Husker, have you pinned yourself to the GTA members map? You might take a look and see if there are any GTA members close by. If you were in West TN I'd invite you over to handle and shoot almost every type of airgun available. It sure is easier to actually handle an airgun before making a purchase and finding out it's just not "the" one.Anyway, good luck and hope you can at least narrow your search down.
The NP2 project has some good points, and I'm all for letting them get everything perfected. Give them some credit for the ideas, and some time to get it wrung out.
And so... Do any springers shoot consistently without spending an arm and a leg and then require the skill of a master pianist? Or is a PCP the way to go if you want repeatability with mystical powers? I'm lost and getting frustrated.
I have money burning the proverbial hole...Trying to figure out which gun to purchase has me so confused, I'm about to give up...Thought I would do some research/homework on "Air Guns" before wasting money on another Pump. I had no idea so many types and Models were out there.Viewing & Reading reviews has literally driven me to the point, that I now feel further from making a decision, than before I discovered this site...Yes, I'm very frustrated, when I read that some of the reviewers are nothing more than a Shill for Brand-X...Oh Well!!...Eventually, I'll give my $$$ to someone and probably regret it, because I made the wrong decision...Rant Over.
That said a Diana 34 is smoother, lighter and much better to shoot in every way except 14ftlbs vs 18ftlbs.
Quote from: huklbery on June 17, 2014, 12:16:38 PMThat said a Diana 34 is smoother, lighter and much better to shoot in every way except 14ftlbs vs 18ftlbs.Is it quite?
Quote from: Jr_Explorer on June 17, 2014, 12:52:06 AMAnd so... Do any springers shoot consistently without spending an arm and a leg and then require the skill of a master pianist? Or is a PCP the way to go if you want repeatability with mystical powers? I'm lost and getting frustrated.PCP's are easier to shoot and more accurate than most if not all Springers out of the box. If you are looking for PCP accuracy in a Springer, you would have to get your Springer well (pro) tuned. Then you would love your spring gun and never want to let it go.Harry
Quote from: Swedge on June 11, 2014, 08:26:13 AMalthough i love Crosman i also wonder if Tom Gaylord's rifle was a "Ringer" also wonder if he was paid to review it in some shape or form. but even with the hype I am still going to get one. Just cant seem to get into the PCP thing because of ALL the other additional equipment that is REQUIRED for them... also dont have any local place to get air. And my Savage MKII is just about as cheap to shoot now that .22LR ammo is slowly starting to come back. really wish somebody would make a multi pump rifle that pushed a .22 pellet out at around 1000FPS. would not care that i had to pump it 20-40 times per shot!Gaylord is paid to review every gun in a good light, no matter the obvious flaws. He probably had many but doesn't tell his poor, unsuspecting readers everything because the truth would lose sales. Which is what we are seeing now! But that's okay! He already helped PA sell tons already To try to make a sale for PA in any form regardless of being true or not, or hiding facts from his customers is why he get's a cheque. I quit reading his "blogs" after seeing him for what he really is.. a salesman that provides ludicrous disinformation He obviously over-hyped the NP2 to such astounding, ridiculous and absurd level (ie the BB of AG 2014 edition) just to help boost PA's pre orders. Have you ever went to the comments there and see a person or more spill the beans on Gaylord's deceptiveness or disinformation and they are obviously right but then get ignored by "pelletier" or he replies with generic, dumb-founded responses because Tom knows he is in the wrong but can't save his face? Then his fanboys come to his rescue no matter how wrong TG is. Sorry rant over. I just cringe when I see people using the PA blog (Gaylord's sales pitch) as gospel or as a credible source of information, when it's clearly not. P.A just gets him a rifle and says "make this sell", he then goes to desperate measures ie disinformation.
although i love Crosman i also wonder if Tom Gaylord's rifle was a "Ringer" also wonder if he was paid to review it in some shape or form. but even with the hype I am still going to get one. Just cant seem to get into the PCP thing because of ALL the other additional equipment that is REQUIRED for them... also dont have any local place to get air. And my Savage MKII is just about as cheap to shoot now that .22LR ammo is slowly starting to come back. really wish somebody would make a multi pump rifle that pushed a .22 pellet out at around 1000FPS. would not care that i had to pump it 20-40 times per shot!
O.K. So I'm brand spanking new to the world of "real" airguns. (I had a pellet gun in my early teens) And I'm a "reader" and an engineer... So with 6 months of careful planning and research I can be as spontaneous as the next guy. But enough about me...So I'm looking at getting a "good" airgun. And it LOOKS like gas springs are a technological (albeit maybe immature) leap that MAY change spring guns forever. And it LOOKS like the Crossman Trail NP2 COULD be another step in that progression. So I have scoured the internet for reviews. Of course with no pre-releases to writers there was nothing before the production run ship date. After that there is one review of a .177 caliber by a Brit that quotes he "heard" the .177 has a problem (but he bought one in .177 anyways!) and then his was horrible and sent it back. And several perturbed off new gun owners that are coloring the reviews with very typical first run quality control issues that the gun may never shake off.Then I discover B.B. Pelletier (Tom Gaylord/Pyramid) blog. Seems thorough and in depth. But reading between the lines I'm wondering if I even want an air gun now. For example... Mr. Gaylords THIRTEEN (13!) part review of the TX200 Mark III. He states in part 1, "The TX200 Mark III is the finest spring-piston air rifle available today. Please notice that I did not say “one of” or “perhaps” or any other temporizing modifier. This is flat-out the best spring gun there is today — bar none."Then there are several whole chapters of the 13 (to date) total chapters devoted to how the "...finest spring-piston air rifle available today." is shooting poor groups because it isn't being held right, isn't set on the sandbags right, isn't shooting the right pellets, etc., etc. In one part I think he shot 10-15, 10 shot groups to get ONE that was representative of the "legendary" groupings this $630 dollar gun is capable of.So I can see why people (and more and more myself) see this guy as an internet flim-flame man. But there are a lot of those (if you get interested in photography the biggest on-line blow hard is Ken Rockwell). The problem is... Where do you find the honest, yet not disgruntled gun reviewers? Ted (Ted's Holdover) might be but he's hard core PCP, not springer. Anyone have any other good resources?And so... Do any springers shoot consistently without spending an arm and a leg and then require the skill of a master pianist? Or is a PCP the way to go if you want repeatability with mystical powers? I'm lost and getting frustrated.
somewhat on topic i love how all the folks that have put the NP2 through a chronograph and ALL the velocities are waaaay lower then the advertised specks granted that's to be expected however looking at what crosman sells pellet wise was wonder just what pellets they use for the velocity. and energy tests? and do they use TWO different pellets and combine the results... i mean obviously an ultra light weight pellet will yield High VMAX but low energy... just wondering if ANYBODY has even come close to the factory specks velocity/energy wise? also would like to ask crossman and all the other manufactures just what pellets do they use for testing? some kind of home made ringers again that weigh a fraction of an Oz? for the velocity tests? granted energy is a much better measure as its harder to fudge.. however as i mentioned earlier i really like crosman, just don't want to see them taking the GAMo route... next thing they will be posting vids of hog hunting with a .177 NP2!!! also would be really cool if the Np2 could be placed in an Np1 and regular spring gun for a side by side comparison... also still think this site needs a chrono section of ALL the user airguns with what mods they have done!! with the chrono review listing pellet weight and brand...