What was the average Troyer rating for the Wales championship?

[gokidd]

I don't see it stated on any of the official course descriptions.
Just curious.
Bob

[DFWdude]

Not sure they speak Troyer in Europe. 

But then again, they still eat kidney pie over there, drink warm sodas and beer, and masochistically shoot <12fpe springers in the snow (dictated by latitude).  So with all those challenges, why would they need a difficulty rating to compare one match with another?

[gokidd]

True Dat.

[Tpatner412]

Many other countries do recognize and are aware of the Troyer system, though they don't use it.  Often they are looking solely at average distance and more specifically the distance of the positional shots. 

I think Boomer put the course details into one of the AAFTA planners to show the difficulties.  I want to say the courses ranged from the low to mid 30T range. 

Here is a PDF that Greg Shirhall put together showing the course layouts and average distances.

[gokidd]

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[John E.]

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An eye opener to say the least. Long range wind games are what the rest of the world play versus our small kz game. One more reason CAG will be running a world class format going forward.

[dan_house]

An eye opener to say the least. Long range wind games are what the rest of the world play versus our small kz game. One more reason CAG will be running a world class format going forward.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/451309/thread/1510503720/last-1511033504/--%3E+Expand+Thread
Wayne Burns and the Ashland club are doing a WFTF clinic/warm up several times thru the next few months.....

If I can squeeze a couple days out when they have one Ill go see how bad I am at the worlds game....  

[DFWdude]

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An eye opener to say the least. Long range wind games are what the rest of the world play versus our small kz game. One more reason CAG will be running a world class format going forward.

Will you be serving haggus mashers and chips for lunch after?

Not trying to wind anyone up... Just don't see the need for the American game to conform to anything European.

[John E.]

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An eye opener to say the least. Long range wind games are what the rest of the world play versus our small kz game. One more reason CAG will be running a world class format going forward.

Will you be serving haggus mashers and chips for lunch after?

Not trying to wind anyone up... Just don't see the need for the American game to conform to anything European.

Only if you promise to attend a match Bob. Our imperative for running world style matches is to one, support the shooters who go to and have aspirations to attend Worlds matches. Second is to improve the overall skill level of shooter in the North East. If we can knock down a target in a 10mph wind at 55yd on a regular basis a 3/4" kz at 35 won't be an issue.

[John E.]

Also Bob what are you doing in the WFTF section, don't you shoot Hunter? Perhaps your closed minded point of view is better served there.

"Not sure they speak Troyer in Europe.

But then again, they still eat kidney pie over there, drink warm sodas and beer, and masochistically shoot <12fpe springers in the snow (dictated by latitude)."

[DFWdude]

Also Bob what are you doing in the WFTF section, don't you shoot Hunter? Perhaps your closed minded point of view is better served there.

As I said, I wasn't trying to wind up anyone, but since you ask... My very post in this section proves that I am decidedly NOT closed minded, to WFTF or any other division, thank you very much.   I'm not the only one who believes the American game need not cater to European standards, since only 1-2% of American shooters will ever travel to Europe to actually compete there.  (If there are 1000 FT shooters in the US and ten at most go to Europe, there's your 1%)

Further, if there develops a trend toward structuring the American game to the European model, then it will have some knock-on effects on both Open and Hunter Divisions here in the US, to which dozens (if not hundreds) might object.

As for wind, every match shot in Texas has a 10 mph switchy wind.  Often 15-20 mph.  The wind that everyone complained about @ Phoenix Nats this year was decidedly a "Texas wind."  And not confined only to Texas, of course.  You don't have to go to Europe to find wind.

Don't know why you get so wound up at my posts, John Eroh.   Just trying to have a little fun on an all but dead website (traffic-wise).  My posting privileges and opinions are as valid as yours, and you don't see me bashing you (personally) for the forum where you choose to post and what you choose to write.   Finally, if you only want to read posts by those who agree with you (the very definition of close-minded, BTW) then place me on your “ignore” list.   Otherwise, please Chill...

[John E.]

Also Bob what are you doing in the WFTF section, don't you shoot Hunter? Perhaps your closed minded point of view is better served there.

As I said, I wasn't trying to wind up anyone, but since you ask... My very post in this section proves that I am decidedly NOT closed minded, to WFTF or any other division, thank you very much.   I'm not the only one who believes the American game need not cater to European standards, since only 1-2% of American shooters will ever travel to Europe to actually compete there.  (If there are 1000 FT shooters in the US and ten at most go to Europe, there's your 1%)

Further, if there develops a trend toward structuring the American game to the European model, then it will have some knock-on effects on both Open and Hunter Divisions here in the US, to which dozens (if not hundreds) might object.

As for wind, every match shot in Texas has a 10 mph switchy wind.  Often 15-20 mph.  The wind that everyone complained about @ Phoenix Nats this year was decidedly a "Texas wind."  And not confined only to Texas, of course.  You don't have to go to Europe to find wind.

Don't know why you get so wound up at my posts, John Eroh.   Just trying to have a little fun on an all but dead website (traffic-wise).  My posting privileges and opinions are as valid as yours, and you don't see me bashing you (personally) for the forum where you choose to post and what you choose to write.   Finally, if you only want to read posts by those who agree with you (the very definition of close-minded, BTW) then place me on your “ignore” list.   Otherwise, please Chill...

Nope. Won't chill when you jump on anyone you disagree with regardless of forum. If you haven't figured it out I don't like you Bob. I don't have to respect you either and will call you out when you make a BS post or response that contradicts who you are(we have met). I also won't ask or demand that others don't question my motives. I invite others to argue with me as it makes for a lively discussion and can result in productive solutions. So I will always question your motives and take every opportunity to make you explain yourself. If you don't like it too bad because guess what? My opinion is no less valid than yours.

[Scotchmo]

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An eye opener to say the least. Long range wind games are what the rest of the world play versus our small kz game. One more reason CAG will be running a world class format going forward.

The typical AAFTA course has the same long targets in the wind. Just not as many. AAFTA also has difficult small KZ targets that are not used on a true WFTF course. There is enough commonality such that AAFTA courses provide good practice and challenge for WFTF shooters.

The WFTF World match is scheduled to come to the USA in 2021. I plan on competing in that match. It will likely have more of the long targets and will have none of the 3/8" and 1/2" KZ targets. I'm considering switching to a little higher scope that tailors my rifle more toward that type of course. Just a little higher.

I don't want the USA game to go full WFTF. But I think we should all prepare to make a good showing when the World FT match is held in the USA. Our club has been using only 15mm, 25mm, and 40mm KZ targets for some time. Just to see how it feels. We are considering hosting a strict WFTF compliant GP match before the worlds come here.

PS: I like the challenge of the 3/8" KZ targets. Club member John Bergquist holds matches at his ranch and still uses the 3/8" KZ as well as 1/4". They add some fun to the matches.

[DFWdude]

If you haven't figured it out I don't like you Bob. I don't have to respect you either... I invite others to argue with me as it makes for a lively discussion and can result in productive solutions. So I will always question your motives and take every opportunity to make you explain yourself.

My sister lived in Massachusetts for several years.  She's observed that the snobbish "generations born there, die there" attitude, laughably overpriced real estate, horrible roads and infrastructure, overbearing state government, and ridiculously oppressive taxation turns people into very bitter, argumentative and cranky sorts.

Although I currently know an FT shooter from MA who is not this way, she might be right in other cases.