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Hobbyman2007
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Any prism sight users
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I’m looking for a hunting optic that I can use from 5 yards to 50 on a PCP rifle and looking to get a second prism sight. I had one ( Burris AR-332) mounted on an Air speed but the height above the action just didn’t work so it got moved onto one of my powder burners. Now I’m in the market for either a 3x or higher mag prism sight. I’m looking hard at the Vortex Spitfire 3x because it’s got two height adjustments . Anything else out there I should have a look at ?
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January 03, 2021, 12:22:01 AM »
Here is one that I am considering.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/primary-arms-5x36-gen-iii-compact-prism-scope.html
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January 03, 2021, 10:10:41 AM »
On the low end, but the price is good and I have seen some good reviews:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BDC-Reticle-3-5X30-Ultra-Compact-Prismatic-Red-Blue-Green-Fixed-Power-Scope/222817524879?hash=item33e0f59c8f:g:u~gAAOSwahFfFhka
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January 03, 2021, 12:30:27 PM »
Both are good alternatives , but because of ITAR . There isn’t any shipping to Canada. My only other option is AliExpress for the shipping . Keep them coming , I’m sure there are others I’ve missed .
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January 05, 2021, 06:48:28 AM »
https://www.bushnell.com/on/demandware.static/Sites-HuntShootAccessories-Site/Library-Sites-HuntShootAccessoriesSharedLibrary/-/productPdfFiles/bushnellPdf/Product%20Manuals%20PDF's/Red%20Dots/AR750010/Bushnell_AcceleratePrismSight_InstManual_1L_AR750010.pdf
Well I found one. Checks all the boxes and actually is the only one I could find with a Mil dot reticle. I bought it used and should be here in a week or so. It’s also 4x which should be just about perfect for hunting and the odd time paper punching. This is a discontinued product with only a few reviews . Hope it’s as good as I’m hoping for.
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January 05, 2021, 11:42:56 AM »
That looks like it could be good Denis..!
Lucky to find one used in Canada; how much was it?
I assume it's a Picatinny mount; how much does it weigh?
I'm still planning on getting an MTC Atom, but if your experience is good with the Bushnell, I'll try to track one down.
Thanks for the Follow Up.
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Re: Any prism sight users
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January 05, 2021, 12:49:29 PM »
Jim , I was lucky to find one used. I paid 300$ shipped and it looks to be in great condition. I did look at the MTC atom also but the very short eye relief didn’t look too appealing for what I need . I do think this one is on the heavy side at 1.5 lbs ( don’t quote me on that) but the long eye relief and mil dot “based” reticle sold me on it. I’ll post my findings once I get it.
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January 24, 2021, 09:01:23 AM »
Well I received the Bushnell and mounted it to the Evanix Air speed. After a quick sight in . I was stacking pellets out to 30 yards. I do have one complaint with this optic. The reticle is a little thick and with the numbers etched , it’s a little cluttered still manageable and good sight picture. I would recommend one if it was bought for a good price . The glass is clear enough for the price I paid and would put it in the same category as a UTG . The backlight is real bright on the high setting and just barely visible on the lowest which again I like , for low light situations and bright enough for bright sunny days. All in all I’m happy with it. It might end up on a powder burner though and replace it with a fixed power 10x discovery scope.
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January 24, 2021, 10:19:18 AM »
Glad you're happy with the Bushnell Denis..!
Did you put it on a scale to see if it was indeed 1.5 pounds heavy..?
(Of the "pick 2" options from Good, Light, Cheap; I'm still looking for Good and Light...)
Thanks for the follow-up.
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Re: Any prism sight users
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January 24, 2021, 07:55:38 PM »
I didn’t put it on a scale but I can tell you it’s heavier than it looks. It’s lighter than a high power scope that’s for sure.
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I’m bringing this one back from the dead. There’s just something I like about these prism sights. Easy to use like a red dot but have low magnification and an etched reticle. I’m now onto my third . I’ve just ordered a used Vector Calypos 3x 32 . The reticle looks to be very close to the Burris and has an advertised weight of just over 15oz. My Burris 3x32 AR is out for warranty repairs as I found the reticle was canted not a big deal as it sits on a PB that doesn’t get used very often . The second is the Bushnell 4x , that has also been mounted to a PB for now but will shortly be switched out for a red dot on a PP750 . This third will be mounted to a newly acquired Aselkon MX6 in .25 that will be used for close range ( 30 yards max ) small game hunting. So far they I find them to be a good match to our air rifles. Sure I could get a compact scope like the bug buster with illuminated reticle but these prisms are typically shorter and fixed power with very little to no parallax error. I’m keeping my eyes open for the new Vortex . The specs look good except for the 1moa per click adjustment
https://vortexoptics.com/spitfire-hd-gen-ii-3x-prism-scope.html
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Re: Any prism sight users
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May 12, 2021, 12:34:56 AM »
Hey, Denis,
I'm a bit confused. / Trying to understand these red dots with magnification.
I also shoot sub-50 yards pretty much always. I'm considering an MTC SWAT, which you decided against. I like them specifically for the short eye relief & wide FOV. Well, whatever, that's ergonomics.
- but you're considering that new Vortex, which has its parallax setting at 100 yards. How is that possibly going to work at, say 10 yards?
I just don't get it.
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May 12, 2021, 06:28:12 AM »
From the others that I own the parallax error is basically zero. I’ve done the bobble head test from 10 to 40 yards and the POA doesn’t change. Maybe it’s due to the prism that reflects the sight picture? The other nice thing is that the targets aren’t blurry like you would expect at close range. I have an old K-4 that is clear also but only down to about 15 yards , that’s the reason I bought the first Prism .
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Re: Any prism sight users
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May 19, 2021, 07:39:44 AM »
Received the Vector 3x Calypos yesterday and promptly got it mounted to the chosen rifle. So far so good . The illumination works very well with a ten preset brightness setting. The reticle looks to be based on either .223 or 7.62x51 NATO ammunition but I think this will work just fine for airgun use . I just need to find the intersects with the yardage. The glass is very clear from edge to edge and the low end magnification allows for a big sight picture. It came with flip up lens covers and covered windage / elevation turrets. Weight wise it’s about as heavy as the Burris but not the huge as heavy as the Bushnell. The only thing to complain about is the short eye relief with this sort of optic. Without measuring I think this one comes in at just under 2”. Unlike the other two , this one does seem to have some parallax error at 10 yards , nothing major as to be expected with less than 1/2” wander when I move my head . No worse than any non adjustable scope I’ve used. These prism sights aren’t perfect but with the etched reticles I don’t have to worry about a red dot with a dead battery. I’d say they are just about perfect for a hunting rig.
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May 19, 2021, 11:04:49 AM »
I sure appreciate you keeping us updated/informed on the quest for a good Prism Optic. The PP750 is such a great pistol, but so hard to get the perfect optic to match its rail configuration.
I replaced the rear sight with the screw-on rail from Airgun Archery Fun and hope this will increase the options for a Good-Lightweight solution.
I am currently experimenting with the Vector Talos...
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August 12, 2021, 09:19:24 AM »
Back on the Prism sights. I’ve been using both the Bushnell and the Vector but on completely different guns. Recently I mounted the Vector on a Leshiy and think it’s the perfect combination. The base on it has two mounting screws but I removed one to get the sight closer to my eye for correct eye relief. So now it only has the one screw holding it down to the mount. It is still very solid and with virtually zero recoil , I don’t thin’ it will be an issue. I really like this in comparison to the Bushnell. The glass is clearer , covered adjusters for wind age and elevation , the lens covers are simple yet work well and the simple reticle works really well out to past 50 . The Vector is the clear winner of the two. The bushnell is mounted on a .22LR ( GSG 16 ) that my wife uses and she can hit what she aims at. She has no complaints but I know where the shortfalls are.
Last on the list is the Burris. I still haven’t got it back from the warrantee department so I don’t really have anything good to say about it at this time. I do know this will more than likely be the last Burris product I buy. We’re talking 5 months now , with no news from them. Even after emails sent for an update. I know BigHun has a 14x IO branded prism and I’m waiting to see how he likes it. I may just splurge on one , or there also the Athlon which looks to be of decent specs .
Anyone with an astigmatism should have a real good look at these type of optics. If you haven’t looked though one , give it a go. They are a real eye opener.
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Re: Any prism sight users
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August 12, 2021, 11:05:33 AM »
I have a Vortex spitfire HD II 5x waiting on the arrival of a Leshiy II. I mounted it on the Matador 2.5 to try it out while waiting. Lite weight, compact and it falls right into view. The parallax throws off the under 20yd clarity. I may have to punt, since I am wanting a tractor gun for field rats, rabbits and snakes.
I have the first gen spitfire 3x as well, but it is on a PB. I might just swap them out to see if the parallax improves.
The etched reticule is a big deal for me. If the battery dies, you can still use it.
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August 12, 2021, 05:28:05 PM »
Dang Carl... I had high hopes for the Vortex Spitfire HD II 5x.
The weight and form factor are very appealing but if everything is blurry under 20 yards I'm screwed.
Like Back_Roads, I have been looking at the Primary Arms 5x version.
It's less expensive, but the larger/longer tube adds .5lbs in weight to 18.5 oz
It lists a very generous 2.5-3" eye relief which should allow some flexibility in mounting but not exactly the compact/lightweight solution I am looking for.
This thing weighs more than my Pard 008 night vision scope..!
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August 30, 2021, 07:37:59 PM »
Back at it again. Got a deal on yet another that I just couldn’t pass up. Once again a completely different model and higher magnification. A primary arms 5x36 gen II . Looking at specs and reviews it should be a cross between the Vector and the Bushnell but higher magnification. The only downside on the deal was that it’s FDE in color. Not a deal breaker but I would have preferred a model in black. So that’s a total of four. When. The Burris comes back from Warranty replacement , it’s going up for sale including the Fastfire III that came with it . That should not only offset the cost but recoup most of the money spent on the last two. I’ll give an update once received.
Here’s the specs on this one
SPECIFICATIONS
Battery TypeCR2032 3V Lithium CoinBrandPrimary ArmsClick Value1/3 MOAEye Relief2.50 in - 3.00 inField View 10018.80 ftIlluminatedIlluminatedMagnification5XManufacturer.Primary ArmsMountM1913 PicatinnyNight Vision CompatibleNon-CompatibleReticleACSS 5.56/5.45/.308Turret FeaturesCapped Turrets, Tool AdjustableTypeFixed MagnificationWeight18.4 Oz
Yes I’m a big fan of these prism sights .
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September 17, 2021, 06:19:11 PM »
Back to the Primary arms Prism. I received the 5x about three weeks ago and was only able to test over the last few days. I mounted it on an Evanix speed in .25 and headed out to my favorite shooting location. This is a step up from the Vector as far as the quality is concerned, tracks well even with the odd 1/3 mil adjustments. Unfortunately this one is not ideal for short range ( 15 yards or less) the parallax is set to 100 yards and anything under 20 gets blurry and even worse inside 15 yards. The reticle is great, the illumination works great and the weight really isn’t too bad. This one is getting moved onto a powder burner. Really too bad , I had high hopes for this one. I may try to adjust the parallax at some point but for now , the Vector optics 3X is still the best of the 4 I’ve tested.
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