No, an under lever is more accurate than a break barrel because of the front weight from the lever. The lever adds to the stability of the barrel and can help absorbing the vibrations during the shot cycle. Why do you think that people report the same accuracy of the HW98 vs the HW97k ? Because the barrel sleeve / shroud from the HW98 does the same as what the lever from the HW97k does. Taming the vibrations due to the weight.That an under lever is more accurate than a break barrel because a break barrel's barrel is disconnected from the action is forum retorics.
Hey Guys,This has nothing to do with jkingrph desire to own an HW57 - which I've also wanted to own over the years.Buying the HW57, because I've never owned one "has been the only reason" for MY wanting THIS Weihrauch springer. The HW50 does everything this gun does, but it isn't NOT an Under Lever. Under Levers in theory should be more accurate vs. a break barrel, as the barrel joint can't move during the shot cycle. In theory, all the shooting error is caused by pellet design/fit, shooter, barrel quality and ES of the gun.However, all things being equal, we know a good barrel or exceptional barrel makes a larger difference - underlever vs. breakbarrel.We also "Think/know" there could be issues with the loading system of the HW57 vs. the HW50S - making it potentially worse than a break barrel.We also know, the HW57 costs more vs. the HW50S - otherwise has almost the same specs.This is why I've decided, even though I really want to try one (scratch that Weihrauch itch), I just can't pull the trigger (no pun intended) on this gun. Other than wanting something different, there is no reason to own said HW57 if you already have the equal, or likely superior -> HW50S - Right? Now ......... I'll get off my soap box
I tried posting a few targets from this morning. I set up my bench and using iron sights, Anschutz rear along with the factory front which is a rather wide post was getting one hole groups if I did my part at 10 meters, It is breezy, rather warm 87 with 79% hudimity so I did not last long. I am not as good as years ago, but could call my fliers. I also checked the trigger, it comes in at 1 lb 3 oz to 1 lb 5 oz consistantaly. When I started the pop up breech was very stiff. Last night I put a tiny drop of oil with some moly on it and it is slick now. Any suggestions on how to post pictures, I took them on my Iphone, emailed to myself then saved the image to my PC desktop, byt cannot post them here.
Quote from: triggerfest on August 12, 2022, 02:47:28 AMNo, an under lever is more accurate than a break barrel because of the front weight from the lever. The lever adds to the stability of the barrel and can help absorbing the vibrations during the shot cycle. Why do you think that people report the same accuracy of the HW98 vs the HW97k ? Because the barrel sleeve / shroud from the HW98 does the same as what the lever from the HW97k does. Taming the vibrations due to the weight.That an under lever is more accurate than a break barrel because a break barrel's barrel is disconnected from the action is forum retorics.This is interesting. I have both a Hw95 and a Hw97. Both in 177. Both gun toggle between being my most accurate at 50 yds. Both have produced groups under a half inch at that range. Pretty good for 8 gr pellets. The deciding factor for the one that shoots best at 50 yds is which one has the best working tin for that gun. I try to dedicate tins that work good for a particular gun to that gun. When that tin runs out the other gun becomes top dog until I can find a good working tin. It's not always the same pellet type for the same gun. In 177 I'm partial to the JSBs but the results vary widely. The H&N FTTs seem to be more consistent so at times they perform better than my best tin of JSBs. Again this is treating each gun as a separate piece.The 95 and 97 will occasionally agree on pellets but not always. I think this fluctuation in pellet performance is why competitive shooters sort and size their pellets. This is way too much work for me a casual shooter.The logic that a fixed barrel is better than a break barrel is understandable. Less moving parts, less variables. In practice I can't say I've experienced this. At short ranges my Hw30s are as accurate as my 97 and 95. I will say getting the right tension and lock up can be a pita. Therefore it's not surprising that people have better accuracy with fixed barrels. It is one less variable.There may be some truth as far as vibration dampening of the additional cocking arm or 98 barrel sleeve goes. Personally I haven't experienced it. My 95 which ties my 97 has a thin six inch carbon fiber sleeve at the end to cover the dovetails. It weighs nothing. Many Weihrauch breal barrels have barrel weights that range widely in weight. My experience with adding or deleting them is they always changed the POI. BUT never the group size. Barrel harmonics tuning is a hot subject. I'm not saying it can't change accuracy. I'm saying I haven't seen it. At least in a springer. I can tell you that accuracy degrades with even a slightly loose barrel weight or to a lesser degree a loose globe sight locking ring. If loose stock screws wreak havoc with accuracy think what a loose weight at the very end of the barrel might do.These conversations are always fun and there's a lot here to consider.Have a great dayRon
Another quirk inherent to tap-loaders is the need to clean the barrel from the muzzle end, something that must be done with care, and not everyone's favorite.
Let the real HW57 owners stand up and answer. The HW57 so called issues are forum retorics from the past..If it was such a bad airgun, Weihrauch would have made it obsolete by now.Yes, Krale can 100% order one for you on your demand.
Quote from: Mark 611 on August 09, 2022, 04:44:08 AMIMO, if AOA said no? that ought to tell you something! They are the U.S. importer for HW, they are probably not interested in importing these problematic rifles that will probably get returned to them for warranty issues or refunds, it costs them MONEY! On the other hand if it were so troublesome, why would Weirhauch continued production for so long!
IMO, if AOA said no? that ought to tell you something! They are the U.S. importer for HW, they are probably not interested in importing these problematic rifles that will probably get returned to them for warranty issues or refunds, it costs them MONEY!
YD, if the 57 was all that? why do you not hear about them more then you do? I think the reason is because these rifles are to hit and miss with issues most people don't want to risk the hassle of spending their money and have to go thru the return to send them back, I'm not saying their all bad and some folks do get 1 that shoots ok? but I think most of us expect a rifle that works like it should without the worry! Also what's not being mentioned here is the loading port is very limited to the types and weights of pellets that will fit the pop up breech block! If you have a good 1 good for you! but their's too many reviews and people who have put their 2ct in this post that holds me to my resolve on this gun! sorry but it is what it is! These gun's have been around a long time and you do not here about them as you should if they were that great of a gun! my 2ct