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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Guns And Related Accessories Review Gates => Air Gun Review Gate => Topic started by: Hunt4dinner on February 14, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
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So I had a chance to shoot my new kral bullpup yesterday a bit though it wasn't with a scope. I thought I had scope mounts to fit it but I was wrong so I have a set on the way from PA. I did shoot a string over the chronograph but it was only filled to 175 bar and not the 200 like it can hold(I forgot the full probe). I'm planning on shooting a full string tomorrow after work but here's my initial thoughts on the basics of it and I'll add to this thread as I get into it more.
1. Stock/feel
I bought the synthetic stock which is actually pretty nice. It is nice and ridged and not the least bit cheap feeling. The stock is solid and everything attached to it is solid in place as well. It shoulders nice and isn't real heavy which will make it nice to carry for hunting. The scope rail is aluminum and not plastic like some people have heard so that's a plus. The extra mag compartment is solid feeling and opens easily and also latches nice and solid. I don't see the extra mag falling out ever being an issue. It is tapped under the front of the stock for a sling stud or bipod and it comes with a extra attachment for rail mounted bipods.
2. Sound/loudness
Yeah this thing out of the box isn't backyard friendly. It's not too terribly loud but still not for shooting in your backyard in the city. It does have a barrel shroud but there are no baffles inside of it. Just a few inches of dead space. The good news on that is its the same diameter of the mrod shroud inside. The baffles will fit inside it. I forgot to check if the end cap from the mrod will fit it or not. When I find out that answer I'll let everyone know. I would say that out of the box it's louder than a stock prod and I thought those were loud.
3. Cocking
It's a side lever cocking with a 10 shot rotary magazine. I would say the cocking is about 90% of perfect. It cocks smooth and easy but mid way there's a little bump feeling with or without a magazine in. It does cycle through the magazine nice and I had no issues. If it weren't for the little bump I'd say there was nothing wrong with it. I'm sure someone with more knowledge than I will find out a way to make it cock effortlessly.
4. Power adjuster
I played around with this and it moves nice and stays where you put it. I didn't shoot many shots on lower powers since I'll most likely always have it in high but it's there for someone wanting a lower power tune.
5. Safety
I really like how the safety isn't in the trigger area. It's on the butt stock on the right side of the rifle. It doesn't get in the way like my mrod safety done once in a while especially with gloves on. It moves very nice and clicks right in place so you can feel and hear when it's moves to either safe or fire.
6. Pressure gauge
I don't like how it's on the end of the pressure tube because it causes you to look down the barrel at times to check the pressure. I know there are a few other rifles like this but I prefer them on the underside of the weapon so you don't barrel check yourself every once in a while. I always fill an unloaded weapon and in safe so there should never be an issue but it still goes against what you're always told about firearm safety. Not a deal breaker for me though.
7. Overall
My overall opinion as of right now is that this is a real nice air rifle. I'll make a better assessment when I get my scope mounts in and shoot some groups with it (hopefully tomorrow). It shoulders nice and isn't terribly heavy and it's compact enough to make a nice hunting rifle as long as it's accurate. I don't ever see an issue with the stock or the finish on the shroud or barrel. They should hold up just nice. Hopefully this shoots nice enough groups and if it does for the $499 I paid I see it being a real big seller here in the states. Now these are all just my opinions and some others might disagree with them in the future but as of now I feel this thing is a winner so far. I'll post some pics shortly.
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Awesome. The price point on those is too good to overlook. I am anxious to see how they shoot. The puncher pro looks awesome. I am also curious about the "silver" finish on the marine models. Congrats on what seems like an awesome airgun.
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Nice , what did ya see at a 175 fill.
So it's loud and shrouded so no threads to attach a ldc ?
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from the pics it looks like a threaded cap on the shroud.. No idea what threads they are but my guess is metric
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Nice , what did ya see at a 175 fill.
So it's loud and shrouded so no threads to attach a ldc ?
I'll post the numbers in a bit for you but from 175-150ish bar I got 20 some shots. There is an end cap so an LCD could most likely be added. I'm not sure of the threading of the end cap but I'll Dee if it's the same as my mrod tomorrow.
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Sounds like the gun is off to a great start. Very nicely done bull pup...congratulations! If you get a chance, and have the means, can you tell us what the twist rate is and what it slugs out to be?
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Sounds like the gun is off to a great start. Very nicely done bull pup...congratulations! If you get a chance, and have the means, can you tell us what the twist rate is and what it slugs out to be?
That's one thing I probably will be no help with unfortunately. I'm sure someone else in the near future will be able to help out with that. I'm sure kral could give an answer also.
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Excellent review Mike, I would have to agree with pretty much everything you said. I just got mine today in .22 and did a brief review on a different thread. Can't wait to see how the accuracy is. They sure are sweet looking! Plus I like the manual that came with it, blow up diagrams and parts lists, detailed pictures, much better than most other gun manuals. Good luck with yours!
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I was curious if the mood baffles may fit these. That should make quieting them down fairly easy with the wide availability of the mood baffles. I assume the chrony numbers aren't that flattering for the .25.
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Been looking at getting the Marine Puncher in .177 Baxter Walton agreed to tune her for me.
Great little gun, for the price point!!
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How long pellets can you feed from the magazine? How long can be single loaded?
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Here's some pics I took last night.
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Excellent review Mike, I would have to agree with pretty much everything you said. I just got mine today in .22 and did a brief review on a different thread. Can't wait to see how the accuracy is. They sure are sweet looking! Plus I like the manual that came with it, blow up diagrams and parts lists, detailed pictures, much better than most other gun manuals. Good luck with yours!
I agree they're pretty nice. The only thing I noticed about the manual is the one I got is more geared towards the over seas version than this one. It didn't show the shroud at all in it.
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I was curious if the mood baffles may fit these. That should make quieting them down fairly easy with the wide availability of the mood baffles. I assume the chrony numbers aren't that flattering for the .25.
I've never heard of a mood baffle. You have a link to them? The 20 some shots I took with it were averaging over 750 fps with jsb 25.4 grain pellets.
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How long pellets can you feed from the magazine? How long can be single loaded?
I'll have to try and find this out for you. I only shot jsb 25.4 grain through it but I'll try others.
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How long pellets can you feed from the magazine? How long can be single loaded?
I'll have to try and find this out for you. I only shot jsb 25.4 grain through it but I'll try others.
You could just measure the drum width and magazine total width :)
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How long pellets can you feed from the magazine? How long can be single loaded?
I'll have to try and find this out for you. I only shot jsb 25.4 grain through it but I'll try others.
You could just measure the drum width and magazine total width :)
I'll try and do that tonight if I get a chance.
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looks like m12 threads on the barrel itself
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New review added today. (3/3/17)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewi_kJ1wXog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewi_kJ1wXog#)
New review added today. (2/25/27)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdhnLzVVB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdhnLzVVB4#)
Thanks for the review.
Here is a review from Pyramid today.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co80S259IhY&t=27s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co80S259IhY&t=27s#)
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I've never heard of a mood baffle.
I'm guessing he meant mrod baffle and it's just a typo.
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I've never heard of a mood baffle.
I'm guessing he meant mrod baffle and it's just a typo.
Good point. If that's the case then they do fit inside.
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LOL Not a typo as much as auto-correct. Mrod isn't a word I guess. Thanks for the response though. Nice to see they publish real numbers, that's exactly what you should have gotten for speed according to the data Pyramyd posted. Now for some accuracy Pictures.
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Hoping the 25 is more accurate than the 22
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LOL Not a typo as much as auto-correct. Mrod isn't a word I guess. Thanks for the response though. Nice to see they publish real numbers, that's exactly what you should have gotten for speed according to the data Pyramyd posted. Now for some accuracy Pictures.
I'm curious about the mood baffles. I tried googling it and came up with nothing.
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Hoping the 25 is more accurate than the 22
Not having any luck? What kind of groups are you getting?
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LOL Not a typo as much as auto-correct. Mrod isn't a word I guess. Thanks for the response though. Nice to see they publish real numbers, that's exactly what you should have gotten for speed according to the data Pyramyd posted. Now for some accuracy Pictures.
I'm curious about the mood baffles. I tried googling it and came up with nothing.
I couldn't find any MOOD baffles but you could try these. http://hillairgun.com/products/baffles-for-the-benjamin-marauder-rifle/ (http://hillairgun.com/products/baffles-for-the-benjamin-marauder-rifle/) ;)
Ed
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I think he meant it wasn't a typo but the autocorrect, so he meant MROD, lol. By the way, nice bullpup ;)
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I think he meant it wasn't a typo but the autocorrect, so he meant MROD, lol. By the way, nice bullpup ;)
Yup after reading again I think you're right lol.
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LOL Not a typo as much as auto-correct. Mrod isn't a word I guess. Thanks for the response though. Nice to see they publish real numbers, that's exactly what you should have gotten for speed according to the data Pyramyd posted. Now for some accuracy Pictures.
I'm curious about the mood baffles. I tried googling it and came up with nothing.
I couldn't find any MOOD baffles but you could try these. http://hillairgun.com/products/baffles-for-the-benjamin-marauder-rifle/ (http://hillairgun.com/products/baffles-for-the-benjamin-marauder-rifle/) ;)
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Yup those fit inside the shroud.
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Glad you like it so far. How's the trigger? I bet Someone will make a shroud extension for it in the future. Seems like a lot of gun for the money.
Steve
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Glad you like it so far. How's the trigger? I bet Someone will make a shroud extension for it in the future. Seems like a lot of gun for the money.
Steve
It's funny you asked about the trigger because I was just coming here to add a comment on how I liked it. It's a very good trigger imo that's nice and crisp. It doesn't have a long pull which is nice and it's also adjustable. I'm not going to mess with mine since I like it right where it's at.
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I got a chance to sight this thing in. I put my 3x12 leapers scope on it and shot a few mags through it. Once it was all dialed in I was shooting 1/2" groups at 25 yards with a flyer that put it at 3/4". I only shot 25.4 grain jsb pellets so far but that's promising so far. That was in a bit of windy conditions also. I really like the trigger too. i plan on shooting it more throughout the week and test out different pellets to see what's the most accurate.
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Heres some repairs Ive done so far http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/msg14813/#msg14813 (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/msg14813/#msg14813) DONOT post pics of LDC internals or how to make them etc it is against the rules Thank you.
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Heres some repairs Ive done so far http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/msg14813/#msg14813 (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/msg14813/#msg14813) DONOT post pics of LDC internals or how to make them etc it is against the rules Thank you.
I was wondering about doing what you've done. Glad to see it worked and I'll most likely be doing the same.
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I can tell you the barrel threads are the standard LDC threads. I was shooting with a friend, and had a small Rocker1 LDC (1"X5") that we slapped on his Kral, and it was like a different gun. It quietened it down SIGNIFICANTLY! The 1" diameter was a tight fit with the air reservoir sticking out farther than the barrel. I think a 7/8" LDC would do the trick, or even a stepped one that goes up to 1" past the air reservoir. It made a huge difference, and the action of firing was almost as loud as the report. That gun was a .22 fwiw.
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so its a 1/2-20 thread on the barrel itself.. interesting
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so its a 1/2-20 thread on the barrel itself.. interesting
Yep, that 1/2 threaded LDC fit right on there ;)
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weird how the euro guns are starting to use imperial barrel threads more often..Fx, Kral , BSA
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But also good!
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i seee you have a bullboss, what threads is that?
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I believe it is the same, but I haven't tried it. It uses the same barrel as an AT44 and BT65 though.
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For those who were wondering I just checked and the end cap on my marauder is interchangeable with the one in my kral. They're different shaped but the threading is the same.
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For those who were wondering I just checked and the end cap on my marauder is interchangeable with the one in my kral. They're different shaped but the threading is the same.
Not in either one of mine. Both Kral have metric threads and only go on three threads before thread bind. But the Kral is better than the Mrods anyway
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For those who were wondering I just checked and the end cap on my marauder is interchangeable with the one in my kral. They're different shaped but the threading is the same.
Not in either one of mine. Both Kral have metric threads and only go on three threads before thread bind. But the Kral is better than the Mrods anyway
That's weird. I just got done taking the end cap out of my mrod and screwed it all the way in on my kral with no problems. It screwed all the way down and tightened right up. Maybe tomorrow I'll try the kral end cap in my mrod and see if there's any issues that way.
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very interesting kral is using imperial thread.. thats 13/16-28.. and the barrel itself is 1/2-20 thread
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The end cap on my Kral shroud is 13/16-28 , confirmed it this past weekend at the shoot meet . I was with Rallyshark. We had a guy with a Mrod so I asked if I could swap my end caps with his to see since I could not find anyone to confirm. They both were interchangeable. I also remove the whole shroud to try Ralleyshark newly purchased LDC with the 1/2-20 unf (sonce it was small enough in diameter to clear)and not only it fits but also effectively reduced the sound quiet a bit.
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very interesting kral is using imperial thread.. thats 13/16-28.. and the barrel itself is 1/2-20 thread
mine are both metric and I'll have 4 more on Friday so I'll check them also. Wouldn't surprise me they changed threading for proprietary reasons
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
Just do what I did its cheaper and easier. http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/ (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/)
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very interesting kral is using imperial thread.. thats 13/16-28.. and the barrel itself is 1/2-20 thread
mine are both metric and I'll have 4 more on Friday so I'll check them also. Wouldn't surprise me they changed threading for proprietary reasons
thats really weird..
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
Just do what I did its cheaper and easier. http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/ (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/)
I plan on that first for sure. I'm curious how much more I can get out of a custom shroud. More of me being curious that anything.
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
Just do what I did its cheaper and easier. http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/ (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/)
I plan on that first for sure. I'm curious how much more I can get out of a custom shroud. More of me being curious that anything.
You couldn't do a longer shroud with any good effect without making a custom air stripper as the one in the Kral is just a support with no ventilation and no way to effectively mod it to have venting into shroud
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very interesting kral is using imperial thread.. thats 13/16-28.. and the barrel itself is 1/2-20 thread
That makes sense..... I measured my cap. mic'd out at 20.55 mm I did check the thread pitch with a Gauge but i could swear it was closer to 1.0mm than 28 TPI.....
either way 13/16 x 28 would make sense..
Thanks
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
Just do what I did its cheaper and easier. http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/ (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/)
I plan on that first for sure. I'm curious how much more I can get out of a custom shroud. More of me being curious that anything.
You couldn't do a longer shroud with any good effect without making a custom air stripper as the one in the Kral is just a support with no ventilation and no way to effectively mod it to have venting into shroud
Do you think by extending it to make 12 baffles fit would make a big difference?
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I see getting a custom length mrod shroud and adapting it to my kral in the future.
Just do what I did its cheaper and easier. http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/ (http://airgunguild.com/pcp-c02-and-helium-powered-airguns/fixing-the-kral-silent-marine-22/)
8 is plenty but 12 would help but add even more length to a very small bullpup
I plan on that first for sure. I'm curious how much more I can get out of a custom shroud. More of me being curious that anything.
You couldn't do a longer shroud with any good effect without making a custom air stripper as the one in the Kral is just a support with no ventilation and no way to effectively mod it to have venting into shroud
Do you think by extending it to make 12 baffles fit would make a big difference?
it would be quicker but at a cost to overall length
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Were you able to check to see if it is getting more than the 32 FPE advertised by PA?
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Were you able to check to see if it is getting more than the 32 FPE advertised by PA?
Their numbers are right on the money.
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It may cost a little more, or maybe not, but I'd just put a decent LDC on there and call it a day if it were me. I was shocked at how quiet the one was with that small little LDC we put on my friends. At least, that seems like it would be the easiest course of action. Adding more baffle and an air stripper would certainly work too.
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Were you able to check to see if it is getting more than the 32 FPE advertised by PA?
Their numbers are right on the money.
Ok Seems that the 25 cal models outside the US are getting 40 FPE.
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.25 older models in Mexico are getting around 32 fpe also
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You might want to follow this thread http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=122431.msg1189256#msg1189256 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=122431.msg1189256#msg1189256) or not LOL
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New review added today. (2/25/27)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdhnLzVVB4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNdhnLzVVB4)
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Thanks for the video. I was glad to see him review the .22 and not the .25.
His numbers for JSB 18.13 are almost exactly what I reported with my replacement Puncher Breaker. It was nice to see the consistency.
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I'm curious to know if the "cleaned up" .25 from WAR groups as good or better than the .22 reviewed at 50 and 100 yds.
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I'm curious to know if the "cleaned up" .25 from WAR groups as good or better than the .22 reviewed at 50 and 100 yds.
From all accounts of what Travis does, I'd bet the answer is a "yes". He mentioned going through and cleaning things up- I'm sure that includes checking the crown.
The thing that keeps me circling back to these is what you actually get for the money. Steve's video covered those nicely. No, it isn't an FX Wildcat. But it also costs less than half- even after working over at W.A.R. And for close-in pesting, or a brush gun where ranges are generally shorter (I never get clear shots over 40 yards), this makes for a mighty-fine pellet-delivery package.
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I'm curious to know if the "cleaned up" .25 from WAR groups as good or better than the .22 reviewed at 50 and 100 yds.
From all accounts of what Travis does, I'd bet the answer is a "yes". He mentioned going through and cleaning things up- I'm sure that includes checking the crown.
The thing that keeps me circling back to these is what you actually get for the money. Steve's video covered those nicely. No, it isn't an FX Wildcat. But it also costs less than half- even after working over at W.A.R. And for close-in pesting, or a brush gun where ranges are generally shorter (I never get clear shots over 40 yards), this makes for a mighty-fine pellet-delivery package.
Agreed.
Although I still hate that Kral chose the ridiculous rear location for the cocking lever.
At this point, I'm between the Bulboss and a Puncher, both in .25 caliber.
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I am also between the bullboss or the puncher as a replacement for my at44, I think I will go with the puncher mainly because of the better valve design and larger air reservoir while weighting less. And accuracy will be there because if I buy it, it would certainly come from Travis and I am sure he will do a great job.
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I am also between the bullboss or the puncher as a replacement for my at44, I think I will go with the puncher mainly because of the better valve design and larger air reservoir while weighting less. And accuracy will be there because if I buy it, it would certainly come from Travis and I am sure he will do a great job.
The puncher weighs less, but has a shorter barrel and makes less power.
Wouldn't a Bullboss with a regulator be the best of both ??
I'm leaning towards a .25 caliber Bullboss.
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I am looking at .22 caliber. In .25 the bullboss does have an edge in power, but the Kral isn't that difficult to power up. If you don't like to mod your guns, or don't care much for the weight, definetly get the bullboss you won't be disappointed. I for one would like something different than the at44 platform because I already know the at44 platform pretty well, and though it's an accurate, powerful and reliable rifle, for my needs weight and low shot count really make me want something different.
Ps. A regulator in a at44 platform actually gives less shots though more consistent and less ES, my at44 has a 20fps difference over 30 shots so I don't see a need for one
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I am also between the bullboss or the puncher as a replacement for my at44, I think I will go with the puncher mainly because of the better valve design and larger air reservoir while weighting less. And accuracy will be there because if I buy it, it would certainly come from Travis and I am sure he will do a great job.
The puncher weighs less, but has a shorter barrel and makes less power.
Wouldn't a Bullboss with a regulator be the best of both ??
I'm leaning towards a .25 caliber Bullboss.
For straight-up power, quite possibly. Plus there's a lot of information readily available on tuning the AT-44 platform, which includes the guts of the Bullboss from my understanding. Plus, if all else fails, BWalton. As far as why the cocking lever is where it on the Kral, it is likely the result of originally being engineered as a side-lever rifle, where the sidelever socking is in the perfect spot. The bullpup design keeps it the same way likely as a result of keeping costs down without re-engineering.
I was lusting on the Bullboss a while back, but after taking a long hard look at what I'd be using my next PCP for, it would be opening up range but still inside the 40 to 50 yard mark, without the need for earth-crushing power. Plus, it would be carried afield, and as much as I like to think I'm immune to desiring a nice stock, I've been spoiled by my Hatsan's Turkish Walnut. The Bullboss has no wood. The Puncher Breaker does, and I can even get the satin nickel finish with Walnut :D
In the end, how about this: get both! Why? The Bullboss could be tuned for power, the Kral for shot-count. Gut feeling tells me the Kral is going to be a tuner's delight over the next year as people buy, dissect, and tweak.
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Thanks for posting, you 2. :)
Buy BOTH.
Hmmmmm.
I was leaning towards a Bullpup for hunting, and a Wildfire for plinking.
But, you've got me thinking
Although, if was going to pay $1100 for both, I think I'd just buy a FX Wildcat.
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Hmm FX wildcat, nice gun, except that some have QC issues. If you are getting higher end, definitely take a look at the taipan mutant, or if you want to drop more cash Cricket or Vulcan.
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That video review was interesting. He does great reviews, and I especially like how tests hunting pellets too. The one thing that stood out was when he said it was quiet. It isn't open barrel loud, but it isn't quiet either. I wouldn't even consider calling it back yard friendly based on the one I've heard. Not to take away from what is obviously a great deal for a pup, but plan on spending some money to tone down that bark if you want backyard friendly IMO. I still think it is a great gun for the cash though :)
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That video review was interesting. He does great reviews, and I especially like how tests hunting pellets too. The one thing that stood out was when he said it was quiet. It isn't open barrel loud, but it isn't quiet either. I wouldn't even consider calling it back yard friendly based on the one I've heard. Not to take away from what is obviously a great deal for a pup, but plan on spending some money to tone down that bark if you want backyard friendly IMO. I still think it is a great gun for the cash though :)
Great observation and I couldn't agree more!!! No way is it backyard quiet
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Can a .25 be backyard quiet after your work?
Have any lefties shot this thing, does edge of that pad or the bolt making it really uncomfortable? I don't mind the right handed lever, after 30 years of righty guns I'm not sure a lefty action would feel good.
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That video review was interesting. He does great reviews, and I especially like how tests hunting pellets too. The one thing that stood out was when he said it was quiet. It isn't open barrel loud, but it isn't quiet either. I wouldn't even consider calling it back yard friendly based on the one I've heard. Not to take away from what is obviously a great deal for a pup, but plan on spending some money to tone down that bark if you want backyard friendly IMO. I still think it is a great gun for the cash though :)
Great observation and I couldn't agree more!!! No way is it backyard quiet
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was thinking that :D Again, that isn't to take away from the gun at all though. It just needs a little better manners is all.
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That video review was interesting. He does great reviews, and I especially like how tests hunting pellets too. The one thing that stood out was when he said it was quiet. It isn't open barrel loud, but it isn't quiet either. I wouldn't even consider calling it back yard friendly based on the one I've heard. Not to take away from what is obviously a great deal for a pup, but plan on spending some money to tone down that bark if you want backyard friendly IMO. I still think it is a great gun for the cash though :)
Great observation and I couldn't agree more!!! No way is it backyard quiet
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was thinking that :D Again, that isn't to take away from the gun at all though. It just needs a little better manners is all.
I said this in my first post in this thread lol. It's not a quiet rifle but with a simple mod it can help out quite a bit.
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Can a .25 be backyard quiet after your work?
Have any lefties shot this thing, does edge of that pad or the bolt making it really uncomfortable? I don't mind the right handed lever, after 30 years of righty guns I'm not sure a lefty action would feel good.
I'm a lefty and have the 22. It is comfortable to shoot with high rings, but impossible to cycle the action without removing the gun from your shoulder. Not a big deal to me as I've shot left handed since I could remember. Never had a left handed powder burner or airgun. The "cover" on the top rear of the rifle is adjustable and I've slid mine forward to where the magazine just clears it when inserted. I found the cheek placement very "natural". Hope this helps.
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It is comfortable to shoot with high rings, but impossible to cycle the action without removing the gun from your shoulder. Not a big deal to me as I've shot left handed since I could remember. Never had a left handed powder burner or airgun. The "cover" on the top rear of the rifle is adjustable and I've slid mine forward to where the magazine just clears it when inserted. I found the cheek placement very "natural". Hope this helps.
Even as a right hand shooter, the Kral cocking lever location is kind of the deal killer for me. :(
Especially when the Hastan/FX can be cocked without breaking a cheek weld.
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Thanks for the reviews, links to reviews, and comments. I just ordered a .22 marine finish. I have an Impact .22 on order, and was going to resist getting one of these, but the ETA for my Impact just went from a couple weeks to a couple months. No point in trying to resist now 8)
Cheers,
Rusty
PS- I will definitely hate the cocking lever location.
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Thanks for the reviews, links to reviews, and comments. I just ordered a .22 marine finish. I have an Impact .22 on order, and was going to resist getting one of these, but the ETA for my Impact just went from a couple weeks to a couple months. No point in trying to resist now 8)
Cheers,
Rusty
PS- I will definitely hate the cocking lever location.
Let us know what you think after you get it.
Ed
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewi_kJ1wXog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewi_kJ1wXog)
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Probably going to take heat for posting hunting video outside its gate BUT looks like the Kral is doing its job.
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Probably going to take heat for posting hunting video outside its gate BUT looks like the Kral is doing its job.
This is the Kral Puncher review thread.
I post links to all the video reviews of the the Kral Puncher that I come across in here.
If I get heat, people should self evaluate.
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I agree with most of the reviews I have seen so far except for the part about it being quiet. I do not consider it quiet out of the box at all honestly but it's not hard to quiet down a bit with some mrod baffles.
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I agree with most of the reviews I have seen so far except for the part about it being quiet. I do not consider it quiet out of the box at all honestly but it's not hard to quiet down a bit with some mrod baffles.
That and add an air stripper and you will giggle.
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Really great video Evo Shift. I have my .25 Puncher Breaker coming in the mail. Will evaluate stock, and if I have a few extra $$ will most likely send to WAR for "steroid injection" LOL.
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I agree with most of the reviews I have seen so far except for the part about it being quiet. I do not consider it quiet out of the box at all honestly but it's not hard to quiet down a bit with some mrod baffles.
Mike-Did you turn the shroud around (not sure how that works ???) to use 8 baffles as Travis reported or just use 4 with the shroud as delivered? Also, did you have a really hard time getting the shroud off because of the lock-tite?
Thanks!
Ed
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I agree with most of the reviews I have seen so far except for the part about it being quiet. I do not consider it quiet out of the box at all honestly but it's not hard to quiet down a bit with some mrod baffles.
Mike-Did you turn the shroud around (not sure how that works ???) to use 8 baffles as Travis reported or just use 4 with the shroud as delivered? Also, did you have a really hard time getting the shroud off because of the lock-tite?
Thanks!
Ed
I just added the 4 baffles so far. As for getting the shroud off it's not hard it just in screws. The hard part is the rear shroud mount that has all the lock tight on it. I started to booger mine up so I stopped. There is a member here who made his own shroud, mount and air stripper and he's going to be selling them at custom length shrouds. I'll be ordering one sometime from him.
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Thanks Mike. I'm sure I'll be getting one, just a matter of when. I'll definitely be interested in that custom shroud setup. So with just the 4 baffles it's not too loud?
Ed
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If I didn't already have the WarP .25 I would think about it but SHWMBO already thinks I have more AG's than I could possibly need. Little does she understand the thinking of a man. I also don't understand why she needs 25 pairs of shoes and I have no clue how many pairs of boots. ::) ::) ;D
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I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
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Well,
For some of us, it's simple.....some of us ALL READY OWN Bull Bosses, and want to try something different.....different mods, different feel, etc. Some of us just like air rifles, and when something comes across that gets our attention....we buy it!
DJ
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For me it boils down to looks and weight(they are equal in accuracy) and the fact I just dont like Hatsans. Hatsan is the only company that sells guns by the pound LOL LOL!!!!
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Well,
For some of us, it's simple.....some of us ALL READY OWN Bull Bosses, and want to try something different.....different mods, different feel, etc. Some of us just like air rifles, and when something comes across that gets our attention....we buy it!
DJ
Thank you for posting.
That's the most honest and sensible answer I've heard. :)
For me it boils down to looks and weight(they are equal in accuracy) and the fact I just dont like Hatsans. Hatsan is the only company that sells guns by the pound LOL LOL!!!!
The weight between the 2 are similar.
But, the minimal additional weight of the Bullboss allows a longer barrel and more power.
So, is there a legitimate selling point for the Kral?
Or, is it just BS like the Kral is "new" and "pretty"?
Do you have a legitimate reason for "not liking Hatsan"?
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I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
Some people don't like the look of the bullboss. I sure dont. I like the plain design of the Kral Pb. Given that for just a few bucks more Travis can make this a beast makes it more desirable. Easily Adjustable power is a plus. Ability to add baffles another plus. This gun is the marauder of bullpups. Travis can make it a reliable and customizable gun. The market is open for mods. Bulboss....well.. it's a hatsan with a side lever that comes loose lol.
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I've heard that the Kral might uses air more efficiently, for a higher shot count.
That's the only good argument I've heard yet for the Kral, if you're looking for a .22 to target shoot with.
That's the kind of info I'm looking for.
Logical, measurable , performance based justification for buying the Kral PB over the Bullboss.
Because unless I hear a logical argument for the Kral PB, it seems that the Bullboss is still the obvious choice.
I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
Some people don't like the look of the bullboss. I sure dont. I like the plain design of the Kral Pb. Given that for just a few bucks more Travis can make this a beast makes it more desirable. Easily Adjustable power is a plus. Ability to add baffles another plus. This gun is the marauder of bullpups. Travis can make it a reliable and customizable gun. The market is open for mods. Bulboss....well.. it's a hatsan with a side lever that comes loose lol.
So, another post that basically says someone thinks the Kral is "pretty" and that they have a unjustified dislike of Hatsan.
It's a gun, not a supermodel. So, I'm not going to debate "looks".
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I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
I find it funny on how much you hate kral lol. I've read a bunch of your posts bashing them and praising the bullboss and that's totally fine but we have just as much right to spend our money on the things we want just as you do. By all means you go ahead and buy a bullboss for every day of the week if you want. I'll just be over here shooting my kral and enjoying every second of it👍
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Thanks Mike. I'm sure I'll be getting one, just a matter of when. I'll definitely be interested in that custom shroud setup. So with just the 4 baffles it's not too loud?
Ed
No problem ed. As for the 4 baffles it's not too bad but I still wouldn't consider it back yard friendly. It's good enough to take out hunting that way but I'll be looking to quiet it down even more with a custom shroud in the near future. I'll let you know how it goes.
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If I didn't already have the WarP .25 I would think about it but SHWMBO already thinks I have more AG's than I could possibly need. Little does she understand the thinking of a man. I also don't understand why she needs 25 pairs of shoes and I have no clue how many pairs of boots. ::) ::) ;D
You and me both buddy! My wife is addicted to shoes more than a crack head is to crack!
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I've heard that the Kral might uses air more efficiently, for a higher shot count.
That's the only good argument I've heard yet for the Kral, if you're looking for a .22 to target shoot with.
That's the kind of info I'm looking for.
Logical, measurable , performance based justification for buying the Kral PB over the Bullboss.
Because unless I hear a logical argument for the Kral PB, it seems that the Bullboss is still the obvious choice.
I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
Some people don't like the look of the bullboss. I sure dont. I like the plain design of the Kral Pb. Given that for just a few bucks more Travis can make this a beast makes it more desirable. Easily Adjustable power is a plus. Ability to add baffles another plus. This gun is the marauder of bullpups. Travis can make it a reliable and customizable gun. The market is open for mods. Bulboss....well.. it's a hatsan with a side lever that comes loose lol.
So, another post that basically says someone thinks the Kral is "pretty" and that they have a unjustified dislike of Hatsan.
It's a gun, not a supermodel. So, I'm not going to debate "looks".
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This thread is a review for the Kral, you said it yourself earlier, yet all you do is praise the Bullboss and bad mouth the Kral. Give it a rest and just buy the Bullboss if you haven't already, you seemed to have convinced yourself that it's the superior gun. Maybe you could try convincing others in a separate thread perhaps? Sorry if this comes off sounding harsh but enough already with the Kral bashing. Thanks, and have a good day!
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I've heard that the Kral might uses air more efficiently, for a higher shot count.
That's the only good argument I've heard yet for the Kral, if you're looking for a .22 to target shoot with.
That's the kind of info I'm looking for.
Logical, measurable , performance based justification for buying the Kral PB over the Bullboss.
Because unless I hear a logical argument for the Kral PB, it seems that the Bullboss is still the obvious choice.
I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
Some people don't like the look of the bullboss. I sure dont. I like the plain design of the Kral Pb. Given that for just a few bucks more Travis can make this a beast makes it more desirable. Easily Adjustable power is a plus. Ability to add baffles another plus. This gun is the marauder of bullpups. Travis can make it a reliable and customizable gun. The market is open for mods. Bulboss....well.. it's a hatsan with a side lever that comes loose lol.
So, another post that basically says someone thinks the Kral is "pretty" and that they have a unjustified dislike of Hatsan.
It's a gun, not a supermodel. So, I'm not going to debate "looks".
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This thread is a review for the Kral, you said it yourself earlier, yet all you do is praise the Bullboss and bad mouth the Kral. Give it a rest and just buy the Bullboss if you haven't already, you seemed to have convinced yourself that it's the superior gun. Maybe you could try convincing others in a separate thread perhaps? Sorry if this comes off sounding harsh but enough already with the Kral bashing. Thanks, and have a good day!
Yes please stay on topic that way we all can learn the pro's and cons of the Kral whuch is the intended purpose of this thread. This thread is about the Kral so stay on topic It doesn't matter if you want to sing the praises of any rifle out there just not on this thread.
Thank you all
Don
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Thanks Mike. I'm sure I'll be getting one, just a matter of when. I'll definitely be interested in that custom shroud setup. So with just the 4 baffles it's not too loud?
Ed
No problem ed. As for the 4 baffles it's not too bad but I still wouldn't consider it back yard friendly. It's good enough to take out hunting that way but I'll be looking to quiet it down even more with a custom shroud in the near future. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks again Mike. Please DO let me know re. that custom shroud when you get one and who to contact to buy one. Of course I may need to sell off all my other guns to buy the Mother of All Guns--The Hatsan Bullboss! To purchase anything else is surely foolish....... ::) :o ;)
Ed
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I still don't understand why anyone want to buy the Kral PB.
Everyone keeps talking about the Kral $500 price being good, but then immediately talk about spending more money on modifications.
Why not just spend that money on a Bullboss instead???
The Bulboss is a better, more powerful, more accurate, and quieter gun.......right out of the box with no mods.
I find it funny on how much you hate kral lol. I've read a bunch of your posts bashing them and praising the bullboss and that's totally fine but we have just as much right to spend our money on the things we want just as you do. By all means you go ahead and buy a bullboss for every day of the week if you want. I'll just be over here shooting my kral and enjoying every second of it👍
That's not accurate at all.
I'm not bashing the Krall.
I am simply in the middle of deciding between personally buying the Kral PB and the Bullboss.
In fact, I'm actually looking for reasons to buy the Kral PB myself.
But, it seems like the only valid reasons to buy the PB is that it's pretty and it's new gun to add to a collection.
Am I missing something?
Thanks Mike. I'm sure I'll be getting one, just a matter of when. I'll definitely be interested in that custom shroud setup. So with just the 4 baffles it's not too loud?
Ed
No problem ed. As for the 4 baffles it's not too bad but I still wouldn't consider it back yard friendly. It's good enough to take out hunting that way but I'll be looking to quiet it down even more with a custom shroud in the near future. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks again Mike. Please DO let me know re. that custom shroud when you get one and who to contact to buy one. Of course I may need to sell off all my other guns to buy the Mother of All Guns--The Hatsan Bullboss! To purchase anything else is surely foolish....... ::) :o ;)
Ed
Please refer to the above.
I'm just looking for information.
No need to bust my balls.
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This thread is a review for the Kral, you said it yourself earlier, yet all you do is praise the Bullboss and bad mouth the Kral.
Bad mouth?
Who's been the one finding and posting links to Krap PB reviews in here?
Who's been the one posting questions about the Kral to YouTube publishers?
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Sorry if this comes off sounding harsh but enough already with the Kral bashing.
Actually, yes, you guys are coming off like dicks.
It's not like you designed the Kral PB or you own the company.
Even the few who own the PB just bought it and should be objectively evaluating it like I am without being defensive.
Why are you guys white knighting the PB so hard and bashing me?
Yes please stay on topic that way we all can learn the pro's and cons of the Kral whuch is the intended purpose of this thread. This thread is about the Kral so stay on topic It doesn't matter if you want to sing the praises of any rifle out there just not on this thread.
Thank you all
Don
What are you talking about ??
This is a thread about reviewing the PB.
Reviewing means comparing something to it's competition.
In fact, I couldn't be even more on topic than I have been.
I'm literally shaking my head at these posts.
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I see no point in this. I started this thread to let those know what I thought of my new purchase and to answer any questions I could. Not to argue over the internet with a person I've never meet and have no intentions of meeting. My only suggestion to you is go be happy and buy a hatsan and enjoy it. All the rest of us will enjoy our krals and not care about comparing until no end. The main reason of working is to buy the things we enjoy and for those of us who worked to buy a kral and are enjoying them then I consider that a success. I suggest you go have a success with a bullboss because I'm sure you will.
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Thanks Mike. I'm sure I'll be getting one, just a matter of when. I'll definitely be interested in that custom shroud setup. So with just the 4 baffles it's not too loud?
Ed
No problem ed. As for the 4 baffles it's not too bad but I still wouldn't consider it back yard friendly. It's good enough to take out hunting that way but I'll be looking to quiet it down even more with a custom shroud in the near future. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks again Mike. Please DO let me know re. that custom shroud when you get one and who to contact to buy one. Of course I may need to sell off all my other guns to buy the Mother of All Guns--The Hatsan Bullboss! To purchase anything else is surely foolish....... ::) :o ;)
Ed
lol I sure will ed. Might be a month or two but I'll be letting you know.
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I see no point in this. I started this thread to let those know what I thought of my new purchase and to answer any questions I could. Not to argue over the internet with a person I've never meet and have no intentions of meeting. My only suggestion to you is go be happy and buy a hatsan and enjoy it. All the rest of us will enjoy our krals and not care about comparing until no end. The main reason of working is to buy the things we enjoy and for those of us who worked to buy a kral and are enjoying them then I consider that a success. I suggest you go have a success with a bullboss because I'm sure you will.
Who's arguing about what exactly?
Evaluating and comparing and item to the competition is a REVIEW.
I chose to post the Kral info/videos I found in "your" thread because it just happened to be the first thread with KRAL and REVIEW in the title.
I thought it would have been obnoxious to create and additional thread to post the video reviews I found and posted.
I obviously was taking to time to research the Kral PB because I wanted to buy one.
It seems like the Kral PB is lightweight, has a high shot count, looks great, and makes a great target shooter for the money.
Especially for those that prefer bullpups, like me.
The defensiveness and attitudes are unwarranted.
Frankly, if I had to add a plinker to my .25 caliber hunting airgun today, it would be a Kral PB.
But, for a ONE gun solution, I'm still waiting for someone to post a justifiable reason to buy the Kral PB over the Bullboss.
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I'll try and explain it like this. My wife is smoking hot. She's fit and and turns the heads of a lot of guys. She however not worth a "dang" at cooking and doesn't clean all the time. But she's hot and I like hot girls so I keep her. Make sense?
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I'll try and explain it like this. My wife is smoking hot. She's fit and and turns the heads of a lot of guys. She however not worth a "dang" at cooking and doesn't clean all the time. But she's hot and I like hot girls so I keep her. Make sense?
Gosh Mike, I'm so sorry for your luck. Mine's hot and she can cook. lol...
What was this thread about again??? ;D
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I'll try and explain it like this. My wife is smoking hot. She's fit and and turns the heads of a lot of guys. She however not worth a "dang" at cooking and doesn't clean all the time. But she's hot and I like hot girls so I keep her. Make sense?
Gosh Mike, I'm so sorry for your luck. Mine's hot and she can cook. lol...
What was this thread about again??? ;D
Lol yeah I wasn't so lucky. Good thing I can cook I guess!
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I'll try and explain it like this. My wife is smoking hot. She's fit and and turns the heads of a lot of guys. She however not worth a "dang" at cooking and doesn't clean all the time. But she's hot and I like hot girls so I keep her. Make sense?
Gosh Mike, I'm so sorry for your luck. Mine's hot and she can cook. lol...
What was this thread about again??? ;D
Lol yeah I wasn't so lucky. Good thing I can cook I guess!
I'd pick hot over cooking every time if I only had one choice. I can always drive thru somewhere. lol...
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I'll try and explain it like this. My wife is smoking hot. She's fit and and turns the heads of a lot of guys. She however not worth a "dang" at cooking and doesn't clean all the time. But she's hot and I like hot girls so I keep her. Make sense?
Gosh Mike, I'm so sorry for your luck. Mine's hot and she can cook. lol...
What was this thread about again??? ;D
Lol yeah I wasn't so lucky. Good thing I can cook I guess!
I'd pick hot over cooking every time if I only had one choice. I can always drive thru somewhere. lol...
At least if the wife can't cook there is no problem with gaining weight. Mine is hot and cooks ::) ::) + 30 lbs in 17 years we are together
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Good thing mine likes to meal prep and eats like a rabbit lol.
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Stop, you guys are making me hungry :(
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This thread just got hilarious for a whole bunch of reasons.....and you know what they say fellas....
"This thread is worthless without pics".....LOL! (sorry for the Hijack)
DJ
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This thread just got hilarious for a whole bunch of reasons.....and you know what they say fellas....
"This thread is worthless without pics".....LOL! (sorry for the Hijack)
DJ
You guys make jokes, but the only thing that's hilarious to me is the only reasons posted for buying the Kral over the competition is that it's "pretty" and "new".
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Maybe back on topic is a good Idea ! Evo did you just Post about your new Bull Boss on another thread. Also there have been other posts by several members that are pleased with the accuracy they are seeing from the Krale PB
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I like the way it looks. I like the way it shoots. I like the way it shoulders. I like just about everything about it and I'm happy. I don't see the need to try and compare it anymore. The whole purpose of this was to let people know what I thought and that's what I've done. You bought a bullboss and you let everyone know how much you enjoy it. I have a feeling you won't get many trying to compare it to no end with any other air rifle out there. There will always be a bigger or better something out there. You just have to be happy with what you have.
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This thread just got hilarious for a whole bunch of reasons.....and you know what they say fellas....
"This thread is worthless without pics".....LOL! (sorry for the Hijack)
DJ
I agree with Derrick...pics of the HOT wifes Please! :D :D :D
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This thread just got hilarious for a whole bunch of reasons.....and you know what they say fellas....
"This thread is worthless without pics".....LOL! (sorry for the Hijack)
DJ
I agree with Derrick...pics of the HOT wifes Please! :D :D :D
lol I think the pics I got as proof would get me kicked off this forum faster than anything lol
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I like the way it looks. I like the way it shoots. I like the way it shoulders. I like just about everything about it and I'm happy. I don't see the need to try and compare it anymore. The whole purpose of this was to let people know what I thought and that's what I've done. You bought a bullboss and you let everyone know how much you enjoy it. I have a feeling you won't get many trying to compare it to no end with any other air rifle out there. There will always be a bigger or better something out there. You just have to be happy with what you have.
AllAmerican, have you taken it out to longer distances... Maybe past 50 yrds?
I apologize if this was already stated. I scrolled past most of the side talk and may have missed it.
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I like the way it looks. I like the way it shoots. I like the way it shoulders. I like just about everything about it and I'm happy. I don't see the need to try and compare it anymore. The whole purpose of this was to let people know what I thought and that's what I've done. You bought a bullboss and you let everyone know how much you enjoy it. I have a feeling you won't get many trying to compare it to no end with any other air rifle out there. There will always be a bigger or better something out there. You just have to be happy with what you have.
AllAmerican, have you taken it out to longer distances... Maybe past 50 yrds?
I apologize if this was already stated. I scrolled past most of the side talk and may have missed it.
No I haven't yet. I won't be going to my cabin this weekend so I should have time to do some shooting. If I do I'll post the results
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After reading the forum, gleaning info, watching the you tube reviews, I talked with Travis at Wicked AND....
I have a freshly modded Kral PB walnut .25 on the way. 8)
and I'm geaked! I always liked the bull pup design.
Mike, did you get a chance to shoot yours at any longer range? Any pellet recommendations?
And what scope set up did you go with? (I seemed to have missed that if you posted)
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While it may not be a Bullboss lol
I'm still pretty excited to get this and can't wait to get out and start shooting this thing. #firstbullpup #firstPCPfirst.25
Happy birthday to me!
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awesome, what did u have done?
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Porting valve , breech block, trigger work, baffles added. I'm expecting it's going to be pretty smooth and with a bit more power and quieter than stock. Will post when it arrives and I have a chance to give it a work out.
This is coming right from Wicked air guns so I really have no basis for comparison to a stock Kral.
I'll have to get together with someone near by once the weather breaks so we can compare. Allamerican if your interested shoot me a PM.
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Porting valve , breech block, trigger work, baffles added. I'm expecting it's going to be pretty smooth and with a bit more power and quieter than stock. Will post when it arrives and I have a chance to give it a work out.
This is coming right from Wicked air guns so I really have no basis for comparison to a stock Kral.
I'll have to get together with someone near by once the weather breaks so we can compare. Allamerican if your interested shoot me a PM.
You'll be happy with your new purchase. I haven't had a chance to get out past 25-30 yards due to the weather. It's either been too cold or windy to get some longer range shooting. It wouldn't show the true potential of the gun. Hopefully soon it will be nicer out so I can give it a go.
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Couldn't stand it anymore so I ordered a .25 PB Marine from PA last night before they were gone. Supposed to be here tomorrow. I'd have liked to order one that had been gone over by Travis but he went and sold 'em all. Hopefully I'll get a good one! :-\
Ed
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You guys make jokes at my expense?
When, all I was doing was trying to facilitate a public discussion to compare bullpup options,
that would benefit everyone in the community?
Well, I'm laughing out loud too.
But, it's because you, your time, and your money are actually Beta testing the Kral PB and modifications for me.
Once you guys go through all the "growing pains" and R&D,
I'll pick up a Kral too......at a discounted price, that's perfected, thanks to your time and money.
So, thanks buddies. :)
Regardless,
looking forward to all the Kral PB research and development data being posted in this thread for my benefit,
along with everyone else.
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I received my .25 cal Puncher Breaker synthetic a week ago. Slapped an inexpensive Hawke 2 x 9 AO on it with the highest rings I had on hand. Still sits too low for a good sighting picture, but was able to zero the scope in 5 shots at 10 yards. One hole group about the size of a dime. Moved it out to 30 yards. The group opened up to about 1.5 inches in 10 shots. A lot of the error was on me as I was shooting off my knee in a lawn chair LOL. But I shot it enough to know its not moving my pellet downrange as fast as I would like. The power adjuster is moved all the way to full, but I still feel like the gun should be able to give more. Having said that, I got (and Im not exaggerating) 70 shots before dipping into the yellow portion of the gage. Super efficient, but without the chrony, I'd just be guessing at what the fps is.
The Picatinny riser mount (3/4") is coming tomorrow, but I won't have time to shoot. Looks like Thursday before I can put thru the chrony and shoot from a proper bench rest. All in all I think its going to be a very nice hunting gun. I may send it to Travis to investigate the possibility of opening up the valving a bit. Using the adjustable power selector, I'd like the gun to shoot between 30 to 50 ft/lbs. Will talk to Travis about it after all the baseline data has been recorded.
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You guys make jokes at my expense?
When, all I was doing was trying to facilitate a public discussion to compare bullpup options,
that would benefit everyone in the community?
Well, I'm laughing out loud too.
But, it's because you, your time, and your money are actually Beta testing the Kral PB and modifications for me.
Once you guys go through all the "growing pains" and R&D,
I'll pick up a Kral too......at a discounted price, that's perfected, thanks to your time and money.
So, thanks buddies. :)
Regardless,
looking forward to all the Kral PB research and development data being posted in this thread for my benefit,
along with everyone else.
Evoshift. You just got banned at airgun nation. Mods please look into him. He threatened to use a different ip and username.
The Kral is a great gun. Travis is doing great work. Once i get my marauder sorted out I'm getting a .25 from War. Thanks for the awesome updates!
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He got himself banned here too.
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He got himself banned here too.
Sorry to see this. Dissenting opinions help temper expectations (though disruption kinda goes awry of the Forum rules).
I've been following this thread from the git-go. While it may not have the power of other .25s, the potential is there, no doubt. And when it comes to carrying a gun in the woods, this one is darn-close to the top of the list for me. I think in due time the Puncher Breaker is going to get like the AT-44 and MRod: a standard by which other airguns are compared to whether or not it's in the same price range.
One thing I'll add: Turkish walnut is beautiful with the nickel finish. Down the road I intend to get one.
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He got himself banned here too.
Sorry to see this. Dissenting opinions help temper expectations (though disruption kinda goes awry of the Forum rules).
Dissenting opinions are welcome when they are part of a constructive debate and done respectfully. Constant trolling, thread hijacking, and personal attacks don't qualify as constructive....
40FPE is marginal for my liking for a .25, could definitely use a power-mod with some porting. The .22 seems to have the right amount of power.
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dissenting opinion is debate, in an adult fashion .. Example
"Guys , Id like to really have a conversation about Xyz gun over yzd gun, i cannot understand why people like xyz"
Typical post I saw
" The kral is plain garbage , go to heck , get a bullboss!"
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dissenting opinion is debate, in an adult fashion .. Example
"Guys , Id like to really have a conversation about Xyz gun over yzd gun, i cannot understand why people like xyz"
Typical post I saw
" The kral is plain garbage , go to heck , get a bullboss!"
+1! Amen to that.
Rude, childish pm's weren't appreciated either!
Ed
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Finally had a chance to shoot the .25 cal over the chrony today after installing the Picatinny rail mount. 3/4 inch was the perfect height for my high rings. It pops up to the shoulder and the scope is immediately at the proper eye relief and ready to go. I shot 60 shots (amazing how even the last 6 or 7 shots didn't vertically string. The graph below shows 50 decent shots at 15 yards. Hole on hole groups with no fliers. That will no doubt change as I walk the thing out to 50 yards of course. My Puncher Breaker is shooting at .25 cal 25.4 gn JSB an average of 727 fps, generating 29.87 fl-lbs. Not as much energy as I would like, but I have no desire to try to match the Condor SS in speed and power! 60 shots on one fill is just plain fun! But, it looks like I'm going to send the gun to WAR for a larger port and silence mod, after all. Not in a big hurry, and have to save up a few bucks first. In the meantime, I'll enjoy shooting the heck out of this thing. Oh one more thing, the link pin in the cocking arm backed out and milled a shallow slot in my aluminum receiver (darn it I knew I shouldn't have forced it to cycle!!). The pin was mis-machined and the screw threads didn't full engage the linkage. I filed down the pin shoulder a bit to better engage, and used a tiny drop of super glue in the thread area. Will purchase Loctite red and rework later. Always something with air guns. I've owned quite a few PCP and springers and I really like the Kral. Its not a $900 to $1400 bullpup, but the Puncher Breaker is a lot of bang for the buck.
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Finally had a chance to shoot the .25 cal over the chrony today after installing the Picatinny rail mount. 3/4 inch was the perfect height for my high rings. It pops up to the shoulder and the scope is immediately at the proper eye relief and ready to go. I shot 60 shots (amazing how even the last 6 or 7 shots didn't vertically string. The graph below shows 50 decent shots at 15 yards. Hole on hole groups with no fliers. That will no doubt change as I walk the thing out to 50 yards of course. My Puncher Breaker is shooting at .25 cal 25.4 gn JSB an average of 727 fps, generating 29.87 fl-lbs. Not as much energy as I would like, but I have no desire to try to match the Condor SS in speed and power! 60 shots on one fill is just plain fun! But, it looks like I'm going to send the gun to WAR for a larger port and silence mod, after all. Not in a big hurry, and have to save up a few bucks first. In the meantime, I'll enjoy shooting the heck out of this thing. Oh one more thing, the link pin in the cocking arm backed out and milled a shallow slot in my aluminum receiver (darn it I knew I shouldn't have forced it to cycle!!). The pin was mis-machined and the screw threads didn't full engage the linkage. I filed down the pin shoulder a bit to better engage, and used a tiny drop of super glue in the thread area. Will purchase Loctite red and rework later. Always something with air guns. I've owned quite a few PCP and springers and I really like the Kral. Its not a $900 to $1400 bullpup, but the Puncher Breaker is a lot of bang for the buck.
That sounds like the perfect recipe for a fun shooter right there. It will make a great little hunter too. It is just dang hard to beat those Krals on bang for the buck it seems. If the Krals had been available a year or two ago, there's a good chance I'd have a Hatsan and a Kral, instead of two Hatsans.
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Finally had a chance to shoot the .25 cal over the chrony today after installing the Picatinny rail mount. 3/4 inch was the perfect height for my high rings. It pops up to the shoulder and the scope is immediately at the proper eye relief and ready to go. I shot 60 shots (amazing how even the last 6 or 7 shots didn't vertically string. The graph below shows 50 decent shots at 15 yards. Hole on hole groups with no fliers. That will no doubt change as I walk the thing out to 50 yards of course. My Puncher Breaker is shooting at .25 cal 25.4 gn JSB an average of 727 fps, generating 29.87 fl-lbs. Not as much energy as I would like, but I have no desire to try to match the Condor SS in speed and power! 60 shots on one fill is just plain fun! But, it looks like I'm going to send the gun to WAR for a larger port and silence mod, after all. Not in a big hurry, and have to save up a few bucks first. In the meantime, I'll enjoy shooting the heck out of this thing. Oh one more thing, the link pin in the cocking arm backed out and milled a shallow slot in my aluminum receiver (darn it I knew I shouldn't have forced it to cycle!!). The pin was mis-machined and the screw threads didn't full engage the linkage. I filed down the pin shoulder a bit to better engage, and used a tiny drop of super glue in the thread area. Will purchase Loctite red and rework later. Always something with air guns. I've owned quite a few PCP and springers and I really like the Kral. Its not a $900 to $1400 bullpup, but the Puncher Breaker is a lot of bang for the buck.
I had 712 fps with crow mags 26.23 grains , waiting on my 19 grain pellets from hatsan to come , eager to see if I can get it up to anywhere close to 825 fps
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My .22 Kral BP loves the GTO 11.7 ammo. Has anyone tried the .25 GTO in the Kral BP?
Good luck Fellas