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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Yng@hrt on November 18, 2018, 12:08:50 PM
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Spent time on the net & came across some amazing work by a wood carver. I'm sure this attempt will be nothing like his but my wife said to occupy my time with something that'll keep me off eBay. :( If this doesn't do it nothing will.
First attempt at drawing the scene ended up too small, so this morning I tried it again & I think this might work. The sacrificial lamb is the Silver Streak I buffed & polished a while back so I figured why not. If I screw it up you'll be the first to know. Sometime today or tomorrow I'll transfer the scene onto the stock. Bare with me...no telling how long this will take...
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That's a cool design.
keeping off ebay.... I've started running my hare brained purchase impulses past my girlfriend before buying. She adds the voice of reason- "... it has scratches... is it a great deal?... is it rare?.... will we actually shoot it?....don't you already have one/ several of those?....maybe you should save for something nicer...." she really wants a UK walnut Longbow .22. I'm with her on that.
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Very nice design, be sure to show us how it turns out
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Very cool!
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This is the goal. Getting there remains to be seen. What I can say is the highlighting & stain tones will be a challenge given the wood he used.
There's a ton of wood that needs to be removed. Gonna look worse before it looks better...
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This is the goal. Getting there remains to be seen. What I can say is the highlighting & stain tones will be a challenge given the wood he used.
There's a ton of wood that needs to be removed. Gonna look worse before it looks better...
Your a brave man!
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When I first saw your post I thought you were going to use a woodburning pen to do the image.
I thought that would look nice, but Geez! You're going to try carving something like that second pic?!!! That's some Michelangelo-quality carving!
I wish you the best on this project and look forward to seeing how it goes.
Excellent job on the drawing, by the way!
p.s.
Where did you find that pic? Do you know who the carver is?
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I tried to find a template for the wood carvers scene but no luck. I ended up taking a photo of his work on my phone & did the best I could. The most difficult part was trying to get the correct scale & not loosing site that each figures size will diminish once 3 denominational carving starts.
I'm not sure who the artist is. I usually enter whatever I'm searching for on the browser. In this case; Gun Stock Carving Photo's; https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+stock+carving&rlz=1C1GGGE___US741US762&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjD-6Pq-d7eAhVZWX0KHc30CqkQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1075&bih=560 (https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+stock+carving&rlz=1C1GGGE___US741US762&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjD-6Pq-d7eAhVZWX0KHc30CqkQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1075&bih=560)
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Wow Marty! That is no minor task. Good luck to you, whether you need it or not.
I simply can not imagine the talent / attention to detail that would take.
Sure you don't wanna take up tying flies?
HAHAHA.
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I clicked your link and saw a lot of messed up wood ... :(
Often, LESS is better.
Look at some Kentucky Rifle sites ... Most of the carving is not deep at all.
It's well shaded, basically an optical illusion. ;)
Same with engraved firearms and powder horns.
Cheers,
Smoketown
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One minor suggestion, Mart. Have the squirrel be dead on his back. Lol
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Image transferred. I guess carbon paper went out with the dinosaurs. Found this stuff over at the sewing isle. Comes in 4 different colors. More appropriate for this application.
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Bas Relief is no easy task. May I make a suggestion to save you a lot of agony in the end. Practice on a piece of wood similar to the Dan stock. This will help with the cuts and feel of using the knives and gouges when carving the wood. Keep your tools sharp, dull tools wear out your hands and do more damage than cutting. There are plenty of tutorials on YT to help you. Good Luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ltlSI1tP68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ltlSI1tP68)
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....May I make a suggestion to save you a lot of agony in the end. Practice on a piece of wood similar to the Dan stock. .....
That's what I was thinking.
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Highlighted deepest cut.
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I was just wondering, Do you have a good set of carving tools or are you going to use a Dremel tool.
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I assumed Marty was a woodworker.
I got a nice set of carving chisel tools years ago, with the rawhide mallet, but never got past the "Soap Bar" stage.
:o
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Look up power carving fellas. There's no way I would attempt to do this with traditional wood carving tools. Unfortunately I am temporarily on hold with this project because the prewar Benji came in & there are a lot of docs & other items I need to sort out.
Stay tuned. Once the Benji is taken care of I'll be able to focus on this one.
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Oh No you don't...
Where is the update on that pre-war Benji!
;D
You got your priorities straight for sure.
Might I suggest getting a POS stock to practice on?
#or tying flies
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This 312 came with 11 docs, 106 old school targets, pellet tins, & bb cylinders I never heard of, & the gun & box... I think you'll like it. ;)
Fly tying? Booooring.
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Don’t know if I can watch...😳
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This 312 came with 11 docs, 106 old school targets, pellet tins, & bb cylinders I never heard of, & the gun & box... I think you'll like it. ;)
Fly tying? Booooring.
Fly tying is relaxing to do. I have been doing it for 38 years. I enjoy tying and then trying the flies out on the water, to me that's the best part. I do freshwater and saltwater. Warning! It can be just as addictive as air gunning.
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Good for you Marty!
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I've tried tying flies but dang Fellas, its had to get all their little legs together to hog tie the Little Buggers!!!! LOL :D
I'm an avid woodworker, but carving takes a special type of person!! I've tried my hand at it and it's mucho worky!! I made a cross and under it i carved " I have Risen" gave it to my Sister for Easter. That was the hardest part of the whole project.
Best of Luck Brother Man
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is this the where you got the pattern ?
http://www.worldofwoodforum.com/vb/showthread.php?10143-WIP-gunstock-carving (http://www.worldofwoodforum.com/vb/showthread.php?10143-WIP-gunstock-carvinggood)
good info
(http://www.worldofwoodforum.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=22670&d=1456718513)
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^^^Yes. I researched well in advance. Been thinking about this for quite some time. I found his finished pic first & then found the thread you pasted on your response. I've had it saved for quite sometime to use as reference. I free handed his scene. Seemed like a nutter would be the most appropriate for an air gun.
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First pass of background parameter complete. Tomorrow I'll tackle the squirrel & go deeper on the background cut. This part should go a little quicker now that the bit has a track as a guide.
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is this the where you got the pattern ?
http://www.worldofwoodforum.com/vb/showthread.php?10143-WIP-gunstock-carving (http://www.worldofwoodforum.com/vb/showthread.php?10143-WIP-gunstock-carvinggood)
good info
Look at his turn-table of Dremel bits... DANG!
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Yep. I'm not sure he's the same guy that carved the one in my first pic. If he carved any deeper that squirrel would be looking out both sides. Not too sure about the squirrels stance. Kinda looks like he's going skiing. I'd better zip it. He's darn good!
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If you think that's something...check this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ)
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WOW.. looks good already Marty. Bet it is fun and will take you less time than my suggestion.
This took me about 5 winters to do... give or take. ;)
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Very nice Scott! Like Kris said there's a lot of satisfaction knowing your work fooled a nice deep fry. My first flies were made from some sort of fringe material hanging from a blanket my wife threw away. Looked like a nice tail, added ears, & a belly & tore up large mouth & smallies. Flies on a budget. ;)
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Looking good so far.
If you're looking for carving tips, ask stinnet sticks on YouTube he's a master of extraordinary work.
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Thanks for the tip David. I keep a scrap piece of hardwood next to the work piece to see how the different bits react to the wood. Sometimes you can't help but cut across/against the grain. When this happens I score the cuts & then REAL slow & at high rpm's ease through the cut. Much easier cutting with the grain.
I'm always thinking 5 steps down the road. Example; layout...no overlapping intersections, which leaf is on top, second, etc. Which areas need deeper cuts. Does this area need a cut or minor shading relief. Do some areas need mechanical cuts or fine blade cuts. Good way to exerciser the brain. ;)
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Thanks for the tip David. I keep a scrap piece of hardwood next to the work piece to see how the different bits react to the wood. Sometimes you can't help but cut across/against the grain. When this happens I score the cuts & then REAL slow & at high rpm's ease through the cut. Much easier cutting with the grain.
I'm always thinking 5 steps down the road. Example; layout...no overlapping intersections, which leaf is on top, second, etc. Which areas need deeper cuts. Does this area need a cut or minor shading relief. Do some areas need mechanical cuts or fine blade cuts. Good way to exerciser the brain. ;)
Sounds like you've got a real hold on this, I am not good at doing fine work with a rotary tools, electric pencils, or pyrography burners.
I've tried but I've always held pens and pencils as close to the tip as possible and you can't do that with these kinds of tools.
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I use a flex shaft on the Dremel, saves wear and tear on the hand and forearm when carving. Diamond bits do a great job when doing the finer details on hard wood, less splintering in tight places. Looking good, just take your time and good luck. ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/XOpPc0rm.jpg) (https://imgur.com/XOpPc0r)
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Have one of those on standby Kris just in case. Won't open it unless I have to. There's one I'm thinking about getting that would make a dentist blush. Bout the size of a Sharpe... with air. ;)
BTW; nice flies!
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Squirrel parameter done now I think I'll start chipping away on the background.
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If you have an air compressor, I was going to suggest a pencil grinder instead of a Dremel.
Mine came from a Tool / Die maker I worked with... and it is much easier to handle for intricate work.
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Good idea Scott. Can you post a pic of you grinder?
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Mine is this one...
(https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/25H887_AS01?$mdmain$)
There are even slimmer ones.
(https://static.grainger.com/rp/s/is/image/Grainger/11C977_AS01?$mdmain$)
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Definitely need to take a serious look at those...thanks.
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If you think that's something...check this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ)
just wow. a very humble. wow.
.not just that. Stock looks good too....
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There is a key less chuck for the Dremel and it will fit on the flex shaft. It will allow you to use the dental bits.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+keyless+chuck&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+keyless+chuck&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1)
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xdental+bits.TRS0&_nkw=dental+bits&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_PrefLoc=1&_osacat=0&_odkw=dremel+accessories&rt=nc (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xdental+bits.TRS0&_nkw=dental+bits&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_PrefLoc=1&_osacat=0&_odkw=dremel+accessories&rt=nc)
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There is a key less chuck for the Dremel and it will fit on the flex shaft. It will allow you to use the dental bits.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+keyless+chuck&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=dremel+keyless+chuck&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1)
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xdental+bits.TRS0&_nkw=dental+bits&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_PrefLoc=1&_osacat=0&_odkw=dremel+accessories&rt=nc (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xdental+bits.TRS0&_nkw=dental+bits&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_PrefLoc=1&_osacat=0&_odkw=dremel+accessories&rt=nc)
The keyless chuck works great, and they're made in German too so the quality is top notch.
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First background pass complete. I'll make one more pass & clean up the edges.
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If you think that's something...check this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ)
That is the most amazing carving I have ever seen.
He is a true artist.
Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed that with my morning coffee.
Gonna send it round to all my jeweler buddies, cause we all love this sort of hand work.
Andrew
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What's really amazing is that he did the whole thing in only 13 minutes and 28 seconds! Hey Marty! What's taking you so long with your project?!!! ;D
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If you think that's something...check this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAu8HYk5ahQ)
That is the most amazing carving I have ever seen.
He is a true artist.
Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed that with my morning coffee.
Gonna send it round to all my jeweler buddies, cause we all love this sort of hand work.
Andrew
You've gotta subscribe to his channel, all his work is amazing and his relaxed hang out with his dog approach makes good watch.
Seems like those who like to sit on the porch and read a book would really enjoy his videos.
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Decided to turn my attention to the main branch & the squirrels back leg. The background depth at the back leg will determine the depth for the rest of the background.
Also shaded the squirrel as a guide for highlighting.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Decided to turn my attention to the main branch & the squirrels back leg. The background depth at the back leg will determine the depth for the rest of the background.
Also shaded the squirrel as a guide for highlighting.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Looking good.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, hope your chicken , turkey, ham, roast, or whatever you choose to eat tastes good and fills you up.
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Fly tying? I never could get one to hold still so I just opted for swatting them.. or better yet... the Bug A Salt.... 8)
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Marty you're really off to a good start on that stock, it's looking good. I've only known one wood carver but he was amazing at it.
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Thank you David & Wayne. Really having fun with this. Everyday is a new challenge. Tomorrow I'll take the background down to it's final level & begin painstakingly detailing the squirrel...time to take out the needle files.
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Finished cutting in the parameter, leaves, & acorns, whittled away another layer of background, some detailing on squirrel, & began layering the upper left corner. Looks like another two passes on the background to get the depth I need.
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Looking real good, Marty!
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Thank you Randy.
A loooong way to go.
Looks like I need to re-think the branch on the upper left corner. Just noticed it has no life line. Rookie mistake.
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Some more detailing.
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Marty,
Are you going to stain any of this? Do you know what that clear liquid the guy in the video was squirting on parts of his work? Almost looked like superglue.
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IIRC he used the superglue or whatever it was on the scorpion. Probably to give it a translucent appearance. I'm pretty sure he used water base paint on the rest. I say that because it seemed to set up pretty quick.
Man I am a long way off from that phase. Still pretty much roughen in at this point. A lot of clean up before the color & finish. For now I'm thinking a dark background or some sort of a light blue white wash & a lot of highlighting everywhere else.
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It's looking pretty darn good. Keep it up!
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Thanks Bryan.
I was out back carving away & this guy shows up. Usually I'll grab a gun but decided to snap a few other shots instead. These might come in useful if I decide to to color this carving, & as long as he's cleaning up all the acorns & nasty berries my Chinese pastiche tree drops this time of year he's safe. :)
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Squirrels looking good this time of year. Bushy tails with grey tips on the hairs. Looking healthy. Bout ready for eating :)
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Glad you gave that guy a pass. He's a fine standard color model. let him fatten up...then eat him ;D
I wasn't sure if the liquid was for color/translucence or just to strengthen the thinned off wood...
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Just as an FYI... If you use CA (Cyanoacrylate) AKA: Super Glue... there is an accelerator for it, Some times called "kicker" or "Insta-cure", even Insta-set" in a mist spray bottle.
It does exactly that. Makes it cure in milliseconds.
Caution: if you are using low quality CA (Super Glue) it will make the glue turn white...
But higher quality model building stuff, it is unbeatable. (Set it and Forget it).
You should be able to get it at your local hobby shop.
(http://bsi-inc.com/images/hobby/insta_set.jpg)
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Pretty sure I'm at the depth I need for the background. It'll allow me to get the effects I'm after.
Under cut the leaves at the upper left, tucked the branches at the right, & began rolling the upper part of the squirrels tail. Will continue working on him till I get the relief I'm looking for & cut the hair in when done.
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Helpful criticism...Get some more depth at the base of the squirrels left ear... it looks like he has a pointed head as it is now.
:-X
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Helpful criticism welcome anytime Scott. As long as its helpful. Find me a squirrel w/o a pointed head.
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I took some time and watched a couple of ole boy's videos..... amazing !
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I get your drift. ::)
If folks would take time to look at previous photos they will see the ongoing transformations at every aspect of this carving. I spent an hour on the squirrel’s right ear with a bit traveling at 8 to 10k rpm’s then worked on the forehead pushing it back slightly consequently leveling off the left ear. Am I going to leave it that way? Nope, I just have to be at my best when taking on delicate areas like that with a bit that wants to whack it off with one wrong move.
I also photograph each day’s progress, blowing it up on the big screen at different angles to plan the next day’s work. Maybe taking a bit off here and there altering something else as a result. It’s all part of the process.
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I don't have the time, or the patience! It is coming along very nicely.
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It's looking really good. I envy you. I don't have that patience for that sort of thing.
Never been able to even draw. I have a problem focusing and seeing where things are going. I imagine you have to see the finished product in every step. I can't do that.
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Thanks guys. Now if I can find me a couple of fleas to sand once I'm done. :)
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It's looking really good. I envy you. I don't have that patience for that sort of thing.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
You are a better woodcarver than I... for sure.
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Marty by the looks of that carving so far I could swear you've had experience at it before, I've never attempted something like that but it looks like it could be a lot of fun.
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For me it would be a long process of making fire wood.
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Marty by the looks of that carving so far I could swear you've had experience at it before, I've never attempted something like that but it looks like it could be a lot of fun.
Wayne- I have a major remodel coming up in January; if you can call it that…1800 sqft, adding 4 rooms in 4 different locations of the same home, including an entirely new entry & foyer of a Southwest style home. So between now & then all I have is time so I figured why not try something different. Never attempted anything like this but I have dabbled in some pretty descent paintings if I do say so myself, & have always enjoyed wood working. Some folks say if you can paint you can dabble in just about any medium. You’d be surprised how much its helped here.
...& it is a lot of fun but getting up close & personal with tight spots will test your nerves. ;)
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Seems as long as it's an original you could cover up some mistakes. Mess up real bad and you'd have to make it appear to be a headshot at close range.
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Bill- There have been a couple of times where the dremel came close to making unplanned contact. That's my signal to call it quits for the day. Still could be firewood before its all said & done. ;)
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LOL... Marty, I wouldn't have got past the stencil.
I can frame the heck out of a house and keep it all within 1/4 inch. But don't ask me to do trim.
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About 8 more hours of work...
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WOW Marty,
Coming out really nice!
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Dang! .... even fixed the pointed head.... lol
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Looking great.
If I could do this the only change I'd make would be to add a pellet flying right over his head, an old school Sheridan pellet ;D
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Thank guys. Still a long ways off.
More lumber is going to have to be removed from the background so I can get some relief work done on the squirrel, & the overall detailing is going to take days. Anyone have useful tips on fine intricate sanding? Needle files are great for detailing tight spaces but the diamond surface leaves a rough finish. I noticed Dremel has a flywheel type sanding attachment that comes in different grits. Anyone ever try those?
...although I kinda like the organic finish. Too much sanding would look machined. Maybe just more refined detailing, squirrel work, & call it good.
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Looks awesome!
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Wow!!!!!! that is looking fantastic so far Marty, for not being a pro wood carver you're doing a might fine job on that stock !!!
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Looking great ! For smoothing things out but not too much, perhaps a brass rotary brush on a dremel ?
PS I like the pellet idea ;) maybe embed a lead free one into it ?
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What's neat about youtube is you can do a search and find out about anything you'd want to know, I'm sure just doing "Wood Carving" search you'd find a lot.
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All I know is if I tried this , it would look like them stick figure family stickers on the back of SUVs LOL Hmm I might try that now that I am Inspired :)
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Thanks again guys, & for the tip on the brass brush.
I think I'll move forward with more depth on the background. After that I’ll add more separation between the squirrels body & tail, gradually deepening the cut towards the junction of the tail & neck. I’ll tapper the tail in much the same fashion, & give more definition to the roll of the tip. This should give the illusion of the squirrel’s body moving forward.
...or... who knows which way that tail will end up. I usually don't know either until I start chipping away...then things just seem to happen on their own.
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Thanks again guys, & for the tip on the brass brush.
I think I'll move forward with more depth on the background. After that I’ll add more separation between the squirrels body & tail, gradually deepening the cut towards the junction of the tail & neck. I’ll tapper the tail in much the same fashion, & give more definition to the roll of the tip. This should give the illusion of the squirrel’s body moving forward.
I've tried Dremel wire wheels on wood without much luck, but what about some fine sandpaper wrapped around a piece of foam or sponge ?
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That's a good idea David.
I was also thinking about these dremel sanding wheels in the pic below that come in different grits. Was hoping someone has tried them.
Will probably try nail/ emery files. I think the emery files can be cut to size to get into those hard to reach places...which is just about everything. ::)
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Thank guys. Still a long ways off.
More lumber is going to have to be removed from the background so I can get some relief work done on the squirrel, & the overall detailing is going to take days. Anyone have useful tips on fine intricate sanding? Needle files are great for detailing tight spaces but the diamond surface leaves a rough finish. I noticed Dremel has a flywheel type sanding attachment that comes in different grits. Anyone ever try those?
...although I kinda like the organic finish. Too much sanding would look machined. Maybe just more refined detailing, squirrel work, & call it good.
Not sure exactly what areas you need to sand, but for really tight spaces maybe these could work?
https://www.amazon.com/Dental-Abrasive-Strips-Contouring-pcs/dp/B01FG4QZ8A (https://www.amazon.com/Dental-Abrasive-Strips-Contouring-pcs/dp/B01FG4QZ8A)
Also check out some modeling supplies.
https://store.spruebrothers.com/searchresults.asp?Search=abrasives&Submit= (https://store.spruebrothers.com/searchresults.asp?Search=abrasives&Submit=)
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^^^Exactly what I was looking for...thanks.
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^^^Exactly what I was looking for...thanks.
Cool, glad I could help.
Been following this thread with envy over your talents. Looking really great there.
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Thanks again neighbor. ;)
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Just thought of this as well. We (modelers) use them for scribing new panel lines on aircraft. Watch out for that grain direction though! I've never used these on wood myself.
https://www.squadron.com/Bare-Metal-Foil-Panel-Scriber-BF003-p/bf003.htm (https://www.squadron.com/Bare-Metal-Foil-Panel-Scriber-BF003-p/bf003.htm)
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Looked at the pic again. This should give the tail the relief I'm looking for. Will dig out the background & give it a go.
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Just thought of this as well. We (modelers) use them for scribing new panel lines on aircraft. Watch out for that grain direction though! I've never used these on wood myself.
https://www.squadron.com/Bare-Metal-Foil-Panel-Scriber-BF003-p/bf003.htm (https://www.squadron.com/Bare-Metal-Foil-Panel-Scriber-BF003-p/bf003.htm)
Does this tool have a razor edge? If yes I can certainly use it for detailing eyes & such.
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Are you going to add color to the finished product like the guy in the vids did?
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I'm still battling with that idea Bill. Which paints or stains to use? Controlling wicking? Do I color & then buff to age/antique the color? A lot to think about. ;)
BTW; how's the shoulder?
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Getting better thanks. Looking at this thread makes me wish I would have asked them to install the talent chip. ;)
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No razor edge. It's more of a curved scraper. Just the hint of an edge on the inside of the curl. When the tip is pulled across styrene it removes a curl of plastic and a tiny groove behind. You might be better off with a #11 Exacto blade.
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Looking good, be patient with it. Here are some other tool options for the details. Sometimes I use metal engraving tools to get the finer stuff.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=metal+engraving+tools&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=metal+engraving+tools&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_PrefLoc=1)
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Excellent idea Kris! Thanks
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Took more material off the background to get the depth I needed. Worked on the squirrels tail, & overall detail of the squirrel. Two different photos with the light source coming from opposite directions. I think I'll hold on anymore work for now til the micro detailing tools come in so I can work on the squirrels eye & nose area, & detailing on the rest of the scene.
Scott...to be honest with you that pointy nose has been a thorn in my side from the get go. Long before you mentioned it. Worked on it as well...whatdauthink? ;)
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Looking really nice!👍
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That's quite the masterpiece you've got going on there Marty . . . . looking great for sure !!!
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Thank you Wayne & Anthony. Looking forward to the fine detailing.
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Wow Marty.............Very Nice Indeed ! Good Job !
Best Wishes - Tom
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I had the talent chip. After a few years, my Mother asked to have it removed, then she broke my violin.
BobH.
Getting better thanks. Looking at this thread makes me wish I would have asked them to install the talent chip. ;)
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I had the talent chip. After a few years, my Mother asked to have it removed, then she broke my violin.
BobH.
Getting better thanks. Looking at this thread makes me wish I would have asked them to install the talent chip. ;)
I hear ya, My mom didn't have much patience for fiddling around either... ::)
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I had the talent chip. After a few years, my Mother asked to have it removed, then she broke my violin.
BobH.
Getting better thanks. Looking at this thread makes me wish I would have asked them to install the talent chip. ;)
I hear ya, My mom didn't have much patience for fiddling around either... ::)
LOLOLO
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Where's that rimshot sound...
"ba-doom chish"
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I look at this piece under high magnification & there's no denying the amount of detail remaining. Reading glasses can only get you so far. Will be getting one of those funny looking magnification head pieces to get me the rest of the way.
So the short of it...it'll be a while before I hear that sound.
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Well, it sure looks good to me! Looking forward to see where it goes from here.
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I look at this piece under high magnification & there's no denying the amount of detail remaining. Reading glasses can only get you so far. Will be getting one of those funny looking magnification head pieces to get me the rest of the way.
So the short of it...it'll be a while before I hear that sound.
I have an OptiVisor that I bought back when I was into electronics, I use it almost on a daily basis.
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LOOKING GOOD !
I think that carving is like most any art work. There comes a time when you have to STOP, & not do any more to it.
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I have been waiting for the fine detailing files, bristle discs, & magnifier. I did not expect them to come in until Monday. They made it here Friday & I’ve been working on the piece since then. The magnifier is a “Carson Pro Magnivisor Deluxe” & comes with a LED Light, & 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x, 3x glass lenses (won’t scratch like plastic). I guess you could say it opened up a whole new world of “dang this piece is rough”. These items came from Tree Line.
I think the items up top made a huge difference in getting the piece where I felt it should be. The pic below show’s every tool used in this carving. Yes, that dremel is a bit bulky but with a little patience & the right speed I think it does a real nice job.
The carving will be completed today & all that will be lacking is to prep the rest of the stock & forearm for the finish. I decided not to risk painting the scene & will use strictly Tru-Oil. The only thing that concerns me with oil’s is that they seem to wear fairly quickly. Especially around the pistol grip & forearm grip so I’ll be applying several layers. Looked at several vids & found one guy that seems to know what he’s doing so I’ll try his method.
Will post pics of the finished carving sometime today.
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A magnifier never " lets " you see the good work , it only shows the flaws !"
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Hey Marty,
I've used Tru-oil on a few guns, and recently decided to try Minwax Antique Oil Finish. It's actually easier to use than Tru-oil, and it is a harder finish.
It's actually an oil-varnish mixture. Linseed oil, and by the smell of it when you're using it, mineral spirits, and I guess some resins like you would find in varnish. After it dries, all you smell is Linseed oil.
It's thinner than tru-oil, so it really soaks in on the first and possibly second coat. The directions say to rub it on liberally, let it sit for 5 to 10 minutes until it starts to get a little thick and sticky, then wipe it all off. No way to get a run or a dust nib.
My first coat I keep it wet and rub in in for several minutes, really trying to work it into the wood deep. After that, I follow the directions and let it thicken a little and then wipe it off.
If you stop after 3 coats you'll have a satin, in-the-wood finish. If you go beyond that it starts to get a little more luster. I've only taken it to 4 or 5 coats, and that still leaves it at an "in the wood, not on the wood" finish.
And like I said, it does seem to be harder than Tru-oil.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Thanks for not only the tip Randy but also a detail step by step on how you accomplished the finish you were after. Here's the guy on YouTube. If you get some time check it out & let me know what you think. His application is unique. I've never seen it done that way but it makes sense. Especially the last step.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76kC1Lvk7gg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76kC1Lvk7gg)
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Well...here's the finished piece after about another 16 hours. Tough to see the changes but trust me...their there. I'll look at it a few more times before finishing the stock just in case something was over looked.
...second & third pic show's the work just prior to this one. A LOT more work on the squirrel, branches, acorns, leaves, boarder & background. Used a sanding ball to level off the background but not remove the organic look. If you look close you can see how it allowed the grain (dark/light almost horizontal lines) to show through which should show well with the finish.
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A magnifier never " lets " you see the good work , it only shows the flaws !"
I'd be lost without my OptiVisor, I've had it for years for the electronics business but I use it for all kinds of stuff that I need for close up work. It has been an invaluable tool for all my hobbies.
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Nx0NhcslhOT1g4w0hTHpYQHaHa&pid=Api&w=400&h=400&rs=1&p=0)
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Awesome
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=150923.0;attach=250681;image)
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Wayne, I agree completely. I'll be finding a lot of uses for the magnifier...& thanks!
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Awesome
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=150923.0;attach=250681;image)
Very Nice Marty !
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Marty.... If this is your first go round, I'm absolutely impressed. I'm afraid I wouldn't even post any attempt I made at this.
If I may be so bold... have a look at what ole boy in the videos did around the eyes and maybe a little more softening of the other edges of the squirrel.
Again... I'm totally impressed.
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Thanks Tom & Bill.
The old boy in the vid uses an eye punch which worked fine for his mouse because by nature a mouses eyes look like someone's trying to squeeze the life out of it. In the case of the squirrel; the eye only measures <1/8" & there is only the slightest amount of material left to form the slanted eye lids, this & any variation in depth or height in this area throws the entire head out of profile.;) I plan to use just a drop of dark walnut stain which should accentuate the eye.
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It looks really good. The grain should pop nicely :)
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Thanks Bryan. I hope the grain shows up well in the background. Should find out tomorrow.
Finished giving the stock a VERY LIGHT sanding to preserve the factory modeling marks. I have a couple of very nice Benji's that haven't seen much sun light, if any at all. I'll be using those as a guide for the finish. Their finish appears to be of medium thickness with what appears to be a buffed finish giving them a satin or semigloss finish. I'll go with a couple of diluted coats of TO so it penetrates the grain following each coat with 0000 steal wool, & each subsequent coat there after until I achieve the desired look.
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What a Glenfield model 60 should have looked like.
You can't beat a painstakingly hand carved stock.
Take a good honest look at some old hand cut checkering.
This is a "dang" good looking stock.
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Hey! I have one of those!..I think it's about 46 or 47 years old by now.
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Oh, I like my magnifiers, too !
But, the nature of the human mind is to look for faults, & that will be the first thing you see when you look through one.
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Applied the first coat around 6:00 am. Used a 50/50 mix of TO & mineral spirits. Used a artist brush to get the oil in all the hard to reach places of the carving then used a micro fiber cloth to rid the excess, then applied a very thin coat of the same mix to the rest of the stock & forearm. The TO is going on very smooth so I've decided to use 1500 grit wet/dry sand paper between coats & very light pressure.
I think I'll hold off on adding more TO to the carving for now & see how it buffs out.
I'll let it set up overnight & hit it again in the morning.
The pic was taken in direct sun light.
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Marty,
That is absolutely gorgeous. Very nice work.
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Marty,
That is absolutely gorgeous. Very nice work.
Yes ! Positively Stunning !
My wife JoAnne says it is Incredibly Beautiful ! ( and she doesn't like air guns much. )
Best Wishes - Tom
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That is a huge success! Marty's Magnum Opus?
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Ray, Tom, & Randy, thanks for the complements.
...& Tom; hearing that from JoAnne makes this entire endeavor worth while! :)
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Magnificent!👍👍👍
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Thanks Anthony.
I gave the stock & forearm grip another coat of TO before retiring for the night. The carving really soaked in the oil & was dull compared to the rest of the stock. It will require the same amount of coats as the rest of the gun, perhaps even more since the wood was totally exposed. I will apply another coat to the entire gun shortly & again this evening before day’s end & then repeat the entire process again tomorrow & reassemble the gun on Thursday.
I’ve been comparing the finish to my nice Benji’s & it is an exact duplicate, so much so that no additional steps after the final coat will be necessary. It’s amazing how this product enhances the grain & brings out the reddish tone Dan’s are known for. I will have side by side shots of the Silver Streak & two of the Benji’s so you can judge for yourself.
I’ve heard folks mention Tru-Oil on GTA before so I confided in UJ & when he gave it his approval that was all I needed to hear. I looked for it in the paint section of Walmart but was disappointed it wasn’t there. At the last minute I decided to try the gun section & there it was. I’m sure most of you know but just in case some don’t, it’s made specifically for gun stocks. If I ever attempt this challenge again (which shouldn’t be too far off) TO will definitely be my go to finish.
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Makes sense. Tru Oil is what is featured in the Birchwood Casey kits. I like the results of Tung Oil as well.
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That is turning out super good . . . simply stunning in my opinion !!!
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Thanks Wayne!
Here's a pic of the gun shortly after buffing the silver. She's now sporting a larger Swift pistol mount. Again...it was scuffed up real bad & if I had to rethink my decision to buff it out I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. Pics of how bad she was didn't show up well in photos. On the plus side her furniture has always been in great shape
Looking forward to getting her back in operation. She has always been my go to Dan for chasing game & its that time of season again. We'll be heading back out to the sticks come early next week.
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Wow Marty!
Stunning work indeed.
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what beautiful work
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Wow that is just amazing, you could do that for a living!
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Thanks guys. I'm finding the finish can be almost as challenging as the carving.
Tru-Oil can certainly give the user just about any desired effect up to or just shy of gloss. Building up as I have (five coats so far) has certainly built up an extremely durable finish but also comes with its challenges in dealing with the almost gloss like finish. Knocking down the high sheen on flat surfaces is easy (light buff w/0000) but quite the contrary when dealing with the carved areas. I spent about a 1 ½ hrs dulling the high sheen of the carving with 0000 & in some cases dragging the steel wool with tooth picks in tight areas. Now I’m doing these two surfaces separately. The carving was given a highly diluted mix of TO & mineral spirits ~30/70 & I think its just about right. Tomorrow I’ll lightly buff the rest of the wood & see if that’s sufficient…if not I’ll use the same mix I used on the carving.
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This has been quite the adventure with challenges at every turn; mainly patience & knowing when to engage & when to walk away. Never letting obstacles get in the way of the ultimate goal & trusting your abilities. No, this piece did not turn out like the intended target nor did I expect it to. Each artist performs his or her work in their own style & I assume each piece I work on from this point forward will be in much the same style. That’s the beauty & uniqueness of art. What I can say is I never envisioned wood as a medium for art although the quality of wood found in these classics is second to none & was a joy to work with.
The first pic is to show a comparison in finishes of this piece & two pristine guns, a Benjamin & a Dan. If you look at the upper portion of the carved Dan you can see the gloss, the forearm grip has already been lightly buffed. The Benjamin still has finish residue at the ends of the Tootsie Roll cuts & looks exactly like the finish on the carved Dan before it was lightly buffed which could mean much the same process was used at the factory in the form of lightly dulling the almost gloss like finish.
Well enough said…here she is after 18 days & ~108 hours but who’s counting…long process but enjoyed every moment…now it’s time for her to earn her keep.
...Didn't realize how grainy that first pic was...last pic.
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Wow Marty ! Nice Work !
That looks like one of those Old World (turn-of-the-century) hunting rifles that came out of Europe in the early 1900's.
I showed your finished Silver Streak to my wife JoAnn and she said that you should display that exquisite work in your home somewhere for guests to see. ( And remember that she does not like air guns much. )
Best Wishes - Tom
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Wow it sure turned out nice, a big congrats on a job well done !!!
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That turned out real nice! I think you did a great job with the finish, it's balanced really well.
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Thanks Wayne & Bryan for all the kind words!
Hey Tom...I'm liking JoAnn more & more. ;)
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Wow. Just WOW!!
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Looks good Marty, well done.
Definitely an heirloom.
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Very nice results. Great job on that one Marty.
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Thanks guys. Already thinking about a theme for the next one. Maybe a bobcat & cottontail.
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Thanks guys. Already thinking about a theme for the next one. Maybe a bobcat & cottontail.
Marty......my wife, JoAnne votes for the... Bobcat... theme. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
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wonder what a cottontail, squirrel & Dog would look like ;D
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Or, a priest, a minister, and a rabbi.......in a bar......
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This has been the best thread on any forum I have ever encountered.
Enjoyed it from the start to end.
I can't believe the talent you have Marty.
Truly outstanding work.
You are a true craftsman.
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Thanks guys. Already thinking about a theme for the next one. Maybe a bobcat & cottontail.
Marty......my wife, JoAnne votes for the... Bobcat... theme. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
Tom...from this point forward this is how I plan to spell JoAnne..."JoAnne"...Please let me know if this is correct... ;) Be sure to tell her I'll give it my best shot. I think I've cut & pasted several of the two partners in crime in different scenes trying to design something that makes sense...it's been more of a challenge than anticipated.
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Dick & Randy...lol. It's tough enough trying to get two subjects in a confined space let alone 3.
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This has been the best thread on any forum I have ever encountered.
Enjoyed it from the start to end.
I can't believe the talent you have Marty.
Truly outstanding work.
You are a true craftsman.
That means more than you realize Andrew…thank you!
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Thanks guys. Already thinking about a theme for the next one. Maybe a bobcat & cottontail.
Marty......my wife, JoAnne votes for the... Bobcat... theme. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
Tom...from this point forward this is how I plan to spell JoAnne..."JoAnne"...Please let me know if this is correct... ;) Be sure to tell her I'll give it my best shot. I think I've cut & pasted several of the two partners in crime in different scenes trying to design something that makes sense...it's been more of a challenge than anticipated.
Yep Marty her name is spelled...JoAnne. and she says that she can't wait to see your next carving.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Marty,
Beautiful work! I would encourage you to write a paragraph or 2 and store it somewhere within the rifle. That would be a very kind surprise for some future owner.
BobH.
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Thanks guys. Already thinking about a theme for the next one. Maybe a bobcat & cottontail.
Marty......my wife, JoAnne votes for the... Bobcat... theme. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
Tom...from this point forward this is how I plan to spell JoAnne..."JoAnne"...Please let me know if this is correct... ;) Be sure to tell her I'll give it my best shot. I think I've cut & pasted several of the two partners in crime in different scenes trying to design something that makes sense...it's been more of a challenge than anticipated.
Yep Marty her name is spelled...JoAnne. and she says that she can't wait to see your next carving.
Best Wishes - Tom
Might be a while Tom...I think I need to focus on something else to clear the mind. The scene alone is fighting me every step of the way. Some quite time with my Dan as in beatin the brush is just what the doctor ordered. We'll head out early next week.
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Marty,
Beautiful work! I would encourage you to write a paragraph or 2 and store it somewhere within the rifle. That would be a very kind surprise for some future owner.
BobH.
Very kind of you to say Bob...thank you!
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It looks great Marty have you ever thought about buying a 8/4 piece of curly maple and making your own stock ?
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Mesquite is some really nice wood as well.
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Thanks Joe & Bill, as a matter of fact that was the original plan for the model 21 below but carving seemed like a lot more fun. I started thinking how long it would take just to build the stock & forearm, & it was beginning to look like a year long process so I scratched it for now. The Model 21 is a blast to shoot but it's been said the plastic stock is prone to fracture given the torque to break the receiver so I would imagine given its age, that possibility is even higher now. I love curly maple & mesquite & will certainly give those some thought once that bridge is crossed again.
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First of what appears to be one of many Bobcat/cottontail scenes sketches. This might give you an idea of how difficult it is to squeeze 2 subjects into such a small space & not loose the ability to detail each. I have looked at many scenes with more than one subject & if full bodies are used their more of a blur. Ideas welcome. No bar scenes...just don't seem natural for some reason. :D
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The Tru-Oil has had plenty of time to set up so I ran her through her paces on the range today for her first hunt of the season. I forgot how sweet a shooter she is. A couple of fine adjustments on the Swift & she’s stacking pellets where she left off last year. Really looking forward to taking her out tomorrow. Hopefully we’ll come home with some fresh meat.
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Marty,
I believe even the most tried and true purest will think you did a fantastic job on that 'Dan
Such an amazing transformation.
Never let it go.... she is an heirloom of your devotion to the sport.
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Thank you for that Scott…means a lot buddy.
I’ve thought long & hard how to pass these guns & other possessions down to our two sons. Two of the guns will be given this Christmas; 2 Pony Express Daisy’s & more in Christmas’s to come. Other than that if something happens to me or when that time comes I’ve asked my wife to have the boy’s flip a coin & the winner gets his choice of the first item & continues from there until everything is gone. I’m not sure where this Dan will end up but I’m hoping it’s taken pretty quick. ;)
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Well then... can I get in on the coin toss?
LOL.
Seriously, good for you. I have only one grand-son. He is 4 now... but the eldest 11yo Grand-daughter "Dead Eye Lou" may give him a run for his money for cherry picking when I am gone. ;)
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Well then... can I get in on the coin toss?
LOL.
Seriously, good for you. I have only one grand-son. He is 4 now... but the eldest 11yo Grand-daughter "Dead Eye Lou" may give him a run for his money for cherry picking when I am gone. ;)
Gee Whiz Marty..... If you decide to let Scott toss a coin... then.....Can I get in on the coin toss TOO ! ! ! ;D ;D ;D
SERIOUSLY ....those are Fantastic Gifts for you sons and they will treasure & remember them forever !
Best Wishes - Tom
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Thanks Tom. Spent time yesterday sighting in as mentioned. Sighted in a couple guns. Believe it or not all of them are tucked into the gun safe. Even added another gun shelf for 12 more uprights. It’s quite a spectacle every time I want a gun my man cave turns into a ware house with stuff everywhere. On the plus side I get to look at guns I haven’t held in a while & I start wondering which ones are tops. Love em all but there’s something about those tootsie’s that can really grab hold of a guy. I think I’ll be shooting them more often & get them out in field. Their small, compact, lightweight & pack one heck of a punch, & their look is so dad-gum classic vintage.
Well...time to pack a lunch & hit the road. Day break in about an hour. :)
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Pardon my memory but, did you ever get your hands on a nice Crosman 101? So compact, powerful and very classic. Such a pleasure to shoot with the stock peep. Pellet loading takes a bit to master but once you get it, it's no issue.
I can barely wait until I get back up to pumping condition. These will be of the first ones I grab.
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Yes I did Bill & your right its another one of those with that classic vintage look & about the same compact size as my early model 312's. A lot of fun to shoot.
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Yep, now I remember.
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Been away doing holiday and family stuff. had to go a few pages back to the most recent project pic. to see how it was going...and it was done. Very nicely too. Great job Marty... it looks so cool!
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Thanks P.O.I....unfortunately I've decided against that first sketch. It's too difficult to squeeze more than one subject on a stocking scene without sacrificing one or the other or both, so I have decided on using only the bobcat. I'm just about finished with the second sketch & I think it'll turn out well. The scene is a bobcat perched on a gnarly old dried out cedar tree (lots of em here in NM) on a bluff overlooking the Rio Grande Box (Northern NM). It's been difficult to sketch & probably 5x as hard to convey on wood. Looking forward to the challenge though. Will post a pic manana.
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Definitely looking forward to more. Wondering how mesquite is to carve since you are down there. Its a pretty wood...crazy grain structure though. Had some charcoal of it gifted to me once too...delicious. ...but goes off like blasting caps when cooking over it :o
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Below is the latest Bobcat scene. I must have looked at 100 bobcat photos until I found this one, an exceptional mount. The tree is from three different tree photos, & the backdrop is the head waters of the Rio Grande (NM/Colorado border). As mentioned before this sketch was difficult & took about a week to draw. Trying to carve the scene will probably take much longer than the first one. If I’m not careful that river could end up on the other side.:)
I won’t bore you with all the details. Will post photos once it's complete.
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Outstanding once again, Marty!
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WOW..Marty..WOW ! "JoAnne says....OH Ya ! Very Nice !"
Best Wishes - Tom
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Outstanding!
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Real nice.... not sure about putting a bobcat on a bb gun..... ;)
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Thanks guys!
Not sure about putting a bobcat on a bb gun either...that's why I choose a .22 cal. ;)
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How about a scene similar to your avatar.
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"Jaw dropping"
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"Jaw dropping"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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How about a scene similar to your avatar.
That was actually my first choice when I began this carving venture & certainly fitting for a Benji. I would like to someday purchase an early model 312 that isn’t a collector & carve an exact duplicate (elementary as it is). I can then switch stocks with one the other’s & enjoy it out in the field.
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Thanks Scott & Tom….that certainly gave me the giggles.
The original turned out just a little too large so I reduced the size to 85%. Too small, the canyon lines crammed too close together. Kicked it back up to 95% & I think it’s just about right. Love a challenge & this certainly has all the ingredients.
…& Bill… caught you asleep at the wheel partner. I thought you of all people would have figured out the profile of the stock.
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Been following this thread with interest...
Back in the ‘80s I was repairing airguns for a little extra cash. Fellow brought me a 312 where he had stenciled two designs on his stock; elk on one side/bear on the other.
In return for the reseal, he did my stock with the same pattern. The Missouri walnut grain blends with the design in a rather pleasing fashion, I think.
Still shoot it. In no way is it comparable to your efforts, just a kindred pride-in-ownership for these classic old guns👍
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Very nice! Was that done with a woodburning kit?
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Thanks Scott & Tom….that certainly gave me the giggles.
The original turned out just a little too large so I reduced the size to 85%. Too small, the canyon lines crammed too close together. Kicked it back up to 95% & I think it’s just about right. Love a challenge & this certainly has all the ingredients.
…& Bill… caught you asleep at the wheel partner. I thought you of all people would have figured out the profile of the stock.
I did notice the odd shape but it didn't occur to me that it was significant. I was just busting your chops anyhow. I know how much you enjoy that. ;D
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I like that bobcat sketch . . . looking good !!!
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Been following this thread with interest...
Back in the ‘80s I was repairing airguns for a little extra cash. Fellow brought me a 312 where he had stenciled two designs on his stock; elk on one side/bear on the other.
In return for the reseal, he did my stock with the same pattern. The Missouri walnut grain blends with the design in a rather pleasing fashion, I think.
Still shoot it. In no way is it comparable to your efforts, just a kindred pride-in-ownership for these classic old guns👍
Both the elk & bear are nice, thanks for sharing.
BTW; you mentioned Missouri Walnut. Is this the walnut type used for Benji's?
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I like that bobcat sketch . . . looking good !!!
Thank you Wayne...I know I said I wouldn't bore you with the details of this one but had to share this photo. If this doesn't scramble the brain I don't know what will...
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BTW; you mentioned Missouri Walnut. Is this the walnut type used for Benji's?
Yes, the stocks were American walnut from Missouri.
My flyer (‘76), makes mention of “gun metal finished bronze” barrels. You will often see these incorrectly referred to as brass.
Undercoat is nickel, I believe, and likely won’t take cold-blue. Read that Brownell brass-black will work, but have no personal experience.
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Very nice article...thanks.
I was wondering because all of my Benji's have relatively dark walnut whereas one is light. A lot like yours. Almost a fawn like color.
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Lots of depth in that scene.
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I was watching a video on youtube last night about a guy in Texas cooking up backstraps from bobcat, his wife was the first to try it and she thought it was wild pig until he finally told her it was bobcat, she continued eating it and liked it.
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I've wondered about that Wayne as well as other critters like the local squirrels. Ya, never tried one.
Yep Bill...a lot of depth to this one. I thought about holding off on posting this carving but it seems easier just to post up as I progress. Trying to cram everything into a few posts could be difficult. I'll start another thread sometime today; "Carving a Benji". So far it is all cut in & the background is being roughed in.