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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: UlteriorModem on January 12, 2019, 03:42:27 PM
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I am looking for a new scope to replace some crappy center points.
I was considering the Leapers 3-12x44 "Accushot" with the illuminated reticle.
Was wondering if anyone has experience with this scope and what are your opinions / impressions.
Thanks.
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Well, they stand behind their warranty really well if you keep a sales receipt. I have their 4-16 X 44 and would not be likely to buy one again. The first time I sent it back something had shaken loose inside. Its replacement was really hard to turn the knobs for elevation and azimuth so I returned it. Its replacement was okay but I think something is a little loose inside now. I'll work with a bit more before I make a final decision. It MAY be me. I'll swap back and forth between two scopes when the weather warms a bit and decide. I have yet to have problems with a Hawke scope. Of course you'll find others with the opposite for experience. Beware - some Leapers scopes have etched reticles while others are wire. Etched is more expensive but generally better built.
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Thanks for the input. One would expect the Hawke to be better since they cost 2 to 3x as much.
Pretty sure the Leapers I am looking into has a 'wire' reticle. I will look around and see what else is available.
But just what is the issue of wire vs etched reticles?
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Wire reticles tend to be thicker than etched reticles - they are not as fine. Sometimes they can be shaken out of place whereas the etched one is a permanent fixture in the glass. The wire reticle is just one more thing inside the scope that can break or go wrong. Thirty mm tubes on scopes are reputed to make a sturdier scope. I have both and have had zero problems (other than Center Point) so I can't really say. Logically I can see where a thirty mm scope tube, allowing more room for components, could be sturdier but so far that thirty mm Leapers has been my only problem scope. I've had a Hawke Sport 3-9 for almost six trouble free years. The Vantage line replaced the Sport line, I believe. That is their economy line. You can get the Vantage with or without AO but for airgun use spend the extra $10 and get AO.
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I have a 4-16x50 Leapers with 1" tube and AO. I got it used as a gift, so no warranty coverage. Although it has all the features I would want, I find that the glass isn't as clear nor the focus as sharp as my other scopes. This is the only Leapers I've ever used. My other rifles have Nikons, BSA and Vortex. My advice is the same I was given when getting into shooting: buy the very best scope you can afford. In my opinion, that's a Vortex. I love mine and have used them to 750 and 1000 yards (powder burners of course).
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I am looking for a new scope to replace some crappy center points.
I was considering the Leapers 3-12x44 "Accushot" with the illuminated reticle.
Was wondering if anyone has experience with this scope and what are your opinions / impressions.
Thanks.
Wire reticles in UTGs are really thick.
There is a 3 to 12 x 44 Centerpoint version that has a MOA (hash) reticle, which is only $60 so if you buy it from ebay. The model is L312SFT2. Bought 1 for only $50 last Dec..
Wally has them too but they are sealed, so peering is not possible.
Gave 1 to a friend of mine as gift and he likes it very much. Was not able to see personally inspect though because I had it shipped to him.
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From my perspective, the biggest issue with UTG scopes can be their overall length. Depending on the airgun, scope model in question, and the mount style (picatinny or 11 mm rail), you might have one model too long, and another too short. Since the best prices seemingly are on Amazon, always leave yourself an out, as in return without penalty.
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Tom, I have that scope on my .25 Sumatra carbine & I’m pleased with the etched glass reticle, size, ranging & weight. No problems whatsoever.
I highly recommend. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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Tom, I have that scope on my .25 Sumatra carbine & I’m pleased with the glass, size & weight. No problems whatsoever. I recommend. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316)
That's a different scope. I am looking at this one...
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429)
But re-considering one with an etched reticle.
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I have one and really like it. The illumination can be hit or miss with them though as in, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't! I have had mine for about 3 years and it works just fine. I have even, yes, dropped it a couple times on a concrete floor yet it still holds it's zero.
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i have the 3-12x44 compact with the 36 color reticle that you linked to,
its been a really good scope for me.
i put the large side wheel on it,
its clear,snaps into focus nice,i can focus mine down to about 8yds,holds zero,locking turrets,etc...
have mine on my bullboss and have whacked many pigeons with it.
that said, im getting ready to put it up for sale in the classifieds LOL
only because i want to go to a fixed 10x scope,or maybe another ffp.
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Experience may vary, but they've been good scopes for the price point for me. I've had wire, etched, hunter and side focus. Only one warranty issue (front AO ring got loose) and they sent a new unit on return.
No experience with super high end scopes, but no complaints on UTG for springer distances. The etched reticle is much nicer as others have said.
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I have 2. One on my 40 cal Badger and one on my .22 Flashpup. Like mentioned, the lit rectical is hit or miss. Sometimes they lite up and sometimes they don’t. A simple on off switch would be better than the push switch that are on them. Only other issue I have is that they are heavy. I also have the short version on my Prod and really like it. I wanted to put a Bugbuster on the Prod, but this one works so well I hate to mess with it.
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Tom, I have that scope on my .25 Sumatra carbine & I’m pleased with the glass, size & weight. No problems whatsoever. I recommend. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316)
That's a different scope. I am looking at this one...
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429)
But re-considering one with an etched reticle.
Fat rets on this one.
Got the 16x version.
The Centerpoint I told you about is available at Wally but it is expensive. You can try 1 and whether you like it or not you can return it and opt for the ones on ebay.
..And there is the Discovery brand.
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I am looking for a new scope to replace some crappy center points.
I was considering the Leapers 3-12x44 "Accushot" with the illuminated reticle.
Was wondering if anyone has experience with this scope and what are your opinions / impressions.
Thanks.
Hey Tom,
I'm a big fan of the leapers 3-12x44 and 4-16x44, both with 30mm tubes. I would only buy these scopes with glass etched reticles. The scopes really shine outdoors.
Both can be had a Dvor or Optics Planet for $130-$150 when on sale.
While they're a tad heavy at 21/22 oz., they have a nice side focus, 10 yrd. to infinity parallax and are Bullet Proof.
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I've got one that I bought at the airgun show a couple years ago and it's a very good scope IMO, yes it's a little long and a little heavy IMO (I do like the swat scopes and bug busters too) but it has never given me any problems at all. I've never even had a battery in it though because I really don't use the lit retical because I always manage to somehow accidentally leave them on.
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I am looking for a new scope to replace some crappy center points.
I was considering the Leapers 3-12x44 "Accushot" with the illuminated reticle.
Was wondering if anyone has experience with this scope and what are your opinions / impressions.
Thanks.
Hey Tom,
I'm a big fan of the leapers 3-12x44 and 4-16x44, both with 30mm tubes. I would only buy these scopes with glass etched reticles. The scopes really shine outdoors.
Both can be had a Dvor or Optics Planet for $130-$150 when on sale.
While they're a tad heavy at 21/22 oz., they have a nice side focus, 10 yrd. to infinity parallax and are Bullet Proof.
+1
Except that I would only buy these scopes with wire reticles - I have my reasons.
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This one. MUCH better glass than Leapers. I have one and a UTG 4-16X56 glass reticle. The Bushnell is more clear and jyst as bright.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/202136/bushnell-ar-optics-rifle-scope-3-12x-40mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-drop-zone-223-bdc-reticle-matte (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/202136/bushnell-ar-optics-rifle-scope-3-12x-40mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-drop-zone-223-bdc-reticle-matte)
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I am looking for a new scope to replace some crappy center points.
I was considering the Leapers 3-12x44 "Accushot" with the illuminated reticle.
Was wondering if anyone has experience with this scope and what are your opinions / impressions.
Thanks.
Hey Tom,
I'm a big fan of the leapers 3-12x44 and 4-16x44, both with 30mm tubes. I would only buy these scopes with glass etched reticles. The scopes really shine outdoors.
Both can be had a Dvor or Optics Planet for $130-$150 when on sale.
While they're a tad heavy at 21/22 oz., they have a nice side focus, 10 yrd. to infinity parallax and are Bullet Proof.
+1
Except that I would only buy these scopes with wire reticles - I have my reasons.
I only use mine for target practice, since I don't hunt. The fine reticle allows you to be very precise.
In a hunting situation, I can see why the reticle maybe too fine :D.
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This one. MUCH better glass than Leapers. I have one and a UTG 4-16X56 glass reticle. The Bushnell is more clear and jyst as bright.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/202136/bushnell-ar-optics-rifle-scope-3-12x-40mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-drop-zone-223-bdc-reticle-matte (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/202136/bushnell-ar-optics-rifle-scope-3-12x-40mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-drop-zone-223-bdc-reticle-matte)
I've never used one, but it sure looks to be good ;).
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Thanks for the input one and all.
Based on your input I changed my consideration to this scope. Its a bit more expensive but has the 'features' some have mentioned.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223)
Any opinions on that?
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I would certainly go for it. I have two of them in my cart at PA now waiting for payday, lol
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Thanks for the input one and all.
Based on your input I changed my consideration to this scope. Its a bit more expensive but has the 'features' some have mentioned.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223)
Any opinions on that?
Hey Tom,
I would get the compact one that weighs 21/22 oz.
The scope above is a Tank at 27.4 oz. ::)
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That is the one that I have. Pretty good glass and the multi color IR is NOT a gimmick. The different colors and intensities are very useful.
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Thanks for the input one and all.
Based on your input I changed my consideration to this scope. Its a bit more expensive but has the 'features' some have mentioned.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-accushot-4-16x56-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ez-tap-illuminated-etched?a=4223)
Any opinions on that?
I have this exact scope on my TX200. It is bright, clear and the IR works so much better with the etched reticle than wire ones. No halo effect. The weight doesn't bother me for HFT or bench shooting, in fact I prefer it.
Everything's a compromise, but this is a good one for me.
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Not a bad choice at all. I have the 4-16x44 compact swat. It's a tough scope that serves me well. The compact is lighter and more compact which is great, but you don't get as much adjustment range for the rings being a compact. I wouldn't buy any SFP again though. Only FFP for me going forward.
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Tom, I have that scope on my .25 Sumatra carbine & I’m pleased with the glass, size & weight. No problems whatsoever. I recommend. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-1-5-6x44-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-mil-dot-reticle-1?a=4316)
That's a different scope. I am looking at this one...
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-3-12x44-ao-swat-compact-accushot-rifle-scope-ez-tap?a=3429)
But re-considering one with an etched reticle.
Tom, that’s okay. I listed the wrong scope anyway. The one I have has the etched reticle too.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-3-12x44-ao-accushot-swat-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-etched-mil?a=5758 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-3-12x44-ao-accushot-swat-rifle-scope-ez-tap-ill-etched-mil?a=5758)
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I've used the etched glass compact 3-12x44 scope for a couple years on my HW50S, mainly for FT. It is a great value for the money. It's fairly clear, well-built, and ranges well. When the HFT magnification increased to 16X, I bought 2 of the etched glass compact 4-16x44 scopes to replace the compact ones. I found the glass clarity to be not as good in the new scopes. Also there was a bit of a fishbowl effect at 16X. Lastly, the ocular adjustment on both scopes was fairly loose and would wiggle if it wasn't completely tight against the housing. I ended up returning both scopes and still use the 3-12x44 scope to this day. I have heard that UTG was going to update their ocular adjustments on many of their scopes with a locking ring, but I don't know if this has occurred yet. It's been a year or so that I've bought one of their scopes.
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Thanks all, I have ordered the Leapers I posted a little back and will report on it once it arrives and I get to try it out.
All my other scopes have the thick 'wire' reticles in them so it will be interesting to see the difference.
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Here is a photo of my 3-12 compact with the etched reticle. I think you will like it!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/azEY2vPGEPSzx80apw2mdVfcsatI6F2o-R-DyyNgE1i1xg9Peppnur1N2vOUIz8ii6Z1ONn9DdVA1tpq6TTW2RNg_hIYt_w3lSgxOCpCqMfUMt13knmwoXP186w72uxuhwQD1G_BnaEvDRy4sFNQZcGTo9lpJTiiFOywThepeax8WQVSKjhSiRyp_M8Ol-Mwk0V-CPJ5eXF2495eU2IV3EVXB2hVhybKpVbq_1K7qnP3YaoessNpi5j0Dlr3DG5XPFh7oS_31MbjifvJEMXMmgdhYnXSvxEbqOrSxJ7FOJuyOdo_4iPAHtEFpjLlSVd0-9HNDSuMkVotKjW435cmJ91R2LwzD5UqOtj2dlhGswy1bRYXe3JuyYNaWwSVf5W0AONCNfmVngbxYORkkkkWtl24G-dD--r30viBdkOOXQ7sXcTrXnJ6jBiuaE2x6TLsOVNHFrjH8jXzittqj5VdOv-qd-tBncZlrPA5ZT3PJ0Q2OCwcKM0_nQEAA0fRRLex8GFx1EdYTZ__Ht6ncFh9hogLJC_yWep91abyDb-ZsJ9boNC4xAjCikf_pBGO01fJOT86tr3kjkyWQQEEg8mGkrKtc1fSIgGRxTp1Ig0iwpQmzvenqBabLmIEnN6m12FgJv1SoVIYPbFIMe0jc0cP9aJpY_z8g4YMiZB--DZ1FyWE0t60RvIzK8DgeDpGPo4xdJOLhYrrsrM2pYyg0WA=w1011-h758-no)
Be sure to save your receipt and the boxes that it came in. IMHO, there is no such thing as an indestructible scope. I have sent a few back to UTG. They have been great about it though.
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I agree with one of the previous posts, about the illuminated reticles not working at times. Mine goes in & out on occasion. If I mess around with the battery for a bit, it'll usually come back on. Oddly enough, the hot pink illumination is my favorite for target shooting, provides a nice contrast with my targets.
Leapers/UTG is a decent budget scope, I think. I'm happy enough with mine, but having said that, I ordered a Discovery scope for when I order a new Hatsan Flash in a couple of months.
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Right now I have five of them mounted up. Does that tell you anything?
and...I have literally driven a car over one ---accidentally of course-- and it's still going strong.
Yep, there is glass that is more clear.
Yep, there are thinner cross hairs.
Yep, there are lighter scopes.
Yep, sometimes there are lemons in the bunch.
But....for the dollar, they're hard to beat.
there's my two cents.
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I have now, and have owned multiple UTG scopes. Currently have Glass reticles on all but the newer Bugbuster (which has a thinner wire reticle than the previous model - plus side whee!)They are very good value for money! I have had Hawke scopes (which I think are nice) but for a decent BUDGET scope, the UTG are great.
Also, I had a problem with an older Bugbuster scope, and I sent it to UTG (without a receipt) and they replaced it with a brand new one! So, in as far as their warranty - They stand behind it.
My opinion + 1 penny makes 3 cents!
Cheers
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Thanks all, I have had the scope for a little over two weeks now and it has performed nicely. I rarely use the illuminated reticle. But it did not work at first. It was not until I put the battery in 'just so' that it started working and still works.
I thought I had some issues at first but that turned out to be the shooter and the gun combination. Horrible grouping. I put it on another springer and it performed much better.
Cant wait to put it on the new PCP I have on the way :D
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I have 3 Accushots, 1 with etched reticle, all hold zero and perform well. Largest gripe is stiff AO, but side wheels are available < $15 (don't know how some manufacturers charge $50 and more for wheels).
There is an accushot with etched reticle and internal bubble scope to control cant, awesome for long/loopy shots.
https://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Bubble-4-16x56-36-Color-Mil-Dot/dp/B01LYZLCXI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549406709&sr=8-3&keywords=accushot+scope+4-16 (https://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Bubble-4-16x56-36-Color-Mil-Dot/dp/B01LYZLCXI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1549406709&sr=8-3&keywords=accushot+scope+4-16)
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Huh, thought I responded to this earlier.. oh well.
I have had the scope for about two weeks now and it seems to work quite well. I thought it had issues at first but it turned out to be the shooter and gun. Moved it to another springer and it works fine. I hardly ever use the illuminated reticle but its nice to have. It did not work at first I had to install the battery 'just so' for it to work... now I don't use it :P
Cant wait to try this scope on the PCP I have on the way!
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Just came across this post. I've both the standard, lowest priced 3-12 UTG with the wire reticle and the compact, etched glass version. That's my "go to" scope and it works great on the ProSport. My experience has been positive, no issues with any of the UTG/Leapers scopes I have. My general purpose one is a simple 35 yard parallax 4X32 with mildot reticle. I've got three of those and use them on my lower powered rifles. That scope works great for general purpose shooting out to 50 yards or so. But the 3-12X44 SWAT with etched glass is my favorite. I had the 4-16 with the front parallax adjustable objective and didn't care for it. Maybe I need to try the one with the side wheel.
Anyway, still satisfied with your purchase?
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Oh yea, it's on the Aspen right now and it is quite bright and crisp. I am glad I got it on a PCP rifle because chasing the zero around on my springers was getting frustrating. At least I found out it was me and not the scope. :P
Only quirk is that the zero seems to wander from one day to the next.
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Oh yea, it's on the Aspen right now and it is quite bright and crisp. I am glad I got it on a PCP rifle because chasing the zero around on my springers was getting frustrating. At least I found out it was me and not the scope. :P
Only quirk is that the zero seems to wander from one day to the next.
I'm not familiar with the Aspen, but some PCP's tend to do that. It can be a barrel band or the shroud that gets bumped out of alignment. Quite frustrating, I'm sure.
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Its the same as the nova freedom. The shroud slips over some sort of plastic bushings that center the barrel. So maybe it can move when set up over a couple of days.
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Its the same as the nova freedom. The shroud slips over some sort of plastic bushings that center the barrel. So maybe it can move when set up over a couple of days.
Yes, indeed. Hence the reason for never resting a shrouded gun where there is pressure against the shroud. One can also inadvertently bump them and mess up the alignment as well.
Ribbonstone did a post a while back about one of his rifles that he set up as a "jeep gun" and did a lot of testing to ensure that that first shot would be on target. Don't recall the details off the top of my head, but that's a goal most of us have - to place that first shot into the same group as the last shot before we stored the rifle. Hope you get it sorted out.