Author Topic: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG (Read 33662 times))

Wild Onion · « **on:** August 01, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »

Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.

Tater · « **Reply #1 on:** August 02, 2012, 01:22:55 AM »

Wow, cool to know. Hard to believe something like that passed in IL. I've had an FOID for 20+ years but I think this a good thing.

Tpatner412 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 02, 2012, 02:09:22 AM »

I just about crapped myself when I got the email from PA today. What a fantastic idea from the folks in our very own IL government. I am a happy tax payer today. Tomorrow, well we shall see.....LOL

Bullit · « **Reply #3 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:42:11 AM »

WOW and Congrats to Ill. legislation for some common sense.
I know you guys are happy...

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2012, 12:19:22 PM »

WHEN? WHEN? WHEN??

This is GREAT news! Is there an official act or link so I can take it to BassPro on Saturday? They required one (for which I applied, but it's not in the mail yet)

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »

http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
(1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
washable marking colors;"

YESSS!

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2012, 02:33:57 PM »

Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.

vadalejrfan · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2012, 02:40:09 PM »

Quote from: Wild Onion on August 01, 2012, 08:51:25 PM

Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.

We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step. jrfan

Tater · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2012, 09:30:23 PM »

Quote from: vadalejrfan on August 05, 2012, 02:40:09 PM

We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step. jrfan

Well said and very true.

Wild Onion · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:57:53 AM »

Quote from: FerrumB5 on August 05, 2012, 02:33:57 PM

Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.

*sigh* Did you talk with a manager? They would be able to make the call easier, or at least contact the right guy in the corporate office to get their store policy changed and communicated. Tell them they are gonna lose business to wally world if the don't keep up on the laws.

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2012, 12:00:09 PM »

I was a bit too perturbed to stay there any longer, so I left..

I should have talked to the manager tho, you are right

bodybag0 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2012, 03:27:48 PM »

Quote from: FerrumB5 on August 02, 2012, 12:29:53 PM

http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
(1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
washable marking colors;"

YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue. Help me to understand.

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2012, 03:30:14 PM »

The quote in my response is not 100% correct, as some words in the original Act are cross out. Please refer to the original IL Act.

Wild Onion · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2012, 07:22:54 PM »

I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!

FerrumB5 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2012, 07:25:32 PM »

I believe, your interpretation is correct.
Now - try to persuade stupid BassPro so-called assistants

Bullit · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2012, 07:26:44 PM »

Quote from: bodybag0 on August 06, 2012, 03:27:48 PM

Quote from: FerrumB5 on August 02, 2012, 12:29:53 PM
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
(1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
washable marking colors;"

YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue. Help me to understand.

Yes, as you are reading the existing law, before change...the 700fps was always the stickler in the existing law.
If the law is now changed, the 700fps restriction is removed.
Hope this helps. Mike

Bullit · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2012, 07:29:14 PM »

I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID

Tater · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2012, 01:19:28 AM »

Quote from: Wild Onion on August 06, 2012, 07:22:54 PM

I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!

LOL. Buy it!!!

Wild Onion · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:08:33 AM »

Quote from: KYMike on August 06, 2012, 07:29:14 PM

I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID

Even if it's under 700 fps?

Bullit · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2012, 11:19:22 AM »

Yes. As these calibers were never in the exempt list, since they are OVER the .18 limit. Remember; You had to meet BOTH requirements for exemption under the old law...SPEED & SIZE

I think the smartest thing about this change in the law, was to eliminate the speed requirement, and just state that anything under .18 is exempt. Too hard to enforce the fps rule, and a source for much controversy. Plus, the benefit of new revenue due to expanded sales taxes now. Makes sense to me.

But still...the limitation of .18 stands. Simple and Clear IMO.

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