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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: moorepower on December 04, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
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Amazon Prime Just in case anyone needs one or two.
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Signed up for 30 day prime trial and got it with 20% back that made it $160... at that price well it is lighter than the muzzle break .22 Buccaneer... that dang ugly can tho.. ::)
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It is an ugly LDC....but in my eyes, the whole rifle is ugly....so if I de-ugle the barrel, it would just draw attention to the rifle butt (same reasoning makes a big-butt girl look more attractive if they are blessed with a big bust line).
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Yup, just ordered mine though Walmart, so I can return it if it doesn't measure up ;-)
Got one of those cheap Chinese hand pumps and a Leapers scope for it already. Figured it would be a good loaner setup to entice some of the local airgun newbies around the hood.
Fuss
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ONly had one for 10-11 days....really have little to complain about , and much to praise. NEver had another inexpensive PCP fall into line as quickly/easily.
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I must be the only one on the planet that likes the looks of it :o Mine won't get any shooting till after the first of the year when work slows down some. I should be getting my package from the Netherlands for it shortly. I ordered a one piece probe, and one of those other things they sell because it was on a black Friday sale. I normally hate thumbhole stocks, but this is the most ergo air rifle I own and will surely see some action in the near future.
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I must be the only one on the planet that likes the looks of it :o ... the most ergo air rifle I own
You're not alone. I like mine very much. It isn't a pretty rifle but I like the simple, sturdy purposefulness of it. I like my Bantam in that same way; my two favorite rifles.
I got pretty good deals on both.
$172 Urban
$899 Bantam
The Bantam cost is over 5 times the cost of the Urban and I'm pretty sure it is not 5 times the rifle! 🙂
I've been able to tune the Bantam with it's Harper Sling Shot Hammer to produce 60 shots @ 14.5 fpe w/2.5% ES from 160 bar (2300 psi). To repump takes just 60 pumps of my modest Benjamin HPA pump; 1 pump/shot. I'm very satisfied.
Still, if all I had left was the Urban, I'd have a lot of fun and be pretty darn content!
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I like mine a lot as well.
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Great little guns for the price, bought two a while back for my son and I. Tigger mod turns an ok trigger to a good trigger!
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I put 1 in my stocking too.
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Out for delivery...
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I've been tuning my $900 Bantam 177 for 900 fps with 6.8 grain GTOs to plink lead-free in my forest. Today I tried to hit my 10" gong at 82 yds; missed 18 of 20 shots. Depressing!
Then I tried the 22 Urban GTOs (73% heavier). Hit it 5 times out of 6.
The wind is at my back today (see photo) and wind from behind can do funny things with light pellets (177 in particular).
Later, I noticed the wind had died down and hit my 82 yd gong 5 of 5 times with the Bantam.
So that Urban, shooting 22, for $140 is a heck of an air gun deal! I've used the Urban in a 25mph crosswind to hit the gong at 82 yds.
All shooting resting just the pistol grip(s) on my deck rail, no bag, no stool.
Bantam 16x scope 56mm
Urban 9x scope 32mm
I think you're gonna like the Urban.
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Was going to keep it "out the box"....did very well that way.
I caved.
Adjusted the suppliedstriker spring adjustment (nice they made the stock screw size the same as the striker adjustment size).
Did the trigger screw swap.
9 minutes and done.
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I caved.
No reason to deny yourself a nicer trigger and just the fps you want when the two adjustments are sooooo easy and simple to do. 🙂
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FedEx just delivered. Quickly slapped an ol' Leapers scope on her and this is the first 10 shot group at 22yds.
Not bad for a $200 gun! It will take me a bit to get better groups, because my old eyes are so used to the high power scopes.
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Nice looking groups Fussell.
I've got mine shooting in the mid to low 600's, need to chrono it again since I made some changes earlier. Had a chance to shoot a bit during my lunch break, at the low power setting I had a few 5 shot groups at 50 yards that could be covered by a dime, those made me smile. Had some that could be covered by a half-dollar, those also made me smile. I was outside, the sun was out (for about 5 minutes), and I was shooting a "budget" gun using cheap CPHP's.
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trigger job didn't change the measured average group size, but it is easier to shoot, so suspect it would be a benefit away from the bench.
I looked at it this way:
It'scalled the "URBAN"....
So figured it should be of a noise level and power level suitable for urban shooting....I just made it conform to that with about 9min. of work.
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I didn't spend much time with it as it was cold outside and dark was nearing and critters needin' feedin'.
Bought it as a loaner. Got a friend I'm gonna loan it out to this Christmas as he want's something he can do with his daughter. Not sure what distance they will be shooting and just zeroed it at 22 yds to start with. I was shooting 18 gr JSB's and didn't have time to drag the chrony out. Got a cheap chinese hand pump he can use with it. Haven't even tried it out yet.
I didn't like the magazine at first, but then I thought "Hey this is simple for a beginner to use". The Marauder type magazine would be a little more confusing to them? I'm spoiled by the Kalibrgun mags! LOL
It's fun and reminds me of when I first started out with my very first Marauder. I will say it's not in the same league as either of the Marauders I've had.
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UPS delivery has pretty reliably been from 3:30 to 4:30 PM for years at my house...That is about sunset here this time of year... :(
I did want the Longer Barrel Of the .22 Buc for the Heavy stuff but hey even at about 650 fps the 30g BBT will be fun to see how accurate I can get them to be...
Ed set a decent bar
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149700.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149700.20)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150114.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150114.0)
I do need to cast another batch of the BBT first but it will be fun seeing how it goes... Long term may carve my own stock for it and get it a longer barrel... It looks real nice in a Buc stock with a shroud also...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134362.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=134362.0)
stock is some $ but is available...
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/18754/BSA-Buccaneer-Stock-Beech-SS/ (http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/18754/BSA-Buccaneer-Stock-Beech-SS/)
that is the slight second...not a slight second is a bit more...
they have the yote stock also...
well the sun is sitting on the ridge so will not get to make a quick drive and test today... wonder if the Ruger pointed will do ok... or the Remington round nose...will be fun finding out.. ;)
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I didn't spend much time with it as it was cold outside and dark was nearing and critters needin' feedin'.
Bought it as a loaner. Got a friend I'm gonna loan it out to this Christmas as he want's something he can do with his daughter. Not sure what distance they will be shooting and just zeroed it at 22 yds to start with. I was shooting 18 gr JSB's and didn't have time to drag the chrony out. Got a cheap chinese hand pump he can use with it. Haven't even tried it out yet.
I didn't like the magazine at first, but then I thought "Hey this is simple for a beginner to use". The Marauder type magazine would be a little more confusing to them? I'm spoiled by the Kalibrgun mags! LOL
It's fun and reminds me of when I first started out with my very first Marauder. I will say it's not in the same league as either of the Marauders I've had.
Jimmy;
Be sure to school them on cycling the mag. If the bolt is not pull far enough to set the sear it will still chamber a pellet. Then when the bolt is pulled again it will double load. Chances are, if a double load is fired it will clip and damage the LDC (pickle).
If the sear does not engage on the first attempt, teach them to pull the bolt back and remove the mag before pushing it back in to avoid double loading.
I have double loaded a couple times and got lucky. Others.. not so much.
Another tip would be to to use a bright colored paint marker to mark the last position on the mag. This will help to avoid dry firing the gun. A dry fire won't hurt the gun but (especially if hand pumping) it will waste air. It could also be frustrating if you are zeroed in on a critter and PFFFTTT, no pellet.
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I didn't spend much time with it as it was cold outside and dark was nearing and critters needin' feedin'.
Bought it as a loaner. Got a friend I'm gonna loan it out to this Christmas as he want's something he can do with his daughter. Not sure what distance they will be shooting and just zeroed it at 22 yds to start with. I was shooting 18 gr JSB's and didn't have time to drag the chrony out. Got a cheap chinese hand pump he can use with it. Haven't even tried it out yet.
I didn't like the magazine at first, but then I thought "Hey this is simple for a beginner to use". The Marauder type magazine would be a little more confusing to them? I'm spoiled by the Kalibrgun mags! LOL
It's fun and reminds me of when I first started out with my very first Marauder. I will say it's not in the same league as either of the Marauders I've had.
Jimmy;
Be sure to school them on cycling the mag. If the bolt is not pull far enough to set the sear it will still chamber a pellet. Then when the bolt is pulled again it will double load. Chances are, if a double load is fired it will clip and damage the LDC (pickle).
If the sear does not engage on the first attempt, teach them to pull the bolt back and remove the mag before pushing it back in to avoid double loading.
I have double loaded a couple times and got lucky. Others.. not so much.
Another tip would be to to use a bright colored paint marker to mark the last position on the mag. This will help to avoid dry firing the gun. A dry fire won't hurt the gun but (especially if hand pumping) it will waste air. It could also be frustrating if you are zeroed in on a critter and PFFFTTT, no pellet.
Thanks Bill. Yes I have already double loaded it myself. Got lucky. No damage that I can tell.
It's easy to do and I was aware of it as soon as I did it.
Great idea on marking the mag with a pen. Thanks man!
Fuss
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NP....
Yeah, especially if loaning out the gun, you'll want to get it back undamaged.
I can see an unwitting shooter pushing two or three pellets in there.
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NP....
Yeah, especially if loaning out the gun, you'll want to get it back undamaged.
I can see an unwitting shooter pushing two or three pellets in there.
Oh yeah, I'll be going over the quirks of the gun with them. If the "Pickle" get's damaged I'll look into taking it off and modifying it for a new pickle. I've found a few ideas already. I've had a few damaged "pickles" on some of my previous guns.
Makes you appreciate a single shot gun! LOL
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Love my Urban.... it was number one until I got my Sumatra.
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If the sear does not engage on the first attempt, teach them to pull the bolt back and remove the mag before pushing it back in to avoid double loading.
+1 !
This has become so second nature for me and the Urban I tend to forget about it.
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I spent some time cleaning the barrel this morning.
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Got my Urban just now. The top of the box was cut off. USPS delivered it
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Got my Urban just now. The top of the box was cut off. USPS delivered it
Tony, yesterday when mine was delivered I noticed one end of the box was open? It wasn't cut off like yours but it was definitely open and you could see the butt stock of the gun when you looked inside? Mine was delivered by Fedex.
Everything was intact, but still made me nervous. Hope yours is OK? Did you order yours from Walmart?
Jimmy
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Well, she don't like the cheap crosman ultra mags from Walmart. I quit after 5 shots. The brown boxed Crosman's did pretty good. I don't even know if you get them in the brown box any more? All the JSB's did good of course, with the 18.1 grain coming out the winner. 10 shot groups on those and the brown box Crosmans. The diameter of the 10 shot group for the 18.1 gr is about the size of a pencil. All shot at 22 yds, because that's about the best I can see with a low power scope? LOL My eyes are terrible.
Oh, and Bill....don't know why I didn't notice it yesterday but the magazine has a little see through hole on it and you can see a yellow sticker shining through to let you know when you're empty. Love it!!!!!! And I've gotten really good and haven't double loaded a pellet since yesterday! LOL
Jimmy
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Mine likes pellets a bit on the heavier side. I also know about the little window in the mag. My old eyes just can't see it very well. I actually painted the second to last pellet position red and the last yellow. The red was an after thought or else I would have reversed the order. Red means one shot left, yellow is last shot.
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I got my urban Thursday night. The end of my box was opened too showing the butt of the stock. Everything seemed to be fine and intact. There was the gun, the fill probe with some replacement orings and grease, and the owners manual in the box. I hope nothing feel out.
I shot a magazine through it and the trigger was really bad. I looked at the trigger and realized the adjustment screw was missing. I went to the hardware store and got a couple 8mm pan head screws and a couple 10 mm flat head screws (they didn’t have any panhead screws). I tried the 8mm screw first and while better it still wasn’t great. I then put in the 10mm screw and that’s the winner for me. Still not as good as the at44 trigger but very acceptable.
It definitely doesn’t like CPHP and was scattering them pretty badly. I tried 5 shots of the jsb 18.1 and 5 of the JSB Stratons before it got to dark to shoot. It seems to like the Stratons but more testing is definitely needed. Both of them shot better than the cphp.
Comparing it to my at44 it feels like a lower quality gun. The magazine hasn’t done anything funky yet but sometimes the bolt probe doesn’t want to push the pellet through and I have to wiggle the bolt handle to load a pellet. I much prefer the side lever on the at44 and I like the magazines better.
I can’t believe how light the urban is I could see this being a good hunting gun because of it. It is super quite the only thing I hear is the ping. It is just as quite as my at44 with a DonnyFL ldc on it. I’ll be doing some more pellet testing later today to hopefully find the one my urban likes. So far I’m pretty happy with my purchase.
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... trigger was really bad. I looked at the trigger and realized the adjustment screw was missing.
No screw = no good. 🙂
First I've heard of that particular quality issue. Easy fix though. Great rifle for the money!
But, I don't appreciate spotty quality control.
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If your Urban slings a given pellet all over the place, it is likely that the given pellet is clipping a baffle. It also varies with the power setting. Remove the baffles, or trim them, and it will shoot most pellets pretty decent. Some better than others, of course.
With the baffles in, on different power settings, mine would shoot different pellets well and literally shotgun blast others. The baffles have little flashings on them that might touch different pellets at different power settings/velocities. Just my assumption, since they eat pretty much anything with the baffles out.
I would prefer to have the Urban without the thingy on the end. I prefer the Urban stock to the Buccaneer, that Urban stock is very ergonomic and it is a pleasure to carry and shoot. Not too hefty either, just right to me at least.
Returned mine for the faulty mag and baffles issue. Probably could have fixed it but I just didn't have the time or energy to tinker, especially with a $50 magazine.
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Walmart sent the double boxed! I am still waiting from Huma for my package from Black Friday, but as busy as it is, it really does not surprise me.
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For $199 you can't do better than that. I wouldn't even complain about the packaging. Double boxed... somebody is losing on this deal.
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Egads ... it is even uglier in person...My was double boxed from amazon and both were damaged on one end but not enough to hurt anything other than the boxes...
well I find it and my Buccaneer about the same on maneuverability and feel... much better than the ponderous Mrod... But if you pick it up after a Diana Storm... well then they feel a bit heavy...
always show my first groups for any pumper build or purchase it is kind of thing... so for the urban first groups go to reply #5... more testing to do... is 35 yards with JSB 15g 18g and 25g along with H&N Cudas and some CPUM( from tin)...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151471.msg1552076#msg1552076 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151471.msg1552076#msg1552076)
There is a real feeling of wanting this Urban to have a 24" .22 hornet barrel later on...
So far the Urban is more accurate than I am...
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... trigger was really bad. I looked at the trigger and realized the adjustment screw was missing.
No screw = no good. 🙂
First I've heard of that particular quality issue. Easy fix though. Great rifle for the money!
But, I don't appreciate spotty quality control.
At my Gamo GX-40 the second stage adjusting 2,5mm screw was too short probably because producers security .
I have changed it to longer one.
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I bought a CDT trigger for mine but since I did the longer screw I haven't even felt the need to install the CDT. I will eventually.
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Price going back up on the Urban to $299. on Amazon. Walmart still showing them for $199. What an incredible bargain. I got one and loved it so much I got another for my son who loves to hunt. I have a lot of airguns to compare the urban too and it's the best out of the box airgun I have. Wish I had known about this gun several years ago when I invested in so many Crosmans. The Urban's accuracy is right in there with my Jim Gaska hammer forged 22 barreled marauder. The Urban is really a fun gun to shoot.
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Also have no intentions of pharting around with the trigger any more (the longer screw mods works.....BTW, so does counter sinking the issue screw into the metal part that it screws into,so long as you don't counter sink too far).
Wet...windy...cool (front already pasted down here) so it'snot the best day for pellet testing.
But the wife is out....cvan shoot from the kitchen table while she'snot here...and get 30 yards on the home range. HAd to wait out the stray windfs, and pretty sure this isn't the best tyhis one has to offer...but it's what it offered today.
Rifle is still ugly.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/urban/1e9b5e17-d28e-430a-88e7-6f3c3ea32135.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/urban/1e9b5e17-d28e-430a-88e7-6f3c3ea32135.jpg.html)
Still seems to like 18.1gr. JSB's (or the AA versions) better than anything else I've tried so far.
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/urban/e97447d1-0122-4b42-9c04-b20205c1d41c.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/urban/e97447d1-0122-4b42-9c04-b20205c1d41c.jpg.html)
(Velocity at 2 feet...targets at 90 feet)
MODS:
1. Trigger screw mod. Actually took out the 10mm screw and counter sunk the isse screw for the same trigger feel).
2. Adjusted striker aspring tesnion down a little (just enopugh to give a firm feel to the sear setting as the bolt is pulled back). What difference that made to out-the-box velocity/energy pretty well got lose in the break in.
3. 10-shot groutps are always larger than 5 shot groups, bgut as the mag. holds 10 rounds, and the sweetest of the sweet spot last about 20 shots,figured I'd just go for 10 shots per target.
OK....I'll get at least some use out of those non-lead Sig/Sauer pellets that have been hanging around a long time (a ballistic-alloy Hollow Point? what'si hard enough to make expand on...a Golum?).
So even with safe(s) full of airguns,the evidence is that I'm keeping it (tuned the way she is):
1. Have opened a photo file under "Urban"...which pretty well indicates I intend to keep her.
2. HAven'tshoot much of anything else for a couple of weeks (except for a little quick comparsion to other "cheap" .22 PCP's).
Am keeping her just the way she is.
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so Chester ya gotta choose and so which would it be the Urban or the .22 Buc... which would go away first.. ;)
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I actually like the looks of the Urban, heavy at the back and heavy at the front,....balanced :)
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I actually prefer the Urbaneer. Ha The buccaneer guts in the gamo stock. My buccaneer shoots a lot hotter. 28 fpe with JSB 15.9 for 25 shots around 880 fps. Both the Urban and Buccaneer in 22 have a place in my "arsenal". The Urban shoots around 23 or 24 fpe depending on pellet choice. Both are extremely accurate but the nod goes to the buccaneer for 20 super accurate shots with no vertical poi shift. The urban gets 30 shots within 4% but has about l.5 in. of vertical poi shift. It will get 15 to 18 very accurate shots and some more serviceable ones out to 30 shots. I am aware that the internals are probably identical and with some adjustment of the hammerspring you could have basically the same gun but the Buccaneer has the bigger airtube at 153 ci compared to 103 I believe for the Urban. For benchrest shooting I like the heavier wooden stock but the gamo stock is really comfortable for hunting. I love both of these guns. I got two of the discounted BSA R10's but both leaked and I had to return them. They shot like lasers though and when I tried to exchange the last one they were out of stock and since then haven't been back in stock. I'm content for the moment with what I have but we all know that want last. .
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Still thinking about K.O.'s question. I'd have to choose the Buccaneer. I like the longer barrel and the UNF 1/2 20 threading for a moderator. Incidentally I put one of Rocker i's moderators on the buccaneer and it quieted that beast down. David does outstanding quality work. After i've had these guns awhile I'd like to answer that question again.
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...Rifle is still ugly....
I actually like the looks of the Urban, heavy at the back and heavy at the front,....balanced :)
I think it is a beautiful rifle, design is functional and still appealing to my eye. Would be nnicer without the giant muzzle device imo, regards to both looks and function. Other than that I think it is a great looking gun.
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My Buccaneer is .177... as for feel in use...it and the Urban well they feel about the same shouldered... I wonder if the urban guts can be put in a Buc tube... certainly want the larger tank if I go to a 24" barrel for pushing .217-.227 slugs... The Urban just does not feel enough different for me to not miss the larger air tube and longer Barrel... At the same time the way I use the Buc and Urban send ten in that pellets sweetest spot... well I do not really notice it...
in my Buc .177 it handles a lot of pellets very well some excellent... the heavies handle a full 3260 psi fill 10g do best about 2300-2500 psi... 7.9g do well at 1800 ish psi starting fill...
Hope the Urban is capable of the same... Heavy stuff with a full fill and 14 ish grain on a 2300-2000 psi fill... that is half the fun, finding what it likes and then finding the sweet spots in the fill...
http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/16128/BSA-Buccaneer-Cylinder-Tube-Rifle-Part-No.-16-9041/ (http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/16128/BSA-Buccaneer-Cylinder-Tube-Rifle-Part-No.-16-9041/)
My little .177 BARKS still... will make a shroud some day... really wanted the Buc .22 but just could not resist the Urban for 160... but an Urbaneer just is not but a little ways and about 75$ away in the future...if the extra air is needed...
Heck now I think I should have bought a few.. ;)
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As much as I like this one..can still poke a little fun at it.
RUN...he's got a grenade!!!!
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/urban/03b8b10a-61b9-4dc3-a278-f92a90a080db.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/urban/03b8b10a-61b9-4dc3-a278-f92a90a080db.jpg.html)
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The can is so ugly I am tempted to paint it green and put a sticker on it...
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A lumpy brown?...you make a "pickle" and I'll make it into a "Mr. Hankey".
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A lumpy brown?...you make a "pickle" and I'll make it into a "Mr. Hankey".
Perfect!
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The can is so ugly I am tempted to paint it green ...
Could you wrap with Camo duct tape and just make it disappear?
https://www.amazon.com/Duck-1409574-Printed-Realtree-Camouflage/dp/B006JIMY4M (https://www.amazon.com/Duck-1409574-Printed-Realtree-Camouflage/dp/B006JIMY4M)
:D
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It is what it is...we all knew from the ads it was a bit ugly, but you only look AT IT when you aren't shooting....when you are shooting, it's the same view though the scope as any other airgun.
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Seen one of those reality shows where they restore old guns and what not. They built a cannon and put a "pickle" on it. Took two of them to screw it on. It wasn't very effective.
The LDC on my Urban really don't bother me too much. I suppose it would look much worse hanging out there on a longer barrel. I've seen a few that were replaced with a full shroud. Looks way better... if I were inclined to up my investment..... I'm not.
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The can is so ugly I am tempted to paint it green ...
Could you wrap with Camo duct tape and just make it disappear?
https://www.amazon.com/Duck-1409574-Printed-Realtree-Camouflage/dp/B006JIMY4M (https://www.amazon.com/Duck-1409574-Printed-Realtree-Camouflage/dp/B006JIMY4M)
:D
I have the digital camo version of this Duck tape, and tried to tape in onto the ldc. It does't adhere to the polymer at all.
I also like the tacticool look of the Urban. The pistol grip fits my hand well and I've gotten used to that giant melon at the muzzle. Excellent, all-around budget shooter!
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Is that an aiRPG?
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Is that an aiRPG?
RPcpG ;D
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I was hoping for the Urban to be like my Buc...Not pellet picky... basically from bug hole to about .5 at 35-45 yards with a decent range of pellets... well it is looking pretty good on that front so far... Just tested some more pellets at 35 yards last night... kept fill pressure down to about 2300 or less for all but the Eun Jin domed... following the Buc .177 that only likes a full 3250 psi fill with heavy pellets... have to drop to ~2300 psi at the 10g stuff...
Eun Jin Domed 28g bug hole(.32" oto) first four shots... then a miss on me took it to .62 oto...
Close to the same with The Crosman 14.3 pointed 4 shots in a .4 bug hole and then shot 5 made it .7 oto...
The Remington Domed 14g... three in a .3 oto hole shot 4 took it to .54 oto and shot 5 I shanked... in my defense I was getting horizontal alignment on my target 2.8" above the crosshairs at the edge of the paper plate...
not doing so well was the RWS Superdome 14.5g... I think it is a matter of them going out to fast will try starting at a lower fill pressure... do not want to tune down at this time...starting at 2200-2300 the first two shot made a .3 hole then the next 3 hit about .4 low .6 OTO
Doing horribly was the Ruger 16g points that do great in my pumpers below ~750 fps... they were all over the place...
So far it likes the JSB 15g 18g and Monsters and what is above... and can not stand the CPUM and Ruger Points... So yep mine is not a pellet picky rifle like My .177 Buccaneer had me hoping for...
The Urban is doing great out of the box and the Storm only does great with two pellets so far But at 160 for the Urban and 130 for the Storm...both can do bug holes at 35 yards for about the same as I spent on the Buccaneer... Call me jazzed...
I think with some Barrel work the Storm will improve as did my $80 Maximus after barrel tuning... it will still get the 19.5" L.W. just to make it fit it's Diana name a bit better...
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I disremember....did you go for the 1st Generation Stormerider...or the 2nd generation(if you don't know, then one Question: where is the safety?)
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Gen 1 and I feed the pellet into the barrel with my thumb on the back of the bolt not using the bolt handle...so far so good on that issue.. ;) did break my Maximus bolt handle back when it was new...
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OK...posted this on the wrong thread...will correct that.