I hate the way a full power 50 cocks, not just the effort but the way the force stacks up at the end of the stroke. I cut a longer slot in the stock and converted mine to one piece linkage, it cut about 8 lbs. off the cocking effort. I'm using Diana 27 linkage now but will convert to new style HW when I get a shorter link made. I'll post a picture from my phone. Richard
Bayman,..Did you think there would be much longer range improvement of a .22 HW50 over a .22 HW30?? Sorry that turned out to be a disappointment for you. From reading your past posts on different guns and range expectancies, you seem to make your standard shooting distance at the 30 yard plus range. Nothing wrong with that at all. But my more inquisitive thought process would be, “why didn’t you just buy the HW35 in .22 for a lower powered 30 yard shooter/plinker”. I think your performance expectations of the 50 is a bit over the limit. Not saying other folks don’t appreciate the great accuracy they get with the HW50 at their given ranges, and velocities prerequisites,…if any,….but in my opinion, for a lower powered .22 caliber spring piston gun at your range and velocity requirements for lessened arc trajectory requirements, you would be better served with the venerable and classic HW35 in .22. And yes it is worth the extra nickel. Ask around if you don’t believe me. Lots of folks swear by this model in .22. Including me. Pick any caliber with the 35 and you can’t go wrong. It hasn't been in continuous production since 1953(?!?) for no reason. The 35 truly is the quintessential airgun in the history of the spring piston airgun. It is that good.
Quote from: tjk on September 16, 2021, 03:45:07 PMBayman,..Did you think there would be much longer range improvement of a .22 HW50 over a .22 HW30?? Sorry that turned out to be a disappointment for you. From reading your past posts on different guns and range expectancies, you seem to make your standard shooting distance at the 30 yard plus range. Nothing wrong with that at all. But my more inquisitive thought process would be, “why didn’t you just buy the HW35 in .22 for a lower powered 30 yard shooter/plinker”. I think your performance expectations of the 50 is a bit over the limit. Not saying other folks don’t appreciate the great accuracy they get with the HW50 at their given ranges, and velocities prerequisites,…if any,….but in my opinion, for a lower powered .22 caliber spring piston gun at your range and velocity requirements for lessened arc trajectory requirements, you would be better served with the venerable and classic HW35 in .22. And yes it is worth the extra nickel. Ask around if you don’t believe me. Lots of folks swear by this model in .22. Including me. Pick any caliber with the 35 and you can’t go wrong. It hasn't been in continuous production since 1953(?!?) for no reason. The 35 truly is the quintessential airgun in the history of the spring piston airgun. It is that good.I'm sorry I don't think you understand my dilemma with the 22 Hw50 . I wasn't looking for more range over a 22 Hw30. I was comparing my efficiency with it to my 177 Hw30 set up with identical peep sights. I use them both for shooting spinners out to 50 yards and occasionally close range pesting. The Hw30 in 177 is a 700 fps, 8fpe gun with its preferred pellet (7.33 grain). My Hw50 is a 600 fps, 12fpe with its preferred pellet (14.66 grain). The 22 is 100 fps slower and has more drop. This makes it harder for me to shoot. With the 177 Hw30 I can whack 2" spinners easily at 30 yards, pretty steady at 40 yards and fairly regularly at 50 yards.Conversely same targets with my 22 caliber Hw50 (zeroed at the same range) 30 yards is fairly easy, 40 yards is occasionally and rarely hit the 50 yard.I love my 50s and have no desire to swap them for an Hw35. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the guns. This isn't a gun issue as much as a velocity issue. I need more velocity than I'm getting in 22 for the kind of shooting I'm doing with my given skills. That's all. I just wish I bought my 22 Hw50 in 177 instead. The bottom line is the 100 fps slower pellet has significantly more drop, which requires more holdover, which requires you to cover more of the target with the front sight post. With a scope and practice the extra holdover is not a big deal, with open sights it is.Also I don't think a 22 Hw35 is going to make a significant increase in velocity than the Hw50s. I thought they were both roughly 12 fpe guns. As I mentioned earlier I'll look into lighter pellets to bring the velocity of 22 up to the 700 range. I've tried 11 grain hobbies and their muzzle velocity is close but they are wadcutters and their BC is so terrible they have more drop than the heavier & slower 14 grain FTT.
Quote from: Bayman on September 16, 2021, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: tjk on September 16, 2021, 03:45:07 PMBayman,..Did you think there would be much longer range improvement of a .22 HW50 over a .22 HW30?? Sorry that turned out to be a disappointment for you. From reading your past posts on different guns and range expectancies, you seem to make your standard shooting distance at the 30 yard plus range. Nothing wrong with that at all. But my more inquisitive thought process would be, “why didn’t you just buy the HW35 in .22 for a lower powered 30 yard shooter/plinker”. I think your performance expectations of the 50 is a bit over the limit. Not saying other folks don’t appreciate the great accuracy they get with the HW50 at their given ranges, and velocities prerequisites,…if any,….but in my opinion, for a lower powered .22 caliber spring piston gun at your range and velocity requirements for lessened arc trajectory requirements, you would be better served with the venerable and classic HW35 in .22. And yes it is worth the extra nickel. Ask around if you don’t believe me. Lots of folks swear by this model in .22. Including me. Pick any caliber with the 35 and you can’t go wrong. It hasn't been in continuous production since 1953(?!?) for no reason. The 35 truly is the quintessential airgun in the history of the spring piston airgun. It is that good.I'm sorry I don't think you understand my dilemma with the 22 Hw50 . I wasn't looking for more range over a 22 Hw30. I was comparing my efficiency with it to my 177 Hw30 set up with identical peep sights. I use them both for shooting spinners out to 50 yards and occasionally close range pesting. The Hw30 in 177 is a 700 fps, 8fpe gun with its preferred pellet (7.33 grain). My Hw50 is a 600 fps, 12fpe with its preferred pellet (14.66 grain). The 22 is 100 fps slower and has more drop. This makes it harder for me to shoot. With the 177 Hw30 I can whack 2" spinners easily at 30 yards, pretty steady at 40 yards and fairly regularly at 50 yards.Conversely same targets with my 22 caliber Hw50 (zeroed at the same range) 30 yards is fairly easy, 40 yards is occasionally and rarely hit the 50 yard.I love my 50s and have no desire to swap them for an Hw35. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the guns. This isn't a gun issue as much as a velocity issue. I need more velocity than I'm getting in 22 for the kind of shooting I'm doing with my given skills. That's all. I just wish I bought my 22 Hw50 in 177 instead. The bottom line is the 100 fps slower pellet has significantly more drop, which requires more holdover, which requires you to cover more of the target with the front sight post. With a scope and practice the extra holdover is not a big deal, with open sights it is.Also I don't think a 22 Hw35 is going to make a significant increase in velocity than the Hw50s. I thought they were both roughly 12 fpe guns. As I mentioned earlier I'll look into lighter pellets to bring the velocity of 22 up to the 700 range. I've tried 11 grain hobbies and their muzzle velocity is close but they are wadcutters and their BC is so terrible they have more drop than the heavier & slower 14 grain FTT. Give the lead free .22 Predator GTO 11.75s a try. I used to hunt a property that had a no lead policy and found those pellets to deliver excellent accuracy. You should get close to 675fps out of your hw50s. R
Yes I moved the stock screws to the side. I'm going to sand the checkering off and cut grooves like a old rifle. If a person lacks skill or imagination they should just eat their Weaties
Quote from: dmflyer on September 16, 2021, 01:39:23 PMYes I moved the stock screws to the side. I'm going to sand the checkering off and cut grooves like a old rifle. If a person lacks skill or imagination they should just eat their Weaties That's very interesting to see the direct comparison between the single and double-link cocking linkage on the same gun! Appreciate the notes and pictures.I personally consider the extra effort of the double link a fair trade for the handling advantages of a shorter fore end slot, and stout single screw underneath in lieu of smaller side-mounted ones. But I can also understand why not all would agree!