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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => The Long Range Club => Topic started by: Captain Paul on June 06, 2021, 11:21:55 AM
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I've got targets set up at 100 and 200 yds that I've been using for .22lr target practice. What would be a low-ish cost air rifle for those distances? I have an ATI Nova Liberty in .22 and a hand pump. I'm thinking getting maybe a Hatsan in .25? Suggestions?
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Might want to explore this https://www.aeaairgunus.com/collections/aea-challenger-series/products/challenger-standard?token=EC-9A916360CP127805T&variant=35470987100318 (https://www.aeaairgunus.com/collections/aea-challenger-series/products/challenger-standard?token=EC-9A916360CP127805T&variant=35470987100318)
IMO Hasan is not a long range option, though some can do it. another brand to look at is Artemis and the rebranded offerings Diana has of them. I have the equivalent of the Outlaw in .25, accurate enough for longer ranges.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/artemis-m11-22-and-25-caliber/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/artemis-m11-22-and-25-caliber/)
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I've taken my Hatsan Flashpup .25 to 100 yards one time and shot a 1.8 inch group with slugs. I've got a lot of trigger time in it, and I'm sure I can do better, but I think there are a lot of guns out there that would be better choice.
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I've got targets set up at 100 and 200 yds that I've been using for .22lr target practice. What would be a low-ish cost air rifle for those distances? I have an ATI Nova Liberty in .22 and a hand pump. I'm thinking getting maybe a Hatsan in .25? Suggestions?
Banker4 aka Stephen shoots his AVS slugs at moa @ 100 yards out of his liberty. Instead of buying a new rifle why not use that money to buy a compressor.
https://avsslugs.com/ (https://avsslugs.com/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhtBgvsz7w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhtBgvsz7w)
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Banker4 aka Stephen shoots his AVS slugs at moa @ 100 yards out of his liberty. Instead of buying a new rifle why not use that money to buy a compressor.
That might not be a bad idea. Yesterday I shot 25 yds bare sights and off hand for the first time and did surprisingly well. Today I decided to push it and shot 80 yds off a bag and still bare sights. Took 5 rounds to get the elevation then it was 9 for 10 in the target. This thing can shoot!
Didn't Banker4 do a bunch of mods to his rifle? I remember watching a video of his. My rifle is bone stock except I polished the trigger a bit.
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He did over the years but if you go to his youtube channel you'll find the first time he tested the liberty. I've done all of the darkcharrisma mods to my liberty as well but that's for power not accuracy. Only thing Stephen did was recrown the barrel to help accuracy which he also covers in one of his vids. He has 20 grain slugs he sells that would work great in a stock liberty. Deburr around the barrel port is also a good thing to do as there might be burrs left over from when Nova vista drilled the barrel port. It will mar up the projectile.
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My first thought was he got a bad Liberty, but from my experience they are slug shooting tac drivers esp. at the low price.
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Mounted a scope and bipod I had from another rifle. We'll see how much better my groups get.
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... and ordered a compressor. ;)
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Enjoy the low effort air, you may shoot alot more , maybe some pellets too ??? LOL
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Enjoy the low effort air, you may shoot alot more , maybe some pellets too ??? LOL
That's the plan! :D
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Banker4 aka Stephen shoots his AVS slugs at moa @ 100 yards out of his liberty. Instead of buying a new rifle why not use that money to buy a compressor.
That might not be a bad idea. Yesterday I shot 25 yds bare sights and off hand for the first time and did surprisingly well. Today I decided to push it and shot 80 yds off a bag and still bare sights. Took 5 rounds to get the elevation then it was 9 for 10 in the target. This thing can shoot!
Didn't Banker4 do a bunch of mods to his rifle? I remember watching a video of his. My rifle is bone stock except I polished the trigger a bit.
The Liberty has been shown to be a accurate long range PCP, also pretty easy to mod.
I don't think Banker did many mods, mainly drilled transfer port, turned up regulator, added shims and then made his own hammer spring adjuster to get some more power. He crowned the barrel but I don't think it made much difference. He made his own wood stocks but I don't think that really made much difference with his groups at 75-100 yards.
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If you have money to spare, get into FX streamline used and get a 22 slug liner. then you are good to go.
But i would not discount the Liberty! AVS puts alot of time into slug making and we all know the Liberty is slug ready. You might just have to buy a bunch to different sized slugs to try out on https://avsslugs.com/
He has 2 Libertys, depends on which one you refer to, some is modded all the way, some is mildly modded.
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If you have money to spare, get into FX streamline used and get a 22 slug liner. then you are good to go.
But i would not discount the Liberty! AVS puts alot of time into slug making and we all know the Liberty is slug ready. You might just have to buy a bunch to different sized slugs to try out...
He has 2 Libertys, depends on which one you refer to, some is modded all the way, some is mildly modded.
Yep, got a couple AVS slug sample packs on order. :}
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I've got targets set up at 100 and 200 yds that I've been using for .22lr target practice. What would be a low-ish cost air rifle for those distances? I have an ATI Nova Liberty in .22 and a hand pump. I'm thinking getting maybe a Hatsan in .25? Suggestions?
While I'm not sure of your own idea of what "low-ish cost" is; I shoot my hundred yard gongs regularly with both my D350, and my D48B. I noticed most replys to your inquiry suggested PCPs, but there are other alternatives, and challenges available if your up to giving springers a try.
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I've got targets set up at 100 and 200 yds that I've been using for .22lr target practice. What would be a low-ish cost air rifle for those distances? I have an ATI Nova Liberty in .22 and a hand pump. I'm thinking getting maybe a Hatsan in .25? Suggestions?
While I'm not sure of your own idea of what "low-ish cost" is; I shoot my hundred yard gongs regularly with both my D350, and my D48B. I noticed most replys to your inquiry suggested PCPs, but there are other alternatives, and challenges available if your up to giving springers a try.
Good point. I started with a CZ break barrel as a kid during the 60's. It was good fun and a real challenge to hit the old hollow tree way back in the woods that stood well above all the other trees. No idea how far it was but it seemed like forever before you'd hear the "thunk" meaning you hit your target. I may get a springer just for fun some day, especially if I see a great deal on something I just can't live without. ;)
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Got a couple sample packs of AVS slugs from Stephen and using the 20 grain slugs and keeping the tank pressure between 4,000 and 3,000 psi I was easily able to do 1 MOA on my 75 yd range. I'll be shooting 100 yds very soon! :D
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Got a couple sample packs of AVS slugs from Stephen and using the 20 grain slugs and keeping the tank pressure between 4,000 and 3,000 psi I was easily able to do 1 MOA on my 75 yd range. I'll be shooting 100 yds very soon! :D
One of these days (before any tuning or mods) when you get to shooting over a Chrony below 3k psi I'd like to know where the rifle falls off the regulator, please.
Emphasis on "one of these days"
No rush!!!
Thanks
Ed
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Got a couple sample packs of AVS slugs from Stephen and using the 20 grain slugs and keeping the tank pressure between 4,000 and 3,000 psi I was easily able to do 1 MOA on my 75 yd range. I'll be shooting 100 yds very soon! :D
One of these days (before any tuning or mods) when you get to shooting over a Chrony below 3k psi I'd like to know where the rifle falls off the regulator, please.
Emphasis on "one of these days"
No rush!!!
Thanks
Ed
Unfortunately I don't have a chrony (although I probably should get one). But yesterday (before my compressor was delivered) I decided I was bored and set up a target at roughly 25-30 yds and shot some JSB 18.1 grain pellets I had. I started at 3,000 psi and continued shooting until it was just under 2,000 psi. After sighting in the scope I continued to shoot a single ragged hold on the bull's eye that could have been covered with a nickel. Not very scientific nor is 25 yds long range, but I think it's further evidence that this Liberty can shoot pretty darn well!
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Got a couple sample packs of AVS slugs from Stephen and using the 20 grain slugs and keeping the tank pressure between 4,000 and 3,000 psi I was easily able to do 1 MOA on my 75 yd range. I'll be shooting 100 yds very soon! :D
One of these days (before any tuning or mods) when you get to shooting over a Chrony below 3k psi I'd like to know where the rifle falls off the regulator, please.
Emphasis on "one of these days"
No rush!!!
Thanks
Ed
Unfortunately I don't have a chrony (although I probably should get one). But yesterday (before my compressor was delivered) I decided I was bored and set up a target at roughly 25-30 yds and shot some JSB 18.1 grain pellets I had. I started at 3,000 psi and continued shooting until it was just under 2,000 psi. After sighting in the scope I continued to shoot a single ragged hold on the bull's eye that could have been covered with a nickel. Not very scientific nor is 25 yds long range, but I think it's further evidence that this Liberty can shoot pretty darn well!
I already had a chronograph for PB load development, but I've found it to be even more useful for airgun tuning. The Caldwell Ballistic Precision isn't very expensive, and it works well.
I also have one of these and it's great because it isn't dependent on an external light source.
https://www.combro.com/ (https://www.combro.com/)
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I've got targets set up at 100 and 200 yds that I've been using for .22lr target practice. What would be a low-ish cost air rifle for those distances? I have an ATI Nova Liberty in .22 and a hand pump. I'm thinking getting maybe a Hatsan in .25? Suggestions?
I have a Hatsan Nova in .25 that does 100+ yrds really well.
Early testing of an AEA .30 says I can do the same but get increased range!
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As of today I've decided I'm going to chase NUHA with my .177 Stormrider and 10.5 CPUMs. It really likes them.
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This is an older thread, but feel it's a very good one. I've just started to shoot longer ranges with airguns (relatively speaking) but have been toying with the idea of having airguns dedicated just for longer range shooting.
I have a few very good springers, but I think 100(+) yards is just outside their practical limits. They can do it, and it's very fun trying long shots with them. I probably won't stop "reaching out" with them either, but there are a few dedicated "long range" airguns I'm in the process of getting together that don't have the challenges that springers/gas rams present. I would like to add, the same challenges (or setbacks) of shooting "piston" guns makes landing shots at distance much sweeter, in my opinion.
To my surprise, the Hatsan BT65 .177 seems like it has very good long range potential with NSA slugs. I managed to get the one I have for ~$300, plus the cost of accessories (extra cylinder, regulator, optics, etc.).
Hopefully soon, I will have a .22 caliber dedicated for long shots. I believe the gun is derived from the Nova Liberty (its not the Avenger). The plan is for a sub $500 total build, including a decent optic that should in theory, do fairly well for a small bore. We'll see how things go...
I'm not totally familiar with the Liberty, but have seen some posts on them. I think the biggest limitations in distance shooting is the type of projectiles used. Of coarse, waiting for the perfect weather is a big part of it too.
Its just amazing how far airguns have come. Entry-level PCP's seem to be getting better and better according to reviews and such. I've dabbled with a few in recent years, but haven't been overly impressed with their performance and build quality in comparison to a decent spring gun (for my preferences/purposes at 10 to 60 yards). When considering 100 yards or better, I now see the attraction to pcp's that so many have, but still have my reservations on what budget/entry level pcp's offer. I can't bring myself to spend $1K+ on a higher end pcp, but one under $300 with fairly bold claims is very tempting ;D ;)
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Here's the monster liberty thread.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.0)
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This is an older thread, but feel it's a very good one. I've just started to shoot longer ranges with airguns (relatively speaking) but have been toying with the idea of having airguns dedicated just for longer range shooting.
I have a few very good springers, but I think 100(+) yards is just outside their practical limits. They can do it, and it's very fun trying long shots with them. I probably won't stop "reaching out" with them either, but there are a few dedicated "long range" airguns I'm in the process of getting together that don't have the challenges that springers/gas rams present. I would like to add, the same challenges (or setbacks) of shooting "piston" guns makes landing shots at distance much sweeter, in my opinion.
To my surprise, the Hatsan BT65 .177 seems like it has very good long range potential with NSA slugs. I managed to get the one I have for ~$300, plus the cost of accessories (extra cylinder, regulator, optics, etc.).
Hopefully soon, I will have a .22 caliber dedicated for long shots. I believe the gun is derived from the Nova Liberty (its not the Avenger). The plan is for a sub $500 total build, including a decent optic that should in theory, do fairly well for a small bore. We'll see how things go...
I'm not totally familiar with the Liberty, but have seen some posts on them. I think the biggest limitations in distance shooting is the type of projectiles used. Of coarse, waiting for the perfect weather is a big part of it too.
Its just amazing how far airguns have come. Entry-level PCP's seem to be getting better and better according to reviews and such. I've dabbled with a few in recent years, but haven't been overly impressed with their performance and build quality in comparison to a decent spring gun (for my preferences/purposes at 10 to 60 yards). When considering 100 yards or better, I now see the attraction to pcp's that so many have, but still have my reservations on what budget/entry level pcp's offer. I can't bring myself to spend $1K+ on a higher end pcp, but one under $300 with fairly bold claims is very tempting ;D ;)
Target shooting? Hunting? Budget? Over the past 12 months I've owned just about every major brand's rifle in the pursuit of long range target shooting: AirForce, FX, Benjamin, Kral, Hatsun, Kalibrgun, AEA...
Of all of them the one that is the best mix of accuracy, trigger and price is my Benjamin Cayden .22. With the hammer spring pretension maxed out it will shoot 22 grain FX Hybrids around 850 fps and sub MOA to 50 yds, 1 MOA to 100 yds, and 1.5 MOA to 150 yds. Pretty amazing performance from a rifle I paid less than $500 for.
Next in line would be the AEA Challenger Pro, also in .22 caliber. The Challenger Pro is a regulated power house and in .22 caliber you have all the power you need for any weight slug. Right now I have mine tuned for 27.5 grain NSA slugs at 980 fps and get 30+ shots per fill. Not bad for a $800 rifle. The AEA's are built like tanks, all metal construction. None of the cheap plastic parts and o-rings you find in the Liberty and later Avenger rifles. The Challenger Pro's Achilles heel is the trigger. It's heavy. Ignore the video reviews claiming it's only 1 lbs, mine is somewhere between 3-5 lbs and not adjustable.
One other point I'd like to pass along is that there's a huge difference when shooting slugs less than 150 yds versus over 150 yds. Both the Cayden and AEA will hit 150 yds easily, but the hold over to hit 200 yds gets pretty extreme when the slug is traveling less than 1,000 fps. If budget is limited, you want to shoot past 150 yds and can live with a heavy trigger, that Challenger Pro would be my recommendation.
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I'm not really into the long distance shooting but I did shoot a starling on March 16th this year that was probably in excess of 80 yards and I'm even thinking closer to 100 yards with my AEA Challenger LS .22 shooting my cast slugs, the gun is very accurate shooting the slugs at the speed of sound, it's an extremely flat shooter too.
(https://i.imgur.com/OpY8IsU.jpg)
I haven't been shooting any of my other .22's since I bought the gun, I like it that much, it's my gun to grab when I head for the state land these days.
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I always seem to forget about those AEA Challengers, but have been eying the Benjamin Cayden and Kratos very closely. At one point I did look into the Challeners, there was a sale on them. Kicking myself now for not remembering AEA products as I hit the "go button" on an Origin recently... The Cayden is still a consideration, but wanted to go very cheap ("budget friendly") with this particular build. Please don't tell me the Challenger is still on sale, as I think they were only a few dollars more than the gun only-Origin :-\
I'm aware of the concerns going with a budget/entry level pcp, but the Origin seemed to have fairly solid reviews for something that runs ~$280. I tossed in a .5" bridge mount raiser ($13) that hopefully clears the magazine and allows the use of a 20MOA compensating rail. I have extra low weaver style scope rings that will keep the optic from being sky-high and instead of going with a cheapo scope, I'll go with a Burris optic on this one. They've been very good for the price, track true and seem to be very clear. When on sale, their lower/mid-range models offer a lot for sub $200 (in my expirence).
There are many offerings that potentially fit the bill and possibly do well enough, just doing this build for fun and to see what happens. ;D
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Just can't beat what the DAR G3 offers for the money.
2 MOA with .25 Kings
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Just can't beat what the DAR G3 offers for the money.
2 MOA with .25 Kings
There's no doubt about that! :D
DAR's seem to be another solid gun at an affordable price. Simply amazing how the performance of budget friendly guns keeps getting better.
As for the folks pushing for 150+ yards with airguns, I'm honestly speechless. I chronied my .177 "slug gun" with it's current set up, and at 785fps there is a lot of drop just at 100 yards. (Its at the absolute minimum regulator and hammer settings) I know there's a big difference between a .177 12.5gr or 15gr slug and heavier slugs of larger caliber with range, but 150-200 yards is really reaching out.
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Just can't beat what the DAR G3 offers for the money.
2 MOA with .25 Kings
There's no doubt about that! :D
DAR's seem to be another solid gun at an affordable price. Simply amazing how the performance of budget friendly guns keeps getting better.
As for the folks pushing for 150+ yards with airguns, I'm honestly speechless. I chronied my .177 "slug gun" with it's current set up, and at 785fps there is a lot of drop just at 100 yards. (Its at the absolute minimum regulator and hammer settings) I know there's a big difference between a .177 12.5gr or 15gr slug and heavier slugs of larger caliber with range, but 150-200 yards is really reaching out.
I simply cant do 200+ without a tilting scope base. I am at the reticle max on my Alpha 6 at 27 power. I would hate to lose that magnification with a 200 yard target.
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What's "Low cost"? .25 cal will have the best BC values, and around 100+ FPE is .22lr territory. Marauder with LW barrel might be a strong option, although a bit lower in power. If/when I buy another PCP it will be a dedicated long range .257 slug gun, probably a .257 Texan. From what I've seen it's putting out power comparable to hotter .22 rimfire loads. I don't think you can do much better for long range subsonic shooting.
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I have really loved my Hatsan Flash. Simple and easy to work with and shoots lights out! I love that you can get into it with just a mere 300$ and build up from there. If you really go into the nitty gritty you have to know what you are doing, but nonetheless a great gun.