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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2021, 07:55:12 AM »
Was looking for a decent Crosman 180 2nd variant on the bay. When I find one, the asking price is just way out of line. Just gave up looking for one.
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2021, 09:20:59 AM »
I dearly love Crosman Model 1 rifles, and buy them when I can.
But...........
Looks like I'm gonna have to let this one slide:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-CROSMAN-MODEL-1-NOS-VERY-RARE-MINT-in-box-with-papers-22-Air-Rifle/324523577055?hash=item4b8f1ccedf:g:HzsAAOSwdvZgUCCQ
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2021, 06:39:59 PM »
How about this 127D

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FWB-Feinwerkbau-Sport-127-Sport-Pellet-Rifle/203301967500?hash=item2f55bdd68c:g:XecAAOSwefBgSV5Y&redirect=mobile

Good grief... The thing doesn't even have its factory rear sight. That ought to be at least a 10% ding according to the Blue Book (not that that means anything these days).

That peep will make up for no rear sight. But still !! 127's are harder to find.
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2021, 07:05:12 PM »
Deals do occur on Ebay but they are almost always newly listed BIN. They often go within minutes of listing, maybe less, so most folks are never aware the listing existed at all. Snooze and lose or roll the dice and hit the button.
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2021, 07:26:17 PM »
Yup! ^^^^what he said^^^^
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2021, 12:32:14 AM »
The market always dictates price, just depends if it is a buyers or sellers market and Ebay is no different. However, it has been all over the place in the collectibles category and airgun listings this past year, more so than ever before, well maybe it equals the Beanie Baby craze of the late 90’s.

Currently there is a .177 caliber BSF 55N imported under the Wischo label that has already exceeded what I paid for my .177 55N in a private sale early this year and mine has the hood for front sight, rear sight is complete, stock is in great shape - no dents, scratches or cracks, all screws are original as well as the internal parts and the blueing still looks appealing overall there is very little rust as well.

A .177 BSF 55N with the same importer sold for $265.00 on the GB site, it was in very nice condition but had the leather piston and breech seals updated and new spring. Bluing was nice and stock looked great only problem was two old cracks in the stock around the pistol grip area (looked like they were repaired, but were visible). It did have both front (not original) and rear sight. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/890858413

The 55N on Ebay is missing the hood for the front sight and top half of rear sight, the SILE stock is in decent but rough shape, on a good note there do not appear to be any cracks. It does have after market screw in the trigger guard area and is missing the lock screw for the barrel pivot bolt. There is visible rust as well. However, on a good note the barrel is protected since it appears to have one of the accessory items discussed in issue #17 of the Air Rifle Monthly printed in 1969 this item is the “Fanta Plastic Barrel Sleeve” page 23 discusses the installation of this item. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-BSF-Model-55N-WISCHO-KG-Erlangen-Germany-Air-Rifle-Works-Great/313449900547?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I am not a grader of guns and I don’t use bluebook for value, what I do is educate myself watch trends and decide what it is worth to me and negotiate a fair deal. I will admit I wanted to bid on both the auction rifles, and almost did on the Ebay listing when it was at $99.00 but won’t now because of current price and I found something I wanted more. I must also admit I am happy to see this seller getting the most out of a rare rifle which by the way was one of the rifle model that initiated the “Magnum Air Rifle Race”.
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Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2021, 01:34:05 AM »
Wow, that is a sweet pick up. I love the early magnum rifles. Something about the competition in the '70s to come out with the quickest shooting air gun is the stuff of lore.
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2021, 02:49:13 AM »
McNally M,

I actually found myself gravitating to the lower powered springers, but also the old historical early “Magnum Air Rifles” due to this I have 3 of the 4 legends (Feinwerkbau 124 Sport Deluxe; Diana Model 45 (Beeman label 250); and the B.S.F/Wischo Model 55N) the only one missing and I will get one one day is the Weihrauch HW35E. However, I have two versions of the child they spawned the venerable Beeman R1 (.177 & .20).

If it were not for these early magnums there would not have been a soon to be American Made Super Magnum legend known as the Sig Sauer ASP20, my 15 year old soon lucked into one yesterday at a local farm and ranch supply store and it was the hard to find .22 caliber version.
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Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Early
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.22 Rochester from DT Fletcher Collection

Offline RedFeather

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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2021, 02:53:59 PM »
I chatted with an Ebay rep yesterday to see if I could find out why the site won't let me bid from my Virginia I.P. address, telling me it violates their firearms policy. The best he could figure is the seller might have selected "world wide shipping". How that trips their screening beats me. I've been tempted to place a low bid on what I know will close high just to see if it goes through. But prices seem to be still high so that's in the 'round to it file for the time being. What I can't understand is why some of the guns are asking and receiving such high bids. I don't see that on the primarily gun auction sites. Makes me wonder if sometimes shills are involved.

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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2021, 04:32:14 PM »
I chatted with an Ebay rep yesterday to see if I could find out why the site won't let me bid from my Virginia I.P. address, telling me it violates their firearms policy. The best he could figure is the seller might have selected "world wide shipping". How that trips their screening beats me. I've been tempted to place a low bid on what I know will close high just to see if it goes through. But prices seem to be still high so that's in the 'round to it file for the time being. What I can't understand is why some of the guns are asking and receiving such high bids. I don't see that on the primarily gun auction sites. Makes me wonder if sometimes shills are involved.

Take a look at the bids placed.............many are from bidders with 0 or very low feedbacks.
That has always smelled fishy to me.......
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2021, 11:55:51 PM »
Sellers on ebay wouldn't pad their prices, would they?
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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2021, 12:11:38 AM »
I see the Ebay listed BSF/Wischo sold for $261.00 + $20.00 for shipping. Just on condition I thought it was worth between $125 - $150, to someone looking for a vintage shooter or a vintage airgun collector. After this I believe like others have stated, private sales, the forum classifieds and auction sites specific to guns are more realistic when it come to pricing and bidding. Conclusion - Ebay prices are what they are because a large number of shoppers use it as thier go to site. Yes I see a deal every once in a while. However, I restrict myself to only go after the good deals that have the Buy It Now option, or make an offer; and on the very rare occasion I place a bid for exactly the highest amount I am willing to purchase and let it ride, if I win I win, if I loose oh well - give it time someone will eventually list one for the next opportunity.

I won’t do it as none of my rifles are for sale, but this one makes me wonder just how much a complete 55N in really good condition like mine would have gone for - Ebay will never know! Lol
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Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #52 on: March 18, 2021, 12:22:17 AM »
Stubshaft,

Would they?, I have wondered that very same thing and believe they do. Just look at items that have free shipping then look at the same item listed that has a shipping charge, when added up the free shipping one may be slightly higher or lower the the one listed with a shipping charge.

To me the free shipping listings are look at me, no hassle, no fuss attractant for some, but either way the buyer will always pay shipping.
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Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Early
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.22 Rochester from DT Fletcher Collection

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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #53 on: March 18, 2021, 01:21:20 AM »
Complaining about how much $ other people list THEIR stuff? Is this a nightmare? Did I sleep on a free Capitalist country and woke up in commyfornia?
If you don't Iike the price people MOVE on and don't buy it nobody is forcing you
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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #54 on: March 18, 2021, 01:48:51 AM »
El Greco,

I don’t feel people are complaining here, I think it is more amazement or shock at what is going on, well at least for me it is. I saw your listings never said a word, but wished all parties luck.

What people missed on your listing was it was a combo. The Sig ASP20 my son got before  discount would have come close to your listing. My sons ASP20 - $399.00 + my Hawke Airmax Scope $250.00 = $649.00 since it was bought locally no shipping cost and No Sales Tax in the Great State of Montana.

Therefore, no problem here with your former listings and like you said we live in America, and being born and raised in our country the rights, privileges and freedoms we all enjoy sometimes cause problems such as expressing opinions especially in a Capitalist economy but as you know in America it happens all the time because we are not a communist society in those countries they basically live out the expression “you get what you get so don’t throw a fit and if you do you will lose that too”- just roll with it or as we say in Montana when things don’t go your way - “Time to Cowboy Up”
« Last Edit: March 18, 2021, 02:16:01 AM by c801tfd »
  • Montana, USA
Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Early
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Late
.22 Rochester from DT Fletcher Collection

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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2021, 12:52:30 PM »
Regarding Ebay as a go to for many people, I think that is, indeed, the case. They obviously are not comparison shoppers, more akin to the little old lady who pays full sticker price for her new car. As to the old "if you don't like the price, don't complain", well, we all have the right to point out patently ridiculous prices. And it is frustrating to see a desirable gun listed for twice what one could buy it for on the classifieds.

Shipping has always been a shady area to me. I've seen some listings where it seems the seller is trying to make up the difference on that end. That seems to occur with all online sales, firearms included. Some charge enough to ship a baby elephant.

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« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2021, 12:09:15 AM »
El Greco,

I don’t feel people are complaining here, I think it is more amazement or shock at what is going on, well at least for me it is. I saw your listings never said a word, but wished all parties luck.

What people missed on your listing was it was a combo. The Sig ASP20 my son got before  discount would have come close to your listing. My sons ASP20 - $399.00 + my Hawke Airmax Scope $250.00 = $649.00 since it was bought locally no shipping cost and No Sales Tax in the Great State of Montana.

Therefore, no problem here with your former listings and like you said we live in America, and being born and raised in our country the rights, privileges and freedoms we all enjoy sometimes cause problems such as expressing opinions especially in a Capitalist economy but as you know in America it happens all the time because we are not a communist society in those countries they basically live out the expression “you get what you get so don’t throw a fit and if you do you will lose that too”- just roll with it or as we say in Montana when things don’t go your way - “Time to Cowboy Up”

What you missed is that I got angry messages right and left and that the .22 rifle with the beech stock was $489 before taxes for ages up to the point where a few places were left with a couple in stock and were getting rid of them for close to $400.
The combo scope was the NEW series of compact Airmax which again was close to $400 till recently PA listed it for $330 without metal flip cap or the honeycomb sunshade. Shipping is through the roof lately so when I asked for around $850 people made me feel like I was steeling candy from kids.
I have never received messages complaining about the price or straight up name calling till I listed those two rifles. Why? Because people felt that because they were "used" they shouldn't have to pay more than $250.
I will NEVER list them again and as far as the  complainers here  and other forums I want to see the next time that an almost new wood stock ASP 22  with a nice scope becomes available how much it goes for.
. Good luck finding one. I mean it ironically
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« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2021, 02:39:13 AM »
I didn’t miss it I saw all your early posts about the complainers and thier comments. Heck someone else sold one for a little more than you listed and I was shocked when I saw that listing and amazed and dumb founded when I saw an actual bid. So when I saw your listings I just thought oh well and didn’t give it another thought.

Mind you that listing and your listing occurred well before official confirmation that the ASP20 was discontinued. Which made the price seem wild at the time.

However, now that it has gone the way of the dinosaur your asking price may be what someone who does not have one would be willing to pay, much like they do for the FWB 127 Sport Deluxe when they come up. As for shipping it is all over the place so I have no input on that subject, due to recent battles with USPS regarding the cost of 3-day priority mail that I paid for taking over a month to arrive at my house.

As for wanting one, not here as my youngest son got his (he got lucky) and My oldest son and I have no desire to buy another “Super Magnum”  as we call the ASP20. We are more into the vintage magnums and old vintage rifles.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2021, 02:48:37 AM by c801tfd »
  • Montana, USA
Springers:
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78)
.177 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport  Deluxe (82/83)
.177 Beeman R7 Santa Rosa
.177 Weihrauch HW55 MM
.177 Bavaria/Wischo (B.S.F.) Model 55N
.177 Bavaria (B.S.F.) Model 35
.177 Marksman Model 70
.177 Chinese B3-1 Underlever
.20 Beeman R1 Santa Rosa
.22 Winchester Model 427 (Diana Model 27)
.22 Diana/RWS Model 35
.22 Diana/RWS Model 34 T06
.22 Ruger Impact Max Elite

Co2:
.177 Crosman Model 113 Bulk Fill 1950-1955
Crosman  Trapmaster 1100 –

 Pumpers:
.20 Sheridan Model C "Silver Streak" No S/N (53 or 54)
.20 Sheridan Model C "Blue Streak" No S/N (52or 53)
.22 Crosman 101 – 1947
.22 Crosman 101 – 1927/29 Disc Logo
.22 Crosman 101 - 1924/25 Straight Logo
.22 Crosman 102 - 1929/30 Hand Checkered Stock
.22 Benjamin 312 1940's
.22 Benjamin 312 1950's
.22 Benjamin 312 1956
.22 Benjamin 392S
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Early
.22 Smith & Wesson Model 77A Late
.22 Rochester from DT Fletcher Collection

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Re: Ebay Prices
« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2021, 04:03:20 PM »
Somebody got a steal on this one!  ::)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Crosman-Repeatair-2210-22-Caliber-CO2-pellet-Air-Pistol-Gun-with-Daisy-Pellets-/254894859854?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

What in the world...? Is the 2100 a particularly collectable air gun? Or I am just missing something here.
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