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Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« on: November 11, 2021, 01:23:10 PM »
Pretty interesting deal for anyone looking for an inexpensive rifle. 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester-177-Caliber-Pellet-Spring-Piston-Break-Barrel-1100S-Air-Rifle/802585340

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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2021, 01:57:50 PM »
I picked up a couple at $29 from a local Walmart about 2 years ago. They sold them online for that clearance price also, but none of the Walmarts in this part of western NY will ship anything airgun related to my area.

Amazon ALSO clearanced their stock of same air rifle for $29 around the same time, so keep watching for more possible price drops from Walmart AND other sources.

Basic springer that can shoot quite well but it really needs a good trigger tune-up. You might get a good one the shoots great right out of the box? IMO it's not the best choice for folks who can't or don't want to open up their air rifles for repairs or modifications. EXCELLENT cheap project air rifle for those that like to tinker.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2021, 02:05:56 PM »
Thanks Mikey. 

I don't know the guns, but that's pretty much what I was thinking - good for someone wanting a cheap .177 tool, or good for a tinkerer, but not so good for youngsters (size & weight).

I assume the triggers are somewhat less than Rekord level.  ha ha
And I assume that they are "crunchy" and loaded with lube.

But if they shoot decently after a basic cleanup, well, you've got yourself a rifle....
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2021, 08:59:59 PM »
Has anyone done a detune or soft tune on this gun to make it 10-12 ftlbs?

I guess compression tube length could determine whether or not it's a good candidate. If it has a shorter tube like the D48/52 guns, then it could be worth it. If it has a long tube like the D350, then probably not. I don't need this rifle, but for $40, if it had good potential to shoot well after shortening the spring (say, in the 800fps range?), it'd be hard to say no.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2021, 09:26:21 PM »
Stephen, my guess is that it does 800 as-is.

The 1100 claim is probably more like 950/1000 with alloy pellets, so I'll hazard 800 with a decent weight pellet like an 8.2 or 8.4...

Again, I'm just shooting from the hip.  Maybe someone here has actual numbers.
(Cough, cough, Mikeyb, cough.....)

I'd be curious to know.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2021, 09:41:15 PM »
i've never tried tuning a break barrel, but for this price it would make a good rifle to learn on. 


if i don't mess it up and it shoots good, it would be a nice rifle to leave in the garage corner for those times when you watn/need toshot something, and living in a humid enviroment prevents you from keeping a nice gun in the garage.


it would also make a good boat gun.  again, if it shoots accurately enough.


i just read what i typed and it sounds like i'm trying to convince myself to buy one.  :o ;)
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2021, 09:58:37 PM »
Well, it costs me around $80 to fill up my truck these days, so to me its equivalent to half a tank. 
I bought one just to give it a try.  After all, it has sights so no need to spend any scope/mount money on it.
I'm curious to see if its in the Hatsan Edge neighborhood for build quality/accuracy.
Customer reviews are fairly positive.  Could be nice cheap fun.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2021, 11:48:33 PM »
Thanks for the reply Brian. Very intrigued. And as Carl says, at this price, you can make it a garage/truck/boat gun and not sweat the scuffs.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2021, 01:19:28 AM »
I suggest reading at least this thread

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152549.msg155677057#msg155677057

for anyone interested in this rifle.

If you do get one and want to do a trigger mod, the info posted by bhh (and others) is excellent.

I posted my trigger mod version here

https://michaeljbernard.wordpress.com/2019/08/04/2019_08_04_daisy_winchester_1100s_trigger_mods/

based on THEIR (bhh and other folks) previous work mixed in with a little of my own trigger preferences.

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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2021, 05:07:40 AM »
Thanks for those links mikeyb. For those interested, the bottom of page 4 of that GTA thread has a table with chrony numbers from mikeyb. Looks like the 1100s does 900+ fps with 7.9g pellets.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2021, 07:57:09 AM »
Well, mean old Mister WalMart doesnít like my zip code, so no 1100s for me. Hopefully someone can take advantage of the offer.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2021, 08:26:55 AM »
11.4  lbs ??

It can't be THAT heavy- right?

I am interested-but not if it is THAT heavy??

Anyone have one they actually weighed?

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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2021, 09:51:07 AM »
11.4  lbs ??

It can't be THAT heavy- right?

I am interested-but not if it is THAT heavy??

Anyone have one they actually weighed?

Thanks

Charlie
It ainít light.  I have a Winchester 1100s.  Itís the same thing as the Daisy.  The gun is approximately ten lbs. without a scope.  Iíve bobbed three inches off the barrel and five inches off the forearm on mine to try to make it balance better.  Itís down to about nine pounds now.
Mine shot well and was very powerful when I first got it.  I have about 3000 pellets through it.  It has some issues right now.  Mainly a loose barrel pivot that affects accuracy but it is still very powerful for a bargain table air rifle.
There is a simple grub screw modification for the trigger that will give a modest improvement.  If you search for your rifle or the Winchester model on the forum archives there are several helpful threads.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2021, 11:42:52 AM »
Carter (Blow Pipe Sam) 

Thanks-so more like 10 lbs- heavy but not quite a pig

Power wise  how does it compare to a Diana 460?

Thanks

Charlie 

PS I am not a break barrel fan-but I do like power-DESPITE not being a hunter-I like power-and $39- $42 with tax-BARGAIN- I am cheap-so a bargain is a bargain
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2021, 11:51:50 AM »
Sounds like a deal but man, I got so many of these low end discount guns standing in corners and under beds. With shipping and packing costs as they are I just can't get rid of them. I did manage to move a few lately... I traded them for labor during our recent move.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2021, 12:39:33 PM »
Sounds like a deal but man, I got so many of these low end discount guns standing in corners and under beds. With shipping and packing costs as they are I just can't get rid of them. I did manage to move a few lately... I traded them for labor during our recent move.

Ha!

Bill & I must be cut from the same cloth.
I have a few that I don't need for sure, and the only reason I picked up one of these was to "check it out".  I'm the only airgun guy in my circles so there's really no other way for me to try stuff. 
And if it is a good, serviceable rifle I will probably gift it to my friend Ruben.  Might even end up with a 2nd airgun shooter in town. 
But probably not - he's a "powder burner"  lol.
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2021, 01:02:35 PM »
I've converted several power burner guys to "the way of the air".
The key to that is, make sure they know as much as you can teach them including pellet sources.
If not, you may not get much alone time....  :o
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2021, 01:58:30 PM »
Carter (Blow Pipe Sam) 

Thanks-so more like 10 lbs- heavy but not quite a pig

Power wise  how does it compare to a Diana 460?

Thanks

Charlie 

PS I am not a break barrel fan-but I do like power-DESPITE not being a hunter-I like power-and $39- $42 with tax-BARGAIN- I am cheap-so a bargain is a bargain
I don't know about a Diana 460 but it was pushing 7.4gr Crosman pointed pellets to over 860 fps.  I still haven't found a pellet it likes better than the Crosman pointed pellets but it really deserves a heavier pellet.  Be forewarned.  It has a lively shot cycle!
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2021, 04:43:37 PM »
Question fornthebguys that know these rifles -
Seen that a Chinese clone of an older Hatsan?
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Re: Winchester 1100S - $39 shipped
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2021, 06:45:02 PM »
Question fornthebguys that know these rifles -
Seen that a Chinese clone of an older Hatsan?

I started taking apart Hatsan's starting early 2018, although some of the new/old closeouts I've received are dated a few years earlier.
I noticed some very Hatsan-like parts in my 1100s, but also other parts (like the trigger assembly) unlike any Hatsan I've worked on.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152549.msg155699551#msg155699551

The 1100s could be close copy of an older Hatsan, but I cannot confirm that.

It is possible some Hatsan parts might fit and I suspect some Crosman parts might also fit(?). I'm fairly certain I could cross-reference one or more alternate springs (for replacement or detuning) from Vortek, but I'm not planning to alter these rifles. At this time I'm just having fun shooting them.

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