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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Damo666 on April 10, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
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I'm looking for a springer Pistol that's as powerful as the Weihrauch HW45 but easier on the wallet.
In my search, the Hatsan Mod 25 Supercharger keeps cropping up.
Has anyone used or owned one of these, & if so, what are your thoughts on it?
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Not the reply you were looking for, but buyers on PA seem to like them:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-air-pistol?m=2717 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-air-pistol?m=2717)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-vortex-air-pistol?m=3419 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-vortex-air-pistol?m=3419)
Not sure what the differences are between these two.
The US models may exceed the UK 6 ft.lb pistol limit, but a detuned model probably has a lower cocking force. That is listed as 58 lb under the "specifications" tab. Outrageous!
Here is the user manual: https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-vortex-air-pistol-owners-manual.pdf (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/hatsan-model-25-supercharger-vortex-air-pistol-owners-manual.pdf)
I do have the Beeman P1 (HW45). It is not hard to cock, although it is different from the typical break barrel. The P1 has a dual power setting by virtue of full and partial stroke sear notches. Don't know if this applies to the HW45.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-p1-air-pistol?m=555#1144 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-p1-air-pistol?m=555#1144)
https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Beeman-P1-P3-P11-Manual-low.pdf (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-gunsresources/manuals/Beeman-P1-P3-P11-Manual-low.pdf)
The HW45 is interesting to shoot because of its bounciness. It feels "alive", rather than harsh. It would be difficult to predict how that would compare to the UK spec Hatsan in shooting feel and accuracy.
While I like pistol shooting, my philosophy is that if I want to shoot something with a low powered airgun, it is much easier to hit with an HW30 than with a pistol...
If you want easy accuracy at a very low price, find a Beeman P17: https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-p17?m=614 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-p17?m=614)
That is, unless you need more than 2.5 FPE.
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Cheap spring piston air pistols sold in the USA: https://www.pyramydair.com/pellet-guns/pellet-pistols (https://www.pyramydair.com/pellet-guns/pellet-pistols)
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Yes, I have several.
The gas-piston, "Vortex" model is perceptibly less powerful and has less vibration when fired than the "springer."
It's a really big pistol, but not impossible to shoot, but you'll likely want to use two hands.
The trigger is excellent, way better than a Benjamin Trail NP, but not quite as good as the one on the P1/HW45.
The frame in on a rail, which reduces felt recoil to some degree. It's not like a FWB 65 or a Diana 54, where the mechanism causes the receiver to move. That would require a lot more complexity.
It's definitely more powerful than the HW45 (and any other "springer" pistol that comes to mind) and .22 caliber is a viable option, especially in the spring-based version.
Don't expect German manufacturing quality, but IMHO, the Mod 25 Supercharger is well worth the money as long as your arms are strong enough to hold it steady while shooting.
For paper targets, the Vortex might be a little easier to shoot accurately, but I prefer the spring-based version, because of the power it puts out.
-Whirly
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Thank you for the replies guys.
The reviews on Pyramidair are decent for the most part, so that's good news.
Whirligig, do you have the .22 or .177 spring version, & how long have you owned it?
Out of the box, apart from making sure screws are snug (like all springers) is there anything that needs fettling?
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I have a Hatsan Pistol but it is called a Webley Typhoon. It is not the supercharge version and I really don't know its power output. It is about the same as the one you are looking at. A big pistol in the hand, quite accurate out to ten metres but not match accurate. The sliding action works well in reducing recoil and it is easy to cock and shoot. I saw a message on an English forum saying DO NOT BUY.
Well for a cheap pistol I have no regrets in buying mine. It is fun to shoot and I get it out for a few shots quite often.
Air pistols can not be imported into NZ by anyone so mine is a treasure.
PS. The only modification of have made it to remove the return spring on the trigger. It still returns well and has improved the trigger.
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Thank you for the replies guys.
The reviews on Pyramidair are decent for the most part, so that's good news.
Whirligig, do you have the .22 or .177 spring version, & how long have you owned it?
Out of the box, apart from making sure screws are snug (like all springers) is there anything that needs fettling?
I have the spring version in both .22 and .177, and the gas piston (Vortex) version in .177.
They are pretty heavily lubricated at the factory, so you'll likely experience some dieseling in the form of smoke for the break-in period (about 100 shots). Other than that, they don't seem to need any tweaking.
-W
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Thank you all for the input.
I've had a good read around about the Hatsan mod 25 supercharger and I've found a few reports of a sear spring snapping & some with stock screws needing fettling, but additionally, there are a good amount of reports from satisfied customers balancing the overall opinion - including the reviews from Pyramidair above.
I've heard they're a chore in terms of getting good grouping, but I'm a big fan of springers & having to put effort in, so this isn't a problem.
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Thank you all for the input.
I've had a good read around about the Hatsan mod 25 supercharger and I've found a few reports of a sear spring snapping & some with stock screws needing fettling, but additionally, there are a good amount of reports from satisfied customers balancing the overall opinion - including the reviews from Pyramidair above.
I've heard they're a chore in terms of getting good grouping, but I'm a big fan of springers & having to put effort in, so this isn't a problem.
Well, it's a given that you should snug up all accessible screws on any and all Hatsan spring/gas piston airguns before shooting them every time you take them out. This includes sight and scope-stop screws in addition to the screws on the receiver. Blue loctite (or plain old nail polish) can help prevent them from coming loose, but be sure to let it cure overnight before resuming shooting after it is applied.
Consider the Mod. 25 Supercharger to be like a "magnum" springer air rifle - they are just not easy to shoot accurately. Not to say that they are inaccurate - it just takes practice, familiarity with the firing behavior, and some skill to do it. If you want an easy-to shoot airgun, buy a Beeman P17.
That being said, the Superchargers are very fun to shoot at reactive targets, especially (IMHO) the .22-caliber version which puts lighter lead pellets downrange at about 460 FPS, and really makes those aluminum soda cans jump around.
Good luck!
-W
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Cheers Whirly for the input.
I've now ordered one & expect delivery on Wednesday next week, so when it arrives I'll report back with my findings.
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Thank you all for the input.
I've had a good read around about the Hatsan mod 25 supercharger and I've found a few reports of a sear spring snapping & some with stock screws needing fettling, but additionally, there are a good amount of reports from satisfied customers balancing the overall opinion - including the reviews from Pyramidair above.
I've heard they're a chore in terms of getting good grouping, but I'm a big fan of springers & having to put effort in, so this isn't a problem.
When the supercharger first came out they had a lot of problems with the sear spring snapping but I have not herd of any failures in quite some time. Hatsan has been improving on this platform from day one. They have resigned and improved the gas ram,piston,piston seal material and springs that I know of. The new guns are a lot better than the originals by far.
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Thank you all for the input.
I've had a good read around about the Hatsan mod 25 supercharger and I've found a few reports of a sear spring snapping & some with stock screws needing fettling, but additionally, there are a good amount of reports from satisfied customers balancing the overall opinion - including the reviews from Pyramidair above.
I've heard they're a chore in terms of getting good grouping, but I'm a big fan of springers & having to put effort in, so this isn't a problem.
When the supercharger first came out they had a lot of problems with the sear spring snapping but I have not herd of any failures in quite some time. Hatsan has been improving on this platform from day one. They have resigned and improved the gas ram,piston,piston seal material and springs that I know of. The new guns are a lot better than the originals by far.
That's nice to hear about Hatsan remedying things rather than sitting on their hands doing nothing.
Do you know the approximate year that the supercharger was released for sale?
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Get the Diana LP-8 Magnum. It is more accurate that the Hatsan and much better build quality.
Anything else and you will be disappointed... :-[
-Y
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Get the Diana LP-8 Magnum. It is more accurate that the Hatsan and much better build quality.
Anything else and you will be disappointed... :-[
-Y
The Diana LP-8 does have better build quality, but it costs more than twice as much as the Mod. 25. It's a great air pistol, but the Mod 25 arguably provides "more bang for your buck."
I'm not disappointed in either.
The Benjamin Trail NP and Umarex Trevox on the other hand...
-W
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Cheers Whirly for the input.
I've now ordered one & expect delivery on Wednesday next week, so when it arrives I'll report back with my findings.
Did you get the springer or the gas ram version?
What caliber?
-W
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Cheers Whirly for the input.
I've now ordered one & expect delivery on Wednesday next week, so when it arrives I'll report back with my findings.
Did you get the springer or the gas ram version?
What caliber?
-W
I got the .22 springer supercharger model - http://www.thegunrack.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=772 (http://www.thegunrack.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=772)
I went for .22 as opposed to .177, as my thoughts are that the firing cycle will be smoother & less harsh with the .22 if my springer air rifles are anything to go by.
Not sure if this smoother firing cycle applies with pistols, but I'm fine with either calibre anyway.
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Cheers Whirly for the input.
I've now ordered one & expect delivery on Wednesday next week, so when it arrives I'll report back with my findings.
Did you get the springer or the gas ram version?
What caliber?
-W
I got the .22 springer supercharger model - http://www.thegunrack.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=772 (http://www.thegunrack.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=772)
I went for .22 as opposed to .177, as my thoughts are that the firing cycle will be smoother & less harsh with the .22 if my springer air rifles are anything to go by.
Not sure if this smoother firing cycle applies with pistols, but I'm fine with either calibre anyway.
Awesome! I think you'll have a blast shooting it!
-W
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Get the Diana LP-8 Magnum. It is more accurate that the Hatsan and much better build quality.
Anything else and you will be disappointed... :-[
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I have a LP8 and to tell you the truth I dont really see much difference in the accuracy. Maybe a very slight edge to the LP8. Now for build quality it will go to the LP8 BUT as stated above its almost double the price. I was very disappointed in my LP8. I was expecting for it to be FAR better than the mod25 and it just isnt. YES it is a better gun but its not that much better to justify the higher price. Just saying.
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Thank you all for the input.
I've had a good read around about the Hatsan mod 25 supercharger and I've found a few reports of a sear spring snapping & some with stock screws needing fettling, but additionally, there are a good amount of reports from satisfied customers balancing the overall opinion - including the reviews from Pyramidair above.
I've heard they're a chore in terms of getting good grouping, but I'm a big fan of springers & having to put effort in, so this isn't a problem.
When the supercharger first came out they had a lot of problems with the sear spring snapping but I have not herd of any failures in quite some time. Hatsan has been improving on this platform from day one. They have resigned and improved the gas ram,piston,piston seal material and springs that I know of. The new guns are a lot better than the originals by far.
That's nice to hear about Hatsan remedying things rather than sitting on their hands doing nothing.
Do you know the approximate year that the supercharger was released for sale?
Around 2012 +/-
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I have the .22 springer and .177 vortex. The .177 is one of my favorite guns to shoot indoors. It is modified slightly however. I flipped the front sight upside down so I can cock it without the longer cocking barrel attached (it’s scoped). I also charged the vortex piston at various levels until settling in at something more than 120 but less than 150 bar if memory serves. Used a hand pump. It’s accurate to reliable 1 inch or less groups at 17 yards off a pillow rest on a drum. My off hand shot groups seem to depend on the day. Part of the joy is the chest workout I get cocking this over and over again.
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I have the .177 Vortex with a Crosman stock. It has ended many raiding tree rats from my bird feeders.
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I have the .22 springer and .177 vortex. The .177 is one of my favorite guns to shoot indoors. It is modified slightly however. I flipped the front sight upside down so I can cock it without the longer cocking barrel attached (it’s scoped). I also charged the vortex piston at various levels until settling in at something more than 120 but less than 150 bar if memory serves. Used a hand pump. It’s accurate to reliable 1 inch or less groups at 17 yards off a pillow rest on a drum. My off hand shot groups seem to depend on the day. Part of the joy is the chest workout I get cocking this over and over again.
Wow 120-150 charge on the ram? What do your chrony numbers look like?
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I don’t have a chronograph [he writes with a frown]. I get a sense of FPS and fpe qualities by shooting into wood cases of 10 empty Arturo Fuentes cubanitos tins, typically at 17 yards.
The only pellet shot from the .22 that penetrates even the first tin lid from the spring supercharger is the h&n sniper (light and magnum both do it). Every .177 pellet from the vortex supercharger achieves this, and did even before the pressure increase in the ram. The increased FPS of the .177 and smaller diameter of the pellet head are evident. What happens after penetrating the first lid suggests fpe qualities I suppose. The .177s with the higher pressure ram make a deeper impression on the back of the tin and lid of the next tin, which are flush up against each other.
[chuckling] My tins are no chronograph and I find the Arturo tins are much denser than other cigar tins I’ve used, which also reflects my sense of the cigars quality too but that’s for another forum.
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My .22 springer Supercharger just turned up, and what a blast this is to shoot.
I've put around 100 shots through it, but it's still dieselling, with grey smoke exiting the barrel after every shot. It seems to be reducing, though.
The best grouping I'm getting is around 1" at 12 yards using the tru glo open sights, but I'm struggling to improve on it. I'm finding it incredibly pellet fussy.
Can anyone give me some pointers on which pellets yours prefer, please?
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I find it more a matter of hold and shooting technique, more than pellet pickiness, those groups seem good for open sights for a pistol.
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My .22 springer Supercharger just turned up, and what a blast this is to shoot.
I've put around 100 shots through it, but it's still dieselling, with grey smoke exiting the barrel after every shot. It seems to be reducing, though.
The best grouping I'm getting is around 1" at 12 yards using the tru glo open sights, but I'm struggling to improve on it. I'm finding it incredibly pellet fussy.
Can anyone give me some pointers on which pellets yours prefer, please?
AA 7.87 and AA,JSB 10.3
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1” at 12 yds sounds pretty good open hand. Mine diesled for a long time. For speed and power nothing beat the h&n snipers with the lights being my preferred. For accuracy, however, I found lead domes from RWS and h&n to work well without much fuss between various styles.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Mine seems to like pellets that are a tight fit as opposed to loose fitting ones, and I notice there's much less diesiling when using tighter fitting pellets.
The Crosman Premier Ultra Magnum 14.3g & Webley Accupell provided my 1" grouping at 12 yards, but the JSB, Air arms, and another pellet I can't recall only grouped at 1.5 to 2" with the odd strange flyer.
Had another go today & achieved 0.75" at 12 yards using the Webley Accupell pellets.
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I have the .22 springer and .177 vortex. The .177 is one of my favorite guns to shoot indoors. It is modified slightly however. I flipped the front sight upside down so I can cock it without the longer cocking barrel attached (it’s scoped). I also charged the vortex piston at various levels until settling in at something more than 120 but less than 150 bar if memory serves. Used a hand pump. It’s accurate to reliable 1 inch or less groups at 17 yards off a pillow rest on a drum. My off hand shot groups seem to depend on the day. Part of the joy is the chest workout I get cocking this over and over again.
Wow 120-150 charge on the ram? What do your chrony numbers look like?
Could you advise me on the pump and other accessories I would need to increase the pressure on my Vortex Mod. 25 Supercharger?
Both price and quality are considerations.
Thanks!
-Whirligig
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Any hand pump will do. I use one of the inexpensive ones from China bought on eBay that are discussed here on GTA. You will also need the Hatsan fill probe and the foster adapter to connect it to the pump. I had one for a flashpup already. I learned the pistons could be adjusted here on GTA. I’ll see if I can find the thread.
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https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=145718.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=145718.0)
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Any hand pump will do. I use one of the inexpensive ones from China bought on eBay that are discussed here on GTA. You will also need the Hatsan fill probe and the foster adapter to connect it to the pump. I had one for a flashpup already. I learned the pistons could be adjusted here on GTA. I’ll see if I can find the thread.
Thanks!
Can anyone recommend specific pumps, fill probes, and foster adapters and the best place to buy them from online?
-C
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I have the .22 springer and .177 vortex. The .177 is one of my favorite guns to shoot indoors. It is modified slightly however. I flipped the front sight upside down so I can cock it without the longer cocking barrel attached (it’s scoped). I also charged the vortex piston at various levels until settling in at something more than 120 but less than 150 bar if memory serves. Used a hand pump. It’s accurate to reliable 1 inch or less groups at 17 yards off a pillow rest on a drum. My off hand shot groups seem to depend on the day. Part of the joy is the chest workout I get cocking this over and over again.
Wow 120-150 charge on the ram? What do your chrony numbers look like?
Ordered a cheap chrony from China/AliBabaExpress discussed here on GTA. Will keep you posted!
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Any hand pump will do. I use one of the inexpensive ones from China bought on eBay that are discussed here on GTA. You will also need the Hatsan fill probe and the foster adapter to connect it to the pump. I had one for a flashpup already. I learned the pistons could be adjusted here on GTA. I’ll see if I can find the thread.
Thanks!
Can anyone recommend specific pumps, fill probes, and foster adapters and the best place to buy them from online?
-C
I knew that I had asked this question before. (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146811.0)
Sorry to repeat it. The old noggin' isn't what it should be.
So, I'd need the following?
1 QTY Air Venturi Male Quick-Disconnect, 1/8 BSPP Female Threads, Steel, Rated to 5000 PSI, Incl. Delrin Seal (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M37FYA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3VW7SN5AUIBC8&psc=1) at 10.99+ $6.02 shipping
1 QTY PCP Fill Probe (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/pcp-fill-probe/) at $22.95 + $5.00 shipping OUT OF STOCK
1 QTY Air Venturi Replacement Probe, Fits Select Kral Arms, Evanix, Hatsan Guns (https://www.amazon.com/Air-Venturi-Replacement-Select-Evanix/dp/B006CLS6IO) at $21.99 + $6.04 shipping
1 QTY 4500Psi Paintball High Pressure PCP Hand Air Pump (https://smile.amazon.com/UAUS-4500Psi-Paintball-Pressure-Hunting/dp/B07QVPFQCL/ref=sr_1_22) at $63.49 + Free Shipping
Total cost = $108.25
Total cost = $108.53
Am I missing anything?
Thanks,
-W
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My .22 springer Supercharger just turned up, and what a blast this is to shoot.
I've put around 100 shots through it, but it's still dieselling, with grey smoke exiting the barrel after every shot. It seems to be reducing, though.
The best grouping I'm getting is around 1" at 12 yards using the tru glo open sights, but I'm struggling to improve on it. I'm finding it incredibly pellet fussy.
Can anyone give me some pointers on which pellets yours prefer, please?
I've had good luck with RWS Superdomes.
-W
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I was so pleased with the .22 that I also bought one in .177. For some reason, though, this .177 has got a plastic trigger. My .22 has a gold metal trigger as I thought both calibres did.
With the .177 version I'm getting 3/4" groups at 12 yards using QYS Domed pellets. Out of a 10 shot group, 3 were through the same hole so I'm well impressed.
Anyone got a 177 supercharger with a plastic trigger or have I been given an oddball?
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Strange. I have never heard of a supercharger with a plastic trigger. Gold metal on both my .22 spring and .177 vortex. Is it a refurb or used? Where’d you get it?
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Strange. I have never heard of a supercharger with a plastic trigger. Gold metal on both my .22 spring and .177 vortex. Is it a refurb or used? Where’d you get it?
It's brand new, & was even sealed inside the plastic wrapping inside the box as is typical with all Hatsan's.
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Hmm all my 25 super chargershave gold adjustable triggers, might be something new they started ???
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You must have a Supercharger QE?
As per Hatsan only the QE versions come with the black triggers.
Supercharger/Supertact QE
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My .22 springer Supercharger just turned up, and what a blast this is to shoot.
I've put around 100 shots through it, but it's still dieselling, with grey smoke exiting the barrel after every shot. It seems to be reducing, though.
The best grouping I'm getting is around 1" at 12 yards using the tru glo open sights, but I'm struggling to improve on it. I'm finding it incredibly pellet fussy.
Can anyone give me some pointers on which pellets yours prefer, please?
AA 7.87 and AA,JSB 10.3
Sorry I gave you the pellets for .177
My .22 likes RWS 14 grain wad cutters best but isn't pellet picky at all.
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You must have a Supercharger QE?
As per Hatsan only the QE versions come with the black triggers.
Supercharger/Supertact QE
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
I can confirm mine is definitely the standard Mod 25 Supercharger & not the QE, so my guess is that this one of mine is a production line error, or perhaps they're now fitting plastic triggers to new releases as standard.
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Could be or maybe they had a shortfall of the gold triggers and used the black ones until they get more gold triggers,
rather than stop production?
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I sent a e- mail over to my buddy at hatsan about it. It will be interesting to see what he knows!
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FWIW-
The place on Poland that sells Hatsan and Hatsan parts, sell the Quattro trigger with a black trigger blade. :-[
-Y
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Right guys,
I sent an eMail to Hatsan in Turkey today, and about 2 hours later received a response from Edgar Bros, the UK importer & distributor for Hatsan.
Looks like the new run of Superchargers of any description are now going to be plastic triggers and the gold metal ones are a thing of the past. Or, at least this is what I decipher from the response.
Here is the response...
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That means they are cutting the cost "Corners", hopefully that is the only way they are cutting corners on their guns.
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That means they are cutting the cost "Corners", hopefully that is the only way they are cutting corners on their guns.
How much could they possibly be saving with the plastic trigger (same goes for some Diana air rifles)?
Is this a strategy to reduce the planned obsolescence time period, so people will have to get repairs or replacements sooner?
-W
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In all fairness, the revised plastic trigger seems durable enough, that said, I've literally only sent 20 pellets through the said gun so I'm not really in a position to report on longevity.
I do prefer the cosmetic aspect of the gold trigger, though, & it will clearly be more rugged.
It's so sad to see petty cost cutting such as this, and like as already been mentioned, is this the only thing that's been downgraded?
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The email does not say why they changed.
It only confirms that there was a production change and leaves it open as to whether its permanent or not. I may be wrong but my gut feeling is that they ran out of the gold triggers and had to substitute the black ones to support production. I find it interesting that he stated that other hatsan models changed also.
My guy said that he had heard some squawking about it and he had to check into it to see what was up. The two triggers may function the same but the gold ones look way better. Imho
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Well that confirms it. The new generation of superchargers will not have the gold triggers and this will be a permanent change. I don't know how this will work out in long haul. Metal sears and plastic trigger? Makes me wonder what else they changed in the trigger group? Oh well we will see.
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Had a great day shooting today, and think I've found the best pellet for my 177.
These are rested at 12 yards, zero wind, using the stock sights.
If I had standard blade open sights as found on most other pistols, I'd no doubt improve on this, as I find the "tru glo" sights on the Hatsan tend to cover/drown about 1" of the target at only 10 yards making accuracy more difficult IMO.
Here are the results using QYS Domed 8.48g .177 pellets. Ignoring the 2 pulled shots, the grouping is just under 19mm on one set.
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Looking good! What sort of hold are you using?
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Looking good! What sort of hold are you using?
These are rested shots on a pack of baby wipes on top of a solid box ;D, but I'm holding the pistol grips firmly - completely the opposite to a light grip & hold (artillery hold) as I'd normally do with any other break barrel springer.
I'm going to try freehand sometime later this week or weekend.
I've got to admit it, this is one fun pistol to shoot with an *(&^ of a punch. After about 50 breaks of the barrel in succession, though, my forearm starts feeling the strain.
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After around 300 pellets I'm now finding that the cocking cycle is now smoother, or perhaps I'm getting stronger. ;D
I've got a red dot mounted on a dovetail to weaver adaptor, but the recoil from this shakes the mount screws lose in short order - around 30 shots.
There's a scope arrestor plate on my pistol, but the scope mount shifts forward, not back.
No matter how hard I try, the best grouping I can consistently get is 18mm at about 12 yards rested with a good few in the same hole.
One inch groups require no effort at all.
What's the best grouping you guys can get?
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On a good day 1" at 20 yards. Rested and scoped.
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Its been awhile since I've read through this thread.
Does the vortex supercharger have a bleed screw in the gas piston?
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Its been awhile since I've read through this thread.
Does the vortex supercharger have a bleed screw in the gas piston?
Older models have a bleed screw but the newer models dont. All the factory replacement rams don't. I tried to order the old style ram and hatsan don't make them any more.(bummer) I like the old style. The bleed screw made turning and servicing so much easier but they were problematic.
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On a good day 1" at 20 yards. Rested and scoped.
Do you find your scope mount(s) move after a while?
I've been looking for a scope arrestor block to place in front of the dovetail to weaver adaptor, but there's not enough room on the dovetail to mount the type I can find.
These springer versions kick like a mule.
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On a good day 1" at 20 yards. Rested and scoped.
Do you find your scope mount(s) move after a while?
I've been looking for a scope arrestor block to place in front of the dovetail to weaver adaptor, but there's not enough room on the dovetail to mount the type I can find.
These springer versions kick like a mule.
Yes it's a challenge to scope one. I used a one piece offset dove tail mount with a adjustable scope stop in place of the factory stop. I could not make the pic adaptor work. What scope you trying to use?
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On a good day 1" at 20 yards. Rested and scoped.
Do you find your scope mount(s) move after a while?
I've been looking for a scope arrestor block to place in front of the dovetail to weaver adaptor, but there's not enough room on the dovetail to mount the type I can find.
These springer versions kick like a mule.
Yes it's a challenge to scope one. I used a one piece offset dove tail mount with a adjustable scope stop in place of the factory stop. I could not make the pic adaptor work. What scope you trying to use?
I'm currently using a cheap Chinese reflex red dot as seen all over eBay. It is weaver mount, so I had to use a weaver to dovetail adaptor.
I did buy a Leapers offset dovetail mount like yourself, and was considering fitting a 2x20 scope I have, but I'm concerned the harsh recoil will toast the scope in short order. ;D
I've still got the Leapers offset mount & scope, but don't know whether to fit it or not.
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Derek
To my surprise I put a cheap NCStar 2.5x30 on one of mine and It has lasted for a few years now!
I guess it's all about the luck of the draw. There is not much choice in scopes when it comes to scoping this beast. I found out hard the way that you really need a short scope around 8.5 inches or so to get enough adjustability for proper eye relief. If scope is to long you will not clear the barrel when cocking and when you slide the scope back to clear the barrel you have to much eye relief. I have found that this scope works for me but it would be nice to have a little more magnification . I guess I could have used a set of elevator scope mounts but that would look weird I think.
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Neither the .22 springer nor the suped up .177 vortex supercharger have eaten up the 2 x 20 Crosman pistol scope. Still kickin...
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I'll have a go at fitting mine sometime later next week & hope for the best. ;D
The PAO 2x20 isn't expensive, so if I only get 6 months out of it, the fun of it will be worth it.
A bit off topic, but I hear people saying the HW45 kicks like a mule - but is the Supercharger worse or better in terms of recoil?
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Here is what I have to hold optis on my 25 super charger, and Super Tacts, no scope creep in years.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076ZJ2H8S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076ZJ2H8S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/21YfX25d6lL._AC_.jpg)
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Here is what I have to hold optis on my 25 super charger, and Super Tacts, no scope creep in years.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076ZJ2H8S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076ZJ2H8S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?)
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/21YfX25d6lL._AC_.jpg)
I've got a mount similar with 4 bolts, but it still shifts after around 30 shots.
I should perhaps tighten it down more, but I don't like torquing down to hard.
This BKL weaver to dovetail looks really good with all the bolts, but it's expensive. I've got BKL 2 piece mounts on some of my Weihrauch rifles, and they are significantly better than sportsmatch, leapers, and all the other cheap mounts so I might invest in one.
https://www.bkltech.com/BKL-4-Dovetail-to-Weaver-Adaptor-p/bkl-568.htm (https://www.bkltech.com/BKL-4-Dovetail-to-Weaver-Adaptor-p/bkl-568.htm)
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That BKL will hold for sure, I have used them on magnum springers. Id say try more torque, and another trick people have used, is put a thin coat od polishing grit on the rail groves before mounting, that gives a micro bite to the smooth metals.
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That BKL will hold for sure, I have used them on magnum springers. Id say try more torque, and another trick people have used, is put a thin coat od polishing grit on the rail groves before mounting, that gives a micro bite to the smooth metals.
I'll go for the BKL, and good shout on the polishing grit.
The BKL-568 is £60 over here (around $90) but only around $40 in the America's.
Crosman gear is also 3 or 4x the price over here, so you guys are real lucky.
You've got it good. 8)
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Except when we want fancy stuff from accross the pond ;)
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Except when we want fancy stuff from accross the pond ;)
Haha, I hear you.
I don't think you're missing much, as the only UK guns we can offer are Air Arms, though, maybe the odd other one that skips my mind.
Air Arms are decent, but I can't recall anything else made here that is. ;D
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I have the same, inexpensive offset mount as recommended first. It did move on me for a bit and I found myself retightening it. Then it just stopped. Not sure why it would need a break in period but it did and works great on both superchargers.
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Not sure why it would need a break in period but it did and works great on both superchargers.
Sometimes even metal needs to stretch and settle in a bit.
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When I had a scope mounted on my Supercharger, I used one of the Airforce Airguns adaptors and my scope never moved.
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It's been nearly a year since I posted this thread, and I've not used my mod 25 Supercharger in around 10 months.
I must blow the dust off it & give it another go.
How are you guys getting on with yours? Any problems, breakages, etc'?
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My .177 vortex piston broke, probably because I pumped it up well beyond max recommended psi. It was such a workout. I miss it.
The .22 springers are underpowered enough to ricochet off the wood setup I had beennusing regularly, but now I have a trap and a chrony. Maybe it's time to take another look.
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I have the .177. Coclking is not nearly as hard as people say. The trigger can be adjusted to a light pull. It is quite accurate; .5" spread in 10 yards. I will recommend it.