GTA
All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: Hobbyman2007 on January 02, 2021, 08:24:26 PM
-
I’m looking for a hunting optic that I can use from 5 yards to 50 on a PCP rifle and looking to get a second prism sight. I had one ( Burris AR-332) mounted on an Air speed but the height above the action just didn’t work so it got moved onto one of my powder burners. Now I’m in the market for either a 3x or higher mag prism sight. I’m looking hard at the Vortex Spitfire 3x because it’s got two height adjustments . Anything else out there I should have a look at ?
-
Here is one that I am considering.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/primary-arms-5x36-gen-iii-compact-prism-scope.html (https://www.opticsplanet.com/primary-arms-5x36-gen-iii-compact-prism-scope.html)
-
On the low end, but the price is good and I have seen some good reviews: https://www.ebay.com/itm/BDC-Reticle-3-5X30-Ultra-Compact-Prismatic-Red-Blue-Green-Fixed-Power-Scope/222817524879?hash=item33e0f59c8f:g:u~gAAOSwahFfFhka (https://www.ebay.com/itm/BDC-Reticle-3-5X30-Ultra-Compact-Prismatic-Red-Blue-Green-Fixed-Power-Scope/222817524879?hash=item33e0f59c8f:g:u~gAAOSwahFfFhka)
-
Both are good alternatives , but because of ITAR . There isn’t any shipping to Canada. My only other option is AliExpress for the shipping . Keep them coming , I’m sure there are others I’ve missed .
-
https://www.bushnell.com/on/demandware.static/Sites-HuntShootAccessories-Site/Library-Sites-HuntShootAccessoriesSharedLibrary/-/productPdfFiles/bushnellPdf/Product%20Manuals%20PDF's/Red%20Dots/AR750010/Bushnell_AcceleratePrismSight_InstManual_1L_AR750010.pdf (https://www.bushnell.com/on/demandware.static/Sites-HuntShootAccessories-Site/Library-Sites-HuntShootAccessoriesSharedLibrary/-/productPdfFiles/bushnellPdf/Product%20Manuals%20PDF's/Red%20Dots/AR750010/Bushnell_AcceleratePrismSight_InstManual_1L_AR750010.pdf)
Well I found one. Checks all the boxes and actually is the only one I could find with a Mil dot reticle. I bought it used and should be here in a week or so. It’s also 4x which should be just about perfect for hunting and the odd time paper punching. This is a discontinued product with only a few reviews . Hope it’s as good as I’m hoping for.
-
That looks like it could be good Denis..!
Lucky to find one used in Canada; how much was it?
I assume it's a Picatinny mount; how much does it weigh?
I'm still planning on getting an MTC Atom, but if your experience is good with the Bushnell, I'll try to track one down.
Thanks for the Follow Up.
-
Jim , I was lucky to find one used. I paid 300$ shipped and it looks to be in great condition. I did look at the MTC atom also but the very short eye relief didn’t look too appealing for what I need . I do think this one is on the heavy side at 1.5 lbs ( don’t quote me on that) but the long eye relief and mil dot “based” reticle sold me on it. I’ll post my findings once I get it.
-
Well I received the Bushnell and mounted it to the Evanix Air speed. After a quick sight in . I was stacking pellets out to 30 yards. I do have one complaint with this optic. The reticle is a little thick and with the numbers etched , it’s a little cluttered still manageable and good sight picture. I would recommend one if it was bought for a good price . The glass is clear enough for the price I paid and would put it in the same category as a UTG . The backlight is real bright on the high setting and just barely visible on the lowest which again I like , for low light situations and bright enough for bright sunny days. All in all I’m happy with it. It might end up on a powder burner though and replace it with a fixed power 10x discovery scope.
-
Glad you're happy with the Bushnell Denis..!
Did you put it on a scale to see if it was indeed 1.5 pounds heavy..?
(Of the "pick 2" options from Good, Light, Cheap; I'm still looking for Good and Light...)
Thanks for the follow-up.
-
I didn’t put it on a scale but I can tell you it’s heavier than it looks. It’s lighter than a high power scope that’s for sure.
-
I’m bringing this one back from the dead. There’s just something I like about these prism sights. Easy to use like a red dot but have low magnification and an etched reticle. I’m now onto my third . I’ve just ordered a used Vector Calypos 3x 32 . The reticle looks to be very close to the Burris and has an advertised weight of just over 15oz. My Burris 3x32 AR is out for warranty repairs as I found the reticle was canted not a big deal as it sits on a PB that doesn’t get used very often . The second is the Bushnell 4x , that has also been mounted to a PB for now but will shortly be switched out for a red dot on a PP750 . This third will be mounted to a newly acquired Aselkon MX6 in .25 that will be used for close range ( 30 yards max ) small game hunting. So far they I find them to be a good match to our air rifles. Sure I could get a compact scope like the bug buster with illuminated reticle but these prisms are typically shorter and fixed power with very little to no parallax error. I’m keeping my eyes open for the new Vortex . The specs look good except for the 1moa per click adjustment
https://vortexoptics.com/spitfire-hd-gen-ii-3x-prism-scope.html
-
Hey, Denis,
I'm a bit confused. / Trying to understand these red dots with magnification.
I also shoot sub-50 yards pretty much always. I'm considering an MTC SWAT, which you decided against. I like them specifically for the short eye relief & wide FOV. Well, whatever, that's ergonomics.
- but you're considering that new Vortex, which has its parallax setting at 100 yards. How is that possibly going to work at, say 10 yards?
I just don't get it.
-
From the others that I own the parallax error is basically zero. I’ve done the bobble head test from 10 to 40 yards and the POA doesn’t change. Maybe it’s due to the prism that reflects the sight picture? The other nice thing is that the targets aren’t blurry like you would expect at close range. I have an old K-4 that is clear also but only down to about 15 yards , that’s the reason I bought the first Prism .
-
Received the Vector 3x Calypos yesterday and promptly got it mounted to the chosen rifle. So far so good . The illumination works very well with a ten preset brightness setting. The reticle looks to be based on either .223 or 7.62x51 NATO ammunition but I think this will work just fine for airgun use . I just need to find the intersects with the yardage. The glass is very clear from edge to edge and the low end magnification allows for a big sight picture. It came with flip up lens covers and covered windage / elevation turrets. Weight wise it’s about as heavy as the Burris but not the huge as heavy as the Bushnell. The only thing to complain about is the short eye relief with this sort of optic. Without measuring I think this one comes in at just under 2”. Unlike the other two , this one does seem to have some parallax error at 10 yards , nothing major as to be expected with less than 1/2” wander when I move my head . No worse than any non adjustable scope I’ve used. These prism sights aren’t perfect but with the etched reticles I don’t have to worry about a red dot with a dead battery. I’d say they are just about perfect for a hunting rig.
-
I sure appreciate you keeping us updated/informed on the quest for a good Prism Optic. The PP750 is such a great pistol, but so hard to get the perfect optic to match its rail configuration.
I replaced the rear sight with the screw-on rail from Airgun Archery Fun and hope this will increase the options for a Good-Lightweight solution.
I am currently experimenting with the Vector Talos...
-
Back on the Prism sights. I’ve been using both the Bushnell and the Vector but on completely different guns. Recently I mounted the Vector on a Leshiy and think it’s the perfect combination. The base on it has two mounting screws but I removed one to get the sight closer to my eye for correct eye relief. So now it only has the one screw holding it down to the mount. It is still very solid and with virtually zero recoil , I don’t thin’ it will be an issue. I really like this in comparison to the Bushnell. The glass is clearer , covered adjusters for wind age and elevation , the lens covers are simple yet work well and the simple reticle works really well out to past 50 . The Vector is the clear winner of the two. The bushnell is mounted on a .22LR ( GSG 16 ) that my wife uses and she can hit what she aims at. She has no complaints but I know where the shortfalls are.
Last on the list is the Burris. I still haven’t got it back from the warrantee department so I don’t really have anything good to say about it at this time. I do know this will more than likely be the last Burris product I buy. We’re talking 5 months now , with no news from them. Even after emails sent for an update. I know BigHun has a 14x IO branded prism and I’m waiting to see how he likes it. I may just splurge on one , or there also the Athlon which looks to be of decent specs .
Anyone with an astigmatism should have a real good look at these type of optics. If you haven’t looked though one , give it a go. They are a real eye opener.
-
I have a Vortex spitfire HD II 5x waiting on the arrival of a Leshiy II. I mounted it on the Matador 2.5 to try it out while waiting. Lite weight, compact and it falls right into view. The parallax throws off the under 20yd clarity. I may have to punt, since I am wanting a tractor gun for field rats, rabbits and snakes.
I have the first gen spitfire 3x as well, but it is on a PB. I might just swap them out to see if the parallax improves.
The etched reticule is a big deal for me. If the battery dies, you can still use it.
-
Dang Carl... I had high hopes for the Vortex Spitfire HD II 5x.
The weight and form factor are very appealing but if everything is blurry under 20 yards I'm screwed.
Like Back_Roads, I have been looking at the Primary Arms 5x version.
It's less expensive, but the larger/longer tube adds .5lbs in weight to 18.5 oz
It lists a very generous 2.5-3" eye relief which should allow some flexibility in mounting but not exactly the compact/lightweight solution I am looking for.
This thing weighs more than my Pard 008 night vision scope..!
-
Back at it again. Got a deal on yet another that I just couldn’t pass up. Once again a completely different model and higher magnification. A primary arms 5x36 gen II . Looking at specs and reviews it should be a cross between the Vector and the Bushnell but higher magnification. The only downside on the deal was that it’s FDE in color. Not a deal breaker but I would have preferred a model in black. So that’s a total of four. When. The Burris comes back from Warranty replacement , it’s going up for sale including the Fastfire III that came with it . That should not only offset the cost but recoup most of the money spent on the last two. I’ll give an update once received.
Here’s the specs on this one
SPECIFICATIONS
Battery TypeCR2032 3V Lithium CoinBrandPrimary ArmsClick Value1/3 MOAEye Relief2.50 in - 3.00 inField View 10018.80 ftIlluminatedIlluminatedMagnification5XManufacturer.Primary ArmsMountM1913 PicatinnyNight Vision CompatibleNon-CompatibleReticleACSS 5.56/5.45/.308Turret FeaturesCapped Turrets, Tool AdjustableTypeFixed MagnificationWeight18.4 Oz
Yes I’m a big fan of these prism sights .
-
Back to the Primary arms Prism. I received the 5x about three weeks ago and was only able to test over the last few days. I mounted it on an Evanix speed in .25 and headed out to my favorite shooting location. This is a step up from the Vector as far as the quality is concerned, tracks well even with the odd 1/3 mil adjustments. Unfortunately this one is not ideal for short range ( 15 yards or less) the parallax is set to 100 yards and anything under 20 gets blurry and even worse inside 15 yards. The reticle is great, the illumination works great and the weight really isn’t too bad. This one is getting moved onto a powder burner. Really too bad , I had high hopes for this one. I may try to adjust the parallax at some point but for now , the Vector optics 3X is still the best of the 4 I’ve tested.
-
Thanks for the Update Denis.
I was cautiously optimistic about the Primary Arms 5x but as I feared, the 100yd Parallax is a deal breaker for me. So you have saved me some cash/time here.
I did receive the Immersive Optics 10x40 by Canada Post/Royal Mail and am looking forward to getting it out and trying it on the DreamTac Compact and PP750. I know you have been patiently waiting for some feedback on that unit in detail and I will supply that shortly.
If it goes well I will get a 5x30 for the PP800 .25 Carbine...
-
I too have the primaryarms 5x prism. Never considered it for the air rifle since the parallax and it sits on a 1 piece gdi mount that sits kinda high. Have you considered the lpvo's. Sure isn't a prism but I've heard alot of good things about em.
-
A week out in the field with the Vector 3x and it performed very well. This was a hunting trip I take every year where the primary game is ruffed grouse. The shots are taken anywhere between 5 and 50 yards and the target is about an inch in diameter ( head shots only ) as I don’t like to spoil any meat. I left the illumination on med power for whole week and it still has plenty of brightness with no sign of letting up. I just can’t say enough good things about this sight. I don’t know the details of how it’s able to be parallax free in comparison to the others I’ve used but the glass is clear from 5 to 100 yards. I’m going to be putting a want add out for another of these sights and the others are going up for sale.
As for the LPVO option, I’ve gone down that road also. I have a 1x4 Athlon that does have a great illuminated reticle but even at 1x the parallax is a problem at airgun ranges. It’s mounted to a 10/22 on a Burris pepr QD mount , if I had the adjustment tool for the objective lens I’d set it to 50 yards but for now it’s going to stay.
-
Glad everything worked out.
-
Instead of starting my own thread, I want to piggy back on this.. :D
I am new airgun user and want to keep things simple. I too shoot between 10-50 yards, max. I have a scope now but hate dealing with all the adjustments, so a fixed power 'scope' is ideal for my situation.
Is there an airgun specific one that has no parallax issues down to 10 yards? I'd prefer a 5x magnification. Since the FOV is (supposedly?) bigger on these vs a regular scope, I see no need to get one smaller.
Edit: I found this one. Any owners?
https://immersive-scopes.co.uk/5x30/ (https://immersive-scopes.co.uk/5x30/)
-
I have a scope now but hate dealing with all the adjustments, so a fixed power 'scope' is ideal for my situation.
Is there an airgun specific one that has no parallax issues down to 10 yards?
There is nothing stopping anyone from using a variable mag scope and leaving it on a particular magnification....
Many airgun scopes can be parallax adjusted down to 10 yards. Even then, they need to have the actual parallax setting track the actual range. Put another way, an airgun or rimfire scope that has parallax fixed at 50 yards will have significant parallax errors at 10 yards. No scope has parallax fixed at 10 yards. Parallax errors at close range will tend to eat up the precision that you think you are gaining with a 5X magnification.
For someone that does not like fiddling with adjustments, there is also the matter of pellet drop compensation between 10 and 50 yards. You can learn to hold over or under, rather than fiddling with the turret. Here, a reticle with a number of hash marks helps. Not one that is so "busy" that it takes longer to find the right mark; but not just a simple +.
If I could get a variable mag scope that has parallax settings down to 10 yards, it would be a 1 to 4X, or 1 to 6X. I would leave it on 1 X. Unfortunately those ranges don't exist with such close parallax settings. Clarity and a lack of distortion seem more important to me than magnification. Especially for shooting offhand. In fact, magnification steals field of view and makes shooting with both eyes open harder.
Magnification is useful for far away targets, from a steady rest. Yes, there are plenty of people that can shoot with 10X scopes offhand. I am not one of them. I do better with open sights offhand than with too much magnification, despite the fact that I battle to focus on the the front sight without reading specs...
-
That's why I was thinking a 5x prism would be the best of all worlds, for my usable range. Good magnification for hunting, and precise enough magnification for FT ranges. But I need people with reviews of products. thanks.
-
OK. I like the compactness of this prismatic scope. It does have parallax adjustment down to 6 yards.
Looking for mention of it on GTA forum, I find this:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=189165.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=189165.0)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.0)
More threads: www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.gatewaytoairguns.org+Immersive+Optics (http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.gatewaytoairguns.org+Immersive+Optics)
There are youtube video reviews, if that helps:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Immersive+Optics+prismatic (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Immersive+Optics+prismatic)
-
For sale on amazon: www.amazon.com/Immersive-Optics-5x24-Mildot-Mounts/dp/B09CSFFY3R (http://www.amazon.com/Immersive-Optics-5x24-Mildot-Mounts/dp/B09CSFFY3R)
Just click on "see all buying options".
WesBob may be cheaper: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156223417#msg156223417 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156223417#msg156223417)
-
Thanks. I appreciate the links, but many of those are from the UK reseller. I'd love some first hand reports of air gun users who've moved from scopes to prism.
-
For sale on amazon: www.amazon.com/Immersive-Optics-5x24-Mildot-Mounts/dp/B09CSFFY3R (http://www.amazon.com/Immersive-Optics-5x24-Mildot-Mounts/dp/B09CSFFY3R)
Just click on "see all buying options".
WesBob may be cheaper: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156223417#msg156223417 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156223417#msg156223417)
The ones from Amazon are in the US, not in the UK—-in reference to Airrob’s UK reference ;D
It says that if I order one I will get in on Oct. 25th (Monday) ;D
-
WesBob is in Canada. He bought the prism scopes from the UK and posted on this forum to sell in the US. WesBob is a known entity. He has al manner of scarce airguns and other products. Here is is site: https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics/
As for reviews that are in the UK. Most "reviews" are just an explanation of the specs - glorified advertising, if you will. Perhaps the product is too new to have many in the hands of airgun users on this site. I will ask WesBob if he has sold to customers on GTA; and to please ask them to provide their impressions on your thread here.
-
Clearly, it does not hurt to ask:
I will ask WesBob if he has sold to customers on GTA; and to please ask them to provide their impressions on your thread here.
Thanks, I'll do that!
I have more on their way, so will have more stock soon.
-
I did receive the Immersive Optics 10x40 by Canada Post/Royal Mail and am looking forward to getting it out and trying it on the DreamTac Compact and PP750. I know you have been patiently waiting for some feedback on that unit in detail and I will supply that shortly.
If it goes well I will get a 5x30 for the PP800 .25 Carbine...
How is this sight? Is the parallax bad at low range?
-
I have a cheap Monstrum prism 5x sight I purchased for around 100 to test the waters, surprisingly they are not affected by parallax like regular scopes, I think because when you get your eye to the right place to see through them it is perfectly aligned to the recital there is no room for error, a head bop will not let you see through the scope very well, but when you have a clear image you are golden.
Plan on getting one from Wes as soon as he list the new inventory.
-
a head bop will not let you see through the scope very well, but when you have a clear image you are golden.
Oh?? I hate that about most scopes. Having to be precisely correct with your eye.
-
a head bop will not let you see through the scope very well, but when you have a clear image you are golden.
Oh?? I hate that about most scopes. Having to be precisely correct with your eye.
The ones Wes sells seem to have more mounting options than the Monstrum I have so it may not be as tricky, but is required with all scopes IMO
-
Oh?? I hate that about most scopes. Having to be precisely correct with your eye.
Isn't the "eyebox" a predictable size: Objective diameter/magnification.
So, 30 mm / 5X = 6 mm.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK381/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK381/)
The normal pupil size in adults varies from 2 to 4 mm in diameter in bright light to 4 to 8 mm in the dark.
You want a larger eyebox, get a larger objective lens scope, with a lower magnification. Or am I missing something?
Understanding Eye Box:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoEjh7LXRM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGoEjh7LXRM)
-
Folks:
Hi! Just wanted to let you guys know that the new shipment arrived of Immersive scopes.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics/
-
I'm lazy today so will just post a link to my initial results https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156239990#msg156239990 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=191946.msg156239990#msg156239990)
-
I have the 10x24 Immersive Optics scope on my Cricket II Tactical and can say that it really exceeds my expectations! I was a bit worried about having such little eye relief (roughly 1/2 inch) on this particular model, but even with wearing eyeglasses, it's not that big of a deal on a PCP. Let me state the obvious - the field of view is massive when looking through this scope.
The optics are super-clear. The clicks feel really good (I wish there were not caps though). The three mounts are all very useful. The long one was needed on my cricket II tactical. Kalibrgun ends the slots in the scope rail about one inch from the rear of the rail.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLX-aFy3bk9kCEJ9xaoaITDb5emAjR7P5PWYYGkNrrG4MpBcCvYp55iaeuijr3YDa6Fs-liJmB7HbebQ9sqccgsLcp-HTmse5xnSF_07zKtUQ7iaxFBuosoD6pLgSocZFAp4mJ9z2Px26bZPQ4l4Ta1_Kw=w1205-h803-no?authuser=0)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLWQkDrLdazVGJtvzCymVUhtc2IbpVpHbHOA7njVGsMXrsofx1Px_qKPqRIiIy5FxXahXu_BvU5bc26lmVOfI8nMbMjYuwl3bNzKliV6fwnXj9I15fLhPPA9nB68fFs-46fcPaSvGTE0SdiomLPwcvc0HQ=w1406-h937-no?authuser=0)
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUdO10JsK3Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUdO10JsK3Y)
-
I know the Immersive Optics company is based in the UK. Does anyone know where the scopes are manufactured?
-
Is 10 X the maximum for prism scopes?
I have not seen any with higher magnification.
-Y
-
Is 10 X the maximum for prism scopes?
I have not seen any with higher magnification.
-Y
IIRC the Immersive Optics is available in a 14X.
-
I know the Immersive Optics company is based in the UK. Does anyone know where the scopes are manufactured?
China :)
-
I know the Immersive Optics company is based in the UK. Does anyone know where the scopes are manufactured?
China :)
Thanks, that's what I thought but wanted to be sure.
-
I have the 10x24 Immersive Optics scope on my Cricket II Tactical and can say that it really exceeds my expectations! I was a bit worried about having such little eye relief (roughly 1/2 inch) on this particular model, but even with wearing eyeglasses, it's not that big of a deal on a PCP. Let me state the obvious - the field of view is massive when looking through this scope.
The optics are super-clear. The clicks feel really good (I wish there were not caps though). The three mounts are all very useful. The long one was needed on my cricket II tactical. Kalibrgun ends the slots in the scope rail about one inch from the rear of the rail.
Hey Matt,
How's that 10x at close range, say 10 yards or less?
I ask because I recently had the 14x50, and had to send it back. It was lovely at 50 yards, but even though it "focuses" to 7, I found it literally unusable at ten. It wasn't just the crazy-thin usable DOF (maybe 1-2") but even when perfectly adjusted, it never seemed crisp. It actually made my brain hurt trying to see what was there. My $99 Bugbuster blows this away at short range.
I'm waiting to hear back from Wes, if the others he has are like this, since there's a slim chance it's just a defective scope.
Still, but I'm not hopeful.
Again, absolutely lovely at 50 yards, so I probably was asking too much from a fixed scope.
I really like the overall concept of these, so I want to try a 10x version, if it's usable for close pesting.
------
As for the rest:
Short eye relief is a bonus for me, since I find it easier to get into the right position quickly.
The FOV is, of course, fantastic.
The (standard MD) reticle is fantastic. Very crisp and doesn’t feel like it’s in the way.
Brightness: VERY good given the .14” exit pupil. I doubt any other 14x50 could ever be better, and I was pleased with it.
Still, it wasn't what I had hoped for. It's not dark, but not bright, either. I'd say that the image I see is just about the same brightness as without the scope. That's fine for daytime shooting, but not ideal for hunting at dusk. For the latter, I’m going to look into really good flashlight options.
Now some negatives:
Parallax / focus adjust: IMO, the knob is way too small / way too stiff, especially considering the very shallow DOF. They need to offer an optional larger wheel. In fact, it should be standard. Actually, if they made the front element cap fit the focus wheel, instead of the wind adjuster, that would solve the problem very elegantly.
I was hoping that the front protector cup could go on this adjuster (in which case I would try to buy a spare, and use that one.) but alas, the focus adjuster is a different size than the windage adjuster.
Turrets: Well, they feel quite nice, and having each click = 1/10th of a mil is fantastic. - but having to remove a cap is awful. Of course, I knew this beforehand, and it’s a decent way to keep the cost down, so OK. But yech …..
These scope should come with a bunch of spare caps, because they are absolutely going to get lost.
Ocular cap: Horrible. It just hangs there, bothering you. Several videos say that many users simply remove it. Well yeah, you will want to. Unfortunately, it is glued to the other piece, so you have to permanently cut it off. The front-element cap system works fine.
-
Hey Allan,
Thanks for that review. I've been considering some of the less expensive prism scopes. I like the idea of lighter weight and much wider FOV. My concerns have been scope placement/adjustment on the rifle. There aren't any "rings" per se to allow forward/backward adjustment, and eye relief seems to be critical. I know some of them say zero eye relief and others vary 2-3" of eye relief. But they are so short to begin with I don't see how they could be adjusted to fit properly, and wonder if its a matter of mount the scope and then having to adjust your eye to the correct position, which probably would not be a satisfactory solution.
There's a gun show this weekend, I may try taking my AEA HP Carbine and see what "fits". Or I may just remove the heavy 4X16 scope and replace with a lighter 2X7 Hammer that I bought many years ago.
-
Is 10 X the maximum for prism scopes?
I have not seen any with higher magnification.
-Y
IIRC the Immersive Optics is available in a 14X.
Is that the maximum magnification? Does the inherent design of the lenses make high powered, 24X and up, not doable?
-Y
-
Is 10 X the maximum for prism scopes?
I have not seen any with higher magnification.
-Y
IIRC the Immersive Optics is available in a 14X.
Is that the maximum magnification? Does the inherent design of the lenses make high powered, 24X and up, not doable?
-Y
From my limited research most are in the 1-4X some recent models are 5x. Immersive is the only one I have seen at 10X and 14X.
-
From my limited research most are in the 1-4X some recent models are 5x. Immersive is the only one I have seen at 10X and 14X.
The MTC Swat is available in 12x 50mm.
It's a MUCH more expensive option, and made in the same factory as Immersive Optics with 90% the same components.
It therefore seems a bit overpriced, and I've been hoping that they lower their prices, now that Immersive Optics is becaoming so well established.
Sadly, the 12x50 is still $750.
Of course, you DO get a few nicer features: Flip-up, magnetic lens covers. Fast-adjust turrets. And one of them has an optional large parallax wheel.
So.... almost worth the extra cost, though not quite.
----------------------------------
What I'd really love to see at this point is a short eye relief, (for a wide FOV) VARIABLE scope, with a very short minimum parallax adjustment.
It's probably coming soon, from somewhere.
Also, while I'm dreaming, these scopes (designed specifically for pcp rifles, and extra-specially for bullpups since they make it easier to mount a scope near the back) would have the parallax adjuster on the RIGHT. I dunno about you, but when I off-hand shoot my bullpup, if I have to make a right-hand focus adjustment, I can't hold the scope on-target. It's your LEFT hand that's close to the center of gravity.
-
I did not see the dedal stalker mentioned.
Expensive but 6x prism with 3.5 inch eye relief and parallax to 5 meters. I believe dedal worked with edgun on this.
I have been using it on my hw50 and it’s been really fun to shoot. Very very clear, and large eyebox. I think edgun west has in stock.
https://dedalnvoptics.com/en/catalog/daytime-riflescopes/red-dot-sights/stalker/
-
I did not see the dedal stalker mentioned.
Expensive but 6x prism with 3.5 inch eye relief and parallax to 5 meters. I believe dedal worked with edgun on this.
I have been using it on my hw50 and it’s been really fun to shoot. Very very clear, and large eyebox. I think edgun west has in stock.
https://dedalnvoptics.com/en/catalog/daytime-riflescopes/red-dot-sights/stalker/
Do we really need to support the Russian Arms industry? >:(
-Y
-
I have the 10x24 Immersive Optics scope on my Cricket II Tactical and can say that it really exceeds my expectations! I was a bit worried about having such little eye relief (roughly 1/2 inch) on this particular model, but even with wearing eyeglasses, it's not that big of a deal on a PCP. Let me state the obvious - the field of view is massive when looking through this scope.
The optics are super-clear. The clicks feel really good (I wish there were not caps though). The three mounts are all very useful. The long one was needed on my cricket II tactical. Kalibrgun ends the slots in the scope rail about one inch from the rear of the rail.
Hey Matt,
How's that 10x at close range, say 10 yards or less?
I ask because I recently had the 14x50, and had to send it back. It was lovely at 50 yards, but even though it "focuses" to 7, I found it literally unusable at ten. It wasn't just the crazy-thin usable DOF (maybe 1-2") but even when perfectly adjusted, it never seemed crisp. It actually made my brain hurt trying to see what was there. My $99 Bugbuster blows this away at short range.
I'm waiting to hear back from Wes, if the others he has are like this, since there's a slim chance it's just a defective scope.
Still, but I'm not hopeful.
Again, absolutely lovely at 50 yards, so I probably was asking too much from a fixed scope.
I really like the overall concept of these, so I want to try a 10x version, if it's usable for close pesting.
Sorry for being AWOL here. Been traveling visiting family. I have tested close adjustment, but admit that I have not shot it much at close range.
I did put it on the C2t and have it with me on this trip. :-) I might be able to shoot today if the weather cooperates. I'll see if I can give some specific feedback on this!
I got a used 14x50 and can say it has a different feel from the 10x40 and the x24.
I probably mentioned this already, but the 10x40 is my favorite of the 3 IO scopes I have
... more later on this 👍
-
I did not see the dedal stalker mentioned.
Expensive but 6x prism with 3.5 inch eye relief and parallax to 5 meters. I believe dedal worked with edgun on this.
I have been using it on my hw50 and it’s been really fun to shoot. Very very clear, and large eyebox. I think edgun west has in stock.
https://dedalnvoptics.com/en/catalog/daytime-riflescopes/red-dot-sights/stalker/
Do we really need to support the Russian Arms industry? >:(
-Y
If we want to make purchases based off of politics and moral compass, I would imagine buying clothes/shoes made from children, or products from China who have active concentration camps would be a better place to start boycotting
-
I did not see the dedal stalker mentioned.
Expensive but 6x prism with 3.5 inch eye relief and parallax to 5 meters. I believe dedal worked with edgun on this.
I have been using it on my hw50 and it’s been really fun to shoot. Very very clear, and large eyebox. I think edgun west has in stock.
https://dedalnvoptics.com/en/catalog/daytime-riflescopes/red-dot-sights/stalker/
Do we really need to support the Russian Arms industry? >:(
-Y
If we want to make purchases based off of politics and moral compass, I would imagine buying clothes/shoes made from children, or products from China who have active concentration camps would be a better place to start boycotting
Ageed, that is why I hardly ever buy anything from AMAZON. ;D
-Y
-
I did not see the dedal stalker mentioned.
Expensive but 6x prism with 3.5 inch eye relief and parallax to 5 meters. I believe dedal worked with edgun on this.
I have been using it on my hw50 and it’s been really fun to shoot. Very very clear, and large eyebox. I think edgun west has in stock.
https://dedalnvoptics.com/en/catalog/daytime-riflescopes/red-dot-sights/stalker/
Do we really need to support the Russian Arms industry? >:(
-Y
If we want to make purchases based off of politics and moral compass, I would imagine buying clothes/shoes made from children, or products from China who have active concentration camps would be a better place to start boycotting
Ageed, that is why I hardly ever buy anything from AMAZON. ;D
-Y
Well maybe I should get off of my high horse and follow suit.
-
I'm using the Athlon Optics TSP3 on my Marauder SAM, pretty good overall. Super clear lens, sharp reticle. The reticle is a upside-down horseshoe with 1 moa dot which is smaller than what the picture shows, good enough for plinking 2" spinners from 20 yards. Only complaint is its super heavy, weighing at about one lb!!
-
I have tested close adjustment, but admit that I have not shot it much at close range.
I got a used 14x50 and can say it has a different feel from the 10x40 and the x24.
I probably mentioned this already, but the 10x40 is my favorite of the 3 IO scopes I have
... more later on this 👍
Hey, Matt.
Any update on my original question?
I'm still without a nice scope. Very frustrating.
Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHS1qdcOqc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHS1qdcOqc4)
He's using the 10x40, and says it gets blurry when closer than 12 yards, and surprisingly, when FARTHER than 45 yards ! Your input is badly needed here.
I'm thinking that , unless I want to deal with an additional offset iron sight or red dot, I need to stick with a 10x24 or smaller fixed, which is less than ideal.
-
Hi Allan,
Sorry for taking so long in replying here. I just did a quick test where I found some objects at the very near end of the focusing range and took some pics through the scope. I measured this at 17.5 feet so just under 6 yards. It's pretty darn clear! This is from the 10x40 IO scope.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bvhwb17nC3N3Src58
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8IGWFeZfGRJlQuE9clnBGixp7H-mngFNBeTIsdRqTg9wzKn6bW6k56HKgqjZsIRH40Vu019R_0FhlMP7cwFGM43GmzRsTFNDNHQ2Bmb6ymI2vNeJsWujxZKqGGzXUPv118C_t_3V2wbh318UiiFPp_PmXw6jqUJUDrZw5cvnOmk0qUTd-0pWPaTOPBzYtGLNhuI_1paJzlbOsUrAmj7TQfIOzWkATALthrfHFCYDpO1KhqdvoaczPyvKn08GsniR-CmBtO13mRuF0GcHXaQakdDuUXcg-fz7S4i9HqGkxaz2LeXfJ9kTllMcbiA4LItXmmD1OFSL3tSMk3TafkYP8kiChWTVcgZmpZcGhHhsIzqpTNRqRCfBW70UBWyFCAtUkydgms010Ag29O_PSdIZpSH1UabUgO0Y1rE6P4UzcZS70r5hSnEZswyjgkGWM9_aQqXFSvVHj0Y2YmtgZc2Ykd1yjPk0R1YP6gPxwxSlvNd9QPYjPB5-ddRtHr9XPGkEol1EDwT4KA13-OYPphy7RFoTfBYGv2lX9zsiiYNH7mbfei0ANkJfI5QlkN7X1sjqsVLPR8a7OvePutHQeI5qv00RGK1P_4Eh75vaIXd1KG6hhUEQr9iZlu5iMRhW5LS7rtC-338OrWyKTz-RlwXENx1Gk-Wug79JoJBp6VnzwO2yTBu89uU8WqnqpaYC5-tZ5HFq1PQPDK2V4BvHw3DWapMz=w1666-h937-no?authuser=0)
And another one:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/i5ri9nU1jhvVAWGh8
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/BTYizKkbGcxVc0jbzGqp6ZvnZZEWEVtxqEqx8Kg_KGzAjZAgDSiUYsNK7D9LYsVjqNw3mVfVryxHHls3xob7LyBFYdMrOXQbN7rnejVoR_8z5iCVwmCI88sZsV85OlLgimGFS8l40PC3ANa5KURWb_bd87Re1KNYyzBLoO-St_MTfHmY3NsD80D95M8ifc2mITZFEcTl7FLGi9GzjkLuP4VwgCTI0piQaSkJhWaN2bOJJ9BJqPyBWqz-D37Dj9HlOXzk7vsoNElnWtc-Rnk_DaC0sW98pHXUTDaeadUT3Iq2z0AQqWEj-5YirkaUB5dFkAGNgxjRKgxpJxhIFHERA39BKVUXxVUcnkG5-I7iSgoNUTEEP5ntF0Bj7UDTJdDSfqPoe0MFBTga7fx3BbqEXw1aZ8ohNztLIZTMH1F8eN-fd5wq96dRvS2kp56oQ2uvjn2MhoGZlEnByfK4AqR4XV--l0GcxYDOps2SEvoXxELYcW3J2lCixDaD7PssyT2v4KRFmX7gyFls7TlE4kvscYKJDjJDgGUY0CNAtpIrJlzAbkAFuf1aUuNlpQiA533wUI1BxkUTqF5Kg_V6UZBs5X8-yHduFMclgFFQUrCRNAErivuGYHKY6E1nN0hne0-gVkaFQEhTgiYtE2BEnnviFdVY-wM9I2uRavmK2PzA1m97smoSAXrG8_fTi-B8ZC1fzdwx4o3QA0kJYAfLvgoAmpdb=w1666-h937-no?authuser=0)
-
Old thread but here's the link to the Monstrum Marksman 3X with 5.5-6" eye relief and a photo of it on my Notos.
Great sight!
-
Old thread but here's the link to the Monstrum Marksman 3X with 5.5-6" eye relief and a photo of it on my Notos.
Great sight!
I have a 5 x version of that, I think it was discontinued due to very limited eye relief, I have to be behind it just right or see nothing LOL