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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: SwampHunter on March 18, 2023, 10:29:43 AM
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probably asking in the wrong place lol but are they worth the 100 that they are on sale for? been wanting an under lever for a while but not sure if this would be the one or i should wait?
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probably asking in the wrong place lol but are they worth the 100 that they are on sale for? been wanting an under lever for a while but not sure if this would be the one or i should wait?
Right gate IMO :-)
This is an odd/unique underlever. The one on promo special has a synthetic stock. The one in video link has a wood (Turkish Walnut?) stock. Some of the Hatsan Walnut stocks are quite nice.
Suggest watching at least this one this video to see cocking loading sequence. It seems like a lot of work and it is. I got comfortable with it after a couple hundred pellets.
https://youtu.be/umgX_7y9A6U?t=443
Mine is not a walk all day lightweight hunter. Especially if followup shots are needed. More of a hide or bench shooter IMO.
I have one of the synthetic stock versions in 177 caliber. Got it a couple years ago at the same $100 (closeout) but it was also on a free ship weekend. I think my rifle is worth the $100 I paid.
This is a ~20fpe (realistically) air rifle and shares a similar power plant to the Mod95, Mod87,Mod85, Striker, Edge, and Airtact rifles. All use the same size Hatsan piston seal (small=27mm). The Hatsans I have in this family will all shoot 177, 22, and 25 quite well.
My OPINION is that the 25 caliber velocity is a little low so the trajectory is a little loopy for longer range shooting. I like the 25 cal for 20-25 yard shooting. The LARGER Hatsan spring piston rifles using the med=29mm and lg=30mm seals are really BETTER at shooting the 25 caliber.
No complaints about the 177.
My preference for this muzzle energy range Hatsan is the 22 caliber (~800fps). While the other calibers are fine shooters, the 22 cal just works a little better for my needs.
Classic underlevers can theoretically shoot with more accuracy because the barrel is fixed. The Torpedo series barrel isn't fixed. It doesn't "break" but it does slide forward/backward to load pellets. As long at the barrel "bearings" tolerance is ideal these rifles have the potential to shoot more accurately than break-barrels. Mine wasn't MORE accurate than my other Hatsans, but it was EASIER to to get the same groups when compared to the break-barrels.
Hope that helps :-)
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Thank you Mikey, it does, I think I'm gonna pass. Love low priced guns tho lol, just bout a qb79 an an xs60c that isn't even here yet lol
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I imagine it would just get set to he side, I have a rws 34 that just sits there now, may just use the money to have that one tuned
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Underlevers are more easy to shoot (thus more accurate ?) due to the weight of the lever at the front / often attached to the barrel. That helps with taming the barrel harmonics during the shot cycle, so an underlever spring piston airgun is less hold sensitive. This has nothing to do with a fixed barrel or not, that story is forum retorics :D
Anyway, I still fancy the 100x/105x as well, maybe I should buy one too. Personally I would pick the .25 cal because I like to shoot spring piston airguns up to about 30 yards (20 - 25 yrds preferred) because I think that is the distance where any spring piston will shine, regardless of the power output or caliber. So any caliber is valid, even though I think .22 cal is the best for this power plant indeed, but my simple theory is Hatsan = .25 cal ;D
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Well said Rudy lol, I agree the .22 is probably better for the power range. My reasoning Is I have always wanted a decent underlever,maybe this one could be it and like you said hatsan =.25.
I figure it should be fun shooting spinners, squirrel n rabbits within range plus it will be handy for defensive purposes. Defense of my rabbit cages n chicken coups that is lol. I am a very ethical hunter, but when it comes to protecting my critters I'll take any shot I can get. I figure a half way decent .25 shot will take care of most things trying to get my animals.
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Oh...it should be here some time this week,I couldn't take the pressure... ;D
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Good buy! I've had a 100x wood in .177 and 155 in .22. Sold the .22 155. When I bought my .177 155 I sold the 100x, the 155 is the same gun just bigger.
I also have a 135, and Dominator 200 carbine both springers and a Proxima.
They also have a refurb 155 in wood, .22, .25 for $129. Pretty gun.
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Good buy! I've had a 100x wood in .177 and 155 in .22. Sold the .22 155. When I bought my .177 155 I sold the 100x, the 155 is the same gun just bigger.
I also have a 135, and Dominator 200 carbine both springers and a Proxima.
They also have a refurb 155 in wood, .22, .25 for $129. Pretty gun.
Have been watching those for a long time. They are website error phantom rifles (NOT the Crosman kind ;-).
You cannot add that amount of "_Refurbished - Torpedo 155 Spring - .22" to the cart because there is not enough stock (0 remaining).
You cannot add that amount of "_Refurbished - Torpedo 155 Spring - .25" to the cart because there is not enough stock (0 remaining).
Have tried to contact Hatsan to advise them of the errors but very few have been repaired.
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Yes, I saw that Mikey, I would have gotten that one simply for the wood if it had been available
Was reading earlier through old post in the hatsan gate, I would be one of the "I'm never gonna buy hatsan again" guys lol. My bad experience was with a flash and I will admit once I sent it off to a friend, it shot great when I got it back. Hatsan couldn't fix the problem themselves after 2 trips, told me each time that there wasn't a problem.
Sorry for the rant lol, but this was too good of a price to pass up for me, ynmv. Plus I see lots of you guys that love the springers from them!
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Tim, I love the way the proxima looks! :o
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Tim, I love the way the proxima looks! :o
Yes, it looks good. Now I'm thinking about getting a Dominator 200 carbine in the wood stock from Aceros De Hispania. Only place I can find one.
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Oh...it should be here some time this week,I couldn't take the pressure... ;D
We'll here looking forward to the pictures, otherwise no pressure ;)
Nice buy and congrats in advance.
Btw are you planning to scope it ? My experience with Hatsans is they've very usable open sights and open sights are fun to shoot with !
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That kinda depends on the rifle Rudy lol, I would be fine with open sights if they are decent sights. Some of my favorite are the older ruger 10/22 and remington rifle sights. For the range this rife will be shooting I don't think I will need a scope, if so a small one maybe
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Also, I can't get this phone to take the right pics to post here. My old one I just had to have all the adjustments to the largest pixel size
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I got the 105x in yesterday! The bad, it squeaks every time I cock it? Seems to be getting quieter or I'm getting used to it. It's more to cock than I thought it would be. I can't hit chit with it lol.
The good, it shoots everytime lol. The open sights aren't terrible, I know the trigger will be good with some adjusting.
How long does it take for these to break in? Best I could get were 2" groups at 20yrds but I dont even have 50 pellets through it yet, I'm assuming these have a break in like a regular springer
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Congrats !
I would not be too worried, shooting 2" groups, open sights, 20yrds, with a new (kinda magnum) springer.
Though my Hatsan's all did shoot great right out of the box, albeit wearing a Red Dot or scope.
The squeaking sound will get less with breaking in the airgun. And else you'll need to apply a drop of oil here and there.
Definitely clean the barrel might help as well.
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So.....my kid can shoot it fine...apparently it's a user problem lmbo ;D ::) ;D but we tried it with Benji domes, it does quite a bit better with those, especially for him. He was hitting bulls at 20yrds!
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It's still a "springer" regardless of underlever cocking or spring style (steel-coil,air,gas) and will require the "perfect" hold for any good accuracy. Finding that particular hold, which is different for EVERY single springer, is one of the reasons I like them so much. Artillery hold many times but some rifles do need the tight death-grip for best performance. Break-in is for both the rifle and the shooter. The rifle should get get a little smoother as the parts bed-in and the barrel usually performs more consistently when seasoned. The shooter also gets comfortable with the rifle and learns all the little things that make it happy (or not!). Someone in your family has found the rifles "sweet-spot".
Is the noise a squeak or "honk" during cocking? I've had a couple air rifles "honk" like a goose when cocking. Some folks say "lube them". That can stop the honk for awhile but the rifle usually starts dieseling the lube and that doesn't work for me. Sometime the honk goes away after break-in, sometimes not.
On those persistent honkers I found my piston seals were just a hair too LOOSE. New snug fitting piston seals stopped the honk. While a just right light-fit seal is desired for a finely tuned sub 12fp precision air rifle, these 20fpe (and up) bargain springers really need a snug piston seal for best performance and longest service.
Sometimes a cheap rifle will really like cheap pellets. That's a win-win in my book :-)
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I would call it a squeak, it seems to be lessening as we shoot it. Definitely a win...with the pellets, it hates jsb kings, which the m-rod loves....translation for those of you that don't have kids shooting with you, I'll still have pellets for the m-rod when I go looking ;D
Any recommendations on a scope for it? I was going to try and just run open sights but they boy declared yesterday that we "needed" a scope for it so he can see up in the trees for squirrels.
I have been trying different holds myself, the boy just grabs n shoots ::). I'll get there with it eventually, if he let's me shoot it lol he told me yesterday that I really should just let him have it since he can shoot it and I CANT >:( ::) smart butt kids lol
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Perhaps should of jumped on these scopes when 50% off, this one is 30% ATM, keep an eye on this sale. https://www.amazon.com/SVBONY-Reticle-Instant-Turrets-Hunting/dp/B0822DCPHY? (https://www.amazon.com/SVBONY-Reticle-Instant-Turrets-Hunting/dp/B0822DCPHY?)
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/DC55F6AA-C571-4D32-AA83-1584ABF8A5B5? (https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/DC55F6AA-C571-4D32-AA83-1584ABF8A5B5?)
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Perhaps should of jumped on these scopes when 50% off, this one is 30% ATM, keep an eye on this sale. https://www.amazon.com/SVBONY-Reticle-Instant-Turrets-Hunting/dp/B0822DCPHY? (https://www.amazon.com/SVBONY-Reticle-Instant-Turrets-Hunting/dp/B0822DCPHY?)
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/DC55F6AA-C571-4D32-AA83-1584ABF8A5B5? (https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/DC55F6AA-C571-4D32-AA83-1584ABF8A5B5?)
I bought one of those, should be here Monday, but I didn't think it would hold up on that 105?
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Underlevers are more easy to shoot (thus more accurate ?) due to the weight of the lever at the front / often attached to the barrel. That helps with taming the barrel harmonics during the shot cycle, so an underlever spring piston airgun is less hold sensitive. This has nothing to do with a fixed barrel or not, that story is forum retorics :D
You cannot state that as fact, no matter how often you repeat it. Not when dedicated breakbarrel shooters on here and elsewhere describe the myriad ways the pivot link status of a breakbarrel gun affects POI.
Getting the pivot joint tightness right makes or breaks a breakbarrel gun's accuracy. Just a little too loose, or too tight, and the groups open up or move.
Many breakbarrels, including some high-dollar specimens, like my late HW95, cannot be adjusted to a perfect pivot joint tightness, due to (lack of) manufacturing tolerances, while others, like many Gamos, BSA's and Webleys have no adjustment there at all.
Just the manner of closing a barrel on a breakbarrel affects POI, which is kinda hard to swallow, but demonstrably true.
Then there's the wear at the barrel forks, at the barrel detent, even on the breech face, which can be seen on old, much-used breakbarrels.
Many breakbarrel guns are heavy, while some breakbarrels are both heavy and have a high relative mass at the front (like my WFH, with its H125 powerplant on a super-light plastic stock). These guns, too, have all the breakbarrel issues described above, while no fixed barrel gun has any of them.
Many HW97's and TX200's are highly hold-sensitive, so your rhetoric doesn't hold water there, either.
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Underlevers are more easy to shoot (thus more accurate ?) due to the weight of the lever at the front / often attached to the barrel. That helps with taming the barrel harmonics during the shot cycle, so an underlever spring piston airgun is less hold sensitive. This has nothing to do with a fixed barrel or not, that story is forum retorics :D
You cannot state that as fact, no matter how often you repeat it. Not when dedicated breakbarrel shooters on here and elsewhere describe the myriad ways the pivot link status of a breakbarrel gun affects POI.
Getting the pivot joint tightness right makes or breaks a breakbarrel gun's accuracy. Just a little too loose, or too tight, and the groups open up or move.
Many breakbarrels, including some high-dollar specimens, like my late HW95, cannot be adjusted to a perfect pivot joint tightness, due to (lack of) manufacturing tolerances, while others, like many Gamos, BSA's and Webleys have no adjustment there at all.
Just the manner of closing a barrel on a breakbarrel affects POI, which is kinda hard to swallow, but demonstrably true.
Then there's the wear at the barrel forks, at the barrel detent, even on the breech face, which can be seen on old, much-used breakbarrels.
Many breakbarrel guns are heavy, while some breakbarrels are both heavy and have a high relative mass at the front (like my WFH, with its H125 powerplant on a super-light plastic stock). These guns, too, have all the breakbarrel issues described above, while no fixed barrel gun has any of them.
Many HW97's and TX200's are highly hold-sensitive, so your rhetoric doesn't hold water there, either.
Sorry, you have not convinced me yet with your reply…
My personal- and other shooters experience during 7 years of Hunter Field Target competition tells me different. A quality break barrel like a Weihrauch or Diana just locks like a safe. Heck, I have even seen someone outshooting the top of the HFT1 class (= PCP) with a HW50s in the HFT2 class (= spring piston). Fact, the HFT2 class is typically dominated by HW97s and TX200, just because they’re least hold sensitive.
So if you have read between the lines, it comes down to the shooter anyway. The rest is fluff.