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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Guns And Related Accessories Review Gates => Scopes And Optics Gate => Topic started by: jjohnsonlta on October 22, 2022, 12:42:19 PM
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I was trying to find a scope with the windage turret on the left and elevation on the top. Well they basically aren't made that way. Windage always on the right. So wondering if rotating your scope so the elevation turret is on left and windage on top would make any difference other than having to turn the correct one sighting in?
Now you're thinking why would he want to do that? Well I am trying to use my red dot along with my scope and have a 45 degree mount. I can get it to mount on the left side but that makes me have to tilt the gun away from me which seems awkward. Tilting toward me seems much more natural but with the turret on that side my red dot won't fit.
They make a scope ring with a picatinny rail so the dot would be on top of scope. I could use it but I would have to use the red dot high mount to clear the top turret from line of sight. Also further away from scope.
I want the dot as close as I can get it to the scope using the low mount. Rotating the scope would give me what I need if that would work so hopefully someone knows if it would be possible.
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IMHO I can't see why not as long as you remember which knob is which when you make any adjustments.
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Maybe, but tilting you rifle when you are shooting will cause cant errors.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQZQFq79r0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQZQFq79r0)
According to this a red dot doesn't have that problem.
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Check this one out too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvx1GJNUA4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvx1GJNUA4)
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Maybe, but tilting you rifle when you are shooting will cause cant errors.
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Seems if you zero canted it should shoot okay canted.
They make scope mounts with picatinny rails on the scope rings.
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Rotate it 90 degrees and windage becomes elevation and elevation becomes windage. No problems. Any factory markings will be off the normal position otherwise everything should work fine.
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Rotate it 90 degrees and windage becomes elevation and elevation becomes windage. No problems. Any factory markings will be off the normal position otherwise everything should work fine.
That's what I was wondering.
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Am I visualizing this correctly?
That would also turn the reticle 90*
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The guys in the action sports tilt their rifles to use the red dot mounted on the side.
ONLY FOR SHORT RANGE targets.
All powder burning barrels have their barrel tilted a bit vertically to help counter the effects of gravity.
The rise of the bullet and fall of the bullet is clear evidence of that.
When you cant the rifle you are in fact throwing the bullet further to the right (or left) away from your intended target.
The further away the target the more the effect.
You do not need a red dot to prove this.
Shoot your rifle at 25 yards with your scope.
Turn your rifle 25 degrees and shoot at the same target.
See?
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All powder burners have the barrel tilted vertically to what? Line of sight or the action of the gun?
Dave
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Rotate it 90 degrees and windage becomes elevation and elevation becomes windage. No problems. Any factory markings will be off the normal position otherwise everything should work fine.
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Maybe, but tilting you rifle when you are shooting will cause cant errors.
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Seems if you zero canted it should shoot okay canted.
They make scope mounts with picatinny rails on the scope rings.
Yes, at one range!
All other ranges will be off.... :-[
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All powder burners have the barrel tilted vertically to what? Line of sight or the action of the gun?
Dave
Receiver.
If you track your bullet’s (pellet) flight it rises above point of aim and then lowers back to point of aim.
For field target for example the maximum range we shoot is 55 yards.
So, we zero at the half way point (27 yards) where the pellet reaches the apex of the arch.
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It IS NOT tilted up relative to receiver. Period.
It may be tilted up to line of sight, that’s what a scope, red dot or even iron sights do.
Dave
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Rotated my scope and I have the red dot mounted. Will sight both in and report back on how this works out.
Thanks for replies.
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Other pic
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It is the same with a bow & arrow.
Most traditional archers shoot off of the shelf.
The shelf is just above the hand holding the bow.
They angle the bow to get a better view of the target (or animal).
With the arrow just above the wrist canting the bow little effect on the arrow trajectory.
Now, if the archer was shooting off of an elevated rest, say an inch or two above the the handing holding the bow, the arrow would be cast away from the intended target.
Canting the barrel of your rifle does the same thing.
Don’t have to be rude or argumentative..
Just shoot and you will see.
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Am I visualizing this correctly?
That would also turn the reticle 90*
Yes it would, no problem with the simpler reticules such as plain crosshairs, duplex. Some of the complex specialty reticules, yes it would be a problem. I did not think of that earlier.
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I have not shot a bow in over 50 years, so have forgotten all of that. If a scope, optical sight, diopter are canted so that the axies are not both perpendicular and horizontal, then for example any change to a vertical adjustment will induce some horizontal movement, and that would make it difficult to accurately zero
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I have a mil dot scope so rotating it 90 degrees was fine. I had no trouble re-sighting in my scope. Got my red dot sighted at 40 feet to handle the closer areas. I need to do some shooting now to see what I think of this setup. Glad the scope rotating worked out for this setup.
I purchased a scope ring that has the picatinny rail on it also. I am going to mount the red dot on top of the scope to see which setup I prefer. I could place the ring in front of the top scope turret but I still have the scope bell that might be visible through the red dot.. I do have both a high and low mount with my Romeo5 red dot. I will have to see but would rather use the low mount.
The gun I am doing this on is my Stroeger Bullshark bullpup 22 cal. It's a rat, starling and squirrel killing machine. Also a fun target gun.
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After having to rotate my scope to get my 45 degree mount to work on the right side of my gun with my red dot I decided I really didn't care for that. I now have my dot on top of my scope and really like this setup. I was even able to use the low mount that came with my Romeo5.