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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2021, 04:39:56 PM »
  No surprise that the Benjamin gets a lot of votes as second to the Sheridan.  The Sheridan Streaks are, after all, refined copies of the Benjamin 317/312.

   I also don't much care for any of the two-piece, die-cast receiver guns, starting with the 760.  Alright for their low-cost niche I suppose, but nowhere near the quality of the older wood and steel (or brass) guns.

Fighting words if I ever read them!  Lol. 

If you add in availability as one of the things that matters most, then special guns like the Kessler and 108 get bumped down some.  What does it matter if you'll never have it to enjoy?

I love my Streak, my early Crosman 760's and pretty much all of the rest of them.  (Except for the Quest 1000X.  That thang is just terrible.  Horrible trigger and way too much drama to shoot.)

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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2021, 07:36:03 PM »
I have a Rochester (Former Owner DT Fletcher), Dont have a Kessler, would like to find ne that is in good working order. Both of these models are not an easy reseal like thier cousins made by Crosman, it can be done but again not easy.

I have Crosman 101's and a 102 and would like to say the Crosman 108 in outward appearance looks like a Kessler which looks like a Crosman 140 or 1400 so I think any of the them make a good choice for second behind the Sheridan.

As for my second choise I like the Smith and Wesson Model 77A classic look and another air rifle that as legend goes was designed by former Crosman employees for the then newly created S&W Air Rifle Division.   
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2021, 08:52:51 PM »
In the beginning Sheridan was the gold standard but after its Supergrades were too expensive for the American market they didn’t innovate, they copied the successful Benjamin rifle? The valving system is an exact copy.  They copied the soldering of the barrel on the tube.  Something Crosman I think wisely never did.  Yes the quality of manufacturing was excellent but the rifle was basically a dressed up copy.  Not sure I would call that the Gold Standard?
I think they were still the gold standard.

When Crosman introduced the 760 they pretty much became all about inexpensive youth guns, and while Benjamin guns were great it took them awhile to introduce a more substantial feeling more adult friendly gun.

I believe Sheridan showed Benjamin that a more adult friendly size was a good idea, I love the guns as they were but the 14x definitely feels more solid.
If Sheridan didn't exist Benjamin rifles would have stayed pretty small.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2021, 11:57:25 PM »
This could get UGLY!


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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2021, 09:03:53 AM »
this is why we need these debates. they help us prioritize our desires & wants … turn them into “NEEDs” … that fuel our addiction & provide a measure of purpose and satisfaction.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2021, 12:10:10 PM »
  The S & W 77a rifles are nice, but like some of the others, you don't see them very often. I have only one, now. You had to pump them 12+ times to get the fps of 8 pumps on a Sheridan, too.

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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2021, 05:33:24 PM »
The 77A is like my ex; looks great but there's too much going on and it's not worth the effort! The discussion made me wonder what exactly is going on with Crosman and the Sheridan name? After they discontinued the .20 pump guns they came out with that "Superstreak" springer, then the lever action bb gun, and now the reissued steel breech Sheridan 2260. Fade to oblivion I suppose. Sad
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2021, 12:58:22 PM »
The 77A is like my ex; looks great but there's too much going on and it's not worth the effort! The discussion made me wonder what exactly is going on with Crosman and the Sheridan name? After they discontinued the .20 pump guns they came out with that "Superstreak" springer, then the lever action bb gun, and now the reissued steel breech Sheridan 2260. Fade to oblivion I suppose. Sad
Don't forget a co2 replica of the Remington new model, and the fact that the .20 Cal ammo is being sold under the Benjamin name for some strange reason.

What's gon is the folks at Crosman are morons.
They don't know to let the once great Sheridan name die a peaceful death.


If they're not going to make a brass and walnut pumper in .20 caliber they have no business owning the Sheridan name and should let it die in peace or sell it to someone who will do right by it.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2021, 02:17:23 PM »
Crosman is too busy “ re-naming “ the same air rifles over & over.
They know that the name “ Sheridan “ will help them sell some air rifles due to its “ historical “ name & reputation.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2021, 05:11:55 PM »
     For a bit I was hoping Crosman would reserve the Sheridan name for a line of top quality products; gorgeous walnut stocks, Rekord quality triggers, Air Arms quality blueing, etc.. But that isn't what Crosman is about. They aren't capable of it and are more concerned about the airgunners of Wally World.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2021, 07:36:02 AM »
  The 392 should carry the Sheridan label, it is a direct descendent.  (Not a crummy little kid's BB gun.)   The last of their kind, it will be a shame to see them go.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2021, 10:51:02 AM »
Crosman 101 does it for me.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2021, 12:23:13 PM »
  The 392 should carry the Sheridan label, it is a direct descendent.  (Not a crummy little kid's BB gun.)   The last of their kind, it will be a shame to see them go.
Not a .22, especially not the current thing with black synthetic stock.

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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2021, 07:43:51 AM »
  I don't have any experience with a Crosman 101 , but they do look pretty nice !

 https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/12/crosman-101-multi-pump-pneumatic/
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2021, 07:46:33 AM »
I consider the 101 as the poor man's SuperGrade....  ;)
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2021, 07:49:19 AM »
   Just a few years ago, you could find those on sale pretty often. I haven't seen one in awhile. Wonder how many were made ?
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2021, 07:55:03 AM »
I got both of mine for around $100 each some time back.. can't remember exactly.
Sent one to Longhunter for a repaint and refresh and did thee other one myself.
Mine are the '37 - '41 vintage as far as I know. They are among the last guns I would ever let go.
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2021, 07:59:09 AM »
I picked up a Project 101 to rebuild and help keep my (little) sanity this winter.
 I was surprised at the size of it.
Look and feel of a full sized rifle. It is clear they were not a "toy".
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Re: The fight for 2nd place
« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2021, 01:45:02 PM »
I picked up a Project 101 to rebuild and help keep my (little) sanity this winter.
 I was surprised at the size of it.
Look and feel of a full sized rifle. It is clear they were not a "toy".

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