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Title: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 10, 2021, 11:54:56 AM
If our beloved pcps didn’t exist what would you choose?
A:break barrel
B:multi pump
C:CO2

Choose and say why you chose this particular power plant.

I would choose a break barrel preferably one with a Rekard trigger :) because it’s less work to pump compared to a multi pump. I hunt so c02 would be out of the question
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 10, 2021, 11:57:26 AM
If PCPs didn't exist, I think we would have better MSPs to choose from. My vote goes to pumpers for for that reason.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Motorhead on June 10, 2021, 12:11:09 PM
having to deal with and accept sup par accuracy due to cyclic recoil of a spring piston rifle ..... Pump pneumatic all the way !!!
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: pdxFrank on June 10, 2021, 12:25:50 PM
Tried PCP a few times.  Doubt I'll ever do that again.

Break-barrels all-the-way. :)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 10, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Yep.... pumpers for me, particularly Sheridans.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Ribbonstone on June 10, 2021, 12:31:28 PM
Just ignoring a few centuries of PCP’s like it never happened.
 
MSP and Co2 are about 95% of the PCP idea, but assuming no one put together that last 5-10% to get more than one shot from a pump-up.

MAYBE, without PCP’s, the other types of airguns would have advanced faster and in other directions….or the few  springer/MSP “freaks” that went out of production actually caught on and kept improving.

If the breeds  didn’t improve, and we were just thinking as if we picked CO2, Springer, MSP on todays Prymaid’s offerings…..likely a springer.

I like co2, but I don’t push it for power.  It’s also the only air gun where we have to BUY the gas to run it, not as popular in cold climates, so close to how a PCP works that someone would certainly think of using air.

I like MSP’s...but the offerings today are limited (and not too thrilling).  Sad to say, but the best of that breed are all in the past tense.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Lt. Dan on June 10, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
My passion, definitely Break-barrels all-the-way. :)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 10, 2021, 12:47:02 PM
It would be interesting in 50 or 60 years to see what, if any, PCP gun stands the test of time.
I ain't gonna be around to see it anyhow...  :o
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 10, 2021, 12:48:55 PM

I like MSP’s...but the offerings today are limited (and not too thrilling).  Sad to say, but the best of that breed are all in the past tense.

For the most part, today's MSPs are aimed at beginners and have lawyer triggers and plastic everywhere. IF pcps had not come along, I believe there would be quality MSPs with nice stocks, barrels, and good triggers built for enthusiasts.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Acapulco on June 10, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: John4861 on June 10, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
That's a tough call. I'd probably go break barrel for hunting; maybe like a Gamo Swarm Maxxim gen 2+, with that inertia mag setup. Honestly, if I could find one, that Sig ASP20 they discontinued sounded like the best of all worlds in a springer, and that I'd take as a first choice could I find one, just because of the way it locked up. I just got into this stuff a little too late.

I would carry a matching caliber pump up pistol, like a 1322 for close work, with the rifle.  Hey you guys who have a 1322 or 77, how long can you leave it pumped and cocked without hurting it?
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: AKM on June 10, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
CO2 because I'm mostly a hunter/pester.
Pumping the action is too noise and the body movement of pumping gives your position away.
Springers also make noise during cocking with a lot of body movement involved.
Follow up shots (if needed) are also very slow with both pumpers and springers.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: AKM on June 10, 2021, 01:14:49 PM
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Cslinger on June 10, 2021, 01:27:23 PM
Spring guns all the way for me. I prefer them to PCP guns now.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Ribbonstone on June 10, 2021, 01:27:35 PM
Old  guy ramble:

As a kid (and most every one in the US at the time) would hunt with MSP’s...Crosman 101’s, Benjamins 342’s, Sheridan “C’s.

Basically 11-14 foot pound rifles in standard from.  In the warm months (when I should NOT have been hunting) add in the old Crosman 160/180's on co2.

Remember killing tree squirrels and rabbits out to what I then though was “far”.

Old homestead existed until I sold it in 2012.  Walked it, measure it, buildings still there,  shade trees still there (although fatter/taller).

Memory of “far” then works out to about 40 yards in real measurement.

The game haven’t grown armor plates or gotten bigger….what killed them back then (call it 12 foot pounds muzzle energy) kills them today.

TODAY..better pellets, better files, optical sights…..more accurate.  But I still stick a 40 yard limit on airguns of the same power (regardless of what they could do...or how tiny the groups).

I can certainly live with that….works as well now as it did then….but you gotta be a hunter to get inside of 40 yards, leave the rest to the wanna-be snipers.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on June 10, 2021, 01:37:32 PM
For what I do PCP is irreplaceable,.....I would have to go 22Lr,

I might have a couple gas pistons to play around but probably would get very little use like the ones I have now.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 10, 2021, 01:42:52 PM
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.

I guess it’s because of the power output for a humane kill is not enough from a c02 vs a springer or even a multi pump although I understand shot placement is key but things happen when hunting (wind, twigs....) that I feel a little more fpe is always better. I think we owe it to the game. If I’m
Shooting sparrows at 8 yards, fine CO2 is probably ok but stretch out the distance now you need the power of a break barrel or multi pump.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 10, 2021, 01:50:59 PM
Old  guy ramble:

As a kid (and most every one in the US at the time) would hunt with MSP’s...Crosman 101’s, Benjamins 342’s, Sheridan “C’s.

Basically 11-14 foot pound rifles in standard from.  In the warm months (when I should NOT have been hunting) add in the old Crosman 160/180's on co2.

Remember killing tree squirrels and rabbits out to what I then though was “far”.

Old homestead existed until I sold it in 2012.  Walked it, measure it, buildings still there,  shade trees still there (although fatter/taller).

Memory of “far” then works out to about 40 yards in real measurement.

The game haven’t grown armor plates or gotten bigger….what killed them back then (call it 12 foot pounds muzzle energy) kills them today.

TODAY..better pellets, better files, optical sights…..more accurate.  But I still stick a 40 yard limit on airguns of the same power (regardless of what they could do...or how tiny the groups).

I can certainly live with that….works as well now as it did then….but you gotta be a hunter to get inside of 40 yards, leave the rest to the wanna-be snipers.

I came up in the 70s and 80s, but I didn't start hunting until the early 80s. My first real pellet gun was a Crosman 2100. That thing killed 100s of birds, squirrels, rabbits, rats, and even a crow or 2.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: north country gal on June 10, 2021, 02:13:27 PM
My best springers won't quite match the accuracy of my best PCPs, but close enough. I'd be quite happy shooting only high end springers.

True, a good pumper can be accurate, but the pumpers out there, now, are a &^^& shoot for accuracy. Out of a dozen Crosman, Benjamin and Sheridan pumpers we have, only two will shoot with my best springers or PCPs. The rest are certainly accurate enough for most uses and, back in the day, I did a lot of squirrel hunting with an old Sheridan, but when I want to sit down and shoot for group size, I don't care for all the pumping.

Hey, I like CO2, but for us CO2 is an indoor gun or summer gun, only, in our northern climate.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: AKM on June 10, 2021, 02:19:18 PM
You should be able to get 600 to 700fps with a tuned CO2 and proper pellet selection.
12-13fpe is all you need for small pests and humane kills.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Tommyzgunz on June 10, 2021, 02:23:50 PM
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.

I'm thinking he was  possibly thinking that cold weather hunting and cO2 wouldnt be ideal.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: AKM on June 10, 2021, 02:27:10 PM
CO2 for me...like it even more than Pcp

" I hunt so c02 would be out of the question" ...OP

Why do you say ?

I'm curious too.



I'm thinking possibly that cold weather hunting cO2 wouldnt be ideal.

I agree, even though we both live in sunny CA that's one of the reasons I dumped CO2 for PCP.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: triggerfest on June 10, 2021, 02:58:01 PM
I only "like" and have the low powered springers, like the Diana 240 / HW30s. The more medium/high powered springers are always all a bit too much of everything.

CO2 is okay-ish, but only with warm weather...

So the pumper wins for me !

But all in all I am soo happy with my PCP's and glad they are around  :D

Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Struckat on June 10, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 10, 2021, 03:42:59 PM
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: K.O. on June 10, 2021, 03:48:25 PM
A PCP is just a pumper with the pump separated from the rifle/pistol... sure it has much bigger hpa storage and tend to operate at higher pressure... but at their core they are a pumper...

So when I was younger (1970's-1980's) I dreamed of a pump air rifle that could send .22-.25 rounds out at about 50 or so fpe... I knew it was possible... Bob here has done so using an external tank to make an air conserving multi pump...

Sp-rongers have there fans and uses... But for me their power limitations, being pellet picky and their hold pickiness have kept me a pumper guy since the 1960's... 

So yep for me I could not say I would pick barrel drooping scope eaters...

will always be  pumpers for me...

took a whole lot of game with a  Benji .22 and a Crosman .22 magnum (both modded to about 18 fpe) in the 80s... They were much better for hunting because of the accuracy advantage was even bigger then because of the limited choice of ammo... Basically the green tin Benji Hi Comps...

So on top of the advantages of pumpers... well... probably have a good bit of nostalgic feelings that help me bond to my rifles also...

Never have been able to bond with a springer...
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: K.O. on June 10, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.

Re- Release  THE TITAN MOHAWK .. ;)       / Daystate Sportsman MK II... 

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2018/10/daystate-sportsman-mark-ii/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2018/10/daystate-sportsman-mark-ii/) 
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: ER00z on June 10, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.


I agree 100%

I've tried many types of airgun power plants, springers are by far my favorite. Weihrauch and Diana have some very nice offerings with accuracy, decent power and great triggers. I've had enjoyable times with a Benji 392 and Daisy 880, the build quality and triggers hold them back. But they're in a totally different price range.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Bill_in_TR on June 10, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Well PCP's already don't exist in my personal airgun world.  Modestly powered break barrel springers do everything I need to do. My Diana 280 will lay its favorite pellets inside a half inch at 25 yards fairly consistently. Yes I have to do my part but the more I shoot this rifle the more consistently I am able to do my part.

I don't find that a modestly powered springer (6-12 fpe) is all that difficult to shoot accurately. I believe the secret is in a decent tune and a good trigger.

The only other type of power plant that interests me is an SSP. I like those mainly for short range target games.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Acapulco on June 10, 2021, 06:56:28 PM
Re release Mohawk/ Sportsman ( I own )

FX tried with Indy
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: CraigH on June 10, 2021, 08:52:35 PM
MSP - given that if PCP's did not exist, the MSP would have evolved to a high level of performance and refinement.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: bantam5s on June 10, 2021, 09:06:33 PM
I would continue using my beloved old school traditional pumpers.

I have never even held a PCP or seen one in person beyond at a store once or twice,  and I'm really not even interested in what pumpers would have become without PCP's taking off either.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on June 10, 2021, 09:15:03 PM
If PCPs didn't exist I would have a lot more money in the bank :) :)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Back_Roads on June 10, 2021, 09:35:54 PM
 Pumper or break barrel for me, good thing there is a tool for every job though  ;D
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PG in San Diego on June 10, 2021, 09:45:18 PM
I dunno, I just tried pumping a 1322 and after a couple of shots, I was done playing with the "toy"!  IMO, 90% of the time I shoot 25 yards or less anyways so Co2 for me. I owned a R-7 so break barrels also get the nod...
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 10, 2021, 10:27:01 PM
Pumper or break barrel for me, good thing there is a tool for every job though  ;D

Aman:)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 10, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
If PCPs didn't exist I would have a lot more money in the bank :) :)

Isn’t that the truth lol
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Struckat on June 10, 2021, 11:36:32 PM
If there were $500-$800 pumpers made to the quality of springers currently in that price range, I would buy one today.

I am a slow learner that is starting to understand that I will eventually need a pcp.

I think Crosman is taking a step in the right direction with this new 362 that's coming out. I also think with all the sub $500 PCPs we have on the market that there is room for a pumper somewhere in that price range and I think it would sell well.

Re- Release  THE TITAN MOHAWK .. ;)       / Daystate Sportsman MK II... 

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2018/10/daystate-sportsman-mark-ii/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2018/10/daystate-sportsman-mark-ii/)

The 362 is just more of what I already have.....

WTB Daystate Sportsman MKII...
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Bladebum on June 10, 2021, 11:57:30 PM
If pcps weren't around I'd have one airgun, my hw50 in 20 cal and all my "slug" shooting go to my silenced precision 22 lr . So in short, break barrel.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Booder98 on June 11, 2021, 12:21:33 AM
The first air rifles were PCPs.  http://www.beemans.net/images/Austrian%20airguns.htm (http://www.beemans.net/images/Austrian%20airguns.htm) .  Not sure why that didn't take off - IIRC, back then four shots per minute was pretty good with a muzzleloading musket.  That thing could shoot 20 shots as fast as a lever-action rifle, and reloads faster than a lever-action rifle.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: subscriber on June 11, 2021, 12:50:12 AM
What to do, if PCPs didn't exist?  Invent them :)


I have a few PCPs, but am a springer owner at heart.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 11, 2021, 01:14:45 AM
What to do, if PCPs didn't exist?  Invent them :)


I have a few PCPs, but am a springer owner at heart.

Lol yes invent them and I’ll ask the same question on GTA in 15 years:)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 11, 2021, 01:16:38 AM
If pcps weren't around I'd have one airgun, my hw50 in 20 cal and all my "slug" shooting go to my silenced precision 22 lr . So in short, break barrel.

Yes I agree the hw50’ is a fine gun I own one it’s a nice cross between my hw30 and hw95
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: T3PRanch on June 11, 2021, 02:17:59 AM
I will use my FX Indy Pumper!  ???   ;D
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Bayman on June 11, 2021, 07:11:16 AM
PCPs don't exist in my world already. PCPs were never worth the investment to me. If I needed any more power or accuracy than my springers, I just go to PBs which were infinitely cheaper than PCPs. With the current ammo crunch I might have to reconsider that. but that's not the question of the OP.

It gets too cold here for Co2. Even if it didn't, the cartridges would get too expensive for the amount I shoot.

Although I grew up on and own a couple of pumpers, they aren't refined enough for me yet. Why someone hasn't made a refined PCP style rifle with a self contained pump is beyond me.

So my answer to the OP, my alternative would be (already is) break barrel springers. They suit my needs well.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 11, 2021, 07:20:32 AM
Pumpers and C02 are essentially PCP. You pre charge them by pumping air into a tube by hand or with a cart. So basically, the only correct answer is springer.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Tommyzgunz on June 11, 2021, 08:12:24 AM
PCPs don't exist in my world already. PCPs were never worth the investment to me. If I needed any more power or accuracy than my springers, I just go to PBs which were infinitely cheaper than PCPs. With the current ammo crunch I might have to reconsider that. but that's not the question of the OP.

It gets too cold here for Co2. Even if it didn't, the cartridges would get too expensive for the amount I shoot.

Although I grew up on and own a couple of pumpers, they aren't refined enough for me yet. Why someone hasn't made a refined PCP style rifle with a self contained pump is beyond me.

So my answer to the OP, my alternative would be (already is) break barrel springers. They suit my needs well.
Definitely agree with the comparison to PB's I have vintage PB's I've picked up for less tan 200.00 But I do enjoy my PCP's as well as my Diana 34. I'm sure I'll be picking up more springers and possibly a pump or two as well.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 11, 2021, 10:02:48 AM
I will use my FX Indy Pumper!  ???   ;D

That looks sweet! Too bad they don’t make them anymore
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 11, 2021, 10:17:29 AM
I enjoy my Seneca Aspen but it's a bit big and bulky for woods walking. The locking pump handle does make carrying nice but.....
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: jimbo on June 11, 2021, 10:37:03 AM
I love my Marauder and can't wait to get a big bore. And I really like my co2 guns also and they've killed boat loads of rabbits and squirrels over the years. I've got one break barrel a Gamo 1250 Hunter ( the Hurricane) It's a beast but I'm just not into break barrels, I don't care for them. I would sell my break barrel and never look back.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 11, 2021, 11:19:17 AM
It's threads like these that inspire me to wipe down and revisit some of my seldom used guns.
Thanks for the thread.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Rob M on June 11, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
PCPS werent cheap or common on the forums 12 yrs ago..Yea , people had them but the majority did not.. The discovery broke that cycle . and even then the hand pumps were 200 dollars, and compressors were rare until the shoebox gained steam years later. Pumpers would have advanced more than anything in the absense of PCP , wed likely have 16 fpe SSPs now from several companies  , the webley paradigm would already be 10 yrs old and well distributed  , there would be co2 big bores where co2 is a far more effective gas. Msp guns would be sidelevers and almost effortless , really ACP would have taken off also , magazines and onboard air storage ( kinda like the aspen ) . Or maybe wed just have what we have now and no pcps .. who knows
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 11, 2021, 11:27:38 AM
It's threads like these that inspire me to wipe down and revisit some of my seldom used guns.
Thanks for the thread.

You’re welcome:)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 11, 2021, 11:45:51 AM
The PCP World was inevitable.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Novagun on June 11, 2021, 06:44:21 PM
If pcps didn't exist that would take us back to about the 17th century. We would use crossbows and longbows and matchlocks. We probably wouldn't be able to afford them so aren't we privileged with what we have.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Bill_in_TR on June 11, 2021, 06:53:35 PM
If pcps didn't exist that would take us back to about the 17th century. We would use crossbows and longbows and matchlocks. We probably wouldn't be able to afford them so aren't we privileged with what we have.

Now that you mention it I am also very happy with my longbows. Longbows and break barrels. They work fine for me.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: null on June 11, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
I've been a pumper guy... I love single and multi pumpers.

I just like the minimal recoil.

With PCP, they are just like CO2 or a pumper.

Actually, there are a few PCPs that incorporate a pump built right into the gun. I remember trying one, and I don't remember the name of it. It was eh, OK, but not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: byhsu on June 11, 2021, 11:54:36 PM
If our beloved pcps didn’t exist what would you choose?
A:break barrel
B:multi pump
C:CO2

Choose and say why you chose this particular power plant.

I would choose a break barrel preferably one with a Rekard trigger :) because it’s less work to pump compared to a multi pump. I hunt so c02 would be out of the question

PCP's do exist and I still choose Spring Piston air rifles.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: AirGumby1 on June 13, 2021, 10:30:34 AM
Underlevers for the springers in my arsenal.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Back_Roads on June 13, 2021, 11:29:55 AM
 If PCPs did not exist... I would have 1/3rd less guns  :o
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 13, 2021, 12:53:02 PM
I'd just be happy shooting my Diana m48 that I've had for 30 years AND have a lot more money in my account.lol
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 13, 2021, 02:42:11 PM
If PCPs did not exist... I would have 1/3rd less guns  :o
My bank account would be healthier.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: lefteyeshot on June 13, 2021, 02:59:15 PM
Steel spring, break barrel, side or under lever. The beauty if simplicity.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: johnbrown on June 13, 2021, 04:48:52 PM
Springers are definitely simpler and way more robust with much less maintenance needed than PCPs.

You can shoot a springer several thousands of shots  until one of these 3 things break:
-main spring (it will break after 2000 to 20000 shots)
-breech oring, this will usually last unless you decide to "OIL" your springers and the oil will burn the orings
-piston seal, rare to break, should last tens of thousands of shots, unless you do something stupid such as using the wrong oil

The PCPs are way more complicated than springers with many orings that can break after a few hundred shots, or when you do something stupid.

The PCPs are:
-way more accurate than springers
-great shot cycle (your brain will not vibrate after the shot)
-can be made very quiet with the right silencer

If there were no PCPs I would shoot multi-pump air rifles.
I have a few multi-pump:
-Nova Freedom, basically PCP accuracy and power with an onboard pump
-Crosman 1377/1322 with various barrel lengths and calibers
-Crosman 2400KT  x 3, 2240 x 1 with various barrel lengths and calibers, all on HPA using the GMAC Powerlet eliminators (these are almost PCPs)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: jimbo on June 13, 2021, 05:35:32 PM
I like how you think Nick!
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Rocketman2021 on June 14, 2021, 01:53:25 AM
I'm doing fine with my under-level thanks
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: SteveP-52 on June 14, 2021, 09:53:33 AM
3 PCP's, 1 pumper, 1 CO2, 20 springers/gas rams.

I scratched the itch to know about them, but never completely fell down the rabbit hole (they lied about the cookies). No need for moreeeeee power, bigger calibers, more support equipment. Never had a need to be the first kid on the block with the newest, latest, greatest gun/guns, scopes or above mentioned support equipment introduced to the air gun world. I can easily pick off the pests I need to and not need a 50 or 70 or 100+ fpe rifle to do that. I do have a tank for those 3 PCP's I finally found a place to get filled but for as much as I shoot them, it will probably be a year before that tank needs filled again.

I grab a rifle, tin of pellets, go sit outside on my fat, pasty white backside and shoot all I want and life is just fine :)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 14, 2021, 09:59:49 AM
All of my PCPs are simple guns and I use a hand pump, so support equipment is minimal. That said, I'm falling in love with pumpers again. I'm just not a springer guy. I've owned several including a beautiful r9, but they just don't do it for me.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Firewalker on June 14, 2021, 10:09:13 AM
Pumpers all the way.

Aint nobody got time for "Artillery Hold" nonsense.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 14, 2021, 10:50:22 AM
Well, PCPs do exist and here I sit waiting for USPS to deliver my second 392s this week.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: north country gal on June 14, 2021, 11:46:03 AM
Fun discussion and nice to see what other folks like to shoot, but as others have mentioned, given that we already have other types of pneumatics and have had them for a long time, it's pretty hard to imagine that PCPs would not exist. Despite all the add ons, PCPs are actually pretty simple AGs. Biggest issue has always been getting them filled. Once you have that solved, all that's left is to load pellets and shoot. I do like that simplicity when it comes time to shoot.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: s.corcoran on June 14, 2021, 04:51:39 PM
Springers for me-second would be a pumper of some kind. Just like the independence of each.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: bantam5s on June 14, 2021, 05:30:38 PM
If they didn't exist more people would just enjoy airguns for what they are and stop looking for one than can replace a PB.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 14, 2021, 06:00:15 PM
If they didn't exist more people would just enjoy airguns for what they are and stop looking for one than can replace a PB.

I'm a PB shooter and an airgun lover from way back. Lately airguns have replaced my PBs because of the reality we are living in right now. That may change one day, but I'm still pulling triggers daily and having a blast. I own several PCPs, but I also have multiple red ryders, and more recently added a Daisy 901 and a Daisy 35 for my wife. I liked her 35 so much I just ordered one for myself too.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: mobilehomer on June 14, 2021, 06:50:40 PM
Truth is, if PCPs never existed, there is a good chance neither would any other air gun. PCPs have been around since around 1580. The others from the 1800s.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Firewalker on June 14, 2021, 07:19:56 PM
Truth is, if PCPs never existed, there is a good chance neither would any other air gun. PCPs have been around since around 1580. The others from the 1800s.

Well said!  8)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: PasadenaMike on June 14, 2021, 10:44:21 PM
Truth is, if PCPs never existed, there is a good chance neither would any other air gun. PCPs have been around since around 1580. The others from the 1800s.

Well said!  8)

Good point :) shut down the thread . I’m joking this is fun let’s keep it going !!
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: bantam5s on June 15, 2021, 06:47:37 PM
If they didn't exist more people would just enjoy airguns for what they are and stop looking for one than can replace a PB.
I'm a PB shooter and an airgun lover from way back. Lately airguns have replaced my PBs because of the reality we are living in right now. That may change one day, but I'm still pulling triggers daily and having a blast. I own several PCPs, but I also have multiple red ryders, and more recently added a Daisy 901 and a Daisy 35 for my wife. I liked her 35 so much I just ordered one for myself too.
I get that.
What I'm talking about is people who don't really know or care much about airguns, and just want the most powerful thing they can get without a license.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: EdinGa on June 15, 2021, 07:25:08 PM
If they didn't exist more people would just enjoy airguns for what they are and stop looking for one than can replace a PB.
I'm a PB shooter and an airgun lover from way back. Lately airguns have replaced my PBs because of the reality we are living in right now. That may change one day, but I'm still pulling triggers daily and having a blast. I own several PCPs, but I also have multiple red ryders, and more recently added a Daisy 901 and a Daisy 35 for my wife. I liked her 35 so much I just ordered one for myself too.
I get that.
What I'm talking about is people who don't really know or care much about airguns, and just want the most powerful thing they can get without a license.

I understood what you meant. I was just throwing in my 2 cents where it wasn't needed.  ;D  There was a time in my early airgun days that I was power hungry too. Now I spend my time trying to download PBs to airgun velocities.  ;)
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: avator on June 15, 2021, 07:33:09 PM
There actually was a time when PCPs didn't exist for me... about 5 years ago... lol
I just shot other stuff...
But now they do exist. And I shoot them... and I also shoot other stuff.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: 35 shooter on June 16, 2021, 03:55:14 AM
Don’t own a pcp yet, but any way I can get air into an airgun and shoot a pellet or slug out of the bbl. is cool with me.... I love them all, but pumpers wil always be my favorite airguns. 8) :D
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Firewalker on June 16, 2021, 10:06:02 AM
If they didn't exist more people would just enjoy airguns for what they are and stop looking for one than can replace a PB.

Why should a person be exclusive in their preferences? My AG's definitely are replacing my PB's, I would not be on this forum if powder and primers had not dried up.

Shooting is shooting in my mind, the tool is irrelevant to that end. Now that I am invested heavily in AG's, I will be shooting them in place of PB regularly even if primers and powder drop in price to less than pre-C19 levels.

Exclusivity smacks of snobbery and caste system class in my mind.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Booder98 on June 16, 2021, 11:21:32 AM
Truth is, if PCPs never existed, there is a good chance neither would any other air gun. PCPs have been around since around 1580. The others from the 1800s.
You could go all alternate history and get to PCPs from spring-driven (not springers) projectiles.  Springs => springers => PCP.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Whitediesel on July 19, 2021, 12:04:32 PM
My vote would go to my 50 yr old Sheridan, hasn’t ever not performed close 2nd would be springers and then pcp ,co2
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: Thebloodyhound90 on July 19, 2021, 12:25:58 PM
I’d probably get that Diana with the recoil buffer system. I picture the recoil system on a howitzer in mini, tucked inside a wooden stock lol. If it actually works and you get a high quality Diana springer without springer recoil, then that’s the way to go.
Title: Re: If pcps didn’t exist
Post by: LostinTexas on July 20, 2021, 01:19:59 AM
It would be interesting in 50 or 60 years to see what, if any, PCP gun stands the test of time.
I ain't gonna be around to see it anyhow...  :o
How about 340(ish) years? Still ahead of our time and produced over 300 years ago. I really want one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle 
Twenty two 46 caliber shots. That is brutal.
If none ever existed, then break barrel is my immediate choice.