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Title: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Sahaja on June 07, 2022, 09:54:54 AM
Looking into scope upgrades for my springer, folks keep mentioning the ZR zero recoil mount.
At first glance I'm skeptical, moving parts on a scope mount seems like a non-starter. My logic brain says that every little moving part is another possible failure point, on a gun that's already proven it breaks fragile mounts. BUT they do seem to have a following, and I'm willing to learn more before I write them off... Opinions?
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: mpbby on June 07, 2022, 10:26:20 AM
The idea behind the ZR sounds great, the doubt would be if it really happens.  A springer has two opposite recoils.  The first one when you squeeze the trigger and the much harder one when the piston reaches the end of its course.  With the first one the little spring of the mount is compressed and, supposedly, during this moment, with the scope 'floating' and without a point of support to receive the impact, the second recoil happens.

On the other hand, you have the dampa mount DM60 (or DM70 for 30mm tubes).  It has rubber O-rings inside that, obviously, reduce the impact of recoils.  The doubt would be - how much reduction they provide?   
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Bayman on June 07, 2022, 11:57:25 AM
I've had two Dampa mounts. One on a Rx1 and the other on my R1. Both magnum springers. Never had a scope break or lose zero with either. I've even ran an underrated Hawke Vantage 3-9x40 on both guns with out problems. That's saying a lot because the Rx1 was a beast.
Anyway that's my experience with the Dampa mount and now my preference. I've never handled or used the ZR mount so I can't help you with that.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Roadworthy on June 07, 2022, 12:55:19 PM
I have three of the ZR mounts.  They do work.  I disassemble them and lube the rails with molybdenum disulfide powder so they slide freely.  The base mounts on your gun while the scope obviously mounts on the top.  When the gun is fired it recoils normally but the scope kind of stays in place due to inertia. When the second recoil happens the base returns to its beginning position under the scope.  Thus the scope sees minimal recoil.  No stop pin is required though they do include a tiny one.  They also have a bit of droop compensation built in.  I've never tried the Dampa mount.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Sahaja on June 07, 2022, 01:22:45 PM
I have three of the ZR mounts.  They do work.  I disassemble them and lube the rails with molybdenum disulfide powder so they slide freely.  The base mounts on your gun while the scope obviously mounts on the top.  When the gun is fired it recoils normally but the scope kind of stays in place due to inertia. When the second recoil happens the base returns to its beginning position under the scope.  Thus the scope sees minimal recoil.  No stop pin is required though they do include a tiny one.  They also have a bit of droop compensation built in.  I've never tried the Dampa mount.
Are the internals metal on metal, or do the rails ride on O rings?
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Yogi on June 07, 2022, 01:37:06 PM
Talk to Hector about the ZR-1.  He uses something similar to liquid ball bearings.
They work!  With a hard kicking springer, and you have the hardest kicker, you need something.

-Y
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Sahaja on June 07, 2022, 04:23:10 PM
I found a couple old threads about it. Looks like the Hector accurized versions are nice and the rest are less so at least on the magnums. That might be worth it if they're still available. I don't know if the dampa works on the 48 without a droop adapter.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 07, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
I'm sure Hector can get you one of his accurized ZR mounts. It may take a week or two depending on how busy he is.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: uglymike on June 08, 2022, 02:32:09 AM
I found them very UN user friendly. No torque specs, vaguely worded English "as a second language" instructions. There's a screw that EVERYBODY strips out on the mount, they even supply you with an extra screw because they KNOW you're going to strip it out in advance. I spent several hours trying to get mine to work properly, was never successful. I ended up using it as a set line sinker. The most expensive mount on the market is made in China. Used to be made in Germany, but switched to Chinese manufacture. Another Chinese Diana product......I wouldn't take another if you gave it to me.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Yogi on June 09, 2022, 09:28:31 PM
I do not think that hector will respond for awhile.
He is at the Field Target World Championships in Italy shooting with his ZR-! scope mount.
Enough said. 8) ;D

-Y
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: SteveP-52 on June 09, 2022, 10:38:43 PM
For what little this is worth, there are Gen 1 and Gen 2 mounts.

The Gen 1's were made in Germany and if not mistaken, what started the "Hectorized" mount tweaks
because of the slight bit of slop among other minor issues they had.

The Gen 2's, production got sent to China, have a Made in China sticker on the bottom and the box
states New Version on it. I have one but only have a 1000 or so rounds on the rifle it's on so while it
seems to work as advertised, at least for me, the jury is still out.

Moving them to Chinese production also spawned more than a few knock-offs under different names
you can find on Amazon for $18-$20. Differences are minor ones but just enough to let them skip past
and copy right infringement issues. I have a couple of those too. 1 for dovetail and one for picatinny
although I haven't tried either one yet.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Back_Roads on March 18, 2023, 11:57:56 AM
 I have been using a knock off mount on a Hatsan 95 for a month now, as rattly and slopy as it feels, it or the $20 dollar budget scope is holding up fine.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Madd Hatter on March 18, 2023, 06:22:34 PM
I just installed chicom knock off on my hatsan 125 sniper in .177 and even though all I did was just install it it seems to hold zero pretty good. I also have I also have another chicom knock off on my Diana m48 .177 which has a vortex kit in it. I installed a no name bundled scope that came with my Aspen and it survived perfectly off hundreds of shots. They help cheap scopes survive on known scope killing springers. I modded the knock off on my 48 to remove the slop it had. The second one so far seems to not need any modding.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Bayman on March 18, 2023, 09:10:49 PM
Thank goodness we're promoting cheap chicom products. Penny wise Freedom foolish. I hope you like living inside a 15 minute city. Ugh!
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Roadworthy on March 18, 2023, 09:37:18 PM
Although I have found the so called Chicom mounts from Ali Express to be of inferior quality ( I tried to cheap out) the simple fact is that although the ZR mount is designed in Germany the ones I've purchased are actually made in China.  I think the quality control it tighter, though.
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Yogi on March 18, 2023, 11:19:20 PM
Thank goodness we're promoting cheap chicom products. Penny wise Freedom foolish. I hope you like living inside a 15 minute city. Ugh!

+1

-Y
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Artie on March 19, 2023, 10:37:54 AM
For what little this is worth, there are Gen 1 and Gen 2 mounts.

The Gen 1's were made in Germany and if not mistaken, what started the "Hectorized" mount tweaks
because of the slight bit of slop among other minor issues they had.

The Gen 2's, production got sent to China, have a Made in China sticker on the bottom and the box
states New Version on it. I have one but only have a 1000 or so rounds on the rifle it's on so while it
seems to work as advertised, at least for me, the jury is still out.

Moving them to Chinese production also spawned more than a few knock-offs under different names
you can find on Amazon for $18-$20. Differences are minor ones but just enough to let them skip past
and copy right infringement issues. I have a couple of those too. 1 for dovetail and one for picatinny
although I haven't tried either one yet.

If memory serves correct... HM said there are now three generations of the ZR mount (bonafide).
... as far as promoting cheap Chicom products... that train left the station years ago. "American made" has been replaced with "American assembled".
Title: Re: ZR Mount opinions?
Post by: Yogi on March 20, 2023, 11:10:30 AM
For what little this is worth, there are Gen 1 and Gen 2 mounts.

The Gen 1's were made in Germany and if not mistaken, what started the "Hectorized" mount tweaks
because of the slight bit of slop among other minor issues they had.

The Gen 2's, production got sent to China, have a Made in China sticker on the bottom and the box
states New Version on it. I have one but only have a 1000 or so rounds on the rifle it's on so while it
seems to work as advertised, at least for me, the jury is still out.

Moving them to Chinese production also spawned more than a few knock-offs under different names
you can find on Amazon for $18-$20. Differences are minor ones but just enough to let them skip past
and copy right infringement issues. I have a couple of those too. 1 for dovetail and one for picatinny
although I haven't tried either one yet.

If memory serves correct... HM said there are now three generations of the ZR mount (bonafide).
... as far as promoting cheap Chicom products... that train left the station years ago. "American made" has been replaced with "American assembled".

I think you mean just American sold... :-[ :(

-Y