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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: stretch on January 18, 2019, 06:14:20 PM
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Am I correct in believing that the only "reasonably priced" PCP rifles that have swap-able tanks and regulators (original or 3rd party) are Hatsan and AirForce?
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If you could buy one , the cylinders on the Evanix rifles are pretty easy to remove . I’m sure there are more out there I remember a post not too long ago with the same topic . I use a small guppy tank that can be filled to 4500 psi for when I’m in the field or on extended trips .
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BSA R10 and S10 have an easily removed airtank and regulator.
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Before you go down the path of "easy to remove tanks" and regulators, ask yourself what type of shooting you intend. I've seen a number of people mention needing removable tanks then explain they are hunting. I don't know what type of hunting, since just about every smaller-bore PCP is going to have far more shots per fill than a person needs during a hunt.
Pesting is another story, but that's what buddy bottles are for. Plus, with how inexpensive portable compressors are (never mind quality handpumps), I can't fathom why somebody would need multiple bottles.
Cometa Lynx is bottle-fed as is the Walther Rotex. Neither is any more expensive than a bottle-fed Hatsan. SPA also has a bottle-fed airgun. Mind you, I have no idea if any of these are considered easily-removable tanks. If that's the focus, then opt for a Hatsan AT-44 which has easily purchased extra air tubes.
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Before you go down the path of "easy to remove tanks" and regulators, ask yourself what type of shooting you intend...
Target shooting at the range.
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Even though the tubes are detachable..and couldbe regulated...have not found the "easy"ones to be that ineterchangeable.They do go on as easy as can be (screw one off and screw another on),but because of varations in manufacturing,they aren't all that uniform in output.
HAtsan aier tubes (at least the 180cc versions of the AT44) are resonably cheap. But becasue they continer the whole she-bang (air volume and valve) there is enough varation between valves that they don't shoot quite the same. Can be pretty close if you are lucky,or 100fps different if you are unlucky.
My thought was to make one a low speed/long shot count "practice tube",and one a high power/lower shot count "hunting tube"but if you fool around with adjsting things long enough can get the two air tubes to work within a small velocity difference (dobuling your shot count by doubling the air tubes).
From trials with regulated,detachable bottle guns (like QB conversions or the Gauntlet),could phart around with the regulators to get nearly the same out put...or get luck and have them output within the same basic range...which pretty well makes for the same velocity becasue the valve is independent of the detachable air source.
It'saresonable idea...but of the two,I'd rather try with a regulated system (tube or bottle). Would just be easier to get "right" than anon-regulated detachable system (but either way,would be a matter of luck of they eneded up shooting the same out of a given rifle without a little tweek here or there).
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...HAtsan aier tubes (at least the 180cc versions of the AT44) are resonably cheap. But becasue they continer the whole she-bang (air volume and valve) there is enough varation between valves that they don't shoot quite the same. Can be pretty close if you are lucky,or 100fps different if you are unlucky...
Thank you for bringing this up, I hadn't considered this possibility. You've pretty much guessed my intentions. I go to the range pretty often and when I do I'm there an hour or two and probably shoot 60-100 rounds. What I was hoping was to replace one of my powder burners with an air rifle, but in order to do so I'd need 60-100 shots. I liked the swappable cylinders that Hatsan uses, but didn't consider the issues you brought up. SCUBA tanks and hand pumps won't work for me (not at the range at least). Forget break barrels, I don't want to deal with broken scopes. CO2 was my first thought but I shoot mostly during the Fall, Winter and Spring and there are many days with air temps below 60 degrees (yes, I'm going to give hand warmers a try to keep the CO2 warm). So if there is so much variation from one air cylinder to the next, I'd almost be better off having more than one rifle, no? I have one Disco .22 that I hope to tweak up. Maybe a Maximus or something else is in my future... hmm...
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Been pretty happy with the two-tube AT44 PA .25 cal. over the last few years. BOTH ARE NO(N-REGULATED.
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/25%20hatsan%2044PA/8abd9c76-03bb-4bbf-8c2b-66ee3649a961.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/25%20hatsan%2044PA/8abd9c76-03bb-4bbf-8c2b-66ee3649a961.jpg.html)
One tube down tuend to low vel/energy for a .25 which gets used in the back yard range (lets say 25-30 yard max).
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/25%20hatsan%2044PA/a729ce68-887c-4f0a-ba27-7a7a545d4c98.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/25%20hatsan%2044PA/a729ce68-887c-4f0a-ba27-7a7a545d4c98.jpg.html)
And the other tube set for more serious/bigger critter use:
(https://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/25%20hatsan%2044PA/72b3a3da-741d-4954-9900-7126178ef43f.jpg) (https://s157.photobucket.com/user/ribbonstone/media/25%20hatsan%2044PA/72b3a3da-741d-4954-9900-7126178ef43f.jpg.html)
While not the most pwoerful .25...and not the most efficent...that's the best compromise I could come up with.
At thre time,the extra complete tube was about $80. Think you could find one (180cc) foraboput $90 today.
Not a bad cost effective way to get asimple/ non regulated/ dual use PCP.
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Stretch, given what you're describing, it might be best to go toward running tethered. A foster fitting to tether a big bottle to your project PCP means a lot of shots with total consistency.
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There are some rifles that can shoot more than 100 shots on one fill.
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Check this one.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150935.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=150935.0)
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I get 60 30fpe shots from my mutant, and 50 28fpe shots from the marauder.
With a small, easily carried 90ci 4500psi bottle, I can fill either gun several times, and easily get into the hundreds of shots category.
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For FT target shooting the177 cal can be tuned for lots of little holes.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0)
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Or this one:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0)
There are so many choices it's hard to choose.
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Yes, the "Guppy tank" weighs only about 5 pounds.
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Ribbonstone, thats a nice looking rifle. Does the air tube just screw in?
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Or this one:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0)
There are so many choices it's hard to choose.
Last two links don't work, but I get what ur saying.
FYI the Hatsan tanks can be removed while charged which would work well for me. I really don't/can't use a tethered system. No place to recharge here, so I'm limited to hand pumping.
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There are some rifles that can shoot more than 100 shots on one fill.
Yup ...
i have an older Daystate Airwolf MTC that is in .20 caliber ... shooting JSB 13.7 grain pellets at @ 880 fps will do 260 shots on a fill ( 500cc bottle ) with an ES of only @ 30 fps over those 260 shots.
Simply fill it, grab 1/2 a tin of pellets and go nutz shooting shooting and shooting some more !
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Jsar Hawk and NightHawk Do but youll have to Wait till tomorrow!
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Jsar Hawk and NightHawk Do but youll have to Wait till tomorrow!
TEASE !!!!!
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Man Travis, and just a few days ago you called Dillon a big tease!
so your unveiling two guns at the shot show!
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Man Travis, and just a few days ago you called Dillon a big tease!
so your unveiling two guns at the shot show!
Yes and I hate waiting more than anyone.
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I'm surprised that nobody remembered that the 4500 PSI firefighting tanks are designed to be carried in a back pack. Setup one tethered with a regulator and your good all day. Just don't cross the streams ;)
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Or this one:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12.0)
There are so many choices it's hard to choose.
Last two links don't work, but I get what ur saying.
FYI the Hatsan tanks can be removed while charged which would work well for me. I really don't/can't use a tethered system. No place to recharge here, so I'm limited to hand pumping.
Dive Hatteras won't refill a tank for you?
I'm surprised that nobody remembered that the 4500 PSI firefighting tanks are designed to be carried in a back pack. Setup one tethered with a regulator and your good all day. Just don't cross the streams ;)
Buddy Bottles, dive bottles, all kinds of bottles can be used as fill sources. And depending on where the OP lives in the Outer Banks, there's dive shops up in KDH (technically Manteo) as well as HI.
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What I'd really like to hear more about are PCP's that can shoot 60+ shots on a single fill and what sort of performance they have? I'm still leaning towards a Hatsan because the tanks can be swapped. Downside to Hatsan is that they seem to have a lot of QC issues. So I'm also considering an AirForce, although I think that will cost me a bit more money. (Edit: Or maybe I should be looking at an ATI Nova Freedom...)
And just an FYI, the "Outer Banks" of North Carolina encompasses a really big area, most of which isn't directly accessible by car.
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What I'd really like to hear more about are PCP's that can shoot 60+ shots on a single fill and what sort of performance they have? I'm still leaning towards a Hatsan because the tanks can be swapped. Downside to Hatsan is that they seem to have a lot of QC issues. So I'm also considering an AirForce, although I think that will cost me a bit more money. (Edit: Or maybe I should be looking at an ATI Nova Freedom...)
And just an FYI, the "Outer Banks" of North Carolina encompasses a really big area, most of which isn't directly accessible by car.
There's a lot of PCP with the capacity for lots of shots, meaning over 60. Everything depends on tune. My PP700 can do 60 shots at a lower power tune... it's a regulated pistol and costs under $230. If you're willing to tune a PCP for shot count, it opens a lot of doors. If power is your goal, one of the dual-tank airguns might be a better option, but more power always means more air per shot.
The Nova Freedom offers a different philosophy entirely; the only PCP matching it that I'm aware of is an FX, which means you're going well north of a thousand dollars. Vince (West-End Vince is his forum name) is an FX dealer and can probably give you a lot more detailed information regarding current FX line-up/details if you want- and he stands by his sales.
Regarding the NC Outer Banks: Practically lived there until I joined the Navy in '89, and when I moved back from CA in 97, I spent... Let's just say "lots of time" down there surfing and camping and sometimes fishing. Having family in Duck and in KDH near MP11 contributed, but the main reason was the Cape Hatteras Low Pressure Convergence Zone- IE: it's a wave magnet :) Everything that was not Ocracoke was accessible by car, even the extreme north end in Corolla. And Ocracoke was accessible via ferry. Incidentally, I was one of only a small handful of service techs for Sears from 1998 to 2006 that ran service calls that way (including Ocracoke), even having to come the "back way" down 32, across the bridge and then east on 64 to Dare County/Manteo upon occasion when the prior service calls were up in Edenton or Rocky Hock. Mind you, I know Cape Lookout is another story altogether, and my trips to the Outer Spanx have diminished greatly these last ten years, but I didn't see big differences in the roads. Did see a huge change in year-round traffic thought :(