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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: ar6man on April 26, 2021, 04:57:26 PM
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I've tried for a few weeks now to get both JSB Match Diabolo Exact King pellets in .25 and JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo Heavy in .22 Cal from Pyramyd Air with no luck. No stock... I tried again today and Pyramyd Air is showing out of stock and that the item is past due for both... I took a look on Amazon and from what I see there Jeff Bezos is doing some major price gouging as their prices are just about 50% to 100% more than what Pyramyd would charge... Are we going through an airgun ammo shortage now too that I wasn't aware of?
Charlie in CT
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It's the lead. It is the same thing for powder burners, the main component is lead.
There are a few places to look, and you have to be quick and grab as much as you can.
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most of the listings on Amazon that are gouging are marketplace sellers, not Amazon, in fact a lot of them buy the pellets from Amazon and then re-list them, if you follow the listings regularly you can see it happen in almost real time, Amazon goes out of stock, and boom, a new market place listing.
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Shooters pre-ordered and big time so when PA (and others) got their last truckload in, those pre-orders got filled and shipped first. Seen mention on several forums from shooters who went nuts pre-ordering anywhere from a sleeve to a whole case or more to get what they were after.
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Crazy times indeed...
JSB has been out of stock for months.
But the FX and AA pellets were still available. Same place, same machine, same die, same price.... different label ;)
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Crazy times indeed...
JSB has been out of stock for months.
But the FX and AA pellets were still available. Same place, same machine, same die, same price.... different label ;)
Not quite the same dies, there's minor differences, but close enough at least on the FX versions...lol
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I've tried for a few weeks now to get both JSB Match Diabolo Exact King pellets in .25 and JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo Heavy in .22 Cal from Pyramyd Air with no luck. No stock... I tried again today and Pyramyd Air is showing out of stock and that the item is past due for both... I took a look on Amazon and from what I see there Jeff Bezos is doing some major price gouging as their prices are just about 50% to 100% more than what Pyramyd would charge... Are we going through an airgun ammo shortage now too that I wasn't aware of?
Charlie in CT
Yes, but not for any of the various reasons I've seen mentioned in this and other threads.
The problem has nothing at all to do with materials, powder burners, or Amazon. The thing is that JSB pellets are imported, and the ports themselves are weeks and weeks behind in offloading cargo ships. The pellets got ordered, but they'll be sitting in shipping containers for much longer than "normal" (whatever that is anymore). The glut extends far beyond the docks, tying up everything from customs to intermodal rail shipping. Bottom line is that oodles of consumer goods simply aren't going to restock in "normal" (there's that word again...) time this year and no-one's going to unstick it all any time soon.
(I work for a logistics company, servicing some very large manufacturers, it's not a pretty picture.)
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If you have ANYTHING to back that up I am interested!
MonkeyMan himself reported they are all the same... and he works for Predator International.
The thing I found interesting though all this is that while JSB were out of stock.. FX from the same factory were always available. 15g and 18g...at the same price... and both shoot better in my guns.
FX pellets are single die while JSB are multi die. So naturally the FX are holding a higher standard than JSB. They are literally the same in all ways but the die.
Well actually...this is straight from JSB...
"There is no difference between JSB and FX pellets at all. Both brands are made on the same dies. FX pellets are made on multiple dies but never mixed into one tin or case just like any other pellets from our factory."
How do I know? I work at Predator International.
Joe
Interesting Joe
What would explain the FX shooting considerably better groups that the JSB's on the same day, same gun?
It wasn't a one time affair either.... In both the 15g and 18g sizes.
Maybe I just got an exceptional lot of FX tins?
It can be a lot of things. Lot#, new die vs old die, your rifle's likes and dislikes.
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I saw on Fox bushiness where there is a world wide shortage of shipping containers,... and when they do get delivered,... they just sit because there is not enough truck drivers to move them out of the docks. :-\
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I've tried for a few weeks now to get both JSB Match Diabolo Exact King pellets in .25 and JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo Heavy in .22 Cal from Pyramyd Air with no luck. No stock... I tried again today and Pyramyd Air is showing out of stock and that the item is past due for both... I took a look on Amazon and from what I see there Jeff Bezos is doing some major price gouging as their prices are just about 50% to 100% more than what Pyramyd would charge... Are we going through an airgun ammo shortage now too that I wasn't aware of?
Charlie in CT
Yes, but not for any of the various reasons I've seen mentioned in this and other threads.
The problem has nothing at all to do with materials, powder burners, or Amazon. The thing is that JSB pellets are imported, and the ports themselves are weeks and weeks behind in offloading cargo ships. The pellets got ordered, but they'll be sitting in shipping containers for much longer than "normal" (whatever that is anymore). The glut extends far beyond the docks, tying up everything from customs to intermodal rail shipping. Bottom line is that oodles of consumer goods simply aren't going to restock in "normal" (there's that word again...) time this year and no-one's going to unstick it all any time soon.
(I work for a logistics company, servicing some very large manufacturers, it's not a pretty picture.)
I have to agree with George. The company I work for imports parts by the container. There have been so many delays for the last year due to port congestion.
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I saw on Fox bushiness where there is a world wide shortage of shipping containers,... and when they do get delivered,... they just sit because there is not enough truck drivers to move them out of the docks. :-\
Welcome to my world.
IF we get the raw materials to make our product... there is no containers (cardboard) to ship it out in.
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most of the listings on Amazon that are gouging are marketplace sellers, not Amazon, in fact a lot of them buy the pellets from Amazon and then re-list them, if you follow the listings regularly you can see it happen in almost real time, Amazon goes out of stock, and boom, a new market place listing.
I took a closer look and you're quite right.
Charlie in CT
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Wow! Lots of various opinions as to why there's a shortage of JSB's! Guess I better do a pre-order somewhere... I hate having to horde...
Charlie in CT
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If you have ANYTHING to back that up I am interested!
MonkeyMan himself reported they are all the same... and he works for Predator International.
The thing I found interesting though all this is that while JSB were out of stock.. FX from the same factory were always available. 15g and 18g...at the same price... and both shoot better in my guns.
FX pellets are single die while JSB are multi die. So naturally the FX are holding a higher standard than JSB. They are literally the same in all ways but the die.
Well actually...this is straight from JSB...
"There is no difference between JSB and FX pellets at all. Both brands are made on the same dies. FX pellets are made on multiple dies but never mixed into one tin or case just like any other pellets from our factory."
How do I know? I work at Predator International.
Joe
Interesting Joe
What would explain the FX shooting considerably better groups that the JSB's on the same day, same gun?
It wasn't a one time affair either.... In both the 15g and 18g sizes.
Maybe I just got an exceptional lot of FX tins?
It can be a lot of things. Lot#, new die vs old die, your rifle's likes and dislikes.
I'm well aware of who he works for. I own most of them and while I haven't checked all, I've been into the .25's with 6 rifles between break barrels and PCP's. Pics are of the dish on both. FX is on the left, JSB on the right and the FX pellets do have a shallower dish on them. My JSB's a probly a year old so maybe something's been tweaked since then? Don't know but there is a difference between the 2. Doesn't seem to be a very noticeable difference in accuracy between the 2, but I'm just getting started playing with them so the jury is still out on that part.
I'll have to get the other calibers out, see if I have matches in JSB and compare those too.
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Likely are slight differences in the production for AA, FX, and the home branded JSB’s. IF you’re lucky, rifle may shoot as well regardless of the logo on the tin.
It’s not a great time for a “pellet picky” air gun that only shoots one or two pellets well or a shooter that only wants to shoot ONE particular pellet.
Have been shooting up the orphan pellets...those left over tins of pellets that were like 3rd or 4th place when we had the choice of using 1st place pellets. Took about a year of lock-down to shoot most of those.
Now that I’m just about empty of not-so-good pellets, really intend NOT to buy more untested pellets just to hope they’ll shoot well. Actually pleased to have at last gotten some use out of tins that had been ignored for years.
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May hate PA...may love them….aren’t the only dealer, but do suspect they are the LARGEST pellet dealer, so they make a good way to compare what’s available.
Just pick the “only show in stock” option. So far, PA has been pretty good about having what they claim is in stock. Can take the "pre-order" as meaning they expect to get a shipment reasonably soon. If the option is only "information", can take that to mean they haven't tried to order any yet.
.177 has eased up. Prices higher, but a decent selection of pellets (including JSB/AA/s). Probably not old stock, they weren’t there a few months ago. Being an European pellet maker, likely a reason that .177 has the most offerings.
5mm is more screwed than ever. Have more than enough put away; won’t be scrounging.
.22. Have no idea if some of what is shown is old stock...no JSB’s currently….lot of H&N’s. Ordered some Baracudas...at least two rifles really like them. The ones that don’t like them just won’t get shot.
.25 isn’t doing real well, no JSB’s (although I noticed the Crosman are back). Have enough good ammo stashed that I’ll just pass for now (still have some orphans to shoot up).
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Other thought is….likely some aren’t coming back any time soon (or at all).
Pellet makers can sell whatever they manage to produce/ship at this time….I’d certainly put my efforts towards the highest demand items and NOT waste production time for the low demand items.
So if you are waiting for some odd ball design that didn’t sell in large numbers before the shortage, you may have a long wait.
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I've been watching the up and down pellet availability and you just said the same thing I have on several occasions, Ribs. Comes down to either let your guns sit idle waiting for those must have pellets, or see what else you can find to make do and at least shoot during the wait. I'm not hurting but my stash of pellets has been 6 years in the making and even having to sit idle the better part of a year with the shoulder issues, I still tried to buy a couple here, couple there all that time along with grabbing a couple of each when new stuff came out.
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My suggestion is to pre order as many tins as you can afford. I'm not talking about 6-8 tins either. Buy once, cry once. You might have to wait awhile, but you won't have to check weekly to see if pellets are in stock. The pellet shortage and pricing are probably not going to get better any time soon. I hope everyone finds the pellets they're looking for
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I saw on Fox bushiness where there is a world wide shortage of shipping containers,... and when they do get delivered,... they just sit because there is not enough truck drivers to move them out of the docks. :-\
This is exactly the case of the shortage.
So the prices of shipping containers went through the roof. From what I understand x6 even. You can count on it that pellets will become very, very EXPENSIVE in the near future....
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I have not had any trouble getting pellets. There is not a place near me that sells decent pellets, so I have always ordered it. I shoot a lot of.20 & just place a order once I see that I am getting low. I do NOT order from Amazon since they do not know how to pack items .
There are several good sites to buy ammo, so just place an order several weeks ahead of time .
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For any company with the means this would be the perfect time to start a domestic pellet production business. Although Crosman is an American supplier they don’t treat the pellet segment as a core piece of their business and as far as I can tell there are no American pellets that compete directly in performance with JSB. Sure, Crosmans shoot well in some guns, but not as well and in as many guns as JSBs do. Take into account that Crosman has been eliminating some of their brown box single die offerings and the opportunity set for new competitors should be enticing.
-Marty
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Here's what I get (https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-cra054/images/stencil/608x608/products/126/391/55_lbs._of_LEAD-2__12725.1573825680.jpg?c=2)
I'm also looking at the Harbor Freight hammer drills because after 3 years of hand chiselling hunks off having to wear ear plugs is getting old.
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For any company with the means this would be the perfect time to start a domestic pellet production business....
-Marty
How about like this?
https://vogelusa.com/
Vogel USA is under new ownership. The equipment and machinery underwent an upgrade and the pellets are proudly made in the USA. New machinery was also added to the company. Our facility is based in Colorado Springs, CO.
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We manufacture pellets in the USA with entirely USA sourced materials. Our raw materials, tooling and more are all MADE IN THE USA. We support US based manufacturing. Our quality control procedures include six-sigma DMAIC procedures. We are also ISO 9001:2015 Certified
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Thanks for the info on Vogel. That is good to know.
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For any company with the means this would be the perfect time to start a domestic pellet production business....
-Marty
How about like this?
https://vogelusa.com/
Vogel USA is under new ownership. The equipment and machinery underwent an upgrade and the pellets are proudly made in the USA. New machinery was also added to the company. Our facility is based in Colorado Springs, CO.
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We manufacture pellets in the USA with entirely USA sourced materials. Our raw materials, tooling and more are all MADE IN THE USA. We support US based manufacturing. Our quality control procedures include six-sigma DMAIC procedures. We are also ISO 9001:2015 Certified
That's great news! I was not aware of them. I hope they release some dome nose pellets too.
-Marty
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I found this interesting article on how lots are decided while doing some research on Vogel:
https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=133138
-Marty
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Vogel appears to have decided it's success lay in .177 wad cutters ")
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I want to visit a pellet making plant. It sounds like lots of fun watching the pellets get made.
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Ok, so I'm gonna step into the ring. Containers are coming tomorrow. The dock congestion is real bad, also we were suppose to have the containers this past Monday, then today. Our containers weren't even off the train yet. But they are "coming" tomorrow...at least that's what they told us
Joe
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Thanks for the update Joe.
Certainly hoping for the best to you!
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Last time a shipment wandered through, the huge amount of pre-orders pretty much had it wiped out before some, if any, actually hit a warehouse shelf, soooooo..........
How many people saw that, still are and ran off to place huge pre-orders in hopes it would be them getting pellets this time??
Blunt and very (one of my faults, I call it like I see it), but very likely what happened and still is...lol
Good luck kids...may pellets be coming your way :)
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People are hoarding all types of ammo, including pellets. I don’t use a lot of .177 & .22, but I shoot a lot of .20 to keep my Sheridans happy. I don’t buy a case at a time, but usually buy several tins at a time , to get the best price.
I encourage others to do the same so that we can all enjoy the sport.
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Maybe the US can just by the Czech Republic...that should fix it.
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If you have ANYTHING to back that up I am interested!
MonkeyMan himself reported they are all the same... and he works for Predator International.
The thing I found interesting though all this is that while JSB were out of stock.. FX from the same factory were always available. 15g and 18g...at the same price... and both shoot better in my guns.
FX pellets are single die while JSB are multi die. So naturally the FX are holding a higher standard than JSB. They are literally the same in all ways but the die.
Well actually...this is straight from JSB...
"There is no difference between JSB and FX pellets at all. Both brands are made on the same dies. FX pellets are made on multiple dies but never mixed into one tin or case just like any other pellets from our factory."
How do I know? I work at Predator International.
Joe
Interesting Joe
What would explain the FX shooting considerably better groups that the JSB's on the same day, same gun?
It wasn't a one time affair either.... In both the 15g and 18g sizes.
Maybe I just got an exceptional lot of FX tins?
It can be a lot of things. Lot#, new die vs old die, your rifle's likes and dislikes.
I'm well aware of who he works for. I own most of them and while I haven't checked all, I've been into the .25's with 6 rifles between break barrels and PCP's. Pics are of the dish on both. FX is on the left, JSB on the right and the FX pellets do have a shallower dish on them. My JSB's a probly a year old so maybe something's been tweaked since then? Don't know but there is a difference between the 2. Doesn't seem to be a very noticeable difference in accuracy between the 2, but I'm just getting started playing with them so the jury is still out on that part.
I'll have to get the other calibers out, see if I have matches in JSB and compare those too.
When I replenished my supply of JSB 15.89 a year or so ago, I had to adjust my scopes, the point of impact was way off. Noticed the newer pellets had thicker skirts. Seem just as accurate as the older pellets.
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I generally don't buy in bulk and I can only think of 2 times I ever bought more than 8 tins at a time. Go back a few years ago when Walmart was selling H&N Sniper Medium .177's for the unheard of price of $5.26 a tin and I bought 20 (worked out in the end since they're no longer made), then a year or so ago when PA was selling 200 count tins of the H&N Baracuda Hunters for $3.99 a tin and I bought 10.
I won't say what the current stash is up to, but as mentioned before, it's taken me 6 years of buy a few here, buy a few there to build what I have.
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Regardless of shortage status, they'll never be as cheap in the future as they are right now.
And that can be applied to anything. If I know I'll use it eventually, I'd rather pay today prices than tomorrow prices. And that's not even taking info consideration that tomorrow it may not be available, for any price.
Hoarder mentality? Perhaps. But I like knowing I've got a decent stock built up, regardless of what happens in the future that's out of my control.
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Regardless of shortage status, they'll never be as cheap in the future as they are right now.
And that can be applied to anything. If I know I'll use it eventually, I'd rather pay today prices than tomorrow prices. And that's not even taking info consideration that tomorrow it may not be available, for any price.
Hoarder mentality? Perhaps. But I like knowing I've got a decent stock built up, regardless of what happens in the future that's out of my control.
OUTSTANDING POINT!
I have been preaching this at work.
Once the market determines a consumer will accept a price increase, THAT sets the trend for future sales... regardless.
I work in a plastic compounding facility. PVC resin has had price increases across the globe. It is CRAZY expensive IF you can find it.
We have to pass those raw componant prices onto our customers.
You think (if) this settles down we are going to LOWER our price that they are willingly pay for now?
::)
Remember when you (stoners) could buy a QP for $90, sell three OZ for $30 and keep one for free?
Those days are LOOOOONG gone... because those (us) people PAID up.
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Scott,
Well,.... that is "one" analogy! ::)
;)
I can not relate. Well?,... maybe?,...............
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#realitycheck
Thank goodness those days ended in the late 1980's for me.
When a 1/4 oz hit $40 I tapped out. ;)
I literally have no idea what Mary Jane sells for now... let alone a "lid"
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All those years (back in the day) trying to get U.S. students to understand metric weights.....then I noticed that the "stoners" were making "A's" on the tests.
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28=1,
14=1/2
7=1/4
I baffle people with how fast I can calculate that yet today. ::)
A US .05 cent nickle on a "pocket balance scale" was close enough for Jazz. ;)
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#realitycheck
Thank goodness those days ended in the late 1980's for me.
When a 1/4 oz hit $40 I tapped out. ;)
I literally have no idea what Mary Jane sells for now... let alone a "lid"
Some girl named Mary selling pellets by the pound? Mmmm, never mind.
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It's the lead.....
I very much doubt that, lead prices have been stable for the past 5 years and no shortages show on my futures forecast.
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It's the supply ........and demand......
(Couldn't resist)
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Thinking it's more an Evergreen thing. That freighter had shipping blocked for weeks and once they got it loose, ports all over are now flooded with ships trying to get to a dock to unload and docks overloaded with shipping containers they're trying to get trucked out to where they need to go.
Likely also where all those now hard to find rifles also are. Sitting in shipping containers waiting on a dock somewhere to finally be trucked out to where they should have been a month+ ago.
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#realitycheck
Thank goodness those days ended in the late 1980's for me.
When a 1/4 oz hit $40 I tapped out. ;)
I literally have no idea what Mary Jane sells for now... let alone a "lid"
Hey Scott, the local dispensary near me still sells $45 quarters...but don't ask me how I know - let's just say someone in our family keeps up with that kind of stuff. ;)
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As far as a pellet shortage in general.... I've found some brands showing up at Academy Sports that I haven't seen previously. I suppose to make up for low supply from their regular vendors. "Geco" .177 that are identical to RWS Basic. They were cheap, so I got six tins, 3,000 rounds. Then yesterday they had some 22 wadcutters branded "Norma". Same colors on the label, obvious RWS product, rebranded. Not so cheap at 5.99 for 200, I bought three tins anyway.
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If it's the same Norma brand as I buy for 17HMRs they are good. I've been itching to try some Norma pellets.
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Anyone have any reliable info on when some jsb will actually get to the USA? Also whatever happened to the PDG line of pellets?? They seem to have vanished
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It's the lead.....
I very much doubt that, lead prices have been stable for the past 5 years and no shortages show on my futures forecast.
I am reading that on many other forums as well about the lead. The cost of extracting, processing, shipment, and demand has gone up.
Whatever the reason it is, it stinks for everyone.
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All those years (back in the day) trying to get U.S. students to understand metric weights.....then I noticed that the "stoners" were making "A's" on the tests.
LOL Ribs isn't applied math a great learning device ???
Something I learned as a youth, when I had a chance to get pellets that I saved up for, "Farm Boy" seems strange now I think of it I should of got paid for the pesting I did. any how I knew how long my ration of pellets would last, but would buy as much as I could afford and shoot them accordingly.
Now as I acquire guns, find their favorite ammo, then stock up so that gun has what I estimate to be a as long as I own the gun Supply, not all at once but gradually nice when some guns like the same pellet, I just get more of them.
Also added the ability to make much of my own ammo so now really do not buy many pellets, all in baby steps. Real bummer for the new to airgun crowd, and the ones that last time they played with their airgun there were plenty of everything to be had, with the currant shortages, they have happened before and may just happen again,
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It's the lead.....
I very much doubt that, lead prices have been stable for the past 5 years and no shortages show on my futures forecast.
I am reading that on many other forums as well about the lead. The cost of extracting, processing, shipment, and demand has gone up.
Whatever the reason it is, it stinks for everyone.
Nope, steady futures, extraction is continuing, demand is very low and recycling is at an all time high. You may be reading some bad info, the bullet and pellet industry is nominal to the lead future board.
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Anyone have any reliable info on when some jsb will actually get to the USA? Also whatever happened to the PDG line of pellets?? They seem to have vanished
Least according to a post from MonkeyDad, who works for Predator, they're expecting at least a shipping container any time now. Might well already have it and be sorting out shipments to retailers. Your next problem will be how many shooters pre-ordered and in what crazy amounts because retailers that allow for pre-ordering will fill those orders first.
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Anyone have any reliable info on when some jsb will actually get to the USA? Also whatever happened to the PDG line of pellets?? They seem to have vanished
Least according to a post from MonkeyDad, who works for Predator, they're expecting at least a shipping container any time now. Might well already have it and be sorting out shipments to retailers. Your next problem will be how many shooters pre-ordered and in what crazy amounts because retailers that allow for pre-ordering will fill those orders first.
It's going to be a real @$%^ show for the next several months as manufacturing picks up, shipping catches up and demand calms down. Personally, I'm waiting for small rifle primers to show up again.
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The only pellets that can be bought locally are CPHP, and they were getting scarce. Bought some a few weeks ago and the shelves were full. Both of my rifles shoot them really well so that’s what I use unless I am keeping score.
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The only pellets that can be bought locally are CPHP, and they were getting scarce. Bought some a few weeks ago and the shelves were full. Both of my rifles shoot them really well so that’s what I use unless I am keeping score.
CPHP's are regularly stocked at all.... 3 of the wally-worlds I visit. I may have sent a tin or two to Hawaii in the past few months too.
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Casting is, for me, central to being able to enjoy the hobby. I keep a few tins of commercial pellets around for when im too lazy to cast.
I don't think i'd enjoy it much if i had to constantly hunt for and purchase projectiles... it feels a little like a cell phone - the cost of the phone is nothing compared to what you shell out over time for call time and data
For me half of the appeal of airguns (other than not needing to go to a range) is the "closed loop" nature of the whole thing. Dont need a constant supply of casings, primers, powder... using air and recycling projectiles is nice. All you need is heat to melt lead and the ability to work a pump.
I would like to find a .177 mold so i could enjoy that caliber
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#realitycheck
Thank goodness those days ended in the late 1980's for me.
When a 1/4 oz hit $40 I tapped out. ;)
I literally have no idea what Mary Jane sells for now... let alone a "lid"
Hey Scott, the local dispensary near me still sells $45 quarters...but don't ask me how I know - let's just say someone in our family keeps up with that kind of stuff. ;)
Online pricing/ordering/delivery is available more than few dispensaries in CO, booming business, pricing depends on product and quality, medical is generally cheaper than recreational, you need the card to purchase medical.
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Hey Mister, a detailed post or good sources of info on how to get into casting would be helpful and interesting. Are .177 molds harder to find as that is what I would need?
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Here is most of what has been written so far . . . https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0)
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I need me some JSBs. My Walther Parrus .22 really (really) likes the JSB 15.89 5.52mm. I’m down to just a few under 500 pellets, which I never really let myself run that low. I had them on order, but when they missed the arrival date, I changed my order for 8 tins of the H&N Baracuda 18s (I also want to try the JSB 18.13 5.52mm). I took the chance because I actually ordered 8 tins of other pellets, so I got 4 tins of the 18s free, essentially I paid $28 for the 8 tins of H&N 18s. Well they shot like doodoo. 2.3” group at 30 meters with open sights. And actually, the more groups I shot the worse it got. One group opened up to 4”. They just don’t fit in the leade like 5.52mm. Maybe if they come out with a 5.53mm they’d fit. I cleaned the barrel, went and grabbed the JSBs I have left, adjusted the sights and got a 5/8” group at 30 meters. I’m putting that rifle up until I can acquire at least 2,000 JSB 15.89 gr. 5.52mm. Then I’ll get some AA & FX versions to try as well and the 18-18.13 gr. variety to try too, but JSB 5.52mm first.
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As far as a pellet shortage in general.... I've found some brands showing up at Academy Sports that I haven't seen previously. I suppose to make up for low supply from their regular vendors. "Geco" .177 that are identical to RWS Basic. They were cheap, so I got six tins, 3,000 rounds. Then yesterday they had some 22 wadcutters branded "Norma". Same colors on the label, obvious RWS product, rebranded. Not so cheap at 5.99 for 200, I bought three tins anyway.
Terry, I found some .177 RWS wad cutters in a small sporting goods store so bought a tin. They had a lot on the shelf. Thought I’d try em first. Boy, glad I did. They shotgun at 15yds from my Daystate Regal. I was surprised and bummed. Around $11 a tin for 500.
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Received an email yesterday morning from PA, the JSB 15.89 gr. 5.52mm domes were in. Ordered 4- 500 count tins. Hoping they’ll ship tomorrow. ;D
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I got that email too. Yes I do want those .22 hades pellets pre ordered 6 or 7 weeks ago!
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I decided to stay with CPHP pellets for the .22 and cast for the .25 until things calm down. I have JSB's in the cabinet and they do shoot VERY well but will reserve them for pesting should that be an issue.
Starlings are the only "pest" I have right now and they are nearly the size of my Blue Jays!
Good luck guys, I hope the tins come in good shape.
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Check with Tony at Talon Tunes, he just got a shipment in.
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Pleased some of you are breaking the JSB fixation….may find turds, may find gold...never real;ly know until you shoot them.
Just keeping track of the “big boys” in on-line JSB pellet selling. Just keeping track of the “buy now” buttons, not the “pre-order” or “information” buttons.
They did get a shipment ofr JSB .22’s and .25’s….not everything, but 2-3 choices in .22 and .25.
It’s down to1-2 choices inside of a couple of days….
So likely it was a small shipment…will watch it and see how long it takes to go from “buy now” to “pre-order”….but it looks like a smaller shipment as they are running out on “order now”.
1. JSB is making and shipping pellets.
2. Demand after a shortage is sucking up the shipments fast (it’s like the Toliet paper C-19).
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I exclusively buy from AoA. They always have what I need. Just ordered some JSB 18grs....got 5 coming inbound today I think
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I just ordered 4 tins from PA.
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My order for the 15.89s shipped today, should be here Thursday. I’ll be happy if they’re here by Friday.
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Ok, so I'm gonna step into the ring. Containers are coming tomorrow. The dock congestion is real bad, also we were suppose to have the containers this past Monday, then today. Our containers weren't even off the train yet. But they are "coming" tomorrow...at least that's what they told us
Joe
Monkeydad, when you say "containers" are you referring to the actual tins the pellets go in?????
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Ok, so I'm gonna step into the ring. Containers are coming tomorrow. The dock congestion is real bad, also we were suppose to have the containers this past Monday, then today. Our containers weren't even off the train yet. But they are "coming" tomorrow...at least that's what they told us
Joe
Monkeydad, when you say "containers" are you referring to the actual tins the pellets go in?????
From my discussions with Joe,
The containers he is referring to are the shipping containers that the pallets of pellets in the tins are shipped in.
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Ok, so I'm gonna step into the ring. Containers are coming tomorrow. The dock congestion is real bad, also we were suppose to have the containers this past Monday, then today. Our containers weren't even off the train yet. But they are "coming" tomorrow...at least that's what they told us
Joe
Monkeydad, when you say "containers" are you referring to the actual tins the pellets go in?????
From my discussions with Joe,
The containers he is referring to are the shipping containers that the pallets of pellets in the tins are shipped in.
Ok thanks for the clarification. It just got me to thinking about tins and packaging. It would be like having eggs to sell and no egg cartons!
Peace and shipping grease
Fuss
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Trenier Outdoors has some JSB pellets. I'll buy from them before any others. Just sayin'....
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Trenier Outdoors has some JSB pellets. I'll buy from them before any others. Just sayin'....
Looks like he's out again.
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Not looking for JSB's right now, but got curious and fired up the Google. Besides the usual Amazon and fleabay trollers there were several reputable dealers [AoA, PyA, AirDepot, Utah] popping up and and showing plenty of availability. Looks like the containers are in.
:)
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Trenier Outdoors has some JSB pellets. I'll buy from them before any others. Just sayin'....
Looks like he's out again.
Depends on which ones you might want. Got an email from Jeff earlier saying he had the .177 10.34gr pellets in stock. Not a clue about any others he may have gotten.
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Trenier Outdoors has some JSB pellets. I'll buy from them before any others. Just sayin'....
Greg, got the same email saying he had the ones I had him notify me about...put an order in, max order is 5 tins for the ones I purchased.
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Trenier Outdoors has some JSB pellets. I'll buy from them before any others. Just sayin'....
Looks like he's out again.
Depends on which ones you might want. Got an email from Jeff earlier saying he had the .177 10.34gr pellets in stock. Not a clue about any others he may have gotten.
This is the email,
Dear Dan ,
I wanted to let you know that the JSB Match Exact .177 Cal., 7.33 Grains is now in stock. https://www.trenieroutdoors.com/ammo/jsb/jsb-match-exact-177-cal-7-33-grains-domed/ (https://www.trenieroutdoors.com/ammo/jsb/jsb-match-exact-177-cal-7-33-grains-domed/)
Thank you,
Trenier Outdoors
I checked and it showed he was out of them.
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Greg might have bought them all...lol.
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Greg might have bought them all...lol.
No problem. I was just wanting to try them in my R7.
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I still have 3 tins of each of my favs from JSB, Ill wait a bit before buying a sleeve but I may try Trenier next time and see what the price difference is. PA has been very good to me so far but prices can be a little high. 8)
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I received notification yesterday that Trenier has gotten some JSB's in stock. Not sure of everything, but he did get 18.13 gr and 25.39 gr in .22 and the 44 and 50 gr in .30. Hopefully, this is a sign that the logistics bottlenecks are starting to open...
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Not exactly JSB's but made by them. I ordered four tins of Air Arms Diablo Field 8.44's at the beginning of this week from PA and tracking info has them out for delivery today. I can't complain about that. Pellets are out there. You just have to look around. The only problem is that some of our finickier guns insist on a particular pellet that might be hard to find.
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Greg might have bought them all...lol.
Nope. Greg had purchased 5 tins of 7.33 and 5 tins of 7.87 from Krale, along with an HW30S, the night before.
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4 tins from PA arrived today! Just in time for the weekend. I hadn’t run out yet, though... I have a tin & half of the 250 counts left. ;D
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4 tins from PA arrived today! Just in time for the weekend. I hadn’t run out yet, though... I have a tin & half of the 250 counts left. ;D
Hey I got my own order just now about 5 minutes ago, so I sure know that feeling of, "Whew, just in time!"
Right, Cap? ;D
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4 tins from PA arrived today! Just in time for the weekend. I hadn’t run out yet, though... I have a tin & half of the 250 counts left. ;D
Hey I got my own order just now about 5 minutes ago, so I sure know that feeling of, "Whew, just in time!"
Right, Cap? ;D
Yes Sir!!!
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4 tins from PA arrived today! Just in time for the weekend. I hadn’t run out yet, though... I have a tin & half of the 250 counts left. ;D
Pyramid must have gone on a shipping spree. Mine arrived right on schedule today. These will go towards building my stash. I wasn't really low. But I recently discovered that my D34 likes these Air Arms Diablo Fields 8.44's.
Hey I got my own order just now about 5 minutes ago, so I sure know that feeling of, "Whew, just in time!"
Right, Cap? ;D
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Trenier Outdoor received a shipment of JSB's, Jeff's been updating inventory on his website.
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Just got 2500 rounds of JSB Heavy Exacts 18.13gr pellets.