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Help with identification on some older stuff
« on: June 10, 2021, 09:54:08 PM »
A few months ago I was checking out some antique stores and some thrift shops. One store took my contact info and I'm going tomorrow to see first hand what he's come across.

The owner described one "BB" gun that's stamped 1924 by Crosman. I believe that is a 101?

He said the others were older Daisy's. I am not sure what's in the photo and any comments would be appreciated.

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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2021, 10:14:43 PM »
looks like a model 98 golden eagle, model 95 or 96, and maybe a 101
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2021, 10:16:07 PM »
I can't see what's in the back, but the camo looks to be a grizzly
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2021, 10:28:36 PM »
Thanks John and I believe you are right on the golden eagle. After you gave me the lead I checked out model 98 eagle. Daz it! Thanks.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 10:34:51 PM »
I think the other gun in the front could be a model 99 with the better sights
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2021, 10:36:00 PM »
The 98 may be a Plymouth gun
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2021, 10:51:49 PM »
The 98 may be a Plymouth gun

Interesting... Thx
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2021, 10:55:09 PM »
That's a Crosman 102! Like a 101 but it's a repeater. Jump on it.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2021, 11:00:08 PM »
That's a Crosman 102! Like a 101 but it's a repeater. Jump on it.

Very cool. I'm going to bring it home if things go my way. I'll be fair if it checks out.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2021, 01:27:44 AM »
Pellet Fun,

The only one I recognize is the Crosman, it as a 102 .22 caliber repeater rifle derived from the 101 design and patent approved for the 101 design in 1924. The markings on the loading mechanism indicate this and the fact other patents were pending, presumably for the loading mechanisms design. The 102 model came along in 1929, the early versions such as mine had hand checking on the walnut stock, some also came with checkering on the forearm.

This 102 is one not to pass on as it has some very unique features starting with the rubber cocking lever making it the variant known as a “Silent” or “click less”, from the pictures the rubber looks to be in good shape but time has most likely hardened  the rubber and it will be just as noisy as the wood, Armoural and sunshine may soften it a little.

What is great and very rare is it appears the operation/warning label may be fully intact (Gold Diamond on cocking arm). As for dating purposes the “Silent/Clickless” first appeared in Crosman production in 1939 and looking at the sliding pellet loading block it appears to be made of steel making it a pre-war model. Post war versions used brass for the pellet loading block. It also has a walnut butt sock. I cannot tell by the pictures if it has the metal butt stock plate any more.

The tube for pellets hold 20 domed pellets or match pellets (Crosman work the best), it is a gravity feed system, pellets that are pointed do not work and will jam the loading mechanism. When you slide the cover back from the tube loading port you will see that the opening will restrict you to the correct pellet designs as well.

If I had to pick just one it would be this one, they are great accurate rifles and easy to reseal or worth paying someone to do that and if done correctly will shoot for another 75 years. As a reminder like the 101, the 102 must be cocked before pumping, if not the air will just exit the compression tube via the barrel.

Again, Awesome find, get it you won’t be disappointed, for reference purpose I attached a few pictures of my 1929/30 Crosman 102 Ii inherited from one of my great Uncles.

One of the best sources if not the best is Rick at Precision Pellets, great parts and a wealth of knowledge on these timeless beauties.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2021, 08:02:17 AM »
Thanks John, Jon and Elroy. It takes a lot to get me excited but I'm really looking forward to owning the 102!

I'll probably buy the others since the guy only started adding BB and Pellet guns to his inventory list because I asked him too when he came across them. He and his wife travel and find collectibles for their small retail shop.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2021, 08:35:30 AM »
One of the best sources if not the best is Rick at Precision Pellets, great parts and a wealth of knowledge on these timeless beauties.
I recommend Rick too. He has a lot of new/old stock parts for vintage Crosman. Without Rick's help my 101 and 118 wouldn't be shooting today.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2021, 08:47:16 AM »
Yep Yep Yep.... jump on the 102 and contact Rick for whatever you need. Nice find.
Don't show too much excitement when you meet the guy. Point out the fact of condition and how hard it may be to get parts....  8)
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2021, 09:25:53 AM »
One of the best sources if not the best is Rick at Precision Pellets, great parts and a wealth of knowledge on these timeless beauties.
I recommend Rick too. He has a lot of new/old stock parts for vintage Crosman. Without Rick's help my 101 and 118 wouldn't be shooting today.

Yes! Good to know.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2021, 09:38:01 AM »
Yep Yep Yep.... jump on the 102 and contact Rick for whatever you need. Nice find.
Don't show too much excitement when you meet the guy. Point out the fact of condition and how hard it may be to get parts....  8)

Your right about keeping my cool. The owner is a powder burner only and wants to make money but he knows absolutely nothing about airguns. One of the things I promised him when he and his wife said they'd help was to give them some knowledge. There is a risk here, but I'd of never had this chance otherwise.

The 102 looks like it has been in somebody's garage (paint) and probably needs a thorough going through. This should help on the deal. I actually don't mind the paint because it definitely cuts the value.

I really do enjoy the bargaining process. Can you say bundle? Haha.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2021, 12:47:26 PM »
Some times the the back and forth in the sale is more fun than the sale itself.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2021, 06:20:58 PM »
That 102 appears to have an add-on part on the left side of the receiver.  Looks to be associated with the rear sight, though the original sight seems to be present.
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Re: Help with identification on some older stuff
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2021, 08:54:17 PM »
What someone did was to form a shield around the sight. It has been soldered onto the block assembly so I think it's best to leave it on. It looks like brass and was well formed.
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Sheridan Silver Streak .20 - 1972 Vintage
Sumatra 2500 Carbine .25- Neil Clague pickle
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RWS Diana 45 West Gemany .177 (Oct 88 Leather seal)
Benjamin Trail NP .22