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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM »
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.

I'm thinking he was  possibly thinking that cold weather hunting and cO2 wouldnt be ideal.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2021, 02:27:10 PM »
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.



I'm thinking possibly that cold weather hunting cO2 wouldnt be ideal.

I agree, even though we both live in sunny CA that's one of the reasons I dumped CO2 for PCP.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2021, 02:58:01 PM »
I only "like" and have the low powered springers, like the Diana 240 / HW30s. The more medium/high powered springers are always all a bit too much of everything.

CO2 is okay-ish, but only with warm weather...

So the pumper wins for me !

But all in all I am soo happy with my PCP's and glad they are around  :D

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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2021, 03:12:26 PM »
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2021, 03:42:59 PM »
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2021, 03:48:25 PM »
A PCP is just a pumper with the pump separated from the rifle/pistol... sure it has much bigger hpa storage and tend to operate at higher pressure... but at their core they are a pumper...

So when I was younger (1970's-1980's) I dreamed of a pump air rifle that could send .22-.25 rounds out at about 50 or so fpe... I knew it was possible... Bob here has done so using an external tank to make an air conserving multi pump...

Sp-rongers have there fans and uses... But for me their power limitations, being pellet picky and their hold pickiness have kept me a pumper guy since the 1960's... 

So yep for me I could not say I would pick barrel drooping scope eaters...

will always be  pumpers for me...

took a whole lot of game with a  Benji .22 and a Crosman .22 magnum (both modded to about 18 fpe) in the 80s... They were much better for hunting because of the accuracy advantage was even bigger then because of the limited choice of ammo... Basically the green tin Benji Hi Comps...

So on top of the advantages of pumpers... well... probably have a good bit of nostalgic feelings that help me bond to my rifles also...

Never have been able to bond with a springer...
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2021, 04:13:25 PM »
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.

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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2021, 04:13:51 PM »
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.


I agree 100%

I've tried many types of airgun power plants, springers are by far my favorite. Weihrauch and Diana have some very nice offerings with accuracy, decent power and great triggers. I've had enjoyable times with a Benji 392 and Daisy 880, the build quality and triggers hold them back. But they're in a totally different price range.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2021, 06:30:25 PM »
Well PCP's already don't exist in my personal airgun world.  Modestly powered break barrel springers do everything I need to do. My Diana 280 will lay its favorite pellets inside a half inch at 25 yards fairly consistently. Yes I have to do my part but the more I shoot this rifle the more consistently I am able to do my part.

I don't find that a modestly powered springer (6-12 fpe) is all that difficult to shoot accurately. I believe the secret is in a decent tune and a good trigger.

The only other type of power plant that interests me is an SSP. I like those mainly for short range target games.
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2021, 06:56:28 PM »
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2021, 08:52:35 PM »
MSP - given that if PCP's did not exist, the MSP would have evolved to a high level of performance and refinement.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2021, 09:06:33 PM »
I would continue using my beloved old school traditional pumpers.

I have never even held a PCP or seen one in person beyond at a store once or twice,  and I'm really not even interested in what pumpers would have become without PCP's taking off either.
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2021, 09:15:03 PM »
If PCPs didn't exist I would have a lot more money in the bank :) :)
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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2021, 09:35:54 PM »
 Pumper or break barrel for me, good thing there is a tool for every job though  ;D
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2021, 09:45:18 PM »
I dunno, I just tried pumping a 1322 and after a couple of shots, I was done playing with the "toy"!  IMO, 90% of the time I shoot 25 yards or less anyways so Co2 for me. I owned a R-7 so break barrels also get the nod...
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2021, 10:27:01 PM »
Pumper or break barrel for me, good thing there is a tool for every job though  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2021, 10:27:26 PM »
If PCPs didn't exist I would have a lot more money in the bank :) :)

Isnít that the truth lol
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2021, 11:36:32 PM »
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.

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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2021, 11:57:30 PM »
If pcps weren't around I'd have one airgun, my hw50 in 20 cal and all my "slug" shooting go to my silenced precision 22 lr . So in short, break barrel.
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Re: If pcps didnít exist
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2021, 12:21:33 AM »
The first air rifles were PCPs.  http://www.beemans.net/images/Austrian%20airguns.htm .  Not sure why that didn't take off - IIRC, back then four shots per minute was pretty good with a muzzleloading musket.  That thing could shoot 20 shots as fast as a lever-action rifle, and reloads faster than a lever-action rifle.
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