Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
Select Gate
READ GTA FORUM RULES BEFORE POSTING
GTA Forum Help Desk
GTA Announcement Gate
Dealer Area
GRIP
AirgunWeb Airgun Videos
Airgun Repository of Knowledge
Vendors and Vendor Videos
AirGun Expo 2021
Airgun Expo 2022
Contests and Giveaways!!!
Welcome New Members
In Memoriam
GTA Contributing Members
Shot Show Videos
Hajimoto Productions
Airgun Detectives
Air Gun Gate
BB Guns and Such
"Bob and Lloyds Workshop"
American/U.S. Air Gun Gates
European/Asian Air Gun Gates
PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside"
Air Archery
Vintage Air Gun Gate
Air Guns And Related Accessories Review Gates
Hunting Gate
Machine Shop Talk & AG Parts Machining
3D printing and files
Buyer's, Seller's & Trader's Comments
Bargain Gate
Back Room
Target Shooting Discussion Gate
Target Match Rules
Shooting Match Gates
Field Target Gates
The Long Range Club
100 Yard Match
Discussions By States
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
Did you miss your
activation email
?
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
Home
About
Help
Old GTA
Gallery
Search
Stats
Login
Register
Advertise Here
GTA
»
All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General
»
Air Gun Gate
(Moderators:
dk1677
,
GTA-Airgunner
,
Tater
) »
Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
« previous
next »
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Down
Share This!
Author
Topic: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount (Read 9604 times))
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
on:
July 13, 2010, 05:19:37 PM »
I got the Beeman 5039 adjustable one piece mount today. Anyone here have experience using one?
I figure I will take the set up off my B40 Zero the scope in the mirror. Mount all the goods with the new mount and give it a go. My B40 usually take from 1 to 3 shots on pickup to get to zero, and I am not sure if it is gun warm up or scope springs settling in.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
snookman
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #1 on:
July 13, 2010, 05:33:38 PM »
Hows it going brother,
I have never heard of Zeroing a scope in a mirror before, how do you do it.
snookman
Logged
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #2 on:
July 13, 2010, 05:54:35 PM »
Remove the scope from the gun, remove any shades from the objective end, set parallax to max or infinity and zoom to the lowest. Turn on the brightest lights around the mirror (bathroom mirror works good) set the objective end flat against the mirror. When you look in eyepiece you should see 2 sets of cross hairs, one is the actual and the other is the optical reflection, make your turret adjustments until you see only one cross hair, one laying on top of the other. This effectively adjusts both mechanical and optical zero to the same point. Really good way to tell if the scope is busted too, if they can't line up then it has shifted.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
Mug08
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #3 on:
July 13, 2010, 06:22:14 PM »
Now that's something I never heard before. Definately going to give it a try. I have a Hawke adjustable, but it's elevation only. Picked it up for one of the AOA RWS 52's - you know"might be a drooper, might not" . Glad I did, because it was about 10 inches low at 25 yards when I first mounted it. Couple of turns on the screw, and you're right where you're supposed to be. Takes a lot of the frustration out of the process.
Mark
Logged
arathol
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #4 on:
July 13, 2010, 06:28:45 PM »
Thats not zeroing the scope. That is optical centering, nothing to do with zeroing. Optical centering puts the center of the reticle at the center of the tube, and thats where repeatability is best. You do need adjustable mounts to take advantage of optical centering though. Once you have the scope centered, you use the mount adjustments to zero the scope. Since the reticle should be centered in the scope tube, using the mount to zero theoretically should get the scope and bore aligned. If you have the scope optically centered, then adjust for zero using the turret knobs, all you have done is waste your time.
You need to rotate the scope while looking through it also. Thats the only way to tell if the center of the reticle is really at the center of the tube. If it isn't, the center point will orbit around the true center.
Logged
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #5 on:
July 13, 2010, 07:04:49 PM »
I see, thanks for clearing that up.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
Mug08
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #6 on:
July 13, 2010, 07:33:14 PM »
A mixup of terminology - but I knew what you meant. Center your scope as you described, then when you mount it, use the adjusters for elevation and windage to bring you as close as possible to being zeroed.( I think you'd tear you hair out trying to be perfect with the mount adjusters) When you're close - then use the turrets on the scope to be "perfect" .
" Close " to me is about an inch or so at 25 yards.
Mark
Logged
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #7 on:
July 13, 2010, 07:38:34 PM »
Mark for me close at 25 yards is 1/16 of one inch. I hit a 5mm dot with my B26 at 35 yards, took out a housefly at 30yards.
Here is my sight in target from my B26. Took 4 shots 3 are marked the 4th was on top of the third after adjusting the scope.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
Jay
AIN'T THIS A GREAT PLACE TO BE!!!
GTA Senior Contributor
Posts: 2359
"Non Timebo Mala"
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #8 on:
July 13, 2010, 07:55:02 PM »
Shoot I must be old an lazy I just count all the click's across the run of the turret stop's take it back half way on both an call it a day to start to shoot a scope in.
Logged
N.R.A. ENDOWMENT,N.R.A./I.L.A.,G.O.A. LIFE, N.R.A. Instructor For C.C.W.,ALL FIREARM'S & RELOADING /No Free Man Shall Ever Be Debarred The Use Of Arm's (Thomas Jefferson). Sheridan's "52" Silver, "79" Silver, "80" Blue, BAM-51 .22, Benji Mrod #31 .22, Benji Trail NP XL .177/.22, Gamo Whisper .177, Beeman RS2 .177/.22, Crosman 1377 .177, B-3-1 AK .177. FIREARM's Far more than I need NOT as many as I want.(More AG's to come I'm sure).
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #9 on:
July 13, 2010, 08:05:31 PM »
MJ, I may do that before I set it to the mirror just to see what the difference is.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
arathol
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #10 on:
July 13, 2010, 08:36:09 PM »
Counting clicks isn't a reliable way to center. Firstly, running the reticle out to the adjustment limits can do bad things to the mechanism. Second, movement at the outer end of the adjustments can be sticky or irregular in many scopes, even with expensive models. They aren't designed for use at the limits. The reticle movement is best near the center. You may even find that as you approach the limits of adjustment the turrets will click but the reticle doesn't move as much or at all.
Logged
Mug08
Guest
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #11 on:
July 13, 2010, 09:38:07 PM »
I must have misunderstood - I thought your question was about the adjustable mount. Use the mount to zero your centered scope as "close" as possible -THEN use the turrets for final adjustment. This way you're nowhere near the ends of the turret adjustment. If you're going to use the mounts for 1/16th adjustments, you've got a LOT more patience than I have -lol
Mark
Logged
Jay
AIN'T THIS A GREAT PLACE TO BE!!!
GTA Senior Contributor
Posts: 2359
"Non Timebo Mala"
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #12 on:
July 13, 2010, 11:12:56 PM »
DMikeM that would be of interest to me, I learned of the optically centering (ZEROING) mirror trick only lately from my son MichaelM on here an truely have never used it yet, I have alway's done it like I said above,NOW I have no idea if this will damage a scope or not I can only say I've done it that way for oh I'd say 45 or so year's of shooting an I can only say "I" have not ruined a scope that I know of yet doing it,now I don't go heavy handed an just twirl away I take a 10 count with both adj. till I feel some resistance then back across same 10 count pattern while keeping count then just take half an use the 10 count to go to I guess the center of the adjustment's? I wish BookDoc was on here(have not seen his name pop up yet) but he build's an sell's scope's an I'm sure he would know more than me on this.As I said this is just how I'VE done it.
Logged
N.R.A. ENDOWMENT,N.R.A./I.L.A.,G.O.A. LIFE, N.R.A. Instructor For C.C.W.,ALL FIREARM'S & RELOADING /No Free Man Shall Ever Be Debarred The Use Of Arm's (Thomas Jefferson). Sheridan's "52" Silver, "79" Silver, "80" Blue, BAM-51 .22, Benji Mrod #31 .22, Benji Trail NP XL .177/.22, Gamo Whisper .177, Beeman RS2 .177/.22, Crosman 1377 .177, B-3-1 AK .177. FIREARM's Far more than I need NOT as many as I want.(More AG's to come I'm sure).
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #13 on:
July 14, 2010, 02:19:56 AM »
So MJ and the rest. I centered the turrets, which have around 300 clicks each. Then took the scope into the bathroom and did the mirror trick. The turrets needed to be adjusted about 15 clicks each before it was optically centered. mounted up and leveled the scope. Took about 2 dozen shots with the mount to get it to zero but I did not touch the turrets and got the center down to under a half inch at 30 yards. Got about 20 rounds in a group a quarter could cover. At 35 yards I was able to shoot through a small hole in my spinner spoon that the B28 had made. I did this 2 times in a row causing the spoon to just sway a little bit. I will be getting more of these mounts for my other AGs.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
Jay
AIN'T THIS A GREAT PLACE TO BE!!!
GTA Senior Contributor
Posts: 2359
"Non Timebo Mala"
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #14 on:
July 14, 2010, 02:45:50 AM »
Thank's for the info Bro.,I will have too try the mirror method next time an see how I like it,I know my son was showing me but I think the glass of the mirror was to thin an did not let enough of the light come under the edge's for a clear view(we were outside an I brought out a cheapo mirror) your way is most likely faster for sure(but 15 click's ain't to bad,somewhere around 3/8" at 20yd's).An I sure will get that Beeman 5039 if I ever have a weapon with barrel droop or take's alot of adjustment out of the scope.Thank's Again.
Logged
N.R.A. ENDOWMENT,N.R.A./I.L.A.,G.O.A. LIFE, N.R.A. Instructor For C.C.W.,ALL FIREARM'S & RELOADING /No Free Man Shall Ever Be Debarred The Use Of Arm's (Thomas Jefferson). Sheridan's "52" Silver, "79" Silver, "80" Blue, BAM-51 .22, Benji Mrod #31 .22, Benji Trail NP XL .177/.22, Gamo Whisper .177, Beeman RS2 .177/.22, Crosman 1377 .177, B-3-1 AK .177. FIREARM's Far more than I need NOT as many as I want.(More AG's to come I'm sure).
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #15 on:
July 14, 2010, 10:20:06 AM »
MJ, I didn't get this 5039 because of droop. I got it because many of the AG scopes are &^^& and the adjustments don't seem to do as they should. This way I have taken out one set of moving parts by adding a much more precise point of adjustment. I may try changing the scope from the leapers 4-16x50 to the BSA 6-24x40 but the long eye relief really annoys me.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
tjk
Expert
Posts: 1365
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #16 on:
July 14, 2010, 01:26:23 PM »
Mike, Getting back to your initial question on the Beeman/SportsMatch 5039 mount, You've a finely made piece of equiptment,.....and what you paid for it,...it dang well aught to be. I know, I have one myself. The windage adjustments are a snap, but the elevation can be a real PITA because the mount must be removed to properly adjust the elevation setting. What I do to remedy this is to mount an aluminum rod 1" in diameter and let one end extend over the barrel as far as possible. This way I can adjust both axis' in relation to the barrel,...not the reciever. I know it sounds kinda "Rube-Goldberg'ish", but I've had pretty good success with this method. After you get the elevation adjusted, the windage adjustment is a piece of cake.
One thing you'll want to be carefull with is the small allen grub screws used on both sides front and back. Take care not to over tighten an possibly round the heads out.
A good way to adjust these is with two allen wrenches used at the same time. Keep each screw free enough to tighten one side and back out the other at the same time without allowing any free-play,....if that makes any sense. Do the same in the rear adjustments as needed. Once you get the mount where you want it, snug each screw simultaniously until semi-tight. Repeat for the rear screws next, and then go back and give them the torgue of the wrenches as done before. If your not careful and adjust one side too much, you can inadvertantly over-adjust and lose your "centering". Make your adjustments a little at a time!!!
You did mention that your not overly concernned with your rifles minimal barrel droop,......lucky for you too,..but if placed on a rifle with severe droop, one must be very cautious not to over adjust the elevation and lose the grub screws grip on the bottum rail of the mount itself. This is where a barrel adjustment would be needed. HTH's, tjk
Logged
South Carolina.
HW’s & FWB’s & Diana’s oh my!!
DMikeM
Expert
Posts: 1409
Real Name: Mike
Re: Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount
«
Reply #17 on:
July 14, 2010, 02:25:57 PM »
tjk, thanks for the input. I like the tube idea. My adjustments were less than 1/2 turn total on either adjustment. The B40 is a fixed barrel, under lever gun clone of the AA TX200 gun, so droop should not be of concern. Yes these mounts are pricey but worth it. I am considering removing the grub screws and looking for a hardened replacement, maybe even a thumb screw for the front ones.
Logged
RWS Diana M34 Panther .22 Chopped with Vortek Kit and seal (sold)
Xisico BAM B40 .177 Custom Vortek
Xisico BAM B40 .177 (From Felix) (sold)
Xisico XS-B28 .177 Custom Vortek, Chopped with a brake
Xisico XS-B28 .22 Vortek PG2 and seal Chopped
Ruger Air Magnum .177 Monte-Carlo Wood stock Vortek PG2 and seal, Chopped with Brake
6600 ASL
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Go Up
« previous
next »
GTA
»
All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General
»
Air Gun Gate
(Moderators:
dk1677
,
GTA-Airgunner
,
Tater
) »
Sportsmatch/Beeman adjustable scope mount