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GTA directory => Dealer Area => Topic started by: WesBob on April 02, 2020, 01:38:37 PM
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Hi Guys!
I managed to snag a few of these new Xisico JTS Compressors, and they are now in stock.
First impressions, I'm impressed! Smaller than I imagined! Pumps much quieter than I imagined as well. Here is a short little video of testing it to 300 bar with the plug in the fill whip. https://youtu.be/RW2wHbb9bOU
I'll give some tested fill times as I try it out further.
The manual says it's good to go up to 310 bar and the sales manager informed me it can fill larger tanks as long as you give appropriate cool down periods every 20 minutes or so.
It comes with some wrenches, parts, burst disks and a syringe for adding grease.
Here is few pics and the link to my site.
Price is right around $492usd plus shipping, around $520 total.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/
Here is a pic with my hand on it as reference, showing how small it is. Nice and portable!
Thanks,
Wes
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This is the unit I had been working on at JSAR its awesome so snag them up!!!
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Ordered mine yesterday! Will be my spare / travel compressor.
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This is the unit I had been working on at JSAR its awesome so snag them up!!!
Thanks Travis!
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Thought I'd mention that Xisico promised to take care of repairs and warranty for me, for US customers, to save on all the added cost of shipping between countries. In Canada customers can send their compressor to me for repair, but anyone can call or email me with issues and I can help with parts support etc or troubleshooting.
Thanks,
Wes
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Does it come with the DC to A.C. converter? Does it have a filter built in?
Thanks,
Nathan
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Does it come with the DC to A.C. converter? Does it have a filter built in?
Thanks,
Nathan
Hi Nathan, it comes with the converter yep. There is a pre-filter inside and it's supposed to have an oil/water separator as well, on the bleed I suppose, but it doesn't come with the fill whip filter. So something I'd definitely recommend getting. I've got a few of the medium size ones with the cotton filters and I've got some of the bigger black filters coming.
Thanks,
Wes
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I have to say you have me debating right now with my tax return... That's an awesome price for the unit plus warranty.
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After having two Xisico rifles the company seems to build decent products. I have taken one of them apart completely and I thought the build quality was impressive. I remember when Travis was putting one of those compressors through a lot of torture with great results. At the price of them it would be hard to turn down if I already didn't have a compressor.
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Thanks Guys,
They do seem like a great product, especially from Travis' test results!
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Hi Guys,
All my compressors are sold now but I'll be getting more in May.
I filled a paintball tank, the 13ci from 0 to 3000psi, and it took 9 minutes, so these are basically the same speed as a Nomad. Not fast but nice and quiet, and fill guns pretty quick without a huge racket, unlike the Yong Heng.
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Looks like airgunarcheryfun sold total of 8 compressors. I ordered #5 last Saturday. Estimated delivery next Tuesday. All dive shops near me are closed due stay at home laws. I'm running low on HPA. Looking forward to having my own compressor.
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Are there any rebuilt parts or kits available for this compressor. What type of maintenance is needed for a long life.
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It comes with a few parts and some wrenches and a syringe to grease some parts every 50 hours.
Xisico is providing parts support, and I'll ask for some rebuild kits when my next order ships out in May.
Regards,
Wes
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Wes I didn't figure the ones that you got would last long, there were a lot of people waiting on that compressor.
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Wes I didn't figure the ones that you got would last long, there were a lot of people waiting on that compressor.
Yeah! They sure didn't.
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Dang mine made it to Chicago on April 8 was supposed to be delivered on Friday. Now nothing moving on the tracking and no delivery date posted.
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Great news compressor made it to town last night and new notice it's out for delivery today.
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Good to hear!
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3:55 to fill my Mutant from 150b to 250b. Pretty nice sitting outside on the deck filling my gun lol.
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3:55 to fill my Mutant from 150b to 250b. Pretty nice sitting outside on the deck filling my gun lol.
Its really a nice compressor small/light weight/ works on 110 or 12v and quiet.
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I think that any vender that does get these compressors will have a fast sell out like Wes did. I think this compressor will put the Yong Heng in the airgun history books soon ???
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It's a different animal Wayne so I'm not so sure. The Yong Heng is a lot faster and so it's more suited to big tanks than the JTS. But for those filling guns and small bottles, I agree, this is very nice, and fits that niche very well.
Thanks,
Wes
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Wes, is it quieter than the Hatsan Spark? I'm assuming the fill rate is probably the same, just curious if it would be less noisy... Sorry, the Hatsan Spark and YH are my only frame of reference since I've not owned any others. Thanks...
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The Hatsan Spark looks like the same idea as the Nomad and New Warrior. I haven't had one, but the JTS is quieter than the New Warrior, and the New Warrior is pretty quiet.
So I'd guess it's quieter.
Thanks,
Wes
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The Hatsan Spark looks like the same idea as the Nomad and New Warrior. I haven't had one, but the JTS is quieter than the New Warrior, and the New Warrior is pretty quiet.
So I'd guess it's quieter.
Thanks,
Wes
Thank you! That helps me a lot! When do you expect to get more in stock? I may replace my Hatsan Spark with one of these...
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My cheap meter reading 1 ft from the unit.
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I fill my Raptor with mine in the house all the time and it doesnt bother my wife. The cooling fans make the most noise.
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What I'm courious about is how long of a extension cord can be used on the transformer?
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The Hatsan Spark looks like the same idea as the Nomad and New Warrior. I haven't had one, but the JTS is quieter than the New Warrior, and the New Warrior is pretty quiet.
So I'd guess it's quieter.
Thanks,
Wes
Thank you! That helps me a lot! When do you expect to get more in stock? I may replace my Hatsan Spark with one of these...
Thanks Paul. In early may it sounds like, but I need to get a better idea of the date from Xisico.
I fill my Raptor with mine in the house all the time and it doesnt bother my wife. The cooling fans make the most noise.
Yes my wife was surprised too, and said it wasn't bad and she is extra sensitive to noise. 🙂
What I'm courious about is how long of a extension cord can be used on the transformer?
Looks like it draws 50amps so maybe some electrician can tell us what will work at what length.
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Its no where near 50amps maybe 7 amps. Ill test mine shortly and see.
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Its no where near 50amps maybe 7 amps. Ill test mine shortly and see.
It's going to depend on the efficiency of the converter. IF the converter were able to transfer 100% of the energy then it would be 5 amps at 120 volts. 600 watts = 50amps x 12 volts. 600 watts also = 5amps x 120 volts.
Since the inverter is NOT 100% efficient if will be more. Generally the closer you run the inverter to it's rated power the more efficient it will be due to the power used by the inverter.
My guess would be the current draw will be somewhere between 6 and 10amps.
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Oops I should keep my mouth shut 😁. I was going by the transformer.
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My Xisico JTS compressor was delivered yesterday. So just a short review for those interested. Wes at Airgun Archery Fun responded to any questions I emailed him within minutes. Also I ordered on Saturday and he shipped out on Monday. Excellent service. Arrived 17 days from time of placing the order. Not too bad considering it shipped from Moose Jaw, Sk, Canada to Mississauga, On, Canada, into the USA and on to Chicago where it went through customs. It was turned over to USPS in Chicago and then took 6 days to arrive at my door in St. Louis, MO. It's about a 3 hour drive from Chicago to St. Louis. Compressor & converter were packed very well inside styrofoam inside a box. No damage. I read instructions and then tested it with plug in fill whip. Everything tested OK. So I filled my small Guppy air tank (118 cu in) from 1900 to 4500 psi. Total compressor time was 86 minutes. I would fill for 20 minutes then shut off compressor and let cool for 20 minutes. After each 20 minutes period I would open bleed valve to drain a small amount of water. After I filled the Guppy, I removed the small final filter at Guppy to inspect. It was dry and no dirt or any discoloration. So seems that the internal water separator supplied with the compressor works well. I used a sound meter app on my android phone and sound lever at about 4 feet was 79 - 80 dBA. Not bad noise at all. Thats about all I know. I'm filling my Great White (550 cu in) now.
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Thanks Jack!
Customs seems a bit short handed on both sides of the border as I've been finding delays getting through.
Glad it finally arrived.
Regards,
Wes
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If you received a compressor they Donot ship with oil you have to add it! Don’t run till properly filled with compressor oil. There’s a site window near bottom on power cord side under plastic plug, fill to middle of window. On other side under plastic plug is the fill hole it has a flat for a screw driver or 13/16 socket I believe. Remove plug fill slowly while looking threw site window on opposite side till oil is half way up window
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So ooooopppppsss no sight window in mine. I sat mine up right and added oil till it was level with the plug threads.
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Thanks Travis, there seems to be some differences between the compressor you have and the ones we got. Not sure why. There appears to be no sight window and that side is just a flat wall, no wheel to wrap cord.
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So ooooopppppsss no sight window in mine. I sat mine up right and added oil till it was level with the plug threads.
No window on opposite side?
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Internal view. Part 13 is fill part 49 is window
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No no sight glass any place just fill port.
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No no sight glass any place just fill port.
Thats the wrong side thats part 51 dont use that as fill port its WAY to high! look at picture and exploded view. its 90 degrees and lower to that on the body not up on the cyclinder
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Looking at your diagram the sight glass looked like it the same height or level with the fill plug. Just on the other side.
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@Travis: Your compressor, although the manual is the same, is not the same as the one I received from Wes. I have not turned it on yet because the manual does not match the unit I received and I thought it strange that there was no mention of oil filling or air filter.
@Wes Do you have any instructions that match the unit you sent me ?
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@Travis: Your compressor, although the manual is the same, is not the same as the one I received from Wes. I have not turned it on yet because the manual does not match the unit I received and I thought it strange that there was no mention of oil filling or air filter.
@Wes Do you have any instructions that match the unit you sent me ?
the picture in the middle with the plug on the power cord side is the one! Open it up fill till oil comes out and cap it. Check and see if oil is in it already first.it should be dry but who knows! Im calling XISICO tomorrow and get all the details and report back.
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@Travis: Your compressor, although the manual is the same, is not the same as the one I received from Wes. I have not turned it on yet because the manual does not match the unit I received and I thought it strange that there was no mention of oil filling or air filter.
@Wes Do you have any instructions that match the unit you sent me ?
the picture in the middle with the plug on the power cord side is the one! Open it up fill till ol comes out and cap it. Check and see if oil is in it already first.it should be dry but who knows! Im calling XISICO tomorrow and get all the details and report back.
Should I fill it standing up or lying flat and what oil to use (this is my first compressor).
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Sorry for the confusion guys, glad we are getting this sorted out now. As per how to fill, I'm sure Travis will tell you to fill it standing up, not on its side.
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@Travis: Your compressor, although the manual is the same, is not the same as the one I received from Wes. I have not turned it on yet because the manual does not match the unit I received and I thought it strange that there was no mention of oil filling or air filter.
@Wes Do you have any instructions that match the unit you sent me ?
the picture in the middle with the plug on the power cord side is the one! Open it up fill till ol comes out and cap it. Check and see if oil is in it already first.it should be dry but who knows! Im calling XISICO tomorrow and get all the details and report back.
Should I fill it standing up or lying flat and what oil to use (this is my first compressor).
standing up. I use this but there are other options. https://www.royalpurple.com/product/synfilm-recip-100-reciprocating-air-compressor-oil/ (https://www.royalpurple.com/product/synfilm-recip-100-reciprocating-air-compressor-oil/)
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i use this Royal Purple in my Yong Heng.
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So Larry from Xisico was talking to the factory in China during the night and they are saying they changed the compressor so it would not need oil, that's why the manual doesn't give instructions on it. Travis is looking into it, and what best practice will be.
Sorry for the confusion, we'll get it all sorted out yet.
The good news is that the pumps that have been running must have some kind of lube protection in there so should not have gotten damaged.
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I have seen questions on Amazon about the one that looks similar. What seems odd is those used to only require some grease be added maybe once a year, but now require no maintenance at all. So, why did the one JSAR have use compressor oil? Granted, these may be totally different compressors, or were at some point in the past. Hard to really say...
Here's one of the questions on Amazon about the change.
https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx1TE3091X98GSG/ref=ask_dp_dpmw_al_hza (https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx1TE3091X98GSG/ref=ask_dp_dpmw_al_hza)
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I have seen questions on Amazon about the one that looks similar. What seems odd is those used to only require some grease be added maybe once a year, but now require no maintenance at all. So, why did the one JSAR have use compressor oil? Granted, these may be totally different compressors, or were at some point in the past. Hard to really say...
Here's one of the questions on Amazon about the change.
https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx1TE3091X98GSG/ref=ask_dp_dpmw_al_hza (https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx1TE3091X98GSG/ref=ask_dp_dpmw_al_hza)
Thanks Paul. I sure wish JTS had sent an update to Xisico. Now it's a bit confusing. Looks like we got this version that does not need oil. It would be good to have Travis get his hands on one of these to make sure they've kept the upgrades he helped design.
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It advertised as oil cooled. Lol it has a fill port and reservoir
http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
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The Factory is gettng back to me so until then to be safe dont use the pump.
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Good idea
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It advertised as oil cooled. Lol it has a fill port and reservoir
http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
This is the one that Travis has. The one I received is different.
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It advertised as oil cooled. Lol it has a fill port and reservoir
http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/ (http://xisicousa.com/site/index.php/product/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/)
This is the one that Travis has. The one I received is different.
This is mine.
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The Factory is gettng back to me so until then to be safe dont use the pump.
I am also interested to know if this new one with the round metal buttons has the upgrades you tested Travis.
It looks the same as that red amazon one, just with a black JTS case. The cabling is all on one side, it has cut outs for the 12v leads to tuck in, and it has the round metal buttons on the back instead of the rectangle plastic ones. I prefer the look of the new design as long as it's the same one you tested Travis.
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Awfully quiet in here.
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I say the same thing when I go to think about some thing 😋
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I have a compressor on its way to me to evaluate I shoud have it friday. More to come
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Thanks Travis. I also emailed the manufacturer with no response.
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Just topped off my zbroia 200b to 300b this is the second time doing this with oil in the compressor. The first time when I let off the pressure on the oil water separator. I got just water droplets. This time around I got milky water droplets and the hose has milky residue left in the hose. I checked the gold filter going into the gun. Was clean and dry. Second pic residue from the pressure relief hose.
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Just topped off my zbroia 200b to 300b this is the second time doing this with oil in the compressor. The first time when I let off the pressure on the oil water separator. I got just water droplets. This time around I got milky water droplets and the hose has milky residue left in the hose. I checked the gold filter going into the gun. Was clean and dry. Second pic residue from the pressure relief hose.
Did you add oil to the compressor? I thought Wes said the manufacturer said the new design was oil-less?
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Did you add oil to the compressor? I thought Wes said the manufacturer said the new design was oil-less?
Yep I added oil before Wes said the mfg said it was a a new oil-less design. I was going by what was advertised as a oil cooled unit from the xisico website. It has a oil reservoir and a fill plug.
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has anyone contacted Mike @ FDAR about this compressor ?
i'm sure he can answer the questions.
i just emailed him, so we will see ;)
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Seems to be a lot of unanswered questions about this compressor. The oil/no oil question is quite disturbing, seems you could cause some serious damage running oil in an oil-less compressor or not adding it to one that needs it. The manufacturer really needs to step up their game and include accurate info with the compressors when they ship! :o
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Spent the morning draining oil and cleaning up the compressor. Guess I'll wait and see what Travis comes up with.
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Pretty sure the same one on Amazon said the syringe is for adding grease not oil.
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Mike bought two from me but he's in the dark as well though he has run them oilless and may still be doing so, so it'd be good to hear what he thinks. Xisico has commissioned Travis to tear one down and give his verdict so that's what is happening and why we haven't heard anything. JTS told Xisico after all this question started that this is a new oilless design. Travis is checking it out presumably to make sure it will stand up as is or if switching back to oil is a better idea.
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Compressor is here and Ive taken it all apart and They have indeed packed the bearings with grease. So their intent was to run it oilless. I contacted Xisico and GTX and recommended they ditch that and go back to a oil bath system for many reasons. If you add oil to the compressor now it will break down the grease and pollute the system and most likely cause it to stop working until the compressor can be cleaned out. So my recomendation is at this point is either use it like it came and if anything happens I will have Xisico replace the unit OR pull the piston and clean out all the grease and fill back with synthetic pump oil. Ill know more on Monday.
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Ok good to know. Thanks Travis.
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Travis any word on the jsar shipment? I'm really curious if the those compressors are different. I know you spent lot of time testing designs and finally approved to be built. I'm curious if xisico built that shipment to your specifications.
What kind of bearings is the unit you have built with?
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Travis any word on the jsar shipment? I'm really curious if the those compressors are different. I know you spent lot of time testing designs and finally approved to be built. I'm curious if xisico built that shipment to your specifications.
What kind of bearings is the unit you have built with?
I have no association with JSAR anymore. The pumps all have roller bearings.
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I have no association with JSAR anymore. The pumps all have roller bearings.
Sorry I ask. What's your opinion of the roller bearings they use.
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if anything happens I will have Xisico replace the unit
Travis what kind of timeline would you see Xisico replacing the unit, within the 1 year warranty? What if we buy the unit from Wes? Would he be able to get a replacement beyond the 1 year warranty? I'm really looking for the unit that will last the longest, it sounds like the oil filled one is the way to go.
Travis were the other upgrades done that you had made or is this a whole new design from the ones you tested?
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if anything happens I will have Xisico replace the unit
Travis what kind of timeline would you see Xisico replacing the unit, within the 1 year warranty? What if we buy the unit from Wes? Would he be able to get a replacement beyond the 1 year warranty? I'm really looking for the unit that will last the longest, it sounds like the oil filled one is the way to go.
Travis were the other upgrades done that you had made or is this a whole new design from the ones you tested?
The upgrades were done and the compressor works awesome I just need to make sure they stop using grease and go back to oil bath. Ill know more tomorrow.
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Good to know we have the upgrades 🙂👍
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So, just curious, what are these upgrades? Are they not on the the GX3 compressors being sold on Amazon?
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So, just curious, what are these upgrades? Are they not on the the GX3 compressors being sold on Amazon?
very good question Paul...... 8)
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Lots of grease!
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Lots of grease!
looks like a warranty claim....... ???
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So, just curious, what are these upgrades? Are they not on the the GX3 compressors being sold on Amazon?
very good question Paul...... 8)
Wouldn’t be at all surprised if they start showing up soon.
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Travis mentioned that these definitely had upgrades that are not on the amazon compressors, but I'm curious as well what they are and I'd think it would be a good selling point to let people know.
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i hope yall get this stuff straightend out by the end of this month....
because i'm going to buy a portable compressor either way
and it wont be no aluminum on steel connecting rod ::)
hey Paul.....whats the name of that compressor you just bought ??
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John I know one thing, I'll never get rid of my F10, the tanks do it for me for the portability.
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??? maybe I should pack my New Warrior compressor with grease :-\ LOL I better look to see if that did not already happen :o So far it has been running fine so will leave well enough alone ;)
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John I know one thing, I'll never get rid of my F10, the tanks do it for me for the portability.
yes you are correct !!! My F10 is a fine thing for my airgunning here on the farm,
but when we are out at our hunting camp, we need something more than just a
45 & 90min scba bottles because of these fire-breathers :o
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If I had a big bore that I used regularly I'd probably buy one of the portable ones too, it's very understandable on something like that because some of them take over 4K to fill and most are around 250 bar fills I think, that would deplete a full 1 hour SCBA in a hurry.
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i hope yall get this stuff straightend out by the end of this month....
because i'm going to buy a portable compressor either way
and it wont be no aluminum on steel connecting rod ::)
hey Paul.....whats the name of that compressor you just bought ??
I got a Benjamin Recharge. It uses water for cooling and oil for lubrication. It works really well, but I wouldn’t consider it in the same category as these. It doesn’t run off 12v and is pretty heavy to lug around. It is pretty fast though. Topped off my 90ci tank today, from 3000 psi to 4500 in about 10 minutes and the temp never got above 67C. It would probably be a good choice for your hunt camp, it will fill guns and tanks and is fully self contained.
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i hope yall get this stuff straightend out by the end of this month....
because i'm going to buy a portable compressor either way
and it wont be no aluminum on steel connecting rod ::)
hey Paul.....whats the name of that compressor you just bought ??
I got a Benjamin Recharge. It uses water for cooling and oil for lubrication. It works really well, but I wouldn’t consider it in the same category as these. It doesn’t run off 12v and is pretty heavy to lug around. It is pretty fast though. Topped off my 90ci tank today, from 3000 psi to 4500 in about 10 minutes and the temp never got above 67C. It would probably be a good choice for your hunt camp, it will fill guns and tanks and is fully self contained.
sounds like a perfect compressor, i will check into it...thank you ;)
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i hope yall get this stuff straightend out by the end of this month....
because i'm going to buy a portable compressor either way
and it wont be no aluminum on steel connecting rod ::)
hey Paul.....whats the name of that compressor you just bought ??
I got a Benjamin Recharge. It uses water for cooling and oil for lubrication. It works really well, but I wouldn’t consider it in the same category as these. It doesn’t run off 12v and is pretty heavy to lug around. It is pretty fast though. Topped off my 90ci tank today, from 3000 psi to 4500 in about 10 minutes and the temp never got above 67C. It would probably be a good choice for your hunt camp, it will fill guns and tanks and is fully self contained.
After reading this post I went to Crosman site, they're out of them right now but I was never aware of the compressor until I read this post. They're probably similar to the other comparible ones at about the same price but being they're sold by Crosman I'd be less hesitant about buying one of these than the others if I really needed a compressor.
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Wayne, Crosman CS has already been top notch! UPS destroyed 2 of them in transit. Crosman sent the 3rd by freight on a pallet. It arrived in perfect condition! Of course, that’s probably why they are currently out of stock, UPS probably destroyed more than they delivered in one piece! Optics Planet sells them also, and their price is a couple hundred below what Crosman is asking!
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i dont believe these are in the same price range or category as the xisico or any of the other portable compressors
i think these sell for around the $1500 range. Paul would know the facts.....
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i dont believe these are in the same price range or category as the xisico or any of the other portable compressors
i think these sell for around the $1500 range. Paul would know the facts.....
It looks very similar to the Omega's ??? It also is self contained like the Omega's as well with on board water and oil. It appears you could get one for about the same price the F10's originally cost when they were $1299. Much faster than the F10 too and probably a lot handier for filling an individual gun than the F10. I have never used my F10 for filling a gun directly, always fill tanks with it.
As a matter of fact my F10 is set for about the the exact output my Liberty's max fill is, maybe I'll give it a whirl.
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I do top off my higher fill pressure guns with the F-10, also have a NewWarior 12v portable and 90 ci regulated air venturi bottle for long hunts in the wild, but have the ability to top off the big guns from the truck.
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So, just curious, what are these upgrades? Are they not on the the GX3 compressors being sold on Amazon?
I bet it's a matter of time before the amazon GX3 one has the same internals as the JTS. I feel like that's how things work in China....
Travis is it just a matter of taking the compressor apart, degrasing all parts and filling it with oil? I am interested in an oil filled one if that means it will last longer. I'm sure there will be a rebuild video showing how to convert them to oil filled? ;)
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7 (ftp://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7)
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7 (ftp://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7)
sorry loading issues but this is the owners manual and parts breakdown
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The latest word from Xisico is that the factory has done some rigorous testing of this new compressor with grease and they feel confident this is an upgrade not a downgrade and they are willing to back it up with warranty. I'm not trying to contradict anything, as I'm no expert and I respect Travis' expertise, I'm just relaying what the factory is reporting.
Thanks,
Wes
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7 (ftp://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7)
This is for the one that Travis tested. It is not the same as the current model being shipped. It was sent with with the current model, but it does not match it. Refer to post #57 for pictures.
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The latest word from Xisico is that the factory has done some rigorous testing of this new compressor with grease and they feel confident this is an upgrade not a downgrade and they are willing to back it up with warranty. I'm not trying to contradict anything, as I'm no expert and I respect Travis' expertise, I'm just relaying what the factory is reporting.
Thanks,
Wes
Thanks Wes,
What is the factory warranty?
Are they going to let Travis do some stress tests on the oil-less design?
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They have a 1 year warranty. I assume Travis will be doing some testing of these since they asked one of my customers to send to him their compressor. They are also sending parts to him I believe.
This is actually great for the airgun community having different people test them, and a big thanks to Travis for being willing to check these out. Hopefully we'll have some good news or good advice on what works best, and perhaps some videos will come out of this on best practices for break in and maintenance.
Regards,
Wes
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7 (ftp://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7)
This is for the one that Travis tested. It is not the same as the current model being shipped. It was sent with with the current model, but it does not match it. Refer to post #57 for pictures.
i will double check, the manual i linked is the grease option, appearance of externals i believe are what you notice,
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Moved most of the clean grease on the piston to the gear reduction. Put it all back together added oil won't pump up to 1000psi. No surprise after finding how bad I might have screwed up the adjustments on the high side rod and piston system. Pics of high pressure rod, high piston with rings, spring, valve core (some kind of ball of some sort of material) and high pressure cap. My question how far down to screw the high pressure cap on to the high pressure valve core. And the overall height of the high pressure rod assembly
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Anyone else notice the non-Xisico compressors on Amazon, eBay, etc., are now oilless also?
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Interesting design, with that spring in there on the high pressure piston. That little ball and spring, I'm guessing, are the high pressure check valve, and I would assume you tighten the piece that holds it in place, all the way down. :o
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Hopefully Travis will chime in on your Piston problem there Mike.
Sorry for the trouble with all this!
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7 (ftp://drive.google.com/open?id=1CHbez4dHu2Es7eQhzOZ909CX7OctFU_7)
This is for the one that Travis tested. It is not the same as the current model being shipped. It was sent with with the current model, but it does not match it. Refer to post #57 for pictures.
i will double check, the manual i linked is the grease option, appearance of externals i believe are what you notice,
The manual is different than the compressor I have, inside and out.
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Hopefully Travis will chime in on your Piston problem there Mike.
Sorry for the trouble with all this!
No apology needed Wes. Lol not my first rodeo with China made goods. I'm really amazed with round threaded height pressure cap screwing in a square hole :o.
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It needs to be all the way tightend down and the check ball and spring need to be assembled in correct order(ball first then spring then cap. After getting it all togeather clean the check calves in head and low pressure piston as well.
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The latest information that we are having about this compressor is rather discouraging especially given the current events in the world. I am about to pull the trigger on an Altaros or even a shoebox at the higher price.
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The latest information that we are having about this compressor is rather discouraging especially given the current events in the world. I am about to pull the trigger on an Altaros or even a shoebox at the higher price.
Only change that wasnt accounted for was the grease inside the machine other than that its rock solid. Talking with owner on video chat tomorrow and see if I can explain in detail how they need to go back to the oil bath.
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The oil bath sounds to me like it would be a lot better for longevity of the pumps, especially since they've already got decent bearings in the lower end.
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The latest information that we are having about this compressor is rather discouraging especially given the current events in the world. I am about to pull the trigger on an Altaros or even a shoebox at the higher price.
Only change that wasnt accounted for was the grease inside the machine other than that its rock solid. Talking with owner on video chat tomorrow and see if I can explain in detail how they need to go back to the oil bath.
Thanks for putting your time into this Travis. I know I'm not the only one eagerly waiting for information about this compressor.
How did the conversation go? Are they going back to oil?
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Ok back up and pumping. New problem auto shut off not working.
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Ok back up and pumping. New problem auto shut off not working.
check the to wires coming from the gauge.
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The oil bath sounds to me like it would be a lot better for longevity of the pumps, especially since they've already got decent bearings in the lower end.
Your correct and JTS/Xisico will make all theirs oil bath again, not likely for ebay brands.
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Hmmm. Does this mean that all of those in the Texas warehouse are "grease" units? Can they be converted to oil lube ? If converted will it void the warranty?
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I was thinking packing / shipping grease, since they can't not ship with oil ???
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Hmm. I don't like all this feature flip flopping. I think I'm out on this one, at least for now.
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Hmmm. Does this mean that all of those in the Texas warehouse are "grease" units? Can they be converted to oil lube ? If converted will it void the warranty?
Wes I am wondering the something. If we buy one from this next shipment that has grease would we be able to swap (send it back to the manufacturer) it for an oil filled one when they come? Or would we still have warranty if Travis put out a video on how to convert from grease to oil?
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Hmmm. Does this mean that all of those in the Texas warehouse are "grease" units? Can they be converted to oil lube ? If converted will it void the warranty?
Wes I am wondering the something. If we buy one from this next shipment that has grease would we be able to swap (send it back to the manufacturer) it for an oil filled one when they come? Or would we still have warranty if Travis put out a video on how to convert from grease to oil?
Good questions I don't know the answers to yet. Let's see how things play out. I've got almost 40 of these on order and so I want as much as any of you to know they will be the best product they can be when sold. I'm sure it'll all work out one way nor another. 🙂
Regards,
Wes
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Travis knows these compressors and he's been good enough to speak out on what he feels is best for longevity and that's a great guy to have as a friend 🙂.
Xisico wants to sell a good product as well, so hopefully we'll get a good resolution to it all in the end.
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Ok good news after a LONG conversation with the owner and reps I convinced them to strip all the grease from compressors in Huston and supply oil. This will be a long hard job and messy job but they want to do the right thing. ALSO I have the updated compressor in the shop testing it and it has all the upgrades I recomended and changed over to oil bath and it works awesome. If it wasnt good I would say so. Xisico and JTS are a reputable company Ive known them many years and hangin their booth at shot show, they will do the right thing. Good thingis I caught this early and only 10 compressors were delivered.
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Thanks so much Travis for going the extra mile on this! For those with the greased units, feel free to contact me and we'll try figure out what can be done, whether it's a video on how to convert it or sending them back to Xisico to get converted. I'm not sure what the solution is yet, but hopefully we can get it resolved satisfactorily.
Thanks,
Wes
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Ok back up and pumping. New problem auto shut off not working.
check the to wires coming from the gauge.
Lol not sure what else can be done here other than unplugging and plugging the connections back on the wire post a few times. I'm open to suggestion. The wires to the unit are sheilded pretty good.
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Travis, Great news they are going with the oil lube. BUT, again the wait. I have only been interested in this compressor since March of this year others have been anticipating it’s a rival this past fall. Can you share a best guess as to when the dealers will have them in hand ?
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Travis, Great news they are going with the oil lube. BUT, again the wait. I have only been interested in this compressor since March of this year others have been anticipating it’s a rival this past fall. Can you share a best guess as to when the dealers will have them in hand ?
I dont work for them so I cant make any promises but I can call and get some idea.
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I ordered 1 of these off amazon when a few were available last week. Itll be arriving today...... I'll test it out. But I feel I could switch it over to oil if travis gives a how to.... or how do I contact you personally?
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Are they coming from Wes ...the ones posted on amazon or another supplier? Because returning it is easy...I just don't want to wait for a long time to get another one....how soon till the new oil bath batch will be ready do you think?
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Are they coming from Wes ...the ones posted on amazon or another supplier? Because returning it is easy...I just don't want to wait for a long time to get another one....how soon till the new oil bath batch will be ready do you think?
End of next week it looks like.
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Are they coming from Wes ...the ones posted on amazon or another supplier? Because returning it is easy...I just don't want to wait for a long time to get another one....how soon till the new oil bath batch will be ready do you think?
End of next week from Xisico in Texas, does not handle any other supplier these are only the units from Xisico USA.
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I ordered 1 of these off amazon when a few were available last week. Itll be arriving today...... I'll test it out. But I feel I could switch it over to oil if travis gives a how to.... or how do I contact you personally?
It will need to be stripped down and de greased and then assembled and filled. I dont know anything about the EBAY/Amazon units if they are upgraded like Xisico units or not, time will tell,I hope so.Ill make a video though on how its done when i get some here.
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Are they coming from Wes ...the ones posted on amazon or another supplier? Because returning it is easy...I just don't want to wait for a long time to get another one....how soon till the new oil bath batch will be ready do you think?
Yep they aren't from me.
Thanks Travis for taking this on!
A video will be great as well.
Thanks,
Wes
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The vendors keep us financially afloat so I go out of my way to support all our vendor. As you can see there are many new vendors coming in and they will all get as much from myself as I can spare and then some.
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Ok well all the reviews on amazon were overwhelmingly positive so I'll just use it, if it's good, till you make a video abt the change. Thank you for your help.
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Ok well all the reviews on amazon were overwhelmingly positive so I'll just use it, if it's good, till you make a video abt the change. Thank you for your help.
Its a great design.
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Ok well all the reviews on amazon were overwhelmingly positive so I'll just use it, if it's good, till you make a video abt the change. Thank you for your help.
Its a great design.
I second that!
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Has anyone been able to confirm the amazon one has the upgrades Travis had made to the Xisico ones? This would be my reason to order from Wes at airgunarcheryfun.ca, not to mention Wes (and Trivas too) has been very helpful with pic's, videos, and staying on top of the grease/oil thing.
Travis with the new oil bath compressors how often will they need the oil changed? Would it be easy to add an hour meter to it?
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Wes has there been any discussion on replacment parts support?
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Hi Mike,
I've asked Xisico about it and they said they don't have the parts in stock yet but once they come. In they'll provide parts support. Hopefully they've got some in this shipment. If you need something let me know by pm. They are sendong some other parts by air very soon.
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Are they ready yet ?
lol
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
he will now
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
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Well, I hope not :D, I've got mine bought and just waiting for the switcheroo and then shipping. But I know how you feel. My PP750 order was supposed to ship out February from Snowpeak and now it's May and nothing. But these compressors are no longer phantom, they are here in North America at Travis's place I hope, so there is hope!
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
ALL the compressors are at my house getting cleaned and gone threw. Ill ship them as I get them done. This is a BIG job, retirement will have to wait.
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So how do I get my hands on one these new compressors?
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
ALL the compressors are at my house getting cleaned and gone threw. Ill ship them as I get them done. This is a BIG job, retirement will have to wait.
Wow. Nice one Travis. Where are the ones you will rework going to?
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He's got all of them Xisico has, so Flying Dragon will get some, and I will, and Canadashootingsupply.ca will have as well.
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
ALL the compressors are at my house getting cleaned and gone threw. Ill ship them as I get them done. This is a BIG job, retirement will have to wait.
Wow. Nice one Travis. Where are the ones you will rework going to?
Out to dealers.
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So how do I get my hands on one these new compressors?
Threw the dealer network but I suggest using dealers who sponsor the GTA that’s the only reason I got involved.
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
ALL the compressors are at my house getting cleaned and gone threw. Ill ship them as I get them done. This is a BIG job, retirement will have to wait.
So, how many compressors are we talking about? 10? 100? 1000? This could be a really BIG job! LOL!
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Just got an email back from Mike @ FDAR....
my question to him was regarding the xisico compressors he is getting in soon,
question was....
will these be the oil lubricated type ?
his answer was...."no, have grease lube once every 50 hours"
so, whats up with that ?
maybe xisico has not notified all of there distributors yet about the change ???
Thats correct they havent notified any distributors yet. ALL compressors will come oil bath.
so its going to be another 6,8 or 12 months before the ultimate line is available for us users :-\
ALL the compressors are at my house getting cleaned and gone threw. Ill ship them as I get them done. This is a BIG job, retirement will have to wait.
So, how many compressors are we talking about? 10? 100? 1000? This could be a really BIG job! LOL!
currently 150
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Wow, what all is it going to entail to get these prepped for the oil bath instead of the grease? Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you! :o
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Wow, what all is it going to entail to get these prepped for the oil bath instead of the grease? Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you! :o
Strip the unit down and remove all the grease and reassemble then fill with oil and pressure test then ship unit. YES a lot of work.
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Wow, what all is it going to entail to get these prepped for the oil bath instead of the grease? Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you! :o
Strip the unit down and remove all the grease and reassemble then fill with oil and pressure test then ship unit. YES a lot of work.
How will the buyer know that they are getting one that has been reworked by you, Travis?
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Buy it from a GTA approved dealer ;)
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Buy it from a GTA approved dealer ;)
+1
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I have one from Wes with the grease in it. I am not able to take it apart, so I just need to know if the grease that came with it is OK to use or is there another type that would be better. Also, if a manual for it exists I would like to have one.
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Jeesh ! Seems like there is always something wonky in the airgun game.
So, was the grease added for shipping purposes or were the compressors designed to run with grease? And if they were designed to run with grease, why the switch to oil? Who determined oil would be better?
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I have one from Wes with the grease in it. I am not able to take it apart, so I just need to know if the grease that came with it is OK to use or is there another type that would be better. Also, if a manual for it exists I would like to have one.
Mike M has been testing one with grease and so far it's doing good. I never asked him about the grease that's in them but he'd be a good person to find out from when he does start selling them.
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Looks like I'll be buying one from a GTA-certified Vendor.
BTW, Wes- sending you a PM.
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Grease to oil swap. Not going so well. I've had leaky bottom Allen bolt. Now crank oil cross contamination into the gear reduction drive section.
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Grease to oil swap. Not going so well. I've had leaky bottom Allen bolt. Now crank oil cross contamination into the gear reduction drive section.
Maybe that's why the manufacturer went with grease to begin with. Are there any seals to keep the oil out of the gear reduction section?
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Grease to oil swap. Not going so well. I've had leaky bottom Allen bolt. Now crank oil cross contamination into the gear reduction drive section.
Maybe that's why the manufacturer went with grease to begin with. Are there any seals to keep the oil out of the gear reduction section?
Good question
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Zactly the reasons for my questions above.
Waiting for a response.
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retightened the housing cap screws. Refilled crank going to let it set see what gravity shows me later.
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Hi Guys,
Travis recommended the oil, and talked with JTS and they agreed oil would be best for longevity. JTS had switched to grease, probably to save maintenance issues for buyers, but Travis would know more about that.
Mike sorry to see you are having trouble. Hopefully Travis can help you out there.
As far as whether it's ok to continue with the grease it came with, the instructions I've received from Travis and Xisico is its fine to keep using as is with the grease it came with.
Xisico will continue to cover with warranty and if it fails then you can request a switch to oil if you wish, is my understanding.
Travis, feel free to comment or correct me.
Thanks,
Wes
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Buy it from a GTA approved dealer ;)
+1
I was thinking about this last night and thought it would be cool if Travis autographed the ones he switched over.
I am on Wes waiting list for one of these.
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I have one from Wes with the grease in it. I am not able to take it apart, so I just need to know if the grease that came with it is OK to use or is there another type that would be better. Also, if a manual for it exists I would like to have one.
@Travis
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I have one from Wes with the grease in it. I am not able to take it apart, so I just need to know if the grease that came with it is OK to use or is there another type that would be better. Also, if a manual for it exists I would like to have one.
@Travis
Wes kinda answered this:
"As far as whether it's ok to continue with the grease it came with, the instructions I've received from Travis and Xisico is its fine to keep using as is with the grease it came with.
Xisico will continue to cover with warranty and if it fails then you can request a switch to oil if you wish, is my understanding.
Travis, feel free to comment or correct me.
Thanks,
Wes"
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The question is.... will Xisico warrant the compressor if it is converted to oil? Or even use different grease?
Heck, that brings even another question to the table.... who will honor the warranty? Will the consumer have to go through the process of returning the thing to China?
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Headquarters are in Texas so no need to return to China. Travis is changing to oil on behalf of Xisico and at their authorization. Before switching to oil yourself, if you have a grease version from me or Mike, for warranty sake make sure to get it authorized by Xisico, through Mike or I, or directly speaking with Xisico.
There was 10 sold with grease, and Xisico has promised to take care of you guys.
The rest are going to be oil, so this will be no longer an issue once the new ones are sold.
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Thanks Wes.... that answers all my questions.
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I'm good Wes just topped off my Dominator 200b to 250b 2:38.
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Great to hear Mike! Glad to help Bill!👍
Looking forward to getting these!
Now we need to get printed off the oil filled manual for all the new compressors. The manual we had on the previous ones did not have any directions on oil changing.
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I am not able to change this thing from grease to oil, so I am going to use it as is. I would like a manual that matches the unit I have, and information on the grease. I sincerely regret this purchase.
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I believe the manual supplied is the basically correct one, except I was told that the instructions to grease it every 50 hours is no longer necessary. The grease system does not need maintenance.
I'm sorry you regret the purchase. If switching it to oil would help you gain confidence in it, feel free to pm me and we can see about what can be done.
As far as the grease system itself, this is what the Nomad and Nomad II, plus the New Warrior uses. Canadashootingsupply.ca and I have had good success selling the The New Warrior Compressors and as long as you use them for guns only they seem to work wonderfully.
Regards,
Wes
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I believe the manual supplied is the basically correct one, except I was told that the instructions to grease it every 50 hours is no longer necessary. The grease system does not need maintenance.
I'm sorry you regret the purchase. If switching it to oil would help you gain confidence in it, feel free to pm me and we can see about what can be done.
As far as the grease system itself, this is what the Nomad and Nomad II, plus the New Warrior uses. Canadashootingsupply.ca and I have had good success selling the The New Warrior Compressors and as long as you use them for guns only they seem to work wonderfully.
Regards,
Wes
I give up. I am just going to use it and toss it in the trash when it stops working. I regret the purchase because I have never purchased anything that did not match the ads, the manual or the reviews. I have had it since 10 April and have not turned it on because I did not know what I had.
Wes, this is no reflection on you. You are the best retailer I have ever dealt with. You have a genuine interest in your customers, process orders quickly and answer all inquiries immediately. Thanks.
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I believe the manual supplied is the basically correct one, except I was told that the instructions to grease it every 50 hours is no longer necessary. The grease system does not need maintenance.
I'm sorry you regret the purchase. If switching it to oil would help you gain confidence in it, feel free to pm me and we can see about what can be done.
As far as the grease system itself, this is what the Nomad and Nomad II, plus the New Warrior uses. Canadashootingsupply.ca and I have had good success selling the The New Warrior Compressors and as long as you use them for guns only they seem to work wonderfully.
Regards,
Wes
I give up. I am just going to use it and toss it in the trash when it stops working. I regret the purchase because I have never purchased anything that did not match the ads, the manual or the reviews. I have had it since 10 April and have not turned it on because I did not know what I had.
Wes, this is no reflection on you. You are the best retailer I have ever dealt with. You have a genuine interest in your customers, process orders quickly and answer all inquiries immediately. Thanks.
Just use it and enjoy and if anything happens or you just want a oil bath unit when there done Ill exchange it. No need to toss it LOl.
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Mine finally arrived! (Off amazon unfortunately....b4 I saw this thread) gonna test it tonight!
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Samuel, is the Amazon version you got with grease or oil ?
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It says grease...
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It says grease...
MikeM at Flying Dragon Air Rifles has been testing the grease version for a while now with great results so far. Being an airgun tuner I'm sure that he's been going through a lot of air with it.
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Hey Travis can you give us an update ?
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It says grease...
MikeM at Flying Dragon Air Rifles has been testing the grease version for a while now with great results so far. Being an airgun tuner I'm sure that he's been going through a lot of air with it.
about 95% of his tuning is springers, if not more..... ;)
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Hey Travis can you give us an update ?
Waiting for more pump oil to get here, it should be on Wednesday. Its a slow process but I will have most of the pumps back to dealers by next weekend. This is a one man show.
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Travis, Thanks for the update. I imagined it was a lot work.
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I bet those were pump R&R faries Travis caught on his security camera. ;D
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So, was the grease added for shipping purposes or were the compressors designed to run with grease? And if they were designed to run with grease, why the switch to oil? Who determined oil would be better?
Hey Travis I know somebody else asked this question: what is the main benefit from going from grease to oil?
Also did the compressors that came with grease in them have the upgrades that you had made to the previous version of compressor?
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So, was the grease added for shipping purposes or were the compressors designed to run with grease? And if they were designed to run with grease, why the switch to oil? Who determined oil would be better?
Hey Travis I know somebody else asked this question: what is the main benefit from going from grease to oil?
Also did the compressors that came with grease in them have the upgrades that you had made to the previous version of compressor?
Ditto.
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Yep they have the upgrades. Here's Travis response to that question on page 7
"ALSO I have the updated compressor in the shop testing it and it has all the upgrades I recomended and changed over to oil bath and it works awesome."
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Yep they have the upgrades. Here's Travis response to that question on page 7
"ALSO I have the updated compressor in the shop testing it and it has all the upgrades I recomended and changed over to oil bath and it works awesome."
Thanks Wes, the grease vs oil questions has not been answered yet.
Wes why are you having to do the oil conversions on the air compressors? I thought Travis was doing all of them?
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Well, I think the main reason is it is a lot of compressors for one guy to do, and Travis wants to retire sometime 8), and I want to get my compressors as i have a lot of money tied up in them, and can't afford to wait too many weeks. Travis promised to make a video demonstrating what to do and then I found out my compressors weren't in California as I had thought, but still in Texas, so when Larry asked me about it I said yes, I'd do it.
I may be regretting that later! Sounds like a fair amount of labor involved. I have a very handy brother with engineering training, so I'm hoping to roping him into taking a few days to help me. ;D
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Well, I think the main reason is it is a lot of compressors for one guy to do, and Travis wants to retire sometime 8), and I want to get my compressors as i have a lot of money tied up in them, and can't afford to wait too many weeks. Travis promised to make a video demonstrating what to do and then I found out my compressors weren't in California as I had thought, but still in Texas, so when Larry asked me about it I said yes, I'd do it.
I may be regretting that later! Sounds like a fair amount of labor involved. I have a very handy brother with engineering training, so I'm hoping to roping him into taking a few days to help me. ;D
Travis doesn’t actually want to retire does he? ;). I would like to know the reasoning for oil vs grease. Is it strictly a longevity thing where you can change the oil vs grease that is in there for the life of the machine? Or does oil allow you to fill larger bottles over .5L without wearing them out? Travis had posted some videos of the original oil bath ones stress testing them on scba tanks. I'm curious if Travis got the same results with the stress tests on the new oil converted ones?
Thanks Wes and Travis for all the work and info
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I would also like to know what was the deciding factor that oil would be better than grease. Was there a side by side comparison with definitive results that one is better than the other? If so, what were the testing parameters?.... fill times, temps, fill pressures and longevity to mention a few.
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IMO an oilbath wil transfer more heat evenly, where grease is just that.
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I've read responses that lend to the idea that grease is ok for short run direct gun fills and oil is better for longer fills such as small tanks.
IMO.... with the weight not being much different than scuba tank, I would prefer this compressor over a tank. Just bring it to the bench and fill the gun like I now do with my Vevor.... Advantage would be, no water and 12v option. After that it just becomes a matter of durability over the YH types.
Like I said before.... if and when my Vevor pukes, this might be my next compressor... hopefully my Vevor will last long enough to get some field time on the JTS.
BTW.... I don't need all the whistles and bells such as auto shut off... I never run my compressor unattended. Just the compressor and power supply will do for me.
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Yep they have the upgrades. Here's Travis response to that question on page 7
"ALSO I have the updated compressor in the shop testing it and it has all the upgrades I recomended and changed over to oil bath and it works awesome."
But, what were those upgrades and why? I don't think that question has ever been answered. It's seems to have been side stepped a lot, but I've never seen a direct response as to what the recommendations were, what was changed and why? Can we solve that mystery?
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I would definitely have bought one for sure if I hadn't bought my F10, toting a tank rather than a compressor is handier in my opinion anyway. Then you just never know I might eventually find a reason to buy one anyway some day ???
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Hi Guys, I am waiting for some more definitive answers myself. I'm assuming Travis signed a nondisclosure agreement about the upgrades or he would have told us by now. It'd be great to know!
I've asked Travis to respond with more details on the oil vs grease benefits so I'm sure he will once he's back. He's not home at the moment, but I'm sure we'll get some answers on that soon.
Thanks,
Wes
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Wes the only thing about that is Travis probably hasn't even used one of the grease versions yet. Mike M spoke highly of the grease version he's been testing so far.
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I'm thinking the grease version would suffice for my intended purpose. If I were in the market right now I think I would go ahead and order from Wes for the discounted price.
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Wes the only thing about that is Travis probably hasn't even used one of the grease versions yet. Mike M spoke highly of the grease version he's been testing so far.
You may be right Wayne. I know Mike has been testing a couple units with the grease. I guess a torture test with one of each side by side would be an interesting test to do.
Hopefully Travis will chime in soon on what he feels makes the oil a lot better. As mentioned earlier by James Back_Roads, I would think the oil would do a better job of leeching heat away, which Travis mentioned is the great killer of all these pcp compressors.
Regards,
Wes
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I'm also curious as to what kind of grease they're using too ???
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Wes... are you selling the 2 and 3 models?
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Hi Bill,
I'm not sure what you mean, but maybe you mean the version without the cover on Amazon?
I'm not selling that one. I am only selling the Xisico CS3, but I thought I'd offer the grease version to those that wanted it.
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Wes... are you selling the 2 and 3 models?
Bill I asked Travis about the amazon one a while back in a PM and he said "They are not the same. Get the one from AAF". That's all the information he gave, I'm guessing the upgraded parts were not in those ones?
Nevermind I didn’t realize xisico made the 2, I thought the 2 was only available on amazon.
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Thanks guys.... So, to be straight.... the one offered with no auto shutoff and such is not an Xisico model?
Nevermind.... through a bit of searching I answered my own question.
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Another question... lol
Wes, you mention the possibility of shipping one from Cali... would a guy still have the option of grease or oil? And is there I time limit on the availability from Cali?
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Another question... lol
Wes, you mention the possibility of shipping one from Cali... would a guy still have the option of grease or oil? And is there I time limit on the availability from Cali?
Hi Bill,
Any from Travis will have the oil in it. Mine are on a truck and heading up here. I can ship dhl to you though from Canada so it would be decently quick. I'll check prices to make sure it's reasonable and would be possible for me to do with the flat rate I have on my site.
Thanks,
Wes
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Thanks Wes.... now I need to justify it through the finance department.
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:-X I tried bypassing the finance department recently Bill. As a result I get a review of being able to sleep in the house again sometime around 2025 (if I live that long I am told). :P
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With nearly 100 airguns in the house, I'm running low on creativity.
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Wes’s site indicates an in stock date of June 18th. Ugh.
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Yeah ☹️, shipping is slower than I hoped. Anyway they are on their way. In Kansas apparently. 🙂
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I can see the next update; “they’re not in Kansas anymore!” Lol
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So seems that a fan wire came unsoldered. Also adding a runtime meter to mine.
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Hi Guys! Well, good news, Travis is busy changing oil on these now and if you guys want to have one drop shipped from him, or shipped DHL from me (arriving next Thursday here) you can check out on my website. Please choose the last shipping method option if you want it shipped courier from Travis(ups) or from me (DHL). It's $50 shipping for those methods, as I painfully discovered its costing minimum $75 DHL or UPS and more via ups to the east coast.
If you aren't in a rush, then I have the $25usd shipping option, that will come USPS priority international, as it's significantly cheaper to ship that method.
If you want it drop shipped choose the last method and put a note in the box at checkout saying please dropship.
Thanks,
Wes
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I just sent you a direct message about shipping.
Thanks
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I just sent you a direct message about shipping.
Thanks
Thanks!
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So seems that a fan wire came unsoldered. Also adding a runtime meter to mine.
Michael, does the run meter only meter when the compressor is pumping or when it’s turned on and the fans start running? Where did you wire it to?
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So seems that a fan wire came unsoldered. Also adding a runtime meter to mine.
Michael, does the run meter only meter when the compressor is pumping or when it’s turned on and the fans start running? Where did you wire it to?
I tied into the 2 big red wires on the circuit board. Used a multimeter to find which was positive. It only run when the pump was switched on.
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6 have gone out now from Travis to customers, plus a few that got sent from the earlier customers to get switched over to oil.
The ones on their way here finally got released from customs today so that's a relief!
Cheers,
Wes
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Mine arrived today via UPS. Wes did a great job in sending it directly from Travis. Everything looks great. Unfortunately I won't be able to use it for a few days due to my work schedule. Hopefully this weekend.
It was a pleasure doing business with Wes.
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Thanks! Hope it is a great air source for you!
Regards,
Wes
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Hi Guys, sorry for all the delays. I've got them now and have instructions from Travis on changing them over and I'll be working on catching up on orders of them this week.
Thanks for your patience on these.
They'll be shipping out with oil in a little bottle, the correct amount to fill it. So once you receive it, you'll need to pour the oil in with a funnel into the side port.
Regards,
Wes
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How necessary is it to have a little secondary moisture filter?
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I saw this review on the amazon one, I know the JTS one is oil and has the updated parts that Travis suggested:
"liveasyouwill
1.0 out of 5 stars Lasted TWO MONTHS, then FAILED -ran with a timer/NEVER ran over 15minute
Reviewed in the United States on June 2, 2020
Verified Purchase
This worked slowly, as expected, but GREAT, for only TWO MONTH, then slowly, it started filling bottle less and less. Now it won't even fill a PCP rifle tank to 3,000psi. I LOVED the AutoShutOff, but be watchful as the gauge is off. make your own markings so you know where 3,000 and 4,350, etc are, specifically! While it WORKED, that is.
Good luck and i suggest BUY ANOTHER BRAND. I spend a lot of money on this, never ran it over 4350psi, nor did i ever run longer than 15 minutes, wait a half hour before reuse. I never filled large bottles, the biggest i would ONLY top off from 3700 to 4,350 was a 68cubic inch Carbon Fill Station.
I thought I had FINALLY found a solution to my compressor dilemma. A portable, NOT SO LOUD, functional 4,500psi compressor for almost $620.00 after tax and protection plan. I am sad to see this little compressor quit on me. it was becoming a daily staple quickly."
Has Travis done any stress tests with the new JTS oil ones? I know he cooked a few of the very first ones (old style housing and square buttons) while he was making suggestions on parts to upgrade.
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The new ones are the same as the old ones as far as internalls go. The new ones have a better circuit board and better upgrades I recommended. So yes Ive torture tested the old and new ones. I wouldnt buy a grease version its likely hood of lasting as long as a oil bath are slim for many reasons. This is why I get hired to test things, to make sure they last. Buy only from recommended vendors and avoid those cheap units with no warranty or customer support on various sites.
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I saw this review on the amazon one, I know the JTS one is oil and has the updated parts that Travis suggested:
"liveasyouwill
1.0 out of 5 stars Lasted TWO MONTHS, then FAILED -ran with a timer/NEVER ran over 15minute
Reviewed in the United States on June 2, 2020
Verified Purchase
This worked slowly, as expected, but GREAT, for only TWO MONTH, then slowly, it started filling bottle less and less. Now it won't even fill a PCP rifle tank to 3,000psi. I LOVED the AutoShutOff, but be watchful as the gauge is off. make your own markings so you know where 3,000 and 4,350, etc are, specifically! While it WORKED, that is.
Good luck and i suggest BUY ANOTHER BRAND. I spend a lot of money on this, never ran it over 4350psi, nor did i ever run longer than 15 minutes, wait a half hour before reuse. I never filled large bottles, the biggest i would ONLY top off from 3700 to 4,350 was a 68cubic inch Carbon Fill Station.
I thought I had FINALLY found a solution to my compressor dilemma. A portable, NOT SO LOUD, functional 4,500psi compressor for almost $620.00 after tax and protection plan. I am sad to see this little compressor quit on me. it was becoming a daily staple quickly."
Has Travis done any stress tests with the new JTS oil ones? I know he cooked a few of the very first ones (old style housing and square buttons) while he was making suggestions on parts to upgrade.
Xisico's warranty is for a year!!!! amazon and ebay do not!!!
you should buy from only reccomended vendors, they will have the parts you need even after the warranty ends
i just received my 2nd one,,, i tortured my first for over a year,, loved the ease of use and low filling heat
i found with some pre-moisture filters installed there is more stress on the compressor, especially if it had desicant
i never seen water vapor come out of the bleed hose, i started to ressurect the first but the original wiring became my demise, one wrong move and i managed to have too many wires pull off their connections, the new harness is a ribbon style and a whole lot sturdier
i was a small part in bringing them to market, we could have released it over a year and a half ago but instead we chose testing and more testing to ensure you would be happy with the unit
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I saw this review on the amazon one, I know the JTS one is oil and has the updated parts that Travis suggested:
"liveasyouwill
1.0 out of 5 stars Lasted TWO MONTHS, then FAILED -ran with a timer/NEVER ran over 15minute
Reviewed in the United States on June 2, 2020
Verified Purchase
This worked slowly, as expected, but GREAT, for only TWO MONTH, then slowly, it started filling bottle less and less. Now it won't even fill a PCP rifle tank to 3,000psi. I LOVED the AutoShutOff, but be watchful as the gauge is off. make your own markings so you know where 3,000 and 4,350, etc are, specifically! While it WORKED, that is.
Good luck and i suggest BUY ANOTHER BRAND. I spend a lot of money on this, never ran it over 4350psi, nor did i ever run longer than 15 minutes, wait a half hour before reuse. I never filled large bottles, the biggest i would ONLY top off from 3700 to 4,350 was a 68cubic inch Carbon Fill Station.
I thought I had FINALLY found a solution to my compressor dilemma. A portable, NOT SO LOUD, functional 4,500psi compressor for almost $620.00 after tax and protection plan. I am sad to see this little compressor quit on me. it was becoming a daily staple quickly."
Has Travis done any stress tests with the new JTS oil ones? I know he cooked a few of the very first ones (old style housing and square buttons) while he was making suggestions on parts to upgrade.
Its probably a simple fix but he might have no idea how...so they rant! Also atmospheric conditions play a role....plus manufacturing is based on humans putting parts together...I know for a fact that a bad mood day or a headache or a fight with your spouse affects how people put expensive quality parts together....so that's how you end up with a lemon every now and then.
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I don't think that I'd buy one that didn't say Xisico on it, in my opinion Xisico is right up there with Snow Peak in their quality and workmanship. I remember SPA saying they were going to release one that appeared promising but it never came to light. I think it was a 3 stage compressor by the looks of it, it was in the 2018 shot show I think ???
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Thanks Travis for the info.
I have one on order form Wes when the oil conversion is done. I never considered the amazon one, 1 they are not available in Canada and 2 following this thread and knowing how involved you were with stress testing version 1 of these unites. I just wanted to make sure they didn’t change anything internally when they changed the outside.
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I managed to get 6 done this weekend, so a start at least. I'll ship them out Monday.
Sorry for those that have been waiting.
Happy Independence day! Hope everyone had a good one.
Wes
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..mmhhmm... very long story, looks like a lot of work/testing Travis has done is waisted again....
Very sad, wanted to buy this compressor, but after more than two years waiting (and missed the cheap Shoe-box)
I am lokking now for annother option.
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;D not sure why you say it's been wasted, since all the upgrades were added he recommended. I do agree it's been a real hassle all this switching back to oil, but Travis has been a huge part in making that happen and getting people the compressor that he tested and upgraded, so a big thanks to him!
He's also taking care of warranty issues and has been a big help and point of information for myself. There should be a video out from him soon as well posted on the forum for those getting these compressors on breaking them in and maintenance. For such a price I don't think you can do better, and have a professional taking care of things, despite the hiccups getting going.
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All I can say is Xisico beat SPA to the punch for an inexpensive portable compressor that appears to look very promising at the moment. Heck all the cheaper ones are going to be made in China.
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Heres the Video
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175640.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175640.0)
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Hi Guys, sorry for all the delays. I've got them now and have instructions from Travis on changing them over and I'll be working on catching up on orders of them this week.
Thanks for your patience on these.
They'll be shipping out with oil in a little bottle, the correct amount to fill it. So once you receive it, you'll need to pour the oil in with a funnel into the side port.
Regards,
Wes
Hey Wes, and all,
Got an email saying mine has shipped from California (at least label has been made). Either way it looks like I might be seeing it this week! Hope:)
Question is about the oil mentioned above. Travis, is this oil from them, or something you are putting in after you make the change overs? (Your own purchase?)
Also would be helpful if I knew what it was. Specifications, weight, viscosity,etc. , so I can pick up something same or close when I make it to the city.
Also many thanks for being so helpful Wes! Lots of other companies could use some lessons from you. :) And thank you to you both for getting one out the door so quickly.
Can’t wait to hear it talk to me. Hehe
Best, James
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Hi James thanks! The synthetic compressor oil included is this: Powermate Px P018-0084SP 100% Full Synthetic Air Compressor Oil, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZBNQ9W/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_j566EbQ5XS6YX (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZBNQ9W/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_j566EbQ5XS6YX)
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Big thanks for all your help and time spent helping me on this Wes !
I do kinda feel let down by Travis tho. I figured he might throw in a bottle of Royal Purple. Ya know, like the hat or bar-b-que grill the auto dealers used to do when you bought a new pickup. Haha!
Looking forward to checking it out. :)
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Big thanks for all your help and time spent helping me on this Wes !
I do kinda feel let down by Travis tho. I figured he might throw in a bottle of Royal Purple. Ya know, like the hat or bar-b-que grill the auto dealers used to do when you bought a new pickup. Haha!
Looking forward to checking it out. :)
I dont sell or profit from these compressors. I do consultant work for various manufacturers and share my insight thats about it. Glad your happy with your compressor Bro!
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Hi Travis, not a problem in world from me. Sorry if you didn’t catch the humor in my statement. It’s hot here as well. :)
Thanks for getting the pump checked out and headed this way pronto!
I should know in a few days what I think of it. Supposed to arrive before weekend. I’ll be saying either way.
Thanks again for all efforts and all (I read sometimes) :)
Best,
James
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I honestly expect to see good reviews from members about the Xisico compressor myself, thanks to Travis who went beyond expected avenue's in getting Xisico to set the compressor up right. From what I understand they have a good lower end in them too, I also like the fact they don't run so hot they have to be water cooled . . . . that is a big plus indeed.
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As far as I understand they are aircooled by fans..
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Posted on another thread but thanks Wes and Travis for making these units available.
Really liking it so far. Rob
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Posted on another thread but thanks Wes and Travis for making these units available.
Really liking it so far. Rob
What I have to say about Xisico products is they're top notch for their price, I'll be heading for the woods with my Xisico 702-3 that I recently purchased from HoosierDaddy, I did some mods yesterday to it and it's really slinging the lead really good, this one is going to be a pellet shooter even though it's very capable of shooting slugs as it is right now. Going through this gun completely yet still confirms that Xisico is top notch in my opinion.
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I am a little surprised to see that they are using regular compressor oil and not high pressure oil. I would have guessed they should used something like the Bauer oil.
Travis, did you compare the regular compressor oils to the high pressure ones for this unit?
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I am a little surprised to see that they are using regular compressor oil and not high pressure oil. I would have guessed they should used something like the Bauer oil.
Travis, did you compare the regular compressor oils to the high pressure ones for this unit?
This is the oil that it comes with it is not standard compressor oil. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZBNQ9W/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_j566EbQ5XS6YX (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZBNQ9W/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_j566EbQ5XS6YX)
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I am a little surprised to see that they are using regular compressor oil and not high pressure oil. I would have guessed they should used something like the Bauer oil.
Travis, did you compare the regular compressor oils to the high pressure ones for this unit?
I would think the oil is not under high pressure?
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I am a little surprised to see that they are using regular compressor oil and not high pressure oil. I would have guessed they should used something like the Bauer oil.
Travis, did you compare the regular compressor oils to the high pressure ones for this unit?
I would think the oil is not under high pressure?
I was gonna say this.... you beat me to it. If you got high pressure in the bottom end, you got a problem... ;)
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Travis with the new oil bath compressors how often will they need the oil changed? Would it be easy to add an hour meter to it?
These terminals on the control board are the coil connections of the relay that switches the power to the compressor motor. It is a convenient place to tap in for an hour meter. Top one is +12V when the motor is on, bottom is ground. A couple of quick disconnect terminals and you're in.
Putting the hour meter in is going to be a tight fit. I think a rectangular one might just fit next to the piston. I'm a little concerned about restricting airflow past the head.
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I use one of those vibration hour meters you can get off Amazon for $20. They can be stuck to the outer case and seem to do a pretty good job.
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I use one of those vibration hour meters you can get off Amazon for $20. They can be stuck to the outer case and seem to do a pretty good job.
LINK please
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That sounds like a great solution, no need to cut holes in the outer shell that way, or at least no big holes. 🙂
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Like this: https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV (https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV)
Looks like it has a lifetime battery so no batteries or power source needed. 👍
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Here you go: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G1ASSTC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G1ASSTC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I have one on my Benjamin Recharge and have used them on the Hatsan Spark as well. I don't know if they are accurate to the second like one wired to the power source, but they should give you a good sense of the number of hours they have run.
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Like this: https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV (https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV)
Looks like it has a lifetime battery so no batteries or power source needed. 👍
Looks like that one needs to me screwed to the case, the one I have comes with double sided tape. Of course, that one would probably work just as well with double sided tape also.
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Like this: https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV (https://www.amazon.com/AIMILAR-Wireless-Vibration-Hour-Meter/dp/B081MY6ZWV)
Looks like it has a lifetime battery so no batteries or power source needed. 👍
Looks like that one needs to me screwed to the case, the one I have comes with double sided tape. Of course, that one would probably work just as well with double sided take also.
Your correct paul,
The stick on vibe meter works perfect !!
I use several
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I wasn't aware of this type of hour meter. How long do they last? They all seem to be sealed units so when the battery dies you lose the time and need a new one.
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I wasn't aware of this type of hour meter. How long do they last? They all seem to be sealed units so when the battery dies you lose the time and need a new one.
I’m not too worried about it, the battery in the meter will most likely out live the compressor, or me for that matter! :o
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I wasn't aware of this type of hour meter. How long do they last? They all seem to be sealed units so when the battery dies you lose the time and need a new one.
I’m not too worried about it, the battery in the meter will most likely out live the compressor, or me for that matter! :o
I'm crossing my fingers that my compressor will be alive a long time.
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This vibration activated hour meter seems like a good idea however, if you are going to be transporting your compressor with this hour meter attached it is going to be activated by the travel vibrations. There is no on off switch for the meter.
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This vibration activated hour meter seems like a good idea however, if you are going to be transporting your compressor with this hour meter attached it is going to be activated by the travel vibrations. There is no on off switch for the meter.
Well, that depends... You transporting it in you truck, or strapped to the back of your Harley? My truck rides way smoother than a running compressor! That said, I can also say that I have not seen an increase on the hour count when I have transported it to the range in the past. I’ll have to pay closer attention next trip to be sure. But, I’m betting it takes a fair amount of vibration to activate it.
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Paul, the one you linked to has a Lock mode to keep it from reading during transit. On the other hand, might lose run time by forgetting to turn the lock off. :o
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Paul, the one you linked to has a Lock mode to keep it from reading during transit. On the other hand, might lose run time by forgetting to turn the lock off. :o
Good point! I'll have to try it with and without the lock next time I transport it and see if it makes a difference. Again, I don't think it get jostled enough riding in the truck to really register on the meter. I don't transport the Recharge, just the smaller Spark.
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Thank You Paul
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OK folks, where is the instructions for filling the oil ??
i see a plug between the fans, is that the fill port ?
i removed the plug and
its gotta orfice that looks like it will govern the oil flow and be a PITA
to fill !!
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Travis made a video that will get you going. I can't post the link, but search gtx compressor on youtube, you'll see it.
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Video link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH33_Apu3ps&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH33_Apu3ps&feature=emb_logo) ;D
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Travis made a video that will get you going. I can't post the link, but search gtx compressor on youtube, you'll see it.
thanks Dino, much appreciated !! 8)
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That video shows a full bottle of oil! Did you get a full bottle of oil? The bottle in mine was only half full!
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That video shows a full bottle of oil! Did you get a full bottle of oil? The bottle in mine was only half full!
1/2 or less this afternoon in mine and it didnt leak out either.... ???
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rubber plug over the hole between the fans is missing in mine.
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rubber plug over the hole between the fans is missing in mine.
That's where I ran the wire for the temperature gauge that's missing! :P
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That video shows a full bottle of oil! Did you get a full bottle of oil? The bottle in mine was only half full!
The bottle has exactly 1.5 ounces which is the correct amount. I sent the first 10 out with full bottles (2OZ) and guess what they all over filled their compressors LOL.
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rubber plug over the hole between the fans is missing in mine.
That's where I ran the wire for the temperature gauge that's missing! :P
These compressors donot have a temp gauge.
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Quick question for the experts about the CS3 from Airgun & Archery:
Will the CS3 leak oil if stored on it's side?
I just used the compressor to fill my avenger from 3000-4000 psi and just noticed there's oil under the floor.
I opened the top cover and saw oil splashed all over the place but don't know where it's coming from.
When I got the CS3, I tested with the dead head and then stored it on it's side until the avenger came.
Could there be a leak / problem or does it not hold oil on it's side?
Originally, it came with half a bottle of oil so I just checked the fill oil and made sure it was topped up to ~1/4 under the hole as shown on the video posted previously...
Thanks,
Rob
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Quick question for the experts about the CS3 from Airgun & Archery:
Will the CS3 leak oil if stored on it's side?
I just used the compressor to fill my avenger from 3000-4000 psi and just noticed there's oil under the floor.
I opened the top cover and saw oil splashed all over the place but don't know where it's coming from.
When I got the CS3, I tested with the dead head and then stored it on it's side until the avenger came.
Could there be a leak / problem or does it not hold oil on it's side?
Originally, it came with half a bottle of oil so I just checked the fill oil and made sure it was topped up to ~1/4 under the hole as shown on the video posted previously...
Thanks,
Rob
YES oil will leak out the crank vent DO NOT store on its side. Watch the video and adjust the oil level again if needed.
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Is that the orange plastic thing with the 2 holes on top???
I refilled oil and then ran it in a small burst with dead head and it's spurting out of this orange plastic thing.
Hopefully the 2 refills (with probably little oil) did not hurt it...
Thanks,
Rob
Quick question for the experts about the CS3 from Airgun & Archery:
Will the CS3 leak oil if stored on it's side?
I just used the compressor to fill my avenger from 3000-4000 psi and just noticed there's oil under the floor.
I opened the top cover and saw oil splashed all over the place but don't know where it's coming from.
When I got the CS3, I tested with the dead head and then stored it on it's side until the avenger came.
Could there be a leak / problem or does it not hold oil on it's side?
Originally, it came with half a bottle of oil so I just checked the fill oil and made sure it was topped up to ~1/4 under the hole as shown on the video posted previously...
Thanks,
Rob
YES oil will leak out the crank vent DO NOT store on its side. Watch the video and adjust the oil level again if needed.
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Yep that orange rod is the Breather for the crank case to keep any pressure from building up in the crank case, just like the Yong heng compressors. You'll need to run it for awhile and let it clean itself out. Good idea to put a filter on the fill whip too.
Now you know never leave it on its side 😁
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Thanks guys!
I will run it in short spurts with pressure release valve open until it clears...
You think the oil might get into the compressed output?
And I just put it in it's permanent upright position too... bummer...
Rob
Yep that orange rod is the Breather for the crank case to keep any pressure from building up in the crank case, just like the Yong heng compressors. You'll need to run it for awhile and let it clean itself out. Good idea to put a filter on the fill whip too.
Now you know never leave it on its side 😁
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Good idea to run it awhile or in spurts like you say. Travis says it won't hurt anything if a bit of oil gets on the high pressure side. It has a very high flash point so it won't blow up or anything.
Regards,
Wes
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That video shows a full bottle of oil! Did you get a full bottle of oil? The bottle in mine was only half full!
The bottle has exactly 1.5 ounces which is the correct amount. I sent the first 10 out with full bottles (2OZ) and guess what they all over filled their compressors LOL.
But you said 1/4" below bottom of fill hole, or some instruction like that....
The half full bottle didn't even come close to your level....so do we add oil to the
1/4" below fill hole level ??
Clarification in this is needed.
It's not a laughing matter.
Who else has stripped screw heads on the case?
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About half the screws were stripped on mine. One could not be removed, it just sits and spins! It’s as if they were installed with a power screwdriver and over tightened to the point the holes were stripped. Not sure if this was done at the factory or during the conversion to oil.
I need to get more oil, if a full bottle isn’t enough, then I definitely won’t have enough to even test it. Kinda disappointed in the whole experience at this point. You’d expect a new compressor to come with the correct amount of oil, adequate instructions and not have half the screws on the case already stripped!
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About half the screws were stripped on mine. One could be be removed, it just sits and spins! It’s as if they were installed with a power screwdriver and over tightened to the point the hole were stripped. Not sure if this was done at the factory or during the conversion to oil.
I need to get more oil, if a full bottle isn’t enough, then I definitely won’t have enough to even test it. Kinda disappointed in the whole experience at this point. You’d expect a new compressor to come with the correct amount of oil, adequate instructions and not have half the screws on the case already stripped!
I agree paul, it took a full bottle to get it 1/4" below the fill hole like directed in video.
Or maybe the wrong size tool stripped the screw heads.
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So, I ran it on/off for a few hours last night. It's still seeping out of the breather. Here's question for Wes, Travis or any other owners with experience:
I put a tissue paper over the breather holes and there's a very strong air pushing in/out with each stroke.
Could this mean my piston rings are bad or is this common/acceptable?
Thanks,
Rob
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As it needs to. As the piston moves up the volume of the crank case increases. When the piston moves down the crank case volume decreases pushing the air drawn in back out the breather. Now if it were a parallel twin with the pistons 180 degrees out from each other you wouldn't have that blowing out sucking in air movement just out if the rings weren't sealing correctly.
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Ok. At least it's not squirting out like before. Will keep an eye on it. I did notice oil coming out of the clear vent tube everytime I release the presssure valve now... Hope that clears up overtime too...
As it needs to. As the piston moves up the volume of the crank case increases. When the piston moves down the crank case volume decreases pushing the air drawn in back out the breather. Now if it were a parallel twin with the pistons 180 degrees out from each other you wouldn't have that blowing out sucking in air movement just out if the rings weren't sealing correctly.
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I always get a little very dark (almost black) oil out of the bleed tube after each use. I don't expect that to ever change. This is true even after an oil change. Good thing is that I don't get any showing up on the small final filter. So I assume that the water / oil separater is doing a good job.
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I got some synthetic HPA Compressor oil today and filled the crankcase to the recommended ¼" below the fill hole. I also ran it through the set-up sequence and all went well. I then topped off my AEA Backpacker (480cc CF Tank) to 3400 psi. It took a little over 5 minutes to fill and the temp gauge read 100.2F. For comparison, my Benjamin Recharge would have filled that air rifle in a little less than half the time and the temp would have been around 55C-60C (131F - 140F), so it does run cooler than the high speed, water cooled compressors.
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Travis says 1.5oz is the right amount. If you put more in you'll find it starts bleeding oil out when you bleed the compressor. Those bottles are 2oz bottles. It's not half full but just under 2/3 or so. I measure mine with a little glass measuring cup.
I was being a little too generous and putting a bit more than 1.5 Oz in the first few I sent, but I learned on my compressor that the extra you put in is going to come out, so better to stick to the bosses orders 😁.
Any coming from Canada have had the outer shell removed and put on with an old fashioned screwdriver. 😊
I did have one screw strip., but that's it.
There is moisture catching beads in the inline filter. If your compressor shipped with oil in it, you may want to change out the beads.
You can buy a pack of 4 bags of blue moisture indicating beads from Amazon here: they turn pink when wet, and can be baked dry and reused.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084SQQ9V4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Ww2iFbPXZBCKP (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084SQQ9V4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Ww2iFbPXZBCKP)
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I have been watching this compressor through its development, I am a happy shoe box owner, and have one of Wes Bobs Warrior compressors as a portable in my truck.
I consider this new design as a self contained shoe box, the one thing Shoe Box did not offer.
No it will not fill tanks, but weighs less than an aluminum scuba, and is easily portable.
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Wes, where is this inline filter located?
There is moisture catching beads in the inline filter. If your compressor shipped with oil in it, you may want to change out the beads.
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A little off topic question, but are there any instructions as to how to pack the inline filter? I have a Hong Yeng look alike (another story) and it came with virtually no instructions. There is a pack of what looks like clothe packing material, but I'm just not sure how they are supposed to be installed. Seem like they will restrict airflow? Anyway, any help pointing me in the right direction appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Rich
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Short answer: No! There are instructions, but nothing that details any sort of maintenance or repair. It does show where to add grease, but the one I got doesn't use the grease. I had the cover off, but didn't see anything that resembled an inline filter and there's not one of the fill whip, so I'm also interested in hearing about that. The only thing I saw that remotely resembled a filter was an aluminum tube on the intake that had a cotton tampon filter stuffed in it.
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Mine is on the fill whip, but it came empty and I'm not sure what the correct process to fill it is :o
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Mine is on the fill whip, but it came empty and I'm not sure what the correct process to fill it is :o
If you are referring to the in-line filter that typically comes with the YH, it should have come with some cotton filters that slip right into it. My Xisico did not come with any filter on the fill whip, which is why I'm curious to figure out where it is, if there is one.
These are what the YH in-line fill whip filter use:
https://www.amazon.com/Xeroy-Amasstu-Pressure-Replacement-Compressor/dp/B07W82XTV4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=replacement+cotton+filter+for+compressor&qid=1596204484&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Xeroy-Amasstu-Pressure-Replacement-Compressor/dp/B07W82XTV4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=replacement+cotton+filter+for+compressor&qid=1596204484&sr=8-8)
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Mine (oil version) did not come with any in-line filter as well...
Mine is on the fill whip, but it came empty and I'm not sure what the correct process to fill it is :o
If you are referring to the in-line filter that typically comes with the YH, it should have come with some cotton filters that slip right into it. My Xisico did not come with any filter on the fill whip, which is why I'm curious to figure out where it is, if there is one.
These are what the YH in-line fill whip filter use:
https://www.amazon.com/Xeroy-Amasstu-Pressure-Replacement-Compressor/dp/B07W82XTV4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=replacement+cotton+filter+for+compressor&qid=1596204484&sr=8-8 (https://www.amazon.com/Xeroy-Amasstu-Pressure-Replacement-Compressor/dp/B07W82XTV4/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=replacement+cotton+filter+for+compressor&qid=1596204484&sr=8-8)
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My apologies guys, it's inside the compressor, not a separate filter. I'll have to show on a diagram, but I'm on our only family holiday this summer til Monday so it'll have to be later. 🙂
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I posted this on Travis's "Xisico compressor video tutorials":
I just want to say that if you are in the fence about buying one of these compressors DO IT.
I received mine on July 22, from then till now (Aug 5) I filled my gauntlet 27 times. Some things that I have learned while using this compressor is:
-When you order it get 1000-1500 pellets with it! I shot a tin of 500 in 10 days, Wes has flat rate shipping so add a few tins to your order.
-When bleeding it: if you bleed it really slow like just barely crack the bleed valve, it may bleed your bottle as well. I first noticed this when I had an inline filter and 36" extension line attached. I then tried it with just the factory whip and notice that I would still drain the bottle if I bled it too slow. I've noticed that if you bleed the first bit quicker then slow it down it won’t bleed the tank.
-Order a vibration hour meter. I didn’t know these existed until a guy posted on here. The one I got has a sensitivity setting of HI or LOW, it needs to be set on HI for it to register on the hour meter. The fan running will not rack up hours only the shake from the compressor.
Thanks Travis and Wes
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I posted this on Travis's "Xisico compressor video tutorials":
I just want to say that if you are in the fence about buying one of these compressors DO IT.
I received mine on July 22, from then till now (Aug 5) I filled my gauntlet 27 times. Some things that I have learned while using this compressor is:
-When you order it get 1000-1500 pellets with it! I shot a tin of 500 in 10 days, Wes has flat rate shipping so add a few tins to your order.
-When bleeding it: if you bleed it really slow like just barely crack the bleed valve, it may bleed your bottle as well. I first noticed this when I had an inline filter and 36" extension line attached. I then tried it with just the factory whip and notice that I would still drain the bottle if I bled it too slow. I've noticed that if you bleed the first bit quicker then slow it down it won’t bleed the tank.
-Order a vibration hour meter. I didn’t know these existed until a guy posted on here. The one I got has a sensitivity setting of HI or LOW, it needs to be set on HI for it to register on the hour meter. The fan running will not rack up hours only the shake from the compressor.
Thanks Travis and Wes
Just an update on the vibration hour meter. It appears that it will only record run times of 1/10H (6 minutes) or longer. When I tested it for 6 minutes it displays 0.1. I have had 5 fills on my gun (3-4 minutes per fill) with it not recording the time (still showing 0.1). Looking for a wired one that will record short run times.
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Just an update on the vibration hour meter. It appears that it will only record run times of 1/10H (6 minutes) or longer. When I tested it for 6 minutes it displays 0.1. I have had 5 fills on my gun (3-4 minutes per fill) with it not recording the time (still showing 0.1). Looking for a wired one that will record short run times.
I wondered whether the digital ones would do that. I haven't put one on mine yet but I'm leaning toward a mechanical one. I can't post external links. If you search "AIMILAR DC 6-80V Mechanical Hour Meter" on amazon, that's the one I'm thinking of.
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I wonder is placement matters? I have mine mounted on top of the compressor and it seem to be recording just fine.
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I suspect what it does is:
Run 0:01-5:59 -> record 0.0
Run 6:00-11:59 -> record 0.1
Run 12:00-17:59 -> record 0.2
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New problem breaker switch on fans working no start or stop lights illuminated. No go!
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New problem breaker switch on fans working no start or stop lights illuminated. No go!
Pull top look at connector to main board probably wiggled loose
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Compressor run when hooked to 12v.
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Compressor run when hooked to 12v.
power supply has soiled the bed....... :o
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Sounds like inverter issue. Im not sure but I bet there a fuse inside that thing.
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My guess circuit board, 8 pin connector for those 2 switches. With fan switch on I get 12.23v on my multi meter on the large red wires on the circuit board. Still no lights on start and stop still no runnie lol.
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Sounds like inverter issue. Im not sure but I bet there a fuse inside that thing.
Has some thing for if it struck by lightening bolt. Fuse not seen one any where. Wes or Travis could you check with one xisico tech. See if they had this problem before. Dead compressor.
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Sounds like inverter issue. Im not sure but I bet there a fuse inside that thing.
Has some thing for if it struck by lightening bolt. Fuse not seen one any where. Wes or Travis could you check with one xisico tech. See if they had this problem before. Dead compressor.
Confused.... You stated it runs from 12v source or is that not correct?
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Sounds like inverter issue. Im not sure but I bet there a fuse inside that thing.
Has some thing for if it struck by lightening bolt. Fuse not seen one any where. Wes or Travis could you check with one xisico tech. See if they had this problem before. Dead compressor.
Confused.... You stated it runs from 12v source or is that not correct?
Yes the compressor motor will run if I connect 12v directly to the motor harness it runs. Connect all the wires like they are supposed to be. Only the fans run when blue breaker switch is flipped on still no power lights come on for the start and stop switch. And pushing the start button does nothing.
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Does that not narrow the issue to the power supply or am I missing something?
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Does that not narrow the issue to the power supply or am I missing something?
No not at all. I'm using the same 12v power supply that came with the compressor. Just disconnecting the main compressor wiring and than connecting the 12v jumper wires to the compressor electric motor harness.
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Does that not narrow the issue to the power supply or am I missing something?
No not at all. I'm using the same 12v power supply that came with the compressor. Just disconnecting the main compressor wiring and than connecting the 12v jumper wires to the compressor electric motor harness.
Ok, pardon my ignorance but..
If you hook the compressor up to a 12v power supply such as a car battery it runs fine but, if you use the 110v power convertor it don't work?
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Does that not narrow the issue to the power supply or am I missing something?
No not at all. I'm using the same 12v power supply that came with the compressor. Just disconnecting the main compressor wiring and than connecting the 12v jumper wires to the compressor electric motor harness.
Ok, pardon my ignorance but..
If you hook the compressor up to a 12v power supply such as a car battery it runs fine but, if you use the 110v power convertor it don't work?
Hi avator
I have not tried hooking it to a car battery to run it. I've only used it plugged to the inverter and household current.
When it gets a little daylight I'll give a car battery hook up a whirl. I expect the hooking to the car the fans will run but not the compressor. Will keep my fingers crossed avator.
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Just as I expected hooked to car battery the fans run but no start and stop light illuminated and pushing start button does nothing.
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Sounds like something went bad somewhere on the main circuit board. If you are by-passing the circuit board and applying 12v direct to the compressor motor and it runs, then something on the main circuit board is not switching as it should to allow power to the motor. Are there any fuses on that circuit board? Could it be the blue switch? Have you trying jumping that switch to see if the lights on the on/off buttons light up? You may have to send it back to have it repaired, or have Xisico send a new circuit board or switch if you feel comfortable swapping them out. Personally, I'd send it back for a replacement.
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Sounds like something went bad somewhere on the main circuit board. If you are by-passing the circuit board and applying 12v direct to the compressor motor and it runs, then something on the main circuit board is not switching as it should to allow power to the motor. Are there any fuses on that circuit board? Could it be the blue switch? Have you trying jumping that switch to see if the lights on the on/off buttons light up? You may have to send it back to have it repaired, or have Xisico send a new circuit board or switch if you feel comfortable swapping them out. Personally, I'd send it back for a replacement.
No fuses on circuit board. Lol had circuit board problems with my first compressor. Compressor was working fine pumped a gun up. 5 hrs later nothing. I thought ground problems of some kind. Checking our blue switch and all wires attached. Haven't jumped the switchs to see if the light come on.
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Sounds like something went bad somewhere on the main circuit board. If you are by-passing the circuit board and applying 12v direct to the compressor motor and it runs, then something on the main circuit board is not switching as it should to allow power to the motor. Are there any fuses on that circuit board? Could it be the blue switch? Have you trying jumping that switch to see if the lights on the on/off buttons light up? You may have to send it back to have it repaired, or have Xisico send a new circuit board or switch if you feel comfortable swapping them out. Personally, I'd send it back for a replacement.
Agreed... hooking it to the car battery narrowed the issue to the compressor itself and not the power supply.
Yep Yep Yep.... send it back.
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So countinuity tested all the power wires and ground wires all good. Checked stop and start lights lite up no problem.
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any update on the circuit board issue Michael?
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any update on the circuit board issue Michael?
It still don't work. Going to just wire it direct. And keep a eye on it when filling.
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Hi, I am new here so have pity, I did read the entire thread. I have a new Hatsan Bullpup .25, and I ordered an oil filled compressor from Air Tanks Plus in Sacramento. Is that store owned by one of the sponsors here?
I have some new questions.
1: Hard carry case? What works well for upright transport without being too large? What are the minimum dimensions of the pump and power supply, placed next to each other? An 8 gallon Action Packer is 11x14x10” tall inside. I already use one for my Caldwell Rock BR, so a second one would nicely coordinate.😀 but it is probably needlessly spacious.
2: What is the amp rating for the 12 volt cables, and is there an easily accessible fuse in the power supply or positive cable? What gauge are the cables?
3: Do the two power posts on the inverter/ power supply simply unscrew from the outside (no nuts inside)? I would like to add a couple of heavy terminals underneath the posts, with short pigtail cables (or ideally delete the posts entirely) and add a high quality 30 amp Anderson Powerpole connector. I would cut and modify the factory cable so I can just plug the mating Powerpole into the inverter pigtail (no clips) or plug the gator clips in to use from my truck battery. It would be a much cleaner and classier looking setup than clamping those clips on all the time.... The Powerpole pins do require a special crimp tool. I have been using these for many years and they are great.
Somebody asked this but I never saw a reply.
4: can I use my small Air Venturi inline moisture/ debris filter without restricting airflow? If not, what is a good larger unit? I will only be filling my gun’s tank.
I can’t wait to put away my hand pump! Thanks for your comments.
John Davies
Spokane WA
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Possible cases for just the compressor: $104 Amazon Prime - see pictures
John Davies
Spokane WA
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I got my new compressor yesterday, it arrived in fine shape, no damage whatsoever. I serviced it with oil, broke it in and then filled my Hatsan BullBoss .25 tank several times. Then I tried to adjust down (lower) the pressure safety valve to around 3500 psi from the higher factory setting. I struggled with it for a while with no success. BTW the video is WRONG about using needle nose pliers to turn the screw - you should use an Allen wrench in the center. The outer holes are air vents.
I finally took it apart and found that it was completely rusted and frozen. See pics. I have contacted the seller, not Hatsan USA yet, I will see what develops and start a new thread about this safety issue. If you have one of these units, look at your belleville washers ASAP so you don't get hurt. This should be a product recall.
John Davies
Spokane WA
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That is ugly but not a safety concern the unit wouldn’t explode if the discs failed it would be the opposite it wouldn’t reach pressure that said I would reach out to your distributor for a replacement unit and have them inspect it before shipping. Thank you for sharing I’ll forward this to the Manufacturer this isn’t acceptable.
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I disagree that it isn’t a safety issue ... it is the primary backup for the gauge - if that fails or you somehow move the needle too high, the safety valve will vent before your bottle over-pressures. I wanted to set it at 10% over my bottle max pressure, which is 2900 psi. What pressure does the disc rupture - 4500? That is way too high with a frozen/ disfunctional safety valve.
Anyway, I emailed the vendor and will see what he does, I sure don’t need a new pump, just the valve.
John Davies
Spokane WA
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Any idea when these will be back in stock?
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Canadashootingsupply.ca still has a few left. Hopefully the new ones will be here soon.
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Canadashootingsupply.ca still has a few left. Hopefully the new ones will be here soon.
whats the word on the disfunctional safety valve,
any recalls to date ?
who all has seen this problem with there compressors ?
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Canadashootingsupply.ca still has a few left. Hopefully the new ones will be here soon.
whats the word on the disfunctional safety valve,
any recalls to date ?
who all has seen this problem with there compressors ?
Its the only incident of its kind to date so far. As far as recals go there are industry standards to go by.Once a failure mechanism, and possibly the
root cause, has been established for a product,
it is important to determine if this is an isolated incident involving a single product or
whether there is evidence of a “pattern of
defect.” A strict definition of a “pattern of
defect” is not provided by the client. Therefore, the existence of a “pattern of defect”
depends on the specific circumstances associated with a given product investigation.
Review existing databases including listings
of product returns, customer complaints and
reported incidents should be conducted, preferably on an ongoing basis, in order to help
determine the number of failures of a specific product and compare this information
with historical data. Is this the first product
to come back or is this the 12th product in
the past three weeks to be reported? If there
is a spike in the number of field returns, the
next question is whether the failures are similar in nature. This requires a detailed examination of additional incident products. If
additional incident products are not available to examine, it is beneficial to review all
available photographs and reports associated
with these incidents.
If a “pattern of defect” is established after
a review of the failed products, it is necessary to determine how large of a population
of product is affected. Some of the important questions to consider in this determination include:
• Is this an inherent design problem? For
example, is the problem tied to the materials of construction? Is the problem with
a defective component? Is this component single-sourced or multiple-sourced?
If the problem is with only one component supplier, is there an easy way to separate out the unaffected population?
• Is this a batch problem tied to a manufacturing process deviation or temporary process change implemented based
on other constraints?
• Is this a problem only with certain models of product? For example, are there
differences in product construction that
determine if the product is susceptible to
a specific failure mode or unsafe condition? Can this be verified empirically?
• Are there geographical considerations that
make it possible to rule out certain populations of product? For example, are products much more likely to overheat and
cause fires in certain countries based on
standard power outlet voltages (e.g., United
States 115 volts, Europe 230 volts)?
What Is the Risk and Severity
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We've had very few returns. Of what we've had there has been a couple with problems filling up to 4500psi and filling slowly. Once Travis digs into those and finds if there is a common issue hopefully an easy solution will be found. I've been running one as my main compressor since this spring and it's still going strong, but I feel for the few that have had trouble and am curious to see what the solution ends up being. I'll take a look in my compressor safety valve. I haven't had any reports of this rust problem. And I've had a few take that safety valve apart.
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Oh! Xisico USA says the compressors are shipped and on their way to USA. Should be here around Christmas sometime.
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What is the latest on these compressors? Is there a problem with them or are they still proving to be a good investment?
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I continue to get good service from mine. Hundreds of fills on my guns in 20 hours of operation. I have been running Chemlube 501 since day one.
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Well, my Xisico CS3 compressor has started to slow down. It has been a faithful companion since purchase, 1 1/2 years ago, with few troubles along the way but now will not pressurize up to 200 bar. I have checked all the aspects presented in each of the videos and am now considering a rebuild/ replacement: Kind of an expensive item for just shy of 2 years service. Hopefully Xisico will be sending along a shipment of repair parts ( manuals, gaskets, seals, and such) with the new compressors. Does anyone have a legible schematic for these compressors? The one within the manual is difficult to read and the website is not any better.
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Well, my Xisico CS3 compressor has started to slow down. It has been a faithful companion since purchase, 1 1/2 years ago, with few troubles along the way but now will not pressurize up to 200 bar. I have checked all the aspects presented in each of the videos and am now considering a rebuild/ replacement: Kind of an expensive item for just shy of 2 years service. Hopefully Xisico will be sending along a shipment of repair parts ( manuals, gaskets, seals, and such) with the new compressors. Does anyone have a legible schematic for these compressors? The one within the manual is difficult to read and the website is not any better.
Pull the top head and see if the reed valve is gummed up.
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I have 26hrs run time on mine just filling guns.
I use it in the summer when high humidity inside my conditioned shop.
With lower humidity I use my F10 to fill bottles.
Also I use synthetic compressor oil, and no problems at all.
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Well, my Xisico CS3 compressor has started to slow down. It has been a faithful companion since purchase, 1 1/2 years ago, with few troubles along the way but now will not pressurize up to 200 bar. I have checked all the aspects presented in each of the videos and am now considering a rebuild/ replacement: Kind of an expensive item for just shy of 2 years service. Hopefully Xisico will be sending along a shipment of repair parts ( manuals, gaskets, seals, and such) with the new compressors. Does anyone have a legible schematic for these compressors? The one within the manual is difficult to read and the website is not any better.
Pull the top head and see if the reed valve is gummed up.
Thanks for the suggesting. Are there any gaskets to be worried about? I'll give it a look this afternoon.
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Well, my Xisico CS3 compressor has started to slow down. It has been a faithful companion since purchase, 1 1/2 years ago, with few troubles along the way but now will not pressurize up to 200 bar. I have checked all the aspects presented in each of the videos and am now considering a rebuild/ replacement: Kind of an expensive item for just shy of 2 years service. Hopefully Xisico will be sending along a shipment of repair parts ( manuals, gaskets, seals, and such) with the new compressors. Does anyone have a legible schematic for these compressors? The one within the manual is difficult to read and the website is not any better.
Pull the top head and see if the reed valve is gummed up.
Thanks for the suggesting. Are there any gaskets to be worried about? I'll give it a look this afternoon.
No gaskets, one o-ring
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Sorry for the trouble, hopefully that's suggestion gets you going again!
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I do have more of these in stock again now, and with the oil level window.
Thanks,
Wes
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I do have more of these in stock again now, and with the oil level window.
Thanks,
Wes
how much shipped to the U.S. ?
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Well, with the GTA5 coupon and courier shipping it ends up $525.78. If shipping ends up more than $5 cad/$4usd cheaper than you paid I send a refund for the overcharge.
Thanks,
Wes
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Lol, I just cut the price a bit to $525.78. Try to make it a little better deal 🙂
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Hey Wes, with these new units that are showing up with an "oil window" are there any other major differences? Has Xisico shipped parts and supplies yet? I sure could use a better schematic than what came with the Owner's Manual. For now I am using my computer to enlarge the image but it doesn't print and running back and forth from garage to study is getting old. Old like me!
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and do you still have to turn it on its side to pull the oil out with a syringe and refill in that
opening ?
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Has anyone found a good fitted soft case for these compressors that hold all the various tools and doodads as well?
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I am using an old carryon luggage bag with wheels for my oiless 12 v. portable, room for the converter and pockets for probes and the like, not sure about your compressor dimensions, but give luggage a look .
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Hey Wes, with these new units that are showing up with an "oil window" are there any other major differences? Has Xisico shipped parts and supplies yet? I sure could use a better schematic than what came with the Owner's Manual. For now I am using my computer to enlarge the image but it doesn't print and running back and forth from garage to study is getting old. Old like me!
and do you still have to turn it on its side to pull the oil out with a syringe and refill in that
opening ?
Hi! sorry for missing these questions. I heard they upgraded a few things, but haven't seen what they are other than the plug on the cord side has been removed unfortunately, and yes you do have to tip it on its side and fill the compressor by removing the fill window plug, then install the window again and then you can verify its at the correct level. It is more of a sight window to let you know when you need to add or change oil, which is handy for sure.
I can try scan the new parts diagram on the manual and print it off for you if that helps, enlarged. Or maybe Travis has a better quality one that he could attach here, that would be great.
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I am using an old carryon luggage bag with wheels for my oiless 12 v. portable, room for the converter and pockets for probes and the like, not sure about your compressor dimensions, but give luggage a look .
That's a great idea! I haven't used anything with mine, I just stick it in the trunk when out shooting, but it would be good to have something to carry it with tools included.
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Here's the new manual
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Hi WesBob
New Manual. Does that mean there's parts available?
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I bought this compressor and I can't even get past the part of the video where it talks about breaking it in. I found two rubber grommets, but neither are in this spot nor look like they involve oil. I took the two grommets off that I found, but it doesn't look correct. Anyone?
https://youtu.be/CH33_Apu3ps?t=388 (https://youtu.be/CH33_Apu3ps?t=388)
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Hi! Yep you Lay it on its side and remove the oil window cap with the socket and pour the oil in there. Then replace cap and stand back up. When changing oil use synthetic compressor oil.
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What oil cap window?
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The new style has an oil window on the right side.
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I didn't realize the window is also where to put the oil. Got it. The window didn't change when I added all the oil, but it seems okay.
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you dont see an oil line across the window ?
how much oil did you put in ?
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I put in all the oil it came with, since I believe it was a premeasured amount. I don't see any movement in the window.
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you gunna have to see what Wes or oldpro says on that one.
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Just change oil in my unit 2 days ago. No oil window in mine. Regular plug I fill mine sitting up and fill to just under the bottom threads of the plug. I'd say if you're filling to the bottom of the red dot on the windowed unit. And it's not blowing oil out the orange vent on the top of the compressor unit. That's good also.
Old oil looked a little darker but pretty darn clear.
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Hopefully Travis will comment on this. I had another customer say when they put the oil in it seemed there wasn't enough. So that is a bit strange. I know if you overfill the compressor it'll start spitting oil out the moisture release tube when you bleed the line, and Travis says not to put more than an ounce in there. But if that makes the oil window non functional that's not too helpful. :-\
I'll try to get to the bottom of this and see if Travis could weigh in here.
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Hopefully Travis will comment on this. I had another customer say when they put the oil in it seemed there wasn't enough.
That might be true of me too; not sure. I don't have any other oil on hand yet. This is my first PCP compressor purchase.
All I've done so far is go through the break in process per the video, so it's been run 4 or 5 times.
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@WesBob
Hey Wes I bought the compressor from you a couple weeks ago, put the oil in and ran it through breakthrough and then put it in my garage. Earlier this week I noticed it was seeping oil out through the bottom of the case. It was a healthy amount. At first I thought it must be I totally missed the the fill oil and got some in the case. So I filled it back up with some compressor oil and was really careful to go slow to fill it as to not spill anything. Then the next day its seeming out through the bottom again. I took the cover off and it appears that where the ?crank case? cover is bolted onto the main body the oil is coming out through that. Is there a gasket in there or RTV? Has anyone else had this problem? There's so much oil everywhere on the inside of the case its actually kind of hard to tell where exactly its leaking from.
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Hi! Just to make sure, this new model requires you to put the oil in the fill window hole. If you tried pouring it in the other hole then that's my bad for not making that clear when you purchased it. To fill it you need to tip it on its side and unscrew the fill window plug and pour it in there. If you put it somewhere else that will be the problem. If you did fill it through the fill window hole then there is a bad leak somewhere and we'll have to get Travis involved.
Thanks
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Hi! Just to make sure, this new model requires you to put the oil in the fill window hole. If you tried pouring it in the other hole then that's my bad for not making that clear when you purchased it. To fill it you need to tip it on its side and unscrew the fill window plug and pour it in there. If you put it somewhere else that will be the problem. If you did fill it through the fill window hole then there is a bad leak somewhere and we'll have to get Travis involved.
Thanks
Thanks for the quick reply Wes. Yes I put the oil into the oil view port hole. I took it fully out of the case to examine it. It is seeping oil where the chassis attaches to the motor cover (see attached diagram). I tightened the 6 chassis bolts with a torque wrench to 5.5 Nm with no change in leak. I'll try to take a picture of the affected area. I would assume RTV sealant would probably be used at the factory in between these parts, but I don't notice any if there is supposed to be some sandwiched in there.
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
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Ok thanks! I'll get in touch with Travis. This is a first for any I've sold so I'm sorry it happened to you. Lets continue our discussion by PM or email wesb2007@gmail.com
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
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Interesting!
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Interesting!
I have one test unit with over 100 hours with this mod and a thin coat of high pressure grease on the pistons.
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Hi Guys, i've got a bunch of these compressors back in stock now. Sorry for taking so long over Christmas, but they are finally here. I've also lots of filters of various sizes you can pair with it. I was able to get the same discount I got at thanksgiving so I've kept the price lower for everyone.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/jts-gx-e-cs3-compressor/
Regards,
Wes
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@WesBob
Hey Wes I bought the compressor from you a couple weeks ago, put the oil in and ran it through breakthrough and then put it in my garage. Earlier this week I noticed it was seeping oil out through the bottom of the case. It was a healthy amount. At first I thought it must be I totally missed the the fill oil and got some in the case. So I filled it back up with some compressor oil and was really careful to go slow to fill it as to not spill anything. Then the next day its seeming out through the bottom again. I took the cover off and it appears that where the ?crank case? cover is bolted onto the main body the oil is coming out through that. Is there a gasket in there or RTV? Has anyone else had this problem? There's so much oil everywhere on the inside of the case its actually kind of hard to tell where exactly its leaking from.
I recently purchased a JTS Xisico CX-E-CS3. I finally had time yesterday to unbox it and planned to follow the break-in/startup procedure. When I turned the compressor upright after adding the oil, I noticed the oil was dripping out of the bottom of the enclosure. I figured I had spilled some oil while filling. I decided to let it sit overnight just in case there was a leak. When I checked it today, all of the oil had leaked out. I refilled the oil and removed the top of the enclosure. Upon closer inspection, I noticed oil dripping from the bottom of the crankcase. I have emailed Xisico USA to see how to proceed. I sure hope they will replace it under warranty! Did you ever get your problem resolved?
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Hi! You can fill out this online warranty request https://xisicousa.com/consumer-repair-request/
They should send you a new one.
Sorry for the trouble!
Wes
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Hi! You can fill out this online warranty request
They should send you a new one.
Sorry for the trouble!
Wes
Thanks Wes! Hopefully I will hear back from them soon.
I really like the compressor & look forward to being able to use it.
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@WesBob
Hey Wes I bought the compressor from you a couple weeks ago, put the oil in and ran it through breakthrough and then put it in my garage. Earlier this week I noticed it was seeping oil out through the bottom of the case. It was a healthy amount. At first I thought it must be I totally missed the the fill oil and got some in the case. So I filled it back up with some compressor oil and was really careful to go slow to fill it as to not spill anything. Then the next day its seeming out through the bottom again. I took the cover off and it appears that where the ?crank case? cover is bolted onto the main body the oil is coming out through that. Is there a gasket in there or RTV? Has anyone else had this problem? There's so much oil everywhere on the inside of the case its actually kind of hard to tell where exactly its leaking from.
I recently purchased a JTS Xisico CX-E-CS3. I finally had time yesterday to unbox it and planned to follow the break-in/startup procedure. When I turned the compressor upright after adding the oil, I noticed the oil was dripping out of the bottom of the enclosure. I figured I had spilled some oil while filling. I decided to let it sit overnight just in case there was a leak. When I checked it today, all of the oil had leaked out. I refilled the oil and removed the top of the enclosure. Upon closer inspection, I noticed oil dripping from the bottom of the crankcase. I have emailed Xisico USA to see how to proceed. I sure hope they will replace it under warranty! Did you ever get your problem resolved?
Not a problem Ill take care of it.
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Thanks!
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
Is the compressor still holding up good Travis? Would this mod also work on the earlier greased version?
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
Is the compressor still holding up good Travis? Would this mod also work on the earlier greased version?
will work great and mine has 112 hours and no rebuild yet.
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Hi Travis, what is the best way to cut that bearing down (grind or cut, will heat be an issue?) and is there a known length or do we just measure first?
And could you point an arrow to the manufacturing drw/diagram where the bearing goes? Please and thank you!
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Also Travis, which high pressure grease do you recommend.
I'd like to do this mod when my oil timer says to change the oil!
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Mike Melick has them in stock right now for $400 which is probably the best deal you're going to find, you'd get it in a timely matter too if you ordered one right now you'd probably have it by next week.
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Says close out item and only one available. That's a great deal! Someone swill snatch it up quick I'm sure. :D
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I would snatch it up myself but my F10 is plenty for filling three different SCBA tanks that I have, the 30 minute tank is ideal for transporting in my truck. The last tank that I topped off is an hour tank which is great for filling something before I head for the woods that I know for sure I'm not going to need air in it. The gun I've been using in the woods the most lately is my AEA Challenger LS .22 and filling that to 250 bar I can get 2 hunts easily.
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When I ordered mine last week it said a qty of 1 then. Hopefully I didn't snag the last one ::). I like my first one so much had to get another when I seen the price on Mike's site. I figured when/if I get a bottle I can lead/lag the two so it fills quicker.
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
Is the compressor still holding up good Travis? Would this mod also work on the earlier greased version?
will work great and mine has 112 hours and no rebuild yet.
I posted a couple questions above....any more details on how to do this! I'd really like to try if I could just be sure what you're talking about specifically!
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
Is the compressor still holding up good Travis? Would this mod also work on the earlier greased version?
will work great and mine has 112 hours and no rebuild yet.
I posted a couple questions above....any more details on how to do this! I'd really like to try if I could just be sure what you're talking about specifically!
same here, Anyone have any notes or guides on how this was done? i have the spacer bearing showing up this week and currently have mine torn apart due to it blowing yellow ish &^^& ( probably the old grease it had in it) out along with crank case leaking. figured i might as well tear it all apart and clean it up and do this mod.
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Fairly self explanatory, remove the OE bearings, neasure their with and cut the bushings to the same width as the OE bearing, put back together. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1? (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?)
Very similar to how the Shoe Box compressors conecting rod is attached, mine lasted 4 years before replacement was needed. no oil.
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Here is the pic. After I refilled it (yes through the oil view port) it completely drains/seeps so that the view port shows no fluid over the course of 18-24 hours.
Supposed to be a oring in there. But since you got it out do you want to convert it to a oilless and greaseless no maitenance unit? Buy this bearing and cut it down to the roller bearing length then hammer or press it into the rod and your done!!! no oil ever again. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07SNV74HR/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_1?smid=A1THAZDOWP300U&psc=1)
Is the compressor still holding up good Travis? Would this mod also work on the earlier greased version?
will work great and mine has 112 hours and no rebuild yet.
I posted a couple questions above....any more details on how to do this! I'd really like to try if I could just be sure what you're talking about specifically!
same here, Anyone have any notes or guides on how this was done? i have the spacer bearing showing up this week and currently have mine torn apart due to it blowing yellow ish &^^& ( probably the old grease it had in it) out along with crank case leaking. figured i might as well tear it all apart and clean it up and do this mod.
I've been busy with school....i have the bearing but haven't got to this yet....please let me know how it goes and any hiccups? Pls.
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Is it possible to buy a bearing that is the correct size without cutting ??
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Is it possible to buy a bearing that is the correct size without cutting ??
good question !!
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Bill, over at Target Forge ( https://targetforge.net/shop/ols/categories/gx-compressor-parts?page=1 ) has parts and printable schematics for the GX SC2 & SC3 compressors. You might find something to work for your conversion there. If not you might send Bill an email and learn if he can source whichever parts you need.
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What is the correct size for the bearing ?
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So mine decided to stop compressing (or sending) air to my PCP today, after less than an hour of work on the total clock. All sounds indicate normal operation, except the needle doesn't move. Any ideas?
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Sounds like crud buildup in a reed valve .
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Sounds like crud buildup in a reed valve .
After an hour runtime?
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So mine decided to stop compressing (or sending) air to my PCP today, after less than an hour of work on the total clock. All sounds indicate normal operation, except the needle doesn't move. Any ideas?
Did you clean the check valve on the bottom under the brass nut yet?
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OK I should have tried the test plug. It does build up pressure now.
I tried two different fill probes for two PCP guns I have, and both did not fill properly which is why I assumed it was the compressor.
The only thing both fill probes have in common is this piece I’m pointing to. Could that be it?
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Try replacing the oring in the female foster
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OK I should have tried the test plug. It does build up pressure now.
I tried two different fill probes for two PCP guns I have, and both did not fill properly which is why I assumed it was the compressor.
The only thing both fill probes have in common is this piece I’m pointing to. Could that be it?
The one to the right of the one by your finger is definitely a test plug.
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I bought one of these from Wes when they first came out (oil free). There was a huge controversy about whether or not they should be filled with oil or not that lasted for several months. I finally decided not to add the oil and it has not failed yet. If this bearing is necessary I would like to know if one can be purchased of the correct size as I would have difficulty cutting it.
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OK I should have tried the test plug. It does build up pressure now.
I tried two different fill probes for two PCP guns I have, and both did not fill properly which is why I assumed it was the compressor.
The only thing both fill probes have in common is this piece I’m pointing to. Could that be it?
That piece screws into the probe to make it connect to the whip via the female foster. My suggestion is this, if it builds pressure with the test plug in then I would hook the whole system up to the gun and dip the fill probe and gun fill port under water and run the machine. you should see where the bubbles come out of.
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Travis after a long time of using my tank adapter needed some TLC, I ordered two seals for my North Shore bleeder and a new 7K fill whip for it, I was awestruck when I ordered and received it the next day. Very happy with North Shore compressors prompt class A shipping methods. It was the same experience every time I've ordered from them but this is the first time it arrived the next day.
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Travis after a long time of using my tank adapter needed some TLC, I ordered two seals for my North Shore bleeder and a new 7K fill whip for it, I was awestruck when I ordered and received it the next day. Very happy with North Shore compressors prompt class A shipping methods. It was the same experience every time I've ordered from them but this is the first time it arrived the next day.
Excellent Wayne!!!