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Seneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump rifle: Part Fourhttps://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Tom Gaylord at PA did the 25 yard accuracy test. He used open sights. Usually he scopes the airguns he tests for accuracy; but, not this time. JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy - Five JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets landed in a vertical group that measures 1.03-inches between centers.Apolo Air BossNext up was the .22-caliber Apolo Air Boss. They went into a group measuring 0.914-inches between centers.Predator PolymagNext I tried Predator Polymags. But they don’t work well in the Dragonfly Mark 2. They gave an open group that measures 1.25-inches between centers. It is the largest group of the test.Air Arms 18-grain domesThe next target was shot with 5 Air Arms 18-grain domes. I shot the 18-grainers because in Part 3 it seemed to me that the Dragonfly Mark 2 likes heavier pellets the best. Five of these went into 1.024-inches between centers. It’s pretty much in the same ballpark as all the other pellets I have tested so far.H&N Baracuda Match 5.51mm head Oh! Apparently I don’t have to shoot another group of the JSBs. I don’t because the Dragonfly Mark 2 put five of the final pellets into a group that measures 0.585-inches between centers. This is what I was hoping for and it’s what I believe the Dragonfly Mark 2 is capable of with the right pellets.
Quote from: Keepingitsimple on February 23, 2022, 10:03:02 AMSeneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump rifle: Part Fourhttps://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Tom Gaylord at PA did the 25 yard accuracy test. He used open sights. Usually he scopes the airguns he tests for accuracy; but, not this time. JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy - Five JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets landed in a vertical group that measures 1.03-inches between centers.Apolo Air BossNext up was the .22-caliber Apolo Air Boss. They went into a group measuring 0.914-inches between centers.Predator PolymagNext I tried Predator Polymags. But they don’t work well in the Dragonfly Mark 2. They gave an open group that measures 1.25-inches between centers. It is the largest group of the test.Air Arms 18-grain domesThe next target was shot with 5 Air Arms 18-grain domes. I shot the 18-grainers because in Part 3 it seemed to me that the Dragonfly Mark 2 likes heavier pellets the best. Five of these went into 1.024-inches between centers. It’s pretty much in the same ballpark as all the other pellets I have tested so far.H&N Baracuda Match 5.51mm head Oh! Apparently I don’t have to shoot another group of the JSBs. I don’t because the Dragonfly Mark 2 put five of the final pellets into a group that measures 0.585-inches between centers. This is what I was hoping for and it’s what I believe the Dragonfly Mark 2 is capable of with the right pellets.Those a pretty good groups for factory iron sights at 25 yards, especially with those 5.51 H&N pellets. In part 3 Tom was getting dime sized groups at 10m with several different pellets. I bet with a scope the groups would be tighter. it's hard to have a repeatable hold with such thick front sight post. In my own experience the factory irons on my Stormrider yield a less than desirable result at 25 yards using a tripod yoke for a rest. When switching to the scope I can stack Crosman pellets with no difficulty. No competitive shooter would use the factory irons on this SPA platform. Direct quote: "I am purposely concentrating on a good 6 o’clock hold sight picture, but as I said, that front sight isn’t made to shoot targets. I think when I put a red dot on this test will go differently."We all understand you don't like the gun, but at least this way I get to read the blog posts about it, which are overwhelmingly positive.
Quote from: Spacebus on February 23, 2022, 12:20:05 PMQuote from: Keepingitsimple on February 23, 2022, 10:03:02 AMSeneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump rifle: Part Fourhttps://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Tom Gaylord at PA did the 25 yard accuracy test. He used open sights. Usually he scopes the airguns he tests for accuracy; but, not this time. JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy - Five JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets landed in a vertical group that measures 1.03-inches between centers.Apolo Air BossNext up was the .22-caliber Apolo Air Boss. They went into a group measuring 0.914-inches between centers.Predator PolymagNext I tried Predator Polymags. But they don’t work well in the Dragonfly Mark 2. They gave an open group that measures 1.25-inches between centers. It is the largest group of the test.Air Arms 18-grain domesThe next target was shot with 5 Air Arms 18-grain domes. I shot the 18-grainers because in Part 3 it seemed to me that the Dragonfly Mark 2 likes heavier pellets the best. Five of these went into 1.024-inches between centers. It’s pretty much in the same ballpark as all the other pellets I have tested so far.H&N Baracuda Match 5.51mm head Oh! Apparently I don’t have to shoot another group of the JSBs. I don’t because the Dragonfly Mark 2 put five of the final pellets into a group that measures 0.585-inches between centers. This is what I was hoping for and it’s what I believe the Dragonfly Mark 2 is capable of with the right pellets.Those a pretty good groups for factory iron sights at 25 yards, especially with those 5.51 H&N pellets. In part 3 Tom was getting dime sized groups at 10m with several different pellets. I bet with a scope the groups would be tighter. it's hard to have a repeatable hold with such thick front sight post. In my own experience the factory irons on my Stormrider yield a less than desirable result at 25 yards using a tripod yoke for a rest. When switching to the scope I can stack Crosman pellets with no difficulty. No competitive shooter would use the factory irons on this SPA platform. Direct quote: "I am purposely concentrating on a good 6 o’clock hold sight picture, but as I said, that front sight isn’t made to shoot targets. I think when I put a red dot on this test will go differently."We all understand you don't like the gun, but at least this way I get to read the blog posts about it, which are overwhelmingly positive.That's the big question ... can this airgun be scoped? In the vid I posted above, the 2 guys think the seneca might be able to be used with a compact scope or a red dot sight. But, an even bigger question which I asked the other day not getting an answer is...Looking at the vid, I do not see how you can mount a scope and still use the magazine. Is that indeed the case?When you say "We all understand you don't like the gun"...when no one answers what is after all a relatively simple question, then to me that suggests not many people actually like it.Except of course, the small market segment that it was and is intended for. But, perhaps after BB shows everyone how to mount a red dot sight on the seneca, then the market for it may increase.Naturally, I'll post the test and link for everyone to peruse it.
Quote from: Keepingitsimple on February 23, 2022, 02:54:32 PMQuote from: Spacebus on February 23, 2022, 12:20:05 PMQuote from: Keepingitsimple on February 23, 2022, 10:03:02 AMSeneca Dragonfly Mark 2 multi-pump rifle: Part Fourhttps://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Tom Gaylord at PA did the 25 yard accuracy test. He used open sights. Usually he scopes the airguns he tests for accuracy; but, not this time. JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy - Five JSB Exact Jumbo Heavy pellets landed in a vertical group that measures 1.03-inches between centers.Apolo Air BossNext up was the .22-caliber Apolo Air Boss. They went into a group measuring 0.914-inches between centers.Predator PolymagNext I tried Predator Polymags. But they don’t work well in the Dragonfly Mark 2. They gave an open group that measures 1.25-inches between centers. It is the largest group of the test.Air Arms 18-grain domesThe next target was shot with 5 Air Arms 18-grain domes. I shot the 18-grainers because in Part 3 it seemed to me that the Dragonfly Mark 2 likes heavier pellets the best. Five of these went into 1.024-inches between centers. It’s pretty much in the same ballpark as all the other pellets I have tested so far.H&N Baracuda Match 5.51mm head Oh! Apparently I don’t have to shoot another group of the JSBs. I don’t because the Dragonfly Mark 2 put five of the final pellets into a group that measures 0.585-inches between centers. This is what I was hoping for and it’s what I believe the Dragonfly Mark 2 is capable of with the right pellets.Those a pretty good groups for factory iron sights at 25 yards, especially with those 5.51 H&N pellets. In part 3 Tom was getting dime sized groups at 10m with several different pellets. I bet with a scope the groups would be tighter. it's hard to have a repeatable hold with such thick front sight post. In my own experience the factory irons on my Stormrider yield a less than desirable result at 25 yards using a tripod yoke for a rest. When switching to the scope I can stack Crosman pellets with no difficulty. No competitive shooter would use the factory irons on this SPA platform. Direct quote: "I am purposely concentrating on a good 6 o’clock hold sight picture, but as I said, that front sight isn’t made to shoot targets. I think when I put a red dot on this test will go differently."We all understand you don't like the gun, but at least this way I get to read the blog posts about it, which are overwhelmingly positive.That's the big question ... can this airgun be scoped? In the vid I posted above, the 2 guys think the seneca might be able to be used with a compact scope or a red dot sight. But, an even bigger question which I asked the other day not getting an answer is...Looking at the vid, I do not see how you can mount a scope and still use the magazine. Is that indeed the case?When you say "We all understand you don't like the gun"...when no one answers what is after all a relatively simple question, then to me that suggests not many people actually like it.Except of course, the small market segment that it was and is intended for. But, perhaps after BB shows everyone how to mount a red dot sight on the seneca, then the market for it may increase.Naturally, I'll post the test and link for everyone to peruse it.You can take that chip off your shoulder, this is a proven platform.
This is literally a MSP variant of the Diana Stormrider. I have a scope on the Stormrider hanging on my wall, which has almost the same iron sights as the DF MKII... You do need rings that can clear the magazine, or just use the SST and mount whatever rings clear your scope. For what it's worth, a scope with a large objective bell will necessitate high rings, which will clear the magazine easily. Anything that mounts and works with a Stormrider will work with the DF MKII, or DF MKI for that matter. This is not an entirely new rifle, just the application of the butterfly linkage to a previously existing product. Seneca/SPA partnered with a man who initially put the mechanism on a Benjamin 392p. The biggest complaint about the DF MKI was the high pumping effort, hence the MKII Butterfly linkage. You can take that chip off your shoulder, this is a proven platform. My Stormrider stacks all the available .22 cal Crosman pellets, and my .177 Bandit/Chaser Rifle hybrid stacked H&N Barracudas. The Bandit has a red dot and the Stormrider has a compact scope. I could easily mount a full size scope, but I wanted something light.
Spacebus is on point with this. Scopes are easily mounted to the 11mm dovetail with two piece rings. The rear sight is easy to remove if you go with a scope that has a larger objective bell.
Quote from: Tpatner412 on February 24, 2022, 10:48:19 AMSpacebus is on point with this. Scopes are easily mounted to the 11mm dovetail with two piece rings. The rear sight is easy to remove if you go with a scope that has a larger objective bell. Thank you, Tyler. But, that wasn't my question. My question was ... Looking at the vid, I do not see how you can mount a scope and still use the magazine. Is that indeed the case?Sure. A scope can be mounted. But, can the magazine still be used with the scope mounted?Looks like BB didn't use the magazine during his open sight test.Single shot tray slides easilyI’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/
Yes, the magazine can easily be installed while a scope is mounted, so long as two piece rings (medium height or taller) are used. The breech setup is the same as the stormrider, so if you find yourself a video of a scope mounted with a magazine in the gun for the Stormrider, that'll show you the way. You can see it here:
Quote from: Keepingitsimple on February 24, 2022, 12:17:41 PMQuote from: Tpatner412 on February 24, 2022, 10:48:19 AMSpacebus is on point with this. Scopes are easily mounted to the 11mm dovetail with two piece rings. The rear sight is easy to remove if you go with a scope that has a larger objective bell. Thank you, Tyler. But, that wasn't my question. My question was ... Looking at the vid, I do not see how you can mount a scope and still use the magazine. Is that indeed the case?Sure. A scope can be mounted. But, can the magazine still be used with the scope mounted?Looks like BB didn't use the magazine during his open sight test.Single shot tray slides easilyI’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Jacob... the answer to your question is a simple "yes".The breech, mag, and scope mounting situation is exactly the same as the Storm Rider, Varmint, Plinkster and all other guns of this specific platform. You set a scope ring in front and behind the mag slot on the breech and mount the scope. The only thing you have to do is make sure the rings are tall enough for the mag to clear the scope..... same as any other mag loading gun. In this case... medium height rings should do it.
Quote from: avator on February 24, 2022, 12:34:54 PMQuote from: Keepingitsimple on February 24, 2022, 12:17:41 PMQuote from: Tpatner412 on February 24, 2022, 10:48:19 AMSpacebus is on point with this. Scopes are easily mounted to the 11mm dovetail with two piece rings. The rear sight is easy to remove if you go with a scope that has a larger objective bell. Thank you, Tyler. But, that wasn't my question. My question was ... Looking at the vid, I do not see how you can mount a scope and still use the magazine. Is that indeed the case?Sure. A scope can be mounted. But, can the magazine still be used with the scope mounted?Looks like BB didn't use the magazine during his open sight test.Single shot tray slides easilyI’m shooting with the single shot tray and it slides out of place easily. As my finger tries to put the pellet into the trough the tray slides out of position. I wish it would stay in place a little better.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-four/Jacob... the answer to your question is a simple "yes".The breech, mag, and scope mounting situation is exactly the same as the Storm Rider, Varmint, Plinkster and all other guns of this specific platform. You set a scope ring in front and behind the mag slot on the breech and mount the scope. The only thing you have to do is make sure the rings are tall enough for the mag to clear the scope..... same as any other mag loading gun. In this case... medium height rings should do it.Thank you, Bill. I think what is confusing me is the disparate weights of the 2 rifles. The stormrider weighs 5 pounds. The Mk2 weighs 6.5 pounds.Where's that extra 1.5 pounds coming from? The pump linkage?If not, then where?When you say 'specific platform' ... to me a specific platform means the Mk2 and the stormrider and all the other rifles you cited would all weigh 5 pounds apiece. And, have the same barrel length.That's the way my mind works.
author=Firewalker link=topic=195725.msg156292355#msg156292355 date=1645722796]Please consider our common use of the term "Lego" gun for example. Both Diana and Crosman have a series of guns that within their own manufacturers, vary wildly in barrel lengths, PCP, CO2, pumpers etc, shoulder stocks, pistol grips, etc. This simply means that using a benchmark such as weight is non sequitur and thus the reason why you have been getting some pushback.The issue of scope ring height tells me that you are just beginning in guns/air guns, perhaps bring the insistence down from 11 to lets say a 6 or 7 and you will get a LOT more responses to your liking. There are a lot of good people here, dont burn your bridges with them.--I'm not new to airguns, but it looks like I am new to quoting posts to try and shorten their length.Yes David; there are a lot of good people here. I agree.Insistence? In being curious about this rifle? Asking questions?Trying to separate the wheat from the chaff? M'kay.The weight is a non sequitur?Merriam-Webster disagree's with your choice of words. You might want to try another minimization instead.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequiturThe dragonfly weighs 5.65 pounds.https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-dragonfly-multi-pump-air-rifle?m=4514The Mk2 weighs 6.5 pounds.Where is the almost extra pound (0.85 lb) of weight coming from? The pump linkage?If not, then where?Simple question, I'd say.Rather than scolding me, why not attempt to answer the question instead?
C'mon guys.... let's just drop it and move on... this banter is very non productive.David... yes, the added weight has to come from the pump linkage. I have not owned or handled either gun personally so that would be the only guess on my part. Both guns are virtually identical other wise.