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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Airgun Legislation Actions/Information => Topic started by: LDP on June 07, 2016, 03:13:00 PM
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I need some answers regarding the airgun laws in Illinois.
Can you have a removable ldc legally?
Can you hunt with a removable ldc legally?
Thanks in advance for info
Leland
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No and No.
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No and No.
Thank you Shawn for the reply. I kinda figured that but wanted to be sure.
So can you use an airgun with a permanently attached ldc?
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I'm afraid that there is a lot of misinformation in law enforcement on the laws concerning an ldc. This can lead to you're having to prove your point in a court of law. But this is pretty much everywhere.
It seems that any ldc can be considered erroneously as a pb ldc and thus subject to special permit only. These are strictly prohibited in Illinois while I think they are allowed in Indiana.
I am not a lawyer or anything but I think a marauder or similar air rifle would cause less attention versus a pickle hanging off you air rifle from passers by.
What I can tell you with 100% certainty is that an air rifle in caliber larger than .177 and shooting at a velocity higher than 700 fps is considered a firearm. Any .177 air rifle is considered an air rifle. Shooting a firearm is strictly regulated.
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And I thought the laws were a pain here in the people's republic of California.
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I think you can only legally hunt squirrel or rabbit with a 22lr rifle in a handful of DNR allowed places in Illinois. That's the only rifle allowed. Shotgun, black powder, bow and handgun are allowed in separate seasons.
It's a good thing I don't hunt. ;)
Taso
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I take it this is not the case in the projects. They shot 56 people but only one Gorilla. Gorilla on the news over and over.
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Drop a email to the state attorney general and state police.. I heard they removed the fps part from the .177 law.. Please post your results because the feds do not consider it illegal to have one on a airgun.. Maybe include that in your correspondence with them..
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1345081532 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1345081532)
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From what I have read, it is now an "or" situation, as of last summer.
Illinois state law, Public Act 099-0029, effective 07/10/2015, any airgun that is over .18 caliber OR has a velocity over 700fps, is considered to be a firearm.
Thus, being considered a firearm means that any moderator, removable or fixed, is a no bueno.
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"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile not
exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a maximum
muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;
This is the excerpt from:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=099-0029 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=099-0029)
It was explained to me that the "or" does not force both constraints to apply just one or the other.
So,
"excluding, however: (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter.
And then:
"excluding, however: (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;
So if the caliber is less than .18 it is excluded from being a firearm. If the muzzle velocity is less than 700 fps it is excluded from being a firearm.
Yes, it is confusing.
Taso
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I take it this is not the case in the projects. They shot 56 people but only one Gorilla. Gorilla on the news over and over.
People warring over illicit trade have been shooting up Chicago since before the days of Lucky Luciano, Al Capone, Dutch Schultz and Nucky Thompson. This doesn't have much to do with airgun ldcs...
But did you want fewer people to be shot? Or more gorillas? Your post was kind of ambiguous on that.
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"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile not
exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a maximum
muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;
This is the excerpt from:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=099-0029 (http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=099-0029)
It was explained to me that the "or" does not force both constraints to apply just one or the other.
So,
"excluding, however: (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter.
And then:
"excluding, however: (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;
So if the caliber is less than .18 it is excluded from being a firearm. If the muzzle velocity is less than 700 fps it is excluded from being a firearm.
Yes, it is confusing.
Taso
What I have read, which has been extensive, prior to 7/10/15, it was an and situation, but that law made it an or situation. Where was it explained to you?
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So in Ill you can have a 40 cal shooting a 250gr slug at 699fps and be (not a firearm) yet a .177 at 701fps would be considered one....hmmm
I like the Brits solution better, (FPE) restriction.
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Red,
I read online somewhere or maybe here on GTA. So maybe not the best reference.
I concur that there was originally the "and" and it was recently changed to "or". The previous "and" meant both conditions had to apply to be exempt. The "or" now makes it two ways to be exempt.
I don't mean this at all snarky but I don't have a legislator around to ask, not that all of them would be knowledgeable on the subject. Only the ones that wrote it would know the true meaning.
The exemption needs to be written clearer.
Taso
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So in Ill you can have a 40 cal shooting a 250gr slug at 699fps and be (not a firearm) yet a .177 at 701fps would be considered one....hmmm
I like the Brits solution better, (FPE) restriction.
I like the 2A solution..."shall not be infringed." Just sayin...
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.177 is less than .180 therefore NOT a firearm in Illinois no matter what the fps.
I own a .177 Titan which was limited to 695 fps to comply with the previous law. Crosman had a clearance sale when the law changed allowing the sale of full power .177 air guns without being classified as firearms.
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I like the 2A solution..."shall not be infringed." Just sayin...
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DING DING DING we have a winner!!!!!!
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So in Ill you can have a 40 cal shooting a 250gr slug at 699fps and be (not a firearm) yet a .177 at 701fps would be considered one....hmmm
I like the Brits solution better, (FPE) restriction.
I like the 2A solution..."shall not be infringed." Just sayin...
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