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July 23, 2017, 11:22:40 AM »
Earlier this year I got my first riffle scope, a Hawke Vantage 3-9X40 AO Mildot IR. I do like the scope but often it is more magnification than I need and when i shoot targets at different ranges I get a bit tired of having to adjust the focus every time (it gives the birds a little extra time to fly away), plus I'm also looking to drop a little weight as the HW77k is already heavy enough without a scope for me personally.
Now I recently bought a used Hatsan which came with a BSA 4X32 AO scope and while the scope wasn't very good -the reticle dropped about a quarter inch on the 10 shot or so, so I assume it's toast- I really liked how it stayed focused anywhere from 4 to 40 yards without adjustments and the wider field of view is also very welcome benefit to me.
So my question is; is it normal for 4X32 scopes to have this wide range of focus or was this just a fluke on the BSA perhaps? And if this is the norm for these type of scopes than why do they make them with as well as without AO?
I'm considering getting either a Hawke Vantage in 4X32 or 2-7X32 or maybe the Airmax 2-7X32 (I really like the AMX reticle on that one and it has a slightly wider field of view than the Vantage 2-7X32, although it would mean giving up the IR function that you can get on the Vantage model) to replace my current 3-9X40 with. I would like a bit more input of some more experienced folks though, because I still find it hard to justify spending that much money on yet another scope in such a short period.
Any input you guys (m/f) might have would be appreciated!
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Re: newbie-scope questions
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July 23, 2017, 12:22:17 PM »
I don't find an illuminated reticle useful.
Just personal preference I guess.
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Re: newbie-scope questions
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July 23, 2017, 12:35:09 PM »
Basically the smaller objective diameter scopes are going to have less parallax error, there is a formula for calculating the amount of parralax for a given range based on the the current setting and the biggest variable is the objective diameter. There is a reason those old airgun scopes were straight belled 15-20mm lenses. Lower power means you will notice it less if it was an issue, for plinking and hunting I would be fine with a fixed 4 or 6x.
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Re: newbie-scope questions
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July 23, 2017, 12:41:59 PM »
It sounds like the A/O option gets in the way of your target accuisition, I would look into non A/O scopes for your purpose. Now to find one that can hold up to a springer and has about a 30 yard parralex, or can be set to your desired range and be left at that.
Something like this , and one can set their prefered parralax.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/leapers-utg-4x32-1in-compact-cqb-riflescope-mil-dot.html
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Re: newbie-scope questions
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July 23, 2017, 12:46:55 PM »
I'd think that crossbow scopes are pretty sturdy and have about a 35 or 40 yard parallax setting.
But you'll have to figure out the distance that the drops on the reticle represent with an airgun.
Also they tend to have a longish 5" or so eye relief that may or may not be a problem for you.
Some are really compact though, so setting it forward should be less of a problem.
And I've seen them in a fixed 3x, which might not be bad at all for a point and shoot application.
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Re: newbie-scope questions
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July 23, 2017, 01:53:41 PM »
Thanks for the input so far guys. I didn't know there are fixed 6X scopes too, that might just be the way to go. I'll have a look and see what the local offering is in that magnification.
I don't think I would enjoy the longer eye-relief like you find on pistol- or the suggested crossbow scopes to be honest. I have an uncle who's an avid crossbow shooter by the way, he uses a peepsight himself but the guys that use scopes predominately use Hawke Vantage 4X32 scopes at his local crossbow range. Hawke makes models with and without an AO of those, but you can still adjust the AO on the non AO models with a little fiddling or so I've heard.
Quote from: 39M on July 23, 2017, 12:22:17 PM
I don't find an illuminated reticle useful.
Just personal preference I guess.
The main reason I bought the IR version was the finer etched crosshairs that you don't get on the non illuminated Hawke Vantage models. I didn't really expect to use the feature when I bought it, but it turns out it's really nice to have against certain backgrounds and/or in low light conditions. Given the choice I would prefer to have it on my next scope, although I would be willing to give it up for a nicer reticle (ideally I'd have both of course).
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