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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: gloob on February 26, 2022, 01:26:20 PM
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First impression when I took my Hatsan Alpha out of the box? It doesn't look the picture. Turns out I got the new Alpha, with the plastic shroud and plastic weaver rail.
Way harder to cock than I anticipated. And loud! Even after it stopped dieseling, this rifle is as loud as most high power rifles. And here's why. This rifle is high power!
My other 500 fps airguns won't penetrate a plastic bottle. The pellets bounce back. This rifle zips a wadcutter through a bottle, and the bottle barely even moves! My 1377's can't do that at 10 pumps; the pellet only penetrates one side. I reckon this rifle must be doing at least 650 fps!?
I wanted a low power, quiet rifle, for indoor and backyard shooting. This ain't it. Fortunately, I have a couple of others, already. I just wanted another so I could have the trifecta. Scope, dot, and open sights!
Did I receive an anomaly? From all the reviews I have read, this is not normal for the Alpha. At least not the old one. Is the new Alpha giving people "more" than they advertise, or did they build mine wrong?
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I have a couple older Alphas. They are mini-Striker rifles shooting ~500fps (177 @ 7.9 grain). The new version is supposed to more like a mini-Airtact, but that should still shoot around 500fps.
I don't have the "new" Alpha so cannot confirm performance. Elevated performance from factory lubrication dieseling is expected but you state dieseling is done and cocking effort is higher than expected.
Sounds like maybe the wrong spring was installed?? I didn't think it would fit, but maybe someone installed a Striker/Edge spring by mistake?
Did the rifle come directly from Hatsan or a distributor?
Was it sold as new or refurbished?
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Thanks for the input.
It's new, sold by Walmart. They actually list it as 450 fps. I doublechecked this on Hatsan website, which says 650 alloy, 500 lead. I'm shooting 7.5 grain lead wadcutters. I tried some 10.5 grain Premiers, and they are just as loud.
Yeah, the dieseling stopped after 80 or so shots. And all tests were done afterward on the same bottles. Also shot a piece of 3/4" plywood. This rifle buries the pellets so deep you can't see them and can feel a slight dent on the back. But no exit hole like with my full power 177's. My other 500 fps springers only leave a dent in the same piece.
This was so shocking to me, that I had to double check the box (Hatsan box, but no model), the manual (generic Hatsan manual) and the gun. The only thing that indicates it's an Alpha is the laser engraving on top of the compression cylinder, behind the rear sight. And it is definitely short and light like a feather and it matches the pictures I find online of the new Alpha.
It still smokes a pellet through a plastic soda bottle like styrofoam after leaving it cocked for a couple hours. It's cocked right now, in the garage. Maybe I'll leave it for a day and see. The "dang" thing is that it shoots straight like it is, even though it jumps like a mule and the stock screws start to loosen after only a few shots. And I'm afraid it won't shoot right after I set the spring.
late edit: there's a sticker on the end of the box, afterall. Hatsan Alpha.... 495 fps!
This isn't what I want. But anyone interested in a 5 lb semi-disposable squirrel gun, maybe this is up your alley!
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What are your other air rifles? I'm getting the impression this may your first "springer" type rifle and the others are pumpers?
Just curious.
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Correction: Those dents in the plywood must have been from my P17. My 500 fps rifles/pistol will stick a pellet with the skirt about flush in the same board.
I'm actually a bit of a collector of low powered springers by now, because I have seasonal rats and have spent nearly a thousand dollars on exterminators.
My 500 fps springer rifles are Ruger Explorer and TR5. PA has chrony results on the TR5. My most powerful 500 fps-advertised gun is actually a gas piston pistol, made by Umarex. The name escapes me right now, but its supposedly similar to a BSA scorpion. My Explorer is the weakest of this bunch, and I've taken rats with it no problem.
The TR5 is the loudest of the 3, which is probably because of the bullpup design. But the noise it makes is a joy compared to this Alpha.
I would have loved this Alpha rifle when I was a kid, with endless woods to explore! Probably more power than a 2100 without the pumping!
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A couple more hours of being cocked, now at least 4 hours. I have read that's the sweet spot, where it is fully broken in.
Scratch my former comment. I broke out the 2100. This rifle is definitely more powerful. I'm going with the better part of 700 fps, if not more.
This seems crazy that I would be the first to notice this. Maybe my rifle IS a special screwup.
But it's still shooting straight!
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It sounds like it is about the time one needs to invest in a cheap crony ;)
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Maybe they sent the wrong gun. I haven't heard of a "NEW" Alpha. The only Hatsan I can think of with a plastic shoudded barrel and picatinny rail is an Air Tac and it's a 1000fps+ springer.
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It sounds like it is about the time one needs to invest in a cheap crony ;)
I looked at some the other day. But that leaves less money for the important things in life. Like new rifles and sights!
Sounds like you don't trust my calibration. That's understandable. It doesn't seem likely that a rifle would make twice the FPE that it's marketed as. But I have plenty of experience with many airguns over many years. Isn't it even more unlikely that all my other airguns are half the FPE everyone else is getting? Including CO2 guns?
lefteyeshot, thanks. I believe the original Alpha was similar to a Striker. But the new one is similar to an Air Tact. This rifle has "Alpha" laser engraved on it. It's actually sweet to shoot, except for the noise. Easy cocking, plenty of power. A 600-700 fps gas ram rifle would be great, but it seems like an HW30 is the only thing that kinda gets in this power level and should be relatively quieter despite still using a spring.
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Anyone with an original/old Alpha or other airgun in the 500 fps range can try this shooting a plastic beverage bottle. Not the super thin water bottles. I bet it doesn't even penetrate one side.
Using 7.5 grain wadcutters, my 1377's at 10 pumps penetrate only one side, and the pellet stays in the bottle. That should be mid to high 500's. Crosman 2100 can penetrate both sides at 10 pumps. That should be 650ish.
This Alpha is way stronger than my 2100, depth of penetration in plywood. (700/500)^2 is 1.96x the FPE as advertised, roughly.
late edit: But wear safety glasses! The pellet is going to come back in your direction pretty fast!
I don't know what the old Alpha is like, but one of the few things I really like on this rifle is the smooth chisel lock. For a cheap rifle, it breaks open and closes really easily, and the cocking force only gets high at the end of travel, which stops at barely more than 90 degrees. Cocking the rifle is really easy, considering the power. This rifle is a triumph of engineering, but also cheap. You can feel the barrel flexing when you cock it.
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If anyone has purchased and received an old/Striker Alpha, recently, let me know where and when? I'm going to make lemonade with this new Alpha, but I would still like to get an original Alpha, even if it costs a bit more.
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If anyone has purchased and received an old/Striker Alpha, recently, let me know where and when? I'm going to make lemonade with this new Alpha, but I would still like to get an original Alpha, even if it costs a bit more.
Maybe they sent the wrong gun. I haven't heard of a "NEW" Alpha. The only Hatsan I can think of with a plastic shoudded barrel and picatinny rail is an Air Tac and it's a 1000fps+ springer.
Hatsan has images of these rifle versions on their website.
Airtact
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/)
Alpha > NEW Style (mini Airtact)
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-youth-qe/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-youth-qe/)
Striker
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/_refurbished-striker-spring/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/_refurbished-striker-spring/)
Alpha > OLD Style (mini Striker)
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/_refurbished-alpha/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/_refurbished-alpha/)
Alpha > OLD Style with Harvest Mood Camo Pattern Stock
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J4UBRXQ (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J4UBRXQ)
I have the Muddy Girl Camo and Harvest Moon Camo OLD style Alphas from an Amazon clearance purge ($35 each) mid 2018.
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Ohh! Refurb would be a no brainer, but it's out of stock.
2018 was a long time ago, but since they only sell it in one color, maybe it's all the same stock of old Alpha's. Thanks. I just have to decide if I want to risk owning two new Alpha's before I order it.
Thanks for the links and time!
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Ohh! Refurb would be a no brainer, but it's out of stock.
2018 was a long time ago, but since they only sell it in one color, maybe it's all the same stock of old Alpha's. Thanks. I just have to decide if I want to risk owning two new Alpha's before I order it.
Thanks for the links and time!
Suggest you get on the Hatsan email list for when new and refurb rifles are back in stock. I'm notified when any of my favorites are back in stock. I usually get the email from Hatsan around noon (while at work) but by the time I get home around 5pm the restock is already sold out. If you get a notice for one YOU want, DON'T HESITATE!
AFAIK the Muddy Girl and Harvest Moon "CAMO" version Alphas are ALL OLD STYLE versions. If you fine ANYONE selling a CAMO version Alpha it will be the old style mostly steel rifle. The mini-Airtact "plasticky" version Alpha appears to only be available in black. If you order a black synthetic stock Alpha from a source NOT Hatsan you might receive either version.
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Thanks, MikeyB.
I wish I had read your post before I ordered. I would have probably just ordered the Harvest Moon!
I instead bought from Hatsan. They have the picture of the old one for 59.99. And then a picture of the new one for 109.99. But something tells me I'm going to get a "free upgrade." Which is ironic because Walmart sells the new one for only $50.
I already modded my first one. In case anyone is interested, the barrel shroud is not solid plastic. It's a hollow tube with a lot of space around the barrel. The barrel is 11mm OD, about 0.426-0.427". The end is threaded and there's a big nut and washer snugging it to the bottom of the fake silencer, so the barrel is under tension inside the hollow barrel shroud.
Barrel length is about 14.7". I shortened mine to about a foot. I cut the shroud back another 4 inches from the end of the new muzzle and stuck a bushing to center the barrel in the cut-end of the shroud. Then I added a custom barrel weight using 4" length of 1" OD steel tube, which matches the ID of the plastic barrel shroud. Filled with lead and interference fit to the barrel.
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So I received my second new alpha from Hatsan USA, unfortunately.
This new Alpha was about as powerful (and loud) as my first one. The only good luck is that the trigger is way better on this one. And armed with a spare, I had the confidence to figure out how to take it apart and cut down the springs.
While cutting back the spring a coil at a time, the accuracy remained good at all points, in both the original barrel and my shortened 12" barrel. I stopped on one spring at near 2100 levels of power. The other, I shortened "all the way" to completely remove all preload, about 1.3". Even at this minimum, it still has 1377 power.
Accuracy didn't seems to go wacky at any point, in either barrel length. Noise is greatly reduced, and the ping is almost gone. Stock screws hold their place much better. Still significantly louder than all my other 500 fps airguns, but not by much. And these obviously still have way more power than the rest of 'em. Now they're significantly less noisy than my full power rifles, other than maybe my NP22 which is oddly quiet.
Out the box, this new Alpha is an absolute beast in power, noise, shock. Probably shoots harder than an HW30.
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Does your gun say Edgar Brothers Alpha? they sell these in the UK and you can get them in .177 .22 and .25 maybe you ended up with one of these.
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No, mine only say Alpha. I've seen pictures of the Edgar Brothers rifle and logo.
I tried swapping a cut down spring with my Ruger Explorer. My Ruger stock is weighted with lead, so the rifle is a a lb or two heavier than an Alpha. But the trigger can't handle the power. The extra power turned a silky trigger into a crunchy creepy mess.
The Ruger spring in the Hatsan? The spring is thinner wire and bit shorter. Thump. Thump. Pellet didn't even budge. Still in the chamber.
After swapping the springs back, the ping went away in the Hatsan. Ruger must have overcompressed it a bit, fully breaking it in, and the recoil is now a really clean pop/thunk that feels way quieter.
I'm pleased with my new rifles with the toned down springs. My Ruger is jealous now. It could use another 50 fps.
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Lol.. reviews at Walmart are just like you said on yours.. i thought thay maybe your own reviews.
This isnt the juniors Alpha. I chronographed it at 891fps with a 7gr RWS and 780 with an 8gr H..
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This does not look like the picture. It has a plastic wrapped barrel that is supposed to look like a moderator but is not. This gun is loud and not from just dieseling. I don't have a crony but it seems to have more jolt than some youth pellet rifles.
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Random lame thoughts......
Measure your Alpha, fully assembled, from buttpad to end of barrel. Curious to see, since I don't own one, what length of rifle is.
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A moron: Thanks for the confirmation! No, I haven't posted any reviews of the rifle, yet.
SteveP: 41 1/4". My bobbed is about 34" overall and has almost the same balance, at 12" barrel.
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I asked because so far, you've described an AirTact, which I do own...lol. The thread I wrote on that gun is right below this one.
Barrel set up you described is the exact one on my AirTact. so I'm now more curious...lol. Measure the receiver itself. The pic below
is my AirTact receiver. Measure your Alpha receiver between the arrows in my picture. Should be able to even assembled and let me
know the length you come up with from the front edge of the tube to the rear........
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Some companies make a model thats a just for Walmart . Looks and named all the same as retail item but little things in speces and part number are not.
Like a video card theres some he had ne you buy normal like newegg or any store , but the best buy card is not quite the same.
Or a overseas model that liquidate through walmart that normally does not sell retail in the usa?
Maybe be a hatsan walmat only alpha ?
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Well i see the alpha overseas looks like what you got 195m/s (640 fps) 170 m/s (550fps)
https://hatsan.com.tr/product/alpha/
Then the usa alpha
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha/
Now the catch i see isMax. Muzzle Velocity
(Lead-Free Pellets) .177 – 600 fps / (Lead Pellets)495 FPS
I notice overseas on this stuff they only seem to use one rating unlike here in the usa its one rating pba / lead free and then normal lead pellet rating.
So is the overseas guns only rated with lead pellets? Cause it's not the same alpha thete as here.
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SteveP: the main receiver/tube is 11 5/8" long, not including the plastic trigger pack sticking out the back.
Other than the stock, the rest of the pics in your post look very similar. Trigger pack looks the same. But there's a roll pin that goes through the safety bar and a cocking strut thing, and there's a circlip that has to be removed to get those parts off, before you can take out the mainspring.
Also, there's a hole at the top front of the plastic pic rail for a screw (the grub screw you mentioned?), but in the Alpha it's empty. There's no grub screw in there. The main spring pin is the only thing that locates the rail.
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The receiver on my AirTact is 14 1/8 inches so it tosses that random thought, which was they built an AirTact with a different stock
and put a softer spring in it.
Now with your shorter receiver, the guess comes back to someone putting the wrong springs in a batch of guns and you getting rifles
that shoot harder than than an Alpha should be.
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I got to wonder outside cosmetics between that usa alpha and the eu alpha. If the tube and spring is changed?
I guess i should of looked at the Walmart seller . Could be a independent guy that ordered from turkey or hatdan gell short of the USA alphas and made up that with a quick shipment grom turkey like a covid thing?
I got pellets from gamo usa the had were eu stickers on them during covid thing, so?
Then maybe the old been teplaced wirh the new model alpha, and no sale picture or specs were ever changed to show that?
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I've one from Hatsan USA, as well, in case you missed it. They were both shooting the same way. 891 fps seems possible, lacking a chronograph.
I hardly ever have to shoot a pumper, anymore. Breakbarrels cover the entire gap, now.
By my own reckoning, I have springers doing roughly:
300 fps Buckmark pistol
440 fps Explorer rifle
520 fps TR5
550 fps Trevox pistol
600 fps Alpha with spring cut all the way
700 fps Alpha with spring cut to leave 1 coil or so of preload
If this is some mistaken shipment, and my rifles prematurely wear out parts, I'll be sure to post about it. The triggers seem perfectly happy. And these triggers are definitely above average for the price point.
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I guess i did.. sorry.
Still maube the guts been changed along the way..
You know the good old subject to change without notice thing thay like to do..
Hatsan usa dont like to maintain there web site at all .
Whays funny too is hard air mag. Featured it and stated up to 495fps and the eu looking one.
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/hatsan-alpha-an-easy-to-shoot-youth-air-rifle-for-2020/
Lol... Man you got a can of worms on this alpha thing ...
Anyway for thoes to get a quick look USA's and turkeys alpha pictures
Thay have the turkey alpha in the USA hatsan just not up front its a alpha "QE". $109 only 2 left.. but shows 495 with lead pellets.
I guess your down to contact hatsan support and get there opinion..
Your results are what stated with nonlead/ pba .. most over rate there guns fps... But?
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Steve: keep that fake silencer. It might come in handy for the front sight.
The fake silencer has an ID of 0.98" I slit it lengthwise, along the bottom, using a hacksaw. Then it can just be forced over a 1" tube. (I have a few rifles modded with 1" steel tube moderators/shrouds). Then when positioned right, you can torch the tube to heat it up, then hot glue it into place through the side slits in the fake silencer.
So I used this to add a front sight to my long-ago modded Explorer and gave its scope to the Alpha. The Alpha has way better ergos for a scope, to me. And the Ruger is a joy to finally have open sights.
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I haven't decided yet whether it's getting rebuilt or just kept as parts since I actually have 2 of them.
The first one I bought brand new when they first came out and had the older style Edge stocks. I managed to make a deal with HatsanUSA
to get my hands on the newer style AirTact stock before they were ever released for sale in the US. Only thing I've done with that one is
scope it and shoot it.
The one I did the complete teardown on was was my 2nd one and bought as a refurb from HatsanUSA with the intent to do just what I did,
then rebuild it only with a Vortex gas ram inside since I have several and an itch to see how easy it would be.
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I ordered the Hatsan Alpha youth air rifle from Walmart about an hour ago.
After reading this thread, I cancelled the order.
I want a low powered, low recoil, accurate, easy to cock, low noise, break barrel, but this does not seem like it is the 495 fps gun that I want.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hatsan-Alpha-Youth-Break-Barrel-Airgun-177-Calibier-Black-450-FPS/38040879 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hatsan-Alpha-Youth-Break-Barrel-Airgun-177-Calibier-Black-450-FPS/38040879)
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Yeah, good call.
Even after shortening the spring and getting it under 600 fps? It's decent to cock and accurate. But it's still pretty loud!
My Ruger Explorer seems to be actually designed to shoot 500 fps. Way easier to cock, way quieter. I can grip it right in front of the pivot to cock it. The new Alpha seems to be designed to use as many of the same parts as a full power rifle as possible. And they went at least one part too far!
Accuracy out the box, though? Hatsan is stellar. Ruger Explorer was a total dud that couldn't reliably hit tin can at 20 feet, until more than half the barrel was removed. This might be a problem with other low power rifles, too. My Explorer is a pure sniper, though, at 6 1/2" barrel with a blooper tube. Inside a dime at 25 yards.
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I got an Alpha in today I ordered from Walmart; the shrouded fake silencer barreled one. It's a lot harder to c0ck, hits harder and is louder than I expected. I sure wish I had a chronograph.
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I have a chrony, now, after I cut the spring down on them a couple more times since my last post. Just some info, in case you want to reduce the power of your rifle.
With about 1mm of preload left on the spring, the otherwise stock Alpha is doing ~583 fps with 7.4's. Recoil and report is crisp and succint. Feels really good, with just open sights and weighing as little as it does. Cocking is so much smoother, and the "fury" is gone out of the report.
My chopped 12" barrel has the spring cut even more to allow a few mm of empty space in the tube. I have one of the biggest and probably one of the heftiest scopes that will fit on it weighing it down. It is shooting ~538 fps, with heavy and slow recoil.
Also, I don't know what I was thinking on my last post. Dime at 25 yards? No way my Explorer can do that. It starts to open up before it gets to 20 yards. My Alphas probably could, though, with some dome pellets.
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Thanks for the info gloob. I already hack sawed the moderator off. I left the belled out start of the moderator just past the end of the barrel. I didn't want to cut the barrel yet. It looks a little like the door breacher on a shotgun now. I figure it will at least protect the muzzle crown a little. There's a washer and nut that must be some type of tensioning system inside the plastic barrel shroud. Maybe it just centers the barrel in the shroud.
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Anybody got pictures of mods to their Alpha youth rifles?
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Did a few more mods to mine.
I removed the rear sight, shortened the forestock, and removed some of the weight from the cheek risers, because the rifle was a bit butt-heavy after adding the scope. (And the cheek risers are way too low, even with open sights!)
(https://i.imgur.com/hvrGpxi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hrLnRz7.jpg)
I like my scope to be low-mounted on this rifle for close range work. I removed some of the plastic to get a dollar bill to slip between the scope and the top of the picatinny rail. I also glued on one of my 8-rd "pez" pellet dispensers where the rear sight was. I also needed to shim the rear ring. Both my rifles shoot a bit low.
(https://i.imgur.com/AjEeFPN.jpg)
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Gloob, I'm going to cut my stock in the front like that. I don't have the skills to do the muzzle weight yet. Looks good.
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Did a few more mods to mine.
I removed the rear sight, shortened the forestock, and removed some of the weight from the cheek risers, because the rifle was a bit butt-heavy after adding the scope. (And the cheek risers are way too low, even with open sights!)
(https://i.imgur.com/hvrGpxi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hrLnRz7.jpg)
I like my scope to be low-mounted on this rifle for close range work. I removed some of the plastic to get a dollar bill to slip between the scope and the top of the picatinny rail. I also glued on one of my 8-rd "pez" pellet dispensers where the rear sight was. I also needed to shim the rear ring. Both my rifles shoot a bit low.
(https://i.imgur.com/AjEeFPN.jpg)
What brand rings are those on the scope? Are they rings for a Weaver base?
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Monstrum V2 30mm picatinny rings, 0.85" low profile.
Instead of a single screw going between picatinny bumps, these rings have 2 aluminum bumps that mate with a pic rail. I was worried when I saw that, but they fit perfectly on the hybrid rail without any modification. Normal picatinny rings also fit.
I've also had my little Bugbuster on this rifle, using dovetail rings. The stop in the back was just about right for that setup.
My experience with the hybrid rail is pretty good, so far. I like the versatility, and I haven't found a drawback, yet.
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Monstrum V2 30mm picatinny rings, 0.85" low profile.
Instead of a single screw going between picatinny bumps, these rings have 2 aluminum bumps that mate with a pic rail. I was worried when I saw that, but they fit perfectly on the hybrid rail without any modification. Normal picatinny rings also fit.
I've also had my little Bugbuster on this rifle, using dovetail rings. The stop in the back was just about right for that setup.
My experience with the hybrid rail is pretty good, so far. I like the versatility, and I haven't found a drawback, yet.
I ordered some of the Monstrum rings. Thanks for making it clear that they'll work. The info on Amazon said they work only on Picatinny rails and won't work with Weaver rails. I thought Hatsan's info said these rifles have Weaver rails.
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Monstrum V2 30mm picatinny rings, 0.85" low profile.
Instead of a single screw going between picatinny bumps, these rings have 2 aluminum bumps that mate with a pic rail. I was worried when I saw that, but they fit perfectly on the hybrid rail without any modification. Normal picatinny rings also fit.
I've also had my little Bugbuster on this rifle, using dovetail rings. The stop in the back was just about right for that setup.
My experience with the hybrid rail is pretty good, so far. I like the versatility, and I haven't found a drawback, yet.
I ordered some of the Monstrum rings. Thanks for making it clear that they'll work. The info on Amazon said they work only on Picatinny rails and won't work with Weaver rails. I thought Hatsan's info said these rifles have Weaver rails.
Those terms get tossed around loosely with airguns.
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Monstrum V2 30mm picatinny rings, 0.85" low profile.
Instead of a single screw going between picatinny bumps, these rings have 2 aluminum bumps that mate with a pic rail. I was worried when I saw that, but they fit perfectly on the hybrid rail without any modification. Normal picatinny rings also fit.
I've also had my little Bugbuster on this rifle, using dovetail rings. The stop in the back was just about right for that setup.
My experience with the hybrid rail is pretty good, so far. I like the versatility, and I haven't found a drawback, yet.
I ordered some of the Monstrum rings. Thanks for making it clear that they'll work. The info on Amazon said they work only on Picatinny rails and won't work with Weaver rails. I thought Hatsan's info said these rifles have Weaver rails.
Those terms get tossed around loosely with airguns.
This link describes the differences between Picatinny and Weaver dimensions.
https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/picatinny-rails-vs-weaver-rails/ (https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/picatinny-rails-vs-weaver-rails/)
I have the OLD Alpha (not this Alpha QE) and contrary to the current Hatsan description it only has the 11mm dovetail grooves machined into the steel of the compression tube.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha/)
The NEW Alpha QE is listed as having 11mm and Picatinny rails, a combined hybrid.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-qe/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-qe/)
I believe that is correct but cannot confirm. My Airtact (big brother to Alpha QE) is described by Hatsan as having 11mm and Weaver rails.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/ (https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/)
I can confirm from actual measurements of the Airtact rifle in front of me that it has ~11mm dovetail and Picatinny dimensioned hybrid rails molded into the plastic compression tube shroud.
Not surprised at the confusion. The folks who write the sales flyers and web pages are usually NOT the design engineers. In my 20+ years of electronic design engineering the document writers rarely checked their own work for consistency or accuracy and never asked for help from the people who DESIGNED the products :-(
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I cut some coils from mine and it c0cks a little easier. Is that three and a half coils?
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That's what's inside if you cut the moderator off.
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Yeah, I bet the moderator looks much better on a full sized rifle. The stock is so slim on the Alpha, it looks like a musket. Other than that, and besides being 3x as powerful as it's sold to be, it's a pretty decent rifle. Especially at the Walmart price, this gun is a steal. Probably ~100 fps slower than a Gamo Varmint and similar contruction for half the money. And the trigger is far from bad.
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Yeah, I bet the moderator looks much better on a full sized rifle. The stock is so slim on the Alpha, it looks like a musket. Other than that, and besides being 3x as powerful as it's sold to be, it's a pretty decent rifle. Especially at the Walmart price, this gun is a steal. Probably ~100 fps slower than a Gamo Varmint and similar contruction for half the money. And the trigger is far from bad.
I gave $50.00 for mine and think I got free shipping. They have a no return policy though. I wish I had a chronograph. This is a youth rifle in name and size only as it comes from the factory. It reminds me of a little blunderbuss now. It's pretty accurate but seems very hold sensitive.
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I got a refurb Harvest Moon color one in today. It had the little Hatsan refurb checklist in the box saying 10 shot average was 495 fps. I guess I can't guestimate velocity very well.
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I got a refurb Harvest Moon color one in today. It had the little Hatsan refurb checklist in the box saying 10 shot average was 495 fps. I guess I can't guestimate velocity very well.
The OLD style Alpha really is/was a 495fps MV springer. I have a couple in Harvest Moon Camo and Muddy Girl Camo. My chronograph confirms ~500fps MV. Easy to cock, VERY mild shot cycle with almost no recoils, and effortless dime sized 10 shot groups at 30' using the open sights.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha/
Other shooters have stated that the NEW Version Alpha-QE performs closer to an ADULT springer.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-qe/
From their descriptions I'd almost think they received a Hatsan Airtact by mistake? (unlikely)
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/
I don't own an Alpha-QE so I cannot verify any performance numbers.
The Hatsan website descriptions of the OLD Alpha and the NEW Alpha-QE is a sad mix of cut & patse old text with some updates. I would not trust the current Hatsan website descriptions for any Alpha versions.
I have not seen the Alpha-QE offered in Camo stocks (yet) so any Camo Alpha versions currently being sold here in the US are likely(?) the OLD style 495fps MV springers.
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I got a refurb Harvest Moon color one in today. It had the little Hatsan refurb checklist in the box saying 10 shot average was 495 fps. I guess I can't guestimate velocity very well.
The OLD style Alpha really is/was a 495fps MV springer. I have a couple in Harvest Moon Camo and Muddy Girl Camo. My chronograph confirms ~500fps MV. Easy to cock, VERY mild shot cycle with almost no recoils, and effortless dime sized 10 shot groups at 30' using the open sights.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha/
Other shooters have stated that the NEW Version Alpha-QE performs closer to an ADULT springer.
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/alpha-qe/
From their descriptions I'd almost think they received a Hatsan Airtact by mistake? (unlikely)
https://hatsanairgunsusa.com/product/airtact/
I don't own an Alpha-QE so I cannot verify any performance numbers.
The Hatsan website descriptions of the OLD Alpha and the NEW Alpha-QE is a sad mix of cut & patse old text with some updates. I would not trust the current Hatsan website descriptions for any Alpha versions.
I have not seen the Alpha-QE offered in Camo stocks (yet) so any Camo Alpha versions currently being sold here in the US are likely(?) the OLD style 495fps MV springers.
I ordered the refurb just hoping I'd get lucky and get one like the top three in your photo but got another like the bottom one. The little thing shoots well so what can I say. If I ever run up on a chronograph I'll post the results here since I'm not going to alter this one.
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^did you get a Harvest Moon Camo on the new Alpha?
LOLs that we both tried to buy an old Alpha and now own 2 of the new ones.
I don't own an Alpha-QE so I cannot verify any performance numbers.
I swear on the Walmart reviews of the new Alpha I saw a review by a mikeyb. It included chrony testing at 891 fps! But I just looked, and the new Alpha doesn't appear on Walmart.com, anymore.
I know for certain mine were both shooting somewhere above 700 fps but definitely less than 920 fps before the spring reductions. My 2100 chronos over 700, and I did some comparison tests.
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^did you get a Harvest Moon Camo on the new Alpha?
LOLs that we both tried to buy an old Alpha and now own 2 of the new ones.
I don't own an Alpha-QE so I cannot verify any performance numbers.
I swear on the Walmart reviews of the new Alpha I saw a review by a mikeyb. It included chrony testing at 891 fps! But I just looked, and the new Alpha doesn't appear on Walmart.com, anymore.
I know for certain mine were both shooting somewhere above 700 fps but definitely less than 920 fps before the spring reductions. My 2100 chronos over 700, and I did some comparison tests.
Yep; went for one old style and ended up with two new style ones. :D
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^did you get a Harvest Moon Camo on the new Alpha?
LOLs that we both tried to buy an old Alpha and now own 2 of the new ones.
I don't own an Alpha-QE so I cannot verify any performance numbers.
I swear on the Walmart reviews of the new Alpha I saw a review by a mikeyb. It included chrony testing at 891 fps! But I just looked, and the new Alpha doesn't appear on Walmart.com, anymore.
I know for certain mine were both shooting somewhere above 700 fps but definitely less than 920 fps before the spring reductions. My 2100 chronos over 700, and I did some comparison tests.
I'm disappointed the OLD Alphas appear to be no longer available.
Have never purchased any Hatsans through Walmart. I wanted too but Walmart will not ship ANY air rifle to any NYS address I can access. They also will NOT ship any air rifles for STORE PICK-UP to any of the regional Walmart stores I can access. This appears to be a blanket NYS prohibition on doing any airgun related business outside of the brick & mortar stores and what those stores already have in current stock. An Alpha review on a Walmart website with my screenname on it was not placed there by me.
Maybe the review seen was here for the Hatsan Airtact?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155996.msg155723035#msg155723035 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155996.msg155723035#msg155723035)
I DID purchase and review Alphas from Amazon back in 2018/2019. Both Muddy Girl and Harvest Moon Camo versions for a little under $40.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2AENVU7105OMH (https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2AENVU7105OMH)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R58VDK3G4H97P (https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R58VDK3G4H97P)
At the time of purchase both Amazon listings had text and photo errors. I dug down to check the Hatsan part number in each listing to determine what they were actually shipping. Those nearly hidden part numbers were precisely what I expected and received.
I have no regrets purchasing these ~500fps youth springers as they were exactly what I wanted at that time.
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I have an older style Alpha, harvest moon model. I paid about $45 for it new from Amazon. I consider it a very good buy at that price. It won't penetrate a heavy duty tin can, unless I shoot Crosman pointed hunters through it. Not that hard to cock. Does have a sproingggg to it. Not a bad trigger. Not too hold sensative. Pretty good accuracy too. It's a keeper.
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I know this is an old threat but just received a new Alpha and the new one is harder to cock and is shooting at 735 fps, my old Alpha is doing about 520 fps and much easier to cock. I like the old Alpha better.
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735.. I was pretty close on my guess.
If you cut the spring back to the point it barely compresses, say 1/8-1/4" when you put it back in, you should end up in the low to mid 500's. I find it's a sweet shooter at that point. And you wouldn't need a spring compressor to get it back together.
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Thanks for the info I'll give it a try. I just shoot in my back yard around 20 yards so around 500 fps is good for me I like easy cocking and a smooth shot cycle.
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Maybe they sent the wrong gun. I haven't heard of a "NEW" Alpha. The only Hatsan I can think of with a plastic shoudded barrel and picatinny rail is an Air Tac and it's a 1000fps+ springer.
640 FPS in .177:
https://hatsan.com.tr/product/alpha/
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That's the EU Alpha, my USA Alpha averaged 735fps with H&N 7.45gr pellets. I cut 2 coils of the spring today and will crono it tomorrow to see the difference it made.
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my USA Alpha averaged 735fps with H&N 7.45gr pellets.
8.94 FPE.
Nice.
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Pretty much everyone who has received the "new" Alpha (mini-Airtact) says it shoots well above the 500fps of the "old" Alpha (mini-Striker). I wonder if Hatsan increased the muzzle energy of the Alpha to directly compete with rifles like the Beeman Black Cub?
I have a Black Cub (comes with 177 and 22 barrels) and except for the HARD direct sear trigger it is a "mellow" youth springer shooting CPHP 7.9 right around 9-10 fpe.
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Checked the velocity this morning with 2 coils cut from the stock spring, it is easier to cock and still doing a hair over 700fps with the H&N 7.48gr. pellets. I'm going to see how she shoots before I shorten the spring any more.
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If I was in Canada, I'd buy this rifle for the possibility of getting a "wee bit" more velocity than advertised.
The EU version might be the same thing, just with an updated more accurate description.
In the US, springers that shoot less than 800 fps are rare. Buyers are generally looking for low power if they buy this thing.
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I have a Hatsan AirTac also and the new Alpha is just a miniature AirTac right down to the trigger, different than the original Alpha, still like the original better too much plastic on the new one.
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Personally, I was impressed with the accuracy of the stock Alpha at full power, considering the very light weight. Only 150 fps or so slower than most my adult springers, but way lighter. Still plenty of power for most vermin or pests out to decent range. 5 lbs soaking wet and easy to hold on target. Not hold-sensitive. Screws did not shoot loose. Only complaint was the shot cycle was really loud and a bit unpleasant at the stock power.
Mid 700's with 7.5 grain pellets is a pretty good place to be. We're too obsessed with power! R7/HW30 is regularly the favorite of many shooters. The last springer that they'd part with. Springers might be more popular if manufacturers tricked us into buying what IS the best rather than having to compete to give us what we think we want!
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I cut 2 more coils off the stock spring and I'm down to 600fps with the H&N 7.48gr pellets, I think I will leave it at that. I have an R7 that was tuned by Mike Melick in Iowa that averages 667fps with the H&N 7.48gr pellets, that one is a keeper for sure.
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I just choreographed my new Hatsan Apha. Five shot average with Basic 7 gr is 681 FPS. Much higher than I expected.
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Ive had this since this march. Bought from Ama zon, which shows a Picture and specifications for the Old Alpha rated at 500 FPS. I have around 300 shots in, not alot. Some smoke left after the shot. I have the open sights set for 20 yards. Trigger is adjusted out. I do need to refine the trigger adjustment.
The barrel had a slight downward bend that i fixed using 2 of 1x 6" boards and 2 of 2.5" U Bolts. Using tape I covered the holes on the Muzzle Piece.
Ill get a scope on after i assemble some rings from my running ring box and select a scope from the ones that are sitting.
Super light, rather short LOP and short OAL for a breakbarrel.
EHD 7.9
Consistent light fit
1. 686
2. 687
3. 682
4. 674
5. 678
6. 684
7. 676
8. 681
9. 677
10. 677
Spread< 13 FPS
Avg 680 FPS
8.1 FPE
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