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Henry Bowman
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TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 16, 2024, 05:37:13 AM »
So after getting my HW97 all set up for Field Target (not that we have that here) I decided to try one of Air Arms TX200 HC in Walnut. As my favorite distributor doesn't carry them I had to special order it from Utah Airguns (great job guys, thx) It arrived and was as beautiful a blueing job as I had been lead to believe. Compared the the 97 no competition.
The stock has some nice figure and will take a nice oil rub to being it out.
I have a Vortek tune kit in my 97 and it shoots 1/4 inch or better groups at 25 yards all day long with many different pellets. I opted to get the TX200 in .22 just to cover my bases.
I know guns need to be checked for screw tightness and broken in before testing.
I mounted my favorite optic a Meopta Optika 6 5-15 power with the BDC reticle in a Sportmatch one piece Dampa mount with scope stop.
Same set up I have on the 97...just to keep things equal.
The trigger on the TX 200 is great...but...the first stage has too much slop, but it breaks clean. The 97 has a Rekord Trigger and frankly I don't see how your gonna beat that unless you get one like my FWB 300S has.
After putting 200 pellets down range trying to get used to the manual of arms on the Gen 3. it's doable, but not as convenient as the 97. Why doesn't Air Arms relieve the left side of the barrel shroud? The anti bear trap is not terrible to get used to from a bench, but it would be a pain in the rear laying prone.
Now for the big issue. until now I could not get the TX200 to shoot a sub 5 inch group at 25 yards!!!!!! I was ready to break it over a tree stump. I went online and saw that someone had suggested to another member to check not the stock screw, but the action retention screw. Sure enough it was 2.5 turns out from snug!!!
Back to the bench and finally some semblance of the accuracy I had heard of. well sort of. I fired 5 different company and 5 different types of pellets...the gun is able now to group about 1 inch at 25 yards with the H&N Sport domed pellets being the only ones that went into what could be called a hole. about the size of a dime. I am elated after the patterns it was throwing, but still no where NEAR the accuracy I am expecting for pert near $1600 bucks and 3 months of waiting.
I will continue to see about break in and try some more pellets, but it sure is fussy and still no where near the accuracy of the 97. Now maybe I need a Tune kit, but was trying to use factory settings.
I won't get rid of her just yet, but it will need to work real hard to get over this first impression.
Anybody here shooting a MK3 in .22 cal HC? and which pellets do you fine the most accurate?
I chronod it today and for the most part each group of 5 shots would have one or two off by 30fps! that sounds odd for a brand new gun. I will keep at it.
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Frank in Fairfield
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 16, 2024, 10:37:06 AM »
200 pellets?
You have a a few more to shoot before you can make an educated decision.
When I bought my MKIII in 2013 I put 750 pellets through the tube the first weekend.
My MKIII now has 50,000 pellets down the tube and it will stack them at 25 yards all day off of the bench which I do not normally do.
The MKIII has a slightly different action then your 97.
If you insist on using it on the bench you must fine the place where the rifle wants to be rested.
Most find that location to be just in front of the trigger guard not up close to the barrel.
Do not rest the stock on a plastic rifle rest.
Or, even a full sandbag.
A nice fluffy towel is better.
The power of your scope has not one iota to do with the accuracy.
Lower the power and shoot the rifle.
This past Wednesday I shot at 25 yards with scope power at 4X, 8X and 16X.
All three groups were a single ragged hole with witnessed by Duckfish here, on the forum.
My .177 TX enjoys 4.52mm pellets so it is possible your TX may like pellets of a different size as well.
Good luck.
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Henry Bowman
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 16, 2024, 07:09:10 PM »
I will try your suggestions on placement for the rest.
As for the optics, I use that scope on a few other springers as well. Its really an incredible piece of gear for the price.
I will shoot it off a different rest as I was using a walnut media filled shooting bag.
It now has about 500 pellets through it.
I'm not saying it wont become something special, just saying it sure ain't there yet!
But after all the hype and price, I am not seeing it.
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Frank in Fairfield
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 16, 2024, 11:11:46 PM »
Put about 100 coats of boiled linseed oil on the stock, too.
My grandfather (I am 78) told me to oil:
Once a day for a week.
Once a week for a month.
Once a month for a year.
Once a year for the rest of your life:
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 17, 2024, 12:55:06 AM »
Tx200 .177 all stock stacks them no problem. Maybe 200 pellets through it
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 17, 2024, 12:17:34 PM »
Clean barrel, Shoot more pellets, try different head sizes, good luck.
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Henry Bowman
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 18, 2024, 06:22:13 AM »
Okay! so I put another 500 pellets through it. at about the 500 mark, the cocking arm became noticeably easier and smoother to cock, which is nice.
I tried 3 more types of pellets, Some H&N Silver Jets, Some JSB Exacts and Crossman Premiers. A very nice result was that the cheapest locally available pellets the Crossmans shot the best so far!
My standard for accuracy is a spinner target at 35 yards that is the size of a dime. If I can hit that 3 for 3 I consider it good enough and set. While the (& can do this with multiple pellets all day long, the TX 200 was able to hit 3 for 3 with the Premiers. Not every time, but its getting there.
I will clean the barrel and keep shooting it, each time it gets better. Turns out open palm on sand bag is its favorite hold method so far.
Frank, I am going to pick up a can of BLO this week and start rubbing it in. Thnak you for the assist!
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Tom1340
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 19, 2024, 12:37:27 AM »
Henry, Good luck with your new rifle. But I was impressed with your comments on the accuracy of your HW97, a gun that I have been thinking about. Is it 22 cal, or is it .177. Thanks, Tom
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Henry Bowman
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 19, 2024, 07:25:10 AM »
Tom, my HW97 K is a .177 cal with a Vortek PG4 Spring kit. I have a Meopta Optika 6, 2.5 X 15 power scope with a one piece Sportmatch Dampa mount and Rowan Engineering Medium wheel and pointer on it.
It is the version with the blue laminated stock, which I absolutely LOVE save for the weight, for a bench gun or competition (not carrying it in the woods) it is heavy, but the stock is fat where it should be and slender where it doesn't need to be.
I am also running the HW 97 Moderator on it. (Surprisingly makes a difference)
While it does make for a long and heavy rifle, it is by far the most consistent, least hold sensitive rifle I have out of many high end springers.
The preferred pellet is the H&N Sport Domed pellets which will reliably put all in one slightly ragged hole at 25 yards that can be covered by a thumbtack.
Just as a comparison I had posted previously asking what kind of accuracy should I be getting with my FWB 300s, because I sure wasn't getting the accuracy some claimed...I mounted an Athlon 6x24 Midas scope on the 300 and it went from slightly smaller than dime sized groups (iron sights) to one hole, like the factory test target....old eyes I guess, the reason for me saying that is that I DO have the ability to shoot accurately when I get a rig set up just right.
The HW97K is easier to cock, easier to load and the manual of arms is simpler than the TX200 series, it is more consistent with a wider variety of pellets than say the 300S or an FWB 124 and the blue lam stock is just perfect, it also has the Rekord trigger which I cut my teeth on decades ago and still have yet to find it's equal for a field gun. Is it a PERFECT springer? well no.
It has some of the thinnest blueing I have ever seen and some accidental aggressive cleaning took most of the blueing off the muzzle area which not worthy as I cannot get cold blue shipped here for some "dang" reason....
It is expensive (most guns in this class are), heavy and I feel that they could have easily put a cheek riser on it and should have.
But overall I don't see how you could go wrong with it.
I bought the TX200 to do a side by side comparison and to that end I ordered the PG4 kit for the TX so well see. I think I will grow to love them both but the TX will be more of a hunting gun then competition style.
Wish I could figure out pictures, cause I got some good ones but the files are always too large....oh well
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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Reply #9 on:
March 21, 2024, 10:40:49 AM »
What is the trigger release weight? I had one in the shop and it took under 1 lb. to get it right on.
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Henry Bowman
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 21, 2024, 11:03:50 AM »
Not certain, its about as light as the 97. I would guess around 1.5 to2 lbs. but I wouldn't bet a steak dinner on it.
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Frank in Fairfield
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 21, 2024, 05:11:26 PM »
“they could have easily put a cheek riser on it”
There are YouTube videos for DIY cheek piece..
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Re: TX200 HC not what I had hoped for so far...
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March 28, 2024, 09:28:00 PM »
I have both the 200 and a 97...what I have noticed is that the 97...and the LGU...make accuracy easier than the 200. Also, when the TX starts to shotgun, it's time to clean the barrel. That's not an original idea...other folks have noticed this as well.
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