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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Yng@hrt on August 21, 2018, 01:15:37 PM
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It’s been quite the journey but almost there; a checkered & early model 342 are kicking my butt but I’ll keep putten along until it’s done.
If wrong thread please feel free to relocate. Any way here’s the collection as it stands now…
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Wow Marty ! Dazzling ! :) Very Nice Collection of Fine Rifles! Best Wishes - Tom
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Don't forget a 3100 and 3120. I had a minty 3120 at one point, Gamo .22 lead balls really pack a wallop!
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Thanks Tom. ;)
Yep had my sights on a 3100 that got away...
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Wow, you are the definition of a completist!
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Not to worry Steve. I have this Benji addiction well under control...
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VERY nice collection Marty !!!
The 3rd one from the bottom is listed as a '90 312, is that not a 342?
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Nice Benji collection Marty. You definitely need a 342 or two to complete that collection.
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Thanks for pointing that out Kelvin.
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Nice Benji collection Marty. You definitely need a 342 or two to complete that collection.
Thank you Dave. I'll be searching best I can for the checkered & tootsie 342. ;)
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PM me, I may have one or both of those in my pile-o-airguns.
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PM me, I may have one or both of those in my pile-o-airguns.
In a pile? ??? Ok...PM sent. Thanks
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Thanks Tom. ;)
Yep had my sights on a 3100 that got away...
Nice collection. My second airgun was a 3100. Just keep looking.
Gary
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I sent a pic of the collection to Danny Garvin over at AVA. He wants individual pix for the gallery. Pretty cool.
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I see my '56 would slip nicely between the '42 and the '74. You might need to expand that rack someday. Tom
Is that little yellow spot under the dog original?
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Nicer collection, I had a chance to adopt a '77 checkered 342 from my mom's neighbor and really wish I had accepted it.
Needed a reaseal, linkage pivot, and an external part or two so I passed but really wish I hadn't
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I sent a pic of the collection to Danny Garvin over at AVA. He wants individual pix for the gallery. Pretty cool.
Very cool, did you ever think you may have the most complete Benjamin collection in the world?
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I see my '56 would slip nicely between the '42 and the '74. You might need to expand that rack someday. Tom
Is that little yellow spot under the dog original?
Sure would like to see that '56. Feel free to post a pic.
No on the yellow spot. lol
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Nicer collection, I had a chance to adopt a '77 checkered 342 from my mom's neighbor and really wish I had accepted it.
Needed a reaseal, linkage pivot, and an external part or two so I passed but really wish I hadn't
Thanks David. Looking back I'm sure there are several we wish we would have kept.
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I sent a pic of the collection to Danny Garvin over at AVA. He wants individual pix for the gallery. Pretty cool.
Very cool, did you ever think you may have the most complete Benjamin collection in the world?
I never really thought about that Steve. In hindsight I guess the ’42 kind of sets this collection apart. The funny thing is it pretty much fell into my lap. I placed an ad here on GTA for a 312 which is how I acquired the ’74. This same gentleman sent me pix of his ’42 312. The gun by itself didn’t raise much of a red flag but the box did, especially the scene with the hunter & his dog. The same type box & its gun showed up on the bay the following day & ran for several days, longer than most. Only two guys were bidding til the second to the last day then another bidder showed up & led the pack. His bid held for the final seconds then I slipped in. Felt pretty fortunate about this one.
There are at least three others I feel pretty good about; the S392P’s & the ’90 342. The 392’s actually seemed pretty easy to find at the time. I know now this couldn’t be farther from the truth. I have spent countless hours searching for more & they are without a doubt a needle in a hay stack.
As for the ’90 342 it is a key model for this collection in that it is the last year for the 34x before transitioning into the 39x & it is absolutely flawless. The other significance for me is that it was owned by perhaps the most knowledgeable individual on the planet with respect to these models.
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Don't forget the 710 and 720!! One of these was a multi-shot with an extra air chamber hidden in the stock. Very interesting gun, supposed to get two or maybe three shots off one pumping. The original ACP.
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Thanks for letting me know Jon! I've been staying away from smooth bore samples but this one sounds interesting. There's also the 322 I've decided to set my sights on as well. Seems it ran from '34 - '40. Would be another nice transition model.
...& I'm sure there are other .22's out there I need to become familiar with. I don't think the search will ever end. ;)
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NICE ONES !!
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Thanks Steve. Means a lot. ;)
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I know someone who has an absolutely " PRISTINE " Model 310 ! I just don't know why he won't sell it to me !
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You certainly got my attention with that one Steve.
The more research I do the more challenging & larger this collection gets, made even harder searching for above average examples.
Wanted; 342 (checkered & boxed) although I just located an excellent sample from one of the members, 342 (tootsie/boxed), 312,317 & 310 (prewar & boxed), model 700 repeater, model 300, models D, G, F/E, & of course any S392P.
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You have just barely broken the ice my friend....
There's a whole other World out there.... It's called the World of Pistols.
Happy hunting.
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^^^ Yep. Still searching for that 12 step program…He’s a beaut!
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Might as well ad a Vintage Benji CO2 to the list... especially living where you do. ;)
There was a 362 that was manufactured between 1958 and 1959. As well as a 3600 "repeater" version.
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/DSCN6546-600x450.jpg)
(http://www.vintageairguns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/wppa/1475.jpg?ver=1)
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... just when you thought it was safe to go back to the auction sites...
Muhahahaha
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^^^ Yep. Still searching for that 12 step program…He’s a beaut!
Thanks..
serial number shows it to be '79 - '80. Some of the papers have print dates from the late '70s.
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Hmmm...
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Might as well ad a Vintage Benji CO2 to the list... especially living where you do. ;)
There was a 362 that was manufactured between 1958 and 1959. As well as a 3600 "repeater" version.
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/DSCN6546-600x450.jpg)
(http://www.vintageairguns.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/wppa/1475.jpg?ver=1)
U tease... :D
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This is the ONLY one of these I have ever seen !!
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^^^ that would complete any Benji collection!
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Hmmm...
That will be earlier than mine. It has the wood grips. The tootsie on mine is wood but the grips are bakilite. (spelling)
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Hmmm...
That will be earlier than mine. It has the wood grips. The tootsie on mine is wood but the grips are bakilite. (spelling)
Si...& comes with all the goodies. ;)
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Jump on in big fella... ;)
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Yup...sometimes these things happen when searching for something else & its hard not to take a serious look.
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This is the ONLY one of these I have ever seen !!
Look what surfaced over night...shipped Dec. '87.
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OK, the 2nd one I have ever seen. HEAVY item.
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^^^Explains the $25 shipping charge. ;)
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Super cool. I honestly didn't read much of the thread.... just blew up that first photo and stared....
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Look what surfaced over night...shipped Dec. '87.
That is some long ^&* post time...I would be writing UPS.
;)
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^^^I was going to say but knew someone would pick up on it... ;)
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Super cool. I honestly didn't read much of the thread.... just blew up that first photo and stared....
Thanks P. O. I.
Don't ask why but I'm just about as excited about this thing as I am with the Benji's.
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Submitted four Benji’s from the collection for consideration into the AVA Gallery, so far so good…
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/benjamin/benjamin-rifles/#post-3234
https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/benjamin/benjamin-rifles/#post-3281
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This is with out a doubt an exciting addition to this collection. 31 years old but it looks brand new & the action of the spinners are as smooth as silk. It weighs 21 lbs but it sure seems heavier than that. They certainly don't make them like they use to.
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My latest addition to the collection arrived this past Saturday. A July of '53 Benji Model 137. First time owning a short gun with the tootsie forearm grip & I am amazed something so small can survive in this condition 67 years. It is solid as a rock & appears to be shooting at full power. Amazing overall condition.
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That's a beauty! About a year older than me- sure wish I'd have held up that good! lol
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That is very nice. For some reason I am attracted to the old front pump Benjamin. Saw a couple at air gun shows. Seems much smaller than I thought. When in full finish they look like a blued pistol.
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Thanks Mark & Steve. Benjamin was certainly ahead of its time. The quality & engineering is pretty impressive.
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When in full finish they look like a blued pistol.
There are similarities in this guns finish & that of the Pre War 312. This gun does not appear to have had a round chambered, much like the 312 but both blued finishes are the same. I think it would be safe to say Benjamin was still trying to perfect its bluing technique. The under layered silver tone is quite pronounced on Both guns.
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Interesting post from B.B.
kimi,
First, you own a Benjamin model 137, not a Benjamin Franklin. The name on the side of the gun is in quotes to indicate that it’s just a play on the company name.
A Benjamin 137 can be worth $20 for a parts gun all the way up to perhaps $110 if the gun has all the black nickle over all the silver nickle plating and is in the box. If you have a painted gun rather than a plated one, subtract $20 from the high number.
If the gun is down to brass all over but still works, it’s worth $40 or so.
To be worth the higher figure, the gun must be working.
B.B.
It's a clip from this blog.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/08/dont-be-fooled-shop-for-those-vintage-airguns/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/08/dont-be-fooled-shop-for-those-vintage-airguns/)
I would have thought my boxed 137 would have been worth more...
mind you.. that blog is from 2005.
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^^^Sounds about right ($) for 15 years ago.
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There are a couple of reasons the early 340 series have been on my radar. One, the safety mechanism transitioned from the right side of the receiver on the 310 series, to the push-pull at the top of the pistol grip, & two, the “Tootsie” forearm grip remained until it transitioned into the “Checkered” grip. So “for now” the only one that remains is the checkered 340 series. After this, I’ll begin researching those strange looking front pumper’s. I haven’t a clue what those models are about.
Here is the “Tootsie” 347. quite possibly the King of this collection. If this isn’t eye candy, I don’t know what is…
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Just to add another twist to your collection.
Between the "Tootsie" and the "Checkered" was "Smooth"
Same "slab" of wood up front but no checkering on the pump arm or pistol grip.
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342... only one left in my sights. Not interested in "collectable" quality, just a nice looking shooter.
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Just to add another twist to your collection.
Between the "Tootsie" and the "Checkered" was "Smooth"
Same "slab" of wood up front but no checkering on the pump arm or pistol grip.
It's there Scott, the 1990 342. Indecently, wasn't the checkered before the "smooth"?
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I believe you are right Marty. I resealed an '83 for a co worker some time back. His was checkered. His dad bought it new an they would shoot together when he was a boy. His dad had passed and he rediscovered the gun. He didn't want to restore it cosmetically because each scratch and dent was a memory. Man, that thing was a hammer !!
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Ya know Marty, I have asked that myself.
I think it was after, but have read conflicting stories.
Maybe it went Tootsie, checkered, smooth, then checkered again. ::)
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Model 340 Pneumatic, .177 cal. lead shot, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
later in '91 they went to the 392 production.
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Maybe it went Tootsie, checkered, smooth, then checkered again. ::)
That’s impossible Scott. It had to be after the tootsie & before the plain. I have the last year 340 series (the one in the previous pic). After ’90 came the 390 series.
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Model 340 Pneumatic, .177 cal. lead shot, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
later in '91 they went to the 392 production.
I saw that Bill. I'm still trying to make head/tails out of that. I'll need to wait until the 347 comes in (2-3wks) & check the serial number.
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I think we've learned that nothing is impossible with these older guns. Many times they finished out production runs using old and new stock mixed, albeit it's more typical of Crosman than Benji. It would be rare to find though.
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^^^I agree; model production overlapping causes much confusion. Who knows, Scott could be correct. Not in that the checkered surfaced again after the smooth but that the two could have been manufactured in the same year up until the 390 series.
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... or I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time nor the last... ;D
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You are usually spot on when it comes to these matters Scott.
Let's see if the folks over at AVA can help...
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/americanvintageairguns/viewtopic.php?p=52771&utm_medium=email#p52771 (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/americanvintageairguns/viewtopic.php?p=52771&utm_medium=email#p52771)
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The Benjamin Crosman DOM that Bill posted does have the checkered & plain grips mentioned but the tootsie grip was left out. Here is another very early 340 series with the tootsie grip...
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/first-love-classic-benjamin-347-t235228.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/first-love-classic-benjamin-347-t235228.html)
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Marty,
Thanks for putting up that old post, I know Mike loves his HW's, Walther's and his Diana dolls.
I really enjoyed his first real air gun story, brings back my memories too.
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You are welcome Andrew. I have always admired Mike's 347 & his story behind the gun. Both classics. I wish I had known about these guns growing up. Any kind of a pellet gun here in NM is unheard of although I can vaguely remember a bb gun. The more I think of it, it could have been a Red Ryder. From that it was straight to a 22 cal or a 410.
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Here is where we're at on the 3 different 340 series forearm grips;
Per Benjamin catalogs:
Tootsie-------- ‘68 thru ’71
'72 - unknown.
Plain-------------’73-‘76
Checkered---- ’77- '82 (end of Benjamin production)
There was also a photo of a 310 series with a smooth tootsie grip posted at AVA. I do not know at this point if the smooth grip was a part of the 340 series.
In addition; it is unclear what took place immediately following the '82. What I can say is that some where between the '82 & '90 the plain forearm grip surfaced again as is evident in my '90 342.
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Here is where we're at on the 3 different 340 series forearm grips;
Per Benjamin catalogs:
Tootsie-------- ‘68 thru ’71
'72 - unknown.
Plain-------------’73-‘76
Checkered---- ’77- '82 (end of Benjamin production)
There was also a photo of a 310 series with a smooth tootsie grip posted at AVA. I do not know at this point if the smooth grip was a part of the 340 series.
In addition; it is unclear what took place immediately following the '82. What I can say is that some where between the '82 & '90 the plain forearm grip surfaced again as is evident in my '90 342.
So.... I was right? :o
Between the "Tootsie" and the "Checkered" was "Smooth"
Maybe it went Tootsie, checkered, smooth, then checkered again. ::)
That’s impossible Scott. It had to be after the tootsie & before the plain. I have the last year 340 series (the one in the previous pic). After ’90 came the 390 series.
Guess nothing is "impossible" Huh... that was from my recollection back then... not any documentation.
Now...
Buddy of mine has a 310 smooth pump arm the size of a "tootsie", not a slab.
Thinks it came from "Western Auto" Store here in town back then.
I had a "western Flyer" bicycle from the same store that was a rebadged Schwinn Stingray so maybe they were a "discount" version of their own name.
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^^^You nailed it buddy! Of course there's still the time period after the checkered which was obviously back to plain.
&! That smooth tootsie you have is a rare bird! Are there any markings on that gun that can be used to date it?
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Scott, here's one Fletcher posted. According to him they were Montgomery Wards issued...
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We had a Monkey Wards here too...
Be that was it!
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Scott, here's one Fletcher posted. According to him they were Montgomery Wards issued...
I have heard that the smooth forearms were Montgomery Wards. I only have one.
Gary
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Scott, here's one Fletcher posted. According to him they were Montgomery Wards issued...
I have heard that the smooth forearms were Montgomery Wards. I only have one.
Gary
Very cool Gary. Can you post some pix of your gun?
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Not soon. It is way in the back.
Gary
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My wife was headed outside to check the mail late yesterday evening, opened the front door & there was the mail man standing there with a box. He handed her the box & my wife said; “your compressor came in”…ha? I was a little ticked thinking the auction site picked a p#s% poor box to ship the Benji in. Opened the box & there were paper egg cartons that lined the entire parameter, then bubble wrap, more bubble wrap for each gun section, & more bubble wrap for the box that had its own thick soft paper wrap held together with shrink wrap. Never seen anything like it. No wonder the shipping was so dad-gum high.
I finally got a look at the serial #; T 39583…1969. An early 34x t-roll (’68-’71).
This gun is something else. Will post pix later in the day.
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I'm enjoying this thread and seeing your collection grow.
It's also cool to look back on that comment of mine about the 342 that got away which is now sitting right in front of me.
It really makes me wish that 342 was in much better condition.
You're after a checkered 342 and that's what it used to be.
If the checkering was still in tact and the gun was worthy of your collection then that's exactly where it'd be.
I'm sure the gun you seek will find you at some point.
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Thank you David. I read the thread early this morning & was pleased to see your 342 become a reality. It's a fine Benji...be proud. As for the checkered...it'll come eventually...I've learned to be patient. Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later. ;)
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He's taken a long time to get here but well worth the wait. There is no indication the gun has ever been fired. Stiff as a board. Hard to believe but the felt oiler was still white. Needless to say I gave him a few drops of oil & lubed the linkage. Let him sit over night & he sounds like he's ready to pounce big time.
Here he is; an early Benji 347 T-roll. Serial #; T39583...1969
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He's taken a long time to get here but well worth the wait. There is no indication the gun has ever been fired. Stiff as a board. Hard to believe but the felt oiler was still white. Needless to say I gave him a few drops of oil & lubed the linkage. Let him sit over night & he sounds like he's ready to pounce big time.
Here he is; an early Benji 347 T-roll...49 years old.
That's some real beautifully figured walnut there, hard to believe someone was hiding it away in the box all these years.
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How could anyone do that?
Unless you found an old Sporting Goods Store auction and it was NOS sitting in a storage room.
Who in their right mind would buy it and then never shoot it.
AMAZING!
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How could anyone do that?
Unless you found an old Sporting Goods Store auction and it was NOS sitting in a storage room.
Who in their right mind would buy it and then never shoot it.
AMAZING!
Growing up a friend of mine actually got a few cases of 1980's baseball cards, a bunch of baseball gloves, a bunch of wood bats, and a whole case of yellow box Sheridan pellets from his ritch grandfather in Palm springs.
That's just the stuff that came from one sporting goods store he bought a lot of contents from at auction.
Their two car garage was at one time completely packed full with stuff, there could easily have been a NOS air rifle in there for all anyone knows.
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That is beautiful Marty,
Gorgeous walnut as well.
You must have the best Benji's on the planet.
They are a thing of beauty in such a small and compact package, I could just look at them all day.
Like a VW Beetle which were once common but now appreciated for their build quality and styling design .
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That is beautiful Marty,
Gorgeous walnut as well.
You must have the best Benji's on the planet.
They are a thing of beauty in such a small and compact package, I could just look at them all day.
Like a VW Beetle which were once common but now appreciated for their build quality and styling design .
The Tootsie roll benjies really are a slim svelt little rifle, I really didn't know till I got it in hand just how nice of a feel they have.
They don't feel like a toy or a tiny kids gun, they just feel like an air rifle.
Good balance and not to lightweight or heavy.
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Marty I have a 1974 347 and It Is smooth,looking at the years It should have been checkered. My guess maybe the barrel has been swapped around.
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Thanks for the nice complements guys. I feel very fortunate to have found all guns in this collection.
I tried real hard to give you a true sense of what this 347's stock looks like in direct sun light. It's incredible. The only way I can explain it is velvet or silk. Pretty intense & changes with the slightest tilt.
Here are a couple more pix...
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Marty I have a 1974 347 and It Is smooth,looking at the years It should have been checkered. My guess maybe the barrel has been swapped around.
I'll take a look at it again in the morning & try to sort things out. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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If I wasn't already sitting down, I would have had to sit down.
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When I picked up this 347 It looked to have moisture/water damage. The bolt has some pitting along with the trigger guard and the wood also.
with the way this looked It wasn't tampered with but you never know. Thanks for looking Into It.
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Marty I have a 1974 347 and It Is smooth,looking at the years It should have been checkered. My guess maybe the barrel has been swapped around.
John, here is a direct quote from DTFletcher who is an authority in dating all Vintage airguns. He uses strictly airgun docs to support his findings. According to him the information Crosman used for this; Benjamin & Sheridan Dates of Manufacture which most of us use for dating our airguns came from him.
Per Benjamin catalogs:
340-series intro was February 1968 w/tootsie roll and all catalogs through 1971 are shown w t-roll.
I do not have 1972 cat.
1973-1976 catalog has smooth forearm. 1977-on checkered.
So based on this information your '74's smooth forearm is legit. I would like to see your gun. Can you post pix? If not you can send a photo to my email address; vsotero78@yahoo.com
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^^^Along these same lines...the confusion might have come from my first post showing all the guns. I had '74 on the first 312 (2nd from the bottom). This was the information given to me from the seller. Obviously it was wrong. Here is a pic from the guns "Instruction Sheet" which clearly shows '68. Correction made. Again, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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Here is this guns (347) “Instruction Sheet” which is also dated 1968. This is about as close as one can come to finding a transitional piece of a 310 series to the 340 series.
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The first bolt O-Ring doesn't show up in this collection until 1990. Does anyone know the year it was introduced?
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1942 Benji 312 (Pre-war).
As a side note; the wood on this gun is in excellent condition. The blueing on the other hand has worn considerably to the point where much of the nickel under coat is showing. The gun is 76 years old so my guess is this is an example of Benjamin's early attempt at blueing.
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1968 Benji 312.
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1990 Benji 342.
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Very pristine. 8)
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Marty, thanks for how you have been listing your photos. It makes it a lot easier to save them w/o needing to rewrite the descriptions!
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1968 Benji 312.
Beautiful wood on this 312.
I had no clue they had already started using combed stocks in '68, would this perhaps be a Deluxe model ?
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Very pristine. 8)
Thanks Dave. This is fun although there's a nip in the are. Almost C-tail time. :)
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Marty, thanks for how you have been listing your photos. It makes it a lot easier to save them w/o needing to rewrite the descriptions!
You're welcome Mark. I thought I would also post all of them here. Makes it a lot easier than searching several threads to find them. I'll have them all up eventually.
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1968 Benji 312.
Beautiful wood on this 312.
I had no clue they had already started using combed stocks in '68, would this perhaps be a Deluxe model ?
I've been meaning to run the tape on a few of them David to find out. Thanks for reminding me. ;)
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1996 Benjamin 392PA. Same trigger group as the Benji 392P. Williams sight added.
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1991 Benji S392P.
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1993 Benji 397P.
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1995 Benji S397P.
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1993 S397P.
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1991 S392P.
Well there it is...the collection as it stands now. Still looking for the checkered needle in the hay stack. Found a smooth bore but the guy selling it was some kind of weird. Decided to back away.
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I've gotta say, I like the looks of the longer forearms on those 392p and 397p's.
They look way better than the later ones with the cast trigger groups.
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I agree David. I have never cared for that other trigger group.
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I agree David. I have never cared for that other trigger group.
I just don't find the stock shape to be appealing.
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I could go on & on about what I don't like about the later models; the stock as you mentioned, the trigger group, the thin pistol grip & that atrocious thin thick forearm. I can't stand that thing.
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I could go on & on about what I don't like about the later models; the stock as you mentioned, the trigger group, the thin pistol grip & that atrocious thin thick forearm. I can't stand that thing.
Of course.
Those who own them love them for what they are though, so I suppose I can't hate on them too much no matter how sad It was to see where Crosman has taken the Sheridan and Benjamin names.
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Maybe another prewar 312 find. I examined what I could from the sellers pix but won't know for certain until the gun arrives. Clearly the box looks correct, the gun looks identical to mine, & there is a 'Green Back' doc that should be dated '41-'42. I'll fill you in once I know it's hit the road. Should happen sometime today. What I can say is it wouldn't be happening if not for one of our members; 19Sheridan57...thanks Steve!
I'll post a pic here but discussion cont'd here; https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146362.100 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146362.100)
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You know, you are helping re-write the book on these Marty.
For so long it was believed the 312 was not brought out until 1946.
The fact that you are finding them "PRE-war" is no small feat and I find quite amazing..
Now you have me wondering the vintage of mine. All I "knew" was it was a first variant. I thought the earliest it could be was 1946.
Scott
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I hope so Scott. I'll continue this over on that other thread.
Thanks
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I finally found my needle in the haystack 1st variant (checkered stock & forend) 342. He's the missing link in my collection between the "Tootsie" & 2nd variant (w/o checkered stock & forend). His serial # is; T435043 which dates him sometime between '82 & '86. I say this because "dates of manufacture" are vaque on this last run.
A money order is headed to the seller so with any luck it should ship my way by this coming weekend.
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Marty,
Will this one complete all the Benji models in your collection or are there other variants still to be found?
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Marty,
Will this one complete all the Benji models in your collection or are there other variants still to be found?
I have no desire to purchase any of the CO2, smooth bore, or the early or late model Benji’s. None of those appeal to me. There are however two more that I might consider; one is the smooth forearm tootsie like version, & the other is one that keeps surfacing in my searches, it has a checkered forearm & a smooth stock or vice versa. At first I thought maybe folks were switching out forearms/stocks but there is no reason I can think of as to why those wouldn’t have been purchase in this configuration new. Nothing scientific just the old adage use up what you already have.
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Very interesting Marty!
You say it's a checkered first variant... between the tootsie and the smooth?
I often thought they went tootsie, checkered, smooth then checkered again at the end of the 342 run. But have mixed info regarding this.
I bought my first Benji about 1977-78 and I thought for sure it was checkered. Yet have never found supporting evidence.
Yet you say your soon to come rifle is a first variant is....
Checkered between the "Tootsie" & 2nd variant (w/o checkered stock & forend). His serial # is; T435043 which dates him sometime between '82 & '86.
Now, my current 342 find is smooth with serial # T130233, well before yours was built.
And at the earliest your serial could be is 1982...
What leads you to believe it was before the smooth stock and forearm?
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From Benjamin’s production date page:
Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.). 1968-1986
Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.). 1986-1991
https://www.crosman.com/discover/crosman/benjamin-product-dates (https://www.crosman.com/discover/crosman/benjamin-product-dates)
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Scott, here's a copy paste directly from the Benjamin & Sheridan manufacture dates;
Model 340 Pneumatic, .177 cal. lead shot, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump & checkered stock & fore end (1st var.) Rifle 1968-1986
Model 347 Pneumatic, .177 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
Beat me to it Dave...thanks. ;)
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Now, my current 342 find is smooth with serial # T130233, well before yours was built.
And at the earliest your serial could be is 1982...
What leads you to believe it was before the smooth stock and forearm?
That has me baffled. Look down the last column (PRODUCTION REFERENCE CHART) & tell me which of those on the list best describes your "'72"?
...can you also post a pick of that serial#?
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Quite confusing... the only difference I see listed between the Var 1 ( checkered stock & fore end) and Var 2 (w/o checkered stock & fore end) is the wood. Is there any other differences to help narrow it down?
Here is a pic of my serial number.
Also here is a pic of a 1974 Benjamin advertisement showing it smooth, along side the 3100 and 3120 still being a tootsie roll.
Then a 1983 advertisement showing it checkered.
I hope the quality is good enough you can zoom in.
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I'd be more apt to believe Crosman's printed info than an artist's rendering. Maybe the artist didn't get the memo on the checkering? ???
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Pretty sure Marty nailed it.... use up what you have.
I know from research that they did this.
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Quite confusing... the only difference I see listed between the Var 1 ( checkered stock & fore end) and Var 2 (w/o checkered stock & fore end) is the wood. Is there any other differences to help narrow it down?
Here is a pic of my serial number.
Also here is a pic of a 1974 Benjamin advertisement showing it smooth, along side the 3100 and 3120 still being a tootsie roll.
Then a 1983 advertisement showing it checkered.
I hope the quality is good enough you can zoom in.
Sorry Scott. Looks like that bridge has already been crossed. Reply #71 which has to be correct given the gentleman that researched it for me over on AVA.
Per Benjamin catalogs:
Tootsie-------- ‘68 thru ’71
'72 - unknown.
Plain-------------’73-‘76
Checkered---- ’77- '82 (end of Benjamin production)
Looks like I still need to find one like your's. ;)
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Pretty sure Marty nailed it.... use up what you have.
I know from research that they did this.
I thought so too Bill. Now I'm more inclined to believe the mismatched Benji's had more to do with the end of production 34X. Have you or anyone else seen those mismatched checkered & smooth versions I was referring to?
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Quite confusing... the only difference I see listed between the Var 1 ( checkered stock & fore end) and Var 2 (w/o checkered stock & fore end) is the wood. Is there any other differences to help narrow it down?
Here is a pic of my serial number.
Also here is a pic of a 1974 Benjamin advertisement showing it smooth, along side the 3100 and 3120 still being a tootsie roll.
Then a 1983 advertisement showing it checkered.
I hope the quality is good enough you can zoom in.
Sorry Scott. Looks like that bridge has already been crossed. Reply #71 which has to be correct given the gentleman that researched it for me over on AVA.
Per Benjamin catalogs:
Tootsie-------- ‘68 thru ’71
'72 - unknown.
Plain-------------’73-‘76
Checkered---- ’77- '82 (end of Benjamin production)
Looks like I still need to find one like your's. ;)
This is what I had found in real world as well... contrary to Crosmans data
Tootsie, smooth, checkered.
I'd be more apt to believe Crosman's printed info than an artist's rendering. Maybe the artist didn't get the memo on the checkering? ???
I would trust Benjamin's advertisements shown, hard to believe they would both be screwed up being 9 years apart. Bare in mind this was by the Company that was actually making them then, not someone who bought them and posted info on the internet decades later. ::)
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Quite confusing... the only difference I see listed between the Var 1 ( checkered stock & fore end) and Var 2 (w/o checkered stock & fore end) is the wood. Is there any other differences to help narrow it down?
Here is a pic of my serial number.
Also here is a pic of a 1974 Benjamin advertisement showing it smooth, along side the 3100 and 3120 still being a tootsie roll.
Then a 1983 advertisement showing it checkered.
I hope the quality is good enough you can zoom in.
Sorry Scott. Looks like that bridge has already been crossed. Reply #71 which has to be correct given the gentleman that researched it for me over on AVA.
Per Benjamin catalogs:
Tootsie-------- ‘68 thru ’71
'72 - unknown.
Plain-------------’73-‘76
Checkered---- ’77- '82 (end of Benjamin production)
Looks like I still need to find one like your's. ;)
This is what I had found in real world as well... contrary to Crosmans data
Tootsie, smooth, checkered.
I agree with both you & the AVA guy to a point. This portion of Crosman's data is correct; Model 342 Pneumatic, .22 cal. pellet, single shot w/ under lever pump w/o checkered stock & fore end (2nd var.) Rifle 1986-1991
So all the research I have done concludes the 34X began w/the smooth stock & forearm, checkered, & back to smooth again. Then there was a mismatch of checkered & smooth to rid inventory.
Here's my end of 342 production gun w/o checkering (serial# 250193);
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Definitely a nice gun.
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Indeed. ;D
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Thank you Bill & Dave. A couple of my Benji's aren't this nice but the majority of them are. It takes a special kind of owner to keep them in this condition. Especially when you consider their age. Hat's off to whomever they were.
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Checkered Benji made it in this evening. Will post pix manana...
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Hmmmm. one like that may strike my "fancy". ;)
can't wait to see the pics.
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Is there any other differences to help narrow it down?
Maybe- the first item that stood out inspecting the checkered Benji's box was; "New rugged, square top ramp-type Front Sight". I then cross referenced your flyers & the same info was found (on both). Interesting that both the old front sight & new sight is found on both flyers which leads one to believe that both were being produced/or sold at the same time. Also note that the same doc was used for both the plain & checkered versions.
Hopefully this sheds some light although it seems to complicate matters even more since there appears to be no rhyme or reason behind how these guns were produced or sold.
Note that the latest version 342's front sight changed again...
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Checkered Benjamin 342. Very pleased with this find. His checkering & overall condition is very nice.
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That's really nice Marty!
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Thank you Dave. Only a couple more to go. I think I'll concentrate on the Montgomery Wards smooth tootsie version, & an early model 342. I am curious to know if there is some sort of consistency with Scott's early 342 w/o checkering. I think I'll call it good after those two. I say I think because it's tough to say no to just about any of these if a nice one comes around. ;)
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Here are my two "smooth" 342s. Top one is Steroided, bottom one stock
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Those are beauties Dave! My stock 342's have some serious thump. I would imagine your steroided 342 is a sledge hammer.
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Thanks Marty. I had considered refinishing both rifle's stocks. But I like the stickers on the butt stocks, so decided to keep them original.
The Steroided one is a hard hitter & can really drive a 28g Eun Jin.
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The Steroided one is a hard hitter & can really drive a 28g Eun Jin.
Dave; do you know what the fps is?
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I would have to find my notes. But if memory serves me, I believe I was getting about 22fpe when pumped 10 times. So somewhere around 600fps. Like I said, I'll have to find the chrony records. :-\
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That's ok Dave. I was more interested on your guns fpe. That's impressive & makes me want one eventually.
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Did a GTA forum search. Found this from back in August of 2015. No exact numbers, but it was back when it was fresh in my memory.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95653.msg895166#msg895166 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=95653.msg895166#msg895166)
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Dave, thanks for taking the time to do the search. Done that a few times & it does take time. Good info!
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Checkered Benjamin 342. Very pleased with this find. His checkering & overall condition is very nice.
Marty.....that's a really nice rifle ! ;)
You are developing an exquisite collection of exceptional air guns.
You should take a picture of ALL of your Air Guns with them together, in one group.
Best Wishes - Tom
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^^^ Do they actually make a camera that big? ;)
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Thanks Tom & that group shot has crossed my mind but I think Dave might have a point there. :)
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Marty, I suspect you're going to need a panorama lens for that photo.
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I suppose Dave. One way or another we'll figure it out. Currently I'm taking all of them down to expose the trigger assembly & bolt & photographing to show the changes that took place through the years. Some interesting finds for sure. One in particular is the bolt on my late model 342. Stumped some real experts until it was confirmed as factory by cross referencing his part number & those on my schematic's & parts list. In fact this gentleman had several sitting around his shop not knowing what they were for.
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Nope, lay them out and close up the gaps then stand back... You can do this!
*please*
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LOL...Scott.
I don't know if you guys recall but I posed a question a while back asking if anyone knew when Benjamin started using the O-ring on the bolt. Well now I know...it began with the late model 342 & only the 342. The 347 had an entirely different bolt. It was assumed the O-ring first surfaced with the 39X.
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Scott...there are two trigger assemblies & bolts I would like to see. One is your early production 342. Attached is the type pic I'm looking for. Can you post a pic of yours in much the same way?
The other one is the Montgomery Wards model. If anyone has this gun please post a pic in the same configuration.
Thanks!
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Nope, lay them out and close up the gaps then stand back... You can do this!
*please*
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LOL!
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:( I just realized I do not have a classic Benjamin in my collection :o
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It looks like I'll be searching for another Benji. I have never seen a 312 with this rear sight. I think this change is significant enough to add one to the collection. There are two on the bay right now. Unfortunately
their they're both in rough shape.
Serial#; H52111
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I promise not to bid against you :)
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It looks like I'll be searching for another Benji. I have never seen a 312 with this rear sight. I think this change is significant enough to add one to the collection. There are two on the bay right now. Unfortunately their both in rough shape.
Serial#; H52111
Aaahh. I thought you were referring to the rear sight on your original ebay link, which is a V-Bar.
Good eye on that other one. I might have caught it but I'm not into Benji's (yet, so watch out!! ;))
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I promise not to bid against you :)
I'll make a note of that James. ;)
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It looks like I'll be searching for another Benji. I have never seen a 312 with this rear sight. I think this change is significant enough to add one to the collection. There are two on the bay right now. Unfortunately their both in rough shape.
Serial#; H52111
Aaahh. I thought you were referring to the rear sight on your original ebay link, which is a V-Bar.
Good eye on that other one. I might have caught it but I'm not into Benji's (yet, so watch out!! ;))
Thanks for posting that link over at the other thread Dennis. No telling how long it would have taken for me to notice that change.
Here's the other 312 that's currently on there (bay)...
To whomever...any other significant changes I'm unaware of please bring them to my attention.
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Thanks for posting that link over at the other thread Dennis. No telling how long it would have taken for me to notice that change.
No problem.
Re: that other thread "What am I missing here?" (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154886.new#new) - You were referring to why someone would pay that much for a gun in such poor condition, right?
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Exactly Dennis. That particular gun looks like it was submerged in a swamp for decades. There isn't a whole lot that can be salvaged if any & at over $100 for parts. ??? I can only imagine what the insides are like.
On the flip side it is a model anyone interested should look for. #1 being the "tootsie roll" forearm, & two that fully adjustable rear sight. Although this sight is not the best for precise shooting I think it is very well engineered for it's time & one of the best looking IMHO.
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Well, there must be a lot of swamp lovers out there. As of this writing, 37 bidders @ $99. Must be bidding one dollar at a time.
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My latest Benji contact...sent me these photos a few days ago. Asked if I'd be interested in any... :o
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Man ! That's a lot to keep clean !
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Where is the line between a completest and a hoarder?
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This gentleman is well into his 80's & considered "THE AFICIONADO" of the Benji world. I would consider his collection as a visual file. One done with incredible knowledge & foresight. I can only imagine what is filed away in his cabinets & actual doc files. No sir, this is an absolute treasure.
This is what I consider hoarding...
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Nope, lay them out and close up the gaps then stand back... You can do this!
*please*
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You talked me into it... ::)
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WOW Marty............VERY VERY NICE.... collection of Benjamin rifles !
Best Wishes - Tom
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Thank you Tom! It's getting there. ;)
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Dear Latest Benji Contact of Marty,
I have fallen in love with the 3rd, 5th and 6th rifles from the bottom left.
;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Fantastic collection. What are these btw? I think 300's?
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Dear Latest Benji Contact of Marty,
I have fallen in love with the 3rd, 5th and 6th rifles from the bottom left.
;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Fantastic collection. What are these btw? I think 300's?
I hope so Louis. He's going to give me individual photos of those exact 3. The 300 front pump is the transitional model I need...from these spawned the '42 312's.
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Amazing, for two of you to pick out the same three guns in that photo!!
You guys are GOOD!! I don't know how you do it.
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I can only speak for myself Dennis; WAY too much time on my hands. I think they call it semi-retired. ;) Fact is I'll be working til my body calls it quits.
Actually it's 5 & 6 I'm most interested in. If you look close you can see the difference on the leading end of the stock. Albeit, I still want a look at 3. The metal finish on all three is most appealing.
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Amazing, for two of you to pick out the same three guns in that photo!!
You guys are GOOD!! I don't know how you do it.
Thank you Dennis. I think it's a combination of being an airgun addict (not necessarily a healthy thing haha) and just looking for the best stocks and metalwork.
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Marty and Louis - I just really enjoy seeing "pro's" at work, and indeed I need AG therapy myself.
As for me, I suppose your observations would be akin to me spotting the subtle differences in sights on Baikal 53M's and MP532's. You pretty much have to own them to know.
I also love learning about these things so that I may know what to look for the next time I run across a Benji.
Can't wait to see those close ups of the three you're looking at as I still cannot discern the differences.
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You have just barely broken the ice my friend....
There's a whole other World out there.... It's called the World of Pistols.
Happy hunting.
Yep.
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Those are some real beauties. I have a hard enough time trying to fill in the gaps with the rifle collection. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 or 5 remain. After that it's all Dan's. ;)
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If I remember right, you dabbled in a "silver pistol" and struggled with the spring mod...
Maybe that will wet you whistle for more. ;)
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Ya, nice guns no doubt but the 137 wet's that whistle even more. ;)
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Ran across this one and got few poor pictures through the glass.
Smooth pump handle Benjamin.
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Looks like I didn't get the front sight in the picture but it appears to be the earlier one that is set back from the muzzle.
Gary
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Looks like I didn't get the front sight in the picture but it appears to be the earlier one that is set back from the muzzle.
Gary
The 312 I have is set back from the muzzle so that makes sense.
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Gary- is there a serial number on your smooth tootsie 312? Here is a pre-1957 with its front sight set back from the muzzle (currently on eBay). It also has a somewhat unique rear sight. Its serial number is H24911. I say pre-1957 because Crossman’s earliest date numbers for the 312 begin with; H59440-'57. I think the gun below is either late 40’s or early 50’s. This is one of the guns I hope to locate as a fill in the gap model.
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I hope to get another look at the one in the picture above. Will let you know and hopefully get some better shots.
I don't think any of my Benjamins have that type of sight. All are the early dovetailed sight or the ones that attach with a screw from the side.
Gary
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Thank you Gary, I look forward to your information.
One observation in looking at other smooth tootsie guns is that it appears to be the last model with the two stage nickel bluing technique. Unfortunately I have yet to find this same gun with its upper layer still intact. So it is uncertain at this time whether Benjamin used the same two stage technique or painted over the base nickel coat. Having said that, I am almost positive the one with the unique rear sight is Benjamin's first attempt to break away from the two stage nickel process as a cost saving measure. I say this because most if not all these guns I have looked at online appear to be painted & the black shows signs of flaking down to the brass.
Below is a smooth tootsie model with the obvious base nickel plating over the brass & the paint flaking off of the other model.
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Pretty excited about adding this 312 to the collection. I didn’t ask the seller too many questions. You know the drill; play dumb while negotiating price. Visually I suspect it followed the prewar Benji’s. Notice the set back front sight, same rear sight, two piece bolt, & flat head forearm fasteners. Blueing appears to be in great shape. The one doc should reveal the date. Will arrive early next week.
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On my cell phone that looks like it won the wood lottery too!
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Thank you Scott, I have several photos that were on the seller’s ad & the overall condition looks very nice including the box & docs. As mentioned above I am almost certain it followed the prewar Benji & was perhaps the last of the black nickel over silver nickel that was followed by what appears to be the worst bluing application of all Benji’s seen in the photo above (reply 191). I can’t confirm but it seems like that model’s “bluing” was painted on. I am searching for that model but finding one where the “bluing” is intact is next to impossible. It seems like it comes off in chunks, another reason I think it was paint.
The other attraction to this gun is the box. Quite possibly the first example of the smaller half box.
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I've been searching for one of these for IDK how long. Just popped up on the bay for $22.00 buy it now. Snatched it right up...
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I've been searching for one of these for IDK how long. Just popped up on the bay for $22.00 buy it now. Snatched it right up...
How rude! Just kidding ;D
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I've been searching for one of these for IDK how long. Just popped up on the bay for $22.00 buy it now. Snatched it right up...
Great get Marty!!
I love accessories like that, and especially holsters. I was able to do a similar snatch and grab BIN on a Bianchi holster for my Beeman/Webley Tempest a couple months ago. Saw yet another one on the AAG classifieds but it had been sold.
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Lol Dan.
Thanks Dennis. I've wanted one of these for a long time but have never seen one sell for under a 100 bucks. Surprised the heck out of me when I saw the price. I thought it would be nice packing either my 137 or the H9/H9A while chasing small game. Also anxious to see how well the guns fit in one of these.
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Very nice looking gun there for sure Marty !!!
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Thank you Wayne. Looks like towards the end of the week or first part of next week for delivery.
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Congratulations Marty on both the rifle and the holster ! ;D
Very Nice 312 you bought ! ;)
You've got the touch in finding and acquiring these rare guns.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Congratulations Marty on both the rifle and the holster ! ;D
Very Nice 312 you bought ! ;)
You've got the touch in finding and acquiring these rare guns.
Best Wishes - Tom
Thanks buddy! ;)
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The 312 was a bust...
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On the bright side...happy with the holster.
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That is some unusual wear on the 312.
Wonder if it is safe damage or a poor fitting bag.
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I'm not sure Scott. I have never seen barrel separation on old Benji's so I never paid that much attention to it. Can't blame anyone but myself.
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I have the action from one around here someplace that is completely separated. I mean total junk.
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Thanks for trying to soften the blow Bill. The seller might have not known about the separated barrel & I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. He only has 28 sales in 5 years & this is the only AG he has sold. All his sales seem to be flea market type finds. More of a hodgepodge of merchandise. He also has 27 positive & 1 negative review which I guess isn't too bad. So far I've had no response back but we'll see what happens. In the meantime I do have his address & phone number just in case things go south.
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If I remember right, I didn't pay anything for that 312 action. I believe someone sent it to me with something I bought. It may have had a part I needed on it.
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Good luck Marty. I always try to believe the best in people and give them the benefit of doubt.
Hopefully he'll make it right.
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Good luck Marty. I always try to believe the best in people and give them the benefit of doubt.
Hopefully he'll make it right.
... or enjoy wearing it as a necklace. (seller, that is)
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Good luck Marty. I always try to believe the best in people and give them the benefit of doubt.
Hopefully he'll make it right.
Thanks Scott. We'll see. Been about a day & a half since he was notified & still knot-en.
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Good luck Marty. I always try to believe the best in people and give them the benefit of doubt.
Hopefully he'll make it right.
... or enjoy wearing it as a necklace. (seller, that is)
Lol Bill. Not a bad idea. Maybe a charm bracelet...rear sight, front sight, cam plate, bolt handle, trigger guard...
Actually if he doesn't come through everything else about the gun isn't bad. Figure it parted out; box, docs, tin, stock, forearm grip, fasteners...etc. Maybe we'll call it a parts gun of sorts. ;)
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Or you could use it to practice soldering the barrel back on. If you're anywhere near as good as you are with carving it should work great.
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The owner refused to take the gun back…hmmm. I said to myself…self what would you do…I’d look for other auctions the seller has & post up high bids…found one that was ending…won it. Benji seller contacts me. I tell him there’s NWIH I was going to pay it. Said he will refund me my money…stay tuned.
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That feller looks familiar. Rocky and Bullwinkle?
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Close ... "Dudley Doright".
It's Snidley Whiplash....
Rocky and Bullwinkle Had Boris and Natasha.
I always voted for the underdog..... wait that was a different cartoon. ::)
BRAVO MARTY!!! Good play!
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Ah yes, Boris... always talking about "Moose and squirrel". I always thought Natasha was kind of hot.
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Cuz she was... in a Lilly Munster sortta way. ;)
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Lilly Munster... oh yeah! How about Morticia Addams? I know you like her too..... ;)
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This is what you call "derailing a thread"
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Elvira learned from them. ;)
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No sweat...all about having fun. ;)
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Ah yes, Boris... always talking about "Moose and squirrel". I always thought Natasha was kind of hot.
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Man you guys lived a sheltered life. Somethin tells me you snuck peaks into mom's sears catalog. :D
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OK... WHO TOLD?!
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Should never have put pellets in mouth when I was a kid - Long term effects just showing up now
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One of these little gals should be arriving sometime tomorrow...
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/06/benjamin-397c-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/06/benjamin-397c-part-1/)
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