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Title: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Tater on January 22, 2019, 03:09:29 PM
You would think your being safe letting two pit bulls and a bulldog out in a fenced in backyard in the afternoon. Apparently not. Check the link for pics.

https://patch.com/illinois/deerfield/coyotes-kill-pit-bull-attack-3-dogs-deerfield-backyard (https://patch.com/illinois/deerfield/coyotes-kill-pit-bull-attack-3-dogs-deerfield-backyard)Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs In Deerfield Backyard
     
Multiple coyotes are believed to have taken on a pair of pit bulls and a bulldog in a fenced-in backyard Wednesday afternoon.         By Jonah Meadows, Patch Staff  | Jan 17, 2019 9:54 pm ET | Updated Jan 18, 2019 6:21 pm ET           80         DEERFIELD, IL — A group of coyotes is suspected of attacking three dogs in a North Shore backyard, killing one pit bull and wounding another around 3 p.m. Wednesday afternoon.

Deerfield pet owner Kathy Crann believes the coyotes entered through a small hole in an otherwise fully fenced-in backyard and targeted her 17-pound French bulldog, Louie, who survived the attack with minor bites to his ears.
The two pit bulls, 4-year-old Clover and 5-year-old Maggie, each weighing close to 40 pounds, managed to save him, she believes. But only Clover, with injures to her face, was able to make it back inside. Maggie was found fatally mauled.
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     In 11 years of living at the home, Crann said she had never before seen a coyote in the yard before, although she has spotted them regularly all over Deerfield. She said her veterinarian told her the dogs were likely attacked by a group of coyotes, because one would not have taken on two pit bulls alone. Crann urged all area dog owners to keep an eye on their pets and said she plans to no longer let her dogs out in the yard alone and likely would take them on more walks.
 Pit bulls Maggie (above) Clover (left) and Louie (right) (Kathy Crann photo)

 The coyote breeding season lasts from about December to April. While their normal diet consists of rabbits, fruit and small rodents, they commonly prey on small domestic animals if the opportunity presents itself. Local police say there is little they can do about the protected wildlife and cannot intervene unless they are sick, hurt or actively attacking a person or pet. They recommended only feeding pets indoors and clearing brush or dense weeds to decrease shelter and protective cover for both rodents and coyotes.

 Coyotes spotted on the afternoon of Dec. 13 in the area of Deerfield Road and Chestnut Street. (Credit: Cathy Steinberg)Lake County officials recommend anyone who encounters a coyote in their yard to shout and wave their arms around. Whistling, horns or other intimidating behavior is recommended to reinforce the coyote's fear of people and teach it that your yard is unavailable. Although coyotes are rarely dangerous to people, they should not be approached or fed.
 Louie (left), Clover and Maggie (Kathy Crann)
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Pellgunfun on January 22, 2019, 05:13:46 PM
I've love to know just how many Coyotes there were in that "group".  Coyotes are not to be trifled with.  I'm wondering if it was 2 or 3 Wolves myself, since there were no witnesses or even any video to be had.  But then again, if it was Wolves I'd imagine that there would be no survivors.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 22, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
I've love to know just how many Coyotes there were in that "group".  Coyotes are not to be trifled with.  I'm wondering if it was 2 or 3 Wolves myself, since there were no witnesses or even any video to be had.  But then again, if it was Wolves I'd imagine that there would be no survivors.
They could also be hybrid coydogs which can be larger and more aggressive
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Yarp on January 22, 2019, 06:20:19 PM
Most states rightly classify coyotes as nuisance animals or predators, since they kill livestock and are known for taking pets from well-fenced yards and even harvesting leashed pets from their owners' hands. We see these pests throughout South Florida, and since their arrival in urban areas a few years back the local populations of possums, squirrels, rabbits, larger shore birds, and stray pets have dropped off.
 
Unfortunately Illinois protects them as furbearers, but as per the final paragraph of the Coyote section of The University of Illinois Wildlife Directory they can still be hunted outside of cities and towns.

"In rural areas, there is no limit to the number of coyotes an individual with a hunting or trapping license may take. Coyotes may be hunted year-round except during firearm deer season, when only licensed deer hunters may take coyotes"
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Lani52 on January 22, 2019, 06:36:42 PM
Two western coyotes, smaller than the hybrids, can kill any lone pooch.  I grew up on a ranch in central 
Oregon where we always had to be on the look out for them around our cow dogs.

One takes the head and one the heels.  We had trouble with them and eventually bought a large type Airedale to run with the cow dogs  from Mena Arkansas, after a year or two of getting that dog, we seldom saw coyotes in the fields and pastures.

I hunted them commercially for two seasons,  October to around the 1st week of January after retiring from Portland  PD,. IIn January the hides were not worth skinning  because when the hides broke at breeding season.

I have a picture that has 58 coyotes that I strung on a fence before going into civilaction to the fur buyers, unfortunately I can’t seen to figure out how to post pictures with either of our IPad pro’s but you folks who used to be on the Tag have seen them.

I did not trap much but called them and later ran them with Russian  wolfhound, a sport of kings right up there with elk hunting for fun.

Roachcreek
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Lani52 on January 22, 2019, 07:05:11 PM
Running them with the wolf hounds was done on the Catlow desert I se Oregon, a ancient lake bed from the last ice age.  I would drive a crossed the desert where the Roaring Springs Ranch wintered their cows, the coyotes came out after the after birth when it was calving season, at times they would eat the calf and the rear end of the cow killing both.

I would spot them and drive up to about 200 yards the wolf hounds would spot the  coyotes and dang near bust out the front windshield, they would get really excited, then I would dynamite the brakes and let the out of the cab, it resembled two large msisles going after a small plane, those rustiest were fast, they would close that 200 yards in less than a quarter mile and hit the with their chest, then pick them up by the rib cage and shake them unti the were dead.  When I would skin them, under the hide it looked like they had been hit by a 300 nag, now that gents was "dang" fun.

I had to eventually divest myself of the hounds when I moved into Burns Oregon because when the would get loose they denuded the block of pets, they were really 35 mph pit bulls with shaggy hair and long legs.

My life has been an adventure.

Roachcreek
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: hogdog4953 on January 22, 2019, 08:34:40 PM
We have lots of coyotes around me (Cook county Illinois). I see them when I go fishing early in the morning. Quite a few around the airport as they go through the garbage there, then they go back into the woods. They are also in downtown Chicago, my wife works there and she comes across them every now and then. Heck saw a fox a few days ago walking down the street and into a yard.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Tonykarter on January 22, 2019, 10:43:26 PM
Can't see coyotes doing this.  Not their MO.  We have them regularly shadow us out of the national forest after evening hunts in the dark.  Out there about 20-40 yards, yipping and yard-dogging, running back and forth parallel to us.  Somehow, they already know the path we are taking, and are careful to parallel it just out of zebralight headlamp range.  About dusk from up in the tree we hear them get up and muster-call way out in the distance, signaling the groups to assemble for the night's hunt.  We don't come down out of our climbing stands until you can't see the ground through your scope, so we are getting a late start out, and it is well after dark.   The have winded us since we entered the woods, and by the time you climb down, they are there.  I have never known them to close on a human, but it unnerves my hunting buddies something fierce, most of them already less than comfortable being alone way down in the river bottoms after dark.  Throw in some coyotes...

Especially Joe, the biggest, baddest mountain of a man.  He is scared shirtless.  But I and a couple other guys actually find value in their company out there in the dark.  I know when they are there, close, a cougar isn't.  And in those long hour and a half walks out by myself, that is all I care about.  Well, that, and snakes.  It's more like they are escorting me than anything else. And I have been doing this more than forty years and never had a run-in with any of them.  I'll take coyotes that I can hear over a cougar that I won't...anytime.

I'm thinking that attack was feral dogs rather than coyotes.  Feral pack dogs would be less fearful, gened to be bold in an urban fenced environment, comfortable inside small enclosures in the daytime.  And any coyote worth its fur would be asleep.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 23, 2019, 02:18:55 AM
I agree with Ray in that it wasn't plain coyote.  However, Illinois is well-known for coywolves.  I can't see a couple coyote getting the best of 2 pits without at least one song-dog dying.  Glad to hear the Frenchie made it though- I'd probably turn Hulk-mode and smash a lot if something hurt my Frenchie (or our Boston or Pom).  BTW: That's a pitbull for you- protect their pack.   

Incidentally, you should see the documentary on Netflix about coywolves- quite sobering.

I also know that regardless of what the law states, if a coyote or similar comes into my backyard after my dogs, it will die.  We had coyote come through this area several winters ago.  Prior to that, there were somewhere around 100+ feral cats around in the woods near my subdivision.  We have no feral cats anymore- none at all.  I don't see obvious coyote scat or tracks around the 'hood anymore, but that doesn't mean their gone for good, either.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on January 23, 2019, 07:12:43 AM
I have all kinds of predators around my place and I also live in a Gray Wolf zone.  Years ago I owned a Pressa Canario dog.  He was 148 lbs, extremely Fast & very Athletic.    He could out run and out fight anything in the woods except a large Black Bear or a Wolf Pack. He was as big as a Great Dane and looked like a "Pit Bull on Steroids".  He kept the area predator free while he was alive.  He looked a lot like the one in the picture below.. except he was striped & colored like a Tiger.     His name was Somba       One on one....a single lone Coyote... would not have stood a chance against Somba.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Lani52 on January 23, 2019, 08:18:57 AM
Tom,

Thst is a big dog.  I had a house that was the olnly place in 110 sq miles, tried all sorts of dogs to protect the three kids I raised there..  The worst one I tried was a Great Pyrenees, thinkimg it would fight a cougar or bear, to protect the kids.

Didn’t work.  One summer night a black bear tore off part of my front porch, I armed myself with a Glock 40 and in my skivies I opened the front door with the 40 in one hand and a rechargeable spot light in the other, my sleeping toddler boys were 5 or 6 feet behind me and that glass door. 

 I opened the door and was face to face with a black bear.

As I opened fire, the first shot was a contact wound, I shot three more times as it ran over a pile of ski’s,  later I found a uremoved from the porch wall as we had repainted the house that day,,and disappeared out of sight down our drive way, dragging a hind keg from the last shot.

I hit it three times in four shots with 180 noslers, in my -here-hical vision, I see that big white dog, sitting 60 feet away looking and not making a sound. 
My boys never awakened, I have no doubt that bea would have eaten them.

I was retired with a PTSD From couple shootings in Portland and a injury that left me near blind so sleep never came easy, but the thought of what that bear did and could have done leaves me awake most nights at 2 or 3 am.

I say I have shot two home intruders, I count that bear as the second one.

Bear in mind, no pun intended, I saw what the could do to a elk, and consider myself under armed with that 40, the bear was never found, I reported the incident to the OSP and the USFW, both agencies said they were happy I and my family were not hurt.

That bear ran down in the meadow and if left unmolested, I am sure it would of died ther, but about a half hour later that worthless white dog jumped it and it ran off, I found  a blood pool and bloody stool but we never found the bear which was hit hard it evidently found a hole to crawl in.  We rode that area for a week on horse back, did not ever see the ravens or magpies that usually told of a lost animal.

I really hate bears, my wife has a big stuffed one that scares the bejesus out of me regularlly as I roam the house at night with my poor vision.

I found a good Aussie Shepard will alert me in most cases to do what needs to be done.|


Sorry about the type’os, I am legally blind these days and the fact my key board keeps disappearing from my computer screen does not help.


Roachcreek
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: RobertMcC on January 23, 2019, 08:43:22 AM
2 years ago, I moved out of apartments and the city. Bought a house in rural NS. I don't think I lived there more than 6 months, before fostering a Quebec Pitbull rescue.. Then a year later another ( someone caught him on fire and left to die ) Failed as a foster, and adopted the first, then the second was match made in heaven so I had 2.

Well we got hybrid yote/wolfs in the area. I normally put one at a time on a tie out and stand out with them. One night around 11pm, was final bathroom break for the night. Just across the street I heard howling. Across is the old tracks..

I tugged on that tie out pretty "dang" fast to get the dog in. I swear it wasn't more then 100ft away.

So I'm always worried about leaving them outside alone.

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https://youtu.be/iHVmLGfeoKQ?list=UUlDa3mEoZBKvwvwz6OcEKHQ
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: ShakySarge on January 23, 2019, 09:23:09 AM
Coyotes don't care about size or breed of a dog when they run in packs of 4 or more. I have dealt with them my entire life and have seen many a large dog, or two for that matter, mauled and/or killed by small packs of yotes. Just like any other predator, when they are in groups, they tend to be less afraid of other animals, especially dogs. When a human is around they will generally keep their distance and will instead attempt to lure the dog/dogs into the forest where the rest of the pack will attack them.

It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, no dog stands a chance because the yotes have gotten hungry to the point that they are desperate. Yes, they will even attack small humans. The Coywolf is an up and coming predator now as well that is certainly not to be trifled with. Your best defense against any coyote or mix is to put them down whenever you see them, legally of course, which for the most parts means being outside of any city limits.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Frankly on January 23, 2019, 01:10:07 PM
Be glad the Coyotes didn't breed with the Pit Bull, those would be exciting.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: HunterWhite on January 23, 2019, 01:39:00 PM
My brother raised goats, coyotes too more than a dozen last year.  The neighbors had two big dogs, no help. A snare took the alfa female.
I think that they should be there, but if they start being problematic then shoot all that you see, and all that you can call in.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: RobertMcC on January 23, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
Be glad the Coyotes didn't breed with the Pit Bull, those would be exciting.

Mean jump up and lick you to death? Or turn into huge lap dogs?
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: HunterWhite on January 23, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
Be glad the Coyotes didn't breed with the Pressa Canario dog !
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Vee3 on January 23, 2019, 10:21:03 PM
One summer night a black bear tore off part of my front porch...

My Sis & BIL live in Monrovia, CA. Years back, someone near them took a video of a local bear they nicknamed Samson, in their hot tub. Coyotes walk around in broad daylight like they own the town.

"In the 1990s, a particularly bold, 500-pound California black bear made himself at home in Monrovia, coming down from the foothills to grab a bite to eat from a trash can or fruit tree (avocados were his favorite). He gained fame not for his culinary endeavors, but rather for his love of jumping into hot tubs to relax after a hard day's forage."

A few years ago Sis awoke to the sound of crashing and thrashing. She looked out the window and saw a bear in the yard. It had ripped the wood gate off their fence. Waking my BIL, she told him about the bear. He responded, "Okay, what would you like me to do? Shall I ask him to leave, lol?

I told Sis that she would have had herself a nice new rug, had I been there.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Rocker1 on January 24, 2019, 06:54:15 AM
 Down south most farmers keep a donkey, truth is that donkey will stomp a yote, acturally run them down, funny how they know the difference between a yote and a dog. David
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Wayne52 on January 24, 2019, 07:10:46 AM
David donky's seem to be much smarter than a horse IMO.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bicycleman on January 24, 2019, 09:04:54 AM
Wayne, I certainly agree with you.
And calling someone an "A&&" is an insult to the donkey.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: HunterWhite on January 24, 2019, 11:31:05 AM
Many ranchers down here now use llamas or alpacas.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: hogdog4953 on January 25, 2019, 12:06:02 AM
Heck I have 2 American bulldogs and I would still worry if they took one on. They have given a *(&^ of a time to skunks (that always not worthy), possums, feral cats and big @@@ raccoons. They have won every time.....so far. 
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 25, 2019, 08:31:09 AM
Unfortunately most dogs that are house pets are not trained to fight /hunt as a group. Pack animals like wolves and coyote learn those tactics from an early age. The are intelligent hunters and will attack prey animals from several angles and directions so most domestic dogs are at a disadvantage when fighting a predator. Unless the dogs are familiar with hunting as a group. Watch any nature show that shows a group of predators taking down prey and you will see the methods that they employ 
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: RobertMcC on January 25, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
Heck I have 2 American bulldogs and I would still worry if they took one on. They have given a *(&^ of a time to skunks (that always not worthy), possums, feral cats and big @@@ raccoons. They have won every time.....so far.

I got a American Staffy and a Staffy bull terrier. Man they get beat up by the cats daily. The one that was burnt, every day tries to befriend the cats, and every day gets rejected. Hes been trying 8 months now. They play fight alot, but I don't know if they could handle a real fight. Considering both are under the blankets upstairs with the wife.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Rocker1 on January 25, 2019, 10:09:03 AM
 Years back I had a couple old red bone hounds that were bad to the bone, not saying they would win against a pack but 1 on 1 that yote would be in trouble, what I seen them do to a coon isn't normal. David
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 09, 2020, 07:43:20 PM
I agree with Ray in that it wasn't plain coyote.  However, Illinois is well-known for coywolves.  I can't see a couple coyote getting the best of 2 pits without at least one song-dog dying.  Glad to hear the Frenchie made it though- I'd probably turn Hulk-mode and smash a lot if something hurt my Frenchie (or our Boston or Pom).  BTW: That's a pitbull for you- protect their pack.   

Incidentally, you should see the documentary on Netflix about coywolves- quite sobering.

I also know that regardless of what the law states, if a coyote or similar comes into my backyard after my dogs, it will die.  We had coyote come through this area several winters ago.  Prior to that, there were somewhere around 100+ feral cats around in the woods near my subdivision.  We have no feral cats anymore- none at all.  I don't see obvious coyote scat or tracks around the 'hood anymore, but that doesn't mean their gone for good, either.
Here we are a year later or so, and 2 Chicagoans attacked by coyote in one day.

Anybody who hasn't seen Coywolf on Netflix, go check it out.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: steveoh on January 09, 2020, 09:56:56 PM
In my neighborhood yesterday. That’s a quarter of a cat.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 09, 2020, 10:32:51 PM
Steve, the first coyote I ever saw was in American Canyon just outside Vallejo.  That was in 1990.  Shortly after that, I moved to Ignacio and I started seeing occasional roadkill-yotes out the back side of Skaggs Island (I was dating a crypto-tech at the time).  Highway 37 at that time was a 3-lane road (no jersey barricades)- 1 lane in each direction with passing lane in the middle alternating.  Around Skaggs late at night the sides of the road were chock-full of jack rabbits that would stare at you as you flew by.  The girl I dated said the coyote went after pets before they'd chase the jacks.

Seeing a kitty-chunk being carted off in the heart of the North-East Bay just drives home how successful a suburban predator they are. 
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bryan Heimann on January 09, 2020, 10:33:13 PM
Talking about coyotes, it seems like everyone falls into one of two groups.  One side says oh coyotes harm nothing, don't eat pets, don't eat deer, if you try to reduce the numbers they will reproduce tenfold.  The other side says oh, coyotes are the scourge of the universe, they eat most of the new fawns, they all have rabies, they live on pets, you should kill every one you see.  People on both sides spread misinformation without a second thought and they are so highly opinionated and hard headed you can't have a discussion!

I lived in Fayetteville, N.C., right outside Fort Bragg, for the 2 years that they banned the take of coyotes on the military reservation.  So I have firsthand experience dealing with them where they are not harvested.

In my EXPERIENCE inside of that two year period they were so out of control, populations so dense, more than 50% that got tested for rabies came back positive.  They absolutely kill and eat pets very regularly where they have no reason to fear man.  After a point, the city of Fayetteville hired a team of hunters to take them out.  They never banned it outright, only on the military reservation.  2 years of no hunting is all it took for things so go south.

Even after all that, the university conducting the study that stopped coyote hunting on post for two years, in their reports they denied the obvious truth about the coyotes.  It was an agenda based study conducted by experts, biologists, so opinionated and wrapped up in their agenda, the reports reflected a different story.  I don't have the link but I read the summary of it, I had gotten from a biologist at fort bragg wildlife department.  The wildlife department did not share the universitie's opinions of the outcome.

So here is my point:

1. When you stop hunting coyotes they don't stop breeding.

2.  Coyotes do eat pets of all kinds.

3.  If coyotes are not outright persecuted by man, they lose their fear and move right in to the city.


More on the breeding behavior.  When they howl at night, if they do not hear enough response, they expand their range into that territory and do become more fecund.  Only way to combat that is to persecute them relentlessly.  So maybe you don't need to kill every one you see, but if you live in the coty or on a farm with livestock... or if you have pets... you have to instill the fear in them to control them. 
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: JeffB1961 on January 09, 2020, 10:55:48 PM
i'm shooting any coyote i see around the place from now on !
we herd them all through the summer at night and even seen a few from the front deck during the day .
we have 6 fur babies .

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Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: steveoh on January 09, 2020, 11:42:29 PM
There was a coyote in downtown San Francisco carrying a rat carcass. Good coyote!

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coyote-spotted-roaming-downtown-SF-with-rat-in-14893195.php (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coyote-spotted-roaming-downtown-SF-with-rat-in-14893195.php)
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: steveoh on January 09, 2020, 11:46:20 PM
Steve, the first coyote I ever saw was in American Canyon just outside Vallejo.  That was in 1990.  Shortly after that, I moved to Ignacio and I started seeing occasional roadkill-yotes out the back side of Skaggs Island (I was dating a crypto-tech at the time).  Highway 37 at that time was a 3-lane road (no jersey barricades)- 1 lane in each direction with passing lane in the middle alternating.  Around Skaggs late at night the sides of the road were chock-full of jack rabbits that would stare at you as you flew by.  The girl I dated said the coyote went after pets before they'd chase the jacks.

Seeing a kitty-chunk being carted off in the heart of the North-East Bay just drives home how successful a suburban predator they are.

I see them here and there. Out in front of my house, between Benicia and Vallejo, all over. They aren’t terribly afraid.

Someone checked out a coyote den in the green space between houses and found coyote scat with cat parts.  Of course if I catch one in the back yard I have all sorts of bad medicine sighted in and at the ready.  ;D
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Tater on January 10, 2020, 01:40:44 AM
Chicago hasn't had a coyote attack in decades. Yesterday, it had 2https://www.news-daily.com/news/world_nation/chicago-hasn-t-had-a-coyote-attack-in-decades-yesterday/article_05f99363-c832-5ecb-a339-a463b6edb924.html (https://www.news-daily.com/news/world_nation/chicago-hasn-t-had-a-coyote-attack-in-decades-yesterday/article_05f99363-c832-5ecb-a339-a463b6edb924.html)

A strange spate of coyote sightings in Chicago -- and two attacks, one involving a 5-year-old -- have befuddled residents and officials. Coyote sightings in the city aren't uncommon -- coyotes have lived among Chicago residents "for generations," Chicago Animal Care and Control executive director Kelly Gandurski said at a press conference.

But the attacks -- (http://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/coyote-attack-new-jersey-trnd/index.html) the first recorded coyote-on-human attacks in three decades -- are concerning (http://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/coyote-attack-new-jersey-trnd/index.html).The first came Wednesday afternoon, when a coyote bit a 5-year-old boy multiple times outside of a nature museum in the Lincoln Park neighborhood. He was taken to Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago in stable condition, Chicago Police Officer Ana Pacheco confirmed to CNN.Gandurski said the boy's caretaker repeatedly kicked the coyote until it ran away. The coyote responsible for the attack has not been found.Then, later Wednesday night, a 32-year-old man said a coyote bit his buttocks while he was walking near Northwestern Hospital. He walked into the hospital in good condition and will be treated and released, Pacheco said. The latter coyote attack occurred about 2.6 miles away from the Lincoln Park mauling, but it's not clear whether the same coyote is responsible.
Earlier this week, Chicago Animal Care and Control rescued a young coyote (https://www.facebook.com/ChicagoAnimalCareandControl/photos/a.317967611902846/1028741367492130) from Lake Michigan.

First coyote attacks in three decades

Before this week, there had been no reported coyote attacks on humans in the state for the last 30 years, according to a coyote coexistence plan (https://www.facebook.com/search/posts/?q=chicago%20coyote&epa=SERP_TAB) from Chicago Animal Care and Control. It's not uncommon for coyotes to settle in urban green spaces, the agency said -- they can occupy 7 to 8 square miles of the city. They're generally fearful of people, but urban coyotes are highly adaptive and alter their behavior to survive in the city. They're also typically nocturnal, but residents have spotted coyotes --one, in particular, that walks with a limp -- traveling down the sidewalk during the day. Coyotes are protected in Illinois, and wildlife officials won't remove them from an area unless they attack people, Gandurski said.
If the coyotes are found, they'll be tranquilized and released outside of the area."The line crossed here is the fact that it attacked a child," she said. "It's not acting like a coyote. It was brazen enough to interact with a child. "Chicago animal control, police and Cook County Animal and Rabies Control have been scouring the Lincoln Park area where the coyotes were reported. Officials haven't confirmed whether the residents are reporting the same coyote.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bryan Heimann on January 10, 2020, 03:10:31 AM
I think it is funny when they say it attacked a child and in the same sentence it is not acting like a coyote.

They have been living with humans without persecution for 30 years?  Probably not enough trash in the dumpsters to keep them fed... they are acting exactly like coyotes.

With the burgeoning population of humans, and the attitude of humans toward predators these days, attacks will increase.  Urban sprawl in conjunction with unchecked predators is a bad combination. 

All it takes is persistent persecution.  That is enough for predators to get the *(&^ out of dodge.

That is the real reason we almost completely lost grey wolves in the U.S.  They up and left for persecution, and trotted north.  There are populations of tagged and collared wolves that were not introduced, in Wisconsin, that range 500-600 miles north into British Columbia.  They don't screw around down here because we persecuted the *(&^ out of them in decades past.

Now we have taken them and reintroduced them in a place that hunting is forbidden.  Which is kind of cool because I like wolves... and coyotes and predators in general.  But also unsettling because if they are not steadily hunted (persecuted) the range will expand. 

You don't have to kill them all.  You just have to draw a hard line in a piece of territory and give them no slack. 
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: squirrel_hunter on January 10, 2020, 09:35:22 AM
 a coyote will kill and drag away the toughest of dogs then eat it for lunch.one on one or in a pack coyotes will kill to survive.i tend to kill all I see,i live in the woods and have killed many of them.i raise whitetail deer and had a large and a smaller coyote get into one of my pens and kill a 2 year old buck,this was early spring and he had no antlers to defend himself.i think it may have helped with if he had his antlers but it may not have.he was only deer in that pen at the time...
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Lani52 on January 10, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
As you can tell by my avatar, I have killed a few, around a couple hundred or so, maybe more.  The complete photo was posted in the AGN Hunting section a while back.  I hunted for several fur seasons, two in  SE Oregon where that photo was taken. After the bottom dropped out of the fur market, I ran two Ruskie wolf hounds, they were killing machines.

As a child growing up on my fathers ranch, two coyotes at time would routinely lure our cow dogs out and kill them, a cow giving birth, calving, at times would be eaten at the exit end calf and all while she was still alive or so the old timers would say.  We kept a ancient 94 Winchester by the door for them.

Killing all the coyotes?  Never happen, the Indians used to say that the coyote will howl on the last white mans grave.

Up until age 15 I thought two in consort could  kill any dog, then I bought a Airedale terrier, she died of old age, coyotes did not return to our fields, at least in the open where we could see them, for ten years after that mean woman died.

Roachcreek
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bryan Heimann on January 10, 2020, 04:03:22 PM
I wonder sometimes if playing howls, like on a digital call, could prevent them from trying to move in where they were extirpated.  Manipulate that instinct
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Sqrl Klr on January 10, 2020, 09:11:15 PM
I have all kinds of predators around my place and I also live in a Gray Wolf zone.  Years ago I owned a Pressa Canario dog.  He was 148 lbs, extremely Fast & very Athletic.    He could out run and out fight anything in the woods except a large Black Bear or a Wolf Pack. He was as big as a Great Dane and looked like a "Pit Bull on Steroids".  He kept the area predator free while he was alive.  He looked a lot like the one in the picture below.. except he was striped & colored like a Tiger.     His name was Somba       One on one....a single lone Coyote... would not have stood a chance against Somba.


Best Wishes - Tom

Great looking buddy you had there! My English Mastiff was just over 200lbs and I never had problems with people or pest animals that were and still are in the area. I hear coyotes pretty much nightly and often see 3 of them on my trailcams.

Good posts Bryan. So far as calling them I'm betting one good way to keep them out of there is by playing bobcat fighting calls. Get a good laugh out of this clip below. I had to watch it several times. Hilarious! Coyote wants no part of bobcat and quickly de-arses the premises with loud scream. hehee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rseuWBKIBP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rseuWBKIBP4)
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bryan Heimann on January 11, 2020, 01:13:18 AM
That was good!
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: bantam5s on January 11, 2020, 01:23:11 AM
Poor dog, I hope it gets well soon.

I don't know what I'd do if this happened to my dog, I'd probably be killing some coyotes regardless of the law.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: T3PRanch on January 11, 2020, 02:29:16 AM
The absolutely BEST coyote deterrent is a pair of donkeys! They will corner a song dog and literally stomp it to bits. They will even sometimes carry around the carcass in their mouth. A neighbor has a pair and they will chase a coyote till it makes it to a fence or it is dead, whichever comes first!


I raise cattle and NO dog whether coyote or wild domestic get any quarter from me! Domestic dogs "dumped" in the country will make packs and are even more trouble than coyotes in certain situations. They kill for fun and food!
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: Bryan Heimann on January 11, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
I agree about the feral dogs.  A buddy in high school, lived in a trailer park infested with feral dogs.  They will stalk you and attack you wuthout making a sound.  No barking, growling, etc.  Always carry a rock in your hand walking around there to huck at them when you see them.  Head on a swivel at night!

An acquaintance of mine from the Army told me they used a pair of mules to keep coyotes in check.  I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Coyotes Kill Pit Bull In Attack On 3 Dogs
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 11, 2020, 12:51:53 PM
Just read up on the Mexican Donkey- AKA the Burro.  They are known to grab 'yotes mid-strike by the neck and crunch-crunch-shake.  Yeah. there's pictures and even videos floating around.

Even mountain lions are wary of the Burro.  They may be a herbivore but very few animals consider them prey except when absolutely desperate.  Nearly unlimited stamina means coyote may be able to outrun in short distance, but the Burro will always win.