Quote from: Motorhead on March 22, 2012, 04:28:38 PMYea right in an ideal world with a PERFECT fuse box shot !!More unfortunate critters get maimed to crawl elsewhere and suffer or die from such low power shots from dime store power bb guns / air rifles that fall under or at those power levels.Just my opinion, only critters to fall reliably under those power levels are small to med size birds, chipmunks & rats.But then again a lucky or correctly placed shot is like a LIGHTNING bolt even from a bb gun ... go figure.JMO ... nuttin more"small to med size birds, chipmunks & rats."I've had some experience with rats and can verify that they are VERY tough to drop unless the hit is "base of ear". My brother has double lunged several at rather close range (inder 20 yards) at my uncles farm using his .177 R9 tuned to shoot CPLs at about 14.5 fpe. All "double lunged" rats got back to the "hole under the wall" to die.When I hunted them in the out buildings at my uncle's farm I always hook head shots with my 13fpe .177 R9 and when hit near the base of the ear it was "lights out". Rats were actually harder to drop that tree squirrels and when hit in the head there was always a "sharp crack" sound from the pellet cracking the skull.
Yea right in an ideal world with a PERFECT fuse box shot !!More unfortunate critters get maimed to crawl elsewhere and suffer or die from such low power shots from dime store power bb guns / air rifles that fall under or at those power levels.Just my opinion, only critters to fall reliably under those power levels are small to med size birds, chipmunks & rats.But then again a lucky or correctly placed shot is like a LIGHTNING bolt even from a bb gun ... go figure.JMO ... nuttin more
There’s a recent discussion on AGN at the moment that wanders into this territory. In it, I posted this short clip showing what a wadcutter at 4.6fpe terminal energy does when it meets a gray squirrel’s noggin.Not saying I recommend it for everyday use, just reinforcing the point that it does not take much if the placement is good. The practical issue that arises is that the trajectory makes proper placements more challenging and it is more susceptible to wind drift.
Quote from: nervoustrigger on November 13, 2019, 01:03:13 PMThere’s a recent discussion on AGN at the moment that wanders into this territory. In it, I posted this short clip showing what a wadcutter at 4.6fpe terminal energy does when it meets a gray squirrel’s noggin.Not saying I recommend it for everyday use, just reinforcing the point that it does not take much if the placement is good. The practical issue that arises is that the trajectory makes proper placements more challenging and it is more susceptible to wind drift. I shot a gray squirrel in the head with a Marksman 2008 SSP and he did the same dance. Same results.LOL...."in the beginning" I used a .177 Daisy pump (before springers) to protect a bird feeder. Due to my mediocre accuracy with open sights I would take "rib shots" since it was a larger target than the head. After the "rib shot" a squirrels would normally climb up the tree from the bird feeder and after quite a few seconds the squirrel would lose it's grip and fall to the ground. Nope, don't need a lot of power but in my rimfire days I've had more than a few "rib shot squirrels" make it back to a "tree hole" to die after getting hit with a .22 bullet at over 100fpe. These experiences convinced me that the only thing necessary is a pellet through the vitals (especially at airgun power levels) and this is why I like two holes with one hit...one hole in and one hole out!
ah the age old question of fpe at poi to kill a critter. been debated for decades thus far, and still remains undefined and unresolved to an extent.FWIW, IME, it doesn't take as much power or as big a hole as possible to dispatch an animal as some people may believe. there's no replacement for proper placement, and pellet selection plays a big part in the equation. a hard alloy domed lead pellet with a good bc and sufficient energy at poi, even in .177, will drop most any animal in its tracks given the shooter does his part and puts the pill exactly where it needs to be.
Quote from: Mod90 on November 13, 2019, 08:08:22 PMah the age old question of fpe at poi to kill a critter. been debated for decades thus far, and still remains undefined and unresolved to an extent.FWIW, IME, it doesn't take as much power or as big a hole as possible to dispatch an animal as some people may believe. there's no replacement for proper placement, and pellet selection plays a big part in the equation. a hard alloy domed lead pellet with a good bc and sufficient energy at poi, even in .177, will drop most any animal in its tracks given the shooter does his part and puts the pill exactly where it needs to be. "a hard alloy domed lead pellet with a good bc and sufficient energy at poi, even in .177, will drop most any animal in its tracks"Yup....I think the same, even for critters that aren't normally .177 cal springer quarry with proper placement and penetration.........
Crows in my experience are tougher than people give them credit for. I would not consider using 6fpe. More like 12+ with the same good placement. I also think a lot of it depends on region. Here in the northeast coyotes will need a lot more energy to drop than the rest of the country simply because they are much more bulky. Heres a pic of one I trapped here in NY vs a stock photo of one from Colorado.
That's why I always say, if one intends to take the life of a living creature, always know your range, your weapon, your quarry, and your limits. If any of those are in question when the time comes to get down to brass tacks, theres no shame in letting the opportunity go.
Just remember there's nothing wrong with opting for more power in our sport for piece of mind.
Quote from: Nomadic Pirate on March 20, 2014, 08:01:56 PMCan't stand Charts !There's so many variables in hunting you can't just put down a number what Manny said! Hunting isn't math or science.
Can't stand Charts !There's so many variables in hunting you can't just put down a number