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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2021, 07:27:22 PM »
What's this?
Are you saying that we don't need to completely rebuild one before we can have fun with it?  😁


Also, how would you compare the trigger to a Hatsan Edge?  The Edge is the cheap springer that I compare all others to.  Boy I wish they'd use a better trigger blade though!
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2021, 10:02:21 PM »
IMO the Edge has a slightly better trigger.  Especially if you do a little tuning to the Edge trigger.  The grub screw trick on the Daisy is harder to fine tune but it will produce a decent trigger pull.  The big issue with mine is the uncomfortable shot cycle.  Im thinking about cutting a coil or two off the spring to tame the recoil. 
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2021, 12:23:02 AM »
What's this?
Are you saying that we don't need to completely rebuild one before we can have fun with it?  😁


Also, how would you compare the trigger to a Hatsan Edge?  The Edge is the cheap springer that I compare all others to.  Boy I wish they'd use a better trigger blade though!

3 stock screws, pop the 1 pin holding that blade in, 20-30 minutes to straighten it how you want and maybe put a piece of heat shrink over it and presto, no more overcurved trigger blade...lol
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2021, 08:47:38 AM »
Add the RC roller bearing mod.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2021, 09:18:40 AM »

3 stock screws, pop the 1 pin holding that blade in, 20-30 minutes to straighten it how you want and maybe put a piece of heat shrink over it and presto, no more overcurved trigger blade...lol

Well, if I don't have to take the whole trigger assembly apart, I might even try straightening one.  Thanks!
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2021, 05:11:12 PM »
Well, mine arrived this afternoon and it's better than expected.

The good:
  -  General machining is fine.  Much better than I expected actually
          The fork joint seems machined true, and with minimal clearance.
          Breech chamfer & muzzle crown appear to be aligned with the bore.
          Chisel rides evenly against its mating boss.
          Lockup is quite solid.
          The dovetail groove appears to have been machined in alignment with the compression tube.
          The gun is accurate.
  -  Sights are fine. Plastic, but they don't have any play in them and respond to adjustment in a reliable fashion.
  -  Safety is resettable.
  -  I find it easy to cock.
  -  it appears to make good power.  It will be interesting to chrony.
  -  much lighter than I expected.  Don't have a kitchen scale, but the box says 6.6lbs and I dont think its too far off.

The bad:
  -  the trigger is long and rough.  Basiacally a yank-fest.
  -  breech seal is flush with the pivot block.
  -  the crown may be on point, but the bore seems to have drifted a bit in relation to the center axis of the barrel.
  -  there is some soft crunching going on with the cocking stroke.  Not much really, but its there.

That said, after goofing around a little I did drop a crappy old Center Point 4x "package" scope onto it and gave it an honest try (9 yds) with some Hobby's which fit the bore pretty well.  I pulled the second shot low while trying to stage the trigger, but 1, 3, 4 & 5 had no human error to speak of.

So I'm surprisingly happy with it.  It would definitely be a good gun to tinker with.


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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2021, 06:21:54 PM »
I have the 1100 Win. with the wood stock. Good gun. It's a little heavy. I got it refurb a few years ago from Amazon or Ebay for $84 if I remember right. Got a cheap no name 3-9x40 scope with the range finder reticle mounted with low rings. Way back I bought six of those scopes on sale for $15 each.

I did the trigger mod. It helped a little. Trigger pull is about 4-4.5 lbs. Short first stage, breaks clean and predictable. It's a keeper.

I have the Hatsan made Win. 1000 and 800. Got them at pawn shops. They are the same gun except the 800 has a little less spring. Stocks are interchangeable. I ordered the longer 1000 stock from Daisy to replace the shorter ugly 800 stock. Trigger assembly is similar to the 1100 but different. I wouldn't take either trigger apart. 1000/800 stock will not fit the 1100.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2021, 07:03:18 PM »
Well, mine arrived this afternoon and it's better than expected.

The good:
  -  General machining is fine.  Much better than I expected actually
          The fork joint seems machined true, and with minimal clearance.
          Breech chamfer & muzzle crown appear to be aligned with the bore.
          Chisel rides evenly against its mating boss.
          Lockup is quite solid.
          The dovetail groove appears to have been machined in alignment with the compression tube.
          The gun is accurate.
  -  Sights are fine. Plastic, but they don't have any play in them and respond to adjustment in a reliable fashion.
  -  Safety is resettable.
  -  I find it easy to cock.
  -  it appears to make good power.  It will be interesting to chrony.
  -  much lighter than I expected.  Don't have a kitchen scale, but the box says 6.6lbs and I dont think its too far off.

The bad:
  -  the trigger is long and rough.  Basiacally a yank-fest.
  -  breech seal is flush with the pivot block.
  -  the crown may be on point, but the bore seems to have drifted a bit in relation to the center axis of the barrel.
  -  there is some soft crunching going on with the cocking stroke.  Not much really, but its there.

That said, after goofing around a little I did drop a crappy old Center Point 4x "package" scope onto it and gave it an honest try (9 yds) with some Hobby's which fit the bore pretty well.  I pulled the second shot low while trying to stage the trigger, but 1, 3, 4 & 5 had no human error to speak of.

So I'm surprisingly happy with it.  It would definitely be a good gun to tinker with.

$40 is definitely a good price for a springer if you can make it shoot well enough.

How loud is it?
How hard is it to open it up and lube it (have experience with other springers) ?

The Hatsan Edge .22 is usually available for $60.
Can anybody compare the Hatsan Edge and the Winchester/Daisy 1100?
Is the Hatsan trigger better?
« Last Edit: November 14, 2021, 07:06:20 PM by johnbrown »
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2021, 07:35:16 PM »
This thread got me to pull my Winnie 1100s out of the closet, tighten the barrel pivot screw, and polish the crown.  After 25 pellets had lapped the crown in the groups began to tighten up and by about 50 it was grouping 1/2 at 20 yards with 7.4gr Crosman pointed pellets.

It is louder than my Hatsan 125 but not my Crosman 1400s.  Yeah, its loud.
I havent torn into it but it looks like a Hatsan with the two pins securing the end cap.  Should be pretty straight forward.  IMO the Striker/Edge is a better gun.  Whether the trigger is better is a matter of opinion.  My Striker has a pretty good trigger after just a little fiddling.  The grub screw mod for the Daisy is harder to fine tune and IMO does not produce as good a trigger as the Hatsan. 
On the plus side the over all finish and the bluing is better than either of my Mod 125s. The bluing on the Hatsans gets pretty shabby in places.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2021, 07:43:50 PM »
I've never opened up a springer, so I can't speak to that.
I do have a few Edge's though, and the triggers are better although I hate the hook shape of the Edge blade.
I'm hoping that the 1100 trigger can be helped a little.  It isn't terribly heavy but it's very long and couldn't be called crisp at all.  I hardly expexted a Rekord, but it's the only real issue the rifle has. 
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2021, 10:59:01 AM »
I've never opened up a springer, so I can't speak to that.
I do have a few Edge's though, and the triggers are better although I hate the hook shape of the Edge blade.
I'm hoping that the 1100 trigger can be helped a little.  It isn't terribly heavy but it's very long and couldn't be called crisp at all.  I hardly expexted a Rekord, but it's the only real issue the rifle has. 
I am contemplating putting a dab of JB Weld on the trigger blade the way some folks do with the Striker trigger to shorten the first stage.  The grub screw does help with the pull weight and the second stage.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2021, 01:37:35 PM »
Anything that pushes the spring behind that trigger blade off of it will shorten that longggg "first" stage.

I've used JB WELD, layers of duct tape of all things, just bending it backwards can help, there's a way to drill for a set screw in the blade itself to push
that spring off. If you have lighter wire, you can try that too. mikeyb sent me some for winding my own softer springs for the Edge/Striker/1000
trigger blades.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2021, 05:11:31 PM »
I think if you look close you'll see the triggers are different and the stocks are not interchangeable. The 1100 front stock screw go in at an angle. The 1000 stock screws go in 90 degrees or straight in. The cocking linkage look similar but the way the attach to the barrel block is different. The safety lever and end cap look similar but are different. Trigger guard is different.

They made the 1000 in Brazil for a while between Turkey and China. I've never seen one up close. I'd like to have one since I have the Hatsan made 1000 and the 1100.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2021, 06:18:52 PM »
This is my Winchester 1100s.  There are many like it but this one is mine.

I chopped 2.5 off the barrel and 4 off the forearm.  The pickle is fake.  Its just a cocking handle made from PVC sprayed with truck bed liner. 
I put about one hundred Crosman pointed pellets through it today.  It will never be a tack driver but I was getting half inch groups on paper at 20 yards and nailing the little 1.5 spinners so I backed it up to thirty yards and shot my chi-com resetting target.  I was averaging seven shots to get all four spinners and the reset target.  Lets call it plinking accurate at thirty yards

Now If I could find a good quality pellet that it liked. . . . 
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2021, 08:30:54 PM »
I like it. Ruger scope. Economy shooter. I cut the front 3" off  an RS2 dual cal. stock so the scout scopes I mounted on the barrel would clear when cocking and sanded and painted it with P/U bed liner.

My go to pellets for accuracy are RWS Meisterkugeln and R-10 Match wadcutters.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2021, 10:02:47 AM »
I think if you look close you'll see the triggers are different and the stocks are not interchangeable. The 1100 front stock screw go in at an angle. The 1000 stock screws go in 90 degrees or straight in. The cocking linkage look similar but the way the attach to the barrel block is different. The safety lever and end cap look similar but are different. Trigger guard is different.

They made the 1000 in Brazil for a while between Turkey and China. I've never seen one up close. I'd like to have one since I have the Hatsan made 1000 and the 1100.

I have a couple of the Winchester 800s. One From Brazil and one from Turkey. The one from Brazil is the older of the pair. Both bought from K-Mart years ago.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2021, 04:00:41 PM »
  Yep, bit on this one again. $39 is a great price.  Got one coming next week.   ( try and keep her this time!)   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2021, 04:02:55 PM »
This is my Winchester 1100s.  There are many like it but this one is mine.

I chopped 2.5 off the barrel and 4 off the forearm.  The pickle is fake.  Its just a cocking handle made from PVC sprayed with truck bed liner. 
I put about one hundred Crosman pointed pellets through it today.  It will never be a tack driver but I was getting half inch groups on paper at 20 yards and nailing the little 1.5 spinners so I backed it up to thirty yards and shot my chi-com resetting target.  I was averaging seven shots to get all four spinners and the reset target.  Lets call it plinking accurate at thirty yards

Now If I could find a good quality pellet that it liked. . . .

Last one I had liked the 10.5 Crosmans domes. 
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2021, 05:22:38 PM »
Shows as OOS at Walmart website after selecting add to cart.  None available at 4 or so zip codes I entered within 120 miles of my home. 
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2021, 05:41:57 PM »
Mine was shooting Hobby's awfully well at 9 yards.
You know, long range.....  😁
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