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Weihrauch HW90 .25
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Anyone here have a Weihrauch HW90 .25cal?
Opinions on this rifle in 25 , how’s the accuracy and what type chrony numbers are you getting ?
Was considering this model in 22 but the 25 intrigued me.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 08, 2021, 11:34:26 PM »
Chrono numbers
http://www.straightshooters.com/weihrauch-hw90-.25-beech.html
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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Is the HW90 a hard gun to cock?
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 01:27:11 AM »
PA's page - Cocking Effort 46 lbs
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/weihrauch-hw90-breakbarrel-air-rifle?m=2358
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 06:15:28 AM »
.25cal is for PCP guns! >25cal is very under powered in spring 0r gas spring guns, unless u have a special use for something like this I would look at something else JMO, I had a Beeman Kodiak same gun as the Webley Patriot, in .25cal that shot 30ftlbs with the 20gn FTT's, sure it was fun to shoot, accuracy was decent out to 40yds but I didn't see the need for such a rifle when my .22cal 460 or 48 or 350mag would do the task only better! .25cal pellets are expensive and the HW90 is a heavy gun and heavy cocking effort and the rifle is not cheep either, These are just my thoughts on these guns in .25cal, I have had a few rifles in this caliber, I hear folks cry about the .22cal being loopy!!!! you will learn what loopy is with a .25cal LOL!!!
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 07:38:39 AM »
With gasrams, the (peak) cocking force is only one part of the story. A "46 lbs." HW90 will be much more difficult to cock than a similar-spec spring coil gun. I'm a pretty strong guy, but I never could get to grips with the gut-busting force-draw curve of the gasrams.
With regards to velocity and loopiness, it is so very much a personal thing. I used to shoot exclusively with a mid-power Gamo 440 .22 cal, that spat out Exacts at around 670 fps. After truly learning that setup, I could score hits at ranges from three feet to 55 yards with iron sights, without breaking a sweat.
Most of the .25 cal springers on offer shoot at least as fast as the Gamo above. They have equally-loopy, or flatter trajectories than it had. Therefore, they are equally easy, or easier to shoot at long distances. Caliber doesn't make for loopy trajectories, lack of velocity does.
Years back, a member called UK Kiwi reported his adventures here with a then-brand new .25 cal D48. After getting the gun and sighting it in, he would routinely kill game at up to 60 meters (66 yards) with the "slow & loopy" .25 cal.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 09:22:36 AM »
Quote from: DoggMann on May 09, 2021, 01:14:28 AM
Is the HW90 a hard gun to cock?
On full gasram pressure, yes they are. You might want to contemplate the HW80 from that perspective.
Personally I think the HW90 will do better in .22 or in .25 can do as well, but then up to 30yrds.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 09:51:13 AM »
I have a Hatsan 135 carnivore ! The HW90 cant be as bad as that beast!
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 11:05:38 AM »
All of the above responses relating to the efficiency and trajectory of a .25 pellet through a springer reflect my own experience. Another potential issue is the dearth of lighter weight .25 pellets appropriate for a springer as opposed to the heavyweights used in pcps.
On the other hand, the HW 90 is a great platform that will last so long that your grandchildren will be able to shoot it. No tuning necessary. Ready to go out of the box with fine build quality. Yes, they are set up at the factory for high velocity and cocking effort. But it is a simple matter to let out a little air from the THeoben designed system to tame it down to a pleasant and accurate everyday rifle.
Get one in .22 and you will be a happy guy. JMO.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 03:14:40 PM »
I don't know anything about the HW90 or other gas spring rifles but I do own a .25 cal piston spring rifle a D-52.
Since I got it I have been playing with different springs looking to get the most out of the power plant which I have been told is under size for the size and weight for the .25 pellet.
This rifle will shoot 1/2" 10 shot groups at 15yds with two different pellets I've tried do far.
Since I just changed the spring I haven't ran any pellets across the chrony yet so I don't know what velocity or FPE it will develop.
The word loopy keeps coming up with anything larger than .177 with the exception of .20.
I sighted the rifle in at 15yds and then moved the target back to 35yds to see what it would do without adjusting the scope. The pellets were AA Diablo 25.4gr and at 35yds they were 3/4" high on a 1/2" center for 10 shots in a 5-10mph gusting right to left cross wind and rain showers. When the I managed to catch the wind when the gusts were low it would still print a 1/2" group but there were left fliers outside that I would contribute to the wind but even so the group only opened to 3/4" .
When I get so decent weather I will get some chrony numbers and try to find where the poi starts dropping off.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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Zeroing at 15yrds is why its shooting hi at 35yrds, the pellet has not stopped climbing to its arch point for its velocity, you zero the rifle @30yds you will get the opposite result! I had a .25cal 48 that shot 685fps with H&N FTT's 20gn pellets, if I shot the rifle on a 90deg level plain it took 3mils of hold over to shoot out to 75yds, but if you change your poa to say 45deg up angle and shoot the same distance you will find you will not even come close to hitting anything! I took this same rifle on the same day yrs ago mind you and this is what I found out about how loopy this caliber is! this rifle was zeroed @30yds! as said with a level shooting plain it took 3mils of hold over to shoot 75yds, I was shooting G-Hogs that day, a bird fly's and lands on a wire about the same distance away at a 45deg up angle, so I thought why not? so I took several shots at this birds using the same hold over at this bird I never saw the pellet even getting close to the bird thu the scope, didn't see the pellet at all! so I said what the He!! I put the straight cross hair on the bird pulled the trigger and it fell like a stone! that told me the angle of the shot with the pellet weight and velocity shows how much arch this combination has from the muzzle at that distance at that angle! none of the other common calibers do that! that's how much flatter they shoot with normal pellet weights! LOOPY that's what you'll get with a .25cal spring gun or gas spring gun! AN old tuner friend of mine out of Michigan told me yrs ago 25cal 25yds! in guns like this, I didn't listen I had to learn the hard way as usual! if 25 to 40yds is all u need go for it if you a long range shooter like me? its a no go!!! my extra 2ct
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 09:23:23 PM »
I read the numbers Straight Shooters put up for the 90 in .25 with different pellets and unless you spend the $100ish it will take to get the pump and fittings to tinker with the ram, the 90 is at best an 18-22ish fpe rifle depending on what pellets you use and will shoot well in it. Running the JSB 25.39's through a calculator, you might get 570-580 fps. I have a Hatsan 95, 87QE, a couple of Edges and an AirTact all in .25 that shoot those numbers and accurate out to 30 yards, after that, start doping for the drop because they will be. I bought mine to be 30 yard pest hammers and for that they work quite well but I never shoot them past that 30 yards.
When or if I need more power, I have a couple PCP's in .25, one of which is crazy easy to fill with a hand pump, gets me double that power with no recoil and not a scope killer and I spent less than $700 (which is what it will cost you for the HW90, pump and fittings to tinker) for the whole package of PCP, scope, rings and pump, plus a lot of pellets...lol.
If you want the novelty of an HW90 in .25 by all means go for it, but I don't think you're going to get the kind of power you're hoping for out of it.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 09:49:37 PM »
What PCP do you have that's super easy to fill with a hand pump??
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 09, 2021, 10:51:48 PM »
I had a Hatsan Flash in .22 I sold awhile back but still have a Hatsan Flashpup in .25. Both are/were pretty easy even with a screwy shoulder to pump up. I get something like 18 shots before it drops under 800 fps which even then is still 36fpe and another 12 before it drops under 30fpe at which point I refill. There's others, poke around the PCP/Darkside Gate.
Don't get me wrong, I like .25 break barrels and own a few, but they're a short range novelty and although one I enjoy, not one I'd spend close to $600 just to get the rifle. Add a scope and mount that will hopefully hold up to that recoil and last and you're probably looking at $850-$900. Add the pump and fittings to tinker with that Theoben gas piston and you're looking at $950-$1000. PCP's are just easier pretty much every which way to get that bigger power out of if it's what you're after.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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May 10, 2021, 05:46:07 PM »
Steve P has givin you some good advice you should heed it!
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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June 03, 2021, 10:19:14 AM »
on the subject of HW90
Does anyone here have experience to share shooting heavy .177 diablos (ex. Barracudas / Exact heavy at 850fps +) from a HW90?
How accurate was it out past 55-60 yards?
Would you choose another (springer (gasram)) platform instead for "long range" target shooting and the occasional rabbit?
(I do have a pcp in .177 but would like a "springer" to match)
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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It is curious how in a Springer forum people urge others interested in .25 cal Springers to go PCP. It is funny how the .25 cal Springer is slanted as a novelty item. It is remarkable how any and all testimonies by seasoned airgunners using .25 cal Springers to hunt succesfully at EVERY proper airgun hunting distance are bypassed as if not there. It is hilarious how some people have the idea that 20 - 30 fpe Springers are impossible to shoot accurately and effectively.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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Oh boy...
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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June 03, 2021, 04:03:25 PM »
No offense at all...
You sure can shoot .25 accurately and effectively with a springer/gasram airgun. Heck I even still fancy to add a .25 and maybe a .30 to the collection. As long as there are mill dots and you know your pellet trajectory... you can even shoot a .45 springer/gasram !
The big question is... Besides it is cool and fun... Does a .25 springer/gasram add any value over a .22 ? And the simple answer is "no".
.25 really starts to shine with PCP power.
But agree, you don't have to hold back on .25 for a springer/gasram because it is that caliber.
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Re: Weihrauch HW90 .25
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June 03, 2021, 04:29:40 PM »
IMO if your that interested in a .25cal just to try and play with? Air Force International sells the Cometa Model94 in .25cal for less then $200 bucks! these are very good rifles for the money!!! and will shoot a 20gn pellet some where around 600 to 650fps, which will get you about 50yds pretty easily with a mildot scope, just sayin! I would not personally spend the money for a HW90 in this caliber for no more velocity then its going to produce plus the fact its a 10lb rifle! YMMV JMO
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