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Title: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: DMR214 on June 19, 2021, 01:47:40 PM
So is there any way around it. I have stigmatism and I can't clearly see the reticle without the glasses. Am pretty sure am not the only one in this boat.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 19, 2021, 01:56:33 PM
So is there any way around it. I have stigmatism and I can't clearly see the reticle without the glasses. Am pretty sure am not the only one in this boat.


I have severe astigmatism, but I don't use prescription spectacles when peering thru a scope.

I do adjust the ocular.

Admittedly, I lose a bit of definition sans my graded eyewear, but I find it cumbersome to wear it whilst shooting, finding it somehow visually disconcerting.

Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 19, 2021, 02:07:51 PM
I also have 4 signature eyeglasses to suit my wardrobe and a beater one.

I get my prescription lenses from the Philippines (have my eyes examined here), as they are so much cheaper.

I only use French-made Crizal brand multicoated lenses.

Price comparison:

$30 - $35  in the PI vs close to $300 in the US.

Sorry for the OT, but this topic reminds me to have my eyes checked again  ;D

Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: DMR214 on June 19, 2021, 02:19:24 PM
I too find it a little bothersome peeping through a scope with 4 eyes. Especially with glares and smudges. I tried adjusting the ocular and its either a clear reticle and blurry target or vice - versa.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 19, 2021, 02:23:15 PM
I too find it a little bothersome peeping through a scope with 4 eyes. Especially with glares and smudges. I tried adjusting the ocular and its either a clear reticle and blurry target or vice - versa.


I know what you mean, Mr. Other Rick  ;D

It does not affect my groupings though and never have.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Back_Roads on June 19, 2021, 03:18:24 PM
 Many scopes under $50 I need to take my glasses off to see a clear picture, and then only if I adjust the ocular to my naked eye. I t must have something to do with where the lenses focusses to my eye.
 As seen is this video I did with a cheap gun and scope combo.
https://youtu.be/mn7m-aADt-A
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: DMR214 on June 19, 2021, 07:19:46 PM
I too find it a little bothersome peeping through a scope with 4 eyes. Especially with glares and smudges. I tried adjusting the ocular and its either a clear reticle and blurry target or vice - versa.


I know what you mean, Mr. Other Rick  ;D

It does not affect my groupings though and never have.

Lol Nice,!  You might just be a better shooter then me.!  :D ( if he can do it , I can do it) voice in my head lol.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: DMR214 on June 19, 2021, 07:23:53 PM
Many scopes under $50 I need to take my glasses off to see a clear picture, and then only if I adjust the ocular to my naked eye. I t must have something to do with where the lenses focusses to my eye.
 As seen is this video I did with a cheap gun and scope combo.
https://youtu.be/mn7m-aADt-A

So much for a 500$ scope that doesn't adjust to my eyes well .  :o haha when you realize you still got the glasses on. & the glare is worse in my glasses then your head on the video..  ;)
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Oldgringo on June 20, 2021, 05:16:49 PM
I also have 4 signature eyeglasses to suit my wardrobe and a beater one.

I get my prescription lenses from the Philippines (have my eyes examined here), as they are so much cheaper.

I only use French-made Crizal brand multicoated lenses.

Price comparison:

$30 - $35  in the PI vs close to $300 in the US.

Sorry for the OT, but this topic reminds me to have my eyes checked again  ;D

How does one get prescription eyeglasses from the Philippines?   Asking for a friend....
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 20, 2021, 05:27:11 PM
I also have 4 signature eyeglasses to suit my wardrobe and a beater one.

I get my prescription lenses from the Philippines (have my eyes examined here), as they are so much cheaper.

I only use French-made Crizal brand multicoated lenses.

Price comparison:

$30 - $35  in the PI vs close to $300 in the US.

Sorry for the OT, but this topic reminds me to have my eyes checked again  ;D

How does one get prescription eyeglasses from the Philippines?   Asking for a friend....


I have friends who go home every now and then, so I just give them money (and the frames for fitment), Mr. Greg.

Bunch of optical shops and optometrists (check up is free for as long as you purchase from them) in the PI it would only take an hour or even less to have new eyeglasses.

Lots of them inside the shopping malls, you know.

My method is to purchase one brand and model of frame with different colors, so that I would only send out a single frame but have multiple lenses made.

I do have my eyes examined here (obviously  ;D),  and I just secure a copy of the prescription.

Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Oldgringo on June 20, 2021, 05:33:09 PM
Thanks Richard, I was just wondering.  I had Cataract surgery a few years ago and I can get by with over the counter reading glasses for close up stuff.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Insanity on June 20, 2021, 05:38:56 PM
I have purchased several pair of glasses off of https://www.zennioptical.com/ (https://www.zennioptical.com/) and for what I think is very cheap under $40 dollars usually shipped. All you need is your prescription once and if you are like me it never changes so years later I can order glasses with out a new RX. I pay a little more for high index lenses so if I went the cheapest option and selected coke bottle glasses i would save about half for a pair of cheap glasses some cases.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: AKM on June 20, 2021, 05:50:51 PM
We glasses wearers need scopes with AO adjustment to adjust to our specs.
Ocular to focus the reticle and Objective to focus the view.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 20, 2021, 05:57:36 PM
Mr. Matt, there is a big difference between cheap and expensive lenses when it comes to quality.

Like I have said, I only use Crizal on mine.

I did try a pair of cheap multi-coated ones once, but they turned "oily" after a few months--it was the coating going batty when exposed constantly to UV rays.

My Crizal lenses still look excellent after half a decade, but I do take care of them, using only Essilor lens wipe:


(https://i.imgur.com/fToL5lT.jpg)

Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Insanity on June 20, 2021, 06:04:51 PM
I dont argue with you on that I am very tough on my glasses and even the best lenses dont last long for me. Well my last two professions were very tough with harsh chemicals so I really only had a 6month life span anyways. Something about brake cleaner, oils, dirt, stone dust and explosive emulations eat everything but glass.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Rick67 on June 20, 2021, 06:13:33 PM
I dont argue with you on that I am very tough on my glasses and even the best lenses dont last long for me. Well my last two professions were very tough with harsh chemicals so I really only had a 6month life span anyways. Something about brake cleaner, oils, dirt, stone dust and explosive emulations eat everything but glass.


Yes, glasses are really superior if not for their weight  ;D

I wore Ray-Bans Aviators with photobrown prescription glass lenses when I was in the 5th grade.

Heavy and cannot be worn the whole day w/o discomfort  :(
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Insanity on June 20, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
Comfort is another aspect I no longer do wire frames because the ear and nose pads are the worst. Now full plastic with a full nose bridge and now I find I do not like sprung scales.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Insanity on June 20, 2021, 06:19:01 PM
So is there any way around it. I have stigmatism and I can't clearly see the reticle without the glasses. Am pretty sure am not the only one in this boat.

Well I just realized I am in the same boat and did not answer you directly. I am so near sighted that I cannot adjust to scope to my uncorrected vision I have to wear glasses. The focus wheel is a function that is absolutely useless to me.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: AKM on June 20, 2021, 06:32:59 PM
Hi Index, either 1.6 or 1.7 glass lenses are great. As light as plastic with the durability of glass.
There are not cheap but I will never go back to plastic. They also have higher clarity then plastic.
It's so nice to be working in the yard and wipe your dirty sweaty glasses with your dirty t shirt and not scratch or harm the lenses.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: DMR214 on June 20, 2021, 06:50:49 PM
I know very little about glasses, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Glasses broke/blurry reticle
Post by: Mole2017 on June 20, 2021, 09:15:58 PM
Someone pointed it out already: first step is to set the AO and ocular focus correctly. No big deal, but important if you want focused target and focused cross hairs in the same view.

As a long-time wearer of eyeglasses, I'll point out that of all optics, rifle scopes have eye relief in spades. While I might take my glasses off for many microscopes and some cheaper binoculars because I can't get them close enough to my eye with glasses on, that isn't a problem for all but the cheapest scopes. And I mean really cheap trashy scopes.

Anyway, after eye relief, important issues for me are coatings. I am a guy that cleans his eyeglasses maybe once a week. They do get bad, and thought the grime might give me trouble in some lighting situations when not shooting, it doesn't interfere with scope usage. I can't say I've messed with coatings that supposedly stay clean better than others. (More on cleaning in a moment.) However, I consider antireflective coatings (multicoating, if you will) a must to control objectional glare. Otherwise, what you are wearing is only barely better than a cheap trashy scope on two points, (1) it is one lens instead a of a group of lenses pretending to be a useful instrument and (2) it is a lower power lens in the first place. Truth be told, some people's sense of color is so good they prefer lenses without optical coatings, but I am not one of them! While on this point, you have to understand that most modern optics would be hindered greatly, if not impossible to use, if they were made without the use of multi-coated lenses! What works for your binoculars and scope works for eyeglasses too.

Related to glare, edge treatments can cause problems. I had a frameless pair once that had some significant edge reflections and glare, though I forget now if that was a polished or frosted edge. If you get a full frame, even if just thin metal instead of a plastic frame, that probably won't be an issue.

You have choices regarding lens materials. A cheap acrylic lens is going to be thicker and optically not quite as nice as some of the better materials now available, but I have done ok with acrylic lenses in the past. Then again, my corrections are barely two diopters. I've always been happy with polycarbonate lenses. The high index and really nice plastics are going to get you lighter weight, thinner edges (and thinner lenses overall) and better color correction in strong prescriptions.

Edge thickness bugs some people, but not others, which brings me to a final point: eye placement, or more specifically, head position. If the scope is too far back, for example, you are going to have a hard time getting your face in the right place to see without looking through the corner of the lens next to your nose. This is also the dirtiest place on any of my glasses. The fix is simple: move the scope forward and get the taller rings if necessary. I only mention scope ring height by way of completeness: I actually prefer my scope bells almost touching the barrel and have no problem getting a good view from behind the scope. Of course, in 32 mm and larger objectives, that results in a decent enough height of the scope axis above the bore. Just make sure you don't have the scope too far back on the rifle.

As for cleaning, that has been covered in other threads as it pertains to scopes, but the rules are similar for my glasses: rinse, soap and water, rinse again and pat dry only. I even prefer to not let opticians clean my lenses. I suppose if you can guarantee you don't have any gritty dirt on your lenses a lens cloth might be permissible, but I can't so it is soap and water and clean wet fingers doing the cleaning. My lenses last forever unless I drop them on something or walk into things sticking out in my way  ::)

My computer glasses are 5 years old now. There were purchased online (eyebuydirect) and early last year did experience a coating failure on both lenses in the corner closest to the bridge of my noise. That is where the oils from the nose and eyebrows are worst for me. It wasn't cleaning that caused it (lack of cleaning, maybe). It was just in the corner, and technically wasn't an issue, until I made the mistake of trying to remove some spray paint mist from the lenses with a quick wipe from an acetone loaded tissue. It got the paint, but it also attacked the lens material, resulting in a white frost. That was a very tough mess to remove! I actually got out the Meguiar's and polished most of that out, but they could use another round.

Speaking of purchase, you can do ok with some online places. They may be the cheapest option, but you might have to screw around with getting the fit to suit you. If your eye doctor is willing to mess with glasses they didn't sell you, that can be a help. After that, Walmart is pretty cost effective for me and even has some nice lens material choices (did that for my wife--stronger corrections needed). As much as I like my optometrist, the options they sell are overpriced.