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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #20 on:
October 08, 2020, 04:31:11 PM »
for the life of me. I have tried numerous settings and cant seem to get petg to stay put. first 10 min and all looks great. then the next the part starts to come up from the bed as if it is shrinking and pulling itself free.
I am trying this on the magnetic mat that comes factory. i've tried start with a 85*c bed setting the dropping it down at layer 3 to 75*c trying 90 with a 75*c drop next.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #21 on:
October 08, 2020, 04:51:54 PM »
Keep it the same temp the entire print. I keep it at the max bed temp the entire time for petg. Also do you have any birm being used?
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 08, 2020, 09:17:04 PM »
No brim. But I think I finally got it. it stayed out this time. I slowed down the initial layer about 5 mm in travel speed and bumped the hot end to 225°c and the bed up to 90°c. Then dropped it back to 220 on hot end and down to 70 on the bed. Print stayed put and turned out well. Was a bit difficult to get the print to pop off afterwards. But at least it printed well finally. And it adhered well this time. The part was a 11mm to picatinny rail, so I can watch my bipod on the condor, and test durability with a 75% infill. Got to get so m nut and bolts to attach it with tomorrow. Now that I seem to have things sticking I may reprint my we focus wheel.
Oh and I found my squeak which was a filament guide going into the feeder. And also had the Bowden tube loosen up at the feeder as well. It was slipping and poping during retraction and feed.
So I order the good Capricorn tube and replacement tube connectors as well as 2 more spools of petg and an all metal hotend.
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Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 09, 2020, 09:08:24 PM »
Well after my successful 11mm to picatinny adapter petg print. I finally got hardware to mount it. Got it on and barely a few turns tight. "Crack". Epic fail. Grrr. Looking at things, it apparent that when making a usable piece double check the print grain direction. It layer delaminated as it was printed with it positioned how it would be on the gun, top to bottom. So I rotated 90° to stand the print up right and 2 hours later a successful print and got it mounted. Wahoo. So 4 tries to get one good one. But can now repeat it if needed.
I also reprinted my vantage side wheel in petg. That turned out perfectly. So all in all 6 hours and 2 great prints today. Tomorrow should be new Capricorn tube and filament as well as an all metal hotend. Not to get my flashlight mount done up, and new baffles for my ldc.
I'll get some pics of today's petg parts posted up tomorrow.
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Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #24 on:
October 09, 2020, 10:05:37 PM »
That is par for the course really, I have wasted more than just one entire spool over the years. I have had 48+ hour prints fail in the last few hours. For bulk prints that I do a lot of often of small parts I make it so that they do not go past 10 hours. You seem to be ahead of the curve so far and don't ever get in a rut of it has to be this way and only this way. I had many prints fail no matter the adjustment turned out the OEM ender bodwen tube failed. It took me about 25 prints over 2 weeks to figure that out as I never thought it would fail that way. That capricorn tube will nip that in the bud before it is ever an issue for you.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 09, 2020, 10:55:03 PM »
Yeah my stock Bowden is giving me issues already. But it's not in the hotend it's back at the feeder gears. Slow steady feed rate gives no issues. But the retraction and back has it clicking and poping and shifting back and forth.
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Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #26 on:
October 10, 2020, 12:14:42 PM »
Go direct dive with a all metal hot end and never look back. Lots of options to do it cheap on the ender platforms.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #27 on:
October 10, 2020, 12:21:39 PM »
here are my petg parts. first two are the vantage side wheel. the my 11mm to picatinny adapter, so i could mount my bipod on my Airforce condor.
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #28 on:
October 11, 2020, 05:14:03 PM »
tried switching to an all metal hot end. The bigtreetech MK8 from amazon. Epic fail. tried for 8 hours and could not get bed adhesion at all with it. trying to get it setup to run the petg. All it did was continue to blob and make a huge mess of the nozzle. Switched back to the original and installed capricorn tube in it, and all is well after making a few adjustments to get dial back in.
Not sure what the issue is with the all metal hotend. granted its a cheap fake clone of the micro swiss. So instead i decided to order some all metal conversion throats from th3d that replace the factory throat. we'll see how those work out.
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
3d printing services as well. just send me an PM
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #29 on:
October 11, 2020, 06:00:29 PM »
Was the nozzle brass?
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 11, 2020, 06:30:58 PM »
nozzle was unknown. possibly a hardened one.
this is link to the one i got.
it seemed to me that there was a slight z height difference. I had switched to a set of stiffer bed springs but even at full compression they wouldn't go low enough to allow for bed leveling. i even tried to raise my z endstop and to compensate. even ran the temp up to 260 on extruder. all i could manage was a hot mess. i did switch back to the factory springs to get bed re-leveled. it would extrude with no problems, but only occasionally stick to the bed in random spot. got me majorly frustrated. especially when i swapped factory back in and 2 hours later had it running the same filament with no issue.
Maybe this one needs a higher output heater to work correctly. made the mistake of seeing bigtreetech and figured it was good to go knowing the company is pretty decent. but they don't even make the hotend.
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #31 on:
October 11, 2020, 07:26:48 PM »
I would hazard a guess it was the nozzle causing you grief. replace it with a brass once it should be better. I had that issue when I tried a hard steel one.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 11, 2020, 08:30:15 PM »
I'll try that once a new order for nozzles is placed. My initial order fail to be delivered. So got to look for a new kit of them. Once I get them I'll try again and see if things improve. Really like the all metal idea, so hate to give up on it. It's definitely a challenge to get it going..
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 11, 2020, 09:25:31 PM »
You could reuse the one on your original hot end or one of the spares.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 13, 2020, 09:45:00 PM »
Brass nozzles showed up today. Got one installed on the all metal hot end. Decided to update my cura to 4.7.1. What a disaster that was. Lost all my previous settings. Luckily I had them pretty well memorized. Cura failed to even start up. Tried 4.7 and that one also failed to start. So I ended up getting 4.6.2 running. Used to have 4.6. What A pain. No reason that I can seem to find on getting 4.7.1 running on my win7 laptop.
Been trying to print some baffles for my gauntlet, but they are stinging something terrible on the inside. Tried many tricks to get it to stop. All other parts are no issue. Did a few stringing test and no issues there. Kinda odd.
Tomorrow I may try to get the all metal hot end back on and see if I can get it working with the brass nozzle. Learning alot, and at times it can be a bear to figure out cause of issues. I had even gone so far as to increase my retraction length and speed but that's not helping. Then turned down my print speed and temps. Still no help. I think it must be something with my layers and the way it's slicing. It jumps around and squirts a bit here and there through the layers then does a circuit. Then jumps around again, causing it to drag plastic from the squirts. Could be as bad stl file. May remake the part and see if it clears up.
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Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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sb327
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 14, 2020, 09:27:24 AM »
Your in deep now! You’ve come a ways since I last visited this thread.
I never upgraded my firmware because I have a different board that I never got around to putting in. Factory board/drivers are holding up fine.
Where did you get the scope wheel and ldc files? If you need the ldc to fit tighter, you can reprint at a smaller %. I’m sure you know that though.
Looking good.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 14, 2020, 10:34:35 AM »
david,
my biggest reason for doing the firmware was due to the fact that the factory did not enable thermal protection. the unit is a major fire hazard with it off.
so i went the easy route and used th3d firmware. no issues and i can feel easy about leaving home with it printing and knowing it wont burn the house down.
the side wheel file i think i got from thingiverse. the baffles i'm currently trying to get a clean print were from AGN.
Still working on a better baffle system for my Airforce condor. i know i can get that quieter yet. bu issue there is the cones. when i slice them in cura they deform and don't look right in the slice preview.
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
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scion19801
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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Reply #37 on:
October 15, 2020, 03:20:52 PM »
Matt, ty for the nozzle tip.got the all metal hotend re-installed today. adjusted my retraction and worked on getting my be re-leveled. changed out the hardened for the brass .4 nozzle and the factory silicon sock even fit the all metal hot end( actually a better fit). thus far things seem to be working. got an actual part being printed and should be done soon. so i'll soon be able to see if it was worth the headaches to get this all metal working.
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Umarex Gauntlet .25, Hawke vantage 3-12x44 sf, jsar super tune kit, adjustable flex regulator, .38l bottle, rocker1 LDC
Airforce Condor .25 cal, Custom LDC. .145" tophat, power wheel 10, 24-2500 psi fills. 3d printed bipod adapter. Nikko mountmaster 3-12x50AO
FX Impact MK2 700mm .25 cal, element helix 6-24x50, slug kit, both superior liners, slug A liner, carbon fiber barrel liners. .22 stx original pellet liner and slug A liner in 700 mm. .30 cal superior liner. tuner shroud for 700mm.
Now with 720 power plenum and power block.
3d printing services as well. just send me an PM
https://cults3d.com/en/users/scion19801/creations
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 15, 2020, 04:06:18 PM »
Cool keep us posted.
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Re: Jumping into the 3d pool
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October 15, 2020, 06:39:13 PM »
I have found that petg likes a little extra squish on first layer to make it stick best. Glass bed and purple glue stick.
Keep us updated.
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