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ezman604
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A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 01:40:48 PM »
Please excuse the ramblings but I must make a public statement so I can get back to our sport and forum.
Recently, I was made aware of some slanderous posts on another forum about me and GTA. In order to not violate our own rules, I will not name anyone or anyplace in particular. But I feel the need to address a few VERY wrong statements in case you trip across this site during your internet adventures.
First off, I have been a part of GTA staff for several years. I have actually been managing the forum for a few years, with the help and guidance from Gene and the other staff members. This is not a one man show and never can or will be. It takes a team to manage our home. But I guess I can and will be the focus of all things wrong with the forum. I accept that. And it weighs heavily on me too at times. But the pride in what WE have developing here far outweighs the bad press some feel the need to generate.
Most of this comes from a member that has been banned from GTA. Know this, it takes a LOT to be banned from GTA. This too is not a one man decision and one we do not take lightly. But it becomes necessary as a LAST resort when folks prove to disrespect our forum, the rules we all helped establish and disrespect what we are trying to do here. And that is to bring the airgun community together in ONE place to help promote our sport/hobby in a positive way. The idea is to show the world that folks from all walks of life and backgrounds CAN come together under one roof and coexist in not only a peaceful way but in a very enjoyable way. We share a common interest and want this forum to be THE place folks want to come to share that interest.
I am accused of censoring ideas and opinions. The only censorship is when it is a safety concern or is a flagrant violation of our rules. NO ideas or opinions are stifled!!! Keep to the facts and don't violate the posted rules and any comment will stand on it's own merit. We will not be a soapbox for anyone to use to bash or flame. Allowed to happen, these types of posts would create an environment that would NOT help our sport/hobby grow and makes for an uncomfortable place to visit. But again, we do NOT censor posts. But we will not allow GTA to become a place that folks feel they must don boxing gloves and a helmet before entering.
A comment was made that GTA brings in "thousands" monthly. LOL
Now that is funny. We are a not for profit and never sell advertising. We have no sponsors, just donating members. And there are months we don't even get enough donations to cover the rent. GTA HAS in the past brought in thousands. But I will say that those rare cases were when a special raffle or fund raiser was being conducted to support either a community family member or organization in need, like The Wounded Warrior Project. Otherwise, that is a hilarious statement some uninformed person made. And no staff (INCLUDING ME) receive anything from the donations. Every penny goes to support your forum and events.
I was described as "arrogant, insulting, hypocritical and self righteous as usual." LOL
Evidently a person that does not know me at all. And has no clue about GTA Forums. I really don't believe I make GTA about ME. On the contrary, I give many hours every day for the forum and the airgun community. I'm biased but I really don't believe I project that this is about me. LOL
But again, someone has to take the blame and be the focus of the slings and arrows folks feel the need to sling. And for what reason, I have no clue. Folks just want to be disruptive no matter WHERE they go. That's all I can imagine.
Every man (or woman) has the opportunity to come here and be a positive member of the community. Every man (or woman) can speak their mind, as long as you abide by the posted rules that the members helped develop. They are here for a reason and purpose, and that has nothing to do with wielding power or influencing anyone. Whether folks come here to JOIN the community or just hang our and learn, all are welcome. We go above and many times BEYOND to keep our family comfortable and this an informative and fun place to be a part of. Some folks just have no clue and do not care about anything but themselves. As for me, I'll keep trying to earn Gene's trust each and every day. I'll keep chugging along trying to fulfill his dream of making GTA THE place on the internet for all to come for airgun fun. As far fetched as that dream may be, WE will keep at it.
Thank you for your indulgence and sorry for the interruption. Now I must return my crown to the display case, roll up my sleeves again and get back to work. LOL
And as always....
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 01:50:13 PM »
Well old buddy you can bet your boots this old guy will be here until my toes turn up,still waiting on my payday. Lol!!!David
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 01:58:29 PM »
One cannot please everyone and someone will be upset at the end of the day. Rules are here for a reason and need to be followed or a discussion needs to be had to change them.
Blatant disregard for the stated rules breeds chaos and the vast majority of us do not want that.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:09:44 PM »
Hi Dez
I just have to say you and David and all the Mods and admins do a great job.
Please keep up the great work.
Gene would be proud of all of your hard work.
Dave
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:17:22 PM »
Yes Dave has bent over backwards to keep the GTA and its members. I am in several car forums that would ban people for far less than the GTA. I have never seen a forum as fair as the GTA and am proud to be a member and volunteer as a mod here.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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Reply #5 on:
May 28, 2015, 02:19:00 PM »
I have been a member for about 4 years now. I have never been treated unfairly, despite knowingly breaking many of the established rules of the forum. Looking back, there have been times that I myself have been pretty arrogant and hard-headed when I'd been warned. I still recieved several warnings, and never once have I been banned. Might have burned a bridge or two, and I'm sure I've came close to the chopping block a couple of times
But, I digress...
The GTA is a pretty awesome forum. I don't think that there is a more closely knit group of people on the internet. I feel closer to the members here than I do to most of the people that I work with. Let me tell you, that IS saying something. Also, I can tell you from my personal experience that you don't get banned easily. Not from posting misinformation about shortcuts you have tried, or anything else I can think of that I've done. Worst case, is you get publicly reprimanded by people who are just trying to protect other new guys from trying to do what I did that was either unsafe or not good for the gun.
As a leader, there are always going to be people trying to tear you down. Some people just can't handle being told when they are wrong. Also, a lot of people suffer from a complete inability to make an honest and accurate self-assessment. If anyone ever told me that they were banned from the GTA, I'd avoid them like the plague because I know what type of person that you must be to get the boot from this forum. You just keep doing what you have to do to protect us from people like that. I love you, God bless you!
-Bryan
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:28:23 PM »
Be you a Teacher, Student or Casual observer ..... It has been my observation seldom are ALL the needs met at any one place.
Some will be bored, others entertained while others feel it's just right.
Human nature is to gripe about things not fitting their wants or desires .... The web is sadly a faceless & emotionless place where anonymity "Can" bring out the worse in folks.
First thing one needs to learn when sharing or voicing opinion ... Grow some thick skin.
Second being that swimming against the current never works.
Dave, Your the captain and sail a stable ship with able crew ... those who wish to create mutiny can simply jump ship or be tossed overboard.
Pretty simple rules IMO.
Best Regards,
Scott
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:29:51 PM »
Pretty much reminds me of a similar Incident a few years back when a few bad apples accused Gene and Bob of getting rich off the GTA when at that time they were pretty much financing the entire forum with their own personal money. As ridiculous then as now.
The individuals on the other end of this deserved to be banned. The rules are in my pace to assure all fair and equal treatment. Should individuals not wish to comply....Good riddance.
Stay strong Dave.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:38:49 PM »
I am a newbie lurker here, and I must say that I very much appreciate this forum and the great people here.
The moderator/admin staff have been fair with their postings and control measures.
I am motivated to make an additional $ contribution which I will now do.
Thanks to all !
Keep up the great work.
Dan
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 02:46:51 PM »
I had to learn a few things the hard way. The end result is, other than a couple airgun related online classified sites, the GTA is the only place I use to feed my airgun addiction. A year or so ago curiosity got the best of me and i joined a couple facebook based airgun pages. I had no idea what I stepped in. Two of the sites were in the midst of some sort of peeing match. I was told by one of them that if I was a member of the other, I could not be a member of that one. I had made a few friends on both and even bought a very nice '85 Blue Streak from one gentleman but, I didn't want to be part of that type drama. So, I quit them both. Ya'll have made me feel very welcome here. I appreciate graciously the rules set forth and abide to the best of my knowledge. Dave, you and the guys do a great job in your thankless endeavors here at the GTA. I am proud to be in this fellowship.
And BTW... if I didn't already commit to 2 of the CMP 853 as being my next purchase, I would jump all other that 700 you recently posted in the classifieds... lol
Keep up the great work guys. Place the "duck rule" in effect and carry on. (rain just rolls off a duck's back and he trudges on)
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 03:16:50 PM »
This is an awesome forum!!!! Thanks for all you do, Dave(and GTA team)
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 07:58:43 PM »
I wouldnt sweat it we all know this is no money making BIG profit business otherwise there would be hundreds of air rifle forums and there are not. I can say this is by far the best one going currently and will be so for sometime I believe. I myself have been bad mouthed by others and I use to retaliate back but found it did more harm than good BUT you cant let people walk all over your good name and hard work, Thanks DAVE and the GTA for what you offer us all.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 08:08:43 PM »
This is the best managed forum of which I have ever been a part. Management here is exceedingly fair.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 08:20:32 PM »
DEz if you were any more fair in your dealings the back of your head would touch your heel's I have thoroughly enjoyed my adventure and even the thankless job of being a Moderator is not all bad just slightly difficult at times but if there is a better Chief on this forum he is already hanging with the big guy upstairs and smiling down rest assured you are doing a great job steering the forum into the future
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 09:33:30 PM »
This place is not only for my sport and hobby. I love this place for the camaraderie and the friends you meet and never see, but feel I have known them for years. I do however believe that I ran across this forum and was "enabled and fell into the dark side" through no fault of my own LOL. This led me to believe in others in this world of scammers etc. I just love this place that's all there is to it. May be why I am a little so called crazy.
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May 28, 2015, 11:42:12 PM »
Under the described circumstances, one could almost expect that sour grapes would be expressed. Given the character (?) of the individual involved (realizing what it takes to get kicked off of GTA), one could expect that such sour grapes would be loudly expressed in whatever forum(s) would allow him to post and that the sour grapes would be based on whatever fantasies he could concoct.
I wouldn't worry about such postings, wherever they occur. Anyone who comes to GTA will quickly see what is going on and will discount them out of hand. It doesn't take long for folks to see what goes on here and realize just how far away from reality such postings are. I realize that you may want to respond to those posts on whatever other forums allow them but you really don't have to defend yourself here!
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 28, 2015, 11:43:27 PM »
Quote: "I was described as "arrogant, insulting, hypocritical and self righteous"
Dave .... I see no errors in that statement! Describes you to a T!
You know I'm messin' with ya.
Dave, no need to ever defend yourself .... don't waste your time even reading that (I would cuss here, but then it would get edited by our dictator)!
Luv;
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 29, 2015, 02:41:07 AM »
Dave,
Just face it.
It's your fault... it's ALL your fault.
Heck,... I think that most of the stuff on the news, at my work, in the government, in third world countries, on the space station, and in galaxies far beyond is ALL YOUR fault !
But I don't care,... I'm still gonna hang out here for a long LONG time.
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 29, 2015, 03:37:26 AM »
This place has unexpectedly become part of My everyday life!.. It's because of You and other people like you on this forum.. Losers most likely will never change..
Keep up the good work!
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Re: A Few Thoughts..things that need to be said
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May 29, 2015, 04:01:19 AM »
Like many other members, I check this forum daily, several times daily.
Heard some mention of other forums, but have never bothered to check them out. The GTA has all that I need; no need to look elsewhere.
Keep up the good work guys.
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