Without a doubt the most noticeable misalignment for me comes from using 3/8" rings on an 11mm dovetail.Everything else I can correct as I notice it.If I were a serious competition shooter, as in I paid an entry fee to compete, I'd surely purchase the correct rings.
Pyramyd Air has 1 inch and 30mm scope mounted levels made by BKL. They are very well made and can be configured on multiple ways for visibility. $33.95, but to the field target shooter, worth it.BKL 12-way Scope Bubble Level
Quote from: 39M on June 17, 2017, 02:52:36 PMWithout a doubt the most noticeable misalignment for me comes from using 3/8" rings on an 11mm dovetail.Everything else I can correct as I notice it.If I were a serious competition shooter, as in I paid an entry fee to compete, I'd surely purchase the correct rings.It seems the dovetails can range in actual size from 9.5 to 12mm+. Many rings will say fits both.ie.Are you saying these one size fits all both cause issues?
Quote from: RAJOD on June 17, 2017, 11:04:30 PMQuote from: 39M on June 17, 2017, 02:52:36 PMWithout a doubt the most noticeable misalignment for me comes from using 3/8" rings on an 11mm dovetail.Everything else I can correct as I notice it.If I were a serious competition shooter, as in I paid an entry fee to compete, I'd surely purchase the correct rings.It seems the dovetails can range in actual size from 9.5 to 12mm+. Many rings will say fits both.ie.Are you saying these one size fits all both cause issues?The 3/8 rimfire rings that I use most often fit. But the scope sits a little off to one side with rings that are fixed on one side and have a screw down clamp on the other.I'm not sure about the ones you referred.
Quote from: Wayne52 on June 17, 2017, 05:53:46 AMI've personally never used a level, I'm not what ya call a paper puncher, basically I just eyeball the level of my crosshair and adjust from there Even with my Mrod at 80 yards it amazes me just how accurate this gun is and in all reality I don't feel the need for a level at the moment. I plink once in a great while over at my brothers just for a little fun competition and he basically eyeballs his scopes too.You can come pretty close just eyeballing it. I once used a level that either the cap was off or the scope was off. Even though it was level on the cap when I looked through the scope it was like 4 degrees tilted. Now I just look at a plumb line to level the cross hairs.
I've personally never used a level, I'm not what ya call a paper puncher, basically I just eyeball the level of my crosshair and adjust from there Even with my Mrod at 80 yards it amazes me just how accurate this gun is and in all reality I don't feel the need for a level at the moment. I plink once in a great while over at my brothers just for a little fun competition and he basically eyeballs his scopes too.
Quote from: RAJOD on June 17, 2017, 08:05:10 AMQuote from: Wayne52 on June 17, 2017, 05:53:46 AMI've personally never used a level, I'm not what ya call a paper puncher, basically I just eyeball the level of my crosshair and adjust from there Even with my Mrod at 80 yards it amazes me just how accurate this gun is and in all reality I don't feel the need for a level at the moment. I plink once in a great while over at my brothers just for a little fun competition and he basically eyeballs his scopes too.You can come pretty close just eyeballing it. I once used a level that either the cap was off or the scope was off. Even though it was level on the cap when I looked through the scope it was like 4 degrees tilted. Now I just look at a plumb line to level the cross hairs.This^The farther the distance or greater the holdover, the more it matters.But as you and others noted, you can get super close by eyeball. Then zero near and far, because that is the real test anyway.In construction, look down a line of columns you are plumbing up, look up a column at brackets you tacked in for conduit... I can tell which one is 1/2" off from 30 yards or so, even before the theodolite. Your mind/eye connection is designed to be pretty precise.
Posted errantly in scotchmos thread.Not sold on BKL rings. 3 reasons.1) a clamped ring will only be what 1/32" or 1/64" off ctr? So if you zero for say 50yds, @ 25yds your POI is a whopping 1/90" off ctr? Maybe if you are building a 1000 yard rail gun, for the rest of the world, including actual snipers, it isn't anything to consider.2) because you are using the ability or lack of aluminum to bend, you can't get actual low scope rings, if you are like me and like a low sight height over bore without a ton of magnification or large objective lense, they aren't great. Also on a stock 13xx platform, the gun has a hard time getting the pellet that high in the first place.3) I think the real point was labor costs are saved as nobody has to assemble the thru bolt and clamp on the assembly line. But good on them for inventing a problem that didn't exist to push product. Capitalism 101, freedom to market, freedom for me to see threw it.Not saying they aren't a good product, just saying don't drink the koolaid.