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Title: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 12:47:05 PM
Looking for the Nova Vista HP-900w. Looks to be a fair priced entry level shooter with some options I like. Something I can tinker with and not feel bad if I’am rough with it.  You can view the review here: https://youtu.be/wUrx72_1l90
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 12:49:08 PM
Sorry that is not the review but the video I first saw the gun here is the review: https://youtu.be/rIgCDGgtO1U
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Taso1000 on October 11, 2018, 01:00:33 PM
American Tactical is the US distributor.

https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns (https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns)

But they don't show that model on their website.  Give them a call and see if they can get it for you.

Thanks,

Taso
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
American Tactical is the US distributor.

https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns (https://www.americantactical.us/category/airguns)

But they don't show that model on their website.  Give them a call and see if they can get it for you.

Thanks,

Taso

Thanks for letting me know that. I will definitely check with them to see if they have any or will be getting any.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 11, 2018, 02:30:05 PM
Sadly haven't seen it here either but would love one of these.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Sadly haven't seen it here either but would love one of these.

I know right it looks awesome if the price will be right on them here in the US.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 11, 2018, 05:52:09 PM
From discussions with the manufacturer I believe the first container of them arrives in October. in the US American Tactical is the dealer..I believe they will Retail @US 329.00 Gonna raise the standard for entry level PCP's...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 11, 2018, 06:35:08 PM
From discussions with the manufacturer I believe the first container of them arrives in October. in the US American Tactical is the dealer..I believe they will Retail @US 329.00 Gonna raise the standard for entry level PCP's...

If that's so I'll be checking in on them!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 11, 2018, 06:52:55 PM
I will be right there with you :) almost like an affordable streamline....
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 07:18:56 PM
I will be right there with you :) almost like an affordable streamline....

Looks promising. Going to make a killer hunter for me. I emailed us American tactical just waiting on a response.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 11, 2018, 07:22:54 PM
American tactical just told me over the phone that they expect to have them in about two weeks but could not tell me how much they plan to sell them for. Looks like an outlaw with extras. Hope they are priced right. Would love to get one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on October 11, 2018, 07:45:53 PM
 I actually have owned one since the Nova Freedom came out. I was inadvertently sent one with a synthetic stock, in .177, it is now my field target gun since it outshoots my Mrod  :o It is well worth the price I paid for it expecting aNova Freedom. So I had to order a Freedom in .22. Both are great guns in the price range I was expecting the 900 to be closer to a marauder in price, we will see :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 07:57:24 PM
Hmm. I’m hoping $300-$350 price range. The less the better lol. These next couple of weeks will be really interesting.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 11, 2018, 08:01:01 PM
They said they were calling it the nova liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on October 11, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
 It is also regulated BTW ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 11, 2018, 08:51:43 PM
How many shots you get per fill roughly? And does the power adjuster work good? My Nova Freedom .177 was 12fpe on low and 19fpe on high just perfect for my needs
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on October 11, 2018, 08:55:26 PM
Yeah, the Freedom .17 is definitely on my Radar
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on October 11, 2018, 09:00:48 PM
: Dairyboy
« on: Today at 06:51:43 PM » Insert Quote
How many shots you get per fill roughly? And does the power adjuster work good? My Nova Freedom .177 was 12fpe on low and 19fpe on high just perfect for my needs.

  I gave up at 200 over the crono I'm guessing 250 on low , I don't think one loses many on high. plenty of air onboard for FT and then some.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 11, 2018, 09:39:24 PM
: Dairyboy
« on: Today at 06:51:43 PM » Insert Quote
How many shots you get per fill roughly? And does the power adjuster work good? My Nova Freedom .177 was 12fpe on low and 19fpe on high just perfect for my needs.

  I gave up at 200 over the crono I'm guessing 250 on low , I don't think one loses many on high. plenty of air onboard for FT and then some.

Excellent news!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on October 11, 2018, 09:48:06 PM
Looks good to me also, any talk of 25cal ?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 10:09:06 PM
Looks good to me also, any talk of 25cal ?
Haven’t seen a .25 but I would think that they would offer one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 11, 2018, 11:07:31 PM
No the factory only produces it in 177 and ,22
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 11, 2018, 11:15:06 PM
Glad you cleared that up. Strange no .25 even SPA had caught on to making a lot of there guns in .25.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on October 11, 2018, 11:27:47 PM
I sure like what I'm reading about the gun, sure does sound like it's one heck of a deal.  I'd love to try shooting one myself, with all these new guns coming out the PCP world indeed has changed for the smaller calibers in 2018!!!  Dang it I've just been buying toooooo much this year and just can't see one in my near future but like a lot of guns many of them get some super deals on the refurbs and sales.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Sbak on October 12, 2018, 12:24:44 AM
Looks good to me also, any talk of 25cal ?
Haven’t seen a .25 but I would think that they would offer one.

You can always rebarrel one. I'm just finishing up a Nova freedom that I put a .25 GM (maruader) barrel on. Although if I were to do it again I would definitely use a TJs barrel as having the recessed o ring groove in barrel made for a pain in the neck to seal
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 12, 2018, 12:25:54 AM
I think its natural evolution .25 will probably be their next step - I hope...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 15, 2018, 07:49:46 PM
The nova liberty is in stock now. Synthetic is 299.95 and wood is 329.95. Just got an e-mail from Jennifer saying they came in today and they should be on the web site in one to two weeks. Give her a call at America tactical and she should be able to sell you one now. 800 290 0065
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 16, 2018, 08:43:36 AM
The nova liberty is in stock now. Synthetic is 299.95 and wood is 329.95. Just got an e-mail from Jennifer saying they came in today and they should be on the web site in one to two weeks. Give her a call at America tactical and she should be able to sell you one now. 800 290 0065

Thank you Sir!!! Jennifer here I come lol!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Missed-Em on October 16, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
Following
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tommy2toes on October 16, 2018, 12:21:03 PM
I looked at the review video, very good review by the way!

Q.  Does anyone know what exactly one would have to do to attach a Donny Fl LDC ( as an example, could be another brand too ) to the end of the barrel?  It's not threaded and I wasn't sure how the LDC would be installed into the barrel.  Not interested in putting baffles in the last several inches, would prefer to attach just an LDC.  The gun is not backyard friendly "As is" and I think that an LDC may be a must for those that need that capability.

Q2. Trigger - Does anyone know if there would be an after market trigger kit that could be used, as I assume the pull on this one is pretty substantial?  Some of the new PCPs coming out have a heavy pull and I am seeing a trend of having to buy an after market trigger to get it light. 

I guess I could ask the manufacturer, but was curious if anyone knows the answers to the above, I would appreciate your thoughts. 

I agree - This gun looks mighty tempting for $329

Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 16, 2018, 12:31:41 PM
Yeah I think these are things we will have to figure out as we go. I think that the noise is really only thing I’m worried about at the moment. It’s not a huge deal but i’d like it a little more quiet. I wouldn’t be opposed to more baffles but where to get them? Same thing with a suppressor where would I get one to fit that? Any ideas ppl have would be great. I’ll eventually sort those issues out or just learn to live with it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 16, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
If it's anything like my .177 Nova Freedom was the trigger was excellent out of the box not heavy at all great 2 stage trigger. Also the .177 was plenty quiet I'd compare it to a Mrod. Sidelever was great, accuracy amazing. If I didn't just pre-order an Evanix AirSpeed I'd be buying one in a heartbeat
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on October 16, 2018, 01:48:14 PM
If you run from 4500 to 2000 PSI you have much more ( 3x )  energy then if  you run from 3000 to 2000 PSI.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 16, 2018, 01:53:39 PM
Thomas, the trigger is supposed to be fully adjustable from .4 lbs to 5lbs by using three adjustable screws. That’s word of mouth. Have not got one in my hands yet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tommy2toes on October 16, 2018, 02:17:13 PM
"Thomas, the trigger is supposed to be fully adjustable from .4 lbs to 5lbs by using three adjustable screws. That’s word of mouth. Have not got one in my hands yet."

Thanks James. 

I think I'm going to (like others) wait for some early adopters and early reviews on this new Nova, especially as it relates to adding LDCs and trigger adjustment. 

I also want a .25 PCP so maybe they will add one of those in the future as well.   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: smythsg on October 16, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Watching this one, looks really interesting.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Taso1000 on October 16, 2018, 02:52:11 PM
300 bar fill huh?  Interesting!

Taso
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on October 16, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
300 bar fill huh?  Interesting!

Taso

YES,
If producers have to invest  less then  10 USD for 300 bar variant  and the PCP gun is regulated it is seriously stupid in my point of view to produce PCP with lower filling air pressure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 16, 2018, 04:29:49 PM
Just looked at a photo. The barrel looks to be fully shrouded. So should not be to loud. Probably the same a an outlaw.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 16, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
I want to know if the regulator can be adjusted. Would want to shoot heavy pellets at @ 900. They are saying as they are now that high is 900 and low is 700 FPS. But who knows what weight pellet they tested with.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 16, 2018, 05:29:18 PM
Have tried calling twice today. Can’t seem to get anyone one the line to place my order. Left a message so hopefully they call me back.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 16, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
I want to know if the regulator can be adjusted. Would want to shoot heavy pellets at @ 900. They are saying as they are now that high is 900 and low is 700 FPS. But who knows what weight pellet they tested with.

I’d like to know this as well. I was hoping to to get a .22 that would be in the 40 FPE range. Like the older M-10 from spa but something a bit more refined.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Sbak on October 17, 2018, 12:09:09 AM
I'm assuming it's based on the same platform as the Nova freedom. This is one I swapped over to .25 with a GM barrel. The gun itself is very well thought out but comes pretty much maxed as far as power goes. It is limited in hammer strike (very small light weight hammer) and plenum (valve not reservoir) volume but is fully cappable of up to 40 fpe. There is no way the Nova freedom can be adjusted down to a half pounds trigger pull without cutting down or replacing some springs, nor would I really want to for safety reasons. Mine sits around 2.5-3  lbs all polished up, lubed, and set at the factory minimum. That being said it is still a good trigger in the price point and they might be able to optimize it a bit better for their pcp offering. If their pcp offering is even half way as well designed as their freedom is will be a steal at that price point.

Edit: forgot to add, the barrel is shrouded but not baffled and at 3600 psi it isn't the quietest gun out there but not terrible either. I did cut 2 inches off my shroud length as the .25 barrel was almost 2inches shorter than the stock barrel and it made little to no difference in sound level
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 17, 2018, 01:31:32 AM
Yes it can be adjusted...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 17, 2018, 01:33:25 AM
I want to know if the regulator can be adjusted. Would want to shoot heavy pellets at @ 900. They are saying as they are now that high is 900 and low is 700 FPS. But who knows what weight pellet they tested with.

My bad should have included quote, yes it can be adjusted there is a video on youtube, saw the inner workings, got the gist of the video but the language was Hindi/ Urdu ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSEV7OCvn_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSEV7OCvn_I)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 17, 2018, 08:53:23 AM
Thanks Mike, That videoclip answered all my questions. Now I have no reasons not to buy one. Maybe sell some of my others that I would not need now. This one seems to have it all. For 329.00 I don’t see how I can go wrong.
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Post by: Back_Roads on October 17, 2018, 09:11:30 AM
 Wow looks like I have some $ coming back on my purchase price  :o Well at Marauder sale price Everyone should get one, or 2  ;)
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Post by: GreyBeard1851 on October 17, 2018, 09:41:56 AM
Thanks, after seeing this, I no longer want a Gauntlet, well, maybe one in .25 :D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 17, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
I saw that the synthetic version is $299.00. Just make a great all around gun. Lots of shots, low power for plinking and high for hunting. Especially with an adjustable regulator you change with out having to take the gun apart. I wish these would have been around 6 months ago. If I get one of these I will sell my regulated flash, out law and the wife’s regulated Stromrider. Might have some cash left for a 22 Sumatra if I can find one on sale.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 17, 2018, 03:56:58 PM
Order placed for wood version. Jennifer is awesome to deal with. Can’t wait to receive the rifle.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: KnifeMaker on October 18, 2018, 09:55:48 AM
Hajimoto makes shroud internals. Work very well. give him a PM and inquire!


Is the shroud end threaded? If so, DonnyFl may very well have and adapter for an LDC in stock.


For very reasonable cost and good looking LDC Our own Rocker ! here on the forum.


For top end professional LDC's, DonnyFl and Neil Clague. Both quieter than the much bragged about Huggett. AND less costly.


Knife
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Post by: skorec on October 19, 2018, 02:20:13 PM
I have now two candidates Nova vista and  SPA M16D.  First available at EU will be the winner at/for   me.
I  only want :
1.   300 bar air reservoir
2.   Adjustable shooting air pressure
3.   Adjustable air transfer way throughput
4.   Adjustable hammer spring preloading
5.   Adjustable trigger weight 
6.   Long shrouded  barrel with additional ½-20 UNF screw
7.   Free floating barrel  and very  stable fix  into the steel  breach  but easy detach for barrel cleaning or change.
8.   Magazine long enough for any known slugs

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on October 22, 2018, 02:10:58 AM
Do you now someone about air pressure adjusting  ?
What is written inside manual about air pressure adjusting   ?
Is it  possible to adjust it  from 80 to 220 bar  or ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 22, 2018, 07:16:48 AM
Do you now someone about air pressure adjusting  ?
What is written inside manual about air pressure adjusting   ?
Is it  possible to adjust it  from 80 to 220 bar  or ???

I haven’t received my rifle yet. Maybe someone else has theres and can check in the manual for you.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on October 24, 2018, 02:53:09 PM
I was waiting until Black Friday to pick up a Gamo Urban but this looks better for the same price. Hope to see some reviews soon!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on October 24, 2018, 04:54:32 PM
I was waiting until Black Friday to pick up a Gamo Urban but this looks better for the same price. Hope to see some reviews soon!

My thoughts verbatim.
Shows the best bang for the buck bar none........so far from the initial reviews.
Waiting for the experts here on GTA to chime in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 24, 2018, 06:08:21 PM
Well I ordered on the 17th but my rifle has yet to ship. Gave them a call and someone’s supposed to be giving me a ring back regarding my order. They said label was created but weren’t sure if it was shipped yet. Hopefully they ship soon or it has shipped. Been looking for a tracking number since last week. Got the receipt but no shipping confirmation.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: GreyBeard1851 on October 24, 2018, 06:46:00 PM
Does anyone know which would be lighter, the synthetic or the wood.  The main thing I don't like about the  synthetic Marauder is (it is so heavy)   :-[
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on October 24, 2018, 06:56:36 PM
Synthetic is almost always lighter.
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Post by: GreyBeard1851 on October 25, 2018, 12:11:32 AM
Synthetic is almost always lighter.
Thank You. 8)
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Post by: VaporTrail on October 25, 2018, 03:34:19 AM
Well this just muddied the water even more.  ???

I thought I was set on a low-priced bulldog or a used Sumatra carbine...perhaps even a .25 Flash. Now this little gem shows up?

I'm curious about what pellet they used to get the 900FPS rating as well. Please, please...no "with PBA ammo" gimmicks. I'd really like a legit 950+ lead pellet rifle. Nice and short with decent weight, which the Sumatra and the Flash have. And apparently this one has it too.

As if my decisions weren't hard enough as it is. My wallet...it's weeping.  :o
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on October 25, 2018, 08:16:57 AM
Do you now someone about air pressure adjusting  ?
What is written inside manual about air pressure adjusting   ?
Is it  possible to adjust it  from 80 to 220 bar  or ???

No one is  experienced  with adjusting of air pressure set screw between the barrel and air reservoir :'( ?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on October 25, 2018, 08:43:53 AM
Skorec: search for it here on GTA and see Motorheads instructions. I remember him writing about it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on October 25, 2018, 09:21:24 AM
I have not found out yet anything about  adjusting air pressure at Nova Vista alpha  . I have just found out some nice info for adjusting hammer spring preloading on freedom multi-pump version. I believe that it is also able to do the same way at/on  not multi-pump   version.

I put it here
https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/power-tuning-nova-freedom-air-rifle/
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on October 25, 2018, 10:21:21 AM
I don't think anyone here has one yet. It will take time before people learn the adjustments. I believe only Back_Roads has one and that was a complete accident.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on October 25, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
Well this just muddied the water even more.  ???

I thought I was set on a low-priced bulldog or a used Sumatra carbine...perhaps even a .25 Flash. Now this little gem shows up?

I'm curious about what pellet they used to get the 900FPS rating as well. Please, please...no "with PBA ammo" gimmicks. I'd really like a legit 950+ lead pellet rifle. Nice and short with decent weight, which the Sumatra and the Flash have. And apparently this one has it too.

As if my decisions weren't hard enough as it is. My wallet...it's weeping.  :o

I believe from watching some online videos in foreign languages both JSB 18.13 and Barracuda Match 21 Grain were in the 900's
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 25, 2018, 06:21:22 PM
Subscribed...  This look promising!
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Post by: tracker1955 on October 25, 2018, 07:25:17 PM
Ya Paul, I'm watching it too, looks to be built better from the start than the DAR was.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: VaporTrail on October 25, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
Well this just muddied the water even more.  ???

I thought I was set on a low-priced bulldog or a used Sumatra carbine...perhaps even a .25 Flash. Now this little gem shows up?

I'm curious about what pellet they used to get the 900FPS rating as well. Please, please...no "with PBA ammo" gimmicks. I'd really like a legit 950+ lead pellet rifle. Nice and short with decent weight, which the Sumatra and the Flash have. And apparently this one has it too.

As if my decisions weren't hard enough as it is. My wallet...it's weeping.  :o

I believe from watching some online videos in foreign languages both JSB 18.13 and Barracuda Match 21 Grain were in the 900's

 :o :o :o

21gr at 900's? That's hovering near 38 FPE. She's a right-out-of-the-box thumper! I feel sorry for all your squirrels, rabbits, groundhogs and raccoons...they're going to get thrashed. Too bad I don't have those here.

Well...guess another gun is on the list.  :P
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Post by: gendoc on October 25, 2018, 07:56:14 PM
Ya Paul, I'm watching it too, looks to be built better from the start than the DAR was.
yes, this is interesting to me also.... ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on October 25, 2018, 08:05:54 PM
I was told my order would ship today. So I hope it happens. Really wanted to get a scope on it and take it to the farm next Wednesday but looks like I’ll be pushing it. Plus it’ll take time to settle the regulator I’am told. Never had a gun with one so I wouldn’t know except from what I watch and read. Should be fun even if it’s half the gun I’am thinking it is.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 25, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
We are hoping you are happily surprised and it is what we have been waiting for.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on October 25, 2018, 10:18:37 PM
Even before the regulator gets settled in, the extreme spread probably won't be any worse than an unregulated gun would be.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on October 25, 2018, 10:46:29 PM
Even before the regulator gets settled in, the extreme spread probably won't be any worse than an unregulated gun would be.

+1
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Post by: pat585 on October 26, 2018, 08:15:26 PM
Hi ALL - I saw the post on this rifle last week, it has all the features i like so i called american tactical last friday & talked with jennifer & had it by monday. I guess i got lucky because i see some of you are still waiting for yours. The wait will be worth it. The gun is called the nova liberty. I have the synthetic model that was $299.00 & $8.50 shipped to N.Y. Although i have been shooting pcp's about 2yrs i am a new be as far as working on them goes. I can tell you what i know so far-  It has a 300 bar reservoir, regulator, hi/low switch shrouded barrel with no baffles,mine has adj fiber optic sights that i removed and weighs just 6.5 lbs. I have only put about 100 rounds through it but it's a tack driver with chp 14.3. I get between 726-731 fps on low and 888-907 fps on high with 20 shots for each setting. The fit & finish is above average on mine. Really can't find one negative thing so far except the trigger which on mine was 4 lbs. The best i could get it down to is 3 lb 13 oz. It is 2 stage with a nice first stage that hits a hard second stage but has no creep so i am sure someone who knows triggers will be able to get it manageable. Surprisingly even with the hard pull i am getting 1/4 groups at 20 yards (basement range). My biggest problem with it is i can't remove the action from the stock! The synthetic stock is molded on the forearm up around the air cylinder so after removing the trigger guard screw, 2 screws on the side & the front swivel stud it still would not budge. I think after degassing the cylinder & removing it then the action will come out? There are 2 o rings on the bolt probe & they give you 2 spares. I also got 2 marauder style mags with an aluminum single shot tray & a stainless steel fill probe. O yea i almost forgot that there is a screw on the bottom of the stock that degasses the rifle--Even easier then on my hatsans. The you tube  video says the cylinder is titanium but i can't verify that. I wrote jennifer about the stock removal & she said she would look into it & get back to me. I am sure once this gun gets into more talented hands this will be a winner. I can see 250 -300 shots on low power with a good tuning. Either way you wont be dissapointed with it. CYA 
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 26, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
Hi ALL - I saw the post on this rifle last week, it has all the features i like so i called american tactical last friday & talked with jennifer & had it by monday. I guess i got lucky because i see some of you are still waiting for yours. The wait will be worth it. The gun is called the nova liberty. I have the synthetic model that was $299.00 & $8.50 shipped to N.Y. Although i have been shooting pcp's about 2yrs i am a new be as far as working on them goes. I can tell you what i know so far-  It has a 300 bar reservoir, regulator, hi/low switch shrouded barrel with no baffles,mine has adj fiber optic sights that i removed and weighs just 6.5 lbs. I have only put about 100 rounds through it but it's a tack driver with chp 14.3. I get between 726-731 fps on low and 888-907 fps on high with 20 shots for each setting. The fit & finish is above average on mine. Really can't find one negative thing so far except the trigger which on mine was 4 lbs. The best i could get it down to is 3 lb 13 oz. It is 2 stage with a nice first stage that hits a hard second stage but has no creep so i am sure someone who knows triggers will be able to get it manageable. Surprisingly even with the hard pull i am getting 1/4 groups at 20 yards (basement range). My biggest problem with it is i can't remove the action from the stock! The synthetic stock is molded on the forearm up around the air cylinder so after removing the trigger guard screw, 2 screws on the side & the front swivel stud it still would not budge. I think after degassing the cylinder & removing it then the action will come out? There are 2 o rings on the bolt probe & they give you 2 spares. I also got 2 marauder style mags with an aluminum single shot tray & a stainless steel fill probe. O yea i almost forgot that there is a screw on the bottom of the stock that degasses the rifle--Even easier then on my hatsans. The you tube  video says the cylinder is titanium but i can't verify that. I wrote jennifer about the stock removal & she said she would look into it & get back to me. I am sure once this gun gets into more talented hands this will be a winner. I can see 250 -300 shots on low power with a good tuning. Either way you wont be dissapointed with it. CYA 

Thanks for the update. I have been waiting since last Wednesday and I’m in the next state over🤔. I too would like to see what the tuners will be able to get out of these. Hoping to learn myself.
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 26, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
These come with open sights???
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Post by: Lastdog on October 26, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
Just checked American Tactical’s web site and the have them listed.
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Post by: pat585 on October 26, 2018, 09:31:16 PM
Mine came with real nice adj fiber optic sights but not sure if they all do. When i was talking to jennifer she never mentioned open sights & said it came with only 1 mag- mine came with 2! I can see where open sights would come in handy but i just shoot targets  for groups. Another thing i forgot to mention is i clean my barrels from the breech so i removed the barrel with the 3 screws on top. The shroud doesn't thread into the breech but on a collar that is held on with another screw onto the barrel & there is a hole in the shroud that screws into the collar.  There is also a collar with 2 o rings midway down the barrel to keep the shroud centered. My barrel was full of the china goop but as i was cleaning it i noticed it has the tightest bore i have seen. It was an effort to get patches through it. This could be were the good accuracy is coming from?
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Post by: skorec on October 27, 2018, 03:24:16 AM
Pat,
Thanks fo sharing info.

Did you notice screw between barrel shroud and air cylinder locking from front side ?
What is written at manual about it ?

Can you share some scans from user manual ?

Thanks before
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 27, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
Pat, do you own a Marauder?  Just curious if the Marauder baffles would fit in the NV Liberty shroud?  Since it seems to use a Marauder magazine, maybe it borrowed some other parts as well...  I know a couple vendors on here sell the Marauder baffles, so if they fit that might be an option to quiet the bark some...
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Post by: pat585 on October 27, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
I see the part you are talking about but manual say's nothing about it? It does say The rifle is equipped with a 400 bar (5800) automatic overpressure valve-(burst disk)? I'll bet that will make you change your underwear in a hurry!! I don't understand why none of the airgun companies can't  include one more page in their manuals with a parts schematic?
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Post by: pat585 on October 27, 2018, 10:53:20 AM
Paul- The rifle is not bad sound wise which didn't make sense to me because of no baffles. I did try marauder baffles & also hatsan baffles but no go. The id. of the nova shroud is .8840, my marauder is ..7675 & my hatsan gladius is .8325. I have moderators on all my rifles except the marauder. On my gladius i just removed the shroud completely & put a weihrauch moderator on it.  The marauder magazine does fit in the nova but it doesn't snap in like the factory mag so i would stick with the originals. I am sure that donny  can make an adaptor for the threaded muzzle end but i shoot mine on low power & the sound doesn't really bother me. But i understand that sound affects everyone different.   
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 27, 2018, 11:08:11 AM
Paul- The rifle is not bad sound wise which didn't make sense to me because of no baffles. I did try marauder baffles & also hatsan baffles but no go. The id. of the nova shroud is .8840, my marauder is ..7675 & my hatsan gladius is .8325. I have moderators on all my rifles except the marauder. On my gladius i just removed the shroud completely & put a weihrauch moderator on it.  The marauder magazine does fit in the nova but it doesn't snap in like the factory mag so i would stick with the originals. I am sure that donny  can make an adaptor for the threaded muzzle end but i shoot mine on low power & the sound doesn't really bother me. But i understand that sound affects everyone different.

Thank you!  I guess it was a fleeting hope that they shared the same shroud...  On the magazine, I wonder if they are actually using the Umarex Gauntlet magazines?  I know the Marauder magazine fits the Gauntlet, albeit not as snug as the Umarex magazine does, but the Gauntlet magazines won't always fit the Marauder because they are slightly thicker.  If a Gauntlet magazine fits, that would be awesome because you can typically find them cheaper than the Marauder magazines.. 
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Post by: Missed-Em on October 27, 2018, 11:22:44 AM
Realtempted to pull the trigger on this one but a couple weeks off so hopefully by then we can get more hands on info.  The ATI sight is pretty bad for details as well as pics so how about someone posting some pictures for us to drool on?  I like the more traditional look to the stock as well as the included sling studs, a nice extra.
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Post by: pat585 on October 27, 2018, 11:54:23 AM
It's funny that i wrote Nova in china an e-mail after i first got my rifle telling them that they were on the right track with the way the gun is set up. They replied within a couple of hours and thanked me and said how they were working hard to make inroads into the pcp world. Then i e-mailed again asking how to remove the synthetic stock from the action & never heard back. I guess they don't want us working on our guns! I am sure everything will be figured out in time.   
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 27, 2018, 12:08:08 PM
I'm very tempted. My .177 Nova Freedom was an absolute tack driver and loved the open sights on it. This would be a great gun for me as I really want a quiet PCP with open sights but wasn't the biggest fan of pumping when I have my own compressor and tank lol call me spoiled and I just want to shoot without pumping it back up and this looks like a great option
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Post by: pat585 on October 27, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
Couldn't agree more! I have an AV compressor & could never go back to hand pumping so i guess i'm spoiled now too. I remember as a kid before remote controls were invented having to  constantly get up & down to change the tv channel-- All 3 of them! So i am all for anything that makes life easier. The  300 bar cylinder is what got my attention- lots of shots on one fill. Does anyone know how to tell for sure if the cylinder is titanium? I know a magnet will not stick to good quality stainless but not sure how to detect titanium?
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Post by: Imold on October 27, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
Glad I seen this thread, I have a Synthetic American Tactical Nova Freedom .22 in my shopping cart on Amazon right now and have been deciding if I should hit buy, I have had it in my cart for a couple weeks now.
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Post by: Eddie_E on October 27, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
Imold, check the air cylinder volume on both models. I thought I saw the Freedom having 22 shots on the reg and the Liberty having 50 shots on the reg.

P.S. I don't own either, but my wife is starting to ask what I want for Christmas, so I'm researching.
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Post by: pat585 on October 27, 2018, 03:35:16 PM
Raining all day here in upstate N.Y. so i figured good time to put some lead down range. I filled the nova to 300 bar with the adjuster set to low. Shooting crosman 14.3 i shot down to 200 bar and got 80 shots with a high of 736 & a low of 727. Magazines  worked flawless & sidelever is buttery smooth. Not as good as my wildcat but pretty darn close. I also have a spa M16 & P15 and their regs are nowhere near as good as the nova, let alone the mags! On my spa M16 i have to push each pellet in with a pencil. My spas are accurate but the regs are nowhere as consistent. Can't wait to see what the tuners can do with this gun!   
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 27, 2018, 07:54:16 PM
Well guys just received my rifle and I think the wait may have been worth it. Won’t be able to shoot until tomorrow or maybe next Wednesday. I will try to upload some photos here pretty soon.
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 27, 2018, 08:20:17 PM
Exciting! I'm interested to know what caliber you got?
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 27, 2018, 08:27:41 PM
Looking forward to seeing some pictures and hearing your opinion!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 27, 2018, 09:05:42 PM
I got the wood stock in .22 caliber. I can tell you I’m pleased with the fit and finish on my gun for the price. It’s not walnut but I think it looks fine better than marauder stocks thats for sure. Although I am mainly using the rifle for the squirrel woods. Now that’s not to say she’s a bad looker,but not on par with the Krals I was looking at. I wouldn’t expect it to be either at $200 less😏. That being said I don’t need a beauty queen to feel bad about scratching and dinging up while trekking through laurels or briars. I do like that it has open sights and comes with sling swivels as well. My trigger came a little heavier almost 3 1/2lbs but I haven’t tried adjusting yet. I actually like it bc it breaks really smooth and has a short take up. I’m really looking forward to spending time with the new gun. For some reason my photobucket is acting up and won’t let me upload from my phone. I’ll figure out and get you guys at least one photo hopefully🙂.
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Post by: Back_Roads on October 27, 2018, 11:02:21 PM
 BTW if I say something is a good deal for the $ ... it more than likely is ;)
 If one sees the need for baffles in the shroud, perhaps sen GEO the measurements and he can 3D print some , others could also spin something up on a lath.
 Glad those who dared took the"risk" with this gun, after the DAR scare.
 The Nova Freedom is not regulated, but can be pumped after 5- 10 shots depending on the cal. to give similar results.
 Happy shooting to all and to all a good night :)

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Post by: skorec on October 28, 2018, 08:25:50 AM

 The Nova Freedom is not regulated, but can be pumped after 5- 10 shots depending on the cal. to give similar results.
 Happy shooting to all and to all a good night :)

YES  it is  much better scenario then to  use split air pump. But for owners of home 300bar air compressor  is better  to use 300bar regulated/adjusted Nova Alpha.
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Post by: Lastdog on October 28, 2018, 08:29:26 AM
Here is a picture of the nova liberty.
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Post by: skorec on October 28, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
wow,

Can you also add   pictures of technical details ?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 28, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
Good looking gun James. Here is mine hopefully this comes through. I’ve got my scope and sling on it already.
(http://)
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Post by: Missed-Em on October 28, 2018, 09:28:51 AM
Can you remove the front sight?  Sure sticks up in the air and would be a limb catcher I'd think.
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Post by: Back_Roads on October 28, 2018, 09:31:11 AM
Yes loosen set screw and it slips right off.
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Post by: Lastdog on October 28, 2018, 09:37:03 AM
Trying to post Manuel. Hope this works.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 28, 2018, 09:38:31 AM
Can you remove the front sight?  Sure sticks up in the air and would be a limb catcher I'd think.
Yes loosen set screw and it slips right off.

Yeah I left it on just bc it doesn’t interfere with my sight picture looking through my scope. If it becomes a issue it will be coming off that is for sure.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 28, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
Trying to post Manuel. Hope this works.

Can you upload this again?  When I download it and try to open it it say the file is empty...  Not sure what that means, but it won't open for me...

Or, post a link to where you found the manual...  Thanks...
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 28, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
Beautiful looking guns guys!
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Post by: Lastdog on October 28, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Trying manuel again. It is a pdf file Jennifer at American tactical sent me. If this doesn’t work call her Monday and ask her to send you one. I wish they would supply a link on their site.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 28, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
Trying to attach as well...  Files too big, here a link to dropbox:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmojx5rmowef28b/NOVA%20LIBERTY%20MANUAL.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmojx5rmowef28b/NOVA%20LIBERTY%20MANUAL.pdf?dl=0)
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Post by: Eddie_E on October 28, 2018, 11:29:41 AM
How does the physical size of the Liberty compare to the Diana Outlaw or Brocock Bantam?
 I remember the first time I had a Stormrider in my hands, I nearly dismissed it as a Jr size model before I read a contest report that said the trigger to grip length is almost full size.
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Post by: Lastdog on October 28, 2018, 12:01:12 PM
Eddie-e it’s about the same as the out law size wise.
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Post by: pat585 on October 28, 2018, 12:12:24 PM
I agree- The outlaw & liberty could be brothers. Don't know if it matters but i get 131/2 in. from end of pad to trigger on the outlaw & 14 in. for the nova. The brocock being a semi bullpup is 141/2.
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Post by: skorec on October 28, 2018, 02:42:52 PM
Thanks a loooooot for sharing  manual .

I have not found out in it any info about adjusting output air pressure but is there written that you need to refill when air  pressure at reservoir  is equal 100bar.  Therefore I perhaps that output air pressure is set to 90-95 bar.  I am not sure if I understood right the video   but I am thinging  that they mentioned some possibility of air  pressure adjusting  via some  screw locating between barrel shroud and air reservoir.

 Am I wrong ?
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Post by: pat585 on October 28, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
That's what i thought when i watched the video. Anyone know how to translate that youtube video to english?
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Post by: MB on October 28, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
That's what i thought when i watched the video. Anyone know how to translate that youtube video to english?

Play the video with volume up while using translate app on phone
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Post by: pat585 on October 28, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
Thanks Mike- Somehow technology past me by. I don't have a smartphone or pc. I have a chromebook that is fast & does all i need. I am waiting  to hear back from american tactical on how i can remove my liberty action from the stock but i too would like to know what that brass screw between the barrel & cylinder  is for? Maybe someone with a smartphone could translate.
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Post by: Lastdog on October 29, 2018, 08:05:14 AM
Pat, I don’t speak Hindi but now days it is kind of like Spanglish ( Caribbean Spanish/English). Hindi mixed with English. From watching the video he repeats “regulator adjustment “.
I have never seen a set up like this and don’t see how turning the screw between the schroud and barrel could adjust the regulator he shows earlier. Maybe adjusts air flow or spring tension?
I am leaving the country for two months so I have not bought one yet but am definitely getting one when I get home. I will be watching this thread. If you decide to turn the screw and find out what happens. Please post the results. Good luck and stay safe.
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Post by: smythsg on October 29, 2018, 09:49:37 AM
Nice looking rifle, does remind me of my M16. Hopefully parts will be easier to get than what we are now experiencing with SPA.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on October 29, 2018, 10:32:45 AM
Nice looking rifle, does remind me of my M16. Hopefully parts will be easier to get than what we are now experiencing with SPA.

Would be even better if you didn't need to worry about getting parts!  Like, having an air rifle that worked reliably and didn't need to have parts replaced!  LOL!
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Post by: pat585 on October 29, 2018, 10:50:52 AM
Thank's James- Hopefully when you get back their will be a lot more answers than questions on the liberty. As of now i am very happy with it. The accuracy is great & shot count is very impressive. As i just target shoot i have set all my triggers at 1 lb or less so squeezing the 3 Lb 13 oz nova trigger just doesn't cut it. It reminds me of shooting one of my hatsans with their automatic safety's.  I get all set to pull the trigger and then find the safety is on. If i was a hunter i'm sure i would have disconnected them from day one. The reg on mine is very consistent compared to my m16 & p15. Could the nova liberty be improved? Absolutely, but it will have to be done by more experienced hands then mine. Anyway's safe travels. 
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 29, 2018, 12:24:04 PM
I really want one of these...in both calibers lol
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Post by: pat585 on October 29, 2018, 01:14:59 PM
Dillon -I really haven't found a thing wrong with this rifle except the heavy trigger, which will get sorted out!. For a comparison i paid $ 500.00 for my M16 & $600.00 for my P15 from mrodair.This gun was $299.00 & Literally blows them away. I just put 40 more rounds through mine with JSB 15s, which i save for my wildcat & the accuracy is blowing me away. At 20 yards it just keeps stacking them in a nice 1/4 in hole!! Now i know most everyone shoots at longer ranges but if it's this good at 20yds doesn't that translate  to being accurate at longer range?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 29, 2018, 01:53:42 PM
Dillon -I really haven't found a thing wrong with this rifle except the heavy trigger, which will get sorted out!. For a comparison i paid $ 500.00 for my M16 & $600.00 for my P15 from mrodair.This gun was $299.00 & Literally blows them away. I just put 40 more rounds through mine with JSB 15s, which i save for my wildcat & the accuracy is blowing me away. At 20 yards it just keeps stacking them in a nice 1/4 in hole!! Now i know most everyone shoots at longer ranges but if it's this good at 20yds doesn't that translate  to being accurate at longer range? Pat have you tried any heavier pellets so far?

Great to know accuracy is good. I plan on going out to the farm on my day off sighting the gun in and shooting some groups at 25,50,75,100yds. I’d also like to get in a hunt but I dunno if time will allow it. Will post pictures to the thread of my groups.
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Post by: pat585 on October 29, 2018, 02:34:49 PM
Hope your wood version shoots as good as my synthetic. Just shot some AA 16gr & 18gr jsbs and they grouped great. One thing i forgot to mention is the high/low switch does not have detents and the manual states not to shoot the gun in the middle position. So what would happen if it's shoot in the middle? I also like the safety is shaped like a pellet. Nice touch.
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 29, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
Pat,

I had the Nova Freedom in .177 for awhile and loved it. Great accuracy, nice smooth side lever, perfect levels of power at 12fpe for low and 19fpe for high. I honestly really liked the trigger, alittle heavier than others but very crisp. Shot it mainly open sights and loved it. Just didn't want to pump anymore. I've been waiting and hoping for the PCP versions to come out and now there here. I'm sure I'll jump on one eventually.
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Post by: pat585 on October 29, 2018, 03:10:18 PM
Dillon- I read your earlier post on the nova freedom. With a 2 stage adj. trigger i was hoping i could get it down to at least 1lb.The best i could do is 3lb 13oz. It is a nice crisp trigger but when my brain says to fire i don't want to then have to keep  squeezing the trigger! I have some benchrest rifles with 2oz triggers so i guess i got spoiled
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 29, 2018, 03:23:43 PM
Pat,

I can see that being an issue lol. I'm more of a hunter and anything between 1.5-3lbs works for me. As long as it's crisp. Scoped in the 1.5lb range if open sights I like the 3lbs. But totally different situation than yours! I'm sure a spring can be changed out to a lighter one on the trigger.
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Post by: pat585 on October 29, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Yea i agree. But as i said earlier i took every screw out including the frt. swivel stud and the action won't budge! I just sent another e-mail to american tactical as jennifer said she would look into it. By the way while i was on the site i clicked on the rifle column just to see what they carry. They have nova vista rifles in .22,22mag, with a side lever toggle action! Pretty cool.
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 30, 2018, 12:48:37 AM
Maybe I'll need to get one and play with it!  ;D
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Post by: pat585 on October 31, 2018, 10:41:43 AM
Just a quick update! American Tactical is not too good at replying to e-mails so it's better if you just call. I just talked to jennifer about removing the action  on the Liberty & she said she had one on her desk & will get back to me as soon as  they get it figured out. Every rifle i've ever owned has always come apart with just a couple of screws on the bottom. I am curious to see to see the reason behind this design. 
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 31, 2018, 12:08:39 PM
I have a synthetic .177 coming today or tomorrow so if they don't find out I will
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Post by: pat585 on October 31, 2018, 02:03:56 PM
Thank's Dillon- That would be great. Hope its a shooter. :'( Just got back from the dentist. I have a partial & was thinking about getting implants! At $5000.00 dollars for each implant I now have to choose between the implants or more air guns. Easy choice right!! Either way the only thing hurting will be my wallet.https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/Smileys/default/cry.gif (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/Smileys/default/cry.gif)
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 31, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
Ok guys so I had a chance to shoot the Liberty in .22 today at some extended ranges. I was very pleased with rifle it performed excellent. I started off with the Jsb 18.13gr and then switched up to H&N baracuda hunters. The baracuda hunters actually did better than the jsb’s at 30yds. I found that the barcuda’s acfually fit a little tighter in the chamber than the jsb’s so maybe they were engaging the rifling better? Anyhow I decided to shoot a group at 50yds with the baracuda hunters and they were still about the size of a nickel at 50yds. I believe my groups would have been better had I been shooting of a nice rest. Only thing I was able to shoot consistently off of was my balled up hunting pack so I’m sure the rifle has more in it. I wasn’t able to bring my chrony out today but I felt like the gun was not on high power. Could be just me but it was really quiet compared to my other pcp. After hearing ppl say it wasnt back yard friendly I’d have to disagree in my experience.

I can’t wait for someone to get there hands on one of these that know what they are doing. If I didn’t have to pay $600 to get a new key fob for my car I’d buy another one in synthetic. This is my experience with the gun. Here is the group at 30yds with the jsb’s. I pulled one shot so I shot another it was not the gun it was me and my rest. Enjoy
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Post by: Dairyboy on October 31, 2018, 08:06:56 PM
Excellent! I can't wait to get mine
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Post by: Fwawa20 on October 31, 2018, 08:22:10 PM

I think you’ll enjoy it. Mine is a shooter but I need a little more time with it. I havent cleaned the barrel or anything so she’s straight out the box driving racks. Def confused about the power lvl. Bc I think it may be too quiet but maybe not. I’ll check with the chrony next time bc Airhunters said ge got an average of 890 with 18.13 Jsb’s during his review. Maybe he up his regulator pressure? Doesn’t seem to be pellet fussy at the moment and I’m glad bc I’d like to shoot some hollow points if they shoot just as well as the jsb’s at those medium ranges.
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Post by: Back_Roads on October 31, 2018, 08:40:42 PM
 A nickle @ 50 just chillin aint bad accuracy at all :)
 I shot mine @ a HFT match, on low, other members that shot 1200 and up rifles were impressed .
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Post by: VaporTrail on October 31, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
So is this rifle still sitting around 907 FPS with the 14.3 pellets? I was hoping for a bit more power so that I can use heavier pellets to max out my FPE.

I'm hovering between this and the Flash. Any comparisons?
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Post by: pat585 on October 31, 2018, 09:05:23 PM
Nice shooting!! I think it will get even better with a good cleaning. My .22 liberty took me about 20 patches. I understand they have to use a preservative in the barrel but boy that stuff really sticks. I am noise sensitive but this gun  doesn't seem to bother me. It's sort of a quick snap. I was going to get a donny adaptor for a moderator but so far i have not felt the need. How's the pull weight on your trigger? Enjoy your new gun.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 01, 2018, 12:58:13 AM
Nice shooting!! I think it will get even better with a good cleaning. My .22 liberty took me about 20 patches. I understand they have to use a preservative in the barrel but boy that stuff really sticks. I am noise sensitive but this gun  doesn't seem to bother me. It's sort of a quick snap. I was going to get a donny adaptor for a moderator but so far i have not felt the need. How's the pull weight on your trigger? Enjoy your new gun.

My trigger is a little heavy I’m going to try to adjust it. It breaks really nice but is about 3 1/2 pounds. If I could get it to 2 or below I would be really pleased.
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 09:46:00 AM
Same as mine. The spec sheet says .05-4lbs adjustment range but i must be missing something because i can't get mine below 3 1/2 lbs. I guessing we are going to have to replace some springs?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 01, 2018, 10:15:37 AM
Same as mine. The spec sheet says .05-4lbs adjustment range but i must be missing something because i can't get mine below 3 1/2 lbs. I guessing we are going to have to replace some springs?

Ihaven’t tried adjusting the trigger yet. Honestly haven’t read the manual at all. Time has not been very abundant resource for me since I just got married and switched jobs. I will hopefully have time this weekend to really dive in but I definitely won’t count it. I’ll let you know if I figure it out once I break it down.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 11:15:36 AM
I got my .177 last night at 630 but had people coming at 645 so had no time to shoot until after. So at 1015 I went and got it roughly sighted in and accuracy seems very good. Trigger is on the heavier side but will deal with that also. Very very crisp though. I'm working on cleaning the barrel (very dirty) and the trigger today and should shoot some groups later.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 01, 2018, 11:37:27 AM
I got my .177 last night at 630 but had people coming at 645 so had no time to shoot until after. So at 1015 I went and got it roughly sighted in and accuracy seems very good. Trigger is on the heavier side but will deal with that also. Very very crisp though. I'm working on cleaning the barrel (very dirty) and the trigger today and should shoot some groups later.

It’s amazinh how crisp that trigger is though right? If we can adjust them down I don’t see how you could get much better as far as the break goes!!
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 11:54:23 AM
Agree 100%- I'm hopeing that when  Dillon gets time he can figure out how to remove the stock? I have now been told twice by american tactical that they have the synthetic rifle right in front of them & once they get it apart they will let me know! Been waiting for a week for an answer!!!
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
I should have some time between now and Sunday to figure that out if not I'll have 4+hrs Sunday morning to get it out of the stock lol
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
Sounds good. Hope you don't have to resort to physical violence. Ha Ha. Dillon i even e-mailed Nova directly and never got a response. What's the big deal about removing the stock from the action that no one can give me an answer??
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 01, 2018, 12:46:36 PM
Agree 100%- I'm hopeing that when  Dillon gets time he can figure out how to remove the stock? I have now been told twice by american tactical that they have the synthetic rifle right in front of them & once they get it apart they will let me know! Been waiting for a week for an answer!!!

Yeah they never answered my emails I sent and my rifle sat there for a week before they shipped. I’m not sure what’s going on there but seems like they may be short staffed. I don’t like talking negatively because I’m unsure of the situation they are in. The Retail sales industry can be very tough.

Dillion I hope you can get that stock off. Pat has been dying for a week to get that thing off 🤭. I really would like to know if it’s possible to adjust regulator pressure and how. I was thinking of going to a huma if possible but the gun shoots so well I don’t think I’d do that now.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 01, 2018, 12:54:52 PM
I'm waiting for the outcome of this stock removal issue and the trigger adjustment verdict before I take the plunge!  If the synthetic stock proves to be too difficult to remove, I may just bite the extra cost and go with the wood stock! 

I guess I should ask the question:  Does anyone have one with a wood stock, and is it easier to remove?   :o
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 01, 2018, 01:03:09 PM
I'm waiting for the outcome of this stock removal issue and the trigger adjustment verdict before I take the plunge!  If the synthetic stock proves to be too difficult to remove, I may just bite the extra cost and go with the wood stock! 

I guess I should ask the question:  Does anyone have one with a wood stock, and is it easier to remove?   :o

I have wood stock haven’t tried to remove anything so far. Doesn’t seem like anything extra is holding it in place on the wood version though.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 01, 2018, 01:09:23 PM
I'm waiting for the outcome of this stock removal issue and the trigger adjustment verdict before I take the plunge!  If the synthetic stock proves to be too difficult to remove, I may just bite the extra cost and go with the wood stock! 

I guess I should ask the question:  Does anyone have one with a wood stock, and is it easier to remove?   :o

I have wood stock haven’t tried to remove anything so far. Doesn’t seem like anything extra is holding it in place on the wood version though.

That's definitely good to know.  I guess I'll wait and see what the removal of the synthetic stock entails before I decide.  I'm hoping AT may have a sale for Veteran's Day also...
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
Paul I don't think the stock removal will be difficult, it's just a matter of knowing what to do. These rifles have a screw on the bottom of the stock that with a 1/4 turn will degas the gun. Can't get much easier. But i don't want  to force anything or remove the cylinder until i know more . The nova vista web site says it's a cutting-edge synthetic stock. Whatever that means. Also the video shows the wood stock version  coming apart as a normal rifle would. It's just to bad i can't get an answer to a simple question!!!
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Post by: Lastdog on November 01, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
Just talked to AT and they still have no answer about removing the stock on the synthetic liberty. Did say that the freedom stock is no-removable. (Of course can be done but not without breaking something). I am going to wait until they give an answer before I buy. I am leaning heavily towards the wood. Just because I like it tinker.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 03:38:37 PM
Well I decided to play with it a bit to try to get it off. So let's just say this is a complicated stock to get off. I didn't get it all the way off though. What I was able to do was get the front pieces off (yes they are 2 halves that go together) but the part by the trigger looks complicated and couldn't figure it out. I'm not getting it off without messing up the stock. I'm assuming the wood will be easy to take off but not the synthetic. Oh well. Mine seems to love AA 10.3gr on both high and low. Crosman 10.5gr were 2nd place. Being I scoped it mainly just to get an idea on accuracy I do plan on shooting it open sights to take place of a open sight springer. It's going to be a plinker/pester for me.
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Post by: Lastdog on November 01, 2018, 03:49:15 PM
Dillon, were you able to get to the adjustment between the barrel and air reservoir?
Very curious as to what the does.

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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Dillon, were you able to get to the adjustment between the barrel and air reservoir?
Very curious as to what the does.



The high/low power adjuster? It's just a transfer port reducer.
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 05:40:06 PM
Dillon- thank's for trying.  I think james was asking about the brass screw on the front of the receiver under the shroud & above the cylinder. That guy talked about it in the video but i couldn't understand..  I never thought it was a 2 piece stock. Now if you have to send the gun back under warranty for a problem they must know how to remove the action for repair. Only reason i could think of would be it must save them money somehow when assembling. Very Strange!!
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 06:04:11 PM
No problem Pat, I did my best but just can't figure out the back half. The front part is 2 separate pieces that are held together by the screws that go in sideways into the stock, and the front swivel stud. The degasser screw stays as is. There's a little plug like looking circle by the trigger pack and I think under there is a screw to remove the stock from the action along with the one behind the trigger pack.

The brass adjuster I think has to be played with with the airtube degassed and removed. I'm not quite sure what it does.
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 07:00:49 PM
Yes i noticed the plug covers on the stock too. Their has to be screws under there. I was going to try prying with a jewelers screwdriver but didn't want to bugger up the stock. Have you ever taken your tv remote apart? Anything made with plastic can be a real pain to seperate. I used a butter knife on my remote & it worked but did leave a few marks. There must be a special tool for separating plastic. Lets see what youtube has to say?
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 08:51:02 PM
I got it!!!! FINALLY. After dillon said it was 2 pieces i took another look. So the forearm is 2 halves held by the front swivel stud & 2 allen screws on the side of stock. When i spread them apart it felt like i was going to break some tabs but i got both sides off without anything breaking. Did i mention i hate taking plastic apart!! Anyway right in front of the trigger guard there is a rectangular cut out with a circle in the middle. I used a jewelers screwdriver & drove it in at the seam of the circle. It a long plug with an allen bolt under it. Unscrewing that just takes the rectangular piece off. Then you will see another allen bolt going right into the action. Remove that & the buttstock comes off. This setup looks like a lot more work then if they just used a regular stock with a drop in action, but they must have their reasons. So know we know how to get the stock off. Now if someone wants to dig in the trigger & let me know what to do i would appreciate it. I am not familiar with working on triggers so i will leave that up to you guys. It looks like 2 allen screws & the trigger group  drops out of a housing. I would like to get my trigger down to 1 lb or less. BTW i am leaving the plug out as it serves no purpose except to cover the screw hole.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 01, 2018, 08:56:44 PM
Excellent Pat!! I'll be doing the same then later! Yeah I was afraid of cracking the stock but took apart and went together pretty easily thankfully
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 09:08:55 PM
Quick Update- The allen bolts on the trigger are the adjustment screws- I must have had a brain fart! The safety is held on with a phillips screw & there are 4 pins that must be drifted out to pull out the trigger.
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Post by: Lastdog on November 01, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
I got it!!!! FINALLY. After dillon said it was 2 pieces i took another look. So the forearm is 2 halves held by the front swivel stud & 2 allen screws on the side of stock. When i spread them apart it felt like i was going to break some tabs but i got both sides off without anything breaking. Did i mention i hate taking plastic apart!! Anyway right in front of the trigger guard there is a rectangular cut out with a circle in the middle. I used a jewelers screwdriver & drove it in at the seam of the circle. It a long plug with an allen bolt under it. Unscrewing that just takes the rectangular piece off. Then you will see another allen bolt going right into the action. Remove that & the buttstock comes off. This setup looks like a lot more work then if they just used a regular stock with a drop in action, but they must have their reasons. So know we know how to get the stock off. Now if someone wants to dig in the trigger & let me know what to do i would appreciate it. I am not familiar with working on triggers so i will leave that up to you guys. It looks like 2 allen screws & the trigger group  drops out of a housing. I would like to get my trigger down to 1 lb or less. BTW i am leaving the plug out as it serves no purpose except to cover the screw hole.
.         New to this guote stuff. Maybe you should let American tactical know how to remove the stock.
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Post by: pat585 on November 01, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
A couple more things- I noticed that the burst disk on mine says 6k. I take it that means it will let loose at 6000 psi? That's a lot of air!! I re watched that video & he definitely points out that brass screw between the shroud & cylinder is the regulator adjustment. I can't see how to adjust the hammer spring yet. A schematic would sure help.
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Post by: skorec on November 02, 2018, 02:42:52 AM
A couple more things- I noticed that the burst disk on mine says 6k. I take it that means it will let loose at 6000 psi? That's a lot of air!! I re watched that video & he definitely points out that brass screw between the shroud & cylinder is the regulator adjustment. I can't see how to adjust the hammer spring yet. A schematic would sure help.

YES I also have understood some air regulator but I am not sure if it not only screw for choking air transfer way and air pressure regulator itself is the roll/drum/cylinder  near/next  the bleeding screw inside the stock. But I am not able to understand speaking English too much.   
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 11:28:22 AM
Peter - I'm sure all of us that have this rifle want to know more, but unfortunately it's new here in the states & it will take time to get in the right hands! I am happy with everything so far except the trigger but i too will have to wait until i can get some more instructions !
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Post by: skorec on November 02, 2018, 11:57:53 AM
Peter - I'm sure all of us that have this rifle want to know more, but unfortunately it's new here in the states & it will take time to get in the right hands! I am happy with everything so far except the trigger but i too will have to wait until i can get some more instructions !

YES I know
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 02, 2018, 12:43:44 PM
Hi guys, just got my .22 synthetic yesterday evening so i’m Just now getting around to testing it out. This is my first PCP rifle and I jumped in after seeing the video reviews. I’m also brand new to this forum and airgun forums in general.]

Mine was leaking air in a spot between barrel and shroud at first, but seems to have stopped now. Having only used break barrels before, my CO2 and now this PCP seem so tame in comparison.

Looking forward to learning and sharing as this rifle gets into more hands. 3 trigger adjustments on an entry level PCP seems pretty generous. I’d love to see this offered in .25 eventually. With a 4350psi fill, it should be able to sling that caliber pretty well also.

Regards,

Greg
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
Hi Greg- You made a good choice for your first PCP. I'm loving the accuracy of this rifle. Are you hand pumping? Boy that's got to be a workout! I'm sure a .25 cal will be next in line. I was into CO2 & break barrels also till i watched a video by TED & bought my first PCP & haven't looked back since. I didn't mine hand pumping at first but at 68 yrs old it was not for me. I would suggest that you clean the barrel as there is a lot of preservative in it & just shoot different pellets to see what is most accurate.  ENJOY & welcome to the darkside. 
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 02, 2018, 03:57:06 PM
Hi Greg- You made a good choice for your first PCP. I'm loving the accuracy of this rifle. Are you hand pumping? Boy that's got to be a workout! I'm sure a .25 cal will be next in line. I was into CO2 & break barrels also till i watched a video by TED & bought my first PCP & haven't looked back since. I didn't mine hand pumping at first but at 68 yrs old it was not for me. I would suggest that you clean the barrel as there is a lot of preservative in it & just shoot different pellets to see what is most accurate.  ENJOY & welcome to the darkside.

Thanks for the welcome, even if it is to the dark side. Ha!

Yes, I am hand pumping, but I like the exercise. I am trying to keep a minimal investment for now. The synthetic stock is a bit lackluster on this rifle, but i may just apply camo to it so will see. I just measured the fill probe o-rings so I can go get a few spares to have on hand. Will chrony it over the weekend if I get a chance. I’ll be moving my nicer scope over from my Benjamin Trail, and putting the original 3-9 x40 back on it too.
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 04:31:23 PM
Greg make sure you pull the styrofoam out of the box & check for o-rings. I thought it was strange that mine came with no spares as most chinese guns do come with them. For some reason i decided to remove the styrofoam before i put the box away & there was a package with 2 bolt probe rings.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 02, 2018, 04:58:16 PM
Greg make sure you pull the styrofoam out of the box & check for o-rings. I thought it was strange that mine came with no spares as most chinese guns do come with them. For some reason i decided to remove the styrofoam before i put the box away & there was a package with 2 bolt probe rings.

Man I better check into this as well. Never even looked through everything.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 02, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
Greg make sure you pull the styrofoam out of the box & check for o-rings. I thought it was strange that mine came with no spares as most chinese guns do come with them. For some reason i decided to remove the styrofoam before i put the box away & there was a package with 2 bolt probe rings.

Yessir, I got those two bolt probe o-rings, just nothing for the fill probe. Already matched them up at local auto parts store so I now have a few on hand just in case.

On a more humorous note, I thought that manometer had really crappy printing on the scale and it was hard to read. Then I realized it had a protective film on it. Doh! Much easier to read now.
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 06:39:49 PM
Yea i forgot to mention that. When i first looked at the gauge it was real blurry & i thought well its time to make an eye exam appointment.Then i put on my readers & saw the film. BTW did you also get 2 mags & stainless steel fill probe? Just wondering if everyone is getting the same stuff.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 02, 2018, 06:51:23 PM
I received 2 mags and a stainless fill probe. Looks like I need to search my box for the spare orings. Hopefully I didn’t lose them already!!
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 08:03:34 PM
It looks like they threw the o-rings in the box, then put in the styrofoam?? I never did hear back from american tactical, so it's good we figured it out ourselves. As i was putting mine back together i looked for a HS adjustment. It appears you have to drift out a pin that holds a cap that covers the HS. Lots of stuff to figure out on this rifle. Good winter projects ahead!!
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Post by: starlingassassin on November 02, 2018, 08:47:05 PM
just about to pull the trigger (haha) on one of these,

does it come with a single shot tray?
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Post by: pat585 on November 02, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
Yes - an aluminum one held in place with magnets. Works great.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 03, 2018, 12:46:46 AM
Yea i forgot to mention that. When i first looked at the gauge it was real blurry & i thought well its time to make an eye exam appointment.Then i put on my readers & saw the film. BTW did you also get 2 mags & stainless steel fill probe? Just wondering if everyone is getting the same stuff.

Yes I did. And the single shot tray was already installed. I started looking through the box for it then realized it was already sitting in the breech.
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Post by: pat585 on November 03, 2018, 10:35:11 PM
Took mine apart again to study the trigger . I was going to drive out the pins holding the trigger but i saw the trigger housing is plastic. I don't have a small enough punch & if you should enlarge the holes while driving them out then the pins won't hold & you would have a problem. So i focused on the 3 adj. screws. Anyone that has a liberty will see in their manual screws A,B &C. Screws A & C are basically pre set & cannot be screwed in any further because of the large head of the allen screw I replaced screw C with a longer one & got my trigger down to 1 lb. But I don't recommend this as the safety no longer functions. I just target shoot so this works for me. I did have the safety working at around 2 lbs but i wanted to see how low i could get it. Under 1 lb & the sear doesn't catch.I still think that replacing the springs in the trigger will be the way to go. i just couldn't get along with the 3 1/2 factory pull. I put 4 mags through it with no problems, but for you hunters i would not go below 2 lbs & make sure your safety works.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 04, 2018, 12:45:53 AM
I was having an issue with one of my mags. The spring kept popping loose when i would rotate the cover. Pulled it apart and stretched the spring and that stopped it from popping out of the magazine base. Got some more shots with it today. I find it to be very backyard friendly. Certainly quieter than my Trail NP2 or the Hammerli 850.
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Post by: skorec on November 04, 2018, 02:49:32 AM
Took mine apart again to study the trigger . I was going to drive out the pins holding the trigger but i saw the trigger housing is plastic. I don't have a small enough punch & if you should enlarge the holes while driving them out then the pins won't hold & you would have a problem. So i focused on the 3 adj. screws. Anyone that has a liberty will see in their manual screws A,B &C. Screws A & C are basically pre set & cannot be screwed in any further because of the large head of the allen screw I replaced screw C with a longer one & got my trigger down to 1 lb. But I don't recommend this as the safety no longer functions. I just target shoot so this works for me. I did have the safety working at around 2 lbs but i wanted to see how low i could get it. Under 1 lb & the sear doesn't catch.I still think that replacing the springs in the trigger will be the way to go. i just couldn't get along with the 3 1/2 factory pull. I put 4 mags through it with no problems, but for you hunters i would not go below 2 lbs & make sure your safety works.

THANKS for  Excellent info.
I always  charge the gun only right before hunting shot by aiming in to the earth.
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Post by: mobilemail on November 04, 2018, 08:50:40 AM
Can any of you new owners report an actual weight for this rifle?
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 04, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
I was having an issue with one of my mags. The spring kept popping loose when i would rotate the cover. Pulled it apart and stretched the spring and that stopped it from popping out of the magazine base. Got some more shots with it today. I find it to be very backyard friendly. Certainly quieter than my Trail NP2 or the Hammerli 850.

I'm betting a Umarex Gauntlet mag would work in these, they are cheaper than the Marauder mags, but all 3 appear to be the exact same design, just differing by a few mm's in thickness..  Also, YouTube has some good videos on tweaking the Marauder mags to prevent what happened to you from happening again.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 04, 2018, 10:27:00 AM
I was having an issue with one of my mags. The spring kept popping loose when i would rotate the cover. Pulled it apart and stretched the spring and that stopped it from popping out of the magazine base. Got some more shots with it today. I find it to be very backyard friendly. Certainly quieter than my Trail NP2 or the Hammerli 850.

I'm betting a Umarex Gauntlet mag would work in these, they are cheaper than the Marauder mags, but all 3 appear to be the exact same design, just differing by a few mm's in thickness..  Also, YouTube has some good videos on tweaking the Marauder mags to prevent what happened to you from happening again.

I was thinking the same thing about those other mags. They certainly appear to be the same, but I’d rather wait to see if someone else who owns both rifles can verify correct functionality before I buy. 2 mags is plenty for my uses if they are both working. Thanks for the YT tip, I will check that out. I know that Hajimoto guy is like a guru on the Gauntlet rifles and I recall watching one video where he was tweaking the mags.
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Post by: pat585 on November 04, 2018, 11:09:17 AM
Mark- The manual states both the wood & synthetic models as 3kg-which is about 6 1/2 lbs. Nice and light.
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Post by: cosmic on November 05, 2018, 04:58:55 PM
What is the trigger made of ?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 05, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
What is the trigger made of ?


I think you’re asking if they have a metal trigger blade?If that was the question then they do have a metal trigger blade. The trigger break is very crisp. I haven’t adjusted mine but it breaks at about 3 1/2 pounds. You are supposedly able to adjust them down to 1lbs I believe. Not sure on the internals.
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Post by: cosmic on November 05, 2018, 06:11:10 PM
I see it in the near furture ...
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 05, 2018, 06:41:43 PM
This is definitely on my short list also, even if after the first of the year I have to cash out a few vacation days to cover it. Was glad to read that a change in the screw length on one screw would allow further lightening of the trigger pull.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 06, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
Going to try and stretch the accuracy out a little more tomorrow. I’ll bring my chrony out and try to get some numbers. My main intention is to hunt but I will try and get some more data on the gun as far as velocities and accuracy goes. I will give trigger adjustments a try tonight if time permits.
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Post by: Back_Roads on November 06, 2018, 09:43:45 PM
 ;D Happy to hear the great reports on the gun, and mine was not just a "Fluke"  ;)
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 06, 2018, 11:11:22 PM
Hey guys I adjusted my trigger. Took the trigger Screw (b) in the manual and rotated about 3 turns counter clockwise and it was too light for my liking. I gave it another turn clock wise and it’s probably still under 2lbs but that’s as far as I feel comfortable and my safety still works. I did adjust the trigger screw (A) as well about 1 turn to give a little more first stage travel but left the second stage screw alone.
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Post by: pat585 on November 06, 2018, 11:47:08 PM
That's strange. It looks like there must be something missing in my trigger! My rifle came with that screw (b) almost half way out. I can take that screw out completely & it makes no difference. If i turn it in cw the pull goes up to 5 lbs but turning it ccw  all the way only brings it to 3 1/2 lbs. Your trigger adj is acting the way it should! I knew when i took that screw (b) out completely & the trigger still functioned  that wasn't right. That's when i had to adj screw (c) to lighten it. O well at least we both have our triggers where we want them. Did you get to shoot any groups at 50 yds
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 07, 2018, 12:18:58 AM
No Pat. I’m going bushy tail hunting in the morning on my family farm. Afterwards I plan on getting the chrony out and shooting some longer ranged groups. Strange about your trigger. My trigger screw that adjust the weight was cranked all the way tight. I just back it out a few turns and I had a very light trigger. I barely bumped the sucker and it fired so I turned it back in a turn and left it. I would say it adjusted down to well below a 1lb. I was waiting to hit the second stage wall but it went clean through it and fired off. My gun is fairly quiet I suspect it’s not shooting the 18gr jsb’s at 890 like the air hunters video. If it’s not I’m wondering how to adjust the reg to more pressure to get the FPS up. Ideally I’d like to push 18gr pellets in the 940’s but I’m not sure if that’s possible on this reg or any for that matter. I’m hoping someone who is adept in the art of tinkering will figure out soon. I just don’t want to jack anything up and have to send it to someone to fix.
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Post by: pat585 on November 07, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
Yea Frankie i know what you mean. It's hard to be patient when you have a new toy & want to know more about it. When i took the screws out of the 2 piece forearm i was trying to pry the halves apart. Now i just give it a sharp rap on the bottom of the forearm & it splits like a nut. I also saw that the muzzle on the barrel is countersunk! Nice touch. You are probably going to have to turn up the hammer spring tension to get the fps your looking for, once we figure out how to get at it?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on November 07, 2018, 12:46:02 AM
I finally got out to my friend’s range today and this rifle surpassed all my expectations. I had the chrony about 5 ft from the muzzle and here are some of the numbers I got.

Temp: 72 F
Barometer: 29.90

Reg on High setting.

JSB Jumbo Exact 15.9 gr.

Avg: 925.6
Stdev: 10.6
Min: 915
Max: 948
Spread: 33
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Crosman Premiere Domed 14.3gr

Avg; 949.3
Stdev: 7.2
Min: 941
Max: 961
Spread: 20

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I shot a string with the JSB on Low setting and forgot to set it up as a group, but here is a 10 shot string.

722
712
705
710
704
713
716
711
708
710

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I also used the single shot tray and was getting very consistent readings right around 900fps with Predator PolyMags. I shot those until the reg really began to fall off to around 850 and though I forgot to count, I can say it was at least 20 or more shots. Plenty of High reg setting capacity for a good day of hunting.

I was not shooting for groups today. My friend has a couple of rows of strung up cans at 30 and 60 yds. (Measured with laser) I was able to consistently nail the 30 yard cans with the open sights. I haven’t mounted a scope yet, but was able to tag a few cans at 60 with a touch of hold over.

All in all, I was very impressed and it is very apparent that they used realistic pellet weights to spec the muzzle velocity on High and Low settings.

One other thing, the shroud on this rifle may not have any internal baffles, but it’s definitely taming the noise. I shot one shot with the end cap unscrewed and it was very loud.

Final note: I did top off the reservoir between groups, then I shot the Polymags off a full fill until the reg fell off.

Being my first PCP, I have nothing to compare to, but there was a silly grin on my face for most of the afternoon from the performance I saw.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 07, 2018, 01:30:50 AM
I never looked at the manual really until today and I’m glad I did. The rifle has a 1yr warranty on the rifle through American tactical. Always nice to have that for sure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: VaporTrail on November 07, 2018, 02:07:33 AM
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.

That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on November 07, 2018, 09:30:36 AM
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.

That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.

This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 07, 2018, 10:08:50 AM
Looks like positive feedback is starting to trickle in. According to that video the reg is adjustable but i  think someone is going to have to remove that pin that holds the HS cover & crank it up. I like the lower velocities so it's fine for me as is. I'm sure there is a ton of untapped potential in this gun! Just has to get in some hot rodders hands.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 07, 2018, 06:56:48 PM
Well guys had a semi successful day with a couple of hiccups. I was able to get my first kill and shoot a 50yd group from a prone position. I switched back to jsb 18.13’s at 50yds bc my H&N baracuda hunter hp were opening up to about the size of a quarter. I brought my chrony but the battery was dead😩. Go figure!!So no chrony data right now guys. I’m positive this gun will shoot lights out. I had a terrible rest and it just kept throwing the pellets in there. The group could be covered by a dime. Btw after adjusting my trigger it feels really nice.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: VaporTrail on November 07, 2018, 07:07:14 PM
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.

That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.

This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.

That right there is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Hatsans. I saw a refurb on their site awhile back and inquired if they shipped out to me. Unfortunately, they don't.  :(

So now what's gonna happen if I buy a Hatsan? I can't send it in for warranty? I can't get parts? I have a Gamo Magnum...and wouldn't ya know? Gamo USA referred me to Gamo Spain. Great.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 07, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
Nice group Frankie. Glad to see you got a shooter on your hands. What scope do you have on it?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 07, 2018, 07:55:36 PM
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.

That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.

This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.

That right there is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Hatsans. I saw a refurb on their site awhile back and inquired if they shipped out to me. Unfortunately, they don't.  :(

So now what's gonna happen if I buy a Hatsan? I can't send it in for warranty? I can't get parts? I have a Gamo Magnum...and wouldn't ya know? Gamo USA referred me to Gamo Spain. Great.

Paul, Be thankful they didn't ship it to you.  Just an FYI, and something I did NOT know when I purchased a refurbished BullBoss from HatsanUSA.  They DON'T do refunds on refurbished products, so the only option is play the send it back and wait till it shows up again and pray it works.  I've already sent my 2nd BullBoss back because the same part failed in both.  Also, the warranty on Refurbs is only 90 days, and since Hatsan has had my BullBoss for the better part of 2 months already, I'll probably only have use of it for another 20-30 days under warranty.  If it fails again after that, I guess I'm just stuck with it.  If you ask me, Hatsan has found a pretty clever way to dispose of their garbage and make money in the process!  When it comes to Hatsan Refurbs, BUYER BEWARE!  Do your homework before you lay down your hard earned money!  This has been a very expensive lesson for me!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 07, 2018, 08:58:25 PM
Nice group Frankie. Glad to see you got a shooter on your hands. What scope do you have on it?

I have a 6x24x44 Hawke Vantage SF on it. Not the best in the Hawke line up but it definitely works. It’s more than enough for me!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 07, 2018, 09:21:00 PM
I have 2 hatsans. A gladius & a At44 short. Bought both at field supply during a refurbish sale. Both put 10 shots in a dime at 25 yds but i would take the liberty over them just because of the weight of the hatsans. I like that you can remove the air cylinder on the hatsan when you want to work on it but with just a quarter turn of a screw i can degas the liberty. Hatsans need to go on a diet for sure!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on November 07, 2018, 09:27:27 PM
 I went from open sights to this https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683) , and made it my hunter field target gun :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Butchhe on November 07, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
I went from open sights to this https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-4-16x56-bubble-leveler-ao-rifle-scope-swat-ao-ez-tap-illuminated?a=7683) , and made it my hunter field target gun :)

That's a nice scope.  I may pick one up myself.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on November 07, 2018, 10:15:35 PM
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)

That’s the same scope I have mounted on my Benjamin Trail NP2. I plan to move it over to the Liberty. Did you have any issues with mounting?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: VaporTrail on November 08, 2018, 02:53:28 AM
So I'm curious if anyone's played around with trying to get more power out this little gem. If it's possible to get 1100-1200 FPS with .22 14.3gr pellets, I just might make this my first PCP.

That way I can load up on some heavy (25gr+) pellets to drop FPS to accurate levels and max out FPE.

This is my first PCP and I’d be interested in trading shot count for a bit more energy myself. I just hope the parts are high quality enough to last for awhile.

That right there is what keeps me from pulling the trigger on the Hatsans. I saw a refurb on their site awhile back and inquired if they shipped out to me. Unfortunately, they don't.  :(

So now what's gonna happen if I buy a Hatsan? I can't send it in for warranty? I can't get parts? I have a Gamo Magnum...and wouldn't ya know? Gamo USA referred me to Gamo Spain. Great.

Paul, Be thankful they didn't ship it to you.  Just an FYI, and something I did NOT know when I purchased a refurbished BullBoss from HatsanUSA.  They DON'T do refunds on refurbished products, so the only option is play the send it back and wait till it shows up again and pray it works.  I've already sent my 2nd BullBoss back because the same part failed in both.  Also, the warranty on Refurbs is only 90 days, and since Hatsan has had my BullBoss for the better part of 2 months already, I'll probably only have use of it for another 20-30 days under warranty.  If it fails again after that, I guess I'm just stuck with it.  If you ask me, Hatsan has found a pretty clever way to dispose of their garbage and make money in the process!  When it comes to Hatsan Refurbs, BUYER BEWARE!  Do your homework before you lay down your hard earned money!  This has been a very expensive lesson for me!

Yeah...that's the part that gets me: hard earned money. I don't make enough to just casually throw it around. Kinda why I'm really taking my time trying to find a gun that will shoot well out of the box for awhile or at least have ready access to parts. I've been thinking about the Nova Guns, but I'm not too sure about the parts availability. If I pick up a Flash, it'll be brand new, so I hope it'll shoot without issue.

In all honesty, it's starting to get a little frustrating. I keep on going back and forth.  ::)

And BTW...that Hatsan deal blows chunks.  :(
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on November 08, 2018, 09:13:38 AM
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)

That’s the same scope I have mounted on my Benjamin Trail NP2. I plan to move it over to the Liberty. Did you have any issues with mounting?
 
 No issues mounting, I used medium 11 mm rings for a 30mm tube I believe they were also UTG. The distance from the 11 mm rail to the center of the scope is roughly 1- 1/2". also used levels on the gun and confirmed level with a plumb bob string.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 08, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
I'm gonna keep my eye on american tactical's site & see if they have a black friday sale on the liberty's. All my rifles are .22 cal so i guess it's time to try  the .177 to see if i like it?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 08, 2018, 12:42:54 PM
I'm gonna keep my eye on american tactical's site & see if they have a black friday sale on the liberty's. All my rifles are .22 cal so i guess it's time to try  the .177 to see if i like it?

I'm hoping they have a Veterans Day Sale.  I'm really itching for one of these, in .177, but I just hate to pay full asking price for anything.  Even if they offer free shipping, I'd be on it!  I know, sounds nuts, but a penny saved is a penny earned! LOL!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 08, 2018, 01:16:41 PM
I agree-The older we get the more we have to watch our pennies. I love my first gen wildcat but when i see what i can get for $300.00 i don't see myself buying another high dollar airgun unless it's something really special. I wonder what the liberty actually cost the manufacturer to make? When you factor in their shipping cost  & of course the distributor gets their cut. I guess it all boils down to the low labor wages in china.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on November 08, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
I like my .177 alot. But I want the .22 so I'm probably gonna sell it and buy the .22. It honestly is a great gun especially for the price
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 08, 2018, 01:53:43 PM
Guys it really is a great deal. Right now it’s just a guessing game with the tuning of the rifle. I guess one day I’ll get the guts to jump in it and try to adjust the regulator and hammer spring. For the money I did not think you could get more gun.So that’s why I took the chance and bought one. Looks like I may have been right. Everyone seems to be really enjoying theirs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 08, 2018, 02:33:17 PM
While my .22 liberty is not too loud i like to get all my guns as quiet as possible. So i wrote donny about making me an adaptor. When i got my outlaw he had me send him my shroud end cap so he could get the thread size right. I guess he must be super busy now-Good for him- because he recommended i contact his mentor-John Hagan- for the adaptor. So my endcap is now on it's way to colorado. When i get my adaptor i plan on cutting off about 4 in. off my shroud & putting on my donny tanto. This will keep everything at the same length but now with a moderator.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on November 08, 2018, 02:36:38 PM
I went from open sights to this (had to remove link since I’m still new here), and made it my hunter field target gun :)

That’s the same scope I have mounted on my Benjamin Trail NP2. I plan to move it over to the Liberty. Did you have any issues with mounting?
 
 No issues mounting, I used medium 11 mm rings for a 30mm tube I believe they were also UTG. The distance from the 11 mm rail to the center of the scope is roughly 1- 1/2". also used levels on the gun and confirmed level with a plumb bob string.

Thanks for the info. That was a nice group at 50yds!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 08, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Thanks Greg. I was surprised I was able to rattle that off. Didn’t have a great rest but I was able to be consistent. Pat that sounds like a nice setup. I’d definitely like to see some pictures once you recieve the ldc back.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 08, 2018, 07:36:08 PM
I like my .177 alot. But I want the .22 so I'm probably gonna sell it and buy the .22. It honestly is a great gun especially for the price

Keep me in mind if you do, the .177 is what I'm looking at...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on November 09, 2018, 12:11:33 PM
I emailed and Jennifer responded ..
We do not have our Black Friday Sales finalized yet, but feel free to check in with me anytime or watch our website www.americantactical.us (http://www.americantactical.us) for updates and codes.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 14, 2018, 11:47:12 AM
Heys taking down the gun today. Found this gold piece that almost looks like an adjuster of some sort. Any idea? I know the guy in the video of another language keep pointing this out so maybe be regulator adjuster?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 14, 2018, 12:37:14 PM
Ok I gave it a few turns clockwise and it definitely got louder. So I’m assuming I just increased the power. I have my chrony but I live in an apartment so I will not be able to do any testing unless I drive about 30 mins to my family’s farm. Ughh. Can’t wait to buy a house because apartments aren’t for me lol.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 14, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Frankie-I figured it wasn't going to be long before people started seeing what makes these guns tick! Your chrony will definitely be needed now. Like you said the increased power will come with more noise. Probably be another week before i get my shroud adaptor back, then i can try a couple of different moderators i have. I'm thinking that gold piece has to be a reg adj too! Unless it has something to do with the TP?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 14, 2018, 04:54:43 PM
Pat if ppl are wanting to adjust the reg you don’t have to pull the tube. You can access that device without touching a thing. All you need is a smaller Hex key to reach and adjust on the fly. I would definitely like to see someone tear the gun down and pull the trigger pack. I’d like to find the hammer spring adjustment as well.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 14, 2018, 05:46:11 PM
If you look at the back of the receiver you can see a square plastic cover where the hammer spring would be. If you hold that cover & drive out the last pin on the receiver i think you can get at the HS. I have put 3 huma regs in my guns but that was just setting them and then i played  around with other adj. I have read where there should be no pressure on them when they are adjusted or you take a shot and adj it before the plenum refills. I may be wrong. Maybe someone with more knowledge on reg adj can chime in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 14, 2018, 08:08:58 PM
I’ll have to look for those pins you are speaking about. I saw several set of pins. I guess that will be my next endeavor. Although it will most likely be in the field while working with the chrony.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 14, 2018, 09:59:53 PM
Easy does it. Won't be fun looking for a roll pin in the grass!! After i got my wildcat i was sighting it in on a bench. After my 6 th shot when i opened the action i heard something hit the bench. It was the pin for the cocking arm. I put it back in & peened it slightly and it has held since, but having parts falling out of a brand new expensive gun did not make me a happy camper.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 14, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
Interesting development!  Do you have a picture of how you access that adjuster with the stock in place?  I haven't ordered yet, hoping they offer something for Black Friday.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 12:44:43 AM
Interesting development!  Do you have a picture of how you access that adjuster with the stock in place?  I haven't ordered yet, hoping they offer something for Black Friday.

I don’t have a picture but you can definitely see the top of the adjuster. Even with the tube on the gun while in the stock. I’m not sure that you can adjust the rifle while its aired up but it still saves you the hassle of tearing it down completely. I’m not 100% positive it’s shooting faster yet. All I know is it sounds a little louder. I’ll have to verify with my chrony when I have time.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on November 15, 2018, 04:53:05 PM
The Hindu dude in the vid may have had a different version of the HP-P900W. On mine, that brass piece with all the little holes in it, on the front end of the receiver, that is partially covered by the top of the air tube, is the vent for the burst disk.

The silver hex headed bolt on the bottom of the action (mine is marked "6k") is the access to the burst disk. If you degass the gun, and pull the disk, then blow thru it with compressed air, the air exits thru that brass disk with all the little holes in it.

Kinda makes sense, as you wouldn't want the burst disk to vent thru the barrel, especially if there was a pellet in the chamber.

To adjust the regulator on mine, you take the cover off the cylinder on the bottom of the action, which houses the regulator (it's got a little flat head screwdriver slot in it)

Maybe there are more than one version of this rifle out there?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 04:58:42 PM
The Hindu dude in the vid may have had a different version of the HP-P900W. On mine, that brass piece with all the little holes in it, on the front end of the receiver, that is partially covered by the top of the air tube, is the vent for the burst disk.

The silver hex headed bolt on the bottom of the action (mine is marked "6k") is the access to the burst disk. If you degass the gun, and pull the disk, then blow thru it with compressed air, the air exits thru that brass disk with all the little holes in it.

Kinda makes sense, as you wouldn't want the burst disk to vent thru the barrel, especially if there was a pellet in the chamber.

To adjust the regulator on mine, you take the cover off the cylinder on the bottom of the action, which houses the regulator (it's got a little flat head screwdriver slot in it)

Maybe there are more than one version of this rifle out there?

Maybe or I’m just a noob to all this. I saw the part that houses the regulator which is the little black tube you speak of with the slot in the top. If this is the case then I wonder why my gun got louder after turning that brass thing?? So confused at this point.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 05:10:05 PM
Saint-have to tried getting to the hammer spring? Also did you try to adjust your regulator while you were in there?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on November 15, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
Wish I could tell you why. I haven't tried to adjust my reg yet. As it sits, it's throwing JSB 15.89's around 920fps, which is fine by me.

But when I think about it, if that burst disk let's go, they couldn't possibly let it vent thru the barrel. Can you imagine 4000psi trying to push thru the transfer port (especially if the rifle is set on "low"?) To me, that seems like it'd literally turn the receiver into a IED.

I'm in the process of trying to get AT to help find me a parts brake down, so I know for sure, but so far, no luck. Thus, I'm not gonna mess with the rifle much more til I'm positive I know what I'm doing on internally.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 05:19:41 PM
Wish I could tell you why. I haven't tried to adjust my reg yet. As it sits, it's throwing JSB 15.89's around 920fps, which is fine by me.

But when I think about it, if that burst disk let's go, they couldn't possibly let it vent thru the barrel. Can you imagine 4000psi trying to push thru the transfer port (especially if the rifle is set on "low"?) To me, that seems like it'd literally turn the receiver into a IED.

I'm in the process of trying to get AT to help find me a parts brake down, so I know for sure, but so far, no luck. Thus, I'm not gonna mess with the rifle much more til I'm positive I know what I'm doing on internally.

Understood. A parts breakdown would help us all at this point. Although I don’t think ATI will be much help in producing one. One can only hope.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on November 15, 2018, 05:36:22 PM
The other problem is ATI doesn't carry a reseal O-ring kit. So I don't want to have to measure and order any of the O-rings I might damage.

I did find another interesting thing with my rifle. It didn't have any leade or crown on the barrel. Like somebody else mentioned, I like to clean my barrels (when possible) from the breech. So I took the barrel out of the shroud and cleaned it. Probably the dirtiest barrel I've ever encountered. I also spent a few minutes with a Dremel to add and polish a leade and crown. The rifle might have shot just fine without what I did, but I do know that now if I'm having a good day I can pretty much stack pellets on top of each other at 30yds. But like I said, it might have fine without me doing anything.

I also realized that there is only about 7in of shroud that is available. The plastic piece that the barrel passes thru to center it in the shroud is sealed with two o-rings, and there are no holes in that centering piece other than for the barrel, making most of the shroud useless.

I've got a spare ldc that I got from a friend that was made by rocker1 for a Varmint. I think the baffels are almost exactly the right size, so I'm gonna gut that ldc and try to improvise something. If it works out, I'll let everyone know.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 15, 2018, 07:00:20 PM
Looks like we hit a roadblock! I will e-mail the manufacturer about getting a parts breakdown & see if they respond? Unfortunately these chinese guns don't seem to come along with customer support unless you want to order from china and wait. I had the same problem with my SPA rifles & mrod air. They must have spare parts to do warranty work with? You would think selling the parts for the product you sell would make sense!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
Found another video of guy that has his shooting at the power level that I would like to tune my rifle too. 940 with 21gr baracudas would be ideal for me.

https://youtu.be/5awzYl9VZyU
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 15, 2018, 08:29:09 PM
Well for now, at least you know the gun is capable of getting the speed you want.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 15, 2018, 08:37:04 PM
Well for now, at least you know the gun is capable of getting the speed you want.

That is true. I’m sure we will get this gun figured out before long. I don’t think it is overly complicated piece just a lot of hesitation without a parts list.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Dairyboy on November 15, 2018, 08:48:20 PM
I sold my .177 and got a .22. The .177 was very accurate but for my needs the .22 fits better for pesting. This one is also very accurate. Shoots JSB 18gr at 870fps on high and about 680 on low. Can't complain at all. Pretty quiet even. Very happy with it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 15, 2018, 09:02:09 PM
Dillon -Did you get your .22 in wood or syn? I haven't heard anyone complain about accuracy in these guns. Of all my rifles this one is the hardest to run patches through! They must have slightly undersized bores which could be giving them their accuracy?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: skorec on November 16, 2018, 01:46:05 AM
Found another video of guy that has his shooting at the power level that I would like to tune my rifle too. 940 with 21gr baracudas would be ideal for me.

https://youtu.be/5awzYl9VZyU

Frankie,
YES very light pellets for short  distances and very heavy pellets/slugs  for long distances. Two power modes with two Reticle visualisation view ( mag 32 + mag 10 ) are  very practical and not too complicate .   Less initial air/pressure reduce also possibility to warping  soft pellets. 

Only  I will prefer caliber .177/21gr.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 16, 2018, 02:04:22 AM
Pat, I got the synthetic. For my uses wood gets beat up easy. But yeah whatever they've done with the barrels it works great as I'm very impressed
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Post by: skorec on November 16, 2018, 02:15:54 AM
Of all my rifles this one is the hardest to run patches through! They must have slightly undersized bores which could be giving them their accuracy?

I am interested how will be shotting 21gr 4,46mm  Piledrivers.
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Post by: Troy A. on November 16, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
I will be watching this for Black Friday, I was looking at some other guns but this is much better
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 16, 2018, 02:13:16 PM
I will be watching this for Black Friday, I was looking at some other guns but this is much better
I can't think of a better deal than this gun. It's got it all.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 16, 2018, 02:23:56 PM
I will be watching this for Black Friday, I was looking at some other guns but this is much better
I can't think of a better deal than this gun. It's got it all.

Guys it has a lot going for it. I really like mine just looking for adjustability and tuning to specific pellet weights. It’s crazy accurate and once you adjust your trigger it’s nice! Breaks great
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 16, 2018, 02:41:11 PM
I'm with Troy, I really hope they have something going for Black Friday!
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Post by: pat585 on November 16, 2018, 03:02:30 PM
I haven't heard back from Nova vista, but i noticed they are on facebook. I am not on facebook so maybe someone with an account their  could try contacting them that way?
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Post by: cosmic on November 16, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
I emailed them about black friday discounts on their air guns and the reply was nothing was confirmed yet..
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Post by: pat585 on November 16, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
Ray-Nova Vista is the manufacture of these airguns & American Tactical is the distributor. I emailed both about a parts breakdown with o ring sizing, but have not gotten a response!
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Post by: cosmic on November 16, 2018, 05:49:14 PM
Good Luck on that !! Never could get o ring info from Umarexfor the gauntlet.. Someone tore one down and measured them...
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 16, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
Good Luck on that !! Never could get o ring info from Umarexfor the gauntlet.. Someone tore one down and measured them...

Yea, what's up with that, we're asking for o-ring sizes for goodness sake, not nuclear launch codes!  What's the big secret???   :o
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 16, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
Seems like the same thing will be happening with this rifle. Some will have to break one completely down before any of us get any real info. It’s a firearms company thats distributing these guns. They probably don’t do the work on the returns or repairs. They send them back to China most likely.
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Post by: cosmic on November 16, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
I have a o ring set for the gauntlet .177 and .22 from Captain O ring after sending emails back and forth... Up for grabs $15.. I guess this one will be the same...
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Post by: pat585 on November 16, 2018, 09:08:22 PM
I think the mother ship has left us adrift. I was told twice by jennifer by e mail & once on the phone she had the rifle in front of her & once she got the stock off she would let me know! We know how that went! I still really like this gun alot. I understand the manufactures don't want people messing with their product but they should also know by now that we like to personalize our guns to our taste. At  least crosman, fx & a few other companies offer a parts break down on their web sites. How hard would it be for other companies to do that.
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Post by: skorec on November 17, 2018, 02:26:45 AM
You should  accept that so high value=worthiness/price requires low costing for staff amount too .   
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 09:28:51 AM
Peter- I agree 100%. The times they are a changin.  And not for the better! As a teenager i would often put my .22 rifle in a gun sack, grab a box of 100 rounds of rimfire ammo & take the bus out to the country & no one would even look twice at you. Can you imagine doing that today! Every one would run off the bus & the swat team would be called. Just saying that customer service has gone the way of the dodo bird.
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 11:49:47 AM
OK, Now that the liberty has been out for a while, i would like to know which pellets are giving everyone the best accuracy? My 22 really likes the AA 16gr.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 17, 2018, 11:58:29 AM
My .177 loved the 10.3gr AA and my .22 loves the 18.13gr JSB. The 16gr AA are pretty good but not like the 18gr. The 8.4gr were ok out of the .177 but the 10.3gr shined!
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Looks like both calibers favor the heavy weights. I shot all my 18 gr jsb's in my wildcat. Time to place an order with treniers. If american tactical has a sale this week i am going to pick up a.177.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 17, 2018, 02:08:44 PM
Yeah my gun favors the 18.13gr at extended distances. What is surprising though is it shoots baracuda hunters hp  very well as well out to 30yds. The rifle doesn’t seem to be that pellet picky at all. Also I still haven’t cleaned my barrel I’m scared to at this point bc it’s shooting so well.
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 02:35:56 PM
Frankie- Get ready for a work out when you do clean it.  It took me a while to clean my SPA rifles but  my liberty was twice as long! That preservative they use is almost like a tar consistence.
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Post by: skorec on November 17, 2018, 02:45:58 PM
Please , Can someone of you push through JSB heavy from muzzle to breech and make the picture  ?
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Post by: TheSaint on November 17, 2018, 04:35:33 PM
Time for a couple of corrections:

I decided to take part of the rifle apart today.

First correction: That cylinder that hangs down IS NOT the regulator. It's hollow. I'm assuming it's the "Main Plenum" chamber. It is positioned just in front of the poppet valve. After fully degassing the rifle, I still got a high pressure burst of air out of it when I loosened it.

Correction two: What I assumed was the relief for the burst disk, apparently IS NOT. I'm now of the thought that it's the atmospheric vent for the regulator. Again , this is only a guess.

I'm trying to work up the nerve to pull the rifle all the way down. I think you guys can understand my conflict. I soooooo badly want to find out how this baby works, so I can Hot Rod her a bit, but I'm weighing that against mucking up a really great shooting rifle. Grrrrrrrrrrr. My wife is right. I simply cannot leave well enough alone....
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
Peter- Sorry but i don't have a camera or smartphone. But i did find 3- 18 gr pellets left in a tin & sludged one down the barrel. What is it you want to know? 
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Post by: pat585 on November 17, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
Mike - Thank's for jumping in the deep end!! We are all in the same boat. All of our rifles are very accurate & we don't want to lose that. I watched the video again & after he degassed his rifle he unscrewed the plenum but no extra air came out. I wonder why yours did? I think your right about the vent for the reg. You say you loosened the plenum screw. Did you get to the reg?
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Post by: TheSaint on November 17, 2018, 06:24:30 PM
Haven't gotten to the reg. Pretty sure it's gotta be in the air tube. May try it tomorrow, after just a touch of "Irish Courage".

I think had I pulled the trigger once it would have cleared the plenum. The degassing screw seems to only empty the tube, as it looks like it connects to the high pressure side.

I'll let everyone know what I find tomorrow.
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Post by: TheSaint on November 19, 2018, 02:47:31 PM
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to take this rifle apart any further. It just shoots too darn well. Eventually I will find a way to adjust the regulator, but I'm gonna wait for a braver soul than I to figure it out.

I did shorten my shroud 2" so it's even with the air tube. I think it just looks better that way. I also inprovised  a baffel system with the parts I had on hand. Even with the shortended shroud, after drilling holes in the barrel locator, and adding three modified baffles out of a spare ldc I had, the rifle is now extremely quiet.

The only thing I'm thinking about doing is drilling a few small holes on  the receiver side of the shroud, facing down, to see if that quiets it down even more. But it's so quiet now that I might just leave it be.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 19, 2018, 03:11:13 PM
Sorry folks. I just can't bring myself to take this rifle apart any further. It just shoots too darn well. Eventually I will find a way to adjust the regulator, but I'm gonna wait for a braver soul than I to figure it out.

I did shorten my shroud 2" so it's even with the air tube. I think it just looks better that way. I also inprovised  a baffel system with the parts I had on hand. Even with the shortended shroud, after drilling holes in the barrel locator, and adding three modified baffles out of a spare ldc I had, the rifle is now extremely quiet.

The only thing I'm thinking about doing is drilling a few small holes on  the receiver side of the shroud, facing down, to see if that quiets it down even more. But it's so quiet now that I might just leave it be.

Mike I completely understand. I mean it says a lot that many of us have confirmed excellent groups so far. Seems that all of our guns are shooting so well that we are hesitant to tinker!! May not be a bad thing!!
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 19, 2018, 08:00:39 PM
Mike, can you post some pictures of the mods you did to your shroud?  Sounds like something I'd like to try when I finally get one!  Come on Black Friday!
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Post by: TheSaint on November 19, 2018, 11:15:39 PM
I'll try to post some pics this week. Also found out that the fill probe for the Gamo Urban also works for this rifle, for what it's worth.

This is by far the most accurate, well made "cheap" pcp I've owned. Puts my BSA barrelled Urban to shame. Just wish I  could tune this to shoot 20+ grain ammo at 900+ fps.

I was really hesitant to buy this after all the @*#$&  I went thru with my .22 DAR. , But it's turned out to be the best purchase I've made. This rifle just blows me away!
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Post by: Missed-Em on November 20, 2018, 09:55:41 AM
I'm waiting for Black Friday as well (just got confirmation that my DAR return has been processed). Does anyone have anything bad to say about this AG?  Right now I'm waffling between this and the Outlaw (with extra $ involved sales may determine which one I end up with).
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Post by: pat585 on November 20, 2018, 10:56:41 AM
I have both rifles in .22 & you can't go wrong with either one. The Liberty will save you $200.00. Both are side lever & regulated. The Liberty reg is more consistent. The first shot from my outlaw always throws the pellet about 2in before it settles down. Must be reg creep! The pellets for the outlaw have to be seated with something like a pencil or stick. I use a small allen wrench. If you have long fingernails that might work? Liberty also comes with 2 marauder style mags & a Hi/Low knob. Only problem with the Liberty right now is the lack of info about disassembly.From what i've read  Nova Vista is a new company into the pcp world so it will probably take time for info to trickle down to us. If they have a black friday sale i am picking up another one in .177 so yea you could say i like this rifle!!
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Post by: TheSaint on November 20, 2018, 06:19:58 PM
If you're on the fence about buying this rifle, all I can say is that even tho I can't get a parts brake-down I just sold my Urban and Outlaw. This rifle is an incredible buy, loaded with what I consider "High End" features, and is incredibly accurate.

Is the fit and finish that great? If I'm being honest, not really. But I use my rifles for pesting/hunting. It's not a big deal to re-finish the stock.

My only wish is they eventually offer it in a .25. I'd jump on that so fast it'd make your head spin.

So far my tally is three Trash Pandas ( that's what we call raccoons around here). The longest shot was down hill from my barn window. JSB 16g.Head shot, critter gone. Measured the distance with a laser this morning. 67yards. I LOVE this rifle!

If the price comes do come down for Black Friday, I'll buy another with the proceeds from the two rifles I just sold. That's the one I'll do a complete tear down on, and save it for spare parts if need be.
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Post by: pat585 on November 20, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Nice shooting Mike! Looks like your thinning out the herd. I slugged my Liberty with a jsb 18 gr with a .555 skirt. It came out at .535- Then i found another jsb 18 gr with a .555 shirt & ran it down my marauder. This one came out at .545. Definitely a tighter barrel in the Liberty.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 20, 2018, 08:26:01 PM
Only downside I’ve had is the spring popping out of the base in both rotary mags. I used a touch of adhesive when sticking the spring back in the base and hopefully that takes care of it.

Looks like I made a good choice for my first PCP.

Like was stated above, i’m hoping for a .25 version too.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 20, 2018, 08:36:41 PM
Only downside I’ve had is the spring popping out of the base in both rotary mags. I used a touch of adhesive when sticking the spring back in the base and hopefully that takes care of it.

Looks like I made a good choice for my first PCP.

Like was stated above, i’m hoping for a .25 version too.

Check YouTube for a fix, they are the same design as the Marauder magazines.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 21, 2018, 03:36:04 PM
Only downside I’ve had is the spring popping out of the base in both rotary mags. I used a touch of adhesive when sticking the spring back in the base and hopefully that takes care of it.

Looks like I made a good choice for my first PCP.

Like was stated above, i’m hoping for a .25 version too.

Check YouTube for a fix, they are the same design as the Marauder magazines.

I’ll look again, but didn’t find any videos last time I checked.  Thanks.
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Post by: pat585 on November 21, 2018, 05:01:08 PM
Greg- If your fix doesn't hold up i would call american tactical & i am sure they would send you a couple of new mags under warranty.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 21, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
Greg- If your fix doesn't hold up i would call american tactical & i am sure they would send you a couple of new mags under warranty.

I already sent one in last week. Jennifer was very prompt in getting me an RMA and a FedEx return label. Top notch service.

I looked again and found a few videos on the Marauder mag fix. Thanks for the heads up. Guess I didn’t search correctly last time.

It would be really cool to hydro dip the stock in a camo pattern.
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Post by: Indianaairguns on November 22, 2018, 02:45:09 PM
By its looks and features, this looks to be an SPA product.  The SPA-900W became the Diana Stormrider, and this looks just like a model produced by SPA under the Artemis brand.

Dennis
Indiana Airguns
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 22, 2018, 03:24:33 PM
By its looks and features, this looks to be an SPA product.  The SPA-900W became the Diana Stormrider, and this looks just like a model produced by SPA under the Artemis brand.

Dennis
Indiana Airguns

This is not a SPA/Artemis gun. Made by Nova Vista but they are a Chinese maker as well. But having had SPA and these, the SPA got nothing on them. These are very nice guns especially for the money
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Post by: skorec on November 22, 2018, 03:36:56 PM
Yes but unfortunately Nova prefer delivering to USA for now and I have awaiting for moment when  switch to the EU  which will be probably only after  USA stop all imports from China. 
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Post by: pat585 on November 22, 2018, 04:19:09 PM
Nova Vista is located in Macau China. If you go to wikipedia & search  for Macau it is an interesting read. They are part of china but they also are not.  Totally  separate political & economic system apart from china. I did not know they are also the gambling capital of the world! China gets to take full control of them in 2049! That should put a quick end to any prosperity they now enjoy.
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Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 22, 2018, 05:02:51 PM
Wander if Pyramyd is gonna carry this rifle under the Seneca name.
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Post by: MB on November 22, 2018, 06:24:48 PM
Nova Vista produced this gun in its Macau manufacturing facility, American Tactical has the rights to the US Market, I know as I tried to get the rights, however American Tactical got the rights first, I have had discussions with the their management and there is no relation to SPA (Snowpeak)...American Tactical have branded the gun the Liberty, however it is known as the Alpha by the manufacturer...

http://www.nova-vista.co/a/PCP/ (http://www.nova-vista.co/a/PCP/)
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Post by: MB on November 22, 2018, 06:28:02 PM
Yes but unfortunately Nova prefer delivering to USA for now and I have awaiting for moment when  switch to the EU  which will be probably only after  USA stop all imports from China.

Peter UK (EU'ish) - SMK has in stock - http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102 (http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102)
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Post by: KnifeMaker on November 22, 2018, 07:09:01 PM
I don't think so. Not at 540 usd.  :(
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Post by: pat585 on November 22, 2018, 08:30:45 PM
I agree Michael. While i have only been shooting pcp's for 3 yrs , you can see the way things are heading. We now have regulated, accurate, side lever rifles for $300.00. We also have compressors that we can take with us & just hook up to your battery. It's a good time to be an airgunner! After all, the better the prices are the more people will get into the sport & that's good for everyone.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 22, 2018, 10:45:31 PM
Wander if Pyramyd is gonna carry this rifle under the Seneca name.

Hoping they do.
It sure has all the right stuff to put it on par with Diana Outlaw. The only thing missing is getting parts for it.
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Post by: skorec on November 23, 2018, 02:28:47 AM
Yes but unfortunately Nova prefer delivering to USA for now and I have awaiting for moment when  switch to the EU  which will be probably only after  USA stop all imports from China.

Peter UK (EU'ish) - SMK has in stock - http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102 (http://www.sportsmk.co.uk/cat/35773/air-rifles-other-brands/nova-vista/#40102)

Thanks but
Too expensive , they  restocking right now and UK also does not sent any gun to EU.
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 23, 2018, 09:26:02 AM
I opologize if someone has already asked this and I missed it but does the Marauder magazine fit the Nova Rifle? I know they look and work the same but are they interchangeable? I plan to get one after the first of Jan. but would not buy extra mags if my Marauder ones will fit. Has anyone tried it that has one?
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 23, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
ATI's Black Friday code is active!  BLACK20 will get you 20% off the Liberty air Rifles!  Happy Black Friday!
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 23, 2018, 10:07:24 AM
I opologize if someone has already asked this and I missed it but does the Marauder magazine fit the Nova Rifle? I know they look and work the same but are they interchangeable? I plan to get one after the first of Jan. but would not buy extra mags if my Marauder ones will fit. Has anyone tried it that has one?

I just ordered a Liberty and I have both the Marauder and Gauntlet magazines, so once I get it I'll see if they fit.  I recall someone saying the Marauder mags fit kinda tight, which is the same they fit in the Gauntlet, so the the Gauntlet mags may fit it perfectly.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 23, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
ATI's Black Friday code is active!  BLACK20 will get you 20% off the Liberty air Rifles!  Happy Black Friday!

I may pick up another in .177 and try my hand at a Feild target match or two. If only I could slide this past my wife🤔.
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
One heck of an already great deal just got 20% better! I am getting one in .177. Now i am just trying to decide between synthetic or wood? Decisions, Decisions!!
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Post by: Rick67 on November 23, 2018, 12:12:03 PM
One heck of an already great deal just got 20% better! I am getting one in .177. Now i am just trying to decide between synthetic or wood? Decisions, Decisions!!

I say get the wood. More solid, imho. More stable too, probably.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on November 23, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
Absolutely, unless you plan to drag it through the mud, get the wood stock.  The phrase plastic fantastic is used in a self-deprecating way for good reason.
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Post by: TheSaint on November 23, 2018, 12:39:26 PM
Just ordered the synthetic in .22 as a spare parts gun for my wood stock .22. At $229 I just couldn't justify not doing it.

Now I've got a rifle to fully dissasembe, take measurements on, and modify, without having to worry about mucking something up that leaves me with a useless rifle.  Even if parts were to become available, buying every single part to build an entire rifle would cost at least twice what a complete rifle would set me back, not to mention I probably still couldn't get a barrel if parts had to be ordered from China. Plus, I get two extra mags outta the deal.

I bought the synthetic simply due to the fact that it was $30.00 cheaper to start with, and the stock will never be used. So I think it was a wise move.
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 12:43:47 PM
Just ordered the .177 wood stock liberty. $273.00 delivered.My only other .177 is my crosman silhouette pistol which is a tack driver. I only have wadcutter pellets on hand in .177 so i hope it shoots them well? My other liberty is the synthetic  .22 & i figured with my luck i would grab the wrong rifle & not find out till i got to the range! I hope it shoots as good as the .22.
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
I'll bet we will be keeping them busy in the shipping dept over at ATI. If your into pcp's this is really a no brainer!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 23, 2018, 01:05:48 PM
I'll bet we will be keeping them busy in the shipping dept over at ATI. If your into pcp's this is really a no brainer!

Guys you are trying to put me on the couch until Christmas.I haven’t pulled the trigger but it’s in my cart and I’m eyeballing my wallet :-\
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 01:30:50 PM
Frankie- Just keep telling yourself it's an addiction & you will feel better once you click the buy key! Seriously though, with the Gauntlet,Fortitude & the Dars it just keeps getting better & better. Wonder what Shot Show 2019 will bring?
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Post by: cosmic on November 23, 2018, 01:46:38 PM
You all need a kick in the @@@ !! I just ordered a wood .177 Liberty !! Thanks and happy holidays  !!
                Ray
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 01:56:11 PM
Congrats Ray- I'm sure your gonna love it.
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Post by: Lastdog on November 23, 2018, 02:36:40 PM
Could not pass up the Black Friday deal. Got a wood 22. E ha
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Post by: cosmic on November 23, 2018, 03:08:19 PM
They are going to be busy !!! Thanks to Jen for the email !!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 23, 2018, 03:12:55 PM
If your guns shoot anything like mine. You will be grinning from ear to ear. I will be awaiting your thoughts once you receive your rifles.
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Post by: Missed-Em on November 23, 2018, 03:14:43 PM
OK, I'm in for a wood stock in 22 cal. Now the wait to insure they ship to my state!
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Post by: pat585 on November 23, 2018, 04:21:49 PM
Seems most everyone is getting the wood stock? I guess they are going to be planting more trees in china soon! I haven't shoot my liberty .22 since i sent my endcap in on 11/9. My adaptor was made last Saturday & he simply forgot to ship it out. Grrrr. I shot it without the endcap & it sounded like a 22 rimfire!!
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 23, 2018, 06:31:17 PM
22 wood on order, hope they don't run out before shipping mine. Put it on my card and will cash out some vacation time to pay for it after Jan 1.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 23, 2018, 10:26:56 PM
Looks like all the .22's are out of stock!  Those went fast!  They still have them in .177 in both wood and synthetic.
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Post by: Back_Roads on November 23, 2018, 10:30:52 PM
 Wow I was just going to get one in .22 and their gone  :o
There was another dealer selling them ill look to see if they still do ???
 Glad I got my synthetic .177 before the rush  ;D
Guess the Freedom .22 is going squirrel hunting with me for now  ;)
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Post by: Rohmpm on November 23, 2018, 10:35:52 PM
I ordered a .22 in synthetic. I hunt, drag, bang and scuff. Any available object is a rest.  I have many wood stocked guns that just sit because of that. My Urban and Flash get a lot of use and show it very little. 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 24, 2018, 01:04:26 PM
Peter- I agree 100%. The times they are a changin.  And not for the better! As a teenager i would often put my .22 rifle in a gun sack, grab a box of 100 rounds of rimfire ammo & take the bus out to the country & no one would even look twice at you. Can you imagine doing that today! Every one would run off the bus & the swat team would be called. Just saying that customer service has gone the way of the dodo bird.

Yep really sad to say the least. Expecially for the ones who grew up in those days of innocents.
Now days if you shot a dodo bird, if they were still around, you would be put away for more years than if one was to do a more heinous crime.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 24, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Frankie- Get ready for a work out when you do clean it.  It took me a while to clean my SPA rifles but  my liberty was twice as long! That preservative they use is almost like a tar consistence.

Did you try different cleaners or stick to one to clean the barrel?
I read good reviews about Googone. Although I've always like how WD-40 has worked for me. I still use it to clean my barrels when accuracy falls off.
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Post by: TheSaint on November 24, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
I started the barrel cleaning with Goo Gone. Whatever preservative they use in the barrel laughed at that. In the end, wound up using Chlorinated BrakeKleen and a bronze brush,  followed by white cotton T-shirt patches. Every time I though the barrel was clean (the patches were coming out white) it hit the barrel with more BreakKleen and the brush. Low and behold, the patches would come out black. I did the rinse and repeat close to a dozen times before the patches stayed white. Over 40 patches, if memory serves. Took close 45min.

Btw, I had no way to measure it, but that barrel is tight, and the twist rate looks like 20:1.
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Post by: pat585 on November 24, 2018, 03:14:43 PM
Matt- Everyone has their favorite concoctions. I clean with Kroil first to soften everything up, then i use Shooters Choice Lead Remover. I also use JB paste occasionally. I like that you can go longer between cleanings with AG as opposed to my PB's. So far no ill effects on my barrels that have o-rings in them.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 24, 2018, 03:18:16 PM
ATI's Black Friday code is active!  BLACK20 will get you 20% off the Liberty air Rifles!  Happy Black Friday!

Ordered one last evening in 22 caliber.
Be interesting to compare it to my Marauder, Discovery and Chief all in 22 caliber.
Tree rats have been eating faster than I can fill the feeders.
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Post by: pat585 on November 24, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
Mike- i slugged my .22 barrel with a jsb 18gr. With a .555 skirt it went down to .535. I then did my marauder barrel. With another .555 skirt it went down to .545.Also these barrels have a nice recessed crown on them.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 24, 2018, 09:04:58 PM
Matt- Everyone has their favorite concoctions. I clean with Kroil first to soften everything up, then i use Shooters Choice Lead Remover. I also use JB paste occasionally. I like that you can go longer between cleanings with AG as opposed to my PB's. So far no ill effects on my barrels that have o-rings in them.

GADS if it's going to be that dirty I think I'll send it out to have it professionally cleaned  ;D :o
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Post by: pat585 on November 24, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
Maybe they thought the guns would be sitting on the shelf for a few years. Little did they know! Since i only have .177 wadcutters on hand i think i will order more pellets. Any recommendations on what's shooting good in the .177 liberty?I see JSB has got some redesigned heavies.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on November 24, 2018, 11:17:25 PM
The 10.3gr group well in almost every rifle I pick up.  So give the new Monsters a try if you want to experiment with a super heavy but the 10.3 is the nearest to a sure thing as there is.
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Post by: skorec on November 25, 2018, 12:01:30 AM
The 10.3gr group well in almost every rifle I pick up.  So give the new Monsters a try if you want to experiment with a super heavy but the 10.3 is the nearest to a sure thing as there is.

+1
YES JSB Exact Heavy 4,52 should  to work OK.  If no you need to check/correct/polish   barrel crown/port
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 08:02:06 AM
For those who ordered or already own their NOVA VISTA PCP, which scope are you using or plan on using?
I'm doing my shopping now or trying to decide if I should use one that's sitting on the shelf. UTG 3x9 40 AO or HAWK 3x9 40 AO Vantage.
Want to get the most out of this one since it has a lot of good reads and potential.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 25, 2018, 08:52:32 AM
For those who ordered or already own their NOVA VISTA PCP, which scope are you using or plan on using?
I'm doing my shopping now or trying to decide if I should use one that's sitting on the shelf. UTG 3x9 40 AO or HAWK 3x9 40 AO Vantage.
Want to get the most out of this one since it has a lot of good reads and potential.

I use hawke vantage 6x24x44 side focus.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 25, 2018, 09:19:56 AM
For those who ordered or already own their NOVA VISTA PCP, which scope are you using or plan on using?
I'm doing my shopping now or trying to decide if I should use one that's sitting on the shelf. UTG 3x9 40 AO or HAWK 3x9 40 AO Vantage.
Want to get the most out of this one since it has a lot of good reads and potential.


I have a UTG 3-12X44 that was on my DAR177 that will be mounted on the Liberty when it arrives.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Thank's All- I will be getting some 10.3 gr's. Anyone shoot the jsb 13.43 gr or are they made for a special twist barrel? I picked up a bushnell trophy 6x18x50 sf earlier this year thats looking for a home. I like my marauder but i'm really hooked now on side lever actions & sf scopes! Just feels more natural to me.
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Post by: huklbery on November 25, 2018, 10:15:53 AM
The .22 looks promising with a quick chrony.  Stock reminds me of the Marauder, swollen pulp wood with the alloy air tube offsetting the worst of it making handling acceptable.  .
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 10:20:35 AM
I read somewhere the tube is titanium but i can't confirm that.
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 25, 2018, 10:48:06 AM
The .22 looks promising with a quick chrony.  Stock reminds me of the Marauder, swollen pulp wood with the alloy air tube offsetting the worst of it making handling acceptable.  .

What grain pellet are you using? Mine shoots about 18fpe on low and 30fpe on high
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Post by: huklbery on November 25, 2018, 10:49:28 AM
I read somewhere the tube is titanium but i can't confirm that.

It has a light thin wall feel too it, not like heavy wall aluminum.  I'm pulling more swabs through than the SPA's so its taking a bit for Ballistol to do its dirty work.  It's reasonably quiet despite just an expansion area surrounding the barrel, for perhaps the last 1/4 of the shroud.  Nova IMHO seem to be spending the money on the important things, the stock and plastics are more of the budget side of things but certainly serviceable.   
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Post by: huklbery on November 25, 2018, 11:01:05 AM
The .22 looks promising with a quick chrony.  Stock reminds me of the Marauder, swollen pulp wood with the alloy air tube offsetting the worst of it making handling acceptable.  .

What grain pellet are you using? Mine shoots about 18fpe on low and 30fpe on high

I'm getting 25 & 15 ftlbs with 14.3 Crosmans (my cheap baseline for chrony).  5ftlbs is significant but I would be willing to bet simple normal manufacturing variance and tune (Sounds like you got a hot one, this one is at 900 fps on the box and it meets that with lead).   I'm fine with it but when more advanced folk experiment with the output preasure I'll be messing with it I suspect. 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
I read somewhere the tube is titanium but i can't confirm that.

https://mrtitanium.info/2008/03/17/how-to-tell-if-a-piece-of-metal-is-really-titanium/
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 11:16:54 AM
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I use hawke vantage 6x24x44 side focus.

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I have a UTG 3-12X44 that was on my DAR177 that will be mounted on the Liberty when it arrives.

I have and use both UTG & Hawke but find that the Hawke glass is clearer. Notice it more in lower light conditions such as in my basement.
Hawke has stood up better on my springers. Not that this will be a problem on the Liberty.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 11:19:33 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why these guns are so quiet? My outlaw has basically  the same set up but it was so much louder that i had to get a moderator on it quick or wear ear plugs. The liberty has a solid collar with 2 o- rings about 4 in. from the muzzle that centers the shroud. I wonder if moving the position of that collar would affect the sound? When i get my end cap back it might be worth a try.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 11:26:58 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out why these guns are so quiet? My outlaw has basically  the same set up but it was so much louder that i had to get a moderator on it quick or wear ear plugs.

Lighter, less expensive, and quieter were top on my list when I was looking. I was VERY CLOSE to getting the Outlaw until the Liberty came along. Had it gone on sale I was going to go for it. Hoping I made the right choice. My only concern will be reliability, service after the sale if that becomes an issue.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 11:58:05 AM
Just to get off the subject for a second. My cousin here in N.Y is an NRA instructor & just sent me an e-mail. They are introducing a bill that will require you to show your browsing history on facebook, twitter,etc before you can purchase a firearm. Can these stupid gun laws get any crazier? Might be time to pack my bags!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 12:21:17 PM
Just to get off the subject for a second. My cousin here in N.Y is an NRA instructor & just sent me an e-mail. They are introducing a bill that will require you to show your browsing history on facebook, twitter,etc before you can purchase a firearm. Can these stupid gun laws get any crazier? Might be time to pack my bags!

I had a detail insight written up for you about other from NY and people from away moving to Southern Maine and how it's changing Southern Maine and the ripple effect on people who have lived here all there lives. But after I hit "POST" I was logged off. I think my "on line" time ran out or somebody didn't like my comments  ;D :( :o

Not surprised about Facebook revelations because some employers want to know if their potential employees have these accounts.
Military is one for sure and there are limits being put on social networking accounts depending on what theater you are assigned to.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 12:31:37 PM
Matt- It could be worse!! I just visited the Canadian Air Forum looking for info on my P15. Bullpups are illegal, anything over 500 fps is considered a firearm & if your airgun came with a factory installed moderator the baffles must be removed & certified that they were removed! Donny would be looking for a different line of work up there.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 12:45:50 PM
Matt- It could be worse!! I just visited the Canadian Air Forum looking for info on my P15. Bullpups are illegal, anything over 500 fps is considered a firearm & if your airgun came with a factory installed moderator the baffles must be removed & certified that they were removed! Donny would be looking for a different line of work up there.

I know only too well the "over the top" laws Canada has on the restrictions on firearms. I go there occasionally and know the drill what the custom agents ask "Do you have anything to declare". They go through a list of do you have any of what you should not have and watch your body language, eyes etc. Same as when you fly commercial. Then decide you are one of the ones to get "randomly" screened. ::)
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Post by: huklbery on November 25, 2018, 01:46:26 PM
So testing is done for the day....
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 25, 2018, 02:02:27 PM
Uhhh that's not good
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Post by: SoCalZac on November 25, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
So testing is done for the day....

Oh no what happened?
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 02:09:34 PM
Mark-Sorry but i don't understand the picture? How did your testing go?
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 02:11:00 PM
Oh- I see now! How did it happen?
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Post by: nervoustrigger on November 25, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
Looks like a clean break.  Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
So testing is done for the day....

You could always say it arrived broken  ::)
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Post by: huklbery on November 25, 2018, 02:17:48 PM
Looks like a clean break.  Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.

I'm thinking for expediency that is the way to go, the roll off the stand was about 1.5 feet....
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 25, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
Looks like a clean break.  Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.

I'm thinking for expediency that is the way to go, the roll off the stand was about 1.5 feet....

Yikes. So it fell from a stand? I’ve had that happen on a rimfire before broke in almost the same place.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
That not so good's-I remember reading some people with FX & Redwolf stocks were broke in the same place from rough shipping. Look's like the weak link in wood stocks? Hope ATI sends you a new stock without any hassle.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 25, 2018, 02:52:57 PM
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Hope ATI sends you a new stock without any hassle.

That would sure make a statement regarding their customer service.

I only have one of those cheap red plastic stands that's prone of doing that. So I use bungee cords as a CYA.
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Post by: pat585 on November 25, 2018, 03:29:14 PM
My PB benchrest rifles have 3 in wide forearms & their not going anywhere . Most other forearms unless their flat, have that tendency to want to roll. I was at the range once with a guy next to me shooting a brand new Weatherby 300 mag beautiful rifle with just his rolled up jacket as his front rest. While we were down patching up our targets we heard that sickening sound. His once new rifle was laying on the concrete It broke his leupold scope & heavily damaged the stock and the beautiful blueing. Point being, ever since then i take my rifles out of the bags & lay them on the bench. BSTS.
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Post by: Nomadic Pirate on November 25, 2018, 03:41:50 PM
Looks like a clean break.  Wood glue and 2ea or 3ea 3-inch #10 decking screws and you'll be back in business.


Yep, some Titebond III and a wood screw and the stock will be stronger then before.
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Post by: superchikn on November 26, 2018, 01:51:47 PM
Ordered mine in .22 wood stock with black Friday/cyber Monday discount.  Its my first PCP.  My wife is going to kill me when she sees the CC bill.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 26, 2018, 03:02:30 PM
 
Ordered mine in .22 wood stock with black Friday/cyber Monday discount.  Its my first PCP.  My wife is going to kill me when she sees the CC bill.

Yes... That’s why I refrained from buying my second one in .177. The bumps and bruises she would bless me with would not be worth the enjoyment of the rifle. Or would it? ::)
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Post by: Missed-Em on November 26, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
Anxiously awaiting my shipment notice - I hate waiting!
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Post by: pat585 on November 26, 2018, 07:17:37 PM
Ray- This is your first PCP & your wife is going to kill you! What is she going to do to you next year when you order an FX?? My first PCP was my prod & that was easy to hand pump. Then i got my wildcat & that's when my age caught up to me & i bought a power booster. Just went to the ATI web site & it said my order for the .177 liberty is processing! Must be over worked in the shipping dept.
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 26, 2018, 08:14:32 PM
I hoped to find a shipping notification in my email today but nada, oh well maybe tomorrow. I rather suspect this company has about two employees, Jennifer and maybe her husband or someone else that does the heavy lifting. ::)
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Post by: Back_Roads on November 26, 2018, 08:25:22 PM
 This black week sale is going to make me cave in and spend all the $ I have set aside for a Hammer .50 cal. ... but I really do want to get one of these in .22 and wood stock .  :-\
 Oh what the heck here It goes :)
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Post by: superchikn on November 26, 2018, 08:26:12 PM
Ray- This is your first PCP & your wife is going to kill you! What is she going to do to you next year when you order an FX??

Since this time last year, four rifles, three pistols, eight scopes, three dot reflex sites, bags, targets 100s of CO2 powerlets, CO2 paintball tanks hoses etc. scope mounts, tuning parts and tools and supplies, 20,000 plus pellets, gun cases a Maccari tune kit and so much more.  No she would not understand spending the cost for this one,  but much more than that is the cumulative effect.  Oh well!!!

EDIT,  and i still need to get a scope and a pump for this and then I'll need a tank and so on...
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 26, 2018, 08:29:12 PM
Tom- Same assumption I had with my experience. I think it’s a smaller shop as well. I think their man focus is on firearms but I think they are trying to learn the Airgun business. I can respect that and hopefully they stick around for awhile.
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Post by: pat585 on November 26, 2018, 08:45:06 PM
I wouldn't doubt it! I just got to try my adaptor & while these guns are pretty quite, when i put on the moderator all i heard was the pellet hitting the backstop! Great for hunters. Only problem is i'm getting pellet clipping. If i shoot with just the adaptor on it's fine but once i put on the moderator it a foot off. I tried different moderators & the same thing. I'll have to figure this out?
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 26, 2018, 09:37:46 PM
I thought someone had already posted that all the wood 22's were gone? Maybe they received another shipment? Did you get an order confirmation email?
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Post by: pat585 on November 26, 2018, 09:54:54 PM
I did get a conformation but it wouldn't open in my gmail. I went with the USPS shipping at $7.80. But the .22 i ordered a couple of weeks ago came fedex for $8.60. Now they want $20.80 for fedex? Hope they send tracking # when they ship.
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Post by: superchikn on November 26, 2018, 10:36:19 PM
I thought someone had already posted that all the wood 22's were gone? Maybe they received another shipment? Did you get an order confirmation email?

No it is still processing.  Say it aint so.  It didn't show as being out of stock.
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Post by: Back_Roads on November 26, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
 It showed out of stock, they may have put a cap on number of them on sale for the given sale, and now have extended it.
 I had also looked at budsgunshop when they were "out of stock" and they showed empty also.  ::)
 PS still hovering over the buy button black20 code still working  :-\
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Post by: hanleyfan on November 27, 2018, 01:37:26 PM
you guys know what happens when the demand for a product is high, The price goes up! It would not surprise me if they don't raise the price because of the demand for the gun.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on November 27, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
wrong thread...sorry
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 27, 2018, 02:26:33 PM
you guys know what happens when the demand for a product is high, The price goes up! It would not surprise me if they don't raise the price because of the demand for the gun.

Hopefully if they do, they’ll quickly realize that it’s THE PRICE that makes the demand so high. Jacking up the price might kill the sales.

Side note: I pre-ordered a Gauntlet in .25 from Pyramid Air by taking advantage of the cyber Monday 20% discount plus free shipping. The addiction is real. It was really tempting to order the Hammer with that discount, but I wanted to stay hand pump friendly for now.
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Post by: Back_Roads on November 28, 2018, 09:04:42 AM
 BTW I hit the buy button an a .22 wood stock  ;D #2 for me on this fine gun.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 28, 2018, 09:23:58 AM
Has anyone who purchased on Black Friday received shipping notification yet?  My order still shows it processing on their website. They must have been hit hard with sales! 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 28, 2018, 09:27:17 AM
Has anyone who purchased on Black Friday received shipping notification yet?  My order still shows it processing on their website. They must have been hit hard with sales!

None for me.
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Post by: huklbery on November 28, 2018, 09:35:51 AM
It took 3 working (5 actual) days for my prior order on notification.  It was only three days shipping though from east to west coast.  Tough wait I know, but well worth it.   
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 28, 2018, 09:44:21 AM
It took 3 working (5 actual) days for my prior order on notification.  It was only three days shipping though from east to west coast.  Tough wait I know, but well worth it.

You just described the formula for the ointment that soothes and cures. ;D
If it had a track history like the Fortitude there would be a fly in the ointment as they say.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
Just got off the phone with jennifer. My gun will be here tomorrow by USPS. So their on the way. I asked why i didn't get any tracking info & she was surprised & said she would look into it? I also asked her if they had a parts break down she could email me for the liberty & she will look into it. She said they have it for the freedom but wasn't sure about the liberty. Got some .177 pellets coming from treniers tomorrow so it looks like good timing.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:33:15 AM
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=7620f35c19&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1618387716454477174&th=1675ab0db41fed76&view=att&disp=safe                  She also sent this but we need more info!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 10:35:26 AM
I guess you could call this a little progress. Am I right to assume this is the hammer spring? There is no screw to adjust the spring. Looks like you shin with washers. Any thoughts?
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:42:40 AM
Definitely the hammer spring. You could shim, put in a longer spring or maybe someone will fabricate a  spring cover with an adjustment screw>Still taking baby steps!!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 10:44:31 AM
Definitely the hammer spring. You could shim, put in a longer spring or maybe someone will fabricate a  spring cover with an adjustment screw>Still taking baby steps!!

That’s the idea I had in mind. Wouldn’t be too hard to do from the looks of it.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 10:48:04 AM
I’m going to try and drop the trigger pack as well. I’ll post a picture for everyone to see that as well.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:48:41 AM
Frankie- I would try a longer spring first & see if you get the results you are looking for. Then let the mods begin!!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 28, 2018, 10:59:19 AM
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=7620f35c19&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1618387716454477174&th=1675ab0db41fed76&view=att&disp=safe                  She also sent this but we need more info!

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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 11:01:36 AM
Frankie- I would try a longer spring first & see if you get the results you are looking for. Then let the mods begin!!

Pat I will probably just shim with washers as it’ll be the easiest thing for me to do. I really just want to know how everything works. If I come to a point where I’am uncomfortable I’ll stop. Right now I’m a bit skeptical of the pin that holds the trigger pack in the receiver so I’ll most likely stop. My pin is a bit snug and I don’t have a punch so I don’t want to mar the receiver finish.
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Post by: cosmic on November 28, 2018, 11:04:01 AM
Just recieved my shipping info...
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 11:29:51 AM
Matt- Don't know why it doesn't open for you but it really didn't help much. I called jennifer back & she will look for a schematic view with parts numbers. I shot some jsb 13.43 last night & couldn't believe the accuracy. 7 shots went in the exact same hole at 20 yds. Can't wait to see what the .177 does.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 11:58:44 AM
Oh BTW- When i was checking out of the website last week it said someone had to sign for the package. When i asked jennifer she said that doesn't pertain to airguns.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 28, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
Just recieved my shipping info...

Just received an email that mine shipped.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on November 28, 2018, 12:33:46 PM
Matt- Don't know why it doesn't open for you but it really didn't help much. I called jennifer back & she will look for a schematic view with parts numbers. I shot some jsb 13.43 last night & couldn't believe the accuracy. 7 shots went in the exact same hole at 20 yds. Can't wait to see what the .177 does.

Excellent!
I keep reading many positive reviews about the rifle and I shake my head in disbelief why other airgun companies can't duplicate the same successful product.
SPA as you well know has a fine example with the rebranded Diana Outlaw. I understand there were some initial issues with the orings but think this got resolved.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 01:02:16 PM
So here is a photo of the stock washers that shim the hammer spring. I plan on using these other which happen to be a little thick to add to the adjustment.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 28, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
Frankie- I would try a longer spring first & see if you get the results you are looking for. Then let the mods begin!!

Pat I will probably just shim with washers as it’ll be the easiest thing for me to do. I really just want to know how everything works. If I come to a point where I’am uncomfortable I’ll stop. Right now I’m a bit skeptical of the pin that holds the trigger pack in the receiver so I’ll most likely stop. My pin is a bit snug and I don’t have a punch so I don’t want to mar the receiver finish.

If you have a small Allen wrench, that would work. Or those small screwdrivers with the swivel top. Even a small HSS drill bit. If it seems snug, try driving it from the opposite direction. Some pins are tapered and only go in and out from one side.

Good luck, and thanks for blazing the trail!
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
Frankie- I'll bet your having fun now! Those washers should get you in the 900's like you're looking for.Waiting for your chrony results? I just put a centerpoint scope (3x12x44-30mm tube) on my liberty & looks nice & clear. Only problem is it's on the heavy side, But for benchrest it works. Just shoveled the driveway & now it time to pull the trigger.
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Post by: TheSaint on November 28, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
My rifle is also going to be here tomorrow. I'll start a complete tare down with pics.

I'm almost certain that there's only so many more washers (if any) you're going to be able to use to shim the hammer spring B4 the rifle won't cock and the safety becomes usless.

I'm more interested in seeing if the regulator is adjustable.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
Mike-If you go back and watch the Hindi video, he has the regulator in his hand & mentions the word adjustable . He then motions with his hand in a clockwise  gesture but couldn't make out any more? I'm sure it's adjustable!
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Post by: cosmic on November 28, 2018, 05:21:10 PM
Wow !! Tracking this morning and rifle delivered this afternoon !!! Got to clean the barrel and need to find somewhere to play. Mine is a .177.. Very nice looking, lightweight rifle compared to the gauntlet !!
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 28, 2018, 05:46:21 PM
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=7620f35c19&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1618387716454477174&th=1675ab0db41fed76&view=att&disp=safe                  She also sent this but we need more info!

I get the following error when I click on the link:

"We’re sorry, but your Gmail account is temporarily unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience and suggest trying again in a few minutes. You can view the G Suite Status Dashboard for the current status of the service"

If the issue persists, please visit the Gmail Help Center »

I'm getting the same error.  If it's a .pdf file, you should be able to upload it to the post.

I received an e-mail this morning with my tracking number and a note saying it should be delivered tomorrow.  I guess Jennifer went and kicked someone's tail in shipping!  :o
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
Today when i talked to jennifer she said they were very surprised by the amount of Nova's they have sold. Wonder what Nova will come out with next. They have the Freedom Pump & the Liberty-Maybe a bullpup or semi-auto. At 300 bar they already have the air for it.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 07:20:18 PM

I tore the entire trigger assembly apart and it wasn’t that difficult.  If any attempt to do this just knock the two pins on the trigger pack out and leave the pin in the receiver. Reason being it’s pain to line the hole in the hammer up with receiver. Not mention hold it in place while inserting the pin. The guts of the trigger pack and blade will come out by knocking out those two pins. When the blade comes out of the pack it  reaveals a hex head screw that attaches the pack to the receiver. Remove the hex head screw and the housing for the pack will come free.
I only installled two washers on the hammer spring guide. The gun doesn’t seem to have any stiffer cocking than it had before so that’s awesome. I would preferably like to adjust the regulator but this was another option. I’ll need to chrony the rifle but that won’t be until sometime Sunday most likely as I have to work the rest of the week. Guys this was not difficult to do just degas and knock out a few pins and you’re there. Sorry got carried away and didn’t take pics but looks like Mike will be doing the same and posting pictures.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 09:22:16 PM
Frankie- Nice work. Are you planning on doing some stone work on the trigger, or did you just want to see the innards? I think you said you loosened screw B & you got a light trigger. I took screw B completely out & the trigger was the same. In my case i put a longer screw in C but the safety doesn't work now. Can you tell me if there is anything like a spring  if you remove screw B? Without a parts diagram i can't tell!
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 28, 2018, 09:23:22 PM
Seeing some of you who ordered just before I did get shipping notifications got me all excited, until I checked my email again and found nada. UUUHHHHH....  maybe tomorrow, but if not I guess I'll have to get on the phone and find out what's happening.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 09:47:05 PM
Pat- there is a spring that looks like it could be swapped out for a lighter spring. It is located on the screw that you have taken out and removed for another. That original spring had a small washer attached to hold the spring in place on the screw. Being that you removed yours I bet it has fell somewhere in the trigger pack. If you look at the diagram in the manual you can see the spring I speak of. I plan on trying to find a lighter gauge spring and trying it out at some point. Right now I’am just trying to get my velocity where I want.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 28, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Pat- sorry I just realized you said you removed screw C. Screw C has nothing under it really. Screw b has the spring that is being compressed. Screw C is supposed to adjust travel in the first stage.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:04:33 PM
Yea in the manual it looks like a spring in screw B. There is nothing rattling around although it could be wedged in there.I think it just got left out at the factory but i'll check. Screw B is the one i fully removed that didn't have any spring with it & made no difference to trigger pull. So i put a longer screw in C. My pull is 1 lb but with no safety?
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Post by: smythsg on November 28, 2018, 10:04:55 PM
Got my shipping notice today, rifle to be delivered on Friday (.22 Synthetic stock) Really looking forward to this one.
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Post by: pat585 on November 28, 2018, 10:09:19 PM
Steve make sure you give it a good cleaning. These barrels are full of gunk!!
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Post by: SoCalZac on November 28, 2018, 11:52:29 PM
I ordered a synthetic stock .22 on Sunday. No shipping notice yet but I’m sure it’s either shipped or will be tomorrow. It looks like it is sold as the alpha overseas. Here’s a nice review I found of it

https://youtu.be/_T1FA3Pm7Eg (https://youtu.be/_T1FA3Pm7Eg)


Edit: I just got the shipping notice it should be here Saturday!! 🎊👍
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Post by: superchikn on November 29, 2018, 12:29:49 PM
Ordered mine late Monday and just got shipping notification.  Wahoo!
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
Thought i would be shooting my .177 by now! My mail comes everyday at 10:00 & now that i'm waiting for my Nova it's 1:00 & no mailman!! It's like they know when your waiting for something!!!
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Post by: cosmic on November 29, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
Just wondering how to remove the shroud so I can clean the barrel ? I know to remove the stock, but do I losen the bands screws and the shroud screw ?
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
Ray- Loosen the band screw & take out that little shroud screw. I spray a little silicone on the shroud so it doesn't get scratched up when sliding it through the band clamp.
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Post by: superchikn on November 29, 2018, 02:35:03 PM
Thought i would be shooting my .177 by now! My mail comes everyday at 10:00 & now that i'm waiting for my Nova it's 1:00 & no mailman!! It's like they know when your waiting for something!!!

Yeah I got mine sent to work to keep it under the radar,  tracking says it will be on Saturday which means I will not see it until Monday. 
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 05:01:22 PM
Mine arrived today.  I shot 3 magazines through it and then cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone.  The CPUM's are all over the place.  H&N Sniper Mediums did the best, but still not as tight as I'd like.  I also tried the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets.  They were better than the CPUM's but not by much.  All told I shot 5-6 full magazines through it and still had over 2000 psi of air left, so shot count is great.  I have not put it over the crony, so I have no numbers.  I filled it to 4000 psi and will let it sit till tomorrow to see if it's losing any air. 

It seems everyone here was really impressed with the accuracy of these rifles.  At this point, I'm not.  In fact I put the scope I previously erode on my DAR25 and it took 2-3 complete revolution of the height and windage adjustments to get it on the target.  This seems way excessive to me.  This weekend I have to have some free time to really scrub the barrel and see if that improves things any.  Hopefully it will improve as I shoot more pellets through it, but at this point, I'm a bit disappointed.  :(
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Post by: cosmic on November 29, 2018, 05:02:08 PM
What size are the trigger screws ? I like a single stage trigger...
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 29, 2018, 05:47:08 PM
Mine arrived today.  I shot 3 magazines through it and then cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone.  The CPUM's are all over the place.  H&N Sniper Mediums did the best, but still not as tight as I'd like.  I also tried the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets.  They were better than the CPUM's but not by much.  All told I shot 5-6 full magazines through it and still had over 2000 psi of air left, so shot count is great.  I have not put it over the crony, so I have no numbers.  I filled it to 4000 psi and will let it sit till tomorrow to see if it's losing any air. 

It seems everyone here was really impressed with the accuracy of these rifles.  At this point, I'm not.  In fact I put the scope I previously erode on my DAR25 and it took 2-3 complete revolution of the height and windage adjustments to get it on the target.  This seems way excessive to me.  This weekend I have to have some free time to really scrub the barrel and see if that improves things any.  Hopefully it will improve as I shoot more pellets through it, but at this point, I'm a bit disappointed.  :(

Paul-Which caliber did you buy? My .22 loves jsb 18.13 gr but also like H&N baracuda hunters as well.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 05:47:15 PM
For anyone who is interested, I measured the magazine from these Liberty's and compared them to the Gauntlet and Marauder magazines.  They are essentially identical.  I also tested fitted a .22 Gauntlet mag and .22 Marauder mag in my .177 Liberty.  The Gauntlet mags seems to fit better than the Marauder mags.  The Marauder mags fit a bit loose and felt sloppy where the gauntlet mag snapped in place just like the Liberty mags do. 

This is actually good news because the Gauntlet mags are generally cheaper than the Marauder mags.  Obviously I couldn't test the actual functionality of the mags since all I have are the .22 mags for the Marauder and Gauntlet, but I did order a couple .177 Gauntlet mags from Amazon, so I'll know for sure when they arrive.

The .177 Gauntlet mags are $9.99 on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WLJ1M2L/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WLJ1M2L/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_6?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1)
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 05:52:53 PM
Paul -Is yours wood or synthetic? And have you taken it apart at all?
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 05:52:59 PM
Mine arrived today.  I shot 3 magazines through it and then cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone.  The CPUM's are all over the place.  H&N Sniper Mediums did the best, but still not as tight as I'd like.  I also tried the Air Arms Diabolo Field pellets.  They were better than the CPUM's but not by much.  All told I shot 5-6 full magazines through it and still had over 2000 psi of air left, so shot count is great.  I have not put it over the crony, so I have no numbers.  I filled it to 4000 psi and will let it sit till tomorrow to see if it's losing any air. 

It seems everyone here was really impressed with the accuracy of these rifles.  At this point, I'm not.  In fact I put the scope I previously erode on my DAR25 and it took 2-3 complete revolution of the height and windage adjustments to get it on the target.  This seems way excessive to me.  This weekend I have to have some free time to really scrub the barrel and see if that improves things any.  Hopefully it will improve as I shoot more pellets through it, but at this point, I'm a bit disappointed.  :(

Paul-Which caliber did you buy? My .22 loves jsb 18.13 gr but also like H&N baracuda hunters as well.

I got it in .177, with the wood stock.  The stock is beautiful!  I'll be testing more pellets in it this weekend.  I did a really quick cleaning of the barrel with just Goo Gone and some patches.  I'll use bore scrub and a better follow-up cleaner this weekend and see if that helps.  I completely removed the barrel from the rifle and the shroud to clean it, it was too hard trying to hit that small bore that's sunk so far back in the shroud. 

Also, which screws/bolts do you remove to remove the stock?  I see 3 black hex head bolts and one silver flat head screw on the bottom of the stock?  You can't get to the shroud retainer screw without removing either the stock or the barrel.  Removing the barrels was a bit more obvious, so I went that route!
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
I leave that small shroud screw off because like you said you have to remove the stock to get to it. The shroud /cylinder bracket holds the shroud firmly when tightened. The silver flat head screw should be marked somehow as that screw is your cylinder degasser. I can see someone thinking that screw removes the stock & getting a surprise. I would clean the barrel very good & make sure all the screws are tight & try again.
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Post by: MB on November 29, 2018, 06:14:51 PM

Hi All,

In trying to understand the video in Urdu/ Hindi I though the reviewer was implying that the regulator/ plenum that sticks down from the breech assembly could be used for either putting a pressure gauge to show reg pressure or a reg with pressure gauge not sure yet- Bonus...I was partially right, I took the initiative to ask please see attached from factory...Videos and documentation on strip down and modification are in progress at factory and hopefully will be ready soon...
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Post by: Dairyboy on November 29, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
Paul,

Have you tried the 10.34gr AA/JSBs? That's what my .177 preferred. The 8.44s were just ok out of it
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Post by: Gbcool1 on November 29, 2018, 06:25:35 PM
For anyone who is interested, I measured the magazine from these Liberty's and compared them to the Gauntlet and Marauder magazines.  They are essentially identical.  I also tested fitted a .22 Gauntlet mag and .22 Marauder mag in my .177 Liberty.  The Gauntlet mags seems to fit better than the Marauder mags.  The Marauder mags fit a bit loose and felt sloppy where the gauntlet mag snapped in place just like the Liberty mags do. 

This is actually good news because the Gauntlet mags are generally cheaper than the Marauder mags.  Obviously I couldn't test the actual functionality of the mags since all I have are the .22 mags for the Marauder and Gauntlet, but I did order a couple .177 Gauntlet mags from Amazon, so I'll know for sure when they arrive.

Good to know. I’ve been waiting for this info. I’ll probably order a couple of Gauntlet .22 mags off of Amazon then. I did see that they have spare mags for sale on the AT site, but they charge the same to ship 1 mag as they do an entire rifle.

Thanks for taking the time to test that out.

Greg
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
Paul,

Have you tried the 10.34gr AA/JSBs? That's what my .177 preferred. The 8.44s were just ok out of it

Not yet, the heaviest I have at the moment are the 10.5gr CPUM's and the H&N Sniper Magnums, but I haven't tried them yet. 

When I removed the barrel for the initial cleaning I noticed all 3 screws on the top of the breech were loose.  That may have contributed to my initial disappointment with how it was shooting.  Although the CPUM's didn't tighten up that much after the cleaning and tightening?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
For anyone who is interested, I measured the magazine from these Liberty's and compared them to the Gauntlet and Marauder magazines.  They are essentially identical.  I also tested fitted a .22 Gauntlet mag and .22 Marauder mag in my .177 Liberty.  The Gauntlet mags seems to fit better than the Marauder mags.  The Marauder mags fit a bit loose and felt sloppy where the gauntlet mag snapped in place just like the Liberty mags do. 

This is actually good news because the Gauntlet mags are generally cheaper than the Marauder mags.  Obviously I couldn't test the actual functionality of the mags since all I have are the .22 mags for the Marauder and Gauntlet, but I did order a couple .177 Gauntlet mags from Amazon, so I'll know for sure when they arrive.

Good to know. I’ve been waiting for this info. I’ll probably order a couple of Gauntlet .22 mags off of Amazon then. I did see that they have spare mags for sale on the AT site, but they charge the same to ship 1 mag as they do an entire rifle.

Thanks for taking the time to test that out.

Greg

Yep, I ordered 2 mags for less than 1 shipped from ATI!  And with Prime, I should have them on Sunday, so will be able to confirm functionality after that.
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 06:36:20 PM
Paul- I've had that happen before, so now when i get a new gun it gets cleaned & all the screws get checked! When you put your barrel back did you make sure to line up the detents with the screw holes?
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 06:44:44 PM
Mike -Glad the factory is responding.I have emailed them twice about a parts breakdown & they never got back to me.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 07:36:26 PM
Paul- I've had that happen before, so now when i get a new gun it gets cleaned & all the screws get checked! When you put your barrel back did you make sure to line up the detents with the screw holes?

Yep, sure did!  It’s a very similar design to the DAR air rifles, but the quality seems much better.
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Post by: cosmic on November 29, 2018, 07:37:22 PM
Paul remove the hex heads and the front sling swivel to remove the stock.. Silver slotted is the degassing screw..
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Post by: MB on November 29, 2018, 07:46:57 PM
Mike -Glad the factory is responding.I have emailed them twice about a parts breakdown & they never got back to me.

Hi Pat, yes have been dealing with them prior to release so knew who to reach out to... 8)
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Post by: tracker1955 on November 29, 2018, 08:37:28 PM
Am a happy camper now, got my shipping notification and tracking number today, Nova Liberty should be here in Saturdays mail. ;D
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Post by: pat585 on November 29, 2018, 09:23:51 PM
Never did get my Nova or my pellet order even though the usps site says it was to be delivered today? O well. Will see what tomorrow brings.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 29, 2018, 09:56:55 PM
Paul remove the hex heads and the front sling swivel to remove the stock.. Silver slotted is the degassing screw..

Thanks Ray.  Do I need to remove both hex head bolts that attach the trigger guard?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on November 29, 2018, 10:45:37 PM
Anyone posting groups of .22 or .177 would be a great help, looking at accuracy 30 yards +
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Post by: smythsg on November 29, 2018, 11:25:15 PM
Nova Liberty .22 Synthetic is in the house, actually arrived a day early. I will not dd unboxing pictures as that has already been done, but mine came double boxed, well protected and in perfect shape. Everything was easy to find in the box, including the spare O-rings, fill probe, wrench, and two magazines. Haven't had an opportunity to do anything with it yet but I did fill to 3000 psi and no leaks detected. Tomorrow I will clean the barrel and get everything ready for some shooting. Unfortunately it is supposed to rain tomorrow and all day Saturday, so chrony and accuracy testing may be delayed. For now mine will sport a Hawke Airmax 3x9x40 that has been removed from my SPA M16. Hopefully mine will turn out to be a shooter/keeper, and if it does, this is just a "can't be beat" deal for the price/features.

Thanks again to all the early adopters/enablers that are beginning to discover what makes this rifle tick, and how we may be able make it even better. Please keep the information coming...
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Post by: cosmic on November 30, 2018, 12:16:27 AM
Yes Paul, both the hex heads from the trigger guard need to be removed.. Then the one in front of thr trigger.. Also the front sling swivel stud (remove it with a wrench)....
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 30, 2018, 08:33:30 AM
Yes Paul, both the hex heads from the trigger guard need to be removed.. Then the one in front of thr trigger.. Also the front sling swivel stud (remove it with a wrench)....

Perfect!  Thank you!
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Post by: Missed-Em on November 30, 2018, 10:11:34 AM
Ordered mine early Friday, came yesterday, no shipping notice or tracking info but it's here.  Now the fun begins.
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Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 10:18:18 AM
Today my tracking # is saying it will be delivered today? If not it will be a long weekend!
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Post by: superchikn on November 30, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
Mine still says will be delivered tomorrow (at my work, which means Monday).  However tracking says it is at the Post office here.  Wonder if I can run over at lunch and pick it up.
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Post by: superchikn on November 30, 2018, 11:26:00 AM
Just looked again, coming today.  I don't even have a pump yet.
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Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 12:06:54 PM
Ray- The nice thing about having a regulated rifle is you won't have to fill it to max to enjoy the consistency. Remember these have 300 bar cylinders. Better start working out now!!
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Post by: SoCalZac on November 30, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
I just checked tracking and it looks like I might have it later today. Super excited to try it out. How many shots are you guys getting from a full fill? How many shots from a 200bar fill?
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Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
Zac- When i got my Nova .22 i filled to 300 bar & shot down to 200 bar & got 60 shots on low power. 740 fps with AA 16 gr. Shooting down to 100 bar should easily get you over 100 shots.
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Post by: huklbery on November 30, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
Ray- The nice thing about having a regulated rifle is you won't have to fill it to max to enjoy the consistency. Remember these have 300 bar cylinders. Better start working out now!!

I hope folk pick up on that aspect.  The bottle guns I have are CO2 1,100psi compatable, so filling by hand to  comfortable place rather than push out to 3,000psi is simply unnecessary.  You simply just refill a bit sooner from your comfort point. 

My unregulated guns tend to shoot on a curve and seldom is it most powerfull at the "max" fill preasure anyway.  So if your hand pumping nocking yourself out and stressing your pump is a diminishing return in many cases.   
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Post by: superchikn on November 30, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
Ray- The nice thing about having a regulated rifle is you won't have to fill it to max to enjoy the consistency. Remember these have 300 bar cylinders. Better start working out now!!

I hope folk pick up on that aspect.  The bottle guns I have are CO2 1,100psi compatable, so filling by hand to  comfortable place rather than push out to 3,000psi is simply unnecessary.  You simply just refill a bit sooner from your comfort point. 

My unregulated guns tend to shoot on a curve and seldom is it most powerfull at the "max" fill preasure anyway.  So if your hand pumping nocking yourself out and stressing your pump is a diminishing return in many cases.   

Very good point(s)  Thank You
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Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 02:42:10 PM
Mark- I was wondering how you made out with your broken stock  Was ATI able to do anything for you?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 30, 2018, 03:01:39 PM
Pat- How does your moderator work? I believe you said you cut 4 inches off the shroud as well? I could be wrong but I’d like to see pictures if you are willing to share.
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Post by: superchikn on November 30, 2018, 03:53:27 PM
Well here it is and I cant even open it.

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Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 04:04:26 PM
Frankie-I haven't cut the shroud back yet on my Nova. I got an adaptor for it & just put on a donny tanto. When i do cut the shroud 4in  it will be the same length as factory but with the moderator. If you thought these guns were quite before, the moderator makes them mouse fart quite. I have cut the shroud back 7in on my gladius & put a donny koi right on the threaded barrel. I like to keep my rifles stock length or shorter if possible.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on November 30, 2018, 04:22:25 PM
Pat- could you point me in the direction of the adapter and moderator? Is this a donnyfl product? I’d like to make the gun as quiet as possible as you know this is my hunting rig. Noise isn’t a concern now but the thought of quieter I still like.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 04:42:22 PM
If you go to Donny's site & look in the adaptor section you will see the man he recommends now. John Hagan -aerotulz@gmail.com. You will have to send him your shroud to get a tight fitting adaptor. He is in colorado. Once you get the adaptor any moderator that accepts 1/2 x 20 threads will work. I use the Donny Tanto because it is only 5in long & i will be cutting 4in off my shroud. He charged $60.00 for the adaptor.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: smythsg on November 30, 2018, 05:06:08 PM
Was able to shoot a few over the chrony this afternoon with my .22 Liberty. JSB 15.89 were averaging about 865 fps and CPHP was averaging about 880. I had a couple of shots go over 900 fps but it seems the regulator is taking it's time settling. One thing I noticed on my gun is that the regulator seems a bit slow to recover. If I shoot about 30 seconds apart the average velocity is a bit less that if I wait a minute or two between shots.
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Post by: huklbery on November 30, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
Mark- I was wondering how you made out with your broken stock  Was ATI able to do anything for you?

I'm happy to say Jennifer immediately offerd a return.  I had/have no expectation they were obligated to do so and am astounded and pleased to get this service (She said they are still without replacement parts).  So on the one hand I'm more than happy to share their praise.  That said if folk (like me) should demand beyond reasonable obligation too frequently, sometimes these things go sour.  Generaly in lower dollar items, if they have to touch it after sale all profit is gone.       
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on November 30, 2018, 05:33:21 PM
One thing I noticed on my gun is that the regulator seems a bit slow to recover. If I shoot about 30 seconds apart the average velocity is a bit less that if I wait a minute or two between shots.

Yeah that sounds like regulator creep.  Don’t worry about it too much until you’ve put maybe 500 through it.  Sometimes the seat will wear in more quickly but sometimes it takes a while...that was the case with my DAR .25. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on November 30, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
Zac- When i got my Nova .22 i filled to 300 bar & shot down to 200 bar & got 60 shots on low power. 740 fps with AA 16 gr. Shooting down to 100 bar should easily get you over 100 shots.
wow that’s awesome that’s why I bought this gun for more shots per fill. On my at44s-10 I get 30 shots from 200-100bar and than it’s 80 or so pumps to get it back up to 200. I’m looking forward to be able to shoot 60-100 shots at a time!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 30, 2018, 06:57:27 PM
I've reached out to David (Rocker1) about the possibility of a kit that will include 4 baffles and a spring.  I've sent him some dimensions to work with so hopefully he'll have something available soon.  This would be a kit that you just add to the shroud.  The standard baffles from his LDC's fit inside the shroud perfectly, you'd just need a spring that's about 4 ¾" long to slide over the barrel and keep the baffles from rattling inside the shroud.  His LDC's are super quiet, so this should really quiet the Liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Missed-Em on November 30, 2018, 07:35:58 PM
Do I have a problem or is it just me?

My rear trigger guard screw (bolt) does not engage the threads.  Made sure I didn't switch with the other bolt so don't know what's up.  Anybody else have this problem?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
Got my Nova .177 today. I'm really liking the looks of the wood stock version. They both have their purpose. Now for some good news!! Jennifer sent me the Nova parts breakdown & it shows all the o'rings are either a hardness of 70 or 90. I am a schmuck with computers & can't figure out how to forward this. I asked my neighbor & he said it''s a microsoft excel spreadsheet? If someone sends me their email address i could try forwarding it to them & then they could post it. If not then call jennifer on monday & i'm sure she will email you a copy.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 30, 2018, 07:54:32 PM
Here are some preliminary chrony numbers for my .177 Liberty:

Shot   High                              Low   
   Sniper Med   CPUM   Sniper Med   CPUM
   8.5 gr           10.5 gr           8.5 gr           10.5 gr
1   904                     805             819            719
2   911                     809             811             719
3   916                     807             808             714
4   916                     811             807             718
5   921                     808             809             715
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 30, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
I hope this works, here is a link to the Spreadsheet Pat got from Jennifer.  It's pretty cool the way they laid it out.  Let me know if you can't download it and I'll try something else:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 08:29:35 PM
It work's paul= Thanks for working with me!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on November 30, 2018, 08:54:07 PM
It work's paul= Thanks for working with me!

Happy to help!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on November 30, 2018, 09:05:25 PM
Thanks Pat great Spreadsheet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on November 30, 2018, 09:33:52 PM
Thanks to paul for his help & jennifer for not forgetting about my request. It's not everything but it's sure more then we had before.I filled my .177 to 200 bar and if! everything is good tomorrow i'll have some fun. For anyone just pulling theirs out of the box, just a reminder that the manometer is covered with a piece of plastic. This is the second time i got fooled on that!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on November 30, 2018, 09:46:12 PM
Looks like there will be much  room for power improvement. My .22 has only a .147 port in the barrel. I shimmed the hammer spring .040 as the only mod I made besides making the shroud whisper quiet.  Velocities with the shim are
940's with 14.35
900's with 15.39
880's with 18.13, all JSB.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on November 30, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
Do I have a problem or is it just me?

My rear trigger guard screw (bolt) does not engage the threads.  Made sure I didn't switch with the other bolt so don't know what's up.  Anybody else have this problem?

I wish I could help you out but I haven’t gotten my gun yet. Maybe one of the other guys can shed some light on this.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on November 30, 2018, 11:52:48 PM
Do I have a problem or is it just me?

My rear trigger guard screw (bolt) does not engage the threads.  Made sure I didn't switch with the other bolt so don't know what's up.  Anybody else have this problem?

I wish I could help you out but I haven’t gotten my gun yet. Maybe one of the other guys can shed some light on this.

When I opened the trigger one of the screws is pretty short and does nothing. I believe it’s the one you describe. I’m not 100% but I know one of them is very short.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on December 01, 2018, 01:51:21 AM
Got my .22 with synthetic stock this evening and it was totally empty with no air in it. I was a little a worried since I thought all PCPs were supposed to come with some pressure in them. I was right I got a leaker. I pumped it up to 300 bar shot 1 pellet and put it up. I just checked it and it is at 100 bar now just 2 hours later. I guess I’ll be sending this one back.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: smythsg on December 01, 2018, 10:17:49 AM
Pat/Paul the parts breakdown is an awesome document, just what the doctor ordered. I took my barrel off yesterday for cleaning and now it is nice to be able to see what I was looking at. By the way, that barrel was at least Crosman dirty, if not worse. The gun has an interesting layout for sure...

If Rocker 1 is able to make a baffle kit that would be nice. In stock form my Liberty makes just a bit more noise than my stock SPA M16 in .25.

I have everything ready for some shooting, but of course it is raining buckets in Atlanta today and I am on the road on Sunday, so will be middle of the week before I get back and get some trigger time.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 10:49:11 AM
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on December 01, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
So it held air at 100bar overnight and I tried repumping just now. I can hear the air leaking as I’m pumping and I can feel air that seems to be coming from the burst disc or somewhere near that area. I didn’t get anywhere near 5000psi so I don’t think it’s the disc but idk for sure. I guess if it wasn’t  for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: huklbery on December 01, 2018, 11:11:04 AM
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.

Also crossing fingers its just snugging up the slotted degass  screw in the forestock. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on December 01, 2018, 11:25:28 AM
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.

I actually just checked the bleed screw before I saw This post and it is tight. I’m pretty bummed about it. Everything was looking great last night when I was filling it no leaks and I was surprised at how quite it is. I was looking forward to some target practice today with a new toy but looks like I’ll have to wait a bit.

Also crossing fingers its just snugging up the slotted degass  screw in the forestock.

Edit: Pat mine was squeaking to when I was filling it. I thought maybe it was my pump so I put some silicone oil in the tube and a light coating on the outside of the inner tube but it was still squeaking. I did find that strange as well.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on December 01, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
I can hear the air leaking as I’m pumping and I can feel air that seems to be coming from the burst disc or somewhere near that area. I didn’t get anywhere near 5000psi so I don’t think it’s the disc but idk for sure. I guess if it wasn’t  for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all.

If it's leaking slowly from the burst disk area, it's because it's not seated fully.  If it had ruptured, it would make a loud pop and all the air would evacuate in a few seconds.  Or more correct in this case, you wouldn't have been able to fill it because it would be leaking out faster than you can add air.

Try snugging it up.  I've seen this leak many times on paintball bottles, usually a very slow leak.  The sealing margins are not very forgiving.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 01:08:38 PM
I would mix some dishwater soap with water & pinpoint the leak. Then you can see if it's something you feel comfortable trying to fix yourself. Don't know why it stopped leaking at 100 bar & didn't completely empty out?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: smythsg on December 01, 2018, 01:14:50 PM
WOW, this has never happened to me before. After cleaning the barrel of my Liberty and re-assembly, I mounted a Centerpoint 3x9x40 scope on the rifle that I had taken off my Hatsan 125 when I sold it a bit ago. Just to test the magazines and put some pellets through the barrel, I walked out on the deck and shot a couple of CPHP at a leaf (in the rain) at about 15 yards. Both hits... I was impressed. Then on a whim, I picked out another small leaf on the ground out at my 50 yard target and let fly with a one mil holdover, another hit...now I'm really impressed. Two full magazines through the barrel has now convinced me that the scope is very close to dead on, without me having to make any adjustments since I mounted it. Just WOW!

Both magazines worked perfectly, and the cycle is quite smooth. Out of the box, my trigger does not exibit a first stage at all. It is crisp, with what I expect is about a 2 3/4 - 3 lb pull, not too bad for a hunting rifle. While I have the synthetic stock, it feels substantial, and very lite with the CP scope mounted. I'm afraid the chippers, squirrels, and starlings are going to learn to hate this one.  8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on December 01, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
I wish I had that same luck. I had to crank my scope elevation up quite a bit from the previous gun it came from. It’s good to hear the cphp are shooting ok. I’m pretty much done with them after 3 of my rifles would throw a flier about every 4 shots. I don’t think I’ll ever look back. Yes the trigger adjustments are wonky but I think a lighter spring would help in all aspects. To wet to get out and shoot mine today after the hammer spring changes I made. I look forward to getting out tomorrow and seeing how it works out.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 02:37:37 PM
Frankie- I had the same problem with scope? Had to shim under the rear ring & now its fine. I'm still having fits with adj these triggers. Got it down to 1 lb 6 oz but i had to replace screw A with a longer one. On both of my guns screw B should be all you have to adj for a lighter pull but it stays at 3 lbs even with the screw removed? If i turn it in CW the pull goes up to 6 lbs. Screws A and C are already bottomed out by the screw heads so longer screws are needed if you want to adj them further. I think your right about replacing the springs. I know when i took the lawyer spring out of my marauder it was like night & day.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on December 01, 2018, 02:52:10 PM
If you've got a leak near the burst disc screw, tighten it and the long silver slotted head screw that is used to degassing the rifle.

Mine had the same leak. Tightened down the degass screw and problem solved.

My rifle was supposed to be here two days ago. USPS now says it's gonna arrive late, but is still on the way. Bummer.

Now somebody with a little more time on their hands needs to put together an O-ring kit for this little girl. I'd happily pay $25.00 plus shipping not to have to do the work, lol!

Also, it looks like multi holed brass disk is the regulator adjustment after all. Looks like the reg is a typical Belleville washer rig. Turning the brass disk counter-clockwise ( while looking straight on at it) should increase the regulator pressure. Wish I could buy the test rig the factory uses. Would love to set mine at 150bar or so.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 01, 2018, 03:22:50 PM
Anyone been able to get the trigger under 3 lbs?  I've just about removed the trigger weight screw and it won't go below 3.12 lbs.  I like a light trigger for target shooting.  My BullBoss trigger is at 1.5 lbs and I consider that on the heavy side.  My Marauders have a trigger pull weight of only .13 lbs!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on December 01, 2018, 03:32:49 PM
Anyone been able to get the trigger under 3 lbs?  I've just about removed the trigger weight screw and it won't go below 3.12 lbs.  I like a light trigger for target shooting.  My BullBoss trigger is at 1.5 lbs and I consider that on the heavy side.  My Marauders have a trigger pull weight of only .13 lbs!

Wow!! You must shoot off the bench then huh? I like a light trigger but I go through a lot of brush and I’d be afraid of a drop or fall that it’d fire. I dunno I may try a lighter trigger in the field . I usually stay about 2lbs down to 1 1//2lbs is what I’m comfortable with.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 01, 2018, 03:40:34 PM
Anyone been able to get the trigger under 3 lbs?  I've just about removed the trigger weight screw and it won't go below 3.12 lbs.  I like a light trigger for target shooting.  My BullBoss trigger is at 1.5 lbs and I consider that on the heavy side.  My Marauders have a trigger pull weight of only .13 lbs!

Wow!! You must shoot off the bench then huh? I like a light trigger but I go through a lot of brush and I’d be afraid of a drop or fall that it’d fire. I dunno I may try a lighter trigger in the field . I usually stay about 2lbs down to 1 1//2lbs is what I’m comfortable with.

Yep, the Mrod is definitely a bench gun.  I'd be happy if I could get the Liberty to 1½ to 2 lbs.  Have you been able to adjust yours below 3 lbs?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on December 01, 2018, 03:47:38 PM
Mike- I’m glad I wasn’t going crazy. I thought that was the case at first. I knew it sounded louder after I adjusted the brass disc. Going to be interesting going forward.

Paul- My trigger is around 2-2 1/2lbs right now. I backed off one of the other trigger screws don’t remember if it was c or a then backed out the trigger weight screw about 2 turns and it lightened up a little bit. It also still breaks super clean and safety functions.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 01, 2018, 03:57:15 PM
Mike- I’m glad I wasn’t going crazy. I thought that was the case at first. I knew it sounded louder after I adjusted the brass disc. Going to be interesting going forward.

Paul- My trigger is around 2-2 1/2lbs right now. I backed off one of the other trigger screws don’t remember if it was c or a then backed out the trigger weight screw about 2 turns and it lightened up a little bit. It also still breaks super clean and safety functions.

Thanks, I'll give it a try when the rain lets up a bit.  I just got the 2 Gauntlet magazines I ordered off Amazon so I'll be testing those also.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 01, 2018, 04:02:18 PM
So it held air at 100bar overnight and I tried repumping just now. I can hear the air leaking as I’m pumping and I can feel air that seems to be coming from the burst disc or somewhere near that area. I didn’t get anywhere near 5000psi so I don’t think it’s the disc but idk for sure. I guess if it wasn’t  for bad luck I wouldn’t have no luck at all.

Same thing happened to me. Cock the gun and then pump it. I saw where if the gun pressure is low, the hammer spring can keep the valve slightly open. I heard air coming from the same place you did when I first tried to pump it. My gun arrived empty also a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on December 01, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
I've got mine at 1lb. You'll wind up with a single stage trigger, and the safety will only partially engage, so be forewarned.

Looking down at the rifle, remove the two bolts that hold on the trigger guard. The rear bolt goes thru into the action, the other into the stock only. Once the guard is off, remove the grub screw that is in front of the trigger blade. Replace this with a hardware store grub screw 10-12mm long. Coat it with some sort of thread locker that will let you adjust it in the future.

Next, loosen the screw that goes thru the trigger blade itself untill it is about 1/8" or so above the top of it's drilled hole.

Lastly, tighten the screw to the rear of the trigger blade all the way in.

Now on to adjustment:

Replace the longer grub screw at the front of the trigger blade. With the rifle de-cocked, run that screw in till you feel it make contact with the sear.

Now cock the rifle and hold the lever to the rear. Run that grub screw in until the sear realease and the cocking lever tries to move forward. Now start backing that grub screw off about a 1/8th to a 1/4 turn at a time, til the rifle cocks. Hold the lever back and gently pull the trigger. Repeat as needed till the sear just barley engages. Then back the grub screw off an 1/8th of a turn.

This will get you a "quick and dirty" 1lb pull trigger. Oh, do the final adjustments with the stock on. It makes a difference.

You should find that your safety will still partially engage after doing this. The safety lever should move to just about the middle of it's operating range.

Once my new rifle gets here (are you listening USPS?) I'll see if there's a way to do this in a more elegant fashion, but for now, this works really well for me.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 04:43:59 PM
If i understand this right you can put a gauge on the regulator test tube to get the reading of the reg pressure? Then you could cut a hole in the bottom of the stock to see the gauge. That would be great to have the 2 gauges to read. we would just have to find the thread size & then find the proper gauge.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 01, 2018, 04:53:21 PM
I've got mine at 1lb. You'll wind up with a single stage trigger, and the safety will only partially engage, so be forewarned.

Looking down at the rifle, remove the two bolts that hold on the trigger guard. The rear bolt goes thru into the action, the other into the stock only. Once the guard is off, remove the grub screw that is in front of the trigger blade. Replace this with a hardware store grub screw 10-12mm long. Coat it with some sort of thread locker that will let you adjust it in the future.

Next, loosen the screw that goes thru the trigger blade itself untill it is about 1/8" or so above the top of it's drilled hole.

Lastly, tighten the screw to the rear of the trigger blade all the way in.

Now on to adjustment:

Replace the longer grub screw at the front of the trigger blade. With the rifle de-cocked, run that screw in till you feel it make contact with the sear.

Now cock the rifle and hold the lever to the rear. Run that grub screw in until the sear realease and the cocking lever tries to move forward. Now start backing that grub screw off about a 1/8th to a 1/4 turn at a time, til the rifle cocks. Hold the lever back and gently pull the trigger. Repeat as needed till the sear just barley engages. Then back the grub screw off an 1/8th of a turn.

This will get you a "quick and dirty" 1lb pull trigger. Oh, do the final adjustments with the stock on. It makes a difference.

You should find that your safety will still partially engage after doing this. The safety lever should move to just about the middle of it's operating range.

Once my new rifle gets here (are you listening USPS?) I'll see if there's a way to do this in a more elegant fashion, but for now, this works really well for me.

Thanks Mike, I'll give this a try.  Both screws A and C were all the way in (clockwise) and so tight, I had to put a pair of pliers on the allen wrench to get enough leverage to break them free!  So, the only adjustment on those screws was in the counter clockwise direction!

Oh, and the Gauntlet magazines work perfectly!  They snap into place and fit good and snug just like the magazines that came with it.  With the shot count these things get, it's good to have a few spares.  $9.99 each for the .177 mags on Amazon!
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 01, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
Oh, and the Gauntlet magazines work perfectly!  They snap into place and fit good and snug just like the magazines that came with it.

That’s great news! Thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MB on December 01, 2018, 05:32:35 PM
If i understand this right you can put a gauge on the regulator test tube to get the reading of the reg pressure? Then you could cut a hole in the bottom of the stock to see the gauge. That would be great to have the 2 gauges to read. we would just have to find the thread size & then find the proper gauge.

Hi Pat I believe so, the factory confirmed this with me earlier this week , see image and attachment

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Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
Mike- Something to think about down the road! Just put 90 pellets through my .177 & the accuracy is just as good if not better then my .22. It liked all the pellets-AA 8.4gr &10.3.Then i tried the jsb redesigned 13.43 on high power & it was mostly one hole !! I have noticed one thing about both these guns. The block that the air cylinder screws into is loose where it goes into the receiver on both my guns. I'm glad the factory didn't loctite it, but a little vibra-tite wouldn't hurt.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 01, 2018, 07:59:59 PM
I noticed that also. Probably because it's threaded into the block. No way to exactly line up the block with the air tube at the correct position/torque every time. They probably let the O-ring handle that job. But agreed that a little Vibra-tite is probably in order.
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 01, 2018, 09:11:47 PM
Zac- Sorry to hear you have a leaker in a new gun. My first Nova came with 200 bar in it. The .177 i received yesterday arrived empty. Had me wondering! It made a funny squeaking noise as it was filling but has held air overnight. Have you tried to pinpoint the leak? Some soapy water might help. Maybe you will get lucky & just be able to snug something up. I know trying to find a leak is no fun when your pumping.

I actually just checked the bleed screw before I saw This post and it is tight. I’m pretty bummed about it. Everything was looking great last night when I was filling it no leaks and I was surprised at how quite it is. I was looking forward to some target practice today with a new toy but looks like I’ll have to wait a bit.

Also crossing fingers its just snugging up the slotted degass  screw in the forestock.

Edit: Pat mine was squeaking to when I was filling it. I thought maybe it was my pump so I put some silicone oil in the tube and a light coating on the outside of the inner tube but it was still squeaking. I did find that strange as well.

 I received my 2nd Liberty today , in .22 and wood. It had no pressure in it, but as I checked things over I did tighten the slotted pressure release screw and topped it off with no  apparent leaks, it has held for 3 hours., then I had to shoot it. Seems like another keeper, now do I need to buy another scope  :-\
 PS All my Liberty's make that unholy squeal when filling from my tanks, no matter how slow I fill, it is the o ring seal vibrating as air passes by.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 01, 2018, 09:37:07 PM
James=I like them so much i have 2 also. Funny how when filling my .22 it doesn't make that noise? Although the fill probes are the same i tried the .22 probe in the .177 & the squeaking didn't start till i hit 150 bar? I guess as long as the air goes in and stays there were good.
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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 11:57:04 AM
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud.  I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel.  I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.

Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 02, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
Quote
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.

Ray: Do you use one or two of these?
Is there room to add felt around it to quite it even more?

Thanks,

Matt
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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 01:46:57 PM
Hi Matt,

Just one, The barrel actually goes into the first inch of the baffle so it fills the last 5 or 6 inches of the shroud.  The fit is almost snug but not quite.  Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads.  I do not think two layers will fit.  Definitely no room to add felt around it. 
i only received my rifle Friday night and popped this into it yesterday.  I am also only able to fill to a little over 100 bar from an argon tank until my pump gets here, so can't do any real testing but absolutely knocks the sound down noticeably. For $6 + shipping ya cant go wrong with these.  i bought four and have two left.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 02, 2018, 01:56:43 PM
James=I like them so much i have 2 also. Funny how when filling my .22 it doesn't make that noise? Although the fill probes are the same i tried the .22 probe in the .177 & the squeaking didn't start till i hit 150 bar? I guess as long as the air goes in and stays there were good.

My..22 squeaks also, but it doesn’t leak so I’m okay with it.
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Post by: pat585 on December 02, 2018, 02:28:06 PM
Ray= Nice catch, thanks. I just ordered one. A lot cheaper then getting another adaptor! Since i put the moderator on my .22 though it now makes my .177 seem loud. I hate when the shipping cost more then the product but i just got a pellet order so i really didn't need anything else. BTW my .177 loves wadcutters. It's always nice to just see little holes on the target!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 02, 2018, 02:30:48 PM
Hi Matt,

Just one, The barrel actually goes into the first inch of the baffle so it fills the last 5 or 6 inches of the shroud.  The fit is almost snug but not quite.  Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads.  I do not think two layers will fit.  Definitely no room to add felt around it. 
i only received my rifle Friday night and popped this into it yesterday.  I am also only able to fill to a little over 100 bar from an argon tank until my pump gets here, so can't do any real testing but absolutely knocks the sound down noticeably. For $6 + shipping ya cant go wrong with these.  i bought four and have two left.

Ray,

Going to order two. Can't go wrong with the price.
I'm hoping to get it "Marauder Quiet" as I use this as my SAE standard.
From your description I take it you did not remove the shroud and it fits over the barrel.

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The fit is almost snug but not quite.  Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads.  I do not think two layers will fit.  Definitely no room to add felt around it. 

I take it you did not put tape at both ends of the Baffle? Would tape at both ends help to even the fit at both ends of the Baffle?
I'll probably have a better understanding of using the Baffle and tape when it arrives.

Much appreciate your findings and suggestion.

Matt


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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 02, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud.  I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel.  I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.

Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.

I have that baffle already on my Benjamin Trail. Since the end cap screws off of the barrel on the Nova, I’m wondering if you couldn’t use a good epoxy to mate the two pieces together so you’d have a baffle that screws right into the Nova. Just a thought. Plastic weld would be anothe option too.
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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 03:29:16 PM
Ray= Nice catch, thanks. I just ordered one. A lot cheaper then getting another adaptor! Since i put the moderator on my .22 though it now makes my .177 seem loud. I hate when the shipping cost more then the product but i just got a pellet order so i really didn't need anything else. BTW my .177 loves wadcutters. It's always nice to just see little holes on the target!

Thats part of the reason I ordered 4 when I ordered mine, to offset the shipping.
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 02, 2018, 04:01:16 PM
If i understand this right you can put a gauge on the regulator test tube to get the reading of the reg pressure? Then you could cut a hole in the bottom of the stock to see the gauge. That would be great to have the 2 gauges to read. we would just have to find the thread size & then find the proper gauge.

I think I'll just unscrew the cap, drill and tap it for a  1/8 npt guage
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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 04:11:53 PM
Hi Matt,

Just one, The barrel actually goes into the first inch of the baffle so it fills the last 5 or 6 inches of the shroud.  The fit is almost snug but not quite.  Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads.  I do not think two layers will fit.  Definitely no room to add felt around it. 
i only received my rifle Friday night and popped this into it yesterday.  I am also only able to fill to a little over 100 bar from an argon tank until my pump gets here, so can't do any real testing but absolutely knocks the sound down noticeably. For $6 + shipping ya cant go wrong with these.  i bought four and have two left.

Ray,

Going to order two. Can't go wrong with the price.
I'm hoping to get it "Marauder Quiet" as I use this as my SAE standard.
From your description I take it you did not remove the shroud and it fits over the barrel.

Quote
The fit is almost snug but not quite.  Only one layer of tape is needed at the threads.  I do not think two layers will fit.  Definitely no room to add felt around it. 

I take it you did not put tape at both ends of the Baffle? Would tape at both ends help to even the fit at both ends of the Baffle?
I'll probably have a better understanding of using the Baffle and tape when it arrives.

Much appreciate your findings and suggestion.

Matt

I did not remove the shroud just the end cap but as shown below the first ring at the end needs to be opened just a bit to clear the barrel.

The fit is good enough that I do not think anything is necessary at the end that slides into the shroud first but I just put an undersized oring on mine in the groove that is there.  It works but i bet it is not needed.  YMMV.

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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud.  I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel.  I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.

Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.

I have that baffle already on my Benjamin Trail. Since the end cap screws off of the barrel on the Nova, I’m wondering if you couldn’t use a good epoxy to mate the two pieces together so you’d have a baffle that screws right into the Nova. Just a thought. Plastic weld would be anothe option too.

Greg,

The tape allows the baffle to engage the threads inside the end of the shroud and screw right injust like the cap that was screwed in there.

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Post by: pat585 on December 02, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
Ray- Your saying that you eliminate the end cap?
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Post by: pat585 on December 02, 2018, 04:40:02 PM
I think I'll just unscrew the cap, drill and tap it for a  1/8 npt gauge.                   I like how things get easier with more input from everyone.                     
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Post by: superchikn on December 02, 2018, 04:41:22 PM
Ray- Your saying that you eliminate the end cap?

Exactly!!  Unscrew the end cap and put in parts drawer.  drill out the first ring to clear barrel 7/16" drill bit, apply one turn of tape around the end that has the raised lip on it and screw into shroud.  Done.  It there were not six holes in the end of the baffle (for a spanner wrench one would never know what was done.



 
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Post by: pat585 on December 02, 2018, 05:35:57 PM
Looks like it came from the factory that way. NICE!!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 02, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
Very nice and cheap alternative for sure on the baffle. It does look factory.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 02, 2018, 10:23:35 PM
FWIW - This baffle fits right into the shroud.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

I have a few on the shelf so I just wrapped a single layer of electrical tape around it at the end under the lip to engage the internal threads of the shroud.  I also slightly opened up the first ring at the end with threads to slip over the barrel.  I will come up with something better than wrapping with tape but it feels very secure for now.

Quickest and cheapest way I know of to add some more quiet to this already reasonably quiet piece.

I have that baffle already on my Benjamin Trail. Since the end cap screws off of the barrel on the Nova, I’m wondering if you couldn’t use a good epoxy to mate the two pieces together so you’d have a baffle that screws right into the Nova. Just a thought. Plastic weld would be anothe option too.

Greg,

The tape allows the baffle to engage the threads inside the end of the shroud and screw right injust like the cap that was screwed in there.

Gotcha. Think I’ll order a few of those baffles. This rifle is pretty quiet as is, but your method makes it a no brainer since no mods to the rifle are needed.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 02, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
Hi all, My 22 arrived yesterday while I was out, had my neighbor collect it for me so it wouldn't remain on my porch. I didn't get home till 10:00 last night so didn't get to do too much with it yet. First attempt to fill it leaked as the air bleed off bolt had been left unscrewed partially, but this was quickly recognized and tightened to stop the leak. Filled it to 200 bar and it has held air all last night until I got home from work today. Last night I cleaned the goop out of the barrel with a degreaser until the patches were clean, what I didn't notice until it was too late was that the degreaser had taken some of the black coating off the breach. I found it when I flipped the rifle back over in the cradle.  :(   I say this so that others won't make a similar mistake, be careful what you use to clean the barrel. I don't know what they used to coat the aluminum to make it black but the degreaser took it off. For now, I've touched it up with a sharpy so it's not very noticeable. I did get to mount my scope, a UTG 4-16x40 swat that had been on my Marauder before switching it to a new one. I was also able to fire one shot to see what the noise level was like and was amazed at how quiet it is. You know how you visualize the weight and size of the rifle before receiving it, my initial impression was that it is longer and heavier than I'd imagined it. I'm not saying it's heavy, but it feels that way right now as I've been shooting my Marauder with the new aluminum air tube from JSAR for a couple months. If I'd picked it up before customizing my Marauder I would have thought it felt about the same. Work schedule and daylight hours won't let me check velocity before Wednesday, just hope the weather will co-operate so I can chrony the thing and zero my scope and play a little bit. :D
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Post by: pat585 on December 02, 2018, 11:18:49 PM
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?
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Post by: smythsg on December 02, 2018, 11:31:39 PM
I ordered two, may experiment with one in my Condor shroud.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 03, 2018, 12:54:53 AM
Brief change of subject, away from baffles.

Got my synthetic today. First thing I can tell you is that it weighs slightly less than the wood, and the three piece stock is a PITA to take off, the first time. After that, not so bad. The one thing I will tell you is the entire stock is getting a coat of black spray on truck bed liner.

Pics will follow here shortly, but I wanted to point out a few important things. The 900 series regulator is a spring piston design, not Belleville washers. Secondly, the reason that the junction between the regulator/air tube block and action is slightly loose is intentional. That tiny space is where the regulator atmospheric vent lives.

The use of Vibra-tite is a huge no-no. Don't do it.

The regulator block is an interesting design. When you take the barrel and airtube off, then unscrew the regulator block from the main action, chances are that the regulator is going to stay in the main action. You have to remove the regulator from the main  action to correctly reassemble the rifle or you'll blow the O-ring that goes from the front of the reg to the air tube  block. You need to gently unscrew the regulator out of the main action.You'll then see that the action end of the regulator has two opposing slots in it. When you go to reinstall the reg, use a putty knife or something similar to install the air tube end of the reg (with it's O-ring ) into to air tube block. Then screw the entire air tube block into the main receiver untill it's tight. Then back it out only as much as needed to align the air tube block with the action. This gives just enough room for the atmospheric vent to be uncovered. The O-ring on the receiver side of the regulator is really fat and is designed to seal without a tight compression fit.

My apologies if that sounded complicated, but it's not. As soon as you've got the rifle apart, it becomes pretty straight forward.

I unfortunately will not be able to provide chronograph numbers til Christmas. There was a completely honest mistake on my end. We just finished gun deer season here in my neck of the woods. Shortly before the opener, I was trying  to get a number on a 12ga slug about 25yds out. Forgot that I was loaded with double ought buck. Enough said...
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 03, 2018, 01:12:27 AM
Mike have you made any changes to the regulator yet? I have shimmed hammer spring and adjusted the brass adjuster. I thought I was going to be able to get out this weekend for chrony numbers but I was unable due to weather. I was wondering if you were able to get any numbers on your gun yet? Sounds like you pretty much have it figured out in terms of how the gun assembled and functions.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 03, 2018, 01:17:30 AM
Frankie,
Please read my ammend post. It'll answer your questions about chrony numbers  :-\
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Post by: superchikn on December 03, 2018, 08:10:12 AM
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?

Don’t forget, these baffles are available through Crosman too.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 03, 2018, 08:51:11 AM
I was trying  to get a number on a 12ga slug about 25yds out. Forgot that I was loaded with double ought buck. Enough said...

OUCH!!!   :o
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Post by: pat585 on December 03, 2018, 09:53:32 AM
https://youtu.be/PGEjbb5bA0Y                                                                        Mike- Glad you got into the nova's innards. Thank's for the heads up on the vibra-tite. I thought it strange that both guns were loose at that junction! Now we know. I have been thinking of giving my syn a two tone paint job. Robert Lane uses coil springs in his reg's as you can see in the video. That not worthy about the chrony. Been there done that!!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 03, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?

Don’t forget, these baffles are available through Crosman too.

I tried finding them and couldn't.
Even did a search on the part# and it didn't show up.
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Post by: huklbery on December 03, 2018, 10:24:44 AM
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

It still appears redily
I would like to see the expression on the face of the guy at pyramyd air tomorrow who looks at the computer & sees the orders for about 15 crosman baffle kits. That should make them wonder?

Don’t forget, these baffles are available through Crosman too.

I tried finding them and couldn't.
Even did a search on the part# and it didn't show up.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-np214-001-trail-baffle?a=7784)

Perhaps the trailing stuff is messing with the address? 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 03, 2018, 10:33:56 AM
Mark,

I was able to find them on Pyramid Air, ordered two, but could not find them on Crosman's site.

Thanks.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 03, 2018, 10:49:22 AM
Mark,

I was able to find them on Pyramid Air, ordered two, but could not find them on Crosman's site.

Thanks.

Download the Part Diagram from Crosman's website and call the parts department with the part number (Trail Baffle: NP214-001).  They should be able to help you out.

Link to Parts Diagram:  https://support.crosman.com/hc/article_attachments/115003954326/BTN217SX_BTN292SX_BTN217WX_BTN292WX_BTN292CX.PDF
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Post by: superchikn on December 03, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
Just looked again, coming today.  I don't even have a pump yet.

Well now my pump is here too.  At work...  Just another five hours.  UGGGH. 

As I mentioned elsewhere so far I am filling from an Argon tank to 140 bar at most since I had no pump all weekend.  the gauge just registers in the green.  Should I expect to see groups that low or not?  I have cleaned the barrel but what I have shot so far are not looking to good so far.

I'm hoping my pressure is just too low!  Any thoughts?
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Post by: TheSaint on December 03, 2018, 02:43:08 PM
Ray,
You are right at the set point for your reg at 140. So 1 or 2 shots and you're off reg. You really need to get 2500psi or more into the tube to start getting repeatable results.

My advice is to spend the extra $200 or so and get a no-name eBay compressor. I've beaten the snot out of mine for five months without issue. Just remember to change the oil when it starts to get dark. I use 0w-20 synthetic in mine with no issues. Starts in my garage when it's below freezing.
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Post by: superchikn on December 03, 2018, 02:49:40 PM
Thanks Mike,

First PCP here and I was a little worried.  Lots to learn.

I will get the compressor but need to let this purchase blow over first. :-\.

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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 03, 2018, 02:52:27 PM
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Download the Part Diagram from Crosman's website and call the parts department with the part number (Trail Baffle: NP214-001).  They should be able to help you out.

Many thanks!
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 03, 2018, 02:58:36 PM
Thanks Mike,

First PCP here and I was a little worried.  Lots to learn.

I will get the compressor but need to let this purchase blow over first. :-\.

My first PCP also. Learning right along there with you. Just got a scope mounted on mine today.
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Post by: superchikn on December 03, 2018, 03:10:14 PM
Great then you can ask the next stupid question.  ;D ;D ;D

I had a 3-9 x 40 Chinese scope I hung on mine.  It will do for a short while but not real long.   This all happened faster than I planned.  I knew I was getting a PCP this winter but had not decided on anything yet. 

What scope did you put on yours?
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Post by: pat585 on December 03, 2018, 03:32:05 PM
Just wondering as i was putting the gun box away why this company doesn't advertise some of their best features? I've looked at different web sites & even the box & manual. Nowhere do they mention the 300 bar cylinder or the regulator? You would think the company would want to brag about those features! Also they tell you not to fire the gun with the hi/low switch in the middle? I have hi/low switches on a couple of my other guns & i often wondered what happens. Do you blow out o'rings or does the pellet just get stuck in the barrel? Just curious.
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Post by: huklbery on December 03, 2018, 03:43:53 PM
Just wondering as i was putting the gun box away why this company doesn't advertise some of their best features? I've looked at different web sites & even the box & manual. Nowhere do they mention the 300 bar cylinder or the regulator? You would think the company would want to brag about those features! Also they tell you not to fire the gun with the hi/low switch in the middle? I have hi/low switches on a couple of my other guns & i often wondered what happens. Do you blow out o'rings or does the pellet just get stuck in the barrel? Just curious.

Honestly I suspect American Tactical as a firearm firm did not realize just what the Nova's represent in the price point feature set arena.  To the non airgun crowd the pump replenishing model would seem to be something and what they focused on.  Little did they know this feature set at this price point is as significant as the Marauder was in its day.  When I spoke with Jennifer its clear its a surprise to them and why.   
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 03, 2018, 03:59:39 PM
Quote
Honestly I suspect American Tactical as a firearm firm did not realize just what the Nova's represent in the price point feature set arena.  To the non airgun crowd the pump replenishing model would seem to be something and what they focused on.  Little did they know this feature set at this price point is as significant as the Marauder was in its day.  When I spoke with Jennifer its clear its a surprise to them and why.

It's unfortunate Crosman could not have done this with the Fortitude given they set the standard with the Marauder.
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Post by: pat585 on December 03, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
I hope the new owners at crosman read this forum & take notice! If you don't keep up with the pack you get left behind. I live where Kodak is located. They thought digital cameras were just a phase & by time they got into the game it was too late. I like my marauder & prod but at least make these models with sidelevers.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 03, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
I hope the new owners at crosman read this forum & take notice! If you don't keep up with the pack you get left behind. I live where Kodak is located. They thought digital cameras were just a phase & by time they got into the game it was too late. I like my marauder & prod but at least make these models with sidelevers.

If the quality and customer service make it hand and hand with the ATI NOVA Freedom and Liberty it will send shock-waves to the PCP manufactures.
I for one would like them to succeed not just because I own the Liberty but it does force others to lead or follow the new benchmark.   
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Post by: pat585 on December 03, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
Agree 100% Matt= Growing up i had a choice between  3 vehicles. Chevy, Ford or Dodge. They all had their own quality control issues but that all you had to chose from. When all the foreign imports started flooding our shores it forced the big three to up their game, and they have. I'm hoping the same happens in the airgun industry.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 03, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
I had a few minutes before work today to shoot the liberty for the first time, the sun was shining and there was no breeze to affect the shots or push the groups, it was almost too good to be true. I did a rough zero at 20 yards to get things on track and then a final zero at 35 yards as that was the distance I had my target board at the last time I shot my Marauder. I had one un-used shoot-n-see dot left on the board from my last session, but that was all I needed. Got my zero set on a previously used target and then tried my hand on the un-used dot. All I can say is wow, just wow, man is this thing accurate! I had loaded the mag up with JSB 18.1's as the first pellet I wanted to try, and at the end of the first mag I had a hole that was maybe 1/4" center to center on that 1/2" dot. The only thing that was disappointing was the trigger pull, and I worked on fixing that tonight. I don't own a trigger pull gauge but I know what I like and I'm happy with the weight and how brakes now, and my safety works as it should. As good as the trigger is on my Marauder I honestly wish it broke as cleanly as this one does. As noted above, if the customer service and parts support are good through these two companies they have really raised the bar for their competitors. 8)
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Post by: huklbery on December 03, 2018, 08:21:17 PM
I hope the new owners at crosman read this forum & take notice! If you don't keep up with the pack you get left behind. I live where Kodak is located. They thought digital cameras were just a phase & by time they got into the game it was too late. I like my marauder & prod but at least make these models with sidelevers.

While Crosman makes many great products for the enthusiasts I would guess the vast majority of profit is garnerd through big box sales on products untouched by US employee's, just straight from China plant into a english labled box to the Walmart.  How many of the inovators are still there from the Discovery/Marauder/1701P/Challenger and how much sway they have.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 03, 2018, 09:08:00 PM
I got a chance to shoot a little today and tried some more pellets.  I was pleasantly shocked at how well the Benjamin Hollow Points shot out of it at high power.  It was shooting ¼" groups at 35 yards!  I'm thrilled because these pellets come 750 to a tin and are typically less than $10 a tin.  Cheap and accurate, just what I like in a pellet!
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 03, 2018, 09:21:08 PM
 I do not have or have shot an FX gun , but It might be a better head to head comparison than the Marauder, and I thought my Marauder was a pretty sweet air rifle in its price range  :o
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Post by: Pursang on December 03, 2018, 09:22:59 PM
How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.
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Post by: pat585 on December 03, 2018, 09:36:27 PM
We better stop talking up these guns or their going to raise the price. Ha Ha
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 03, 2018, 09:48:11 PM
How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.

Mine is a .177, but I can easily get 60 shots from 4000 psi to 3000 psi on high power.
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Post by: superchikn on December 03, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
We better stop talking up these guns or their going to raise the price. Ha Ha

I have been thinking exactly the same thing.
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 04, 2018, 01:07:54 AM
How many shots from a .22 with a 300bar fill on high? I read the whole thread and didn't see this info.


With a 4k fill and a .100 hammer spring washer I shot over fourty for sure, maybe over fifty. I chronoed different pellets without keeping specific count.
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 04, 2018, 02:26:33 AM
My thoughts after a week, .22 synthetic.
Nicely double boxed, not even a crease, Fed Ex
Bads
Initial visual....cheesy plastic stock with equally bad  name spray painted on. Some durable flat paint will fix that.
A lot of plastic. Shroud  end and center sleeve plastic. End shroud sleeve next to receiver poorly anchored. You wouldn't want much repetitive load on the shroud.
Barrel and airtube diverge. The barrel bends up when the sleeve is removed. This required a lot of adjustment on the scope.
Good
Fairly light, fits me perfect.  Very accurate, deflected barrel and all. Ten shots at 30 yards easily covered with a dime(JSB). CPHP slightly larger.
Decent power with .100 hammer spring shim. JSB 15.4 @ 950. 18.13 @ 905
over 40 shots, maybe over fifty from 4k to drop off.
I spun up some precise fitting shroud locating parts (3 grubs) and ported air stripper. Two very soft springs and spacers in the moderator make it incredibly quiet
I haven't found a need, but you could now preload the barrell all you would like.
Next I'll make a barrel/airtube bracket that allows the barrel to align properly, correcting the .070 misalignment.
.147 transfer port in barrel makes me think that enlarging ports and valve work could yield more power and increase shot count by lowering regulator  pressure.
Final verdict....I usually get two if I REALLY like it. Next order going in.
Can't wait for a .25, or two!








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Post by: Airgunner1 on December 04, 2018, 07:08:49 AM
Good  morning
Does this rifle has a hammer adjustment like the hatsan
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Post by: pat585 on December 04, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
Billy= Great write up. I couldn't figure out why after removing my shroud i then had to shim my scope? I don't like the use of plastic either  but i guess it's a necessary evil in today's manufacturing to keep cost down. I also had clipping after i put on a moderator & had to open up the holes. Your fix is the way to go.
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Post by: pat585 on December 04, 2018, 09:42:41 AM
Marcelo= Not like the hatsan. You have to drift out a pin & shim it to apply more pressure on HS. You could probably fabricate something if your good with machining.
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Post by: Airgunner1 on December 04, 2018, 02:06:55 PM
Pat= thank you very much I’m not very good @ all lol. Do you know the FPS in high power using  14.3  crosmam?
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Post by: pat585 on December 04, 2018, 02:41:00 PM
Marcelo= I just shot 14 different pellets, 5 shot groups at 20 yds indoors.The crosman 14.3 was 878 fps on high with my stock rifle. I was shooting for groups. Out of the 14 different pellets on low power the top 5 were-Crosman 14.3,JSB 18,AA 16,Polymag 16,Kodiak 21.12& Vortex 14.66. These 5 pellet groups were all one hole groups. The crosman were the domed pellets. The hollowpoints also shot good but not one hole. Later i will repeat the test on high power. I really can't ask for better accuracy from a gun at this price!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 04, 2018, 03:44:28 PM
Pat,

Many thanks for doing all this leg work shooting a variety of pellets.
I thought mine would like the JSB 18.3 but so far it's like the H&N Terminators 16.
I have about 6 more pellets to try out before the gun picks it's favorite.

One thing I did notice I cleaned it again,100 +- pellets, after the initial clean and it went from liking JSB 18.3 to H&N Terminators 16.
Accuracy improved after 2nd cleaning.
Regulator is settling down, lever is smother.

So far though my Marauder is still more accurate but I'm more use to it and it's got more shots through it.
The Benjamin Discovery and Chief have taken a back seat to the Liberty at this point.
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Post by: pat585 on December 04, 2018, 04:26:14 PM
Matt= Yea the big problem with these rifles is their making my other guns jealous!! I'm not a hunter but i have some 16 gr poly mags on hand that were 5 shots in the same hole. What surprised me was the crosmans & vortex that were equally accurate. My triggers are at 1 lb 6 0z. but no safety.As you know  everyone is going to have to find their own best pellet for their gun but i'm finding a lot of choices in mine. Now when i try these pellets on high power it might be different story. Then i can start all over again with the .177. The fun never ends!!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 04, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
Pat, Didn't know you were shooting on low power. I haven't tried low power yet so thinking choice of pellet might change?
The Poly mags is one I'm going to try also. But I think they might be more expensive thank the H&N Terminators. Still be interesting to
see how many varieties of pellets it might like.
I would like to be able to shoot the JSB Monsters in 25 but at high 680's seems a bit low. Do you know how to adjust the Hammer Spring?
Something about removing a plastic square cap on back of gun? It's too bad it's not as simple as the NOVA Freedom.
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Post by: pat585 on December 04, 2018, 06:01:01 PM
Matt= I know Frankie & a couple of other guys already did it. The gun is fine for me the way it is. Just drift out the rear most pin in the receiver & the HS cover will be released. Then you can shim with washers & check with your chrony.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 04, 2018, 07:32:06 PM
Here are a few more observations I've made as I've tinkered with the rifle, the first is the weight. I was attracted to this rifle for several reasons one of which was the 3-kilogram weight, that's 6.49 lbs as I understand it. My home scale won't register with just the rifles weight so I weighed myself with and without the rifle and then subtracted the weight of the scope, that put the rifle at 8.2 lbs, that's not a few ounce discrepancy. I've had the stock off the action and for a wood stock, it's not very heavy so the extra mass has to be from the action itself. I also don't care for the location of the safety, I didn't think it would bother me but I guess I'm so used to the ease of my Marauder's safety being right in front of the trigger that it makes this new one seem cumbersome. I did get a chance this morning to put a few shots down range, after filling the rifle to 4000 psi for some reason which I can't explain the rifle scattered the first four shots, then settled in and began stacking the next 16 through one hole I could have covered with a dime at 35 yards. There was just enough light when I got home tonight to try a mag each of H&N Barracuda match 21.14's and a mag of CPD's, the Barracudas grouped pretty well but the CPD's opened up with only about three shots in ten hitting almost on top each other. It's just odd how several will group together then the rest spray around the others. Am off work tomorrow and supposed to get sunshine so will be breaking out the chrony to crunch some numbers and test a few other pellets I have on hand. After watching youtube videos on this rifle I wish I had some JSB 15.89's to try or the AA 16 grain. I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 04, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
Tom:
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I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.

This is exactly what I'd like to do to mine, shim the hammer so I can get approximately 30 FPE from it.
I understand that there is a pin that needs to be drifted out but I'm not able to locate it. Maybe the stock needs to be removed to get at the pin?

Looking forward to your next post!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 04, 2018, 09:25:49 PM
Matt-you will have to remove your stock to get to it.  Pretty easy to get to after that! 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 04, 2018, 10:42:27 PM
Many thanks Frankie.
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 05, 2018, 01:38:10 AM
Here are a few more observations I've made as I've tinkered with the rifle, the first is the weight. I was attracted to this rifle for several reasons one of which was the 3-kilogram weight, that's 6.49 lbs as I understand it. My home scale won't register with just the rifles weight so I weighed myself with and without the rifle and then subtracted the weight of the scope, that put the rifle at 8.2 lbs, that's not a few ounce discrepancy. I've had the stock off the action and for a wood stock, it's not very heavy so the extra mass has to be from the action itself. I also don't care for the location of the safety, I didn't think it would bother me but I guess I'm so used to the ease of my Marauder's safety being right in front of the trigger that it makes this new one seem cumbersome. I did get a chance this morning to put a few shots down range, after filling the rifle to 4000 psi for some reason which I can't explain the rifle scattered the first four shots, then settled in and began stacking the next 16 through one hole I could have covered with a dime at 35 yards. There was just enough light when I got home tonight to try a mag each of H&N Barracuda match 21.14's and a mag of CPD's, the Barracudas grouped pretty well but the CPD's opened up with only about three shots in ten hitting almost on top each other. It's just odd how several will group together then the rest spray around the others. Am off work tomorrow and supposed to get sunshine so will be breaking out the chrony to crunch some numbers and test a few other pellets I have on hand. After watching youtube videos on this rifle I wish I had some JSB 15.89's to try or the AA 16 grain. I will have to make a decision after the chrony test if I want to shim the hammer spring or just leave things alone, looking for at least 30 FPE but more would be fine too.
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]I went back over my notes. With a .100 hammer spring shim, a 4k start, JSB 14.35 averaged 986, right at 31 ft lbs.
JSB 15.89 averaged 946 for 31.6 ft lbs
JSB 18.13 averaged  909 for 33.3

As a side note, with a .040 shim the velocities were 950, 915 and 868 respectively.
Going to try a .150 shim but it might already be bottoming out the valve stem.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 05, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
Billy: Many thanks!
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Post by: TheSaint on December 05, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
Once you've had the reg off/out, you'll realize it's almost impossible to bottom out the poppet valve. Eventually you just shim to the point that the sear will no longer engage with the hammer.

Interestingly, I do think that with the hammer shimmed to the max, and the reg set close to 200bar, this rifle might just throw 14.3's hypersonic...
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 05, 2018, 09:38:31 AM
Once you've had the reg off/out, you'll realize it's almost impossible to bottom out the poppet valve. Eventually you just shim to the point that the sear will no longer engage with the hammer.

Interestingly, I do think that with the hammer shimmed to the max, and the reg set close to 200bar, this rifle might just throw 14.3's hypersonic...

Yeah even after I doubled the pre-load on the hammer it still cocks pretty nicely. I’m going in for a half day today at work and I’m going to try and get some chrony results later this afternoon hopefully.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 05, 2018, 10:15:53 AM
Well the weather man really blew it on the report for the Nashville area today, was supposed to have sunshine but instead, I've got overcast skies and snow falling. Might make chrony testing outdoors a little tough later, but at least I can still shoot from my family room window. Bet they didn't see this coming. :o
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 05, 2018, 11:15:32 AM
Once you've had the reg off/out, you'll realize it's almost impossible to bottom out the poppet valve. Eventually you just shim to the point that the sear will no longer engage with the hammer.

Interestingly, I do think that with the hammer shimmed to the max, and the reg set close to 200bar, this rifle might just throw 14.3's hypersonic...
I did not know that as I have not gotten that far in yet, thanks. Looks like more shims today!
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 05, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
Hoooraaaaay the sun came out and the snow stopped, will wait for things to warm up a bit before venturing out with the chrony. I did take some time to shoot a few groups this morning already and have a new observation concerning the mags. As so many others were getting decent groups with the CPD's I decided to try an experiment. I've noticed that the spring tension in the factory mags is stronger than it is on my Marauder mags so I loaded the CPD's in one of each and checked group sizes, the pellets shot better when loaded from my Marauder mag, much better. I'm going to try the same test with some other brands and see if the same thing occurs, if it does I will open the factory mags and see if I can reposition the spring so it has less tension when fully wound. I may try the single shot tray and see if the groups shrink also. The weather isn't ideal today, although the sun did finally come out the wind has also come up and will make the groups open up a bit. I'm still shooting at a lasered 35 yards and if this were a spring or gas ram gun I would be happy with any of the groups, the barrels on these really aren't pellet pickey as already noted. Just looking for the magic pellet like we all do.
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Post by: superchikn on December 05, 2018, 01:39:06 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why these guns are so quiet? My outlaw has basically  the same set up but it was so much louder that i had to get a moderator on it quick or wear ear plugs. The liberty has a solid collar with 2 o- rings about 4 in. from the muzzle that centers the shroud. I wonder if moving the position of that collar would affect the sound? When i get my end cap back it might be worth a try.

Pat have you tried this yet?

I do not know a lot about the workings of shrouds but it seems there should be some holes in that collar to use the entire space of the shroud.

Any opinions on this theory?  Drill holes?!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 05, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
Tom: Your findings are are very similar to mine. I’m a bit confused with mags and single shot tray so still trying to figure things out.
My Marauder mags were fitting looser than the Liberty but figured it was because they had more usage. I did put a little silicone grease on the Liberty mags which made them fit easier.
Not getting any jams using various pellets on Liberty mags or Marauder mags. But still have more pellets to test.
Single shots using the H&N Terminators are in single hole at 20 and 30 yards.
Can’t be happier.
Outside noise is better than expected. Think as good if not better than Marauder.
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Post by: pat585 on December 05, 2018, 02:44:53 PM
Ray= I haven't tried it yet because i sent the end cap out so i could get an adaptor made. When the adaptor came back i just put a donny tanto on & it's super quite now. As for my .177 i should be getting my crosman baffles today & will see how that works. It would be a good experiment to try drilling holes in that bushing. I don't see how it could hurt! I was also thinking of moving it further down the barrel to get more shroud space?
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Post by: pat585 on December 05, 2018, 02:52:42 PM
Tom= I have been doing some shooting with all my rifles in the basement. The only guns of mine that shoot one hole groups are my nova, wildcat & my prod. But the prod has a huma reg & a MM barrel in it. I just target shoot so i use the single shot tray in my nova. This one hole accuracy in the nova just blows me away!!
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 05, 2018, 04:17:18 PM
Just came in from outdoors, finished chrony testing for today, fingers still warming back up. Only tested three pellets weights to get a cross section of FPE and speed. CPD's were giving me about 25.5 FPE, JSB 18.13's were just hitting 28FPE and H&N Barracuda Match 21.14 were giving me 31.8-32.2 FPE. Still need to order some JSB 15.89 to try as suspect from youtube they may shoot best. I'm not unhappy with the groups on the JSB's or H&N's, but the CPD's even when shot with the single shot tray just threw to many fliers. What's odd is the FPS was the most consistent on CPD's but not group size. H&N sniper magnums were better than the CPD's and the polymag shorts were awful, only shot about three pellets and they scattered like a shotgun at 35 yards. Now the question is do I want to shim the hammer spring to bring the JSB's above 30 FPE or just wait to get some 15.89's before digging into the rifle. The 21 gr Barracuda group nearly as well as the JSB's at this point and hit the target in nearly the same place, no scope change required, may just leave it alone for now and let the regulator continue to settle in. You others with 22's, what has been your most accurate pellets so far, 20 yard groups don't count.
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Post by: Airgunner1 on December 05, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
Hi  there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 05, 2018, 05:45:10 PM
Tom- As pics earlier in the thread show at 50 yds 18.13. Mine actually shot 18.21 H&N Baracuda hunter hp really well out to 30 yds as well. After that they opened up. I’m going to try the redesigned heavies at some point after I get the power to where I’d like it to be.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 05, 2018, 05:53:27 PM
Hi  there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?

There iare pics earlier in the thread. I removed mine and shimmed with additional washers. I degassed completely dry fired twice to make sure there was no air remaining. I then removed the stock and knocked out the pin that holds the spring in place. Hammer spring popped out and I added 2 washers with lithium grease and reassembled. It’s that easy. Takes less than 5min.
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Post by: pat585 on December 05, 2018, 06:18:09 PM
Tom= I know 20 yds isn't much. I used to shoot my benchrest rifle at 300 yds. My reasoning is if my gun  can put 5 shots in one hole at 20 yds how bad could   the group open at say 40 yds? A lot of my pcp's shoot nice round groups at 20 yds but only a couple put them in the same hole! 
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Post by: TheSaint on December 05, 2018, 07:42:28 PM
Tom,
Odd. Both my .22 barrels love the CPUM's. If I'm doing my part, less (sometimes a heck of a lot less, depending on the wind and how badly the arthritis is acting up) than a dime at 30 to 45yds.Lasered. Same for the JSB 15somethings. Not-so-much for anything else. Not bad mind you, but not "WHAT?!!! Did they all really just go in the same hole?!!!" good. This is with the hammer spring shimmed at 3.58mm.

I shoot standing/leaning in the bed of my old crew cab F-250, off of a bipod and rear bag on the roof, at the whitewashed side of one of my old Steer pens. I fire a shot, then zero to that same point of impact. No-name (cheap and Chinese) Amazon 6-24X40 ao scope.

How clean is your barrel? I ask because I simply could not get a patch to come out clean on either of my barrels. Even with the barrels removed and using a bronze brush and #9 bore cleaner. I actually wound up using the above, plus a nylon bore brush and chlorinated Brake-Kleen to finally get the job done. Oh, and I should mention that I had the cleaning rod with the nylon bore brush chucked up in a cordless drill.

One thing I have noticed is that the bores on these rifles are tight. And the lands and grooves are really shallow. Almost like they were etched, rather than cut.


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Post by: tracker1955 on December 05, 2018, 09:43:47 PM
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I used an industrial degreaser to clean the shipping sludge from my barrel, didn't take very many patches before they came out clean, then ran some dry patches through to finish. As much filth that came out for some of you it was as if this barrel got missed with the heavy dose of protectant from the factory. I do need to devise an easy way of feeding my pull through down the barrel since there are no baffles to guide the straw in on like on my Marauder. I have an idea for it, just have to get the materials from work to put it together.
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Post by: cosmic on December 06, 2018, 12:13:40 AM
I used frog lube degreaser and a kite tail.. A couple of runs and clean...
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Post by: Airgunner1 on December 06, 2018, 07:03:41 AM
Hi  there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?
Thanks Frankie I’m gonna take a look!!
There iare pics earlier in the thread. I removed mine and shimmed with additional washers. I degassed completely dry fired twice to make sure there was no air remaining. I then removed the stock and knocked out the pin that holds the spring in place. Hammer spring popped out and I added 2 washers with lithium grease and reassembled. It’s that easy. Takes less than 5min.
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Post by: cosmic on December 06, 2018, 01:19:59 PM
I hope someone does a video of a complete tear down.. Mostly the regulator and trigger..
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 06, 2018, 01:41:03 PM
Hi  there airheads!,, anybody willing to make video showing how to shimmering the hammer?
Thanks Frankie I’m gonna take a look!!
There iare pics earlier in the thread. I removed mine and shimmed with additional washers. I degassed completely dry fired twice to make sure there was no air remaining. I then removed the stock and knocked out the pin that holds the spring in place. Hammer spring popped out and I added 2 washers with lithium grease and reassembled. It’s that easy. Takes less than 5min.
you do not have to degas the gun to shim the hammer spring. my hammer spring has so little preload that I had to pull cocking lever partway open to pop out the spring block.
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Post by: superchikn on December 06, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
I was going to ask if degassing was necessary to work on hammer spring.  You answered my question.

I had the stock off last night and the trigger opened up to see what is going on in there and was wondering if I could pop out the HS.  I really want to see what I can do to make the HS externally adjustable.  I have some ideas from what I saw in the earlier photo.

My trigger is quite heavy with a single stage and screws came turned all the way in.  I will pick up some metric set screws tonight and also open the trigger pack up a little deeper.  Definitely need some side shims on the trigger blade. 

Put 25 or so through it last night when I got home.  cold and dark but it looks like when I lighten up the trigger it should group well.  Trigger is too stiff right now.
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Post by: cosmic on December 06, 2018, 01:59:57 PM
Picture of the trigger group please..
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Post by: superchikn on December 06, 2018, 02:57:13 PM
Sorry,  didn't take any, didn't go in that deep yet.  Got the blade out and replaced that spring. Did not do much.  Pulled out the next piece (a sear of some sort I guess) and its spring and went no further due to time.  So far easier to get to than some others I have been in.
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Post by: Killfire on December 06, 2018, 03:11:01 PM
I was going to ask if degassing was necessary to work on hammer spring.  You answered my question.

I had the stock off last night and the trigger opened up to see what is going on in there and was wondering if I could pop out the HS.  I really want to see what I can do to make the HS externally adjustable.  I have some ideas from what I saw in the earlier photo.

My trigger is quite heavy with a single stage and screws came turned all the way in.  I will pick up some metric set screws tonight and also open the trigger pack up a little deeper.  Definitely need some side shims on the trigger blade. 

Put 25 or so through it last night when I got home.  cold and dark but it looks like when I lighten up the trigger it should group well.  Trigger is too stiff right now.

If someone gives me the measurements of the plug and spring I can attempt to make an adjustable plug in the back. Just for S&G.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 06, 2018, 04:09:44 PM
Have those of you that have taken your stock off notice that it changes the POI and you have to re-sight in your scope?
When I took my stock off to add some washer,2, on the hammer spring this is what I noticed. It was enough that I though I would have to shim my scope because I ran out of the vertical adjustment on my scope. But instead I loosened the front screw next to the degas enough to avoid shimming the scope. That means that every time remove my stock I'll have to tinker around with scope adjustment. That's hokey.
Not too keen on this idea on how the stock is secured to gun.
I also notice that one of the screws,wood screw, that holds the trigger guard no longer holds. The hole in the stock was made too large or it was put in too tight and stripped the wood.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 06, 2018, 04:20:28 PM
Matt- Good observation but I haven’t noticed that so far. My stock has been off about 5 or 6 times. Only time my poi changed was upon the shimming the hammer spring. That being said my scope needed the elevation adjustment from the very beginning.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 06, 2018, 04:32:25 PM
Frankie: I'm going to have to do some kind of mod that prevents this from happening on mine.
Another strange thing that happened was that it was even effecting the trigger and safety. I could not pull the lever back to load a pellet until I had it on safe!
Something just ain't right here.
That problem went away after I loosen that front most screw to take the stock off. Something is really wacky here. So I gave up and will look at it another day when I'm having a better day.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 06, 2018, 09:50:50 PM
Hello Everyone, I received my NOVA VISTA LIBERTY in .22 on Yesterday. I got the Synthetic version. Anyway, I took this gun apart to see if I could generate more power as I always like to do. I could not figure out how to get the regulator out of the receiver. It appears to me that the reg is quite different on this gun. It's in the receiver not the tube. Making adjustments is done by turning the brass wheel on an aluminum block between the air tube and receiver. I could not figure out how to free the regulator from the receiver block. so I turned the brass wheel a half turn counterclockwise wise and added two .05 washers to shim the hammer spring. Here is what I got shooting various pellets over the chrony.

18.13 JSB .22 1018, 1023 & 1028 fps / 21.14 H&N Barracuda .22 943, 935 & 941 fps / 25.39 JSB Jumbo Monster .22 867, 872 & 875 fps / 28.5 Eunjin .22 808, 810 & 811 fps

That's around 42 FPE on average.

I didn't even drill out the barrel port or transfer & valve ports. No need with two simple adjustments this gun is shooting very hard. It also appears to be using a bit too much air the way I have it set now. I will try to figure out if I can keep the power the same while using a little less air.

Thank you all for the great information. I will eventually post a complete video once I figure out how to make it the best it can be.
I love this gun.   
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Post by: pat585 on December 06, 2018, 10:26:20 PM
Stephen= Wow those are some sizzling numbers! Wondering what your groups were like at that speed? I think there is a lot of potential in these guns. I saw your videos on your kral jumbo. Great work on that rifle! The finish you put on your stock makes me want one. PA had a sale on the krals, but not that model? I'm sure we will all be waiting for your video on the nova.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 06, 2018, 10:27:14 PM
Stephen: Very impressive!
Looking forward to your finding and video.
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Post by: skorec on December 06, 2018, 11:02:36 PM
Stephan, Thanks for  info.

I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at  50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging  of transfer ports  can help too .
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 06, 2018, 11:30:45 PM
Stephen- Definitely on too something I suspected that my gun is shooting close or higher than the velocity’s you have stated. I have just been unable to get chrony reading bc of weather and work. My goal is around the velocity you have your gun  now. I’d like to shoot the jsb 25gr around 920-940. I believe that to be the sweet spot for those pellets. If I can’t get there I’ll adjust to shoot 18.13’s at about 960. I’ve seen great results at that speed out of another gun. Will have to see the velocity this barrel likes.
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Post by: smythsg on December 07, 2018, 12:31:18 AM
Very encouraging Stephen, this can be a great lite weight hunting rifle duplicating your results. I have been traveling constantly the last two weeks so have not had a chance to shoot my .22 very much, and it is supposed to rain three inches over the coming weekend... :-\  My baffles should arrive tomorrow so at least I can work with them over the rainy weekend.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 07, 2018, 10:16:18 AM
Those who have taken their stocks off how snug/tight are you putting the screws back on?
I noticed on mine they were just on the low end of being snug. After I reassembled I tightened on the low end of tight and this is when I notice my scope had to be sighted back in. POI was off by quite a bit to the point I though I had to shim the back of the scope. Plus the cocking lever would not cock to load a pellet until I put it on safe. Now that was VERY ODD!
I did go back and put the screws as close to what they were originally and now it's back to "normal" so to speak.
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Post by: cosmic on December 07, 2018, 11:24:40 AM
Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..
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Post by: pat585 on December 07, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Ray= That's probably the culprit. I pillar bedded all my PB rifles but i didn't think it was necessary with my pcp's. This rifle might be the exception!
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 07, 2018, 11:58:03 AM
Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..
On my gun, the barrel/airtube diverge by over .070. I'm almost done making almost press fit shroud bushings to locate the sleeve. The barrel is true to the receiver so I'm making a bracket for the airtube that will align the barrel/airtube without bending the barrel. It must be common, I see several people noting extreme elevation correction.
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Post by: pat585 on December 07, 2018, 01:41:06 PM
No matter how much R&D any company does it always fall into the hands of the consumer to find the bugs! Companies want to recoup their investment as soon as possible. The only way they know of a problem is customer complaints. So if there are enough of us with this problem we should inform ATI.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 07, 2018, 05:01:19 PM
I just got back from the range with the Nova Liberty. In short this gun loves H&N barracuda match 5.53 head at 50 and 75 yards. .7 inch 5 shot at 50 years and a little more at 75 yards. but it was very windy. 13 mph winds 16 gusts according to weather.com this gun also loves the Neilsen seciality ammo 23 grain and 28 grain boat tail at 75 yards? The groups could have been much better if not for the wind and cold.

The Nova Liberty did well with the JSB Jumbo Monster 25.39grains at 50 yards but I shot 2 10 shot groups at 75 yards and the groups opened up way too much. Not sure what happened. Maybe wind maybe my gun is not shooting them fast enough.

But overall this gun rocks! Feels great to shoot.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 07, 2018, 05:23:22 PM
Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I’m glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I’m asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 07, 2018, 05:27:46 PM
Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I’m glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I’m asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.

Frankie, yes the barracuda 5.53 were very tight and the 5.52 also felt tight but I can't say for sure if I felt the difference between the two. The 18grain JSB Heavies didn't shoot so we'll. I think they are going too fast at 980-1010 fps.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 07, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
Stephan, Thanks for  info.

I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at  50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging  of transfer ports  can help too .

 Peter, I'm sorry to say that I did not have a good time with the JSB Monster REDESIGNED. at 50 yards it was ok but at 75 yards all *(&^ broke loose. The group opened up too much to talk about. I have it on video. I will post the video ASAP. I just have to tear down the gun and edit the video so you can see for your self
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 07, 2018, 05:36:10 PM
Stephen- It sounds like your gun is shooting pretty well out of the box. My gun had similar results to yours my first outing. I’m glad it likes the Nielsen specialty ammo. Do the barracuda fit tight in the bore? The reason I’m asking is the baracuda hunters I had were really tight in the bore. The gun loves them and would stack pellets at 30yds with them.

Frankie, yes the barracuda 5.53 were very tight and the 5.52 also felt tight but I can't say for sure if I felt the difference between the two. The 18grain JSB Heavies didn't shoot so we'll. I think they are going too fast at 980-1010 fps.

We might be on to something. I’m going to have to make a pellet purchase here soon and I think it’ll be for larger head diameters. Deer season ends Saturday here. So small game really starts for me.
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 08, 2018, 01:25:59 AM
Just a thought , maybe the barrel bands are pulling the shroud and barrel down when tightening.. Possible bedding the pillars might help..


completed my aluminum shroud mounts and  barrel/shroud ported spacers. Almost press fit with additional grub screws, shroud barrel is now very rigid. Combined with spring loaded  baffles it is quiet. Way, way quieter than a Red Rider, by far the quietest airgun I have ever heard.
I bored a piece of half inch plate for a new barrel support. The difference in the original barrel bracket and accurate +- .0005 true centers is obvious. Gone will be the exaggerated elevation adjustment.

I have a db meter, I'll sett up a Flash, Urban and bb gun for direct comparative reading under identical conditions.
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Post by: skorec on December 08, 2018, 03:21:09 AM
Stephan, Thanks for  info.

I am really interested in grouping JSB Monster REDESIGNED at  50+ yd. Probably they will need a little bit more power 960FPS so the inspection/enlarging  of transfer ports  can help too .

 Peter, I'm sorry to say that I did not have a good time with the JSB Monster REDESIGNED. at 50 yards it was ok but at 75 yards all *(&^ broke loose. The group opened up too much to talk about. I have it on video. I will post the video ASAP. I just have to tear down the gun and edit the video so you can see for your self

Stefen,
All my barrels ( LW CH, LW Poly NCH, Weihrauch CH ) are  shooting Monster REDESIGNED OK ( inside 2*MOA whit some (20%)  flyers but only up to 4MOA ) up to 77 yd but I really not test them behind 77yd.  Did you taste them up 950+ FPS ?

Notice:
Old style design .177 Monsters start spiraling at 40+ and at 77yd shot 15MOA.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 08, 2018, 03:38:28 PM
For those of you running out of elevation, try moving the barrel band to the front of the shroud/air tube. And by the front, I mean so the front of the band is flush with rear  of the fill port cover. I had the same issue with running out of elevation out of the box. Then figured out that the closer you move the barrel band to the front of the rifle, the higher it shifts the shroud. This worked with both rifles I own.

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Post by: pat585 on December 08, 2018, 05:42:32 PM
Mike= Nice fix. Both of my guns are already shimmed but it's good to know. I was working on the trigger on my .177 wood stock & got it under 1lb. When i put the trigger guard back on the rifle it would not catch the sear. I backed the front screw(wood screw) out a little & works fine. A few little bugs to be worked out in these guns.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 08, 2018, 06:07:29 PM
Pat.
Same thing with my rifles. The issue everyone is running into with the trigger guard screws messing with the trigger function is really similar to what happens when you over tighten the  trigger guard screws (especially the rear) on Diana (and the Chinese clones) springers. The rear screw interfears with the sear function. Tighten it too much and you can't get the rifle to cock. The relationship between trigger guard screw tightness and the function of the trigger components is totally interrelated.

I really need to figure out how to make a video of the take down and reassembly process for this rifle ( I'm a really good motorcycle mechanic. 40 years + worth of good) but I get too frustrated too quickly when it comes to internet related things. What I figured out is that the rigidity of the entire action and regulator/air tube block is 100% dependant on having at least 1000psi of air in the rifle. This needs to be done at the mid point of reassembling the rifle, and from what I've gleaned, the rifle can only be reassembled one way or you risk blowing out the regulator/air tube block to regulator small end O-ring. That will get your attention real quick when it let's go at 3000psi  ;D. Without air in it, the entire action is, for lack of a better word, "floppy". If anybody out there is familiar with motorcycles, the compressed air turns the entire action into what is called a Stressed Member ( get your heads out of the gutter, guys. It's an actual engineering term  ;) )
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Post by: pat585 on December 08, 2018, 06:47:41 PM
A stressed member engine is a vehicle engine used as an active structural element of the chassis to transmit forces and torques, rather than being passively contained by the chassis with anti-vibration mounts. Automotive engineers use the method for weight reduction and mass centralization in vehicles.= I believe you!!
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 08, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.
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Post by: smythsg on December 08, 2018, 08:49:42 PM
Ray, thank you again for the heads up about the baffles. I finally got some quality time with my airguns today and installed the baffles in the Liberty. It was raining buckets all day, but I did shoot a few off the porch after the baffles were installed and hear nothing but the mechanical noises from the rifle. I was so pleased that I checked the shroud I have on my .25 Airforce Condor (Bullseye Bill shroud which has no baffles) and the baffle you recommended fits inside this shroud perfectly as well. (with some minor cuts to the length and end cap) Again, I was only able to shoot a couple off the porch, but even at 60+ ft lbs, there is a significant reduction in perceived sound with the baffles installed.

Next week the travel returns, but I am done for the year after that. I still need to shim the hammer spring on the Liberty, then will do some chrony work with several different pellets.
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Post by: superchikn on December 08, 2018, 11:37:04 PM
Steve,

You are very welcome on the baffles heads up.  Glad I could help.

Guys,

This is my first PCP and i have really only been airgunning for a year now.

  I see many here seem to be shooting one hole groups pretty much out of the box and some are saying their Liberties are not very pellet picky.

I have a wide array of pellets from CPDs through AA, H&N, JSB and several others in weights from 13.4 JSB to 25 JSB redesigned monsters etc.

I regularly shoot at 30 yds and NOTHING has been grouping tighter than an inch or 1 1/2".  I cleaned the barrel the other night with googone although not as thoroughly as I could as i had not yet removed the barrel.

Out shooting today and more of the same.  BTW Hi power setting seems to be better than lo so far.
At any rate I thought I would try JSB 13.4s since they don't shoot for $&*% out of anything else I have.  Well there is a group.  Nearly all through the same hole with a flyer.  Sounded like they were going nearly supersonic.  Tried JSB 14.whatever which dont shoot out of anything else I have.  Dimes or better again.  Still sounding like they are shooting hot (loud).  Figured i would try the AA 16s and now they are going through pretty much the same hole.  I will shoot more tomorrow and go back to the heavier pellets and see how they do.

Did my gun just suddenly settle down?  Did it just become seasoned?  Did I just shoot the last of the gunk out of the barrel?

I think it is more likely that the very light pellets 13 and 14 gr. grouping versus heavier pellets (the same ones which are working for everyone else)  are indicating something about the output of my gun, but I do not know what it would be.  Need more HS preload??   I do not have a Chrono.

What do you guys think?

Thanks   
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Post by: skorec on December 09, 2018, 12:33:04 AM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.

Interesting.
I have to change all my PCPs to free floating barrel to reach best accuracy and you are doing certain opposite.

My problem was that POI was changing in according air pressure at air tube.

Therefore  I deallocated all bands  from  barrel  to act only as bumper whit some gap between the barrel and band.  At some gun I only have to fixed  barrel itself into the breech more stiffen.

Did you make inspection how is the barrel fixed into the breech ?
There is no too big gap between the barrel and breech ?
How thick and long is the barrel ?   
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 09, 2018, 01:33:24 AM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down.

Interesting.
I have to change all my PCPs to free floating barrel to reach best accuracy and you are doing certain opposite.

My problem was that POI was changing in according air pressure at air tube.

Therefore  I deallocated all bands  from  barrel  to act only as bumper whit some gap between the barrel and band.  At some gun I only have to fixed  barrel itself into the breech more stiffen.

Did you make inspection how is the barrel fixed into the breech ?
There is no too big gap between the barrel and breech ?
How thick and long is the barrel ?
[/quote Removing the bracket will full float the barrel at a sustantial change in rigidity. Next week will tell as removing the barrel band is very simple and quick. It is my intent to check both ways. as it was, the barrel was having to bend down .070 inch.
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Post by: skorec on December 09, 2018, 02:04:42 AM
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 09, 2018, 07:15:03 AM
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before
If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.
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Post by: skorec on December 09, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before
If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.

You may stiffen  the barrel itsel whit CF tubes/sleves bunch (ID11-OD22 mm).
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 09, 2018, 03:12:45 PM
OK let us know grouping at 50+ yd by changing the pressure from 300bar to 130 bar.
Thank before
If I find that the point of impact is changing because the gun is moving around, I'll bore the band for clearance around the shroud while still clamping on the airtube.  The barrel is secured by three grub screws, pretty secure. Do not have my notes handy, but it's a relatively flexible, skinny barrel, around 11mm.
With the aluminum shroud mount actually based against the receiver and another internal sleeve about six inches in from the muzzle, both a push fit in the shroud, secured with button head Allen screws, the barrel/shroud assembly is essentially one piece and pretty rigid.

You may stiffen  the barrel itsel whit CF tubes/sleves bunch (ID11-OD22 mm).
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 09, 2018, 04:10:42 PM
Anyone having issues with pellets double feeding?  I was testing several different pellets over the chrony today and was having a lot of jams due to pellets being double fed into the barrel.  I have no idea how it was happening, but I ended up just putting the single shot tray in it to finish my testing.  It seemed to occur more frequently with the AA Diablo Field pellets and the H&N FTT's.  The others seemed to feed fine.
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 09, 2018, 06:27:06 PM
 I have had some double feeds with the mag, have to be vigilant at making sure you operate the side lever through its full cycle, haven't looked into a cure yet.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 09, 2018, 06:39:07 PM
I just uploaded a video to you tube detailing what I could. Hope this is helpful.

https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo
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Post by: Paul E on December 09, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
Good review Banker.
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Post by: superchikn on December 09, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Nice video Stephen,  thanks for the mention on the baffle.  I like what you did with it.
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Post by: pat585 on December 09, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
Stephen = Great video. Thanks for the time & effort. I'm sure a lot of people will like that it shoots slugs good. I think this rifle will keep you busy for a while!!
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Post by: smythsg on December 09, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Awesome video Stephen, helps clear up many of the mysteries of the Liberty!!!  Very happy to see the 21 gn Cudas did well, they are one of my fav pellets.
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Post by: skorec on December 09, 2018, 10:02:36 PM
Not good but  excellent/supercalafrageisticexpialadotion review.   

Notice.
The  Monsters R probably start spiraling at 75 yd and Heavies  was shooting probably too hot.
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 09, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
Wow great video!! Thanks for the review. I can’t wait to get mine.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 09, 2018, 11:20:43 PM
Great video!  I really like the detail you went in to on the regulator adjustment and shimmingbof the hammer spring. I feel confident enough to take on that project now!  Thanks again.
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on December 10, 2018, 12:38:41 AM
Awesome job Steve, great video with detailed narrative. This is ground zero for "the mod squad" to jump in. I share your perspective in that a tweek to the regulator setting and a bump to the hammer spring is enough to satisf me for now, not withstanding, Ray's moderator install is a given. What an excellent platform to work from. They had me at the double o-rings on the pellet probe, and an incredible price as well.

If they come out with a 25 bull pup, at a comperable price........ Look out........ Going to be a avalanche of orders.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 10, 2018, 01:08:16 AM
Stephen- Great review on the Liberty. I subscribed and look forward to watching future videos. I haven’t done the baffle mod yet but it looks like that’ll be on my list. Going to see if I can find a lighter trigger spring as well with a longer screw for the second stage travel.
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Post by: chouby4 on December 10, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Stephen-Great review/tear down video.  This will save me a lot of headaches, and time when I adjust the power on my Liberty.  Thanks
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Post by: cosmic on December 10, 2018, 01:43:06 AM
Thanks Steve !! You answered everything I asked you !! Now we need someone to stone the sear surfaces and find a lighter spring for the trigger.. I have a few Nielsen 15.5 gr. slugs to try.. ( .177 ) Thanks and I hope your are thawed out by now !!
                    Ray
By the way I called Crosman on Friday and ordered a baffle and the total was $6.05
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Post by: Lastdog on December 10, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
Thanks Steve great review and super info. I agree with you that this gun is a fantastic value and has all a shooter needs. Again thanks
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Post by: superchikn on December 10, 2018, 10:13:07 AM
Mine came with a pretty heavy trigger which I have only made minor improvements on so far.  I have not been able to put much time into it yet though.  Mine came with all screws turned all the way in and the spring screw turned all the way out.  I put a lighter spring in and it did not make much of a difference on mine.  I installed a longer screw at the front and polished the top of the sear where the rear screw contacts it. That definitely got rid of the grittiness.  Out of the box mine was a heavy single stage that broke crisply.  Too heavy though.  It may have lightened up a bit.  I have ordered some set screws with ball ends (there is a ball in the end and no spring) to replace the ones in it now.  There is also a hole with a very short set screw in it at the back edge of the trigger blade.  It is upside down and the blade needs to be removed to get it out.  I wonder if a set screw in there in conjunction with the one next to it would create a second stage.  I think that by itself it would make the trigger heavier byt I will try it out.

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Post by: cosmic on December 10, 2018, 05:16:41 PM
FYI I have Captain O Ring working on a set for the Liberty...
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 10, 2018, 05:40:36 PM
FYI I have Captain O Ring working on a set for the Liberty...

FANTASTIC!

Many thanks!
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Post by: superchikn on December 10, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
FYI I have Captain O Ring working on a set for the Liberty...

What did you do send him your gun?

I only heard of him recently.  about an hour away.
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Post by: cosmic on December 10, 2018, 05:54:58 PM
Took the sizes off the diagrams supplied by ATI..
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 10, 2018, 05:59:49 PM
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll  be my own guinea pig.
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Post by: cosmic on December 10, 2018, 06:07:07 PM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..
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Post by: superchikn on December 10, 2018, 06:22:03 PM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..

Right,  I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end.  I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part.  Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.

Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 10, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..

Right,  I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end.  I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part.  Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.

Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.

Thank you Ray! I will order mine tonight
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 10, 2018, 06:51:06 PM
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll  be my own guinea pig.

Thank you Billy. Yes, I wanted to open the transfer ports but I could not figure out how to remove the regulator without damaging anything. I was going to drill the transfer ports upside-down so as not to send any shaving into the regulator. But then I was also afraid I would Nick the valve stem with the drill bit. I'm hoping someone will post a way to remove the regulator.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 10, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll  be my own guinea pig.

Have not yet! I thought about it but right now I don’t think I’m looking to go that route. Everything I have done  so far is reversible. I like the idea of not voiding the warranty.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 10, 2018, 06:54:23 PM
Outstanding video! Has anyone opened up the transfer ports on the high side of the valve and the barrel. It would seem reasonable that if you could make it more efficient on that side you could lower the regulato setting for more shots, same velocity. If not, guess I'll  be my own guinea pig.

Have not yet! I thought about it but right now I don’t think I’m looking to go that route. Everything I have done  so far is reversible. I like the idea of not voiding the warranty.

I agree with you on the warranty. BTW we where typing at the same time
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 10, 2018, 10:40:23 PM
Warranty? Warranty, we don't need no stinking warranty, lol. If I have time this weekend I'll give it a go.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 10, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
Warranty? Warranty, we don't need no stinking warranty, lol. If I have time this weekend I'll give it a go.

Billy, Can't wait to see what kind of power you get.

Does anyone know where I can purchase a 1/2 x 20 UNF adaptor for this shrould? It's .89" inner diameter and 1" outer diameter. I don't know what the thread s on the shrould.
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Post by: GreyBeard1851 on December 10, 2018, 11:03:00 PM
I just uploaded a video to you tube detailing what I could. Hope this is helpful.

https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo
That is a fantastic video.  You have talent.  Thank You, banker.
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Post by: pat585 on December 10, 2018, 11:11:56 PM
Stephen=I got my adaptor from John Hagan-aerotulz@gmail.com. I sent him my end cap so he could get the thread size. Now that he knows the thread size im sure he could get one right out to you.  He is in colorado. Donnyfl recommended him to me. I have a donny tanto on mine.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 10, 2018, 11:22:51 PM
Stephen=I got my adaptor from John Hagan-aerotulz@gmail.com. I sent him my end cap so he could get the thread size. Now that he knows the thread size im sure he could get one right out to you.  He is in colorado. Donnyfl recommended him to me. I have a donny tanto on mine.

Thank you Pat!
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Post by: TheSaint on December 11, 2018, 01:43:24 AM
Stephen/Billy,

There's really no room to drill out the High side of the transfer port. It's as big as it's gonna get, given the diameter of the transfer port rotary cylinder. There's a little room on the cylinder to make the Low side a smidge larger. Have a look, it's simple. Just use a 1.5mm hex bit to take the screw out of the right side of the reciever, oppsite the transfer port adjustment knob. The transfer port just slides out. You don't need to degas. There are two o-rings on  the transfer port cylinder. Also be aware of the small spring and ball bearing that act as the transfer port's detent. If (in my case it was when) you lose that little spring, a small portion of the flint spring from a Bic lighter works just as well as the original.

I haven't opened up the barrel port yet, as I want to do it in small increments, and need a chrony to do it right. My long suffering better half is getting me a new one for Christmas. As I mentioned before, I had a Senior Moment and vaporized my old one with 12ga double-ought that I could have sworn was a saboted slug. So be it.

Stephen,

Glad you got my message about removing and reinstalling the reg. Once you do it, you'll get why it has to go together the opposite way you took it apart.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 11, 2018, 05:43:06 AM
Stephen/Billy,

There's really no room to drill out the High side of the transfer port. It's as big as it's gonna get, given the diameter of the transfer port rotary cylinder. There's a little room on the cylinder to make the Low side a smidge larger. Have a look, it's simple. Just use a 1.5mm hex bit to take the screw out of the right side of the reciever, oppsite the transfer port adjustment knob. The transfer port just slides out. You don't need to degas. There are two o-rings on  the transfer port cylinder. Also be aware of the small spring and ball bearing that act as the transfer port's detent. If (in my case it was when) you lose that little spring, a small portion of the flint spring from a Bic lighter works just as well as the original.

I haven't opened up the barrel port yet, as I want to do it in small increments, and need a chrony to do it right. My long suffering better half is getting me a new one for Christmas. As I mentioned before, I had a Senior Moment and vaporized my old one with 12ga double-ought that I could have sworn was a saboted slug. So be it.

Stephen,

Glad you got my message about removing and reinstalling the reg. Once you do it, you'll get why it has to go together the opposite way you took it apart.

Thank you Mike for the help on removing the regulator! I think we could also enlarge the transfer port rotary cylinder (replace factory rotary selector with a  larger diameter bolt) like Troy Hammer did for the kral puncher Jumbo. Then once the rotary cylinder has been enlarged the transfer port can be enlarged as well. I hope Troy gets his hands on this gun soon.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 11, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
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Thank you Mike for the help on removing the regulator! I think we could also enlarge the transfer port rotary cylinder (replace factory rotary selector with a  larger diameter bolt) like Troy Hammer did for the kral puncher Jumbo. Then once the rotary cylinder has been enlarged the transfer port can be enlarged as well. I hope Troy gets his hands on this gun soon.

You/we could always start a "Hammer The Liberty" fun and send him one  8)
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Post by: superchikn on December 11, 2018, 11:31:48 AM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..

Right,  I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end.  I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part.  Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.

Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.

I think these will work nicely!

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Post by: Rohmpm on December 11, 2018, 02:05:57 PM
Stephen/Billy,

There's really no room to drill out the High side of the transfer port. It's as big as it's gonna get, given the diameter of the transfer port rotary cylinder. There's a little room on the cylinder to make the Low side a smidge larger. Have a look, it's simple. Just use a 1.5mm hex bit to take the screw out of the right side of the reciever, oppsite the transfer port adjustment knob. The transfer port just slides out. You don't need to degas. There are two o-rings on  the transfer port cylinder. Also be aware of the small spring and ball bearing that act as the transfer port's detent. If (in my case it was when) you lose that little spring, a small portion of the flint spring from a Bic lighter works just as well as the original.

I haven't opened up the barrel port yet, as I want to do it in small increments, and need a chrony to do it right. My long suffering better half is getting me a new one for Christmas. As I mentioned before, I had a Senior Moment and vaporized my old one with 12ga double-ought that I could have sworn was a saboted slug. So be it.

Stephen,

Glad you got my message about removing and reinstalling the reg. Once you do it, you'll get why it has to go together the opposite way you took it apart.


How about sharing the regulator info. I haven't taken the rotary valve out yet. i am not interested in a dual power setting. Could I make a stationary plug that would replace the valve and drill that for a larger port?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 11, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..

Right,  I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end.  I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part.  Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.

Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.

I think these will work nicely!



Let me know how that works for you. If I hear good results I’ll be placing an order.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 11, 2018, 02:59:56 PM
Billy,

Reg removal and reinstall info is on page 26 of this thread, reply #514. The only thing I didn't mention is to use something like a strip of inner tube or even thin cardboard to wrap around the tip of the regulator before you use a pair of pliers to unscrew the reg from the action.

As for drilling out the existing t-port cylinder, I don't know. Tho looking at the action I'd think not. Drilling out the hole for a larger t-port cylinder looks like you'd have to mill a "half moon" channel into the bottom of the barrel itself, due to the fact that the existing t-port cylinder almost makes contact with the bottom of the barrel already. I'm also pretty sure that even if you made your own one size transfer port "plug", it couldn't be drilled out any larger than the factory size.

But this is just an educated guess from an old motorcycle mechanic who has an air rifle addiction. I am by no means an air rifle designer or professional air rifle gunsmith. So someone more knowledgeable than myself would have to answer your question with 100% certainty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on December 11, 2018, 06:02:35 PM
Billy,

Reg removal and reinstall info is on page 26 of this thread, reply #514. The only thing I didn't mention is to use something like a strip of inner tube or even thin cardboard to wrap around the tip of the regulator before you use a pair of pliers to unscrew the reg from the action.

As for drilling out the existing t-port cylinder, I don't know. Tho looking at the action I'd think not. Drilling out the hole for a larger t-port cylinder looks like you'd have to mill a "half moon" channel into the bottom of the barrel itself, due to the fact that the existing t-port cylinder almost makes contact with the bottom of the barrel already. I'm also pretty sure that even if you made your own one size transfer port "plug", it couldn't be drilled out any larger than the factory size.

But this is just an educated guess from an old motorcycle mechanic who has an air rifle addiction. I am by no means an air rifle designer or professional air rifle gunsmith. So someone more knowledgeable than myself would have to answer your question with 100% certainty.
Coincidentally, I am a bike shop. Rohm Performance Machine. Used to do a lot of magazine work, manufactured parts, built race engines etc. Still dabble in that but am primarily a dyno shop now, a lot more fun.

I took it apart. I'm going to make a shrink fit dowel and install it in the power adjuster hole. Then I can bore whatever I'd like. Im not interested in using the low power setting. I'll use the fairly standard drill sizes for .22 porting.
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Post by: TheSaint on December 11, 2018, 06:40:09 PM
Very cool approach to the issue! Please let us know how that goes.

On the motorcycle thing, I spent the better part of 35 years in the biz. Specialized in the restoration, repair and maintenance of vintage European, Eastern European and Japanese machines. I've got a particular soft spot for the old 2cycle bikes, especially the ones from the former Soviet Block. MZ, CZ, JAWA, Dnepr and the like. "Retired" now, but still have three active lifts in the garage. Wouldn't know what to do with myself if I weren't greasy and smelling of Klotz, lol!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on December 12, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
By the way the trigger screws are 5mm..

Right,  I ordered the M5 .8 x 12 mm with the roller ball end.  I put the part number next to the link because I could not link just the part.  Coming tomorrow can't wait to try em.

Maybe Ill start putting them in all of my triggers.

I think these will work nicely!


I only had 5 minutes to play with these last night.  They fit!  I could not determine much more than that in five minutes except that by replacing the short set screw inserted from the under side of the trigger blade with one of these gave me a much lighter trigger.  I do not know if it is a matter simply swapping positions of a single screw or if two screws (using both positions) will allow something of a two stage trigger like in my TO6.  Ideally if I get time I will make up a clear trigger block so I can watch the action.  That is a big if on the the time thing.

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Post by: superchikn on December 12, 2018, 12:11:32 PM
I hope this works, here is a link to the Spreadsheet Pat got from Jennifer.  It's pretty cool the way they laid it out.  Let me know if you can't download it and I'll try something else:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)

If anyone needs it i converted the spread sheet to PDF

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on December 12, 2018, 02:02:23 PM
Ray= Thanks, That should help everyone. I was just filling my Nova .22 & noticed the stainless probe also has a screen in it. I looked at all my other fill probes & none have a screen? Wondering why other probes don't have the screen? Is it not necessary or is it a nice feature?
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 12, 2018, 03:32:08 PM
Does anyone have an actual picture of the poppet valve faces and spring? I would like to know if the poppet is sealing metal to metal or is there an o-ring or some other synthetic on that side of the poppet
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Post by: cobalt327 on December 12, 2018, 03:38:32 PM
Thanks superchikn !
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Post by: pat585 on December 12, 2018, 05:45:59 PM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down

Billy= How did the bracket you made work out as far as the POI changing? I decided to clean my barrel after about a tin through it. I leave out the small screw on the base of the shroud so i just have to loosen the shroud/cylinder bracket screw & remove the shroud without removing the stock. After putting the shroud back on the rifle it was shooting 2in to the left? As you said there is barrel deflection. I removed that pedestal bracket for the cylinder & just went with the shroud/cylinder bracket. But as mike said, moving the shroud/cylinder bracket forwards or back will also change POI. There is definitely barrel stress being applied by the shroud brackets!
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 13, 2018, 12:40:12 AM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down

Billy= How did the bracket you made work out as far as the POI changing? I decided to clean my barrel after about a tin through it. I leave out the small screw on the base of the shroud so i just have to loosen the shroud/cylinder bracket screw & remove the shroud without removing the stock. After putting the shroud back on the rifle it was shooting 2in to the left? As you said there is barrel deflection. I removed that pedestal bracket for the cylinder & just went with the shroud/cylinder bracket. But as mike said, moving the shroud/cylinder bracket forwards or back will also change POI. There is definitely barrel stress being applied by the shroud brackets!
Pat, I decided to full float the barrel so I rebored the shroud support so that it does not contact the shroud. The shroud can slightly move within the support . In these pics you will see that I made pieces that push fit in the shroud tube to make the entire shroud/barrel a rigid unit. Note the shroud base mount, I'm going to longitudinally attach that to the receiver to stiffen it further, it is also grub screwed to the barrel.

I also added a guage that will indicate regulated pressure. I'm doing a couple other things so It'll be a couple days until it goes together
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Post by: pat585 on December 13, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Billy = I did see your earlier photos & that's why i was wondering how it worked out? But i can see that the way you did it there is no way now that the shroud can affect the POI. Nice work!! The one screw on my shroud base unit is striped  on mine so i will try adding another screw on the opposite side. Another reason i dislike plastic!! I could always bring the piece to a machine shop & have one made. I was wondering how long it would be before someone added a reg gauge. Did you find a gauge to fit the existing threads or did you drill & tap the cover?   
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 13, 2018, 09:53:40 AM
Stephen,

Haven't read any feedback from you regarding the mod, taking down the end, you did on the Crosman Baffle System.
I had good luck with your suggestion of trimming the end piece so it fits further down the barrel. It's now as quiet as my Marauder 22 caliber. Down range noise is much more noticeably reduced. It changed the pitch of the air exiting the barrel from a high pitch to a lower pitch which also helps.
No loss in FPS, per my chrono, or clipping using the baffle which is another plus.
Wish there was room to wrap some felt around it to see if that would help even more.

Many thanks for the mod idea.

 
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Post by: MB on December 13, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
Finished the barrel bracket. Fits like a glove, no detectable deflection. Barrel is aligned correctly with receiver/dovetail. It will be interesting how much the point of impact will change without the barrel deflected down

Billy= How did the bracket you made work out as far as the POI changing? I decided to clean my barrel after about a tin through it. I leave out the small screw on the base of the shroud so i just have to loosen the shroud/cylinder bracket screw & remove the shroud without removing the stock. After putting the shroud back on the rifle it was shooting 2in to the left? As you said there is barrel deflection. I removed that pedestal bracket for the cylinder & just went with the shroud/cylinder bracket. But as mike said, moving the shroud/cylinder bracket forwards or back will also change POI. There is definitely barrel stress being applied by the shroud brackets!
Pat, I decided to full float the barrel so I rebored the shroud support so that it does not contact the shroud. The shroud can slightly move within the support . In these pics you will see that I made pieces that push fit in the shroud tube to make the entire shroud/barrel a rigid unit. Note the shroud base mount, I'm going to longitudinally attach that to the receiver to stiffen it further, it is also grub screwed to the barrel.

I also added a guage that will indicate regulated pressure. I'm doing a couple other things so It'll be a couple days until it goes together

What size pressure guage ? 25mm 28mm and what thread? Appreciate the help
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Post by: Rohmpm on December 13, 2018, 10:20:28 AM
Billy = I did see your earlier photos & that's why i was wondering how it worked out? But i can see that the way you did it there is no way now that the shroud can affect the POI. Nice work!! The one screw on my shroud base unit is striped  on mine so i will try adding another screw on the opposite side. Another reason i dislike plastic!! I could always bring the piece to a machine shop & have one made. I was wondering how long it would be before someone added a reg gauge. Did you find a gauge to fit the existing threads or did you drill & tap the cover?
I had a guage that is 1/8 npt so I just drilled and tapped the regulator resevoir screw in plug, it is plenty thick. I'm going to find as guage with a wider scale for more resolution but this is what I had on hand. Not sure of the diameter, I'll check when I get to the shop, about the diameter of the plenum. 20mm guage.
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Post by: cosmic on December 13, 2018, 04:26:36 PM
By the way for those trying to lighten the trigger pull.. There is only so far you can go.. After so far,  you can take it out completly and still have the same pull.. The hex head in the trigger has a shoulder on it for the springs washer to rest on .. So once the hex is backed out far enough, the washer no longer engages the shoulder of it.. The only option is to find a lighter spring..
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Post by: superchikn on December 13, 2018, 04:33:01 PM
By the way for those trying to lighten the trigger pull.. There is only so far you can go.. After so far,  you can take it out completly and still have the same pull.. The hex head in the trigger has a shoulder on it for the springs washer to rest on .. So once the hex is backed out far enough, the washer no longer engages the shoulder of it.. The only option is to find a lighter spring..


I found the same to be true even with a lighter spring. 
As I said at the top of this page removing the short upside down set screw at the back of the trigger blade and installing the screw next to it or in my case a ball point set screw gave me a very light but adjustable single stage trigger.
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Post by: cosmic on December 14, 2018, 08:58:45 PM
Thanks Ray ( superchikn), ( by the way great name ! ) I went throught the trigger again today..  I put a shortened lighter hardware store spring in and under examination of your replacing the upside down hex I realized the one behind the trigger did not need to be there.. I removed the upsidedown hex at the back of the trigger and replaced it with the hex screw from behind the trigger.. More leverage from the trigger to the sear I believe.. I also shimmed the trigger with a piece of plastic coffe can lid to eliminate the side to side wiggle..
      Very nice and very light !! I like a light single stage trigger since I shoot off the bench...
   Safety doesn't work but I don't use them anyway.. Thanks to Mike (TheSaint)
Thanks to all Steve ( thebanker4) great video and for answering all my questions...
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 16, 2018, 06:55:08 PM
Here is a short video on modifying Transfer ports along with reg and hammer spring adjustments. Hope this helps

https://youtu.be/BBgPwXQVFpI
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Post by: pat585 on December 16, 2018, 08:16:36 PM
Stephen= Another great video. Looks like your closing in on your goal !!
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Post by: smythsg on December 16, 2018, 08:37:59 PM
Took my .22 Liberty on it's first walk in the woods today, and right on que it started raining. Fortunately the rain didn last long so the walk continued. About a quarter mile in I came across a perfect puddle with an old beer can lying right next to it. The can went into the puddle and I walked a lasered 100 yards to try my luck. I shot three times, walking the pellets closer to the can when I heard a noise to my left and observed three deer about 65 yards away just watching me shoot. The gun was so quiet with the Crossman baffles that it was not spooking the deer. I had to reload the mag at this point and the deer finally trotted off as I set the gun down and reloaded. About that time two squirrels started chasing each other around a tree farther up the path, so off I went after them. They made all kinds of racket, but never slowed down enough for a shot, and finally disappeared.

My goal on this walk was to put as many pellets down the barrel as possible so things can begin breaking in. I was shooting CPHPs and wound up running out of pellets after shooting six mags. The Liberty still had about 900 psi before falling off the reg from my original 3800 psi fill, and after 60 shots, had air for at least one more mag. This gun has some lungs!!!

While I didn't bring home any bacon, many a can and bottle met it's maker on this 4 mile trek. The Liberty felt light and nimble in the woods and the synthetic stock was perfect for a rainy day like today. I want to get another hundred or so pellet through the barrel before doing any mods to the rifle. On the next trek I will bring more pellets   8)
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 16, 2018, 11:18:52 PM
Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 16, 2018, 11:44:15 PM
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Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.

If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 17, 2018, 12:04:10 AM
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Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.

If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.

It makes a lot sense to do in the future but for some reason I’m having a hard time messing with too much at this point. My rifle shoots really good. Like really really good. I’m kind of asking myself now do you even want to open this thing back up and risk losing some accuracy. I don’t think I want to until after squirrel season ends in February. What types of groups have you guys been getting at 30-50yds and further? Just wanting to know bc right now the limiting factor is me. I stacked and I mean literally stacked 4 in the same hole at 50yds. I wasnt sure where I was hitting after the 3rd and fourth shot so I dialed 4 clicks right and saw  my 5th hit along the same elvation a little off to the right. I was shooting jsb 18.13 travelling about 940-950. This seems to be sweet spot for my barrel.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on December 17, 2018, 12:23:51 AM
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Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.

If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.

It makes a lot sense to do in the future but for some reason I’m having a hard time messing with too much at this point. My rifle shoots really good. Like really really good. I’m kind of asking myself now do you even want to open this thing back up and risk losing some accuracy. I don’t think I want to until after squirrel season ends in February. What types of groups have you guys been getting at 30-50yds and further? Just wanting to know bc right now the limiting factor is me. I stacked and I mean literally stacked 4 in the same hole at 50yds. I wasnt sure where I was hitting after the 3rd and fourth shot so I dialed 4 clicks right and saw  my 5th hit along the same elvation a little off to the right. I was shooting jsb 18.13 travelling about 940-950. This seems to be sweet spot for my barrel.

Frankie I agree that this gun is so amazing with just a small 1/4 turn on the reg and two shims on hammer. I just can't sleep until I figure out how it works and get just a little more power. I too put 3 pellets touching out of five at 109yards on Friday and the other two pellets just to the right taken by the wind.
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 17, 2018, 06:51:46 PM
I sent my Liberty back to American Tactical as it was leaking and they received it last week on Tuesday. I called today to find out what is going on with it and they told me they haven’t even looked at it yet. I find that to be unacceptable!!

 I asked when they might get to it and reminded Ty I wanted to pay for and exchange it for the wood stock version which Ty had said wouldn’t be a problem when I sent it back. Now it appears as if they just want to repair the gun they sent me vs replace it and I was told hopefully they can get to it this week. I am pretty disappointed with the after sales support. I hope I get a wood stock like I asked for and that I get a gun back soon. Really disappointed/frustrated right now.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 17, 2018, 08:03:31 PM
No one likes waiting especially when it's a new toy, hopefully they will get to it sooner than later. At least a Liberty be it wood or synthetic is worth waiting for. I waited four months for the Fortitude to be released before finally giving up and canceling my order, after hearing the early reports and problems with them I was lucky I did. And the Dynamic DAR fiasco, they sent me three different rifles and all of them leaked, the problem was so bad that they recalled all the rifles. I am very happy with my Liberty and I believe you will be too, just sorry to hear you got a leaker. Be patient my friend it will work out soon.
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 17, 2018, 08:34:56 PM
 I will probably be a faster turn around than a Crosman exchange , hang in there. Glad you sent it in to bring it to their attention, me I would have not been able to wait a week or two, and would just fix it, but I'm picky like that< only I work on my vehicles etc. I have encountered too much shoddy workmanship on things that were fixed by others.
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 17, 2018, 08:39:40 PM
Thanks I just needed to vent a little. I’m sure they’ll make it right and I’ll get a great gun soon.
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Post by: Jonnie on December 18, 2018, 12:01:07 PM
I received an e-mail from Jennifer yesterday stating that they just received a parts shipment for the Nova's. Lack of parts may be the reason for the delay.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 18, 2018, 12:07:27 PM
I received an e-mail from Jennifer yesterday stating that they just received a parts shipment for the Nova's. Lack of parts may be the reason for the delay.

That’s really good news they will have parts on hand for repairs. That makes this purchase a little sweeter for me. I may try to order an extra reg to play with.
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 18, 2018, 01:11:31 PM
I sent an email last night to ATI voicing my concerns and got a reply this morning. They said it takes 2-3 weeks for them to repair a gun once it comes in. So looks like I’ll have my gun back sometime after the first of the year if everything goes smoothly. They said nothing about waiting for parts to come in though.
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Post by: Lostcoast on December 18, 2018, 09:45:32 PM
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Stephen great vid. I’m not sure I’ll attempt that just yet but it in the future.

If I had a money or a spare Liberty to experiment with I'd try it. But I don't have this luxury.
It does make for interesting viewing and reading.

It makes a lot sense to do in the future but for some reason I’m having a hard time messing with too much at this point. My rifle shoots really good. Like really really good. I’m kind of asking myself now do you even want to open this thing back up and risk losing some accuracy. I don’t think I want to until after squirrel season ends in February. What types of groups have you guys been getting at 30-50yds and further? Just wanting to know bc right now the limiting factor is me. I stacked and I mean literally stacked 4 in the same hole at 50yds. I wasnt sure where I was hitting after the 3rd and fourth shot so I dialed 4 clicks right and saw  my 5th hit along the same elvation a little off to the right. I was shooting jsb 18.13 travelling about 940-950. This seems to be sweet spot for my barrel.

Frankie I agree that this gun is so amazing with just a small 1/4 turn on the reg and two shims on hammer. I just can't sleep until I figure out how it works and get just a little more power. I too put 3 pellets touching out of five at 109yards on Friday and the other two pellets just to the right taken by the wind.

Man it’s difficult to decide between the Nova Vista Liberty and the Artemis P15.. I like the form factor and the larger air reservoir of the P15 but barrel quality seems to be very hit and miss.. The Liberty is heavier and longer but most everyone raves about its accuracy..
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 19, 2018, 12:14:16 AM
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Man it’s difficult to decide between the Nova Vista Liberty and the Artemis P15.. I like the form factor and the larger air reservoir of the P15 but barrel quality seems to be very hit and miss.. The Liberty is heavier and longer but most everyone raves about its accuracy..

At this point it will probably come down to who will probably offer the best service after the sale.
There is no doubt that Nova Liberty will have to go through some growing pains. Will those who already committed to the Liberty be willing to weather the storm and growing pains so they can catch up.
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Post by: cosmic on December 19, 2018, 04:28:11 PM
Anyone have some chrony results for a .177 ? Mine seems a bit weak...
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Post by: pat585 on December 19, 2018, 06:22:12 PM
Ray= what weight pellet are you shooting?
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Post by: cosmic on December 19, 2018, 07:58:29 PM
7.6 at 700
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Post by: pat585 on December 19, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
Ray=Were you shooting on low power? I just shot 10 crosman 7.4 destroyers and got 733 fps on low & 940 fps on high.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 20, 2018, 09:36:00 AM
Ray=Were you shooting on low power? I just shot 10 crosman 7.4 destroyers and got 733 fps on low & 940 fps on high.
I bought a 177 synthetic and won’t be able to shoot it until April. What kind of groups pellets distance are you getting with the 177?
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 10:39:12 AM
No, it was on high..
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 20, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 11:11:36 AM
Thanks, I will give it a try.. I will also do a tissue test to check the probe o rings...










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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 20, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.

I thought the Banker said to turn it "counter clockwise" in his video?

Does it make it a lot easier to adjust the regulator when it's degassed? I'm thinking of trying to turn it using a pick by not disassembling.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 20, 2018, 11:46:57 AM
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.

I thought the Banker said to turn it "counter clockwise" in his video?

Does it make it a lot easier to adjust the regulator when it's degassed? I'm thinking of trying to turn it using a pick by not disassembling.

I haven’t tried with the gun aired up but I don’t think you can move the dial while the gun is under pressure. I could be wrong. Hasn’t been a big deal for me to degas though so I don’t worry about it.
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 12:11:30 PM
I went counterclockwise as Steve said.. One note I have to add is even after degassing, YOU NEED TO FIRE THE RIFLE TO DEGASS THE REGULATOR !! I was wondering why it was so hard to turn.. I went a full revolution just to see as mine was screwed all the way in !  Test it this afternoon..
    I do have one question to those that shimmed the hammer spring, did yours have any washers or shims on it? Mine had nothing at all.. I did polish the end of the spring and added a thin flat washer so the spring will not to ride on the plastic haammer spring guide...
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 20, 2018, 12:24:58 PM
Ray- Mine had 3 washers that were very thin. I posted pictures somewhere earlier in the thread. Page 20
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 20, 2018, 12:33:40 PM
Ray- My .22 was shooting about 730 FPS on the high setting when I got it. I just degasssed and moved the regulator adjuster about 1/3 of turn counter clockwise. Brought the velocity up close to what others were stating.

I thought the Banker said to turn it "counter clockwise" in his video?


Does it make it a lot easier to adjust the regulator when it's degassed? I'm thinking of trying to turn it using a pick by not disassembling.

I haven’t tried with the gun aired up but I don’t think you can move the dial while the gun is under pressure. I could be wrong. Hasn’t been a big deal for me to degas though so I don’t worry about it.

I tried and no go. So I let it be for when I have the courage :-) I don't like taking things apart unless I have to.

I had to take apart my trigger, long story, so while I was in there I worked to lighten the pull. Now it's down to being 2.5 lb pull. It's as good and predicable as my Marauder which I use for my benchmark.
So turning up the regulator is my last mod to get the H&N 21 Baracuda close to 900 fps.

I did try some Neilson slugs and interestingly it liked them as much as my Marauder, which means it didn't. Shoots them wildly anywhere between 1-2 spread at 15 yards.
Fortunately both the Liberty and Marauder like the JSB Monster 25's. Accurate and devastating at 30 yards on tree rats. They go down and barely move with a shot right above the shoulder. 
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 12:51:01 PM
Once you degas and fire a couple time the air tube is easily screwed off by hand.. Then the brass disc is accessible...
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Post by: pat585 on December 20, 2018, 01:40:09 PM
Matt= I agree with Frankie. I've read more then once that you should de gas or fire a shot and adjust the reg before the plenum refills. Why take a chance! DEGAS.
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
I went a full revolution and then chronied.. Then I went a half more No more gain... Backed of a couple of dots and chronied again and kept doing it till the fps fell off.. Then upped it again till the best fps was reached... Used up a bunch of air!!  840-850 fps with jsb monster 13.65 gr.. Next is shimming the hammer to get the 15.5 neilsen slugs about 900.. I hope !!
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Post by: cosmic on December 20, 2018, 06:29:33 PM
By the way Matt, I think you can do it without removing the stock or the tube... Just degas and fire it a few times..
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Post by: pat585 on December 20, 2018, 06:35:42 PM
Ray= It sounds like you found your problem when you noticed no washers on the hs. You should see the gains you're looking for with shimming. Let us know how you make out.
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 20, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
 Yes it is not good to adjust a regulator while under pressure, it can damage the internals.
 I have been planning on testing to see if the .177 would shoot slugs, I see somone beat me to it, though I am added some .22 30 gr boat tail, and  .172 26 gr bullet molds , hope to get time to cast n test somewhat over holidays.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 21, 2018, 12:08:43 AM
I guess I was lucky when I upped my regulator pressure, I didn't degas or remove the air tube, wasn't worried though as I was increasing and not decreasing the regulated pressure, just used the tip of an awl in the gap between air tube and shroud and tapped the awl until I had rotated the brass cap about two holes or aprox 1/8 turn. I'm happy with the Barracudas at 33.5 FPE. I now understand how guys with high-end guns feel when they say their rifles are boringly accurate. Now if I pull a shot I really gotta own it and can't blame it on a damaged pellet. It's odd watching magazine after magazine cut nothing but one hole groups in the targets with me now being the weak link.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on December 21, 2018, 01:01:41 AM
It's okay to increase the regulator's setpoint on the fly.  All that does is open up the seat to allow the pressure to build higher before the spring compresses to close off the seat again.

It's doing down in pressure that is potentially damaging.  That causes the seat to become compressed ever tighter and that has the potential to damage the seat.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 21, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
What kind of groups at what distance with the 177 are you seeing?
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Post by: pat585 on December 21, 2018, 01:15:34 PM
Ken= I see this is the second time you have asked the question with no replies? I can tell you the guns are accurate. I have not read of anyone with a bad barrel yet. I think everyone now is just figuring out how these guns work. By april when you finally get to shoot yours there should a wealth of info available. Mine really likes the AA 10.3 gr. & the JSB redesigned monster 13.43 gr.
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Post by: cosmic on December 21, 2018, 06:44:31 PM
Well I shimed it up.. 2 washers .177 900's fps jsb monsters... 3 washers jsb monster at 1050 -1100 fps I might take one of the washers and take it down a bit.. 15.5 gr slugs 700's same with the jsb beasts..  I sure it will change as the regulator breaks in..If I get out and do some accuracy testing and determine what it shoots best, then tune to it..  I only plan on shooting 10.5 and up..
 Anyone with a freedom , please take a pic of the hammer adjuster..
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Post by: cosmic on December 21, 2018, 07:04:43 PM
By the way ATI  SANTA20 for 20% of airguns...
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 21, 2018, 07:22:29 PM
By the way ATI  SANTA20 for 20% of airguns...
Now that’s a good deal😳😎
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 21, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
Definitely liking the numbers you are getting with the 177👍🏾 Have some 15 gr sniper in 177 and 16 gr beast in 177😎 these pellets just might shoot really good 😳
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Post by: DRose on December 21, 2018, 08:22:05 PM
Any one else notice this rifle could be converted to left-hand cocking with just a little machining? Dave
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Post by: Lostcoast on December 21, 2018, 11:19:09 PM
Any one else notice this rifle could be converted to left-hand cocking with just a little machining? Dave

Now that would be sweet..
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Post by: mobilemail on December 22, 2018, 11:28:50 AM
If that actually occurs, it would be a great win for the southpaws! 

There are only two or three - maybe - southpaw friendly sidelever guns.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 22, 2018, 10:36:49 PM
Ray,
Quote
I do have one question to those that shimmed the hammer spring, did yours have any washers or shims on it? Mine had nothing at all.. I did polish the end of the spring and added a thin flat washer so the spring will not to ride on the plastic haammer spring guide...

Mine did not have any washers either. I did add two washers to boost the FPS.
Wondering how many versions of the Liberty are there now?
Need to adjust the regulator now and should be good.

The end of the spring on both ends were already milled flat. Good idea with using thin flat washer so the spring doesn't ride on plastic hammer guide.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 22, 2018, 11:19:33 PM
Ray,
Quote
I do have one question to those that shimmed the hammer spring, did yours have any washers or shims on it? Mine had nothing at all.. I did polish the end of the spring and added a thin flat washer so the spring will not to ride on the plastic haammer spring guide...

Mine did not have any washers either. I did add two washers to boost the FPS.
Wondering how many versions of the Liberty are there now?
Need to adjust the regulator now and should be good.

The end of the spring on both ends were already milled flat. Good idea with using thin flat washer so the spring doesn't ride on plastic hammer guide.


What caliber did you receive. Maybe it’s a .177 thing.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 22, 2018, 11:35:06 PM
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What caliber did you receive. Maybe it’s a .177 thing.

Mine is the 22. Wood.

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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 23, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
Interesting... I’m not sure it’s def weird some guns don’t have the 3 washers on the hammer spring. What velocity was your gun shooting before you installed the the new washers.
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Post by: pat585 on December 23, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
Frankie= I just checked my .177 & .22 and they both had the washers on the spring guide. The parts diagram doesn't show any washers on the guide so maybe there's a revised diagram out? I wonder if the build date tells us anything? The dates are on the air cylinder at the front. Both of my guns have a build dates are 5/18.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 23, 2018, 12:15:36 PM
Frankie,
Since I'm still experimenting with different pellets I don't have a fixed FPS but depending on the pellet FPS went up by 80.
ES(Extreme Spread) went up on some, lighter pellets, but heaver pellet went down.
Since I tend to shoot mostly heaver pellets and have never used the lower power setting this was all a win win.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 23, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
Frankie= I just checked my .177 & .22 and they both had the washers on the spring guide. The parts diagram doesn't show any washers on the guide so maybe there's a revised diagram out? I wonder if the build date tells us anything? The dates are on the air cylinder at the front. Both of my guns have a build dates are 5/18.

Pat,
Is the build date pretty obvious or does one needs something like the "Enigma Machine" to figure it out  ;D
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Post by: pat585 on December 23, 2018, 12:45:30 PM
Matt= On both of my guns the serial number & build date are printed in white on the outside of the air cylinder by the fill port. Can't miss them!
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 23, 2018, 01:02:12 PM
Build date on mine is also 5/18.
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Post by: Mawgawg on December 23, 2018, 03:48:20 PM
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.
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Post by: huklbery on December 23, 2018, 04:08:34 PM
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.

It's pre machined foster male... Now the mags, been using the Umerex Gauntlets effed up the 1st one on the 3rd pellet...
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Post by: Mawgawg on December 23, 2018, 04:21:57 PM
Ok, Thank you. So nothing extra needed for the with the probe. As for the mags, I have Marauder and Gauntlet both so I'll watch out for problems there. Gotta take advantage of that SANTA20 coupon, lol.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 23, 2018, 04:38:45 PM
Hoping to finally get back out in the woods tomorrow morning. Escape the honey do’s before my wife thinks about giving them to me. My gun is shooting much better then my last trip out with it. Hopefully I can score something for a nice dish on Christmas. I have been wondering about the poi shifts ppl have reported from the shroud. Has anyone found out the exact cause of those issues?  I usually rest my gun barrel on a branch or limb maybe a shooting stick when I decide to tote one. I haven’t had any issues as of yet just would like to know if I need to take special care of having any pressure on the shroud.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 23, 2018, 05:15:41 PM
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.

It's pre machined foster male... Now the mags, been using the Umerex Gauntlets effed up the 1st one on the 3rd pellet...

What kind of issues are you having with the magazines?  Just curious because I seem to have a lot more double feeds than I would expect.

Also, I got myself in a bit of a jam and need some help.  I was going to remove the hammer spring to add a couple washers and removed the wrong pin by mistake (don't ask, just a dumb move on my part).  Something shifted as I removed it and now I can' get it back where it belongs.  I believe the silver part inside the hammer spring hole (probably the shear) shifted, but I can't seem to get it aligned where it should be to get the pin back in.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by: huklbery on December 23, 2018, 05:24:45 PM
Can anyone tell me the thread size on the fill probe? I can't seem to find it mentioned. My hose is 1/8 foster female so I need a male fitting with the correct thread. Thanks in advance.


It's pre machined foster male... Now the mags, been using the Umerex Gauntlets effed up the 1st one on the 3rd pellet...

What kind of issues are you having with the magazines?  Just curious because I seem to have a lot more double feeds than I would expect.

Also, I got myself in a bit of a jam and need some help.  I was going to remove the hammer spring to add a couple washers and removed the wrong pin by mistake (don't ask, just a dumb move on my part).  Something shifted as I removed it and now I can' get it back where it belongs.  I believe the silver part inside the hammer spring hole (probably the shear) shifted, but I can't seem to get it aligned where it should be to get the pin back in.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

The tension on the 1st mag I tried seems low, on the third pellet I jamed the probe into the plastic as It had not cycled into alignment.  The Umarex mags which I seldom used as that beefy gauntlet I shoot single shot from a bench have been flawless for the 1st 200 pellets.

The spring block is *not* reversable, it has an orientation I assume its not the pin alignment but the depth from your note? 
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 23, 2018, 05:30:07 PM
I suspect the pin I removed is the pivot pin for the sear, but I'm having a heck of a time getting it realigned.  I have not removed or moved anything else, but without being to replace that pin in the hole on the sear, the gun is inoperable.  Just real tight quarters and I'm afraid to take it apart any further and have more parts come loose and get misaligned.  It's frustrating when ya just can'r get it back together!
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Post by: huklbery on December 23, 2018, 05:42:53 PM
I suspect the pin I removed is the pivot pin for the sear, but I'm having a heck of a time getting it realigned.  I have not removed or moved anything else, but without being to replace that pin in the hole on the sear, the gun is inoperable.  Just real tight quarters and I'm afraid to take it apart any further and have more parts come loose and get misaligned.  It's frustrating when ya just can'r get it back together!

https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo?t=2648

44 min in
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Post by: Lostcoast on December 23, 2018, 07:23:37 PM
I am about to order a Nova Vista Liberty from ATI. I've missed the conversation regarding its magazine - does the stock magazine have issues and if so what is the replacement mag to order? Thanks.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 23, 2018, 07:47:35 PM
Paul- my first time tearing down the rifle the same thing happened. I had to remove the entire trigger block to fix. It’ll save you a head ache if you just go that route. Not much to lose once you tap the pins out of the trigger block. The entire blade will come out and reveal a small hex mounting the trigger housing to the action. It’s pretty simple design.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 23, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
I am about to order a Nova Vista Liberty from ATI. I've missed the conversation regarding its magazine - does the stock magazine have issues and if so what is the replacement mag to order? Thanks.

Gauntlet magazines works as well as marauder mags. ATI sells extras though I believe.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 23, 2018, 07:57:14 PM
Mark & Frankie:  Thank you!  I have it back together and working again!  I need to figure out a way to break that video into different sections so I can go right to what I need!  Tons of great info in it, but sometimes it's hard to find what you need without watching all of it!  Thanks again for the help!

WRT the magazines, as far as I can tell, the ATI Liberty Magazines are identical to the Gauntlet magazines.  The Marauder magazines are just a bit narrower and fit on the loose side.  They work, they just don't seat as snuggly as the Gauntlet and ATI Liberty magazines do.  On Amazon you can get the Gauntlet mags for around $10 each with free Prime shipping.  ATI wants $14.95 plus shipping.  Marauder mags on Amazon are around $12.95 each.  I bought 2 Gauntlet .177 mags from Amazon and use them with the ATI Liberty mags, and can't tell the difference without looking at the back of the magazines.  The Gauntlet mags have the Umarex logo, the ATI Liberty mags and Marauder mags are blank.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 23, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Lostcoast, one of my two mags had to be replaced, just sent it to ATI Wednesday and am waiting on the replacement. Tried the normal fix that works on mrod mags but just didn't want to work on the Liberty mag. I bent the spring to increase the tension pushing it into the hole in the back plate but no matter what I tried it would pop out when I wound it to fill the mag, the other one works perfectly. I also use my three mrod mags with the Liberty and they work just fine, they just don't snap when you insert them in the breach but feed perfectly. Hope this helps.
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Post by: Lostcoast on December 23, 2018, 10:12:39 PM
Lostcoast, one of my two mags had to be replaced, just sent it to ATI Wednesday and am waiting on the replacement. Tried the normal fix that works on mrod mags but just didn't want to work on the Liberty mag. I bent the spring to increase the tension pushing it into the hole in the back plate but no matter what I tried it would pop out when I wound it to fill the mag, the other one works perfectly. I also use my three mrod mags with the Liberty and they work just fine, they just don't snap when you insert them in the breach but feed perfectly. Hope this helps.

Thanks very much for the mag information, gentlemen - very helpful.
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Post by: huklbery on December 24, 2018, 09:33:56 AM
Dealing with Chinese supplied material can be hit & miss.  Visualy the Nova Vista mags look identical to the Umarex ones (Thanfully Umarex has the back labled).  The Umarex ones are easy to find and seem to be best price in this case, so I would buy additional branded Umarex.

https://www.amazon.com/Umarex-USA-2252611-Gauntlet-Magazine/dp/B06WGMPS6K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545658129&sr=8-3&keywords=umarex+magazine (https://www.amazon.com/Umarex-USA-2252611-Gauntlet-Magazine/dp/B06WGMPS6K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1545658129&sr=8-3&keywords=umarex+magazine)
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Post by: Gbcool1 on December 24, 2018, 10:12:19 AM
Lostcoast, one of my two mags had to be replaced, just sent it to ATI Wednesday and am waiting on the replacement. Tried the normal fix that works on mrod mags but just didn't want to work on the Liberty mag. I bent the spring to increase the tension pushing it into the hole in the back plate but no matter what I tried it would pop out when I wound it to fill the mag, the other one works perfectly. I also use my three mrod mags with the Liberty and they work just fine, they just don't snap when you insert them in the breach but feed perfectly. Hope this helps.

Exact same issue here. What I did to fix mine was to put a drop of glue into the hole where the spring goes into the case. Haven’t had an issue since. Also, on the advice of this thread, I ordered two .22 Gauntlet mags from Amazon. Haven’t had a chance to shoot them yet, but I like the fit into the breech.

I sent one of my mags in for warranty replacement but I’ve not received one as of yet. In all fairness, I sent mine in right before the Black Friday promo and I know they got really busy shipping out these rifles so I will cut them a little slack.

The other difference I have noted is that the Gauntlet mags have 3 holes for spring in the base, which i assume means you can change th spring position to a different hole over time as the spring begins to fatigue.
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Post by: Chester on December 25, 2018, 08:38:20 AM
I hope this works, here is a link to the Spreadsheet Pat got from Jennifer.  It's pretty cool the way they laid it out.  Let me know if you can't download it and I'll try something else:
Thanks for the file. Just added it to my dropbox. Got a 22 liberty coming. Chet
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)

If anyone needs it i converted the spread sheet to PDF

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 25, 2018, 05:16:33 PM
Had a curious thing happen the last couple of days with my Liberty, the POI would shift every time I picked it up to shoot a new session. I checked all the bolts on the action to make certain it wasn't something loose causing the shift, also checked scope mounts and rings, but still issues with POI and groups had opened up also. Thought maybe the barrel was fouled so did an additional cleaning as this barrel in fairly tight, and thought all the shooting might have left residue in the barrel. Still, POI shifts continued in the next two sessions requiring me to adjust zero and not stacking pellets as before. Was starting to think my scope had gone wonky but before blaming the scope I tried one last thing, I opened the end of the shroud and removed the Crosman baffle from the NP2 I'd added. Next round I shot for group size and it had shrunk back to where it belonged, so I re-zeroed the scope and my shots continued to stack as before. Not sure why the rifle suddenly didn't like the baffles any longer but at least it's back to shooting as it had prior. It has more snap now with the NP2 baffles removed, but will gladly trade accuracy and consistency for sound suppression. Has anyone else had accuracy issues after adding the baffles to their shroud?
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 25, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
Tom, Haven't had a POI or accuracy issues with the baffle I installed.
Thanks for the heads up and will remember this if and when it starts happening.
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Post by: tracker1955 on December 26, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
Yes, thought it was odd myself, why was it fine when first installed then several days later decide to go wonky. Checked it again this morning and had that satisfying feeling when all ten shots went through the same hole. ;D I wanted to check it early before any wind came up to push it off center so I knew my zero was good.
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 26, 2018, 03:34:48 PM
I finally heard back from ATI about my leaky gun, it has been 3 weeks since they received it back.

They told me they have no way to pump the gun up to try to fix the leak and are going to be sending me a replacement with a wood stock like I asked for at no charge to me. Kind of upset that they kept me waiting for 3 weeks when they had no way to even test it/pump it up. Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs. At least they have gotten the parts diagrams for us.

I look forward to getting the gun back and plan on at least shimming the hammer spring.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on December 26, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
I finally heard back from ATI about my leaky gun, it has been 3 weeks since they received it back.

They told me they have no way to pump the gun up to try to fix the leak and are going to be sending me a replacement with a wood stock like I asked for at no charge to me. Kind of upset that they kept me waiting for 3 weeks when they had no way to even test it/pump it up. Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs. At least they have gotten the parts diagrams for us.

I look forward to getting the gun back and plan on at least shimming the hammer spring.
Yeah. They are a more firearms focused company as in Ar platform rifles. I think they will probably be getting more help on the airgun side of things though. Might be a good job opportunity for someone if they live close to them.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 27, 2018, 12:07:09 AM
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Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs.

Sounds like they though this was just going to be a commodity item akin to the powder burners they sell. Once they sell them they very rarely get returns or hear from the customer again.
I'm wondering if their now asking themselves what the heck have they gotten themselves into. Doesn't sound like they really thought this through.
I'd be very surprised to see them keep the contract for much more than a year.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 27, 2018, 06:17:00 AM
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Obviously airguns are not their main focus and I wouldn’t expect much help from them on problems/repairs.

Sounds like they though this was just going to be a commodity item akin to the powder burners they sell. Once they sell them they very rarely get returns or hear from the customer again.
I'm wondering if their now asking themselves what the heck have they gotten themselves into. Doesn't sound like they really thought this through.
I'd be very surprised to see them keep the contract for much more than a year.
+1 😳
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Post by: Bob Pratl on December 27, 2018, 06:24:54 AM
When they are having a SUPER SALE we will know that they are throwing in the towel.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on December 27, 2018, 06:33:44 AM
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When they are having a SUPER SALE we will know that they are throwing in the towel.

In a way I hope not because I don't need another air rifle no matter how much I like this one  ;D
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Post by: Gertrude on December 28, 2018, 02:30:34 PM
I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, but I really don't want to go reading thru 30+ pages to find it.

 Can any of you who have purchased this gun tell me how long it took to arrive once you had ordered and paid for it ?
Thanks
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 28, 2018, 02:34:57 PM
  5- 7 days to my door 3x
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Post by: Gertrude on December 28, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
Thank you
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Post by: SoCalZac on December 28, 2018, 03:14:55 PM
It seems that it takes a couple days for ATI to ship orders but once shipped mine arrived in a couple days. About a week total from the time I ordered to the time I received it.
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Post by: superchikn on December 28, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
I'm only a couple of states away but I ordered mine Cyber Monday night and received it that Friday.
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Post by: smythsg on December 28, 2018, 10:06:07 PM
Finally had a chance to take my synthetic .22 Liberty apart today to adjust the reg and shim the hammer spring. I did have the three small washers on the hammer spring guide and added two more 6mm washers as others have done. After marking the original position of the reg adjuster, I turned one quarter turn counter clockwise, and put everything back together. Again, many thanks to all on this thread that have gone before me and made my task so much easier.

The Liberty was filled to about 3800 psi and my first shot over the chrony with JSB 15.89 was over a 1000 fps. (WOW, was I surprised at the new power) I switched to JSB 18gn and they were shooting mid 940-960 fps, After that, 21 gn Baracudas were shooting between 870-890 fps. Very impressive power gains with so little effort. Maybe more power than I want for this rifle, as I might just go back and remove one of the 6mm washers to try to get JSB 18gn down to about 900 fps.

While adjusting, I backed out the trigger pull weight screw just a tad (it was all the way in) and it seems to have lightened the pull to a comfortable hunting trigger (I don't have a gauge) Overall I am very impressed with how adjustable this rifle really is, and what a great value the Liberty has become. Please, Please, Please, Nova Vista, bring out the Liberty in .25 cal !!!
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 28, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
 It is amazing  :o
Maybe I could just turn up the power to clear that 21 gr. NSA swagged hp out of my .177  ???
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Post by: pat585 on December 29, 2018, 03:28:18 PM
Just found another contender for accuracy in my wood .177 liberty. I have 14 different weight pellets & decided to narrow it down. Not surprising the wadcutters like low power. Then i tried some Benjamin Hollow point 7.9 gr at low power. 3/4 in group at 20 yds, not to good. Before i put them away i decided to try them on high power. Nine shoots went into the same hole! If anyone wants to try them i see they are $8.15 for 750 on Amazon now. These are plastic sealed to cardboard so even amazon shipping doesn't hurt them. 
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Post by: cosmic on December 30, 2018, 05:47:29 PM
Anyones first shot crazy high, then settles down ? I timed mine to about 45 minute to equal the fastest shot again.. After the first shot 1-30 minute not much of a difference in fps ...
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 30, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
Anyone having problems with double feeds?  This may be unique to the .177 due to the small pellet size.  This seems to happen at least once or twice every time I pull out the Liberty to shoot.  Sometime it just jams, other times it flips the pellet and feeds it backwards and other times it just loads two pellets.  It's not unique to one brand of pellet either.  Just curious what's up and how do I stop it from happening?
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Post by: nervoustrigger on December 30, 2018, 06:53:04 PM
Anyones first shot crazy high, then settles down ? I timed mine to about 45 minute to equal the fastest shot again.. After the first shot 1-30 minute not much of a difference in fps ...

That's a sign the regulator is creeping.  About how many pellets have you run through it so far?  Sometimes it takes a few hundred shots (open/close cycles of the regulator) to get the seat to wear in and seal well.

Also, if it's crazy high, it also means there is too much hammer strike and it's wasting air.  If you have shimmed the hammer spring, you should be able to back it out without losing any velocity...or trade off something like 20-30fps to gain a lot of shots. 
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 30, 2018, 07:08:18 PM
Thanks Jason!  I probably only have about 300-500 pellets through it so far.  I did shim the hammer spring to increase power, but it was doing this before I made any adjustments.  I'll pull one of the washers I used to shim the hammer spring and see if that helps.  Thank you for they feedback!
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 30, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
 My .177 double fed in the middle of a ft match, took it out and put the single shot tray in, never looked back into it yet. Might have something to do with pellet length ? I had switched from CPDH to air arms for that day, prior to that I had no issues.  ???
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 30, 2018, 07:24:42 PM
LOL, I forgot all about the single shot tray.  But, with the little .177 pellets I prefer the magazine since my fumble fingers would probably end up feeding more backwards by hand than those that flip in the magazine. 
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Post by: huklbery on December 30, 2018, 07:25:22 PM
Anyone having problems with double feeds?  This may be unique to the .177 due to the small pellet size.  This seems to happen at least once or twice every time I pull out the Liberty to shoot.  Sometime it just jams, other times it flips the pellet and feeds it backwards and other times it just loads two pellets.  It's not unique to one brand of pellet either.  Just curious what's up and how do I stop it from happening?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ12s6AxL0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ12s6AxL0w)

I suspect the contractor who copied the Umarex - Marauder - Theoben (may have missed some) got the spring tension wrong...
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on December 30, 2018, 07:29:22 PM
Good point Mark, unfortunately, the Liberty mag doesn't have the multiple holes for the spring like the Mrod mags do.  So, no option to adjust the tension other than going a whole other turn of the coil, which is probably way too much tension!
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Post by: cosmic on December 30, 2018, 07:44:47 PM
Over 1100 fps for the first shot. then 970-980 with 1 minute spacing from then on.. Thats the fastest I can get with the 13.5 jsb monsters.. wanting to shoot the 15.5 Nielsen slug..
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 30, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
Good point Mark, unfortunately, the Liberty mag doesn't have the multiple holes for the spring like the Mrod mags do.  So, no option to adjust the tension other than going a whole other turn of the coil, which is probably way too much tension!

 I would imagine that one could make some extra holes with a tiny drill or hot paperclip. On my Sentry mag I had to bend a slightly longer hook end on the spring , so it almost protruded out of the back of the hole.
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Post by: UhClem on December 31, 2018, 02:37:24 AM
That's a sign ...
Jason, check your messages (I sent you a time-sensitive PM, and hope you don't see it late).

Sorry for the interruption, everybody ... Happy New Year.

--UhClem  "Life is such monotony, without a good lobotomy." --R.H.
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Post by: Back_Roads on December 31, 2018, 09:12:14 PM
 Here are 2  5 shot groups I shot with NSA the one on the right 15. gr almost 1 hole, was shooting over crono, and not fully paying attention"what's new" . And the scattered almost touching was the 19. gr . both .177.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0)

 21 gr. stuck in the barrel @ factory power setting. I did a barrel slug and will dig up pics & measurements of that when I figure out where in the cloud they went  ::)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0)
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Post by: kzz1kaw on December 31, 2018, 09:30:45 PM
Here are 2  5 shot groups I shot with NSA the one on the right 15. gr almost 1 hole, was shooting over crono, and not fully paying attention"what's new" . And the scattered almost touching was the 19. gr . both .177.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vggrwvrh6ko5f7g/20181229_103004.jpg?dl=0)

 21 gr. stuck in the barrel @ factory power setting. I did a barrel slug and will dig up pics & measurements of that when I figure out where in the cloud they went  ::)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/79vl32t6szraj1k/20181229_115344.jpg?dl=0)
How many yards and what fps for the 15 and 19? Ordered the 15 to try in my 177’s
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Post by: Back_Roads on January 01, 2019, 12:23:37 AM
Well the 15.5 gr did great same hole @ 10m with an average FPS of 750. The 18 gr were doing 650 but over a 2" group @ 10m  ::). the next were the 21 gr. not so good .. waiting on a carbon fiber rod to arrive to solve that problem :'(
 
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Post by: cosmic on January 09, 2019, 12:41:37 PM
Well I put spacers on the hammer spring enough to barely compress the spring.. Just a perceptable amount of compression.. Also turned up the regulator another 3 dots..  Now shooting the JSB monsters at 1000, the Eunjins in the 900's and the ones i am really interested in the NSA 15.5 in the low 800's.. Is there anything to gain if I open up the barrel port ? Can i do that with a hand drill or do I need a drill press..
                                             Thanks,
                                                           Ray
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 10, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
I got one of the cheap clamp on chronographs from Aliexpress and was able to take some readings off my liberty this evening. I am thinking I need to turn the reg as it seems a little slow but IDK for sure. What do you guys think.

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Post by: Gertrude on January 10, 2019, 10:34:24 PM
I got one of the cheap clamp on chronographs from Aliexpress and was able to take some readings off my liberty this evening. I am thinking I need to turn the reg as it seems a little slow but IDK for sure. What do you guys think.

I dont think you'd want to run 14.3 CPHP's any faster than that.  You should see how well they group at 50+yds at this speed for a baseline if you do decide to turn up the reg.

In my experience, CPHP's usually start getting a little unstable beyond 865-875 fps.
 If you decide to run heavier pellets, you could probably get away with turning up the reg. to maintain the 850-900 speeds that most diablo type projectiles prefer to run at.

 Generally speaking, if you want to run pellets at speeds over 900 , they need to be a minimum of 25 or 28 grains.
Of course, Your mileage may vary.
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 10, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
Thanks I appreciate your help
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Post by: superchikn on January 10, 2019, 11:00:01 PM
When adjusting the regulator pressure, I know the gold disc is turned and i believe turning it clockwise looking from the muzzle end increases pressure.  Can someone confirm?
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 10, 2019, 11:02:13 PM
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Hi Matt, counterclockwise to increase power. No the shroud can stay on. I use a thin Alan key or any thing rod to spin the brass adjuster. I took off the shroud the first time and made a mark. Now I just push/spin the wheel with everything attached but you do have to remove the air. It way too much pressure otherwise.

This is what the Banker4 told me.
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Post by: superchikn on January 10, 2019, 11:07:26 PM
Matt,  which end of the gun is this looking from?
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 10, 2019, 11:11:02 PM
When he was explaining it on his video he was looking at front end of barrel.
That's what I understood from his PM to me and from his video.
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Post by: cosmic on January 10, 2019, 11:21:15 PM
If looking from the front of the barrel end counter clockwise or lefty lossey.. You should degas first...
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Post by: tracker1955 on January 11, 2019, 07:52:26 PM
When I increased my regulator pressure I was facing the brass disc with the little holes in it and turned it counter clockwise. If increasing you don't need to de-gass but you will if you want to decrease the reg pressure. I have my rifle set up to shoot H&N Barracudas on high at 33FPE and on low I can shoot 15.89 JSB's with almost the same aim point at 35 yards, Have not chrony'd the 15.89's so can't comment on the FPE. I'm sure it would probably be easier to adjust the reg with all the pressure off but increasing can be done carefully without it. I used the tip of an awl in one of the holes and tapped the awl to make it rotate.
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Post by: superchikn on January 11, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
Thanks Matt, Ray and Tom,

I have the tools to get to it and turn it.  So far I have about .05 shim to the spring and have drilled out the air passages to .180.  Have not turned the reg wheel yet but it is marked and I am thinking turn from 12 o'clock to 1 or 2 o'clock if i understood Stephens video correctly (actually that would be 11 or 10 o'clock).  just been taking it slow.  Got a chrony 2 weeks ago and my compressor this week so now degassing will not be a big deal ( was pumping til now).  Trying to tune incrementally to better track results. 
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Post by: tracker1955 on January 12, 2019, 12:13:23 AM
Ray, when I turned mine up I started with a hole at the 12 o-clock position and moved it to the 10 o-clock, this took H&N Barracudas from 31 FPE to 33.5 to 33.8 FPE and brought the JSB 18.13 grain heavies up to 30 FPE which was my goal. I also find my regulator works best as far as extreme spread is concerned when I don't charge my cylider above 3,500 psi. I shoot through 4 mags and then refill again. This works well as I currently only have 4 mags even though I could get more shots before dropping off the reg.
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Post by: Pursang on January 12, 2019, 09:40:56 AM
I got mine in 22 a couple of days ago. It came empty, so I was a little worried abou that, but I aired it up to 3000psi, and it has held for two days, so that's good. I cleaned the bore(yep,dirty), and fired it 10 or 15 times usint the iron sights. As stated here before, the trigger is good, just a little heavy. Mine didn't seem to have any first stage to it. I would like to lighten it a little, and add more of a first stage. All my trigger adjustment screws were screwed all the way in, so I have started by backing them off a little. How much have you been able to accomplish with the screws? I have read this thread thru and see a little conflicting info.

I put the Combro on the barrel for a couple of shots and got 760s with JSB 18.1s, so I would like to increase power some, but not looking for maximum power, maybe low to mid 900s with 15ish grain, and high 800s with the 18.1s. I guess I will tap the reg open a little, as I do have the three shims on hammer spring.

Overall I am very pleased with it, especially for the $272 delivered price using 20 off code. The stock is a little chunky, and has a bland color/finish, but I wasn't expecting AAA walnut. It does have a nice, functional shape to it.

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Post by: tracker1955 on January 12, 2019, 10:56:44 AM
Scott, I just followed the supplied instructions for adjusting the trigger, I have a nice first stage and a crisp break at an estimated 2 lbs. My only beef with the stock is that it's a bit heavy and a little slick if not gripping the checkering.
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Post by: cosmic on January 12, 2019, 05:10:40 PM
Front screw adjust the travel to the second stage .. One under the trigger is suppose to adjust the pull weight, the one behind the trigger is to adjust the second stage letoff..The one behind that does nothing.. If you want a much better trigger do this.. Remove the trigger and you will see the very rear one has to be removed this way..  Switch the one behind the trigger to the very rear hole and adjust it, and the one that one does nothing put behind the trigger..
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 13, 2019, 04:49:21 PM
I finally got to spend some time with the Liberty today. I'm really liking it so far. I've only put about 100 rounds through it so far but it is dang accurate with both CPHP and H&N FTT at 22 yards. It is muddy out on my 30-70 yard range and it is supposed to rain all this week so I will have to wait to test accuracy at further distances. My trigger has no first stage and the pull is pretty heavy pull it breaks cleanly every time.  Here is a 40 shot string from 3800PSI to 2800PSI. I think I probably could have gotten another 30-40 shots before falling off the regulator.




 
Front screw adjust the travel to the second stage .. One under the trigger is suppose to adjust the pull weight, the one behind the trigger is to adjust the second stage letoff..The one behind that does nothing.. If you want a much better trigger do this.. Remove the trigger and you will see the very rear one has to be removed this way..  Switch the one behind the trigger to the very rear hole and adjust it, and the one that one does nothing put behind the trigger..

Do I have to remove the trigger or just the trigger guard? I plan on doing this later today.
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Post by: cosmic on January 13, 2019, 05:34:08 PM
Zac, you have to remove the stock to get at the trigger pin..  Toward the barrel end of the plastic trigger housing there are two pins .. Remove the upper pin to take out the trigger..You will notice that the rear most trigger scew is put in upside down.. That  is why you need to remove the trigger..This is the one you need to remove and switch with the longer one behing the trigger..   
    So just put them with the head accessible like the rest, so you can adjust them.. Only the back one is the one you want to adjust.. The short one that you just put in the hole behind the trigger is there for a dust cover.. Cock the rifle and while holding the cocking lever, run the long screw you put in the back hole in until it trips the sear and releases the cocking lever.. Then adjust to your liking..
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Post by: Pursang on January 13, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
I removed my stock, and adjusted the reglulator, moving the hole at the 12 oclock position to about the 10 oclock position. I carefully tried to do it with air, but it wasn't moving with fairly gentle taps, so I didn't force it. I degassed it, and it moved easily. I didn't even need to tap, I could just push it with a thin piece of stiff music wire. I have not aired it back up, and tried it yet. Also, no hammer spring shimming yet.

Cosmic, I noticed the upside down screw you are talking about, but didn't do anything yet. I did back out the front screw, and middle screw a little. Didn't really seem to do much.

I'm having trouble posting pics from mobile(android). I can select my photo, and it's file name goes in the box, but doesn't seem to upload, and when I "preview post", no pic.

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Post by: cosmic on January 13, 2019, 07:58:44 PM
https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo
He gives a good look at it at about the 50 minute mark... Hope this works...
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 13, 2019, 10:11:40 PM
Thanks Ray moving the screws around made a world of difference on the pull. I don't have a trigger pull gauge but I would say it is around 2lbs now. Pretty light and crisp. I checked the washers on the HS since I was in there and I do have 3 washers on the spring. So far it seems pretty easy to work on especially with all the help here. Thanks everyone!
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Post by: tracker1955 on January 13, 2019, 10:34:39 PM
Glad to see you're enjoying it after your long wait, sorry that you had to go through that. I spent most of my summer sending rifles back and forth to Aim sports in California on the DAR rifles that wouldn't hold air. Finally got a refund then they recalled all of them. I'm surprised that your rifle is shooting the field target trophies well, mine didn't like them. The CPD's were ok, haven't tried the CPHP's but JSB 18.13's 15.89's and H&N Barracuda 21.14 shoot very well.
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 13, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
It is shooting both the FTT and CPHP very well. About a dime size at 22 yards. I know it’s not very far but it’s all I got in my backyard. This whole week is supposed to be raining so won’t get much if any shooting in. 🙁🙁 I cant wait until I test it at 50+ yards.

Has anyone tried H&N Piledrivers. I have a tin i bought on sale, my at44 doesn’t seem to like them much hopefully the Liberty will. They sound like they hit hard.
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Post by: superchikn on January 13, 2019, 11:49:15 PM
Crazy!!
Mine Has been shooting AA 18s the best with AA16s a real close second. JSB 18.13s were lousy but as of today after bumping the power they were the new best.   15.89s Have had their moments but nothing spectacular.  FTTs not at all.  Baracuda match - not bad but not there yet.  Gotta get some regular Baracudas.

All of this is at 30 yds.

CPDs and CPHP no dice.  CPDs will shoot a nice hole then throw one 4 or 5 inches away???

I do have piledrivers and it shoots them but not well at the power level i am at so far which is a little over 30 fpe.  I think need more speed.

JSB Ultrashocks at 25+ gr are shooting very well at 30 yds I cannot get paper at more than 30 yds at home so that is all I can tell you about those but i want to shoot them longer for sure.
I also have the Seneca round nose 28.5s.  I'm sure they need more speed too but they shoot well enough that I would use them on a groundhog or raccoon, but not a squirrel.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 14, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Working on a thumb hole walnut stock. About half done. Here are a few pics of my progress. I will post a video and some pics when it's complete.
Did I mention I love this gun and it deserves a beautiful stock.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 14, 2019, 01:15:24 PM
One more photo
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Post by: cosmic on January 14, 2019, 03:03:53 PM
Zac, the hammer spring washers are 6mm if you want a bit more speed.. I have a .177 and it didn't have any !!
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Post by: cosmic on January 14, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
STEVE. WOW !!!
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Post by: cosmic on January 14, 2019, 03:11:32 PM
If I had the tools I would make one with a much higher cheeckpiece .. Even most adjustable ones are to short.. High cheek bones I guess ... Maybe make one like on my 54 thats long gone..
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Post by: halr on January 14, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
I received my Nova Liberty last week. The rifle arrived with no air in the gun. I had no problems airing up the gun to 300 bar and my rifle had no leaks.  I put a few pellets through the rifle with the iron sights to check function and every thing works fine. I did notice that the bore on this rifle seems to be much tighter than on any of my other air rifles ( I have a FX Gladiator, Hatsan Gladius, Hatsan Flashpup, Umarex Gauntlet and a Crosman Marauder). I can feel the pellet being forced into the rifling at the end of the stroke. 

I have not chronographed the rifle yet. I put a scope on the rifle and got the rifle more of less zeroed. I shot the first group in the gun with Air Arms 16gr. pellets and to surprise the first group was 0.178 inches. The next groups opened up but that is because I need a much higher comb on the rifle due to some scope parallax issues. After the third group I padded up the comb with some rags and it helped bring the group sizes back down.

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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 14, 2019, 07:31:21 PM
One more photo
Can you do a YouTube video on how you are making a rifle stock as I would love to see your setup😎
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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 14, 2019, 07:32:22 PM
STEVE. WOW !!!
+1😎
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Post by: tracker1955 on January 14, 2019, 08:20:21 PM
Cosmic, what about the 3/8's or 5/8's pads at the bottom of this page? Also can you use lower rings or would your scope touch the shroud?

https://godagrip.com/cheek-pads-2/
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Post by: Fwawa20 on January 15, 2019, 01:07:38 AM
Stephen, looks like you are having fun with this little jewel. Can’t wait to see the stock after you are finished.
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 15, 2019, 11:07:06 AM
Ray thanks for the washer size. Steve that stock looks like it’s going to be awesome. Can’t wait to see it all finished up.
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Post by: superchikn on January 15, 2019, 12:57:13 PM
Guys, 
I had GEO print up some K baffles, and expansion chamber wrapped in felt and dropped those and a spring in my shroud last night.  The result was nothing more than a soft poof at about 31fpe.  The 18 gr pellet hitting a branch in a tree about 100' away was three times as loud as the report.  This is much much better than the Benjamin baffle and much better then the 4 other baffles I had been using from somewhere else.  GEO and I are working on a drop in set that you can order directly from him.  We are trying to fine tune the setup a bit as I had just requested some generic pieces. BTW this all drops in under the factory shroud cap.

Geo does really nice work and is a great guy to do business with!

More to follow.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 15, 2019, 01:08:02 PM
Who is GEO and how do I contact him if?
If and when I get my Liberty back from ATI it sounds like an upgrade I should do.

Thanks!

Matt
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Post by: superchikn on January 15, 2019, 01:59:41 PM
Geo Schoonmaker,  He is a member here.  Do a search.  We should probably have something within a few days.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 15, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
Guys, 
I had GEO print up some K baffles, and expansion chamber wrapped in felt and dropped those and a spring in my shroud last night.  The result was nothing more than a soft poof at about 31fpe.  The 18 gr pellet hitting a branch in a tree about 100' away was three times as loud as the report.  This is much much better than the Benjamin baffle and much better then the 4 other baffles I had been using from somewhere else.  GEO and I are working on a drop in set that you can order directly from him.  We are trying to fine tune the setup a bit as I had just requested some generic pieces. BTW this all drops in under the factory shroud cap.

Geo does really nice work and is a great guy to do business with!

More to follow.

Hey Ray, that sounds great. Please let everyone know when you have them for sale. Thanks
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Post by: superchikn on January 15, 2019, 02:28:26 PM
I will.  Geo does the engineering, printing, selling shipping etc.  Lets just say i dragged him into this one or made him aware or whatever.



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Post by: Back_Roads on January 15, 2019, 08:07:06 PM
 Great to read GEO has something in the works, Is there a list of LDCs etc. that he has for sale ?
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Post by: smythsg on January 15, 2019, 09:53:11 PM
Ray thanks to you and GEO for working out the details. I will certainly be interested when everything is ready.
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Post by: superchikn on January 15, 2019, 09:56:43 PM
Back_Roads,
  I don't know what all Geo has available, PM him.  My first contact was a few weeks ago, I ordered his LDC for stock barreled 1322.  I was so impressed with it I asked him to print me some baffles in .177 and .22 to experiment with.  The price was right so I ordered 10 of each and he generously threw in some expansion chambers and felt.  I asked for the baffles in 15 mm OD which fits the carbon fiber tubes i have and the Liberty shroud. 
Geo and I had a great conversation tonight and he is working on some design updates for testing.  I think it will be more than a few days but will keep everyone in the loop.

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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 15, 2019, 10:27:51 PM
Making progress on the thumb hole stock. coming better than I thought it would.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 15, 2019, 10:28:26 PM
a little closer look
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Post by: nervoustrigger on January 15, 2019, 11:01:02 PM
Excellent work, sir!
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Post by: Gertrude on January 15, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
That's coming along VERY NICELY !
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 15, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
Very nicely done Stephen!
Many thanks for keeping us up to date.
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Post by: SoCalZac on January 15, 2019, 11:45:11 PM
That looks great I can’t wait to see it all finished up.
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Post by: tracker1955 on January 16, 2019, 09:14:17 AM
+1 very nice
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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 16, 2019, 09:45:24 AM
a little closer look
Very nice 👍🏾 would like to make my own. How did you make it?
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on January 16, 2019, 11:49:48 AM
Stephen, what an awesome job on the stock, and its not even finished or stained. Do you have some wood working shop tools or was that cut down with hand tools?  How did you cut the round 1/2  circle for the pressure tube to sit in? I want to modify my original wood stock to lighten it up and take some of the bulk from the forearm. (Too thick for my hands) but I only have hand tools, and a cheap belt sander. Thinking I need some wood files or rasps.

Wife says "No guts no glory".  She's a pretty good sport about most things.
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Post by: grand-galop on January 16, 2019, 12:04:42 PM
Stephen!  Will a video of your achievement will follow?? This is looking nice.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 16, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
Hey Ken Mike and Alain, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I will post a video as soon as I'm done.

I cut the groove for the air tube using a 1 3/8 inch core box router bit. I did spend about $700 in tools to make this stock. I bought a Bosch 2. 1/4 HP router, grizzly pro rolling sander, a jig saw, Rigid Oscillating spindle/belt sander, rasps, files and chisles. Most of the work is done by hand. I do a have some blisters on my hands.but it's worth it.

I just finished the last fine tuning and shaping the grip today. It looks so "dang" good.
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Post by: Eddie_E on January 16, 2019, 07:05:28 PM
Stephen, did you find some  templates for stock measurements or did you just start with the length of pull and guess at the rest?
 
 I'm thinking about something like that with my BSA. I'll probably slide the action back to roughly where your cheek riser starts though and design a trigger linkage.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 16, 2019, 07:45:19 PM
Hey Ken Mike and Alain, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I will post a video as soon as I'm done.

I cut the groove for the air tube using a 1 3/8 inch core box router bit. I did spend about $700 in tools to make this stock. I bought a Bosch 2. 1/4 HP router, grizzly pro rolling sander, a jig saw, Rigid Oscillating spindle/belt sander, rasps, files and chisles. Most of the work is done by hand. I do a have some blisters on my hands.but it's worth it.

I just finished the last fine tuning and shaping the grip today. It looks so "dang" good.
That stock looks awesome 👏🏾 where did you buy the wood?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 16, 2019, 07:48:43 PM
Stephen, did you find some  templates for stock measurements or did you just start with the length of pull and guess at the rest?
 
 I'm thinking about something like that with my BSA. I'll probably slide the action back to roughly where your cheek riser starts though and design a trigger linkage.

I made a template on card board using the front of the Nova synthetic stock ( from just behind the trigger to the front of the stock on the Nova) and the back of the Kral puncher Jumbo thumb hole stock. I basically just put the stocks on the paper and traced it with a pencil. I knew that the Kral Jumbo has a lenth of pull of 13.5". I just increased the length of pull by 1 inch to 14.5".
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 16, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Hey Ken Mike and Alain, thanks for the kind words. Yes, I will post a video as soon as I'm done.

I cut the groove for the air tube using a 1 3/8 inch core box router bit. I did spend about $700 in tools to make this stock. I bought a Bosch 2. 1/4 HP router, grizzly pro rolling sander, a jig saw, Rigid Oscillating spindle/belt sander, rasps, files and chisles. Most of the work is done by hand. I do a have some blisters on my hands.but it's worth it.

I just finished the last fine tuning and shaping the grip today. It looks so "dang" good.
That stock looks awesome 👏🏾 where did you buy the wood?

I bought it from a local lumber yard near me in Oceanside NY. I went crazy looking for a piece of walnut and this lumber yard had this one old peice laying around.
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Post by: smythsg on January 16, 2019, 11:15:47 PM
WOW, impressive work Stephen!
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on January 18, 2019, 07:39:42 AM
When passion replaces patience, brilliant things happen, including blisters, & loss of sleep!
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Post by: Fwawa20 on January 18, 2019, 11:07:22 AM
Anyone have all the sizes of the Orings yet? If I missed the chart can someone point me back to the page that states all sizes. 
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Post by: pat585 on January 18, 2019, 01:43:44 PM
Frankie= It's page 23, the last post on the page.
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Post by: Back_Roads on January 18, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
 I am riposting the link, wow that's alot of digging to find. Saved to my files ;) https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mk11xvnukz5fwy/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.xlsx?dl=0)
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 19, 2019, 01:40:17 AM
Many thanks James!
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Post by: Lastdog on January 19, 2019, 08:11:06 AM
Thanks James. Great info.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 20, 2019, 09:24:15 PM
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 20, 2019, 10:04:58 PM
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.
Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 20, 2019, 11:30:39 PM
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.
Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?

Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
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Post by: Fwawa20 on January 20, 2019, 11:33:07 PM
Looks good I’ll prob do the same. It can’t hurt anything if done right. Looks like the right move to me Steve.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on January 21, 2019, 02:25:55 AM
I took a chance and re-crowned the Nova Liberty barrel. Has anyone tried re-crowning and if so any luck? It's too cold to try and test out if my re-crowning has improved anything. I don't think it will hurt.
Looks pretty good to me. I recrown all my barrels using a crowning tool 11 degree offset and yes it does increase accuracy for sure😎 what did you use to recrown the barrel?

Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?
Currently overseas and cannot remember the brand cutter I use😳 here is a similar one that I use
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/665761/ptg-11-degree-muzzle-crown-facing-tool-with-22-caliber-to-6mm-4-pilot-set-217-218-219-236 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/665761/ptg-11-degree-muzzle-crown-facing-tool-with-22-caliber-to-6mm-4-pilot-set-217-218-219-236)
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 21, 2019, 04:21:53 AM
Quote
Currently overseas and cannot remember the brand cutter I use😳 here is a similar one that I use

Be safe and thank you for your service.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 21, 2019, 07:29:59 AM

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Currently overseas and cannot remember the brand cutter I use😳 here is a similar one that I use
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/665761/ptg-11-degree-muzzle-crown-facing-tool-with-22-caliber-to-6mm-4-pilot-set-217-218-219-236 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/665761/ptg-11-degree-muzzle-crown-facing-tool-with-22-caliber-to-6mm-4-pilot-set-217-218-219-236)
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Thank you for the recommendation and more importantly thank you for your service.
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Post by: RichH on January 21, 2019, 09:56:48 AM

Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?

Wait, you went from pic on right to pic on left with just a brass screw and grinding compound? Is the barrel that soft?
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Post by: Pursang on January 21, 2019, 10:09:35 AM

Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?

Wait, you went from pic on right to pic on left with just a brass screw and grinding compound? Is the barrel that soft?


The question should be, "are you that patient?"
:)
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Post by: AVS Stephen on January 21, 2019, 12:01:02 PM

Hey Ken, I used a very technologically advanced and highly sophisticated brass screw and valve grinding compound. Lol maybe I should invest in a special crowning tool. Can you recommend one?

Wait, you went from pic on right to pic on left with just a brass screw and grinding compound? Is the barrel that soft?

First I used a dermel round ball grinder ever so gently and then a brass screw with valve grinding for about 5 minutes.
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Post by: RichH on January 21, 2019, 02:44:50 PM


First I used a dermel round ball grinder ever so gently and then a brass screw with valve grinding for about 5 minutes.

Ok that makes a bit more sense. I could see the dremel being able to take that metal off, thanks for replying back
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Post by: TheSaint on January 21, 2019, 03:30:34 PM
Re-crowned (11deg target) and re-worked the leade on one of mine. Found no difference between the two in accuracy.

But can't see how it could hurt...
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 21, 2019, 03:46:46 PM
Mike - B.B. Pelletier did some pretty extensive testing awhile back on "Air Gun Academy" (Pyramyd Air) about a year ago and his findings matched yours.
He recrowned some of his air rifles and found no real difference.
I tried finding the write up doing a search but no luck.
I noticed that the results here are an improvement in accuracy. Makes the finding that much more interesting.
Hope this doesn't stir a hornets nets. It's not meant to. Just thought I'd interject findings from the article and what Mike found.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on January 21, 2019, 03:54:20 PM
STOP THE PRESS........found the article. It was back in 2011! My how time flies!

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/09/the-importance-of-the-crown/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/09/the-importance-of-the-crown/)


The importance of the crown
Posted on September 15, 2011 by B.B. Pelletier

by B.B.Pelletier
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Post by: nervoustrigger on January 21, 2019, 03:59:44 PM
Just a tip on touching up a crown.  If the crown has some nasty chatter or burrs that you want to first remove with an aggressive method like a stone or carbide burr, a handheld variable speed drill at low speed will provide excellent control so as to avoid removing too much material.   And as always, don’t try to hold it straight on or you risk cutting an uneven bevel.  Instead, orbit the drill body as you grind.  Either one will remove material so fast that you really won’t be able to complete more than an orbit or two before enough material is gone so use a very light touch...just enough to keep the bit in contact with the workpiece.

For the polishing step, be sure to select a brass screw with an equal or smaller radius than the previous tool.  That way you can be sure it polishes the part that matters which is just the inflection point where the bore meets the bevel.  Polishing the entire bevel is unnecessary...that just makes it pretty.
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Post by: cosmic on January 21, 2019, 05:00:11 PM
I haven't touched mine yet but I do it on all my airguns..
    A bit of insight on the .177 .. I pulled the barrel and was going to message the barrel port and the power adjuster..  Well surprise both are about maxed.. 9/64th or .140, so about 80% .... Now mine seems to have something under the rear setscrew so I couldn't see all the way to the valve, but it may be about maxed also.. Let me know If you do...
                  Ray
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Post by: cosmic on January 22, 2019, 05:11:15 PM
I sent a pm to Steve (thebanker ) and he said there is a o ring or poly tubing in the last barrel screw and he removed it to get clear access down to the valve.. I am wondering if the factory opened the valve port like they did on the barrel and the power adjuster.. It is worth a look..  Mine is a .177..
                                    Ray
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Post by: Abefroman on January 25, 2019, 09:10:27 AM
woo hoo.  tracking shows my Nova Vista Liberty should be delivered today.  got the .22 wood stock.  looks like I'll be busy this weekend !!!
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Post by: stretch on January 25, 2019, 09:20:36 AM
woo hoo.  tracking shows my Nova Vista Liberty should be delivered today.  got the .22 wood stock.  looks like I'll be busy this weekend !!!

I ordered the same thing.  How long did it take for them to ship it after you placed your order?
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 25, 2019, 11:48:45 PM
I got one of the cheap clamp on chronographs from Aliexpress and was able to take some readings off my liberty this evening. I am thinking I need to turn the reg as it seems a little slow but IDK for sure. What do you guys think.

I dont think you'd want to run 14.3 CPHP's any faster than that.  You should see how well they group at 50+yds at this speed for a baseline if you do decide to turn up the reg.

In my experience, CPHP's usually start getting a little unstable beyond 865-875 fps.
 If you decide to run heavier pellets, you could probably get away with turning up the reg. to maintain the 850-900 speeds that most diablo type projectiles prefer to run at.

 Generally speaking, if you want to run pellets at speeds over 900 , they need to be a minimum of 25 or 28 grains.
Of course, Your mileage may vary.

Yes my mileage is different. I run CPHP 14.3 above 950fps out of my Gauntlet and I can hit a birds head at 50yards (2 confirmed kills). And a light pole at 100 yards. It's not that unstable...seems to flight as straight as the wind allows.

My Liberty drives them at 950fps stock setting. I opened the barrel port to 85% of .217 and got maximum 990fps and min 970fps. This is just barrel porting, not shimming hammer spring or turning the reg adjuster yet.
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Post by: Gertrude on January 26, 2019, 04:42:19 PM
Ok guys a little help please so I don't bave to go through 35 pages.
I am sitting on the firing line as I type this, and do not have the manual with me. This is oh the second time out with the gun.
I want to lighten the trivger5 pull weight.
What screw do I adjust ?
Thanks
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Post by: TheSaint on January 26, 2019, 05:30:36 PM
Ron,
You'll have to remove the trigger group to lighten the trigger the correct way. It involves removing the rear most screw, and moving it to the hole that has the blanking screw in it.

It takes some trial and error. Don't think it can be done at the range unless you have the tools with you and about an hour.
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Post by: Gertrude on January 26, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
Thanks
Yeah, probably not going to do that here at the range.
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Post by: cosmic on January 26, 2019, 06:09:15 PM
Yes just swap the screws , The one behind the trigger with the one all the way back.. You will have to remove the trigger since the back dust cover screw is put in upsidedown, head toward the breech.. Swap and adjust until it trips the sear, adjust back until you like it. If you back it off enough the safety will work...
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Post by: TheSaint on January 26, 2019, 06:24:07 PM
Ron,
Even with the heavy trigger, and without upping the reg, shimming the hammer spring or opening up the barrel port to 11/16 th's, what are your initial thoughts about the Nova?
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Post by: Gertrude on January 27, 2019, 02:05:01 AM
Ron,
Even with the heavy trigger, and without upping the reg, shimming the hammer spring or opening up the barrel port to 11/16 th's, what are your initial thoughts about the Nova?

Well, All I can fairly comment on is the firing cycle, and the smoothness of the cocking lever. Both seem very nice and function very smoothly.
 I can not comment on how well it groups due to we got completely blown out with wind today. maybe nexy weekend I can do some groupings and shot strings.

 Hopefully I'll get some time during the week to take a inside look at it and do the trigger work while I'm in there.
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 27, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
Hey guys. I got a problem with my Liberty. I am now unable to pull the lever back to load. Still air in tube and pellets in mag. It got stuck pretty good. Im Suspecting the hammer and trigger mechanism got bind up somewhere. Anyone had this problem?
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Post by: Back_Roads on January 27, 2019, 11:50:51 AM
 Is the mag stuck in the receiver ?
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 27, 2019, 01:10:17 PM
I tore it up and found a loose screw underneath the lever.
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Post by: Lastdog on January 27, 2019, 05:56:34 PM
Any pictures? Like to know what screw I need to lock tight.
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 27, 2019, 07:02:08 PM
Should be a Philips head under the lever linkage.
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Post by: Lastdog on January 27, 2019, 09:29:17 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 27, 2019, 09:41:09 PM
I haven't seen anyone talk about working on the valve yet. So here's what the valve looks like. There are some areas I think it can be improved upon.
 
I think I am going to mill some 45 degree angles here and there and open up the trench.
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Post by: Abefroman on January 28, 2019, 11:44:12 AM
Ok, I got my Liberty .22 wood stock in saturday 1-26-2019.  I immediately cleaned the barrel and it didn't seem that it was all that dirty.  I ran 4 patches through it, then a mop.

pumped it up to 4000 then started shooting it.  initially, over my cheapo chrony, it was shooting CPHP 14.3 around 790 fps, then started shooting faster.  after around 40 - 50 rounds and topping up the cylinder, it was shooting CPHP around 860 fps.

then something really strange happened - I switched to JSB Heavy 18.13 and it was shooting exactly the same as the CPHP 14.3 !!!!  WHAT ?  so I loaded up a few more magazines with both CPHP and the JSB's and,  exactly the same FPS !!!    After a few more fills and a lot more shooting, it maxed out around 890 FPS

So, the next day - sunday - I started shooting again and it stared out around 790 FPS, but gradually increased to around 850. 

Does the barrel need to "warm up" or something ?  why does it start out low and eventually creep up in FPS ?   Maybe it needs to "break in" some ?  I'm assuming that it's regulated, so I would think that the FPS should stay pretty constant, right ?

So, I took it apart, turned the brass regulator disk 180 degrees counterclockwise, then added two washers to the hammer spring = 0.1 inch added.   I then shot it over the cheapo chinese chrony and maxed out at around 980 FPS with the 14.3 CPHP.

I dont know how you guys are getting 950 FPS right out of the box and 1050 FPS with 18 grain JSB's after reg adjustment and hammer shimming !!! ???

This morning I ordered a Competition Electronics ProChrono Digital Chronograph

Hopefully, a lot of my strange readings are due to the crappy chinese cheapo chrono I was using !!!    ProChrono should be here wednesday 1-30-19 and I plan to repeat all of my testing

So far, I really like the gun, however, the FPS and accuracy is all over the place.   But, maybe its just me, the cheapy chrono, and maybe it needs a several hundred pellets through it.   I guess time will tell.

one other note - after ONLY TWO uses, the magazines broke.  I took them apart, fixed them, but the spring keeps coming out of the little hole in the back piece.  I stretched the coils on the spring on one of them, put it back together, and it kinda works.  I need to do the same to the other magazine.  However, both of my Gauntlet magazines work flawlessly in the gun.  In fact, they seem to fit the breech even better than the 2 mags that came with the gun.  The original mags seem to be a little too thick in the breech and dont let the internal wheel rotate freely.  I'll probably file down the body of the magazine just a little bit to see if I can get it to fit and work better.

Right now, my Gauntlet is more accurate, but the fact that the Liberty can be adjusted and made much more powerful, and especially the awesome cocking lever mechanism,  I'm definitely keeping it.

one more note..  IT AINT LOUD !!!  in fact, it's probably quieter than my gauntlet.  I ordered the crosman silencer from pyramid air, but, I'm not sure I'm even gonna need it !

Thats it for now... please comment !!! 
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Post by: darkcharisma on January 28, 2019, 12:41:23 PM
My liberty did the same at first. 850fps then 950fps with 14.3grains. I just fill it to 3600psi and shoot it down to 2400psi to keep the spreads low. The point of impact seems to change from left to right as the fps increases.

 
I shimmed the hammer spring and turn 1/4 turn on the wheel. Now it's shooting like it's unregulated from 1050 constantly down to 950 with 14.3 grains. This is after a barrel port and shortened regulator pin on the input side. The brass wheel adjusts tention on your valve spring. So you have to play with your hammer tention and the brass wheel to get Your desired fps within a shot string. There's no way to tell what the regulator is doing unless you mounted a nanometer in the plenum

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on January 28, 2019, 12:50:10 PM
Anyone have pictures of the 2 trigger screws you are swapping to improve the trigger action? 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on January 28, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
why does it start out low and eventually creep up in FPS ?   Maybe it needs to "break in" some ?  I'm assuming that it's regulated, so I would think that the FPS should stay pretty constant, right ?

Couple of possibilities.  One is the issue that Duy described, that the regulator is nonlinear and its setpoint is higher when the reservoir is filled to near max pressure.  With the symptom you are experiencing, what would be happening is the gun would be operating at a partial valve lock.  The pressure in the valve is higher, therefore the hammer is unable to knock it open sufficiently and the velocity is reduced.  Note the opposite velocity trend would occur if the hammer were hitting the valve harder...the velocity would start high and then taper off as the fill pressure falls.

The other possibility is the regulator is creeping.  Meaning when the gun sits idle for a while, high pressure from the reservoir seeps slowly through the regulator.  Thus the first shot will be slower than expected (or faster, depending on how strongly the hammer is hitting the valve).  In some cases it can persist for a few shots, however for a gun at this power level and assumed plenum volume, I would expect it to only affect the first shot, maybe 2 shots.  So if you're seeing the velocity gradually rise over several shots, I'd be more inclined to blame it on the nonlinearity that Duy described.

I don't know how one would go about addressing nonlinearity.  I would think that's a fundamental design fault.  The closing force is varying substantially with input pressure.

Creeping on the other hand is fairly typical with a new regulator, and may go away with some break in as the regulator's valve seat material wears in to match that of the piston.

In both cases, your best bet is to carefully adjust the hammer spring to find the velocity knee.  That's where the system will be least sensitive to variations in pressure.  To find the knee, keep increasing hammer spring preload until the velocity no longer increases.  The back off until the velocity falls to about 97% of that maximum.  So if it maxes out at 950fps, back off until it's about 850 * 0.97 = 825fps.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on January 28, 2019, 02:25:36 PM
Umm, Ok, did you mean that if it maxes out at 950, to adjust down to .97 x 950 = 920 ???

right now the regulator has one half turn (180 deg.) counterclockwise on it   The hammer spring has been shimmed by 0.1 inch.

should I adjust the regulator ?  increase ? decrease ?
should I add more shims to the hammer spring ?

I would imagine that I should (like you said) set the regulator adjuster and then add shims to the hammer spring until the FPS maxes out, and then remove hammer shims until I get 0.97% of max velocity.  At that point, if I dont get the velocity I'm after, adjust the regulator again, and then add/delete hammer shims until max, then remove to 975.

a very iterative process.

I think first I'll adjust the barrel port, then go from there.

thanks !!!

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on January 28, 2019, 02:52:58 PM
Anyone have pictures of the 2 trigger screws you are swapping to improve the trigger action?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1555137#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1555137#new)
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Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on January 28, 2019, 03:41:22 PM
Thank you!  Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do...  Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up.  Thanks again for the link!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on January 28, 2019, 03:44:25 PM
Umm, Ok, did you mean that if it maxes out at 950, to adjust down to .97 x 950 = 920 ???

The 850fps was just an example.  Your 950fps example is a perfectly fine approximation.

right now the regulator has one half turn (180 deg.) counterclockwise on it   The hammer spring has been shimmed by 0.1 inch.

should I adjust the regulator ?  increase ? decrease ?
should I add more shims to the hammer spring ?

Best strategy depends on your goal.

Adjusting the hammer spring preload is usually the easiest so I like to start there...increase it until the velocity plateaus (maxes out).  If it's not where I want it, my options are to adjust the regulator or adjust the porting.

If the velocity is lower than I want, I will consider increasing both the porting and the regulator setpoint.  If the porting is anemic--say, 50% of bore diameter--I'll open it up to 75% or 80%.  That's about max for the barrel port, any bigger and pellets may dip into the port on loading and get damaged (if you want larger than that, the port needs to be oval).  If it's already already in the vicinity of 75% of the bore diameter, I'll move on to the regulator.

If instead the velocity is higher than I want, I will reduce the regulator setpoint.  Not much reason to reduce the porting on a regulated rifle...unless you can do it on the fly with a restrictor screw or similar feature.

In either scenario, the follow up step is adjust the hammer spring preload and find the plateau, then back down to about 97% of that.

I would imagine that I should (like you said) set the regulator adjuster and then add shims to the hammer spring until the FPS maxes out, and then remove hammer shims until I get 0.97% of max velocity.

Correct!

At that point, if I dont get the velocity I'm after, adjust the regulator again, and then add/delete hammer shims until max, then remove to 975.  A very iterative process.

Usually not that much trial and error involved.  If you were trying to take a 600fps rifle up to 900fps, yeah it might take several iterations to get there.  If your target is 950 and you're at 850, you can probably get there in a couple of attempts.

I think first I'll adjust the barrel port, then go from there.

Nothing wrong with starting there.  Try enlarging it to around the 75% mark.  For .22 cal, you can get close with a 5/32" or 11/64" (standard fractional sizes) or a #20 numbered bit.  Just bear in mind there may be other restrictions in the path that need to be dealt with so if you have the valve out at some point, take a close look at it as well. 

I'm attaching at little spreadsheet that you can plug your numbers into and see where the restrictions are:

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5368)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on January 28, 2019, 05:16:32 PM
Thank you!  Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do...  Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up.  Thanks again for the link!
Paul, I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic.  As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment).  The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw.

 Three screws are not required as one one at the rear of the trigger marked 4 and shown at position 1 in the schematic, is a dust cap.  The trigger needs to be removed to access the hex recess in the dust cap and unscrew it.  At this point you can either replace it with a longer screw or you may be able to swap it with the # 2 screw (if it is long enough).  I installed the longer set screws in position  1 and 2 so I could experiment.

So far I have not figured out if I can use both for a two stage trigger.  The #3 screw at the front of the trigger needs to be replaced to adjust the trigger position unless you have large hands.  I adjust the #3 screw to position the trigger to a comfortable position and then turn the screw at #1 position until I can no longer cock the gun then back it off just enough to cock reliably.
I put a lighter spring under the trigger but it did not make a great difference.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on January 28, 2019, 05:35:58 PM
Jason,
Thank You for the tuning tutorial, I have been wondering what my next steps should be and now I have a direction.  Greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on January 29, 2019, 08:50:48 AM
Jason,
Thank You for the tuning tutorial, I have been wondering what my next steps should be and now I have a direction.  Greatly appreciated.

Hey Superchikn - what 6-24 x 50 scope are you using on your Nova Liberty ?  I've got a 6-24 x 50 CVLife scope on my .22 gauntlet from amazon ($38) and I love them.  I recently bought a discovery vt-z 6-24 x 44 and I'm on the fence whether I like it or not.

cheers
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on January 29, 2019, 09:26:38 AM
Jason,
Thank You for the tuning tutorial, I have been wondering what my next steps should be and now I have a direction.  Greatly appreciated.

Hey Superchikn - what 6-24 x 50 scope are you using on your Nova Liberty ?  I've got a 6-24 x 50 CVLife scope on my .22 gauntlet from amazon ($38) and I love them.  I recently bought a discovery vt-z 6-24 x 44 and I'm on the fence whether I like it or not.

cheers
Yup its one of those from Amazon.  I think it is Bestsight.  I love it for $40.  I have the same one on my XS60-C as well but a different name.

Mine focus sharply at full power.
I have a UTG 4- 16 x 50 and a Hammers 4-12 x 40 of which neither focus as sharply as my $40 scopes let alone at full power.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on January 29, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Sorry but I've been obsessed with the thumb hole stock. Almost done just have to finish the wood with Tru-Oil. Video will follow if you want to make one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on January 29, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
Sorry but I've been obsessed with the thumb hole stock. Almost done just have to finish the wood with Tru-Oil. Video will follow if you want to make one.

That looks amazing!  I'm looking forward to your video, but I'm afraid I don't have that kind of talent, even with a how-to video!  Awesome job!
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Post by: cosmic on January 29, 2019, 12:01:22 PM
SWEET !!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on January 29, 2019, 12:05:42 PM
That looks real good. Please make a video I would like to see the process and one day tackle that job. Wow! I might have to laminate red oak...don't know if redoak is good for stocks. Where do you get wanut?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on January 29, 2019, 12:16:27 PM
Trigger shot is about the 50 minute mark.. Steve does a great job on showing it....
https://youtu.be/_Yzb6XzQvTo
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on January 29, 2019, 05:00:35 PM
This is the nsa 15.5 slug  removed from chamber on my .177.. Maybe the barrel is to tight for them... The flattened nose is from removal...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
Thank you!  Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do...  Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up.  Thanks again for the link!
What size length are the ball tipped set screws? Any pics? Where did you buy them ? Would like to order some. Good mod idea👍🏾😎
What size length are the ball tip set screws? Any pics of them ? Where did you get them
Paul I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic.  As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment).  The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw.  Three screws are not required as one one at the rear of the trigger marked 4 and shown at position 1 in the schematic, is a dust cap.  The trigger needs to be removed to access the hex recess in the dust cap and unscrew it.  At this point you can either replace it with a longer screw or you may be able to swap it with the # 2 screw (if it is long enough).  I installed the longer set screws in position  1 and 2 so I could experiment.  So far I have not figured out if I can use both for a two stage trigger.  The #3 screw at the front of the trigger needs to be replaced to adjust the trigger position unless you have large hands.  I adjust the #3 screw to position the trigger to a comfortable position and then turn the screw at #1 position until I can no longer cock the gun then back it off just enough to cock reliably.
I put a lighter spring under the trigger but it did not make a great difference.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 06:20:17 PM
Sorry but I've been obsessed with the thumb hole stock. Almost done just have to finish the wood with Tru-Oil. Video will follow if you want to make one.
You did an amazing job on the stock😳👍🏾
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 06:20:57 PM
Thank you!  Still not sure I fully understand what I need to do...  Maybe it will make more sense once I have it opened up.  Thanks again for the link!
What size length are the ball tipped set screws? Any pics? Where did you buy them ? Would like to order some. Good mod idea👍🏾😎
What size length are the ball tip set screws? Any pics of them ? Where did you get them
Paul I replaced all three of my trigger screws with the ball bearing tipped ones shown in the pic.  As they are longer and are set screws they allow more travel (adjustment).  The ball bearing tip should also be an improvement over a rounded screw.  Three screws are not required as one one at the rear of the trigger marked 4 and shown at position 1 in the schematic, is a dust cap.  The trigger needs to be removed to access the hex recess in the dust cap and unscrew it.  At this point you can either replace it with a longer screw or you may be able to swap it with the # 2 screw (if it is long enough).  I installed the longer set screws in position  1 and 2 so I could experiment.  So far I have not figured out if I can use both for a two stage trigger.  The #3 screw at the front of the trigger needs to be replaced to adjust the trigger position unless you have large hands.  I adjust the #3 screw to position the trigger to a comfortable position and then turn the screw at #1 position until I can no longer cock the gun then back it off just enough to cock reliably.
I put a lighter spring under the trigger but it did not make a great difference.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 06:27:12 PM
Superchiken screwed up the quote what size length set screws? Where did you buy them ? Any pics? That’s is a good mod that I want to do to mine and other airguns I own. Good tip👍🏾😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 06:33:20 PM
This is the nsa 15.5 slug  removed from chamber on my .177.. Maybe the barrel is to tight for them... The flattened nose is from removal...
That does look too tight😳 glad you posted a pic have some nsa 15.5 slugs as well to try out in some of my 177. If I’m understanding correctly did you push a slug thru the barrel and out I’m assuming the barrel is choked ?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on January 29, 2019, 06:41:36 PM
Superchiken screwed up the quote what size length set screws? Where did you buy them ? Any pics? That’s is a good mod that I want to do to mine and other airguns I own. Good tip👍🏾😎
Here you go:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on January 29, 2019, 07:01:07 PM
No it was just chambered and pushed out... I switched the one screw behind the trigger to the very back one.. (dust cover) adjust till it just trips the sear and then back off till you like it..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 29, 2019, 07:36:49 PM
Superchiken screwed up the quote what size length set screws? Where did you buy them ? Any pics? That’s is a good mod that I want to do to mine and other airguns I own. Good tip👍🏾😎
Here you go:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1553370#msg1553370)
Thank you😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on January 29, 2019, 09:14:52 PM
I have finally gotten a chance to shoot again today. I got 90 shots on high power from 3700 to 1900 psi. I am thrilled with that!! I haven’t cleaned the barrel yet and only have maybe 140-150 shots through it total.  Here’s my 10 shot groups at fifty yards. The best one is with H&N crow mags. Eliminate the one flyer and it was 5/8” ctc

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 29, 2019, 09:23:29 PM
I have finally gotten a chance to shoot again today. I got 90 shots on high power from 3700 to 1900 psi. I am thrilled with that!! I haven’t cleaned the barrel yet and only have maybe 140-150 shots through it total.  Here’s my 10 shot groups at fifty yards. The best one is with H&N crow mags. Eliminate the one flyer and it was 5/8” ctc

Wow, nice results.  Especially like that you got 90 shots.  Wonder how many you'd get at low power?  Did you modify anything on the rifle?  Is this the wood or plastic stock?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on January 29, 2019, 11:36:39 PM
I haven’t modified anything except take the trigger out and swap the two back screws. I have the wood stock. I probably could have gotten another four or five shots before it fell off the regulator. I didn’t chrony but I kind of wish I would of at least did the first 10 and last 10. Oh well next time.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on January 30, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.

Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.

This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.

No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.

Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again.  :D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 30, 2019, 02:30:52 PM
Boy is it hard to decide what rifle to buy when you can't see it in person!

I just looked at a brand new synthetic stock Marauder in .22.  I wasn't able to shoot it, but I did handle it, cock and dry fire it.  I've got to say it seems much better made than what few Chinese rifles I've seen.  The plastic stock felt solid, the bolt worked smoothly, all the machining seemed well done.  It's nice to see an American made product that looks this good.  I can get one for about $100 more than a Liberty, but the Liberty's regulator is a big attraction to me.  My needs are like @thebanker4 , long(ish) range target shooting.  I'd really like to get 60+ shots (or even 100+) shots out of a single fill.  Has anyone had both a Marauder and a Liberty?  How do they compare? 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on January 30, 2019, 03:37:55 PM
I own both in 22cal, before putting a lightweight air tube and Huma on my Synrod the two rifles weighed about the same except my Liberty is wood stocked. To get what the Liberty offers at $329 required adding $120 to the cost of my Synrod ( a Huma Reg ) and the Liberty is still more powerful with its regulator, has a smooth side lever which I love by the way, and adds a power adjuster. My Synrod is still quieter than my Liberty but I find the liberty to be very back yard friendly. The trigger pull is much lighter on my Synrod with the lawyer spring removed than the Liberty's, but the Liberty's action breaks cleaner with less creep than my Synrod. I will say this however, I find myself reaching for the Liberty when I wanna shoot more so than I do the Synrod or my Disco.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on January 30, 2019, 03:38:17 PM
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.

Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.

This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.

No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.

Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again.  :D

Hey Greg, it makes me happy to hear your awesome experience with this gun. As I mentioned in my review, this is, at least to me, the first REAL $300 PCP air gun that is ready to go right out of the box. No need to do any modifications. Out of the box 900fps with an 18grain, 80 to 90 shots regulated. This is the gun that all other $300 to $500 pcps will be measured against. Now all the other manufacturer s will have to up there game if they want to sell PCP airguns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on January 30, 2019, 03:53:48 PM
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.

Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.

This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.

No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.

Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again.  :D

Hey Greg, it makes me happy to hear your awesome experience with this gun. As I mentioned in my review, this is, at least to me, the first REAL $300 PCP air gun that is ready to go right out of the box. No need to do any modifications. Out of the box 900fps with an 18grain, 80 to 90 shots regulated. This is the gun that all other $300 to $500 pcps will be measured against. Now all the other manufacturer s will have to up there game if they want to sell PCP airguns.
Totally agree👍🏾 Now if I can get a Bullpup in the same price range it will make the high end manufacturers take notice😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on January 30, 2019, 03:59:13 PM
Hey Ken, if they make a .25 Cal and a bullpup as good as the .22 other manufacturer s will take notice.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on January 30, 2019, 04:45:00 PM
I haven’t posted in this thread for awhile because I was watching all the posts about mods and tuning. Well, I haven’t done any of those and i’m not sure that I will, given what happened yesterday.

Out at the range again and we hung an empty 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. I was repeatedly hitting it (and leaving some deep dents) with the JSB 15.89 pellets. As a final shot, I shot it off of the string.

This rifle really makes me look good! Hehe.

No other issues to report as of yet. No leaks, no POI shifts, and the Gauntlet mags work just fine.

Please excuse me while I go try to wipe the smile off my face... again.  :D

Hey Greg, it makes me happy to hear your awesome experience with this gun. As I mentioned in my review, this is, at least to me, the first REAL $300 PCP air gun that is ready to go right out of the box. No need to do any modifications. Out of the box 900fps with an 18grain, 80 to 90 shots regulated. This is the gun that all other $300 to $500 pcps will be measured against. Now all the other manufacturer s will have to up there game if they want to sell PCP airguns.

Thanks, Stephen! And I’ve said it before, but a .25 cal would be awesome. However, I scooped up a Umarex 20% off promo during Black Friday week and pre-ordered the Gauntlet in .25 and it’s a good shooter as well. Guess I got lucky on my out of box experience with my first two PCP rifles. BTW, I’ve watched a couple of your videos and appreciate the content. Has been helpful to me.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 30, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
I own both in 22cal, before putting a lightweight air tube and Huma on my Synrod the two rifles weighed about the same except my Liberty is wood stocked. To get what the Liberty offers at $329 required adding $120 to the cost of my Synrod ( a Huma Reg ) and the Liberty is still more powerful with its regulator, has a smooth side lever which I love by the way, and adds a power adjuster. My Synrod is still quieter than my Liberty but I find the liberty to be very back yard friendly. The trigger pull is much lighter on my Synrod with the lawyer spring removed than the Liberty's, but the Liberty's action breaks cleaner with less creep than my Synrod. I will say this however, I find myself reaching for the Liberty when I wanna shoot more so than I do the Synrod or my Disco.

Thanks, your insights are very helpful.  I found the trigger on this new Synrod to be just fine.  Very long first stage and kind of long 2nd stage, but breaks at, I'd guess, maybe 1.5 - 2 lbs.  Longer than I'd want for target shooting but very reasonable for an out of the box air rifle.  I wonder if this one didn't get the "lawyer" spring?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on January 30, 2019, 10:10:14 PM
That's about right with the lawyer spring, mines now in ounces not pounds, just to much creep in 2nd stage. I tried to remove the creep but the rifle became unsafe as not enough sear was left holding the hammer and you could make it fire if bumped hard.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 31, 2019, 05:11:24 AM
Does anyone know of any current promo codes for ATI?  SHOT19 no longer works.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on January 31, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Good afternoon all

Firstly let me start by I think the US guys have a different breed of Liberty! Looks the same (inside and out), shoots just as accurate, however does around 880 fps with 14.35 gr which drops to around 760fps on the 18.21gr.

I decided to shim the hammerspring, upon opening I noted that there are no shims as standard, I added one and the rifle is running 870fps with 15.89gr JSB's.

I have about a tin left and after these I plan on upping the power a bit more.

Does anyone have experience with the JSB Monster 25.39gr pellets in general and this rifle specifically? What speed do they run at optimally and what speed should I aim for, 850fps again?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on January 31, 2019, 08:31:53 AM
Does anyone have experience with the JSB Monster 25.39gr pellets in general and this rifle specifically? What speed do they run at optimally and what speed should I aim for, 850fps again?

I don't have a Liberty but here's my initial experience with the new .22 Monsters
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347)

Bottom line, there is no reason that a pellet needs to go "fast" (e.g. over 800fps) to be accurate.  However it is true that domed pellets tend to achieve an optimal ballistic coefficient with muzzle speeds in the range of 800fps - 900fps so that's a useful practical reason to want the velocity a bit higher.  It also eases things with respect to cant error and pellet drop on shots at longer distances, say, beyond 50-75 yards.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on January 31, 2019, 08:50:13 AM
In an effort to expand my air gun horizons, past my generally crosman base, I ordered a 22 woody yesterday.  Tweeking value oriented PCPs seems to be in my blood.  :)

I read most of this thread and watched a few videos, including "Bankers" ports mod one.  Also, spent some time with the schematic.  Thx to all that have provided info.

It looks to me, that the plenum is mostly within that drop down tube with gauge.  Has anyone measured the ID and depth of that? or otherwise tried to calculate the plenum volume?

I see allot of discussion on shimming and adding more preload for a power increase.  Has anyone tried a heavier spring with zero preload for higher efficiency?   With side lever cocking, would expect it can handle some heavier springs.

From the schematic, it looks like the bolt probe has the sealing o-ring on it vs the barrel.  If that is correct, how has that been holding up pushing through the mags? 

Anyway, just some quick questions while I go through the waiting process.  :)




Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on January 31, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
dang, I'm late to this post. I need to read 46 pages.... it will take me a while but this rifle has my attention.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on January 31, 2019, 11:01:26 AM
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on January 31, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
Does anyone have experience with the JSB Monster 25.39gr pellets in general and this rifle specifically? What speed do they run at optimally and what speed should I aim for, 850fps again?

I don't have a Liberty but here's my initial experience with the new .22 Monsters
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=136347)

Bottom line, there is no reason that a pellet needs to go "fast" (e.g. over 800fps) to be accurate.  However it is true that domed pellets tend to achieve an optimal ballistic coefficient with muzzle speeds in the range of 800fps - 900fps so that's a useful practical reason to want the velocity a bit higher.  It also eases things with respect to cant error and pellet drop on shots at longer distances, say, beyond 50-75 yards.

Do you by any chance have some history with the H&N Piledriver? I see there are very mixed reviews on youtube, specifically regarding quality control.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 31, 2019, 11:13:20 AM
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.

How many shots per fill are you getting?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on January 31, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
Do you by any chance have some history with the H&N Piledriver? I see there are very mixed reviews on youtube, specifically regarding quality control.

No, sorry.  Like you, I've read a lot of reviews on the Piledrivers and I haven't been motivated to pay a premium for pellets that are likely to perform poorly.  The .22 are almost ten cents each ($13.50 for 150ct) on Pyramyd and the customer rating is worse than Daisy's pointed pellets.  Enough said.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on January 31, 2019, 11:54:44 AM
If someone can post the hammer spring specs, that would be great: OD x L and wire diameter

PS: Shipping label just created from Summerville SC  :) 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on January 31, 2019, 04:57:54 PM
I've been reading a lot about this gun. "On the other Forum" it was announced that Donny FL has the adapter ready for this!!

I know you have a nice solution with the baffles, but I think it's super to also have the opportunity to use your Donny on this baby
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on January 31, 2019, 05:31:43 PM
I've been reading a lot about this gun. "On the other Forum" it was announced that Donny FL has the adapter ready for this!!

I know you have a nice solution with the baffles, but I think it's super to also have the opportunity to use your Donny on this baby

That's great! I just checked the website but nothing yet. How much is the adpter? Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on January 31, 2019, 05:43:00 PM
PS: Shipping label just created from Summerville SC  :)

That was fast!  Didn't you just order it yesterday?  I ordered mine today.  :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on January 31, 2019, 07:07:05 PM
PS: Shipping label just created from Summerville SC  :)

That was fast!  Didn't you just order it yesterday?  I ordered mine today.  :)

Yes,  but it is just the label being created with USPS. 


UPDATE: It is now in USPS hands, with an expected Monday delivery!  :) 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on January 31, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
If you get one as nice as mine John I think you'll like it. Their not to pellet picky and will shoot ok groups with several pellets. Mine does best with JSB 15.89's 18.13's and H&N barracuda match 21.13 5.53 head size. 15.89's are one hole or 1/4" ctc but open up more than the 18's do past 35 yards. Have not had an opportunity to shoot past 57 yards yet as that's the limit in my back yard.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on January 31, 2019, 11:01:04 PM
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.

Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes  ::)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on January 31, 2019, 11:40:25 PM
Well, they kinda are...  here’s a $72 30mm FFP side parallax 5-15X50 scope on AliExpress:

http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb (http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 01, 2019, 05:52:56 AM
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.

Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes  ::)

The Vortex Crossfire II's are pretty reasonable, just over $100 to under $200 if you shop around.  Same lifetime no questions asked warranty as their other scopes.  I just bought one and it's the first time I've bought a budget scope for target shooting.  Couldn't see myself spending $600 on a scope for a $300 rifle.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on February 01, 2019, 06:31:13 AM
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.

How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.
Decided to fill to 3900 and see how many shots I could get before it came off the reg. I shot 6 mags before fps dropped to 861. Had trouble getting chrony to read on those groups as it was getting late but the gun has been averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's. I'll post some more groups later. By the way, 59 of those shots were inside of a 1in. circle at 35 yds. and the first one was off as it usually is because it shoots higher than the others. I forgot to "burn" that shot in the dirt. I'm like Steven. I love this gun.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 01, 2019, 06:48:24 AM
Well, they kinda are...  here’s a $72 30mm FFP side parallax 5-15X50 scope on AliExpress:

http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb (http://s.aliexpress.com/RBNr2uIb)
Paul, thanks for replying, that one is interesting...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 01, 2019, 06:49:20 AM
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.

Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes  ::)

The Vortex Crossfire II's are pretty reasonable, just over $100 to under $200 if you shop around.  Same lifetime no questions asked warranty as their other scopes.  I just bought one and it's the first time I've bought a budget scope for target shooting.  Couldn't see myself spending $600 on a scope for a $300 rifle.

Will check this Vortex too.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 01, 2019, 06:59:04 AM
I don’t know if you guys have the same conflict. Let me explain, this gun is a good shooter, so it deserves a decent scope, but then you will ended up paying same if not more for the scope this rifle deserves.

Now that entry level pcp is a reality, we need to have something similar happening with the scopes  ::)

The Vortex Crossfire II's are pretty reasonable, just over $100 to under $200 if you shop around.  Same lifetime no questions asked warranty as their other scopes.  I just bought one and it's the first time I've bought a budget scope for target shooting.  Couldn't see myself spending $600 on a scope for a $300 rifle.

Will check this Vortex too.

This is the one I got (I paid $159 while it was on sale):  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00794LHTI/?th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00794LHTI/?th=1)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 01, 2019, 07:32:29 AM
Also noticed tha Charlie has good deals on the Discoveries he is selling. For this rifle at first glance I liked this one

https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 01, 2019, 07:59:15 AM
Also noticed tha Charlie has good deals on the Discoveries he is selling. For this rifle at first glance I liked this one

https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel
Thank you for the link👍🏾 Will be ordering a few scopes from him for my growing airgun collection 😳
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on February 01, 2019, 09:40:18 AM
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.

How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.

I got 90 shots from 3700-1900psi. I haven’t added any shims this is bone stock
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Pursang on February 01, 2019, 10:41:50 AM
I have a thousand rounds plus through my 22 and have had no problems with the bolt orings. Glad to see someone address improving efficiency as well as power. I only added 2 small shims to mine and am averaging 875 fps with 18.1 JSB's which is about perfect for me with 30 FPE. The side cocking lever could probably handle a stiffer spring. Good idea.

How many shots per fill are you getting? I haven't filled my gun above 3500 psi and usually just shoot 3 mags. Before I added the shims I shot 5 mags. Haven't concentrated on how many shots I can get because I am reluctant to fill the gun to it's maximum rated fill rate of 4350 psi or 300 bar. Since we can't get parts yet for these guns I have been trying not to overly stress the orings.

I got 90 shots from 3700-1900psi. I haven’t added any shims this is bone stock

Have you chronied it yet? Mine came stock shooting in the mid 700s with 18.1s. I put 2 thin shims, washers smaller than 6mm that I enlarged the hole, and turned the reg adjuster from 12 oclock to around 8 oclock. Now 850ffps with 18.1.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on February 01, 2019, 10:48:52 AM
Yes but I only have the cheap clamp on chrony, it was shooting CPHP around 860 fps. I didn’t chrony the 90 shots but it was on high power and the last time I shot it was when I chronied it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 01, 2019, 12:36:04 PM
I hope you get to buy a better chrony. It's one of the needed things if you tune it.

I want a 12v compressor. I tried pumping this thing to 4k psi. That was no fun. Although refilling with a pump was not bad from 2400psi to 3800psi, only took 125+ pumps. My Young Heng is not so portable.

Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.

 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 01, 2019, 01:53:14 PM
Also noticed tha Charlie has good deals on the Discoveries he is selling. For this rifle at first glance I liked this one

https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel (https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-optics-vt-z-6-24x44-sf-side-focus-mil-dot-reticle-rifle-scope-include-signed-large-focus-wheel)

I bought that scope.  I'm sending it back.  I have TWO cheap CVLife scopes off of amazon that are BETTER than that scope.   I highly recommend them.  for $40 delivered,  they are amazing.  I plan on buying more of them...  read the 1800 + reviews!   

try one.... 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007UT3N4Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007UT3N4Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 01, 2019, 01:57:14 PM
Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.

Do you have the before/after ID's?   

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 01, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty.  At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!!  it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws.  Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud.  now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)

check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Here's the bipod I'm using.  I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 01, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
@Abefroman,
Thanks for sharing! Nice to know also about that CVLife
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gertrude on February 01, 2019, 03:53:24 PM
Abefroman,
I have a couple of that same Caldwell picatinny adapter. They are VERY nice and I am quite pleased with them. They are far better than the cheaper ones available on Amazon that have the large knurled round nut for tightening.
A word of advice on removing/storing the Caldwell adapter...
When removing it and storing it for later use, have a good strong/thick small zip lock bag (or something) to put it in. The little pin (that goes through the swivel stud) is very small and easy to drop and lose.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 01, 2019, 06:26:02 PM
I hope you get to buy a better chrony. It's one of the needed things if you tune it.

I want a 12v compressor. I tried pumping this thing to 4k psi. That was no fun. Although refilling with a pump was not bad from 2400psi to 3800psi, only took 125+ pumps. My Young Heng is not so portable.

Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.
What did you use to made it wider and did you go deeper? Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 01, 2019, 08:36:09 PM
Kzz1kaw, I used a mini mill with 3/16 and 1/8 endmill. Yes. Deep and wider with a slight angle. I might make a bigger bore valve and stem when I have time. It looks easy enough.

fuzzy, I need to take it down to measure it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on February 01, 2019, 10:30:07 PM
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty.  At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!!  it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws.  Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud.  now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)

check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Here's the bipod I'm using.  I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just got one of the CV Life Bipods and attached it directly to the stud and tightened it down. It comes with a picatinny rail adapter, but I didn’t need it. It is solid. Also picked up that 6-24 x 50 CV Life scope and it’s nice for the money, just wish there was decent documentation for it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 01, 2019, 10:56:02 PM
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty.  At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!!  it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws.  Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud.  now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)

check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Here's the bipod I'm using.  I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just got one of the CV Life Bipods and attached it directly to the stud and tightened it down. It comes with a picatinny rail adapter, but I didn’t need it. It is solid. Also picked up that 6-24 x 50 CV Life scope and it’s nice for the money, just wish there was decent documentation for it.

well, don't know about documentation, but watch this video.. I learned a lot from it...  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 02, 2019, 05:45:54 AM
Nice!!! Dony did it!!

Here is the adapter for 40$

https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/nova-vista-liberty-1-2-x-20-a50
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on February 02, 2019, 11:09:02 AM
I hope you get to buy a better chrony. It's one of the needed things if you tune it.

I want a 12v compressor. I tried pumping this thing to 4k psi. That was no fun. Although refilling with a pump was not bad from 2400psi to 3800psi, only took 125+ pumps. My Young Heng is not so portable.

Also, did some porting of the valve. Going to chrony it tonight with max setting and see if it can hit a bit harder. After pix and before pic.

Everyone who has one of the clamp on chrony says it’s very accurate when tested against their more expensive ones. I’ll have to test it out on some other guns and see what it’s reading.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151661.120 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=151661.120)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on February 02, 2019, 02:15:43 PM
Nice!!! Dony did it!!

Here is the adapter for 40$

https://donnyfl.com/collections/adapters/products/nova-vista-liberty-1-2-x-20-a50

Good to know Donny is on top of things!  I'll have to remember this if I end up needing mine any quieter!  I did the Crosman Baffle mod and that's got my .177 Liberty pretty quiet!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on February 02, 2019, 04:47:37 PM
I installed this picatinny rail on to the bottom of the Nova Liberty.  At first I thought it wasn't gonna fit right and I was gonna have to use some rubber spacers or something, and then I went ahead and installed it and it's awesome !!!  it has a small pin that goes through the stock strap swivel hole and then has a rubber piece and some screws.  Once installed, the only thing touching the gun is the rubber and the pin through the swivel stud.  now I can mount a bipod (also really good CVLife brand off of amazon)

check it out...
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01B6S8IOY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Here's the bipod I'm using.  I've bought 2 of them and really like 'em.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBA63SO/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

I just got one of the CV Life Bipods and attached it directly to the stud and tightened it down. It comes with a picatinny rail adapter, but I didn’t need it. It is solid. Also picked up that 6-24 x 50 CV Life scope and it’s nice for the money, just wish there was decent documentation for it.

well, don't know about documentation, but watch this video.. I learned a lot from it...  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LeAu-CYso&t=8s)

The only part I needed info on, since it’s a ranging reticle, is what mag setting is the correct one for target ranging. Typically, it’s 10X but their online docs arent’ specific to this scope. Thanks for the video link. I’m familiar with parallax and AO scopes but there are always more nuggets of knowledge to be gained so I’ll watch it anyway.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 03, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
Well, that was fast!   It came on Saturday, vs the estimated Monday.  :)   I was away for the weekend, but I could see it with the porch cam.  ;)

Got home a little while ago, and noticed a good size hole in the outside/doubled box.  That turned out to be on the air pillow side, but still a small hole in the inner box.  That hole turned out to be in allen wrench tool slot area, so no shipping damage to the gun.  :)

My quick impressions, is like most others, very good build quality for an entry level $300 PCP.  I was concerned that the stock was going to be like the Gen 1 Mrod, but that turned out false.  It is narrower than the Gen 2 mrod in the foregrip.  Feels lighter, but haven't weighed it yet. Balances nicely in about the same area as Mrod.  The stock looks good for this price range.  Some minor things I see by the stippling, but nothing that even comes close to consider returning it for. 

A couple of minor things, degasser screw is offset forward in the stock opening, and bolt feels a bit "crunchy" just before the sear latches.  That will probably improve with use, plus some lube and adjustment. 

Gauge reads empty.  I will at least fill it to 3K today, to check for leaks.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on February 03, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
 Glad you are as impressed as I was :) Yes the crunchy's will go away after a few mags, or if so inclined give it a tear down and polish.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gertrude on February 03, 2019, 01:56:00 PM
Fuzzy
How well does the action fit the stock ? Do you see any gap(s) between the forearm and the air tube ? Or anywhere else ?

My bolt also felt crunchy straight out of the box, but did improve with a little lube and exercise.
 Yep, degasser screw way off center here too, and stock finish has some rough and splotchy spots.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 03, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
Fuzzy
How well does the action fit the stock ? Do you see any gap(s) between the forearm and the air tube ? Or anywhere else ?


From the top, looking down, looks nice and straight without gaps.  A good fit around the barrel/shroud band.  There is a small gap at the front by the sling swivel, bottom of air tube, and at the back corners of the air tube.  A couple of minor marks in the back corners of the breech.  Nothing that would concern me. 
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 03, 2019, 04:27:26 PM
John, if you haven't yet try the JSB 15.89 and 18.13's I think you'll like the results.
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Post by: Wheelman on February 03, 2019, 08:04:37 PM
I received my .22 cal wood stock model on Friday (Feb 1st), exactly 1 week after ordering it.
Mine has the same crunchy bolt feel, offset bleed screw and blotchy finish, but overall I’m happy with it.
I was able to run some shots over the chrony today, averaged 892fps on high power and 700fps on low with CPHPs. It grouped really well, especially considering I was using the open sights.

The only negative is the windage adjustment wheel is bent and therefore not adjustable. I contacted ATI right away, they said they’d see what they could do and get back to me but I haven’t heard back yet. Hopefully they’ll be willing to send me a replacement assembly, I really don’t want to send this rifle back just for that.

Wheelman
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on February 03, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
I received my .22 cal wood stock model on Friday (Feb 1st), exactly 1 week after ordering it.
Mine has the same crunchy bolt feel, offset bleed screw and blotchy finish, but overall I’m happy with it.
I was able to run some shots over the chrony today, averaged 892fps on high power and 700fps on low with CPHPs. It grouped really well, especially considering I was using the open sights.

The only negative is the windage adjustment wheel is bent and therefore not adjustable. I contacted ATI right away, they said they’d see what they could do and get back to me but I haven’t heard back yet. Hopefully they’ll be willing to send me a replacement assembly, I really don’t want to send this rifle back just for that.

Wheelman

I had a bent windage adjustment knob also, but I scoped the rifle, so I just took off both the front and rear iron sights and toss them in a drawer.  They are nice sights, it's a shame they come damaged.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 03, 2019, 11:16:26 PM
can anyone help me out? i screwed up turning the regulator with a vise grip and damaged one of the pin hole. i turned it down but did not measure the original length.

 i made another one from 416 but it seems too long. can someone measure theirs and let me know? i know its supposed to be longer than 1.415 of an inch...but what exactly?
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Post by: Lastdog on February 04, 2019, 06:53:04 AM
Attention all Liberty owners!
What 22 cal pellet is your gun shooting best. So far mine shoots baracuda match 5.2 heads best. Going to try the 5.3 when they arrive Thursday.
Please respond cause I am tired of spending money on different pellets. My Liberty shoots all most anything well expect Polly mag shorts. Was disappointed in that because I am setting this gun up for hunting.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 04, 2019, 08:57:55 AM
John, if you haven't yet try the JSB 15.89 and 18.13's I think you'll like the results.


It held steady over night, so no leaks.  :)

Once I clean the barrel, JSB's will probably be the first pellets down it.  Then will try some of the H&N's I have.  I actually have to dig back in the stash to see if I have any crosman pellets.

FWIW: My elevation and windage knobs look fine.  Cheek weld seems to be designed around the open sights.  I expect it will need a litle padding once a scope goes on. 



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Post by: smythsg on February 04, 2019, 12:31:00 PM
James, Sniper Magnums are working great for my Liberty.
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Post by: Pursang on February 04, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
T oday was the first time I have put more than a few pellets down the bore. I filled mine t o 4350 and it started off around 780fps with JSB 18s, climbing pretty quickly to 870, and settling to the high 850s for the bulk of the fill. Second fill was to 4000 which helped some, but still had a curve. Anything I can do to help this, or will time, and shots help? I only added 2 thin washers to the hammer spring, would another 1 or 2 help?

Only shot CPs, JSB 15.8s, and JSB 18.1s. The 18.1s seemed to shoot the best.

One of my mags malfunctioned, and basically isn't springloaded at all. Guess I will see if I can fix it.
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Post by: Lastdog on February 04, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
Scott, mine is shooting Baracuda 21.14s at 875. All I have done is to add two regular washers(thicker that the ones in the gun) turned the brass disk that is between the air tube and shroud half a turn counter clock wise. If you degass it turns easily with a small Allen key. Just stick the short end in a hole and tap lightly. Pull it out and do again about 4 times.
I only fill to 3200 and shoot to 2000.
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Post by: stretch on February 04, 2019, 06:16:38 PM
Scott, mine is shooting Baracuda 21.14s at 875. All I have done is to add two regular washers(thicker that the ones in the gun) turned the brass disk that is between the air tube and shroud half a turn counter clock wise. If you degass it turns easily with a small Allen key. Just stick the short end in a hole and tap lightly. Pull it out and do again about 4 times.
I only fill to 3200 and shoot to 2000.

@James - how many shots do you get?
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Post by: Orion on February 04, 2019, 06:39:17 PM
T oday was the first time I have put more than a few pellets down the bore. I filled mine t o 4350 and it started off around 780fps with JSB 18s, climbing pretty quickly to 870, and settling to the high 850s for the bulk of the fill. Second fill was to 4000 which helped some, but still had a curve. Anything I can do to help this, or will time, and shots help? I only added 2 thin washers to the hammer spring, would another 1 or 2 help?

Only shot CPs, JSB 15.8s, and JSB 18.1s. The 18.1s seemed to shoot the best.

One of my mags malfunctioned, and basically isn't springloaded at all. Guess I will see if I can fix it.

The behavior you are seen is normal during breaking time, give it some time, shoot at least 200 pellets and then test again.
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Post by: Lastdog on February 04, 2019, 06:53:31 PM
Scot ,Did not really count. I know it was at least 4 mags,maybe five. Setting mine up for hunting and 10 is about all I really care about so this gun gives way more shoots than I really need but it sure is nice to know they are there if I want them.
I’ve found that between 3200 and 2800 give the highest power and most consistent FPS of the whole fill.
The last time I shoot over the chrony. This is what I got.
3000 psi five shoots. 879, 876, 876, 876, 866. So when I go for a walk to hunt and plink I only fill to around 3000 more or less put in a full mag and a way I go.
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Post by: Pursang on February 04, 2019, 06:57:31 PM
Yeah, I turned mine about 1/4 turn CC, and added two thin shims to hammer spring. Since the gun is regulated, I would like to fill to a higher pressure to get more shots. Not necessarily 4350, but I would like to fill to 3700-4000. Hopefully the reg will settle over time.
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Post by: Back_Roads on February 04, 2019, 08:38:55 PM
 The regs do settle in, a lighter or under / over size pellet can give some of the sporadic readings.
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 04, 2019, 09:01:33 PM
Especially when shooting Crosman premier domes, 6 will group pretty good and 4 more will fly all over the place. I would have loved to of seen the Liberty shoot them as well as it does JSB's.
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Post by: stretch on February 04, 2019, 09:07:49 PM
Quick question for those of you who ordered your Liberty from ATI:  how did they notify you when it shipped?  I ordered mine last Thursday on their website.  My status still shows "processing" but I checked my credit card and they've already processed my payment.  Do they normally send out an email with a tracking number?
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Post by: Back_Roads on February 04, 2019, 09:18:30 PM
 It will show processing until it is delivered.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 04, 2019, 09:26:53 PM
The regs do settle in, a lighter or under / over size pellet can give some of the sporadic readings.
+1
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Post by: Orion on February 04, 2019, 09:28:39 PM
It will show processing until it is delivered.

Lol, good to know, mine is in the same status
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 04, 2019, 10:25:21 PM
I received notice from USPS that a label was created and it was picked up, before receiving an email from ATI that it shipped. 
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Post by: Pursang on February 04, 2019, 10:27:30 PM
Especially when shooting Crosman premier domes, 6 will group pretty good and 4 more will fly all over the place. I would have loved to of seen the Liberty shoot them as well as it does JSB's.

Funny you should say that, my first group with CPs was 5 in one hole, and I thought I didn't even need to try other pellets. I was surprised that I was unable to duplicate that group, or even come close.

I was able to fix my magazine. The downturned end if the spring just came out of it's hole. While I had it apart, I made a new hole  by heating a straight pin, and pushing it through the plastic. I put the spring end in it, to increase the tension. Working great so far.
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Post by: kgatwork on February 05, 2019, 01:03:01 AM
Quick question for those of you who ordered your Liberty from ATI:  how did they notify you when it shipped?  I ordered mine last Thursday on their website.  My status still shows "processing" but I checked my credit card and they've already processed my payment.  Do they normally send out an email with a tracking number?

Give them a call for the tracing number
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Post by: nervoustrigger on February 05, 2019, 05:36:02 AM
Especially when shooting Crosman premier domes, 6 will group pretty good and 4 more will fly all over the place. I would have loved to of seen the Liberty shoot them as well as it does JSB's.

Funny you should say that, my first group with CPs was 5 in one hole, and I thought I didn't even need to try other pellets. I was surprised that I was unable to duplicate that group, or even come close.

They used to be really good pellets but what you guys are experiencing matches what I've seen for the last few years.  Here's some examples of .177 groups at 25 yards that are spoiled by a flier, all from one shooting session where I was trying to figure out why they acted like they wanted to group:

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5844) (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5845) (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5846)

And an example of single shots per target with one errant pellet:
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=5847)

How about the .22 pellets?  Well back before Christmas I was visiting my uncle and he had a tin from 2013 that I'd given him a few years ago.  I thought it would be interesting to compare them to some more recent tins:

(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6080)

Here is a markup of the above groups showing the CTC sizes:
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6082)

The two newer tins show the sort of thing I've come to expect...they look like they either want to stack into two distinct groups (leftmost group) or give an errant shot that would be tempting to call a flier (the second group).  But look at our old pellets from 2013, a nice MoA group.  I added the JSB group as a control.

They just don't make them like they used to.
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Post by: Pursang on February 05, 2019, 09:10:21 AM
That's weird too, as mine are boxed CPs and probably 2010 or so. They do shoot in other guns, but the Liberty doesn't seem to like them.

All you guys waiting, I ordered mine on Christmas day, and it took two weeks to arrive, which is understandable.  I didn't receive any type of notification, it just showed up one day.
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Post by: Gbcool1 on February 05, 2019, 10:03:47 AM

Only shot CPs, JSB 15.8s, and JSB 18.1s. The 18.1s seemed to shoot the best.

One of my mags malfunctioned, and basically isn't springloaded at all. Guess I will see if I can fix it.

Mine is able to shoot within 1 inch at 60 yards with the JSB 15.8s.

As to your mag, mine did the same and others have had the same problem. It’s the spring popping out of the hole in the bottom. I added a drop of glue to help mine stay in place. Seems to work so far. But an inexpensive and elegant solution is to use the Gauntlet mags which can be had on Amazon for cheap. They fit the breech nicely and work very well.
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Post by: Orion on February 05, 2019, 10:06:02 AM
That's weird too, as mine are boxed CPs and probably 2010 or so. They do shoot in other guns, but the Liberty doesn't seem to like them.

All you guys waiting, I ordered mine on Christmas day, and it took two weeks to arrive, which is understandable.  I didn't receive any type of notification, it just showed up one day.

Thanks for letting me know, the waiting is killing me! About the pellets, I'm considering using the CPHP to break the rifle, it's a cheap pellet and my expectections are not the highest in regard to them grouping awesome. If they do, great, if not, I'll try H&N or AA to see. 

I'll do a video (or multiple videos) about this gun, I think this is the gun I've been more excited about and it will cost me half of the cheapest one I've bought. Amazing!
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Post by: Letum on February 05, 2019, 10:39:21 AM
Upon disassembly I noted that the regulator housing is not but-up against the rest of the block, with about a millimeter of space in between. I adjusted the regulator a bit (about half a turn) and now there is air leaking from that space between the regulator housing and the block. Have you encountered this? I cannot turn the regulator housing tighter as it does not align then.
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Post by: Orion on February 05, 2019, 11:21:41 AM
yess!!! I just received the email from ATI that my gun is on the way!!
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Post by: stretch on February 05, 2019, 12:37:11 PM
I ordered mine last Thursday, it shipped yesterday (Monday) and I got two emails this morning (one from customer service and one automated email).  I chose USPS Priority Mail and it should arrive tomorrow.  Can't wait.  :)
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Post by: cosmic on February 05, 2019, 01:04:29 PM
When I got the email that mine shipped in the morning, and before 4 pm the same day it was on the porch..
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Post by: Orion on February 05, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
When I got the email that mine shipped in the morning, and before 4 pm the same day it was on the porch..

don't do that! I'll be really sad today if I don't see the package.... you are bad!  ;D
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Post by: cosmic on February 05, 2019, 01:17:49 PM
Didn't mean to make you sad :'(   But when you get it you will be grinning !
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Post by: stretch on February 05, 2019, 03:36:56 PM
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/ati-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-first-look/
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 05, 2019, 03:44:37 PM
While I remember seeing some video from Shot Show 2018 on ATI Nova, I don't recall seeing anything from the recent 2019 one.  Anyone catch what I might have missed? 
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 05, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
Upon disassembly I noted that the regulator housing is not but-up against the rest of the block, with about a millimeter of space in between. I adjusted the regulator a bit (about half a turn) and now there is air leaking from that space between the regulator housing and the block. Have you encountered this? I cannot turn the regulator housing tighter as it does not align then.

Hey Hannes, yes, I had a similar problem getting the regulator block to align just right after removing the regulator and then screwing it back in. It takes some patience but rescrew it in a little at a time till it aligns just right to the block. Use a rubber strap around the threads so as not to damage the threads.
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Post by: Letum on February 06, 2019, 12:40:17 AM
Thanx Banker, was it just a matter of unscrewing and reassembly until you get it right?
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Post by: Letum on February 06, 2019, 03:21:24 AM
Thank you Banker, after your youtube assistance I managed to get it sorted. Now to get it over the chrony and slowly tuning the reg up.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 06, 2019, 10:53:30 AM
Thanx Banker, was it just a matter of unscrewing and reassembly until you get it right?

Yes, exactly. Trial and error. Glad you got it fixed. Have fun
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Post by: stretch on February 06, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
My woody in .22 arrived this afternoon.  First impression was very positive.  You guys who are waiting for yours, I think you'll like what you see.  Although it's been a week since I looked at that the Synrod, this seemed smaller and lighter (although someone said it's actually longer).  I cleaned the bore with a couple wipes of Goo-Gone (citrus based) and then pulled dry patches until clean.  My rifle's bore didn't seem as bad as what others described, but then again, maybe Goo-Gone wasn't strong enough to loosen the worst of the gook.  I gave the bore a look and although I don't have a bore scope I think I see some unevenness between two of the lands towards the last 1/4 of the barrel.  I can't be sure and I'll shoot it tomorrow to see how it performs and see if I can get a better look.  Might need a more thorough cleaning.

I then pumped it up to 3,000 psi.  My Benjamin pump started leaking at 2,000 psi, so I lost some pressure there.  So I pulled out the $38 hand pump I recently bought.  It made some weird noises and leaked some black-ish water, but I got it up to 3,000 psi.  What a workout.  I can cancel my gym membership.  I can see that one of those low cost compressors is in my future...

I dry fired the rifle once, just to make sure it worked.  Now I'll let it sit overnight, and if all goes well I'll scope it and take it to the range tomorrow.

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Post by: Orion on February 06, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
I'm sooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/fIcwBgY.jpg)

I also has received mine, I haven't been able to do anything, I'll add air... thanks god I purchased the Nomad2 compressor, this is not a gun, is a tank. I think I can fill my other guns from this one if needed :D

I'll report back, probably I'll do some videos (short ones) and posted on my YoutTube channel.
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Post by: Orion on February 06, 2019, 08:47:23 PM
First impressions:

Cleaning

ufff my barrel was dirty. I've been cleaning the barrel for more than an hour. I used ballistol, take a look at the patches. When it was looking clean, I used another wet patch and the next dry patch was coming super dirty again... what a workout.

Check the last 6 patches, how it looks like the barrel is clean and then I'm using another wet patch and that thing came out black again. As you can see I give up at the end, I'm considering it is clean enough, I'll shoot a heck out of it and then soon I'll do another clean session.


(https://i.imgur.com/bHRiMcB.jpg)

Mags
By moving the mags, the spring did something funky that both of then lost their tension. I've seen this happening to bunch of people, I'll read what the solution was and see if I can fix them.

Backyard Friendliy?

Yess, I think this is quieter than my TX200. I don't think I'll do anything to it.

Trigger

I see how I can be playing with this to improve it a bit. I don't see a first stage. It's solid but brake really nice without any trigger creep. Firm but crisp

Weight
The rifle is super light and handle really comfortable. This might change when I add the scope to it.

Stock
I really like the wood stock over the synthetic. It looks better IMO, I think it's worth the extra 30$ I see some imperfections on the stock but this is minimum. I like the cheek piece a lot, it reminds me my TX200 but ambidextrous

Overall
This rifle is a home run! I still need to see shot count & power out of the box without doing any modifications just yet....

more to come!
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 06, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
Minimize the barrel cleaning time I use brake clean desolves the heavy grease with patches😎👍🏾
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Post by: stretch on February 06, 2019, 09:00:36 PM
... I used ballistol, take a look at the patches...

Can I use Hoppes No 9 bore cleaner?  That's what I use on my PB's and is all I have on hand.
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Post by: Wheelman on February 06, 2019, 09:03:40 PM
I ran a bore snake through mine, only took 3 passes and didn't have to use any solvent.
Of course I had to remove the barrel but I planned to do that anyway to get a look at what's inside the shroud.

The barrel didn't look all that dirty before the snake and was shiney clean afterwards.

Wheelman
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 06, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Some barrels are worse than others, mine wasn't that bad either. Be very careful what you use to clean the barrel as the degreaser I used also wanted to take the black anodize off the breech. Might want to test an inconspicuos area first.
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Post by: Orion on February 06, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
I think I’ll need help trying to fix the mags, I’ve been reading but cannot find the specific post. I remember reading something about a screw.

My mags lost the tension, both of them, I hope it’s an easy fix, I know I can buy Gaunlet mags... are those better? I just rotate the mag all the way, to load the first pellet and something weird happened, they look like are missaligned, I can post a picture....

Thanks
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Post by: Pursang on February 06, 2019, 11:45:40 PM
Both of my mags did the same. The down turned end if the spring just comes out of the hole in the back of the mag. You can search YouTube for "how to fix marauder magazines" and see a video that will show you what you need to know.

I made another hole in the back of the mag for the spring to connect into, by heating a straight pin and pushing it through the plastic. The new hole puts a little more tension  into the spring. The Marauder mag comes with 3 holes. On one if mine I clipped off the down turned end, and bent a new, longer end. This new end protruded through the back if the mag, so I ground it flush with a Dremel. The other mag, I bent the wire a little further, like the guy in the vid shows, and put it in the new hole. So far both are working fine, but I haven't used them much.

Watch the video, and what I'm saying will make sense. It's not hard to do, and there are only 5 parts to the mag.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 07, 2019, 12:15:02 AM
Some barrels are worse than others, mine wasn't that bad either. Be very careful what you use to clean the barrel as the degreaser I used also wanted to take the black anodize off the breech. Might want to test an inconspicuos area first.
Own a few pb and pcps never had a problem taking off anodizing or gun blue with brake clean
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Post by: Gbcool1 on February 07, 2019, 12:36:34 AM
The mag issue is definitely affecting many people. Yes, i’d say the Gauntlet mags are better, and certainly less expensive to buy as spares. I just put a drop of good  adhesive in the hole and put the mag back together. I waited for the glue to dry before winding it up. Haven’t had an issue yet.

You’re gonna love the shot count, even on high power setting.
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Post by: Orion on February 07, 2019, 04:36:44 AM
Guys thanks for the reply. I saw the video and I like both ideas, I will put a bit of glue and also I’ll open another hole. The video was definitely useful. Thanks!

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Post by: Chester on February 07, 2019, 06:13:47 AM
I have sent back four magazines and currently use marauder mags which work great. The last two replacement mags from ATI  would not even fit the breech.
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Post by: Bob Pratl on February 07, 2019, 07:43:32 AM
Some barrels are worse than others, mine wasn't that bad either. Be very careful what you use to clean the barrel as the degreaser I used also wanted to take the black anodize off the breech. Might want to test an inconspicuos area first.
Own a few pb and pcps never had a problem taking off anodizing or gun blue with brake clean
I agree, Brake Clean works great but keep it away from plastic parts such as triggers guards, stocks, shrouds and plastic magazines.
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Post by: Letum on February 07, 2019, 09:27:36 AM
Some feedback from the tinkering side:

I have a total of 3 shims on the hammer spring and managed to get the leak sorted, final verdict was that I screwed the regulator out to far which caused it to leak. Was a bit of a pain in the @ss getting it to the sweet spot with degassing, unscrewing cylinder, turn reg, screw cylinder back, gas up, copy and repeat a few times.

Final result: Gun is zero'd at 20m (21.8 yards), I want to move it to 30m however I did not have something to aim at in the in between distance, took aim at 50m (54.68 yards), rifle is running at a calculated 845fps with 25.39gr JSB Monster's, 5 shot grouping at 20m forming one hole, at 50m total spread of 5 shots is about half an inch with 3 out of the 5 cutting the same hole and the other slightly to the left (which could also have been the wind or me just being a poor shot). Elevation drop is 1 mildot, which according to Strelok is 5 cm.

Shot-count is estimated at 50 rounds, however I'll have to spend some time on a chrony to actually figure out how the string runs. Either way I'm happy, super rifle, running at above 40 ft/lbs and total build cost me about R10 000.00 (which is $733). And here she is:
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 07, 2019, 09:50:43 AM
Hannes - Impress results especially with the 25's!
I haven't tried them yet with mine. Will probably have to play with some shims and reg to get near those results.

Which Discovery scope did you go with? I've been looking at them but unsure which one to get.

Matt
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Post by: Abefroman on February 07, 2019, 10:56:47 AM
Ok, 3 shims on the hammer spring.. probably 0.15 inches.  I think that it is maxed out on shims.  Plus 3/4 turn on the regulator.

It's shooting CPHP 14.3 at 1080 fps and JSB 18.13 Jumbo Heavy's at 1050+.

It seems like even though the JSB's are heavier, they fly pretty darn fast..

However, I haven't shot for accuracy at 50+ yards yet. The CPHP seem to be erratic at this high speed.

I'm probably gonna remove one or two of the factory shims on the hammer spring and turn the regulator down until I get around 920 fps using the JSB 18.13 pellets... Thats what Thebanker4's goal is. 

Are there any tests (maybe wind tunnel) that show what the optimum speed is for different pellets ???
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 07, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
Ok, 3 shims on the hammer spring.. probably 0.15 inches.  I think that it is maxed out on shims.  Plus 3/4 turn on the regulator.

It's shooting CPHP 14.3 at 1080 fps and JSB 18.13 Jumbo Heavy's at 1050+.

It seems like even though the JSB's are heavier, they fly pretty darn fast..

However, I haven't shot for accuracy at 50+ yards yet. The CPHP seem to be erratic at this high speed.

I'm probably gonna remove one or two of the factory shims on the hammer spring and turn the regulator down until I get around 920 fps using the JSB 18.13 pellets... Thats what Thebanker4's goal is. 

Are there any tests (maybe wind tunnel) that show what the optimum speed is for different pellets ???

The factory shims are very thin, and do not believe they are there to add pre-load.  I think their purpose is to prevent the spring from cutting into the plastic stop/guide, as the spring rotates during use.  If you are adding preload shims, they probably should go between the stop/guide and factory shims. 
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Post by: Letum on February 07, 2019, 01:48:02 PM
Hannes - Impress results especially with the 25's!
I haven't tried them yet with mine. Will probably have to play with some shims and reg to get near those results.

Which Discovery scope did you go with? I've been looking at them but unsure which one to get.

Matt

The shims work well, but I reckon to gain enough power to push the 25's at 850 you will have to find a balance between shims and regulator adjustment.

As for the scope, it is the Discovery VT-Z, one of the more entry level models. For the type of shooting I do it's fine, magnification is good (not a true x16 but rather about a x14 or so with the glass quality being on par with scopes double the price), however for more varied distance shooting I would much rather go for a few models higher which is FFP. 
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Post by: stretch on February 07, 2019, 03:21:35 PM
Here's my update:  I pumped the rifle to 3,000 psi (couldn't go any further with either of my hand pumps, new pump coming next week), cleaned the bore with Goo-Gone and left it over night.  This morning, pressure gauge showed 3,000 psi so I mounted a spare 3x9-40 scope and took it to the range.  I had a tin of H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme 19.09 gr, 5.5mm pellets.  Weather was in the mid 60's, wind started off light but then built to 10-15 mph.  25 yards.  I'd guess that I got around 50-60 shots before reaching 2,000 psi when I stopped.  These pellets hit the cardboard target with authority.  A real -smack- compared to shooting with the Disco.  Overall, groups were better and more consistent than my Disco.  Whenever the wind stopped, each round followed the last into a single hole.   Even the range officer was impressed, so I let him send a handful of rounds down range.  Sounded like he's gonna buy one of these, too.

Here's my best 4 round group from today.

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Post by: Gbcool1 on February 07, 2019, 04:37:52 PM
Nice shooting, Stretch! 50-60 shots is really amazing isn’t it? If these guns have any longevity to them, they are going to be the bargain of the PCP world.

I was grinning ear to ear last week when I was able to repeatedly hit a dangling 12 gram CO2 cylinder at 60 yards. My rifle is still stock configuration too.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 07, 2019, 10:59:54 PM
made an attempt to machine another valve with bigger throat and exhaust. however, my grooving tool broke...i was too impatient... all the profiles are done, and part drops in.  the exhause and groove will be easy.
throat is now .253 compare to stock .217. exhaust will be .250 and barrel port will be oblong .185.

 i plan to run .25 cal later on
i gotta say. i like the valve design on this Liberty. easy to reproduce and mod
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 08, 2019, 12:47:49 PM
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
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Post by: stretch on February 08, 2019, 12:52:57 PM
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?

Very nice Stephen!
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 08, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
Looks fantastic!!!  Great work there.  :) 
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Post by: SoCalZac on February 08, 2019, 01:16:24 PM
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?

Wow great job that is absolutely beautiful!!
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 08, 2019, 01:24:34 PM
made an attempt to machine another valve with bigger throat and exhaust. however, my grooving tool broke...i was too impatient... all the profiles are done, and part drops in.  the exhause and groove will be easy.
throat is now .253 compare to stock .217. exhaust will be .250 and barrel port will be oblong .185.

 i plan to run .25 cal later on
i gotta say. i like the valve design on this Liberty. easy to reproduce and mod

I'll be interested in the results. 

Do you have the oem valve throat, pocket, and exhaust diameters? 
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 08, 2019, 02:02:05 PM
Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?
Fantastic job👏🏾 You tube video on how you made it. If you wanted to you could use a wood duplicator to make the same stock again if you decided to try a different wood 👍🏾
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 08, 2019, 02:27:27 PM
Built-aful stock!!!  :D

Fuzzy, Oem throat diameter is .217 and exhaust cross section opening is even smaller. i had to open it up quite a bit. i would guess its less than .160 since the machining didnt go deeper than 1/2 of the valve.

i should be able to get the valve done monday when the grooving tool gets here. it may or may not increase fpe due to the small plenum...going to tackle that job next.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 08, 2019, 03:10:24 PM
Fuzzy, Oem throat diameter is .217 and exhaust cross section opening is even smaller. i had to open it up quite a bit. i would guess its less than .160 since the machining didnt go deeper than 1/2 of the valve.

i should be able to get the valve done monday when the grooving tool gets here. it may or may not increase fpe due to the small plenum...going to tackle that job next.

0.160" is not that bad for an oem 22 cal.   The 0.217" and subtracting the poppet stem, might be more of a restriction.   

My recent work with the Fortitude which also has a tiny plenum, was the bottle neck.  When I opened the ports, without changing anything else, I actually lost some speed.   I look forward to seeing you results plus the plenum expansion. 

The bigger the plenum, the more you can drop the reg pressure, keep the same power, and get additional shots.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 08, 2019, 03:36:49 PM
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Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?

Now when you finished tuning your Liberty and combine this with that stock you have a air rifle that is truly one of a kind and priceless.
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Post by: Orion on February 08, 2019, 03:39:53 PM
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Finally finished the Thumb hole stock. What do you think?

Now when you finished tuning your Liberty and combine this with that stock you have a air rifle that is truly one of a kind and priceless.

wow, that looks awesome! You have serious skills!
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Post by: stretch on February 08, 2019, 06:52:16 PM
On the subject of after sales support by ATI, here's what just happened to me.  My Liberty arrived on Wednesday.  I noticed the single shot tray was missing so sent ATI an email and got a reply soon after saying to expect it in a couple weeks.  No big deal, I can survive without it.  Well guess what just arrived on my doorstep?  Yup, a new single shot tray.  Barely 2 days after I asked for one.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 08, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
Fuzzy, what was the fortitudes regulator set at? my best guess is due to the pressure drop from filling the now larger ports. i think i have the same problem with my gauntlet 22. too much porting, low pressure 1300psi. ports with stock setting i got 100fps lower than oem. but the upside is i can go as high as 38fpe at 1300psi with max HST. just my guess though...
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 08, 2019, 10:50:37 PM
Fuzzy, what was the fortitudes regulator set at? my best guess is due to the pressure drop from filling the now larger ports. i think i have the same problem with my gauntlet 22. too much porting, low pressure 1300psi. ports with stock setting i got 100fps lower than oem. but the upside is i can go as high as 38fpe at 1300psi with max HST. just my guess though...


Fortitude was around 1600psi stock.  I increased the plenum allot, and reg to 1900psi for a 25 cal conversion: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152837.msg155681362#msg155681362 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152837.msg155681362#msg155681362)
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Post by: smythsg on February 08, 2019, 11:50:51 PM
Nicely done Stephen, supurb workmanship!!!!
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Post by: Chester on February 09, 2019, 02:27:45 AM
Stephen: You have done a remarkable job and your attention to detail is admirable. Congratulations! Chet
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Post by: Wayne52 on February 09, 2019, 04:16:19 AM
I really like that thumbhole stock that you made there Stephen it's stunning to say the least !!!
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Post by: Bob Pratl on February 09, 2019, 06:09:20 AM
Stephen, Very nice design and build, you can't beat a wood stock.
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Post by: stretch on February 09, 2019, 08:46:27 AM
@Stephen - I watched your YouTube video on adding a crown to the barrel.  Are you seeing any difference now that you've done it?

@Anyone - I think I read that the power control dial only affects the output power and has no effect on how many shots you get per fill.  Is that right?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 09, 2019, 09:10:23 AM
@Stephen - I watched your YouTube video on adding a crown to the barrel.  Are you seeing any difference now that you've done it?

@Anyone - I think I read that the power control dial only affects the output power and has no effect on how many shots you get per fill.  Is that right?

Hey Stretch, I have not had a chance to test the barrel yet. I told my wife we really should move to North Carolina cause everyone is moving there. Truth...I want some warmer weather so I can shoot more often. I'll let you know how the barrel performs as soon as possible.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 09, 2019, 09:11:18 AM
Thank you to everyone for the feedback on the stock. I will post a "how to" video later today.
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Post by: Pursang on February 09, 2019, 11:51:00 AM
@Stephen - I watched your YouTube video on adding a crown to the barrel.  Are you seeing any difference now that you've done it?

@Anyone - I think I read that the power control dial only affects the output power and has no effect on how many shots you get per fill.  Is that right?

Hey Stretch, I have not had a chance to test the barrel yet. I told my wife we really should move to North Carolina cause everyone is moving there. Truth...I want some warmer weather so I can shoot more often. I'll let you know how the barrel performs as soon as possible.

Sorry, we're full, no vacancy!

Just kidding, last week we got into the mid to high 70s, and next week looks like mid 60s all week. Rare, even for here. Don't forget about the high 90s with high humidity in summer.

Nice work on the stock! Maybe you could do a video detailing the "screw swap" trigger mod. Probably be a lot of interest in that.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 09, 2019, 12:02:16 PM
In case you are interested in making your own thumb hole stock.

https://youtu.be/A54xUpM8bUI
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 09, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
All the more amazing given your first gunstock!   Also, mostly with hand power tools.  and also doing the video...  Thx.  I appreciate the process that went into this.

And I'm scared to try a adj cheek riser to the oem wood stock.  ::)
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Post by: Bob Pratl on February 09, 2019, 01:30:00 PM
Stephen, that is a very informative video and very well done. I'm sure that a lot of people will benefit by it and should encourage a lot of them to roll up their sleeves.
Thanks for a lot of well spent effort.
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Post by: stretch on February 09, 2019, 01:57:27 PM
... I told my wife we really should move to North Carolina cause everyone is moving there....

Ain't that the truth.  I'd guess 2/3 of the license plates down here are from NY/NJ, and that's during our "off season".

It's not all peaches and cream down here.  Besides the 90+ degrees and 100% humidity during the summer, we also have every biting insect and poisonous critter known to man.  I grew up in the country but even I find it hard to be outside for too long during the Summer.  And then there are hurricanes.  Most of my neighbors still have blue tarps on their roofs from Florence.  And yet we still get snow!  Last winter we had a couple feet of the white stuff and some roads were closed for a couple weeks.

But sure, come on down.  I'm sure we can squeeze you in somewhere!  ;)
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 09, 2019, 06:05:53 PM
Stephen, that is a very informative video and very well done. I'm sure that a lot of people will benefit by it and should encourage a lot of them to roll up their sleeves.
Thanks for a lot of well spent effort.

Thank you Bob! It's a very rewarding project.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 09, 2019, 06:32:16 PM
All the more amazing given your first gunstock!   Also, mostly with hand power tools.  and also doing the video...  Thx.  I appreciate the process that went into this.

And I'm scared to try a adj cheek riser to the oem wood stock.  ::)

 Thank you John. Yes, I was a bit apprehensive as well. What I've learned over the years of playing with wood is that even if you make a mistake there always a way to fix it. For instance, if I screwed up the cutting of cheek riser I had some scrap pieces left over that I was planning to make fit the cut.
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Post by: cosmic on February 09, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
SWEET !!!
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 10, 2019, 11:05:49 AM
Here is Part 2 of making an Airgun thumb hole stock.

https://youtu.be/lSob-1qYLzc
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on February 10, 2019, 12:17:37 PM
WOW!   :o  That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun!  Amazing craftsmanship!

Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle?  I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw.  I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe.  Thanks...
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 10, 2019, 01:54:07 PM
WOW!   :o  That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun!  Amazing craftsmanship!

Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle?  I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw.  I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe.  Thanks...

Hey Paul, Thank you! I believe it's the last screw behind the trigger that adjusts the second stage weight. I screwed it all the way down then backed it out incrementally until I got the lightest pull weight but I can still turn on the Manual safety. I hope that makes sense.
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Post by: Orion on February 10, 2019, 02:04:00 PM
WOW!   :o  That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun!  Amazing craftsmanship!

Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle?  I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw.  I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe.  Thanks...

Hey Paul, Thank you! I believe it's the last screw behind the trigger that adjusts the second stage weight. I screwed it all the way down then backed it out incrementally until I got the lightest pull weight but I can still turn on the Manual safety. I hope that makes sense.

Hi Stephen, Paul

I'm finishing editing the first of a series of videos I want to do about the Liberty. I'll document everything I'll be doing on it with short videos that can be used as reference.

The first has nothing, just first impressions and me shooting with the open sight. But later I'll cover trigger adjustment, fixing those magazines, hammer spring tuning, regulator adjustment and all the things you guys have documented on this post!

I'll post the video here in this thread when finished
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 10, 2019, 02:11:04 PM
Paul - That sounds like the Liberty bible we've all been looking forward to.
Wish someone would do one on how to convert the Probe Fill to a Foster Fill. Or is that even possible?

Many thanks!
Looking forward to it!
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 10, 2019, 06:47:31 PM
WOW!   :o  That stock is beautiful! You just turned that $300 gun into a $1000 gun!  Amazing craftsmanship!

Now that I'm drooling, anyone seen a video on how to adjust the trigger on this rifle?  I have swapped the two back screws, but I'm not sure what else to adjust for what or how much to adjust which screw.  I'm looking to lighten the trigger as much as possible, yet still be safe.  Thanks...

Hey Paul, Thank you! I believe it's the last screw behind the trigger that adjusts the second stage weight. I screwed it all the way down then backed it out incrementally until I got the lightest pull weight but I can still turn on the Manual safety. I hope that makes sense.

Hi Stephen, Paul

I'm finishing editing the first of a series of videos I want to do about the Liberty. I'll document everything I'll be doing on it with short videos that can be used as reference.

The first has nothing, just first impressions and me shooting with the open sight. But later I'll cover trigger adjustment, fixing those magazines, hammer spring tuning, regulator adjustment and all the things you guys have documented on this post!

I'll post the video here in this thread when finished

Hey Orion, that sounds great. It will be very helpful to everyone plus I like watching airgun videos more than netflix
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Post by: Orion on February 10, 2019, 11:37:21 PM
Hey folks,

I just uploaded the video. Hope we can document most of the pain points, and adjustments through this series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw)

Hope you like it!
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 11, 2019, 06:37:45 AM
Hey folks,

I just uploaded the video. Hope we can document most of the pain points, and adjustments through this series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw)

Hope you like it!

Wow, your extreme spread was very tight. Thanks for the mention. If I may make one suggestion when making future videos.  when speaking to your audience wear a microphone lavalier or film indoors where it's quiet so we can concentrate on your voice. There was a lot of ambience noise from the traffic. Otherwise great job and I look forward to watching your series on this gun. Bravo
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Post by: Orion on February 11, 2019, 08:09:08 AM
Stephen, thanks for the suggestion. When I started I bought a camera and spend some money on it without realizing how important was the mic input, this camera didn’t have one :(

I’ve been trying to film inside, but sometimes it’s impossible, I have a newborn baby and that ambulance at the end of the video doesn’t even compare with my baby crying....

I’ve been thinking in a solution for the mic, don’t know if I can buy something that allows me to record just the voice and then put everything together when editing, if not, I’ll have to wait a bit and spend in a better camera... everything today cost $1000, well, not everything, the Nova Liberty is an exception.

If you or anyone have any suggestion on how I can improve this in the meantime I’ll highly appreciate it! Maybe there is a Nova Liberty of the cameras but Im not aware...
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 11, 2019, 08:51:41 AM
Stephen, thanks for the suggestion. When I started I bought a camera and spend some money on it without realizing how important was the mic input, this camera didn’t have one :(

I’ve been trying to film inside, but sometimes it’s impossible, I have a newborn baby and that ambulance at the end of the video doesn’t even compare with my baby crying....

I’ve been thinking in a solution for the mic, don’t know if I can buy something that allows me to record just the voice and then put everything together when editing, if not, I’ll have to wait a bit and spend in a better camera... everything today cost $1000, well, not everything, the Nova Liberty is an exception.

If you or anyone have any suggestion on how I can improve this in the meantime I’ll highly appreciate it! Maybe there is a Nova Liberty of the cameras but Im not aware...

Congratulations on your new born! Yes, that's another great solution. I use a stand alone voice recorder when I film weddings as a backup. You can buy a voice recorder on eBay or Amazon for $30 to $50 that's pretty good.

Here is a Sony with good reviews. But please do your own research.i hate to recommend something onnthe fly.
Sony ICD-PX370 Mono Digital Voice Recorder with Built-in USB Voice Recorder https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4)
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Post by: Orion on February 11, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
Stephen, thanks for the suggestion. When I started I bought a camera and spend some money on it without realizing how important was the mic input, this camera didn’t have one :(

I’ve been trying to film inside, but sometimes it’s impossible, I have a newborn baby and that ambulance at the end of the video doesn’t even compare with my baby crying....

I’ve been thinking in a solution for the mic, don’t know if I can buy something that allows me to record just the voice and then put everything together when editing, if not, I’ll have to wait a bit and spend in a better camera... everything today cost $1000, well, not everything, the Nova Liberty is an exception.

If you or anyone have any suggestion on how I can improve this in the meantime I’ll highly appreciate it! Maybe there is a Nova Liberty of the cameras but Im not aware...

Congratulations on your new born! Yes, that's another great solution. I use a stand alone voice recorder when I film weddings as a backup. You can buy a voice recorder on eBay or Amazon for $30 to $50 that's pretty good.

Here is a Sony with good reviews. But please do your own research.i hate to recommend something onnthe fly.
Sony ICD-PX370 Mono Digital Voice Recorder with Built-in USB Voice Recorder https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XFTWCBJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_gbxyCb4MCSPS4)

just found this little guy: https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microphone-Omnidirectional-Recording-Conference/dp/B01AG56HYQ/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1549889863&sr=1-5&keywords=microphone+lavalier+wireless (https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microphone-Omnidirectional-Recording-Conference/dp/B01AG56HYQ/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1549889863&sr=1-5&keywords=microphone+lavalier+wireless)
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 11, 2019, 09:16:27 AM
ust found this little guy: https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microphone-Omnidirectional-Recording-Conference/dp/B01AG56HYQ/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1549889863&sr=1-5&keywords=microphone+lavalier+wireless (https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microphone-Omnidirectional-Recording-Conference/dp/B01AG56HYQ/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1549889863&sr=1-5&keywords=microphone+lavalier+wireless)
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The good thing about the voice recorder is that you don't have to be close to the camera. I see it comes with a 79" cable but then you are limited to about 6feet from the camera.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 12, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
Here is a hammer spring adjuster I made for ATI nova Liberty. This is easy and no permanent changes to the gun.

https://youtu.be/fqmmg9xikME
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Post by: Orion on February 12, 2019, 04:57:01 PM
wow, this is great! Now we really need a custom stock :)
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Post by: Fwawa20 on February 12, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
Great video Stephen seems easy enough to do. These rifles are going to be seeing lots of mods from many more folks. Keep up the good work guys.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 12, 2019, 05:33:17 PM
Stephen,

Thx for the ideas and always love it when someone is using the same lathe as I have.  :)   

BTW, agree that having an external adjustable regulator should have a external hammer preload adjuster.  I have been looking into options, but also trying to incorporate a SSG. 

For your adjuster, did you go to two smaller pins to hold the alum block in the action or just using the stock to hold it in place?   

FWIW: When there is no preload, like the stock setting or further back, or low preload from the hammer spring, the adjuster will tend to move.  You might want to consider adding a grub screw w/nylon tip to the alum block to be able apply tension to the threads. 


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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 12, 2019, 06:11:20 PM
When looking for more power do you adjust the regulator first or the hammer spring first?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 12, 2019, 08:15:28 PM
Stephen,

Thx for the ideas and always love it when someone is using the same lathe as I have.  :)   

BTW, agree that having an external adjustable regulator should have a external hammer preload adjuster.  I have been looking into options, but also trying to incorporate a SSG. 

For your adjuster, did you go to two smaller pins to hold the alum block in the action or just using the stock to hold it in place?   

FWIW: When there is no preload, like the stock setting or further back, or low preload from the hammer spring, the adjuster will tend to move.  You might want to consider adding a grub screw w/nylon tip to the alum block to be able apply tension to the threads.

John, the stock is holding the aluminum block in place. I was going to use two grub screws but i don't want to alter the original pin holes. Yes, I put Felton tape around the the screw to create friction. Maybe a nylon screw will be better thanks
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 12, 2019, 08:17:43 PM
When looking for more power do you adjust the regulator first or the hammer spring first?

IMHO I would set the regulator and hammer together to shoot the heaviest pellet at your desired speed. Then you can always turn down the hammer spring adjuster for lighter pellets.
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Post by: RichH on February 12, 2019, 08:43:22 PM
Stephen,

Thx for the ideas and always love it when someone is using the same lathe as I have.  :)   

BTW, agree that having an external adjustable regulator should have a external hammer preload adjuster.  I have been looking into options, but also trying to incorporate a SSG. 

For your adjuster, did you go to two smaller pins to hold the alum block in the action or just using the stock to hold it in place?   

FWIW: When there is no preload, like the stock setting or further back, or low preload from the hammer spring, the adjuster will tend to move.  You might want to consider adding a grub screw w/nylon tip to the alum block to be able apply tension to the threads.

John, the stock is holding the aluminum block in place. I was going to use two grub screws but i don't want to alter the original pin holes. Yes, I put Felton tape around the the screw to create friction. Maybe a nylon screw will be better thanks

Looking at the diagram doesn't the rear stock screw (the one going thru the rear of trigger guard) line up with that piece. You could just get a slightly longer bolt and tap your block for the bolt. (M5?)
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 12, 2019, 09:22:28 PM
Looking at the diagram doesn't the rear stock screw (the one going thru the rear of trigger guard) line up with that piece. You could just get a slightly longer bolt and tap your block for the bolt. (M5?)


Good catch.  I hadn't noticed that screw came up that far.  A slightly longer screw and a pocket in the block should work. 
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Post by: superchikn on February 12, 2019, 09:35:17 PM
Here is a hammer spring adjuster I made for ATI nova Liberty. This is easy and no permanent changes to the gun.


Stephen,
I like your solution.  I have been planning to drill and tap my spring guide block, slot the guide for a cross bar and then drill my stock for access.  I was holding off to see if replacements would become available so I did not risk ruining the factory piece.
I just order a 2 1/4" x 5/16 - 28 hex drive set screw to try my own version of your solution.  I will drill a hole in the stock to allow an Allen wrench access.  Sweet!!!
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 12, 2019, 10:10:48 PM
Here is a hammer spring adjuster I made for ATI nova Liberty. This is easy and no permanent changes to the gun.



Stephen,
I like your solution.  I have been planning to drill and tap my spring guide block, slot the guide for a cross bar and then drill my stock for access.  I was holding off to see if replacements would become available so I did not risk ruining the factory piece.
I just order a 2 1/4" x 5/16 - 28 hex drive set screw to try my own version of your solution.  I will drill a hole in the stock to allow an Allen wrench access.  Sweet!!!
I like that idea 💡👍🏾
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Post by: SoCalZac on February 12, 2019, 11:20:38 PM
I finally cleaned the barrel a couple days ago and was able to shoot today. Cleaning the barrel definitely improved accuracy. I set up targets at 30 yards and 42 yards. I ended up getting 50 shots on high from 3600-2000. There was no wind to speak of and I was getting about 1/2” groups with a variety of different pellets. Everytime I shoot this gun I am impressed with it the shot count.

I did have a magazine screw up on me today but I was able to take the mag apart and fix it.
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Post by: Letum on February 13, 2019, 03:44:52 AM
Good morning all

For those that have tinkered with the hammer spring:
- Have you reached a limit/maximum or perceived safety limit when turning up the hammer spring tension?

I need to turn down my regulator a bit as it still has a minor air leak.

The shims I am using are 0.8mm (or 0.031 inch) thick, and I am currently running 3 with no factory shims installed. I am currently playing with the idea of turning the reg about 1/8 turn and upping the number of shims to 5. Therefore putting me at 4mm/0.155 inch added hammer tension. However this is much more than factory specced so just want to test the water of knowledge first.

PS. @Banker, I love the adjustable hammer tension screw!!! I might end up going that route at some point, however the idea of just the stock keeping it in place does scare me a bit. So if I do go that route I'll do a double pin through the top and bottom of the block. 
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Post by: Letum on February 13, 2019, 03:46:21 AM

I did have a magazine screw up on me today but I was able to take the mag apart and fix it.

Both of mine have given issues in that the spring would slip out the hole in the back. I used Superglue Gel in the hole to glue to spring into place, used a Dremel tool to smooth it out once dried and no issues from there.
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Post by: Wayne52 on February 13, 2019, 04:30:09 AM
Stephen you're an enabler but I don't really mean it offensively, you have a way of really putting a SHINE on that Liberty no doubt.  I'm so tempted to buy a new airgun again but I'm still really happy with what I got right now. It's been a while since I bought any hunting rifles and they're the last three that I've bought which are the DAR (Dynamic Air Rifle) and they were also a bargain IMO but did need a considerable amount of tinkering to get them how I wanted them.  I haven't seen much on them recently but the GenII is supposed to be coming out this year which will be much better out of the box then mine were hopefully.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 13, 2019, 08:33:02 AM
The shims I am using are 0.8mm (or 0.031 inch) thick, and I am currently running 3 with no factory shims installed. I am currently playing with the idea of turning the reg about 1/8 turn and upping the number of shims to 5. Therefore putting me at 4mm/0.155 inch added hammer tension. However this is much more than factory specced so just want to test the water of knowledge first.


In Stephan's video, he took it right up to coil bind, where the sear won't latch.  That is just past the max.  I don't think 5 washers (0.155") is going to put the spring in coil bind, but if it does, just take one out.  At least on my 22, the oem three + 1 would just take the gap out.  So, about 0.087" is just taking out the gap.  So only about 0.068" preload on the spring. 

Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Now, the other thing in play here, is the stock setup is like a SSG.  There is no preload and the gap protects against hammer bounce.  Adding preload adds dwell to the poppet, most of which is on the return (closing).  At some point you start wasting air if the pellet is so far down the barrel before it closes.  You may also see hammer bounce, that wastes air.   As in anything, no free lunch.

UPDATE:
I found some nylon washers in my parts boxes.  I had different widths, but just used the thinnest ones which are 0.032" thick.  5 nylon plus the 3 oem, it went into coil bind.  4 nylon (0.130") + 3 oem (0.060") was able to cock and latch the sear. 


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 13, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I pumped my Liberty to (what I thought was) 4,100 psi on Monday and then when I looked at it Tuesday morning it looked like the pressure had dropped to 3,800 psi.  I may not have looked at the gauge very carefully on Monday, so I took a photo Tuesday morning and then again this morning (24 hours later).  If you look carefully, it does look like the needle has dropped maybe 80 psi.  The rifle has sat on my bench in the house, so there haven't been any major temperature changes.  Is this a big enough leak to be concerned about?  What do the PCP experts think?
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Post by: Abefroman on February 13, 2019, 09:04:07 AM
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why.  I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain.   I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place.   My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards. 

So, I'm kinda perplexed here.  I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it.  And then maybe crown the barrel.   I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is.  Other than that, I dont know what to do.  Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!!  what's going on here ?  anyone?

Cheers
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 13, 2019, 09:48:45 AM
Quote
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.
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Post by: Back_Roads on February 13, 2019, 10:09:10 AM
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why.  I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain.   I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place.   My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards. 

So, I'm kinda perplexed here.  I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it.  And then maybe crown the barrel.   I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is.  Other than that, I dont know what to do.  Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!!  what's going on here ?  anyone?

Cheers

 Are the pellets keeping a low ES, or are they going up and down in 2 digit increments ?

 Possibly the crown, or something loose in the setup causing POI issues.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on February 13, 2019, 10:18:12 AM
The shims I am using are 0.8mm (or 0.031 inch) thick, and I am currently running 3 with no factory shims installed. I am currently playing with the idea of turning the reg about 1/8 turn and upping the number of shims to 5. Therefore putting me at 4mm/0.155 inch added hammer tension. However this is much more than factory specced so just want to test the water of knowledge first.


In Stephan's video, he took it right up to coil bind, where the sear won't latch.  That is just past the max.  I don't think 5 washers (0.155") is going to put the spring in coil bind, but if it does, just take one out.  At least on my 22, the oem three + 1 would just take the gap out.  So, about 0.087" is just taking out the gap.  So only about 0.068" preload on the spring. 

Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Now, the other thing in play here, is the stock setup is like a SSG.  There is no preload and the gap protects against hammer bounce.  Adding preload adds dwell to the poppet, most of which is on the return (closing).  At some point you start wasting air if the pellet is so far down the barrel before it closes.  You may also see hammer bounce, that wastes air.   As in anything, no free lunch.

Ahhh OK thank you for the explanation. So in short a proper balance of the 2 should be aimed for? For me it's not about gaining more fps at this stage. 850fps is about my gun's happy place. However I need to turn the reg in a bit, it's just just over the limit causing some air to leak. However I need to balance the lowering of the reg somehow to keep the fps roundabout where it is at the moment. I'll up the spring by 2 and see what happens. Will there be an audible signal I need to listen for when testing the 5 shims? 
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Post by: Orion on February 13, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
I pumped my Liberty to (what I thought was) 4,100 psi on Monday and then when I looked at it Tuesday morning it looked like the pressure had dropped to 3,800 psi.  I may not have looked at the gauge very carefully on Monday, so I took a photo Tuesday morning and then again this morning (24 hours later).  If you look carefully, it does look like the needle has dropped maybe 80 psi.  The rifle has sat on my bench in the house, so there haven't been any major temperature changes.  Is this a big enough leak to be concerned about?  What do the PCP experts think?

Hey stretch,

Did you try to tighten a bit the bleeding screw at the bottom of the stock?
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 13, 2019, 11:36:04 AM
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why.  I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain.   I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place.   My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards. 

So, I'm kinda perplexed here.  I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it.  And then maybe crown the barrel.   I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is.  Other than that, I dont know what to do.  Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!!  what's going on here ?  anyone?

Cheers

You are running at a power level and using pellets that others have reported decent accuracy, so would not try to adjust reg/spring to fix this.  Starting with a good cleaning of the barrel, checking the crown and leade for burrs, and for any damage in the rifling.  For accuracy testing, use the ss tray and make sure pellet centered in channel and close bolt slowly, to feed evenly into leade.

Also check the shroud end cap for possible clipping.  Even try it without the endcap or any baffles, if you installed them.  It is going to be loud, but if the flyers go away, that is a good clue.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 13, 2019, 11:47:29 AM
Quote
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.

No, I don't think it does.  I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock.  From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range.  Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve.  At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it.   Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee.  The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.



 
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Post by: Orion on February 13, 2019, 11:52:16 AM
Quote
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.

No, I don't think it does.  I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock.  From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range.  Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve.  At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it.   Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee.  The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.

+1  That! ^
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Post by: Orion on February 13, 2019, 12:00:34 PM
but this is also interesting:

when only playing with 2 variables, HST and regulator set point what you described is right, but check this thread, add another variable (the transfer port opening) and now higher pressures can lead to more efficiency....

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114)


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Post by: stretch on February 13, 2019, 01:15:49 PM
I pumped my Liberty to (what I thought was) 4,100 psi on Monday and then when I looked at it Tuesday morning it looked like the pressure had dropped to 3,800 psi.  I may not have looked at the gauge very carefully on Monday, so I took a photo Tuesday morning and then again this morning (24 hours later).  If you look carefully, it does look like the needle has dropped maybe 80 psi.  The rifle has sat on my bench in the house, so there haven't been any major temperature changes.  Is this a big enough leak to be concerned about?  What do the PCP experts think?

Hey stretch,

Did you try to tighten a bit the bleeding screw at the bottom of the stock?

Boy, I hope that's it.  I just tried to tighten it, it was pretty tight already.  I'll see what the pressure is tomorrow.  Thanks!
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 13, 2019, 02:14:57 PM
but this is also interesting:

when only playing with 2 variables, HST and regulator set point what you described is right, but check this thread, add another variable (the transfer port opening) and now higher pressures can lead to more efficiency....

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114)

The pressure where the gun is most efficient, might not result in highest shot count, ie what Allan said in that thread.    So lets say that the gun is more efficient at 2600 then 2000.  At 2600 you are working with 4K to 2.6K, but for the latter 4k to 2k. 

Yes, porting is another variable, as is the plenum size.  The small plenum, I feel, is holding this gun back, more than anything. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 13, 2019, 02:50:31 PM
but this is also interesting:

when only playing with 2 variables, HST and regulator set point what you described is right, but check this thread, add another variable (the transfer port opening) and now higher pressures can lead to more efficiency....

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=154625.msg155704114#msg155704114)

The pressure where the gun is most efficient, might not result in highest shot count, ie what Allan said in that thread.    So lets say that the gun is more efficient at 2600 then 2000.  At 2600 you are working with 4K to 2.6K, but for the latter 4k to 2k. 

Yes, porting is another variable, as is the plenum size.  The small plenum, I feel, is holding this gun back, more than anything.

But given a fixed plenum size, the question is, for this gun, what's the most efficient way to increase the power.

It will be really good to find the right relationship between
- regulator
- HST
- TP

given the fixed plenum size.
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Post by: Abefroman on February 13, 2019, 03:14:13 PM
Hey Guys - I've done a few mods to my liberty, but my shot groups are all over the place and I cant figure out why.  I've turned the regulator 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer spring with two washers, ported the barrel and power knob to 3/16" and I'm getting around 900+ish with H&N Baracuda Match 21.14 and 920+ish with JSB 18.1 grain.   I've adjusted the regulator and the hammer spring shims many many times, but at 50 yards, my groups are still all over the place.   My .22 gauntlet is extremely accurate at 50 yards. 

So, I'm kinda perplexed here.  I think my next task is to take the barrel off and clean the H*LL out of it.  And then maybe crown the barrel.   I'm also gonna swap out the scope in case that is the problem, but I doubt it is.  Other than that, I dont know what to do.  Last night I shot a string of the baracuda match 21.14 grains and i actually got 3 shots in a row pretty much in the same spot, but then my follow up shots were 8 inches away !!!  what's going on here ?  anyone?

Cheers

You are running at a power level and using pellets that others have reported decent accuracy, so would not try to adjust reg/spring to fix this.  Starting with a good cleaning of the barrel, checking the crown and leade for burrs, and for any damage in the rifling.  For accuracy testing, use the ss tray and make sure pellet centered in channel and close bolt slowly, to feed evenly into leade.

Also check the shroud end cap for possible clipping.  Even try it without the endcap or any baffles, if you installed them.  It is going to be loud, but if the flyers go away, that is a good clue.

Excellent advice - thanks a bunch.. I'll try all of that !!!
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 13, 2019, 05:09:43 PM
I had tried one of the Crosman NP 2 baffles in mine and took it out as it made my groups open up, others are using it without problem. I also chased a poi shift issue briefly that was related to my scope rings becoming loose after install, remounted my scope and all is fine now. I don't think my UTG rings were biting into the dovetail as they should have been.
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Post by: superchikn on February 13, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
I've been having curious results with mine.  Its a 22.

 Out of the box it did not qroup well with much of anything, AA 16s being the best  I cleaned the barrel and dressed the crown and the leade.
 Some improvement, started to like AA 18s.  Scrubbed the bore with brush and JBs paste, minor improvement.  Sometimes hole in hole with this pellet or that, one day JSB 18.13 hole in hole then the lighter AAs.  Barracudas have yet to do anything for me.Been bumping up the power incrementally as I figured maybe the heavier pellets needed more speed.  At about 31fpe AA 16s were great at my standard 30 yds.  At 100 yds JSB 18.13s at about 870 fps were getting 2" groups.  I was not at all in an ideal shooting position so I am sure it would have shot better.
Then it was not shooting well...again.  Cleaned the barrel again, checked for burrs moved the barrel band around.  I have shot with various baffles and none. They are not clipping the shroud cap.  As I continue to increase power some heavy pellets are starting to shoot well ie Pile drivers, JSB monsters etc. and expectedly some of the lighter pellets are spreading out but all in all I am not seeing the consistency I hoped for. 

I have the $28 Chinese chrony and I can put some strings together this weekend if that would help. 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 13, 2019, 05:50:59 PM
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22?  I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 13, 2019, 07:10:06 PM
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22?  I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?

stretch,

I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 13, 2019, 08:13:43 PM
Quote
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.

No, I don't think it does.  I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock.  From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range.  Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve.  At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it.   Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee.  The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.

My goal is to be able to shoot jsb monsters at 920fps as efficiently as possible. Set regulator and HST with TP at 3/16" for the heavies pellets. Then lower hammer spring tension to shoot lighter pellets. The way I see it,  If I can get, let's say, 30 shots of jsb monsters 25 grain at 920fps then I should be able to get 40 shots with H&N 21 grain at 900 for and then 50 shots with jsb heavies 18 grain at 890fps.

Please correct me if I've got this wrong.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 13, 2019, 08:38:49 PM
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22?  I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?

stretch,

I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it

I took a photo of mine about 7 hours ago and I noticed a very slight increase in pressure a few hours later.  Right now it's back to where it started.  I'll wait the full 24 hours before making conclusions.

What pressure are you filling yours to?  I pumped mine up to just under 4,000 psi before taking it to the range today.  I'm also seeing some of the inconsistent groupings someone else reported.  I especially noticed how the elevation POI changed at 50 yds.  I'd get a couple rounds that were dead on the bull, then a few that were an inch or two high, then another couple rounds that were an inch or two low.  My guess is that it's the regulator that's causing this.  But when it's consistent, it's hole in hole even at 50 yards.  I've only put maybe 150 rounds through the barrel, only cleaned the barrel once and everything else is exactly as I got it.  I'll give it at least another 100 rounds before making any conclusions or changes.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on February 13, 2019, 10:25:27 PM
It took my regulator time to settle in, still get an occasional hiccup but most shots are pretty consistent
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 13, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
It took my regulator time to settle in, still get an occasional hiccup but most shots are pretty consistent

What pressure are you filling to?  And what pressure do you stop to refill?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 13, 2019, 11:19:56 PM
Quote
Adjusting hammer preload in a regulated gun, really is not the right way for power increases/decreases, unless you are only looking at minor fps tweaks.  It is mainly needed to follow the reg pressure adjustment.  If you raise the pressure, it takes more energy to break the poppet free from the seat.  Hence needing preload on the spring.  Drop the reg pressure, and need to lower hammer energy, or will start over-dwelling and wasting air. 

Does this not contradict what Steven has done in his video? His results are pretty impressive.

No, I don't think it does.  I believe he is running with the reg set significantly higher than stock.  From one of his other videos, I think in the 2600-2700psi range.  Generally, you want to be running just below the knee in the curve.  At the knee, you apply more preload and get less increase out of it.   Assuming he still running in that range, he could start dropping the reg pressure, then run the preload up to just below the knee.  The lower he can get the reg pressure and still reach the power he wants at just below the knee, the better the shot count.

My goal is to be able to shoot jsb monsters at 920fps as efficiently as possible. Set regulator and HST with TP at 3/16" for the heavies pellets. Then lower hammer spring tension to shoot lighter pellets. The way I see it,  If I can get, let's say, 30 shots of jsb monsters 25 grain at 920fps then I should be able to get 40 shots with H&N 21 grain at 900 for and then 50 shots with jsb heavies 18 grain at 890fps.

Please correct me if I've got this wrong.


My comment was setting it up for one particular pellet at a particular power, not trying to run three different pellets at different speeds.  It was not meant in any way that you were doing anything wrong. 

I think your scenario you describe above, depends on where you end up with the tune for the monsters, meeting the "efficiently as possible" requirement.   Lets say you run a heavier spring, and you were to get back to the oem zero, actual negative preload, and hit your power goal.  That would be more efficient than running a lighter spring with heavy preload.   Now, with that more efficient tune for the monsters, there is no ability to back-off further for the lighter pellets. 

That is not saying you can't find a reg pressure/preload, that achieves all three goals within the preload range you have.  It would probably, not be optimized for any of the three, though.    If you were to achive the 30 with monsters, given what data you showed in the video, the other two power level/shot counts are in the reasonable range. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 13, 2019, 11:28:21 PM
It took my regulator time to settle in, still get an occasional hiccup but most shots are pretty consistent

Has the accuracy followed right along with the regulator settling in?
Which pellet does it like and did that change with regulator settling in?

Yea I know I'm nosey but want to see if after my regulator settles in what can I expect. Mine seems to be settled in already
but I think it's a bit early.
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 14, 2019, 12:56:45 AM
Mine shoots three pellets reasonably well but I've settled on the JSB 18.13's as I have more of them, they're slightly more accurate and they are less expensive than the H&N 21 grain Barracuda match. The third is JSB 15.89's but they drift more in the wind at longer ranges. Just for Jollies today I tried the Crosman premier 14.3's again at 35 yards, they aren't bad but throw to many fliers for my liking. Now, to be honest, I don't weigh or sort my pellets, I just shoot them right from the tins so that can also account for an occasional hiccup in the group size, especially when shooting at 50 yards and beyond. Most of the time I'm shooting at 35 yards and most groups could be covered with a dime but there's always that occasional unexplained flier, even with the JSB's. In all fairness I've watched many a youtube video of high dollar rifles being shot with similar ammo that aren't doing any better out of some pretty good shooters.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 14, 2019, 01:36:52 AM
Stretch, i only fill mine to 3600-3500psi. at 4000psi, it is runing low fps. too low to be included in a shot string with 30fps spread. even at 3600psi, i would waste 10-15 shots before the velocity is within range. your rifle may act differently. so it helps if you have a chronograph to watch the shot string from 4000psi. my POI drifts from left to right as the velocity climbs from 880 to 950 with cphp 14.3 grains. thats from 4000psi to 2600psi. from 3600 to 2600 psi. its consistant for 40 shots at 950fps.
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Post by: Orion on February 14, 2019, 02:12:42 AM
Stretch,

This was too funny, to answer your question I had to watch my own YouTube video. There when I show the the picture for the 300bar I can see that the rifle was filled at around 3800psi, and from there I just did 10 shots with the open sight, and the other 10 shots I did over the Chronny was something amazing. The regulator out of the box performed outstanding. Now, I haven’t done a complete shot string from 4000 to 2000 to see if the pressure can affect regulator creep. I’ll test this week.

I was having my issues with the scope rings, first I ordered High rings but without mounting the scope I noticed that they are too high and aiming results in a really uncomfortable position, like someone mentioned, cheek piece was actually a chin piece, didn’t like that. The medium rings arrived yesterday, so I’ll have scope this weekend.
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Post by: Letum on February 14, 2019, 06:11:30 AM
Good morning all

As per my previous post I upped the HST to 5 shims, and I continued to turn the reg down a bit (about a quarter turn). The Monster's are running at a calculated 920fps. Will most likely only get to a chroni during next week and will then do a quick shotstring.

Some observations:
1) This thing hits insanely hard!!! With a one shot kill of a pest bird (mynah) at 70m yesterday afternoon, I could hear the pellet hit.
2) Air usage per shot: I got about 30 shots from 50 bar. However I have no clue where it will fall off the reg, will only be able to confirm once I get a chroni.
3) Gun has increased a fair amount ito recoil, so definitely something to consider for the guys using scopecams.
4) Sound/volume wise, there as been a slight increase ito volume, however the silencer still does the trick.
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Post by: Orion on February 14, 2019, 07:08:30 AM
Good morning all

As per my previous post I upped the HST to 5 shims, and I continued to turn the reg down a bit (about a quarter turn). The Monster's are running at a calculated 920fps. Will most likely only get to a chroni during next week and will then do a quick shotstring.

Some observations:
1) This thing hits insanely hard!!! With a one shot kill of a pest bird (mynah) at 70m yesterday afternoon, I could hear the pellet hit.
2) Air usage per shot: I got about 30 shots from 50 bar. However I have no clue where it will fall off the reg, will only be able to confirm once I get a chroni.
3) Gun has increased a fair amount ito recoil, so definitely something to consider for the guys using scopecams.
4) Sound/volume wise, there as been a slight increase ito volume, however the silencer still does the trick.

And this is without changing the TP?
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Post by: Letum on February 14, 2019, 07:50:19 AM


And this is without changing the TP?

No change to the TP. For now they rifle is doing what I expect. I am happy with around 30-40 full power shots per fill, so might not be necessary to do the TP. However if I do get the urge I'll just clean it up a bit.
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Post by: stretch on February 14, 2019, 07:53:03 AM
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22?  I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?

stretch,

I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it

Here's my second test, this time only 18 hours.  It looks like the pressure went, oh so very slightly, -up-!  So I probably don't have a leak and I'm guessing that the very slight changes in needle position are caused by something else (maybe atmospheric pressure?).

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Post by: Orion on February 14, 2019, 07:56:43 AM
What's the "optimum" fill pressure people are finding for their stock / unmodded .22?  I seem to remember someone posted that they only fill to 3,600 psi because that was the start of their optimum pressure?

stretch,

I think I'm having the same drop in pressure that you just described, I'll keep an eye on it

Here's my second test, this time only 18 hours.  It looks like the pressure went, oh so very slightly, -up-!  So I probably don't have a leak and I'm guessing that the very slight changes in needle position are caused by something else (maybe atmospheric pressure?).

wow you might have discovered a "self pumping rifle" that's the future!!!
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Post by: stretch on February 14, 2019, 07:58:44 AM
Stretch, i only fill mine to 3600-3500psi. at 4000psi, it is runing low fps. too low to be included in a shot string with 30fps spread. even at 3600psi, i would waste 10-15 shots before the velocity is within range. your rifle may act differently. so it helps if you have a chronograph to watch the shot string from 4000psi. my POI drifts from left to right as the velocity climbs from 880 to 950 with cphp 14.3 grains. thats from 4000psi to 2600psi. from 3600 to 2600 psi. its consistant for 40 shots at 950fps.

Thanks, I'll give that a try.  Pumping to 4,000 psi isn't as easy as pumping to 3,600 even with my brand new Hills pump.  Funny how pumping my disco to 2,000 psi seems so easy now when just a few weeks ago I was complaining about it.  ;)
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Post by: Orion on February 14, 2019, 08:15:21 AM
I checked today and it looks I don't have a leak. It was that I missed to check how was the pressure after I did those 20 shots and of course it moved a bit and when I check yesterday I was comparing with the original fill pressure. It looks like all is good here
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Post by: Wheelman on February 14, 2019, 11:05:42 AM
Has anyone done a shot string with the rifle set on low power?
I ran a few shots just after receiving mine to see what the FPS difference was but haven't done anything more extensive.

CPHPs (14.3gr) at full power were at ~900fps and on low power were at ~700fps.
H&N Baracuda Hunter Xtremes (18.52gr) were ~850fps and ~650fps respectively.

I think I'd filled the rifle to ~3500psi for those shots and to leak test (no leaks so far).

Aside from those few shots I've ran a few more down the barrel to sight in a scope I mounted.
The rifle has been very consistent and I haven't seen the POI wandering around in anyway yet.

Wheelman
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 14, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
Ken,

I only did a quick test when I first started shooting it.  JSB 18.1 went from 850ish to 650ish.  I have no plans to run it outside full open. 

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Post by: Orion on February 14, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
Has anyone done a shot string with the rifle set on low power?
I ran a few shots just after receiving mine to see what the FPS difference was but haven't done anything more extensive.

CPHPs (14.3gr) at full power were at ~900fps and on low power were at ~700fps.
H&N Baracuda Hunter Xtremes (18.52gr) were ~850fps and ~650fps respectively.

I think I'd filled the rifle to ~3500psi for those shots and to leak test (no leaks so far).

Aside from those few shots I've ran a few more down the barrel to sight in a scope I mounted.
The rifle has been very consistent and I haven't seen the POI wandering around in anyway yet.

Wheelman

will do one this weekend and record it
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Post by: stretch on February 14, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
I'm starting to see improvement in my Liberty .22.  I've probably put 150 rounds down the barrel.  Today I pumped to 3,600 psi, shot to 2,600 psi and was shooting H&N FTT to 50 yards.  My rifle is still bone stock but I can see that my groups will shrink after I adjust the trigger (I don't have a correct sized wrench).  Here's my best group:

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Post by: superchikn on February 14, 2019, 12:29:54 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 14, 2019, 01:31:19 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.

Christmas in January!....AWESOME!
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Post by: Lastdog on February 14, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
Like to get one but don’t have the skill or tools. If you’re making any extras would like to buy one.💰💰💰
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 14, 2019, 03:11:50 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
that looks great.
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Post by: superchikn on February 14, 2019, 03:43:51 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
that looks great.
Thank you sir,
like I said I had elaborate plans to modify the factory piece but did not want to until I knew I could replace it if needed and you solution is so much simpler, So thank you.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 14, 2019, 04:19:31 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
that looks great.
Thank you sir,
like I said I had elaborate plans to modify the factory piece but did not want to until I knew I could replace it if needed and you solution is so much simpler, So thank you.

That's how it works...we feed off each others ideas. Are you planning on pinning the block either on the sides or the bottom using a longer stock screw?
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Post by: stretch on February 14, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
@Stephen - What are your 50 yard groups looking like after your work on the crown and other mods?  Since we're both mostly interested in long(ish) range target shooting I plan on following your footsteps...  :)
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Post by: superchikn on February 14, 2019, 04:48:14 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
that looks great.
Thank you sir,
like I said I had elaborate plans to modify the factory piece but did not want to until I knew I could replace it if needed and you solution is so much simpler, So thank you.

That's how it works...we feed off each others ideas. Are you planning on pinning the block either on the sides or the bottom using a longer stock screw?
Exactly! 

I also received 4-40 set screws in a few lengths which I believe I can tap into the pin holes of the block with out increasing the id of the holes and allowing the stock pin to be used if factory HS guide/block is reused.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 14, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
@Stephen - What are your 50 yard groups looking like after your work on the crown and other mods?  Since we're both mostly interested in long(ish) range target shooting I plan on following your footsteps...  :)

I have not had a chance to get to the range and test yet. The winds are always 13-19mph for the next few days. I will report as soon as I get out to the range.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 14, 2019, 07:12:00 PM


Look what arrived.  More than what I need.  Just need to turn it down.  Made the block up last night.  Drilled the hole in the stock but didn't take a pic.
Where did you get the long set screws? Do you have a link to share? Would like to see how you plan to pin the block
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 14, 2019, 08:52:18 PM

Exactly! 

I also received 4-40 set screws in a few lengths which I believe I can tap into the pin holes of the block with out increasing the id of the holes and allowing the stock pin to be used if factory HS guide/block is reused.

Worse case, going to a standard 1/8” pin shouldn’t be an issue.
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Post by: superchikn on February 14, 2019, 09:24:41 PM

Exactly! 

I also received 4-40 set screws in a few lengths which I believe I can tap into the pin holes of the block with out increasing the id of the holes and allowing the stock pin to be used if factory HS guide/block is reused.

Worse case, going to a standard 1/8” pin shouldn’t be an issue.

I tapped the block pin holes to 4-40 and inserted 4-40 x 1/8" pointed set screws and they hold nicely.  And the factory pin can still be used if you back to stock.

Linky https://www.mcmaster.com/92311A341 (https://www.mcmaster.com/92311A341)

Ken, I sent you a PM.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 15, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
boys i opened her up to .217 valve and block ports with my custom made valve...i blew the power adjustment knob. that section was too thin. going to make it out of steel and test the velocity without increase in plenum. i can already guess a sonic crack will happen with cphp. before the valve mod. i was already hitting 1050fps with .185 ports. looks likes .217 is the max without getting rid of the threads on top screw. .185 would be max if you guys plan to keep the oem power knob.
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Post by: Orion on February 15, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
boys i opened her up to .217 valve and block ports with my custom made valve...i blew the power adjustment knob. that section was too thin. going to make it out of steel and test the velocity without increase in plenum. i can already guess a sonic crack will happen with cphp. before the valve mod. i was already hitting 1050fps with .185 ports. looks likes .217 is the mas without getting rid of the threads on top screw. .195 would be max if you guys plan to keep the oem power knob.

be careful, be safe :)
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 15, 2019, 04:13:41 PM
yes i have always been very careful. guess i was getting carried away with trying out the new valve it didnt cross my mind to check the bored power knob. even at 3/16 i thought it was alreay too thin because the knob's rod only measured 7mm diameter. even 3/16 wont last very long...careful guys, stay behind the gun and let no one sit beside it.
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Post by: stretch on February 15, 2019, 04:22:26 PM
What weight pellet are you guys using or recommend for 100 yards?  I just tried some H&N FTT 14.6 g with reasonably good results.  Wondering if  heavier pellet might be better?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
Some finding to report:

My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.

I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 22fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.

Second finding,  I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.
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Post by: superchikn on February 15, 2019, 04:44:50 PM
Some finding to report:

My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.

I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.

Second finding,  I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.

Mine is now externally adjustable too!!!   I can't wait to shoot tomorrow.   ;D
Oh, and the days are finally getting longer.  WAHOOOOO.   OK I'm done.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
Some finding to report:

My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.

I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.

Second finding,  I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.

Mine is now externally adjustable too!!!   I can't wait to shoot tomorrow.   ;D
Oh, and the days are finally getting longer.  WAHOOOOO.   OK I'm done.

Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
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Post by: SoCalZac on February 15, 2019, 04:50:31 PM
Some finding to report:

My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.

I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.

Second finding,  I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.

Do you still have the additional shims on the HS or is this just with stock shims?  The first string was shot with no tension on the HS (just like stock) with the only mods being opening up the transfer port to 3/16” and a higher reg pressure?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 04:55:16 PM
Some finding to report:

My gun's regulator is set ~ 2050 psi (transfer port = 3/16") adjustable hammer spring set light (since it is adjustable I can only estimate the equivalence to stock stock with shims. Form experience My HS is set like stock.

I did a shot string with Gamo Match diablo 15.43 grain(pellet is not good for anything except to test velocity). I filled the gun to 3900psi and shot down to 2000psi. I got 84 shots at 33FPE (15.43 grain @ 980FPS) The Regulator was a goofy for the first 3 shots then settled down. ES was 75 fps over the 84 shots but if I remove the first 3 and last 4 shots my ES was 18fps. The regulator was solid from 3750psi to 2050psi.

Second finding,  I increased the hammer spring tension to near max and this gun produced 49.57 FPE with a JSB Monster 25.39grain going 937FPS. HOLY COW!!! I did not do a shot string not to waste JSB Monster Pellets but I would guess I can get about 30 shots or more at that power. I'll do a shot string next time I go to the range.

Do you still have the additional shims on the HS or is this just with stock shims?  The first string was shot with no tension on the HS (just like stock) with the only mods being opening up the transfer port to 3/16” and a higher reg pressure?

No shims, only the adjustable screw. I screwed the adjuster in till it felt a little tension which is similar to stock. Yes, 3/16 TP and reg set to about 2050psi
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Post by: Abefroman on February 15, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
Ok, this might be stupid, but for some reason I cant get the shroud off of the barrel.  I removed the barrel and then removed the little screw that screws the shroud to the plastic ring.  The shroud will move back and forth a couple of millimeters, but will not come off.  maybe the plastic where the screw hole is is raised a little bit, but I dont know.  I was gonna put something into the end of the shroud against the end of the barrel and "tap" it with a hammer, but I'd rather not.    any suggestions ?   

cheers
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Post by: SoCalZac on February 15, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
Sweet I’m going to have to open up the tp. I have been getting 80 shots with CPHP @ 850FPS from 3700-2000psi stock with no mods. If I can get around the same shot count with a little more power that’s awesome!
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 05:12:07 PM
Sweet I’m going to have to open up the tp. I have been getting 80 shots with CPHP @ 850FPS from 3700-2000psi stock with no mods. If I can get around the same shot count with a little more power that’s awesome!

That actually matches nicely with my findings. That probably means your reg is set to about 1950 psi or so with a smaller TP and slightly lighter pellet going about 100fps less than the Gamos. Nice.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 15, 2019, 05:21:57 PM
Mr. Thebanker. i am just wondering how do you find out the reg setting? by seeing the fps drop from regulated or getting a nanometer? i thought yours is at 2600 by your video. 80 consistant shots and max 49fpe. wow thats double shot count as mine and lots of power.

 btw, tap the side for a set screw. test and lock to your desired fps.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 05:24:58 PM
Mr. Thebanker. i am just wondering how do you find out the reg setting? by seeing the fps drop from regulated or getting a nanometer? i thought yours is at 2600 by your video. 80 consistant shots and max 49fpe. wow thats double shot count as mine and lots of power.

 no I adjusted the reg down after I made the HS adjuster. I noticed the fall off in for at about 2100 psi on the manometer on the gun.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 15, 2019, 05:35:32 PM
sweet! i thought the brass wheel functions only as the valve spring tention adjuster. as in left will loosen and right will tighten.
inside the valve body, there are small belleville washers, you didnt touch those correct? because i thought the only way to adjust the reg is via those washers. i may be confused to how this regulator works.
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Post by: RichH on February 15, 2019, 05:46:05 PM

Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81usJ-3oWyL._SY445_.jpg)
https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE (https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on February 15, 2019, 05:52:00 PM
Or drill and tap a nylon type set screw
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 06:02:14 PM
sweet! i thought the brass wheel functions only as the valve spring tention adjuster. as in left will loosen and right will tighten.
inside the valve body, there are small belleville washers, you didnt touch those correct? because i thought the only way to adjust the reg is via those washers. i may be confused to how this regulator works.

Funny you say that...I did open up the Regulator to see what was inside. Yes, there are belleville washers stacked If I remember correctly there are 3 or 4 pairs stacked as such (()) (()) (()) (())
I cleaned and lightly silicon-ed each washer not sure if that has anything to do with the reg behaving better.

the wheel on the reg block is only to adjust the distance from the white plastic delrin to the reg seat. The more you turn the brass wheel CCW the more space between the delrin and the reg seat therefore more pressure will build in the Plenum before the belliville springs close the regulator seat against the delrin seat. Yes, You can also change the order of the bellville washer to create more pressure. The more you stack the washer the stronger the belleville washers get. For instance you can stack them like this for more pressure (((()))) (((()))) same 16 washers but heavier spring load. But I do not recommend changing the washer configuration unless you are willing to tinker for days toget it right.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 06:02:50 PM

Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81usJ-3oWyL._SY445_.jpg)
https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE (https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE)

Thank you! that will do just fine.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on February 15, 2019, 06:22:37 PM

Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81usJ-3oWyL._SY445_.jpg)
https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE (https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE)

This is exactly what I used on mine.  I use it on my trigger screws too.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wheelman on February 15, 2019, 06:51:52 PM
I use it on my trigger screws too.
Speaking of the trigger screws, how did those ball tipped set screws you ordered from McMaster Carr work out?
I was messing with my trigger blade yesterday and using one of the stock screws just to experiment with I was able to configure a 2-stage setup.
It was a bit crunchy and the second stage was fairly stiff but it worked, so now I'm tempted to visit Home Depot to pickup a couple cap head screws to use as adjusters.
But, if those set screws you got from McMaster worked well I might order a couple of them instead.

Wheelman
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 15, 2019, 07:23:54 PM
i thought yours is at 2600 by your video.

That is where I also thought you were at.  After the port mods I think you said you were around 38FPE and 4 shims which is not far from max.  Going to the slightly heavier monsters, would tend gain a couple FPE.   Which you did in the adjuster video, around 43FPE.

Now, dropping the reg down 500psi, and getting more power.  You must have been approaching valve lock at the higher pressure.   I assumed you were up that high to begin with, because you weren't making the power you wanted at lower psi's. 

Also, the hammer energy is only around 20lb at full throw.  Adding a preload, given the short distance before coil bind, would only add about 4lb of force.

Making more sense to me now.  Thank's for clarifing. 



PS: My experience with vibratite, it works well on loose fittted threads.  Tight threads just seem to peel it off.  ie it worked well on hammer preload, but not on the throw adj for mrods.  Should work on your adjuster.




Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on February 15, 2019, 07:28:46 PM
Stephen,

Both my rifles have 24 washers. The stack pattern goes like this, starting at the muzzle end of the regulator: )((-)))))(-)(((()-((((()-()).

The stack pattern can be seen on page 10 of the parts/assembly instructions download. I printed it off, but my eyesight isn't what it use to be, so a good magnifying glass helped, lol!

Mike
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 15, 2019, 08:04:50 PM
Are those Bellevilles all the same thickness or different thicknesses?  If the same, that arrangement is pretty bad.  Several are just getting squashed flat or worse, being inverted and damaged.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 08:10:52 PM
Stephen,

Both my rifles have 24 washers. The stack pattern goes like this, starting at the muzzle end of the regulator: )((-)))))(-)(((()-((((()-()).

The stack pattern can be seen on page 10 of the parts/assembly instructions download. I printed it off, but my eyesight isn't what it use to be, so a good magnifying glass helped, lol!

Mike

Mike, sorry I did not pay attention to how many Bellevilles but they where not stacked that way or at least I did not put them back that way. Next time I take the gun apart, I'm sure it will be soon, I will pull the reg and take detail note of the washer stack.

I believe I put them back this wayz if there are 24 washers ((()))((()))((()))((()))
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on February 15, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
The washers are shaped exactly like tiny contact lenses and are all the same thickness. They are ever so slightly concave/convex, depending on how you look at them, of course. And the assembly diagram show the arrangement as one stack of three at either end, with three stacks of six in the middle.

I tried a few different arrangements, but the original was the one that worked the best. I'm running a gauge on my plenum, btw.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 15, 2019, 09:03:05 PM
I believe I put them back this wayz if there are 24 washers ((()))((()))((()))((()))

Indeed, that arrangement looks good.  3 parallel, 8 series.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 15, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
Below is the picture in the Excel file.  To me, it looks like the stack is:  )))((()))((()))((()))(((

I assume the gaps have to have convex back to back, soo they have to switch directions in the stack of six.  Thoughts?

PS: The picture that is underneigth this, shows a different configuration
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 15, 2019, 09:23:50 PM
Agreed, that picture is consistent with Stephen's comment.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on February 15, 2019, 09:27:47 PM
Both mine were configured like the picture you posted.

I might pull down the "experimental" rifle tonight and reconfigure the washers to match the Excel file, and see if I get any difference in regulator reaction.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on February 15, 2019, 09:39:11 PM
I use it on my trigger screws too.
Speaking of the trigger screws, how did those ball tipped set screws you ordered from McMaster Carr work out?
I was messing with my trigger blade yesterday and using one of the stock screws just to experiment with I was able to configure a 2-stage setup.
It was a bit crunchy and the second stage was fairly stiff but it worked, so now I'm tempted to visit Home Depot to pickup a couple cap head screws to use as adjusters.
But, if those set screws you got from McMaster worked well I might order a couple of them instead.

Wheelman
Hey Ken,
     I have no instrumentation to measure the improvement the ball tipped screws provided and they will not magically cure a trigger as we all know. 

     What I can tell you is that they fit perfectly and allow full range of adjustment especially versus a cap screw.
     As far as I'm concerned any time you have a screw with a polished, chrome plated, hardened ball end let alone a rolling ball tip it seems almost impossible that it would not offer an improvement over a regular screw even ones with rounded tips.
     So my answer is they worked great.  I got some in 4 mm for some of my other guns including my TO6 triggered D34.
    Ken how did you get the two stages in yours?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 15, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Below is the picture in the Excel file.  To me, it looks like the stack is:  )))((()))((()))((()))(((

I assume the gaps have to have convex back to back, soo they have to switch directions in the stack of six.  Thoughts?

PS: The picture that is underneigth this, shows a different configuration

I just took apart the regulator and yes, It is configured just like the manual. )))((()))((()))((()))(((

This might be helpful to those of you that had a hard time realigning the two blocks. I just realized what the slots on the stainless steel part of the regulator is for.  First you screw the regulator into the small block with the brass wheel nice and tight (do not over tighten) then screw the regulator attached to the small block into the receiver. It's OK if the small block does not butt directly up against the receiver. I have about 1 mm gap between the small block and the receiver. as long as the white washer on the reg sinks below the receiver block it is sealed. also there is a breathe hole that goes to atmosphere which probably breathes better if there is a gap.

Just shot a JSB Monster 25.39 grain 949 FPS that's 50.79FPE (sorry I'm crazy about power)
And the Eunjig 28.5 873fps that's only 48.24 FPE
and the Pile driver 30 grain 794 fps that only 42 FPE (these were so tight I almost could not close the breech)
and CPHP 14.3 grain 1106 FPS I could not go supersonic (I just tried adjust the hammer spring at least 20 times)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wheelman on February 15, 2019, 10:56:32 PM
    Ken how did you get the two stages in yours?
I put the original cap screw that was behind the trigger blade into the most rear hole and ran it all the way down. I adjusted the very front screw so the trigger was a single stage setup.
Then I put one of the stock screws into the hole directly behind the trigger blade and ran it down just short of the most rearward screw.
This sets up a geometry that forces the rear most screw to start releasing the sear before the other screw contacts it. You can feel when the forward screw contacts the sear, the force required to continue pulling the trigger rises substantially.
The setup was a bit gritty but it was obvious when the forward screw contacted the sear and it felt like releasing the pressure on the trigger allowed the sear to reset, but I can’t verify that.

I hope that explaintion made sense.

Wheelman
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on February 15, 2019, 11:05:07 PM
 Nice to see you getting that kind of power. I wouldn't mind sending you some of my BBT .22 30 gr. to test, seems even swagged to .215 they fit too tight in my Liberty, for my stock power levels. Sooner or later I will dive into mine,once you eager enthusiast finish ironing out the wrinkles :)
 On the other hand they do fit perfect and shoot true and hit hard out of my XISCO Sentry.
I'm not sure if they can be swagged down to my measurement of .2145, darn near a .20 cal.  ::) not that would be a bad thing. Other thought maybe I have a choked barrel, and it is on backwards  ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 16, 2019, 12:09:51 AM
Nice to see you getting that kind of power. I wouldn't mind sending you some of my BBT .22 30 gr. to test, seems even swagged to .215 they fit too tight in my Liberty, for my stock power levels. Sooner or later I will dive into mine,once you eager enthusiast finish ironing out the wrinkles :)
 On the other hand they do fit perfect and shoot true and hit hard out of my XISCO Sentry.
I'm not sure if they can be swagged down to my measurement of .2145, darn near a .20 cal.  ::) not that would be a bad thing. Other thought maybe I have a choked barrel, and it is on backwards  ???

WhaT is the distance that you shot the Sentry at?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 16, 2019, 12:15:40 AM
well guys. Stephen has reached my goal sooner than I. If only I didn't blow the power wheel yesterday I could have hit more than 50fpe I am sure. I am going to aim for 60fpe now.  8)
 There is nothing satisfying then hitting the Sonic crack men. My condor 22 hits Cphp at 1200fps with 18 inch barrel. It's truely satisfying.

It seems my washers are stacked like this .)))))))))((()))(((((((((. 9-3-3-9. Where can you download a manual?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Urbanhunter001 on February 16, 2019, 12:33:26 AM
Hey guys. I'm enjoying the wealth of content surrounding this gun, thanks for sharing with us! Unfortunately though, it seems the regulator in my rifle is malfunctioning or does not work at all.

The issue I'm having is that my POI is different EVERYTIME I fill the rifle to about 3600 psi. On top of that, my gun seems to fall off the regulator just after 30 shots (as I can see pellet drop). I don't have a chronograph to see the consistency/inconsistencies but I am getting around 70 shots on high. I've even bought a new scope to help isolate the issue but to no avail.

Right now I'm using Crossman Premiere in 22 but am ordering some JSB 18.3 soon. Any advice would be much appreciated as I am super bummed that I'm not getting the performance that every seems to rave about. 😩😩😩
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on February 16, 2019, 04:35:10 AM


WhaT is the distance that you shot the Sentry at?
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 I have only had a chance to take it out to 50 yards so far but dead on 5 shots in a quarter off tha back of my truck.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 16, 2019, 07:55:41 AM
Hey guys. I'm enjoying the wealth of content surrounding this gun, thanks for sharing with us! Unfortunately though, it seems the regulator in my rifle is malfunctioning or does not work at all.

The issue I'm having is that my POI is different EVERYTIME I fill the rifle to about 3600 psi. On top of that, my gun seems to fall off the regulator just after 30 shots (as I can see pellet drop). I don't have a chronograph to see the consistency/inconsistencies but I am getting around 70 shots on high. I've even bought a new scope to help isolate the issue but to no avail.

Right now I'm using Crossman Premiere in 22 but am ordering some JSB 18.3 soon. Any advice would be much appreciated as I am super bummed that I'm not getting the performance that every seems to rave about. 😩😩😩

Really hard to tell if the reg is not working because shift on POI, you need a Chronny to be sure the reg is malfunctioning. Joe had a video about a little chronny you can buy in Aliexpress for around 24$, I highly recommend a chronny.

The POI shift can be many things. The barrel was clean? Ho much clean? Mine came super super pack with a black coat, it took me 51 patches to be in a decent state.

The trigger in this rifle is hard, this can cause shift in POI, also a new rifle needs to break in, shoot at least 200 pellets and compare again.

What pellet are you using?

Are you using the magazines or the single shot tray?

Don’t be disappointed, you can get where you want with this rifle, we are willing to help ;)

UPDATE: just realize you are using Crosman pellets, I use them too and I’ll tell you, with those, don’t have high expectations. Try H&N Baracuda 21gr and wait for the JSB. Again it can be many things.... but clean that barrel really good first!

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 16, 2019, 08:04:24 AM
Where can you download a manual?

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.440 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.440)

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Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 16, 2019, 08:06:07 AM
+1 on the recommendations to lighten the trigger and use H&N pellets.  Mine seems to like both Baracudas and FTT.  I really need to give my barrel a more thorough cleaning.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 16, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
 I know that every gun is different, but can anyone correlate regulator pressure with brass disk position ?   Stephen?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Urbanhunter001 on February 16, 2019, 01:41:59 PM
Thx Orion, appreciate the reply! Yes, I cleaned it thoroughly when I first got it and again while shooting yesterday. I also adjusted the trigger and it is to my liking. Andbue9, I did shoot the Barracudas but can't remember the performance (since they were the first ones I shot upon receiving the gun).

I'll definitely order that Chrony you suggested along with more Barracudas and follow up if my results have changed. Thx again!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 16, 2019, 02:15:07 PM
Thx Orion, appreciate the reply! Yes, I cleaned it thoroughly when I first got it and again while shooting yesterday. I also adjusted the trigger and it is to my liking. Andbue9, I did shoot the Barracudas but can't remember the performance (since they were the first ones I shot upon receiving the gun).

I'll definitely order that Chrony you suggested along with more Barracudas and follow up if my results have changed. Thx again!

Hey, no problem! I remember seeing a thread on the Bargain gate for that chronie I mentioned before
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 16, 2019, 03:23:26 PM
I know that every gun is different, but can anyone correlate regulator pressure with brass disk position ?   Stephen?

It's a bit tricky. It depends on how you assemble the regulator, small block and receiver block. The best way to be able to get repeatable pressure is to first assemble the regulator by screwing it into the small block tightly (do not over tighten). This assures the the distance from the reg seat to the white delrin seat are the same every time. Then make a mark on the brass wheel. Then screw the reg and small block into the receiver block.

That being said,  because I have changed how I re assembled my regulator and block I can not tell what the relationship is between brass wheel and reg pressure is stock for the factory .but I can tell you that my best guess is the my gun comes set at 2000 psi. I turned it half a turn on wheel gave me 2600psi. Then I took the gun apart and reassemble my new way and things changed.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 16, 2019, 04:57:49 PM
Well, so much for that.  I blew up the power adjuster.  It was a loud BANG !  Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ?  I might have to make one from scratch.  cant find the other side with the screw in it.  I'm sure it flew across the yard !
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 16, 2019, 05:14:53 PM
Well, so much for that.  I blew up the power adjuster.  It was a loud BANG !  Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ?  I might have to make one from scratch.  cant find the other side with the screw in it.  I'm sure it flew across the yard !

What was your porting size? 3/16? Careful with the ports guys.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 16, 2019, 05:58:49 PM
Well, so much for that.  I blew up the power adjuster.  It was a loud BANG !  Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ?  I might have to make one from scratch.  cant find the other side with the screw in it.  I'm sure it flew across the yard !

Contact ATI.  That is a part they could easily get off of one of the returns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 16, 2019, 06:42:59 PM

Ray, the only problem is that my hammer spring adjuster turns over time. Im not sure of the best way to keep it from moving. Any ideas please?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81usJ-3oWyL._SY445_.jpg)
https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE (https://www.vibra-tite.com/threadlockers/removable-reusable-threadlockers/vibra-tite-vc-3-threadmate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA45njBRBwEiwASnZT5wT7vvWI_6vYI4M99fXC3xaNfIpv2quNb7aK7Nn8NBjodGjpsCRsUBoC9qoQAvD_BwE)

This is exactly what I used on mine.  I use it on my trigger screws too.
Ray check your pm
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 16, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
Well, so much for that.  I blew up the power adjuster.  It was a loud BANG !  Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ?  I might have to make one from scratch.  cant find the other side with the screw in it.  I'm sure it flew across the yard !

Hey Mike I was afraid that would happen. That's why I didn't want to drill the small hole in the transfer port adjuster. There is just enough meat once you open it to 3/16"

We will see how long mine lasts...as soon as I get some time, I'm going to try to make a backup just in case.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 16, 2019, 07:56:19 PM
Well, so much for that.  I blew up the power adjuster.  It was a loud BANG !  Does anyone know where i can get spare parts ?  I might have to make one from scratch.  cant find the other side with the screw in it.  I'm sure it flew across the yard !

Hey Mike I was afraid that would happen. That's why I didn't want to drill the small hole in the transfer port adjuster. There is just enough meat once you open it to 3/16"

We will see how long mine lasts...as soon as I get some time, I'm going to try to make a backup just in case.

Yep - I've already started fabrication on a replacement.  but dangit, now i misplaced the knob.  this is driving me nuts.  hopefully I'll be able to make a replacement, but it's gonna be tricky.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 16, 2019, 11:25:48 PM
Why do you need the knob Mike? Going to make an exact replacement with the recess groves? My advice? Make two replacements, each with its own transfer port holes. Fix it to the alignment pin on the frame. Swapping is fast and easy

If you need dimensions lmk.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on February 17, 2019, 12:08:26 AM
HMMMM,
I don't know how the power adjusters on other rifles work but as this one just offers a restriction to flow but still empties the plenum therefore no change in shot count between hi and low,  and POI changes between Hi and Lo not really sure about the need for the power adjuster knob on this gun. 

Or do I have it wrong?  Not bashing the gun as I love mine!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 17, 2019, 04:20:52 AM
HMMMM,
I don't know how the power adjusters on other rifles work but as this one just offers a restriction to flow but still empties the plenum therefore no change in shot count between hi and low,  and POI changes between Hi and Lo not really sure about the need for the power adjuster knob on this gun. 

Or do I have it wrong?  Not bashing the gun as I love mine!

It might be useful if you plan to shoot birds indoors, it’s nice to be able to turn the power down. Some of the AA have the same power adjustment concept. Not saving air but taming the beast....
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on February 17, 2019, 10:02:25 AM
I get that,  I guess I thought I would not have to re zero but now as I type this I know better than that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 17, 2019, 02:26:03 PM
Shooting the Nova Liberty 50, 75 and 100 yards

https://youtu.be/zeQxCwopPFI
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 17, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Thanks Stephen, I've been waiting to see how differently your modded Liberty would perform.   From my perspective, it looks like you're getting better performance from the heavier pellets and about the same from the lighter pellets?  Would you say that you're seeing fewer fliers now?  What do you think?

Just for comparison, this is my best 50 yard group from a few days ago (also pretty windy).
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 17, 2019, 06:44:16 PM
Thanks Stephen, I've been waiting to see how differently your modded Liberty would perform.   From my perspective, it looks like you're getting better performance from the heavier pellets and about the same from the lighter pellets?  Would you say that you're seeing fewer fliers now?  What do you think?

Just for comparison, this is my best 50 yard group from a few days ago (also pretty windy).

I think it is preforming a little better but the true test will come when I can shoot without wind or indoors. My thinking is 1/2" @ 50 yards and 1 1/2 at 100 yards. I'm trying to find a place to shoot 100 yards indoors but no luck yet.

I cant wait to see your groups on a calm day as well.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 17, 2019, 07:08:55 PM
Thanks Stephen, I've been waiting to see how differently your modded Liberty would perform.   From my perspective, it looks like you're getting better performance from the heavier pellets and about the same from the lighter pellets?  Would you say that you're seeing fewer fliers now?  What do you think?

Just for comparison, this is my best 50 yard group from a few days ago (also pretty windy).

I think it is preforming a little better but the true test will come when I can shoot without wind or indoors. My thinking is 1/2" @ 50 yards and 1 1/2 at 100 yards. I'm trying to find a place to shoot 100 yards indoors but no luck yet.

I cant wait to see your groups on a calm day as well.

If Fuzzys finding of the barrel being unchoked is true. You can shoot slugs and that would buck better against wind.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 17, 2019, 10:46:40 PM
Hi everybody,

I just uploaded a video on how to improve the magazines. I hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/gx8DUr6_d-A
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Post by: cosmic on February 19, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
Thanks brother !
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Post by: Orion on February 19, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Your welcome! Hope this can help anyone
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 19, 2019, 01:51:18 PM
Many thanks  Iguana Hunter  ;D
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Post by: stretch on February 19, 2019, 01:53:07 PM
Just missed this...
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Post by: Orion on February 19, 2019, 02:03:09 PM
Just missed this...
is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
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Post by: stretch on February 19, 2019, 02:24:24 PM
Just missed this...
is this still available? I know people that might use this code!

I found the link on Hard Air Magazine's website so I would assume it's still valid.  I tried it on the Freedom and it didn't work so maybe only on the Liberty?
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Post by: Orion on February 19, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
thanks for sharing!
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Post by: Wheelman on February 19, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
Just missed this...
is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
I just tried it on a Liberty, it did not work.

Wheelman
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Post by: Abefroman on February 19, 2019, 02:40:17 PM
OK... Here's the Plan...    I've sorta tried this with what I had in the shop this past weekend, but just went to home depot and picked up supplies.   Take a look at the pic...the "shank" of the u-bolt fits the hole where the power adjuster went.  However, it's just a tad loose.  So, I'm gonna cut the threads to the left of the nut.  Then I'm gonna cut the 'shank" just inside the recessed lip inside the right side of the receiver.  If you look inside, it's slightly recessed where the original rubber 'type' washer went that the little screw went into.  Then I'm gonna tap the shank on the right side using a 6-32 drill and tap from home depot $5.   I found that the handle to a standard X-acto knife fits pretty well into the recess on the right side !  So, I'm gonna cut a section off of the handle end of the xacto knife, drill a hole in it, and use it as a spacer.. then screw a 6-32 screw through it and into the u-bolt shank that I tapped.   Of course, I'll have to drill a 3/16" hole in the shank.... which I've done on the one i have at home.. and it worked pretty well.   Then, I'll have to slot the nut to fit where the 'NUB' is on the left side of the receiver. 

It's crude and it aint pretty, but I think it'll work. 
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Post by: stretch on February 19, 2019, 02:44:56 PM
Just missed this...
is this still available? I know people that might use this code!
I just tried it on a Liberty, it did not work.

Wheelman

Sorry.  I'll try to contact Hard Air Mag and ask them to pull the ad.
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Post by: Lastdog on February 19, 2019, 06:21:05 PM
Lower right hand corner.”expires 12/31/2019”. Should be good the rest of the year.
This is 2019, I think. 
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Post by: Wheelman on February 19, 2019, 06:36:30 PM
Lower right hand corner.”expires 12/31/2019”. Should be good the rest of the year.
This is 2019, I think.
Maybe the ATI store site hasn't activated it yet.
I loaded a .177 Caliber wood stock Liberty into my cart and navigated all the way to final payment screen where the code can be entered, when I applied the code it was reported as invalid.

BTW: It is 2019, I think.  I'm still working on getting out of 1991 so sometimes I get lost. :)

Wheelman
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 19, 2019, 06:53:19 PM
Lower right hand corner.”expires 12/31/2019”. Should be good the rest of the year.
This is 2019, I think.
Maybe the ATI store site hasn't activated it yet.
I loaded a .177 Caliber wood stock Liberty into my cart and navigated all the way to final payment screen where the code can be entered, when I applied the code it was reported as invalid.

BTW: It is 2019, I think.  I'm still working on getting out of 1991 so sometimes I get lost. :)

Wheelman
🤣😂😳
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Post by: Orion on February 19, 2019, 08:14:41 PM
Maybe the next Black Friday Ad was leaked ahead of time?  ;D
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 19, 2019, 10:28:58 PM
Quote
BTW: It is 2019, I think.  I'm still working on getting out of 1991 so sometimes I get lost.

It was one of the questions I was asking to see if I had any early signs of mental regress.
I guessed right!
Glad they didn't ask me what year was my wife birthday  :o
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Post by: cosmic on February 20, 2019, 01:18:46 PM
3 ways to tell your old..
#1 you forget things ...
        I can't remember the other 2 !!
 I escaped the 70's with minimal brain damage... That's what the voices said...
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Post by: Abefroman on February 20, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Well, This is what I came up with.  It works, but it leaks, so i went to home depot and got some o-rings and rubber bevel washers and I'm gonna try to fix it where it doesnt leak.  I also bought some 5/16" bolts with long smooth shank section, but the smooth part is larger than the smooth part of the big U-bolt that I built this contraption from.  I plan to put the bolts in a drill chuck and use a file to reduce it down to where it fits really snug in the receiver and see if that works better.   but, I didn't think this came out too bad for an hour's work.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 21, 2019, 02:32:42 AM
thats not bad for 1 hour of work. it took me a  day from start to finish making one out of 416 steel.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 21, 2019, 08:14:35 AM
thats not bad for 1 hour of work. it took me a  day from start to finish making one out of 416 steel.


That's not going to break anyday soon.  :)  Nice work.
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on February 21, 2019, 03:52:55 PM
* * CAUTION  * * CAUTION * *  Hey guys, just another heads up.  There are at least 5 power adjustment valves that I know of that failed after modification. My personal experience was pretty scary. I had modified the valve to 3/16 for my 22 cal. along with the barrel port and a mild increase in regulator pressure.

I was testing the results in my basement by shooting over the chrony into a plastic juice bottle filled with rubber mulch (works great). Shooting H&N Barcuda 21's I wanted to do a full string. After averaging around 880 for the first mag, I filled another mag and began to shoot. The first shot was an ear busting BANG and the power adjustor valve split. The knob went flying 20 ft. across my basement through some 6 mil visqueen sheeting, and bounced off the concrete wall by 10ft. Needless to say, I reached for the defibrillator pack I keep with my PCP equipment (not really), but my heart did skip a beat or two.

I had somehow inadvertently bumped the power adjustment valve to "Low". This probably happened when I rearranged some items to set the gun down, and fill a new magazine. I thank God that my hand was not over the knob or my wife was not standing beside me at the time.

My suggestion to all those guys who have modified their power adjustment valves is this: remove the valve again and at the very least block a portion of the rotation relief on the back side of the knob itself. This would prevent it from moving off of "Hi". This could be easily accomplished with some type of "Steel Putty", "J. B. Weld" etc.

I do not know if my valve would have failed had it remained in the "Hi" position, but I most certainly would do anything possible to prevent that event from happening again. I hate to "rat" on my own mistakes, but a little humility to save another is well worth the "crow". Good luck with your mods & be careful!

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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 21, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
It is probably not a good idea to put it on "low" even if you didn't modify it, but have raised the set-point pressure.  On low, it just a little plastic piece that is blocking most of the flow.  Even unmodified, it is probably the weak link. 
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 21, 2019, 04:55:53 PM
* * CAUTION  * * CAUTION * *  Hey guys, just another heads up.  There are at least 5 power adjustment valves that I know of that failed after modification. My personal experience was pretty scary. I had modified the valve to 3/16 for my 22 cal. along with the barrel port and a mild increase in regulator pressure.

I was testing the results in my basement by shooting over the chrony into a plastic juice bottle filled with rubber mulch (works great). Shooting H&N Barcuda 21's I wanted to do a full string. After averaging around 880 for the first mag, I filled another mag and began to shoot. The first shot was an ear busting BANG and the power adjustor valve split. The knob went flying 20 ft. across my basement through some 6 mil visqueen sheeting, and bounced off the concrete wall by 10ft. Needless to say, I reached for the defibrillator pack I keep with my PCP equipment (not really), but my heart did skip a beat or two.

I had somehow inadvertently bumped the power adjustment valve to "Low". This probably happened when I rearranged some items to set the gun down, and fill a new magazine. I thank God that my hand was not over the knob or my wife was not standing beside me at the time.

My suggestion to all those guys who have modified their power adjustment valves is this: remove the valve again and at the very least block a portion of the rotation relief on the back side of the knob itself. This would prevent it from moving off of "Hi". This could be easily accomplished with some type of "Steel Putty", "J. B. Weld" etc.

I do not know if my valve would have failed had it remained in the "Hi" position, but I most certainly would do anything possible to prevent that event from happening again. I hate to "rat" on my own mistakes, but a little humility to save another is well worth the "crow". Good luck with your mods & be careful!

Thanks for the heads up! This can be a big problem.

I'm talking with Troy Hammer on either making an Annhilator TP Wheel or maybe even just shrink fitting a larger diameter TP bolt and then drilling 3/16" TP hole which would be safe. I mailed my Block to him two days ago. Once Dr. Troy Hammer has looked at the block and TP Wheel he will let me know what he can do.
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Post by: Abefroman on February 21, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
Got mine working again.  I had to cut a groove in the shaft of the power adjuster I made and use an O ring.  it sealed it very well.  on the right side I cut a doughnut out of a bicycle innertube to use as a gasket and that worked as well.  I used blue thread lock on the screw on the right side.  It works pretty well, but I would like to make something a little better, or buy a replacement made from steel.  Also, I emailed Jennifer at ATI and she said she'd see what she could do about getting me a replacement power adjuster.

On a different note... I still cant figure out how to get the barrel out of the shroud.  It only moves about 2mm where the plastic piece goes into the shroud where the little screw is.  Anyone ???  Stephen ?
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 21, 2019, 05:18:44 PM
On a different note... I still cant figure out how to get the barrel out of the shroud.  It only moves about 2mm where the plastic piece goes into the shroud where the little screw is.  Anyone ???  Stephen ?

I took the shroud off before removing the barrel, but think that just makes it more "fun" to get the barrel out of the breech.

Once that little screw is out of the shroud mount near the breech, it is just riding on O-rings.  It takes a twisting pulling motion to get it off.  A tight fitting drill bit shank (#22) in the barrel port, may help with leverage.  Just be careful not to damage the inside of the barrel.

The set-screws in those plastic mounts are easy to tear up the plastic threads.  I see drilling new holes and taping in my future.
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Post by: Wheelman on February 21, 2019, 05:29:34 PM
It is probably not a good idea to put it on "low" even if you didn't modify it, but have raised the set-point pressure.  On low, it just a little plastic piece that is blocking most of the flow.  Even unmodified, it is probably the weak link.
Can someone post a picture and/or engineering type mechanical drawing of this assembly so we can get a better understanding of how it's assembled and works?
Out of curiosity I tried to remove mine last night but can't get the little retaining screw out.
I don't have a torx bit that's small enough and the allen wrenches I have aren't the right size.

I haven't modified my Liberty and really don't plan to at this point but if that part is marginal then I won't set it on low power.

I'm also curios whether running on low power changes shot count. I've seen posts that lead me to believe it doesn't which changes my view of how useful it is for me.

Wheelman
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 21, 2019, 05:39:16 PM
Got mine working again.  I had to cut a groove in the shaft of the power adjuster I made and use an O ring.  it sealed it very well.  on the right side I cut a doughnut out of a bicycle innertube to use as a gasket and that worked as well.  I used blue thread lock on the screw on the right side.  It works pretty well, but I would like to make something a little better, or buy a replacement made from steel.  Also, I emailed Jennifer at ATI and she said she'd see what she could do about getting me a replacement power adjuster.

On a different note... I still cant figure out how to get the barrel out of the shroud.  It only moves about 2mm where the plastic piece goes into the shroud where the little screw is.  Anyone ???  Stephen ?

Once you remove the shroud allen screw, which is the only thing holding the shroud in place, hold the barrel tight and then give a twist to the shroud while pulling back. It will come off.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 21, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
Hawkeye, i made the same porting mistake to .217. Wheel got pretty thin. i am just glad nothing was beside when i shot it even on full power. it only too a few shots before it blew. throwing our mistakes out here can actually be beneficial to someone else. i wouldnt worry about ratting.its my live a learn attitude
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Post by: Abefroman on February 21, 2019, 08:11:35 PM
Thanks Stephen, but that was not as easy with my gun.  I actually had to use a wooden dowel and a hammer to get the barrel out.  It took considerable force.  I crowned the barrel, but that did not help accuracy at all. 

I think I've just about had enough of this "dang" gun.  It wont shoot straight AT ALL.  at 50 yards my groups are 10" to A FOOT apart !!!!   I've done everything I can think of to make it shoot better, but it just not worthy.  I've tried 6 different types of pellets, no shims, one shim, two shims, stock reg adjuster, 1/4 turn, half turn, full turn, bag rest, bipod, three different scopes with different mounts.  NOTHING WORKS. 

maybe it's a bent barrel ?  I'm thinking that since it took so much force to get the barrel out of the shroud, maybe that's the problem.  I might take the shroud completely off and see if accuracy improves at all. 

Or, maybe I could try a different barrel, but I'm not sure what would fit.  I've seen people use marauder barrels on other guns, but dont know if there's a barrel that I could adapt to this gun.

Maybe it's just a lemon.  but I'm stuck with it.  $300 down the drain.

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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 21, 2019, 08:49:41 PM
With groups that bad, I'd give ATI the opportunity to replace it. 
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 21, 2019, 09:14:11 PM
ATI has  1 year warranty with free shipping. let them handle that. if it doesnt work out. sell it to me, i am sure its the barrel. crosman barrels are cheap on ebay.
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Post by: Back_Roads on February 21, 2019, 09:34:21 PM
 Since parts seem to be rare, It has some value as a parts gun too.
I may be one of the few here that has not turned a screw on them, but tight LOL :-X
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 21, 2019, 10:03:57 PM
I just went and looked if ATI listed any of the returns for sale, but not yet.  I did notice the wood Liberty's are now $350. 
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 21, 2019, 10:13:37 PM
Thanks Stephen, but that was not as easy with my gun.  I actually had to use a wooden dowel and a hammer to get the barrel out.  It took considerable force.  I crowned the barrel, but that did not help accuracy at all. 

I think I've just about had enough of this "dang" gun.  It wont shoot straight AT ALL.  at 50 yards my groups are 10" to A FOOT apart !!!!   I've done everything I can think of to make it shoot better, but it just not worthy.  I've tried 6 different types of pellets, no shims, one shim, two shims, stock reg adjuster, 1/4 turn, half turn, full turn, bag rest, bipod, three different scopes with different mounts.  NOTHING WORKS. 

maybe it's a bent barrel ?  I'm thinking that since it took so much force to get the barrel out of the shroud, maybe that's the problem.  I might take the shroud completely off and see if accuracy improves at all. 

Or, maybe I could try a different barrel, but I'm not sure what would fit.  I've seen people use marauder barrels on other guns, but dont know if there's a barrel that I could adapt to this gun.

Maybe it's just a lemon.  but I'm stuck with it.  $300 down the drain.

Try to roll the barrel on a known flat surface and see if you have wobble.  If not return it to ATI.
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Post by: Abefroman on February 22, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty. 
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Post by: stretch on February 22, 2019, 10:06:53 AM
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.

Bummers...  It might be worth a try calling ATI anyways to see what they say.  Tell them the whole story.  Worst comes to worse, there might be a few people here interested in buying parts.  I know that's the first thing I thought when I saw the 20% off coupon, buy a second one for parts "just in case".
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 22, 2019, 11:22:07 AM
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.

Bummers...  It might be worth a try calling ATI anyways to see what they say.  Tell them the whole story.  Worst comes to worse, there might be a few people here interested in buying parts.  I know that's the first thing I thought when I saw the 20% off coupon, buy a second one for parts "just in case".


I agree, talk to ATI, see if they would at least send you a barrel from one of their returns.   Otherwise, sell it with stated problems.  Getting 1/2 to maybe 2/3 your money back is better than sitting in a closet forever. 

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Post by: darkcharisma on February 22, 2019, 12:19:26 PM
I'd love to return it, but I've modified it and voided the warranty.

brother i call first dips if your letting go at 2/3rd. 1/2 would be too low. this may not be appropriate, but i am just letting you know you got options. If your keeping the gun. just buy a barrel off ebay and swap it in and see if that helps.
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Post by: Abefroman on February 22, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
I plan to buy a barrel off of ebay, but I dont know which to buy.  I guess I'll have to measure the ATI Nova barrel diameter and see if the crosman barrel matches it.  Are there any other barrels i should look at ???

cheers
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 22, 2019, 12:46:37 PM
Well now your talking, why don't you compare barrel prices before making a decision? I suggest you look at getting an FX smooth twist barrel or slug liners. or anything below $120, since crosman barrels on ebay will cost you around $31 to start with. you might as well look into upgrading instead of replacing.

of course, you may need a lathe to turn down upgraded barrels. some crosman barrels may not even have the grooves lined up like the ATI...may need to cut a groove for the orings. I have no idea what other barrels OD are, I am sure there are dimensions on forums if you just search around

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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 22, 2019, 01:26:43 PM
The barrel OD will work with a 22 cal crosman barrel.  I didn't check the barrel port offset.  You would need to add the o-ring grooves, and add flats for the set-screws.  The leade would probably need mod as well.   

Using a Mrod barrel, if port offset is same, would require a bolt change, because the o-ring is in the barrel.

A Maximus 22 barrel is long enough and would need cut back to get the oem length. 
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Post by: Lastdog on February 22, 2019, 05:18:50 PM
Sure sounds complicated to me. I would call customer service tell them the facts. See what they would work out for you. Maybe a returned gun at 1/2 off. Maybe sell you a used barrel cheap. They have always been friendly to me when i have talked with them. You got nothing to loose.
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Post by: cosmic on February 22, 2019, 06:50:35 PM
Anyone know how I can up the power on my .177 ? I want to shoot slugs but 13.65 gn monsters are only at 870-890.. NSA 15.5 in the 700's..
   I can play with the regulator and sometimes get into 930's.. When I put it away, the next day it falls back to the 800's.. Wondering if the valve is part of the problem along with the regulator.. Can the regulator be shimmed ?   Anyone know where I can have a valve and poppet modded or new one made ? The ports are already 9/64th..
             Thanks,
                        Ray
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Post by: Orion on February 22, 2019, 07:46:17 PM
Well now your talking, why don't you compare barrel prices before making a decision? I suggest you look at getting an FX smooth twist barrel or slug liners. or anything below $120, since crosman barrels on ebay will cost you around $31 to start with. you might as well look into upgrading instead of replacing.

of course, you may need a lathe to turn down upgraded barrels. some crosman barrels may not even have the grooves lined up like the ATI...may need to cut a groove for the orings. I have no idea what other barrels OD are, I am sure there are dimensions on forums if you just search around

If someone could do the FX barrel that will be epic. We can turn the 300$ gun into an expensive FX 1000$ gun. LOL

I'm following this....
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Post by: Abefroman on February 22, 2019, 07:50:52 PM
Ok, well, I measured the barrel on my crosman 2240 at a tad over 11 mm.  Like 11.06mm.  I was going to take the Nova apart and measure the barrel, but I came across this post on airgunwarriors which shows that the barrel is pretty much the same size.. 11mm.  So, there's hope !

Here's the post....
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Sorry, I havc not been shooting it much. I bought it out of curiosity and put it away after playing with it. The shrouded barrel is pretty quiet so I don't know why you would want a LDC. It is an 11mm od barrel. same as a Crosman Discovery. I can't think of any issues using one would cause. Remove a single screw and the shroud slides off. You would have a floating barrel as the shroud is part of the front barrel ring. Actually you could probably use a TKO LDC and have it inside the shroud with the end cap off the shroud.

101e
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 22, 2019, 08:32:46 PM
Well now your talking, why don't you compare barrel prices before making a decision? I suggest you look at getting an FX smooth twist barrel or slug liners. or anything below $120, since crosman barrels on ebay will cost you around $31 to start with. you might as well look into upgrading instead of replacing.

of course, you may need a lathe to turn down upgraded barrels. some crosman barrels may not even have the grooves lined up like the ATI...may need to cut a groove for the orings. I have no idea what other barrels OD are, I am sure there are dimensions on forums if you just search around

If someone could do the FX barrel that will be epic. We can turn the 300$ gun into an expensive FX 1000$ gun. LOL

I'm following this....

 funny you mention it. i have a ST barrel in .25...i am not willing to turn the barrel down just yet...at least not until the gun hits 60fpe.

 
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 22, 2019, 08:36:55 PM
Can the regulator be shimmed ?   Anyone know where I can have a valve and poppet modded or new one made ? The ports are already 9/64th..
             Thanks,
                        Ray

i think adjust the regulator by turning the brass wheel will be better than shimming. I am sure Troy Hammer can mod or have a new valve made. i made my own valve a while back but i am not willing to go through that hard work. why dont you take a look at the valve and see if you can port it yourself?

 if you are shooting slugs only. just open her up not to exeed 80% of the slugs length? say if the slug is .300 long. you port to .240 or less (oblong)* that should be able to up your output some

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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 22, 2019, 08:56:58 PM
The valve and reg seem to be the same between the two calibers.  The restriction is the 177 power adjuster and barrel port.  To go larger than the 0.140" on the barrel port, needs to be oblong for the pellet/slug doesn't start to fall into it, and impact loading. 
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Post by: Abefroman on February 23, 2019, 11:18:45 AM
What about a lothar walther barrel?  I saw a site selling a 24" LW choked .22 barrel for $112.   What's the advantage of a choke, or no choke?  I think my .22 gauntlet is choked. 
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 23, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
What about a lothar walther barrel?  I saw a site selling a 24" LW choked .22 barrel for $112.   What's the advantage of a choke, or no choke?  I think my .22 gauntlet is choked.


I'm guessing that is the LW site in GA.  That is just a blank, meaning all the machining has to be done with it.   For an OD that fits your breech, the blank comes from Germany, which adds more time.  Also, if you are sending it to a machinist, they will only ship it direct to you.  They claim that is for ITAR reasons, but its an air gun barrel.  So, its better to have the machinist order it. 

A choke is a slight restriction in the barrel just before the pellet leaves the muzzle.  In general, provides better accuracy with pellets.  If you are planning on slugs, probably don't want a choke. 

LW choked barrels for pellet guns, are well proven for their accuracy. 

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Post by: cosmic on February 23, 2019, 02:38:26 PM
Barrel and transfer port, power adjuster is 9/64 or .140 from the factory.. Also I ran the brass disc out all the way to the air tube and back one complete revolution at time.. 890-870 for the JSB 13.65.. Never consistent.  Another thing when I put the gun up the next day the fps is different (lower)..  I usually dry fire once to clear the reg out before running it through the chronograph.. So the only thing I can think of is the valve or regulator is what is holding it back.. I am a old guy with essential tremors and basic hand tools living on disability..
   Troy Hammer has been having problems, so anyone know of someone that can help me out with step by step or inexpensively..
                       Thanks all,
                                      Ray
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 23, 2019, 05:29:45 PM
Hey Mike, I bought a second Nova liberty .22. I opened only the Barrel port to 3/16" turned up the regulator 1/4 turn CCW added only 1 shim to the hammer spring. No other modification.
Shooting H&N 21 grain Barracuda's at 895 indoors outside it was more like 860 fps. Just got back from the range to test my second gun. 3/4" to 1" 50 yards and an occasional flier. It started to get cold and windy at 3:00pm. Winds went from 7 mph to 10 mph in 1 hour. I shot two 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The first is nothing to write home about 2.25" But the second was WOW! I packed up and drove an hour home to post this.

I think you definitely got a Lemon. I'm hoping swapping your barrel out will do the trick.
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 23, 2019, 08:13:03 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?
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Post by: stretch on February 23, 2019, 08:42:40 PM
Hey Mike, I bought a second Nova liberty .22. I opened only the Barrel port to 3/16" turned up the regulator 1/4 turn CCW added only 1 shim to the hammer spring. No other modification.
Shooting H&N 21 grain Barracuda's at 895 indoors outside it was more like 860 fps. Just got back from the range to test my second gun. 3/4" to 1" 50 yards and an occasional flier. It started to get cold and windy at 3:00pm. Winds went from 7 mph to 10 mph in 1 hour. I shot two 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The first is nothing to write home about 2.25" But the second was WOW! I packed up and drove an hour home to post this.

I think you definitely got a Lemon. I'm hoping swapping your barrel out will do the trick.

Awesome.  What pressure did you fill to and where did you stop?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 23, 2019, 08:52:47 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?

I took much more care to make observations on the second gun. Yes, initial fill no mods I shot three different pellets. Waited an hour and the velocity dropped a lot. Then refilled to 3600 psi shot again about 4 hours later and velocity seemed stable. Then refilled a third time to 3600 psi. Waited till next day. Velocities went up but not as high as initial fill. Then tested for three more days and the reg stabilized. But I noticed a bit of a drop in velocities at the range today but is was 38 degrees. I just tested two minutes ago after the gun warmed up and the H&N 21 grains shooting back to 890fps which is where I had set them to shoot.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 23, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
Hey Mike, I bought a second Nova liberty .22. I opened only the Barrel port to 3/16" turned up the regulator 1/4 turn CCW added only 1 shim to the hammer spring. No other modification.
Shooting H&N 21 grain Barracuda's at 895 indoors outside it was more like 860 fps. Just got back from the range to test my second gun. 3/4" to 1" 50 yards and an occasional flier. It started to get cold and windy at 3:00pm. Winds went from 7 mph to 10 mph in 1 hour. I shot two 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The first is nothing to write home about 2.25" But the second was WOW! I packed up and drove an hour home to post this.

I think you definitely got a Lemon. I'm hoping swapping your barrel out will do the trick.

Indoors at room temperature I fill to 3700psi and stop at  2100 psi. I do notice that after filling the first 3 or 4 shots are wacky then they stabilize..
Awesome.  What pressure did you fill to and where did you stop?

At the range i fill to 3600 psi but had to refill more often cause thing seem to drop off sooner
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 23, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?


FWIW: I did plug in Zac's data and you see the same downward trend.  I didn't bother with the last mag, since he was already off the reg.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 23, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?

I took much more care to make observations on the second gun. Yes, initial fill no mods I shot three different pellets. Waited an hour and the velocity dropped a lot. Then refilled to 3600 psi shot again about 4 hours later and velocity seemed stable. Then refilled a third time to 3600 psi. Waited till next day. Velocities went up but not as high as initial fill. Then tested for three more days and the reg stabilized. But I noticed a bit of a drop in velocities at the range today but is was 38 degrees. I just tested two minutes ago after the gun warmed up and the H&N 21 grains shooting back to 890fps which is where I had set them to shoot.
Can you take a look at both barrel crowns the second barrel seems to shot more accurately than the first gun? Lothar Walther barrel option?
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 23, 2019, 10:04:10 PM
https://www.lothar-walther.com/search?sSearch=airgun&p=2 (https://www.lothar-walther.com/search?sSearch=airgun&p=2)
Type in search bar airgun barrels does anyone know what 11mm transfers over to inches?
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Post by: tkerrigan on February 23, 2019, 10:24:49 PM
It would be 11 divided by 25.4 or .44307and more.  Be cautious, Sometimes the 11mm may just be close to the real size.  Regards, Tom
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 23, 2019, 10:35:45 PM
It would be 11 divided by 25.4 or .44307and more.  Be cautious, Sometimes the 11mm may just be close to the real size.  Regards, Tom
I believe the liberty is 11mm which Lother Walter on their website would be or close would work?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 23, 2019, 10:41:17 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?


FWIW: I did plug in Zac's data and you see the same downward trend.  I didn't bother with the last mag, since he was already off the reg.

I will do a few shot strings with my second, Troy Hammer has my first gun, filling to 3600 psi using CPHP pellets I will lower my hammer spring to match Zac's power at about 870 fps. I guess I'm not sleeping tonight
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 23, 2019, 10:45:43 PM
Steven, how is your regulator working, are you seeing the same decreasing string as noticed by fuzzygrub on your two rifles?

I took much more care to make observations on the second gun. Yes, initial fill no mods I shot three different pellets. Waited an hour and the velocity dropped a lot. Then refilled to 3600 psi shot again about 4 hours later and velocity seemed stable. Then refilled a third time to 3600 psi. Waited till next day. Velocities went up but not as high as initial fill. Then tested for three more days and the reg stabilized. But I noticed a bit of a drop in velocities at the range today but is was 38 degrees. I just tested two minutes ago after the gun warmed up and the H&N 21 grains shooting back to 890fps which is where I had set them to shoot.
Can you take a look at both barrel crowns the second barrel seems to shot more accurately than the first gun? Lothar Walther barrel option?

Ken, the second gun's barrel has the exact same crown as the first but the second gun feels better than my first gun. Cocking is super smooth and yes, it seems more accurate. But I will do a head to head test the next day the winds are below 6mph.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 11:42:18 AM
Here is how my 2nd Nova Liberty is performing. I think pretty nice.

https://youtu.be/0G3mL-8LZB4
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 01:03:45 PM
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has.  And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours.  Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though.  I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.

On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube.  Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others.   The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 01:39:16 PM
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has.  And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours.  Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though.  I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.

On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube.  Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others.   The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.

Sorry John not sure what you are referring to about the shroud. Is it about tension or sound?
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 01:50:23 PM
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has.  And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours.  Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though.  I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.

On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube.  Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others.   The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.

Sorry John not sure what you are referring to about the shroud. Is it about tension or sound?


The barrel is declining as you move from the breech end toward the muzzle.  ie not parallel to the air tube.  It is well below the center line of the barrel band.  Once you put the shroud on, it will bend the barrel up.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 01:51:42 PM
I entered your data into Keith's spreadsheet, and a comparison.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has.  And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours.  Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though.  I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.

On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube.  Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others.   The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.

Sorry John not sure what you are referring to about the shroud. Is it about tension or sound?

The barrel is declining as you move from the breech end toward the muzzle.  ie not parallel to the air tube.  It is well below the center line of the barrel band.  Once you put the shroud on, it will bend the barrel up.

Hey John, It's very close to dead center.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 02:38:13 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 02:41:07 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.

Maybe this can be of help to all to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 24, 2019, 02:55:12 PM
Stephen what is your new guns bellville arrangement? mine came )))))))))((()))(((((((((

with my new port at .217. i am pushing 14.3 at 1107fps max. with .03x2 shims to hammer spring. i think i need to max the tension out to push it harder or make a heavier hammer.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.

Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.

I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.

Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are.   While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it.  I wouldn't want anothers return, either.  I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech.  That's not possible, either. 



Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 24, 2019, 03:36:11 PM
... bellville arrangement? mine came )))))))))((()))(((((((((

FYI, that is an awful arrangement.  The six washers in the middle are responsible for everything, and together they amount to having just a single Belleville pair.  It would be much better to make as many triple nestings as possible, e.g.

((( ))) ((( ))) ((( ))) ((( )))
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 05:30:06 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.

Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.

I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.

Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are.   While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it.  I wouldn't want anothers return, either.  I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech.  That's not possible, either.

Great companies are built on integrity. I understand that these are budget guns but even budget guns need to have a certain level of acceptable performance. Returning substandard performing guns and making the gun manufacturer aware of manufacturing issues  givies them a chance to make good on the product. If they were to resell returned known subpar guns I would stop doing business with them.

I believe we owe it to the airgun community that spends their hard earned money on these products to make the manufacturer aware of possible issues. If these problem guns are few and far between it will not be costly to the manufacturer. However if this becomes a wide spread problem they need to know or people will just stop buying their guns and they will go out of business not knowing what happened.

I'm not trying to be controversial but I really like these  guns and do not what them to go away. I feel like we are getting super value and performance. This gun has the chance to tame the outrageous prices of airguns.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 24, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.

Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.

I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.

Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are.   While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it.  I wouldn't want anothers return, either.  I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech.  That's not possible, either.

Great companies are built on integrity. I understand that these are budget guns but even budget guns need to have a certain level of acceptable performance. Returning substandard performing guns and making the gun manufacturer aware of manufacturing issues  givies them a chance to make good on the product. If they were to resell returned known subpar guns I would stop doing business with them.

I believe we owe it to the airgun community that spends their hard earned money on these products to make the manufacturer aware of possible issues. If these problem guns are few and far between it will not be costly to the manufacturer. However if this becomes a wide spread problem they need to know or people will just stop buying their guns and they will go out of business not knowing what happened.

I'm not trying to be controversial but I really like these  guns and do not what them to go away. I feel like we are getting super value and performance. This gun has the chance to tame the outrageous prices of airguns.
Agree +1😎
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Yea, looks much better than mine.  I can't tell yet if it is a bad bore in the breech or air tube to block to breech alignment.  Regardless, doesn't look like there is a way to fix it.

Maybe this can be help to all of us to mention that before you do any mods check for barrel droop. (Viagra will not help) and regulator stability. If it's way out of wack than exchange the gun.

I ran a straight edge across the top of the breech, and that looks to be parellel to the air tube, so it would seem to be the breech bore.

Checking and exchanging, just puts their quality at the same place many other entry level pcp's are.   While I've only done one irreversable mod, don't expect ATI to exchange it.  I wouldn't want anothers return, either.  I'd prefer to buy a replacement breech.  That's not possible, either.

Great companies are built on integrity. I understand that these are budget guns but even budget guns need to have a certain level of acceptable performance. Returning substandard performing guns and making the gun manufacturer aware of manufacturing issues  givies them a chance to make good on the product. If they were to resell returned known subpar guns I would stop doing business with them.

I believe we owe it to the airgun community that spends their hard earned money on these products to make the manufacturer aware of possible issues. If these problem guns are few and far between it will not be costly to the manufacturer. However if this becomes a wide spread problem they need to know or people will just stop buying their guns and they will go out of business not knowing what happened.

I'm not trying to be controversial but I really like these  guns and do not what them to go away. I feel like we are getting super value and performance. This gun has the chance to tame the outrageous prices of airguns.


I agree with everything you are saying and hope Nova and ATI step up with support.   Given ATI doesn't plan to carry spare parts, and told me to wait a couple of weeks, and can buy customer returns, for spares, not holding my breath there.  That says they are not evaluating and not shipping them back to China for mfg analysis.  They did provide very fast shipping, and did respond to emails quickly.   To me, they are trying to be a "thin" Importer. 

Nova Vista has not returned any of my emails about spare parts, but have not made the international phone call yet.   
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Post by: AVS Stephen on February 24, 2019, 06:12:36 PM
I hope they do the right thing and at least reach out to you and try to make good.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 24, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
I hope they do the right thing and at least reach out to you and try to make good.

I'd be happy if they helped Mike (Abefroman) with his barrel problem. 
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on February 24, 2019, 10:46:45 PM
My cousin plans to purchase this particular rifle as his first PCP this week. His only means of filling it initially is going to be with a hand pump. How many shots can he expect to get  from a 200 bar fill?

Also, I saw a banner in the other Nova Liberty thread which had a promotional code from Hard Air Magazine.  Was this an ad from Black Friday with an incorrect expiration date or is it a promotional deal that hasn't gone live yet? 
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Post by: SoCalZac on February 24, 2019, 10:51:54 PM
Your Es is certainly tighter than what I am seeing and Zac has.  And it just drifts down ever so slightly, compared to ours.  Both of ours are still at factory reg pressure, though.  I might try that, even though I was looking to lower it.

On a different subject, if you take the shroud off, like to know how yours is compared to air tube.  Noticed a big difference in mine, and noticed comments from others.   The barrel band is definitely putting tension into the barrel.
Thanks for putting my info in the chart. I was looking at it and it looks like the tightest es is from shot 6-71 but it still has a downward trend.

Edit: That keeps it at a 4% es. I think I’ll try another string from 3400psi to 2200 and see how it goes. Those first 5 shots have pretty big swings in FPS.

I would like to up the power should I adjust the HS, the regulator or both. I have a feeling my HS is backed out as I seem to have slightly lower power than what most people are reporting.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 25, 2019, 05:52:59 AM
My cousin plans to purchase this particular rifle as his first PCP this week. His only means of filling it initially is going to be with a hand pump. How many shots can he expect to get  from a 200 bar fill?

Also, I saw a banner in the other Nova Liberty thread which had a promotional code from Hard Air Magazine.  Was this an ad from Black Friday with an incorrect expiration date or is it a promotional deal that hasn't gone live yet?

I hand pump to 3,600 psi, shoot to around 2,600 psi and get around 50-60 shots.

The ATI coupon is a mystery.  The banner suddenly appeared last week on the Hard Air site but the code didn't work when I tried it.
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Post by: Pursang on February 25, 2019, 09:29:40 AM
I pumped mine to 3500psi shortly after I got it, because my Shoebox needed a rebuild. It didn't seem to get much harder between 3k and 3.5k than just pumping to 3000. I would prefer pumping it to 3500 because of the extra shots before needing to pump again. If he goes to a range, or in the field to shoot, he could pump to 3500-3600 at home, and then top off to 3000 at the range to reduce the length of his "pump sessions". He would probably get around 30 shots, depending on power level.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 25, 2019, 10:40:10 PM
Barrel and transfer port, power adjuster is 9/64 or .140 from the factory.. Also I ran the brass disc out all the way to the air tube and back one complete revolution at time.. 890-870 for the JSB 13.65.. Never consistent.  Another thing when I put the gun up the next day the fps is different (lower)..  I usually dry fire once to clear the reg out before running it through the chronograph.. So the only thing I can think of is the valve or regulator is what is holding it back.. I am a old guy with essential tremors and basic hand tools living on disability..
   Troy Hammer has been having problems, so anyone know of someone that can help me out with step by step or inexpensively..
                       Thanks all,
                                      Ray

Ray, if you are still looking. i am selling the valve that i made. throat at .250. exhaust at .217. delrin poppet OD at .340.  you will need to bore your exhaust out to 3/16 and leave the barrel port at .140 but oblong it to 3/16. pm me for more information. i am going back to the original valve design. i screwed up the breech so no more modding for me. im fine at 45fpe currently with almost stock hammer spring tention.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on February 25, 2019, 11:05:57 PM
My cousin plans to purchase this particular rifle as his first PCP this week. His only means of filling it initially is going to be with a hand pump. How many shots can he expect to get  from a 200 bar fill?

Also, I saw a banner in the other Nova Liberty thread which had a promotional code from Hard Air Magazine.  Was this an ad from Black Friday with an incorrect expiration date or is it a promotional deal that hasn't gone live yet?

I hand pump to 3,600 psi, shoot to around 2,600 psi and get around 50-60 shots.

The ATI coupon is a mystery.  The banner suddenly appeared last week on the Hard Air site but the code didn't work when I tried it.

A poster on another forum says he contacted American Tactical today and they were unaware of the coupon not being active.  Apparently, they are currently "looking into it."

I pumped mine to 3500psi shortly after I got it, because my Shoebox needed a rebuild. It didn't seem to get much harder between 3k and 3.5k than just pumping to 3000. I would prefer pumping it to 3500 because of the extra shots before needing to pump again. If he goes to a range, or in the field to shoot, he could pump to 3500-3600 at home, and then top off to 3000 at the range to reduce the length of his "pump sessions". He would probably get around 30 shots, depending on power level.

So alternating from high to low power does actually increase shot count?  I don't know why, but I was under the impression that this particular rifle got the same amount of shots on low and high power.  I guess I got it mixed up with another rifle.  Anywho, that's a plus...high power for squirrel hunting, low power for plinking.   Thanks.

Does anyone have a clue if a BKL standard rings will be high enough to clear the magazine with a Hawke Vantage 4-12x40? Also better alternative to the factory magazine...Marauder or Gauntlet?

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on February 26, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
I've been using my Marauder mags and they work just fine, they just don't snap in the way the stock ones do.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 26, 2019, 08:39:50 AM
So alternating from high to low power does actually increase shot count?  I don't know why, but I was under the impression that this particular rifle got the same amount of shots on low and high power.  I guess I got it mixed up with another rifle.  Anywho, that's a plus...high power for squirrel hunting, low power for plinking.   Thanks.

The low power just blocks air after it leaves the valve.  If it conserves any air, probably negligible.  Easy enough for you to verify once you receive your gun. 
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on February 26, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
I've been using my Marauder mags and they work just fine, they just don't snap in the way the stock ones do.

I have a couple Gauntlet mags and they fit snugger than the Marauder mags, so if you need that tight fit, try the Gauntlet mags.
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Post by: Abefroman on February 26, 2019, 09:25:29 AM
Well,  Last night I removed the shroud and re-installed the barrel and went out and shot it. I got exactly the same results..  shots are 10" - 12" apart !!! all over the place.  I'm not sure if the problem is the barrel or something else.  I'm completely stumped at this point.  I was hoping that shooting with the barrel in a "floating" configuration would indicate a problem with the barrel/shroud combination, but, sadly, I don't think that is the case. 

I guess next I'm gonna try a crosman barrel and see if accuracy improves.  Other than that, I have no idea what to try.  Could the problem be somewhere else other than the barrel ???  Is it possible that the breech is screwed up, and if so, how could I determine that ?  It seems ok.  Also, I talked with Jennifer on the phone and she said I'm on the list for parts if/when they get any.

Cheers
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 26, 2019, 10:34:18 AM
Well,  Last night I removed the shroud and re-installed the barrel and went out and shot it. I got exactly the same results..  shots are 10" - 12" apart !!! all over the place.  I'm not sure if the problem is the barrel or something else.  I'm completely stumped at this point.  I was hoping that shooting with the barrel in a "floating" configuration would indicate a problem with the barrel/shroud combination, but, sadly, I don't think that is the case. 

I guess next I'm gonna try a crosman barrel and see if accuracy improves.  Other than that, I have no idea what to try.  Could the problem be somewhere else other than the barrel ???  Is it possible that the breech is screwed up, and if so, how could I determine that ?  It seems ok.  Also, I talked with Jennifer on the phone and she said I'm on the list for parts if/when they get any.

Cheers

Assuming the velocity is at least somewhat consistent, and you are not leaking at bolt probe O-rings, most likely the barrel.  Still that is allot to be off, even with a bent barrel. 

Are the pellets spiraling?  You can usually see it with a good back lighting near dusk.   Are your 10yd groups 2"?

How does the rifling look?   Have you pushed a few different types of pellets through the barrel?   Burr at the barrel port?   On mine, there is a ledge just past the barrel port, that "sizes" the pellet and shaves some of it off.  You feel it just before the bolt is fully closed.

 



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Post by: Abefroman on February 26, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
I didn't have much time last night, but tonight I will push some pellets through the barrel and take a look at them.  also, thanks for the reply.  I'm soaking up any and all recommendations.  Right now the barrel is off of the gun, but, if I have time, I'll re-install it and try 10 yard / 25 yard groups.
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Post by: superchikn on February 26, 2019, 01:20:00 PM
Mike,

Mine shoots oddly.  I have shot hole in hole groups with a given pellet then not so well the next day or a week later.  Barracudas almost always shoot lousy out of mine.  Most pellets will shoot 1 1/2" or better but there is no clear best pellet at least not consistently.
I shoot at 30 yds for the most part.  My gun is shooting at around 35 FPE right now.  I was hoping to get better groups out of the Barracudas at higher power and I may have achieved that to some point but I don't think I am getting the consistent accuracy I am seeing from others.

I have a few thousand pellets through it by now.I have scrubbed the bore with JB and a brass brush, two different times.  Cleaned it very thoroughly several times.  There is no burr at the port and I have polished the crown and the leade.  I have knocked down the edge from the leade into the bore.


My barrel seems to be choked.  It is also quite snug just past the TP.  When i push a pellet through there are several tight spots, they are small spots like a burr but they have not polished out or shot out.
Shooting this past weekend I had a fair amount of vertical stringing with several pallets but not all.  I have not shot any Chrony strings lately but I will.  I only have the $28 Chinese unit.  It works well but needs me to convert to fps and do all other calculations.


I do see some spiraling and my bolt probe is not leaking.

Thinking I need to lap this barrel.  UGGH!




Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on February 26, 2019, 01:48:27 PM
Ray, the barrels are tight.. I am trying to get the .177 NSA slugs up to 900's.. I chambered and removed one and measured it.. 4.52 before and after 4.34 !! Doesn't the bore seem to small ? The slugs are fully rifled along the sides..Wondering if they need to be sized down.... darkcharisma offered his valve he made and I hope it would get the speed up.. I don't know if it would..
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Post by: hanleyfan on February 26, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
I wonder if they are ever going to make a .25cal. out?
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Post by: superchikn on February 26, 2019, 02:39:51 PM
Ray, the barrels are tight.. I am trying to get the .177 NSA slugs up to 900's.. I chambered and removed one and measured it.. 4.52 before and after 4.34 !! Doesn't the bore seem to small ? The slugs are fully rifled along the sides..Wondering if they need to be sized down.... darkcharisma offered his valve he made and I hope it would get the speed up.. I don't know if it would..
Ray,
I would say each end of mine is tight but the center is not.  I have several tight spots in mine though between the ends.
I have my reg cranked up about 3/4 of a turn to get my Barracuda a little over 900 fps.  The HS is adjusted to just below the knee (assuming I did it correctly).  My ports are also opened up to a little under .180".  I don't know enough to know if I need a valve or a larger plenum or what, but I believe most others are getting more power with much less reg adjustment.
Then again maybe my barrel is slowing things down.
Ray
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Post by: kzz1kaw on February 26, 2019, 07:48:52 PM
I didn't have much time last night, but tonight I will push some pellets through the barrel and take a look at them.  also, thanks for the reply.  I'm soaking up any and all recommendations.  Right now the barrel is off of the gun, but, if I have time, I'll re-install it and try 10 yard / 25 yard groups.
Try this remove the barrel push a pellet just past the tp take a flash light shine in on muzzle end. With the pellet in the bore you should not see any daylight keep pushing the pellet at different spots in the bore. If you see daylight the bore is not concentric thru out the length of the barrel hence a tight bore loose bore😎 accuracy will be affected meaning the pellet is not stable inside the full length of barrel as it exits the barrel 😎 in other words you have a bad barrel 😳
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 26, 2019, 11:33:46 PM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty

https://youtu.be/WpT3JuRZfzU
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 27, 2019, 12:41:57 AM
Many thanks for this video Stephen!
Very helpful to watch to get to know the gun if you ever have to work on it.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 27, 2019, 02:39:54 AM
Ray, what weight are you trying to push to 900fps? i can almost assertain 35-40fpe for your .177. check your pm. let me know tour current best speeds with your set up right now.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 27, 2019, 05:57:57 AM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty

https://youtu.be/WpT3JuRZfzU

Awesome Stephen, thank you for sharing this!

So to recap, the minimum recommended mods are:

1.  Pull the barrel shroud and confirm no barrel droop.
2.  Pull the barrel and drill out/debur the TP to 3/16".
3.  Adjust the regulator by turning 1/8 of a turn counter clock wise.

And this will result in a more efficient, higher power rifle (roughly 40 ft/lbs).  Did I miss anything?  I'm not really interested in making this rifle quieter, but I would like to improve accuracy to 50 and 100 yards.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 07:42:59 AM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty


Awesome Stephen, thank you for sharing this!

So to recap, the minimum recommended mods are:

1.  Pull the barrel shroud and confirm no barrel droop.
2.  Pull the barrel and drill out/debur the TP to 3/16".
3.  Adjust the regulator by turning 1/8 of a turn counter clock wise.

And this will result in a more efficient, higher power rifle (roughly 40 ft/lbs).  Did I miss anything?  I'm not really interested in making this rifle quieter, but I would like to improve accuracy to 50 and 100 yards.

Don't forget to add a .1 inch shim to the hammer spring. That should take it to around 40 fpe. Accuracy should be good unless there is an issue with the barrel. No need to re crown the barrel. At least for my guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 27, 2019, 07:50:39 AM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty


Awesome Stephen, thank you for sharing this!

So to recap, the minimum recommended mods are:

1.  Pull the barrel shroud and confirm no barrel droop.
2.  Pull the barrel and drill out/debur the TP to 3/16".
3.  Adjust the regulator by turning 1/8 of a turn counter clock wise.

And this will result in a more efficient, higher power rifle (roughly 40 ft/lbs).  Did I miss anything?  I'm not really interested in making this rifle quieter, but I would like to improve accuracy to 50 and 100 yards.

Don't forget to add a .1 inch shim to the hammer spring. That should take it to around 40 fpe. Accuracy should be good unless there is an issue with the barrel. No need to re crown the barrel. At least for my guns.

What would happen if you adjusted the regulator without increasing the hammer spring shim?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: KY_HillBilly on February 27, 2019, 07:59:27 AM
I've asked ATI twice via their web form, but no reply.  Do they ship airguns signature required??  That is a problem for me as I live way out in the country and all deliveries are made during working hours when my wife and I aren't home.
Thank you
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 27, 2019, 08:04:28 AM
I've asked ATI twice via their web form, but no reply.  Do they ship airguns signature required??  That is a problem for me as I live way out in the country and all deliveries are made during working hours when my wife and I aren't home.
Thank you

Mine didn't require a signature.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: KY_HillBilly on February 27, 2019, 08:19:19 AM
I've asked ATI twice via their web form, but no reply.  Do they ship airguns signature required??  That is a problem for me as I live way out in the country and all deliveries are made during working hours when my wife and I aren't home.
Thank you

Mine didn't require a signature.

Thank You!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on February 27, 2019, 08:39:54 AM
Banker, another great video. Thanks for the info. When you drill the barrel do you do it with the barrel out of the gun or in? What all is involved? Never done it before.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 27, 2019, 08:47:55 AM
Mike,

Mine shoots oddly.  I have shot hole in hole groups with a given pellet then not so well the next day or a week later.  Barracudas almost always shoot lousy out of mine.  Most pellets will shoot 1 1/2" or better but there is no clear best pellet at least not consistently.
I shoot at 30 yds for the most part.  My gun is shooting at around 35 FPE right now.  I was hoping to get better groups out of the Barracudas at higher power and I may have achieved that to some point but I don't think I am getting the consistent accuracy I am seeing from others.

I have a few thousand pellets through it by now.I have scrubbed the bore with JB and a brass brush, two different times.  Cleaned it very thoroughly several times.  There is no burr at the port and I have polished the crown and the leade.  I have knocked down the edge from the leade into the bore.


My barrel seems to be choked.  It is also quite snug just past the TP.  When i push a pellet through there are several tight spots, they are small spots like a burr but they have not polished out or shot out.
Shooting this past weekend I had a fair amount of vertical stringing with several pallets but not all.  I have not shot any Chrony strings lately but I will.  I only have the $28 Chinese unit.  It works well but needs me to convert to fps and do all other calculations.


I do see some spiraling and my bolt probe is not leaking.

Thinking I need to lap this barrel.  UGGH!


As already mentioned, you may have a bad barrel.

I will mention the poi changes I've seen at 10yds, that would be magnified at 30 and 50yds.  I do not know if any of it applies to your gun.

When I put the barrel back in with the slight upward bend forced by the mounts, I re-zeroed it on my basement range.  Actually, I set it to about 3/4" below my poa.  Both verticle and horizontal were out, but seen the same thing when I had the barrel off before.  Next day when I shot it, the poa was the poi.   I re-adjusted and tested it the next day and it held.  I chock that up to my issue with the barrel.

I have also seen poi changes depending on torquing on the three mounting points.  If I have the action just tight in the stock (no screws), vs one torqued down, vs 2 or three.  I have seen both verticle and horizontal movement of about 1/4".   I need to establish a torque sequence and value to try to return to the same.

Now, my stock rubs on the action in a few spots, that maybe the cause of this.  It rubs on one side of the air tube band and tube.   IMO, might be better off floating the air tube, but keeping the breech tight in the stock.  It is dry now, but wood will swell in the summer, and possibly cause more poi shifts. 

The way this gun is designed, it is all tied together in multiple spots, temperature swings and pressure swings may cause some poi changes.  Titanium, steel, aluminum, plastic, and wood, all expand and contract ant different rates.   I saw some poi changes early on from pressure, but seemed to go away latter.  Possibly from being in and out of the stock.  I haven't checked that in a while.  It is time consuming to carefully shoot a full fill on a grid. 

Anyway, thats what I've have noticed, and might be contributing to some of what you are seeing.

PS: I have had the block that the air tube and reg adjuster shift and not be inline with the breech block.  I was surprised that it moved at all with 2kpsi in it.  That was rather obvious, because it didn't go back in the stock.  I was able to apply hand pressure and move it back.


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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 27, 2019, 08:53:03 AM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty


Another great video, and the additional detail is welcome on the regulator.  I do need to go in and check the stack configuration, based on others having some "odd" stacks.  Maybe improve the Es.  As you said, good practice to lube the washers and spindle, too. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 08:59:34 AM
Banker, another great video. Thanks for the info. When you drill the barrel do you do it with the barrel out of the gun or in? What all is involved? Never done it before.

Thank you! You must take the barrel out of the gun to drill the barrel port. It's as simple as using the 3/16" drill bit and drill straight down. Put a piece of wood in the barrel so you do not accidentally hit the other side of the barrel. Then use some 400 to 600 grit sandpaper paper and sand in a uniform manner. There is a step about 3/4" down the barrel. I sanded that as well to make the step more gradual. Just get rid of any burrs. Use a Q tip to check for burrs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 27, 2019, 09:16:59 AM
FWIW: Given the upstream restriction is said to be 0.171", there is no reason to go larger than that on the barrel port.  11/64 drill. 

Burrs will also form on the outside and you can check with fingernail.  With the tight fitting breech, the ext burr would gouge the aluminum.   I use a ball hone on the inside burrs, and still takes some careful time to get it out. 
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Post by: Orion on February 27, 2019, 10:44:31 AM
@Stephen

WOW! With that last video. Thanks so much for the shout out. You have it all there, great information and great presentation.

Now I'm really curious about my gun. I'll share next a shot string because I don't know why I was in the 930fps when I did the 10 shots in my first video...

Thanks once more man! You have done a great job explaining.... One of the thing I was wondering was, how are you guys removing the regulator. I remember on the first video you didn't went this far... then at some point I remember reading.. I did it!! But I don't remember reading how you did it.. the rubber around it was genius!
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Post by: tracker1955 on February 27, 2019, 04:15:24 PM
Thanks Steven for the new video. Took the time to remove my action from the stock today and switch the two trigger screws, then checked to make sure my saftey still worked and what the reduced pull rate was like. Although it wasn't a huge difference it's still better than it was before the switch. As the parts wear in they seem to polish each other with use. Even before switching the screws around the trigger was much better than it was when brand new, now it's a tad bit better. :D
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Post by: cosmic on February 27, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Great as always Steve !! I am glad that the screw switch works so well that I suggested to you.. Different leverage on the sear that way.. My action is on it's way to darkchrisma for a valve upgrade.. Very nice of him to do this for a tremor ridden old guy..
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on February 27, 2019, 05:33:24 PM
Steve, great video again, and a perfect summary. Thanks for posting the warning on the sticky so everyone would see it. This gun is so good out of the box, I sometimes wonder why we even mess around, but I know the answer. "That's just the kind of guys we are, always trying to make things better".

I think the reason there was still a little pressure left, was temp change after venting. Very cold after rapid vent and slight warming before you took the regulator block off. Did you dry fire the valve after you vented? Another possibility.

Keep up the good work, I feel like we're good friends just from watching your videos, ha!  Be safe.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 27, 2019, 06:02:26 PM
Quote
My action is on it's way to darkchrisma for a valve upgrade..

By "valve" do you mean valve in the regulator?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on February 27, 2019, 06:32:25 PM
I was referring to possible pressure still in plenum, regulator and valve. The silver pressure release screw might only release pressure from the front side of the block ( Reservoir tube). Always a good pratice to safely dry fire a couple of times to make sure all the pressure is gone. Not being critical at all, just trying to offer a possible explanation.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on February 27, 2019, 06:41:20 PM
He built a valve and a poppet for it.. He is going to drill the port and install the valve.. I am having my son elongate the barrel port for me.. darkcharisma sent me instructions on how to do it.. All the members here are wonderful supplying all this information openly ...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on February 27, 2019, 07:05:43 PM
Just ordered a Liberty for my cousin.   The coupon from Hard Air Magazine still isn't working on their web site.  However, you can call them with the promo code (HARDAIR20), and they will honor it.  Final price including shipping was a cool $288. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 27, 2019, 07:27:32 PM
I was referring to possible pressure still in plenum, regulator and valve. The silver pressure release screw might only release pressure from the front side of the block ( Reservoir tube). Always a good pratice to safely dry fire a couple of times to make sure all the pressure is gone. Not being critical at all, just trying to offer a possible explanation.


I think it is buried somewhere earlier in the thread about the plenum holding pressure.  The bleed is on the air tube side ahead of the plenum and reg.  Just need a few dry fires to empty the plenum.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 27, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
Quote
He built a valve and a poppet for it.. He is going to drill the port and install the valve..

Got ya what you mean now.

Many thanks for the clarification.
That should be interesting to how that effects your numbers..........before and after.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 08:47:15 PM
I think I have a sickness...My Branch Manager Can't understand why I'm later for a closing. My Neighbor said he could faintly hear my router at 2:00am. My wife thinks I'm having an affair. But I can't stop
making Walnut stocks. 2nd stock is going to be a Bantam Style probably about 3 lbs and the 3rd stock will be a sporter style.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 27, 2019, 08:52:16 PM
It's this valve I made out of 416 steel. It's heat treated. 1/4 throat and .217 exhaust. It's huge compared to oem
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 27, 2019, 08:53:02 PM
I think I have a sickness...My Branch Manager Can't understand why I'm later for a closing. My Neighbor said he could faintly hear my router at 2:00am. My wife thinks I'm having an affair. But I can't stop
making Walnut stocks. 2nd stock is going to be a Bantam Style probably about 3 lbs and the 3rd stock will be a sporter style.

If you run out of ideas at 2 am, here's a stock I'd like to see for my Liberty...  ;)

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 09:26:59 PM
It's this valve I made out of 416 steel. It's heat treated. 1/4 throat and .217 exhaust. It's huge compared to oem

Wow! That valve looks amazing. Have you tried it yet? Are you going to do a comparison to the stock Valve?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
I think I have a sickness...My Branch Manager Can't understand why I'm later for a closing. My Neighbor said he could faintly hear my router at 2:00am. My wife thinks I'm having an affair. But I can't stop
making Walnut stocks. 2nd stock is going to be a Bantam Style probably about 3 lbs and the 3rd stock will be a sporter style.

If you run out of ideas at 2 am, here's a stock I'd like to see for my Liberty...  ;)

If the grip and butt stock screw into the wood part of the stock that could be an easy one to make.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 27, 2019, 09:39:24 PM
Stephen you have the worse sickness than I. The Work stops at 12am. But the thought run wild in my head about what to do and ways to turn a part. Into the morning sometimes. Haha
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on February 27, 2019, 10:00:05 PM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty

https://youtu.be/WpT3JuRZfzU

Another excellent video Thank you!! I drilled the barrel port to 3/16" added the shim on the HS and turned my regulator up today. It seemed to up the FPS by about 100FPS but I still seem to be a little low on power.

Here is what I shot after the adjustment.
.22 Liberty                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   281.00   294.00   296.00   294.00   297.00   295.00   296.00   293.00   293.00   294.00      
FPS   14.30   921.92   964.57   971.13   964.57   974.41   967.85   971.13   961.29   961.29   964.57   962.27   29.41
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   Baracuda M   242.00   243.00   241.00   241.00   241.00   241.00   242.00   239.00   242.00   241.00      
FPS   21.14   793.96   797.24   790.68   790.68   790.68   790.68   793.96   784.12   793.96   790.68   791.67   29.43

Here is a before with CPHP

.22 Liberty                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   262.00   266.00   257.00   263.00   266.00   263.00   260.00   263.00   259.00   255.00      
FPS   14.30   859.58   872.70   843.18   862.86   872.70   862.86   853.02   862.86   849.74   836.61   857.61   23.36
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   CPHP   258.00   259.00   261.00   263.00   260.00   264.00   261.00   260.00   258.00   259.00      
FPS   14.30   846.46   849.74   856.30   862.86   853.02   866.14   856.30   853.02   846.46   849.74   854.00   23.16




                                       

I was thinking it maybe my chrono (the Chinese clamp on) giving me a low reading but everyone that has one says they are very accurate compared to the more expensive versions. Here is 30 shot string I just did from my AT44 which seems like it is in line with what the AT44 should be shooting.

.22 AT44S-10                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   287.00   286.00   289.00   290.00   287.00   290.00   294.00   294.00   295.00   292.00      
FPS   14.30   941.60   938.32   948.16   951.44   941.60   951.44   964.57   964.57   967.85   958.01   952.76   28.83
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   CPHP   295.00   295.00   295.00   296.00   295.00   297.00   295.00   295.00   294.00   292.00      
FPS   14.30   967.85   967.85   967.85   971.13   967.85   974.41   967.85   967.85   964.57   958.01   967.52   29.73
                                       
                                       
   Pellet Wt   Shot 1   Shot2   Shot 3   Shot 4   Shot 5   Shot 6   Shot 7   Shot 8   Shot 9   Shot 10   Avg FPS   FPE
.22 AT44S-10                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   291.00   292.00   290.00   289.00   287.00   287.00   285.00   283.00   281.00   277.00      
FPS   14.30   954.72   958.01   951.44   948.16   941.60   941.60   935.04   928.48   921.92   908.79   938.98   28.00
                                 




I am not sure why my gun seems to be low on power I would like to try to get up to 40FPE but am unsure on what else to try. Maybe one more washer on the HS?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on February 27, 2019, 10:19:26 PM
SoCalZac

That looks pretty good! What speed are you trying to get? I’m focusing on the CPHP. You are doing almost 1000fps.

Are you hunting? I’m asking because unless you are hunting and really need this power I’ll recommend to check increases in power with accuracy changes. Some pellets prefer to be shot in the 800 for better stability.

I learned a lot when I was shooting my TX 200, that gun is as accurate as any pcp.. in the 40 yard range. I tuned the spring and while doing so, the recommended option is going with the low power one to increase accuracy, well not 100% relevant with this scenario because with springers there are other factors...but what I want to say is that not always more is better. I think, in my opinion, you have a really nice tune there.

My advice, shoot the *(&^ out of that gun now and enjoy it!! Unless you really need that power for hunting for example.....
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on February 27, 2019, 10:25:58 PM
SoCalZac

That looks pretty good! What speed are you trying to get? I’m focusing on the CPHP. You are doing almost 1000fps.

Are you hunting? I’m asking because unless you are hunting and really need this power I’ll recommend to check increases in power with accuracy changes. Some pellets prefer to be shot in the 800 for better stability.

I learned a lot when I was shooting my TX 200, that gun is as accurate as any pcp.. in the 40 yard range. I tuned the spring and while doing so, the recommended option is going with the low power one to increase accuracy, well not 100% relevant with this scenario because with springers there are other factors...but what I want to say is that not always more is better. I think, in my opinion, you have a really nice tune there.

My advice, shoot the *(&^ out of that gun now and enjoy it!! Unless you really need that power for hunting for example.....

Not hunting unless you count ground squirrels and hosps but I see everyone else getting more power so figured why not!!

 I do have 70 yards on my property and could probably stretch it out to a hundo if I move some stuff around. I usually shoot around 40-60 yards though. Mine seems to really like the Baracuda Match so I guess I’m looking to shoot those a little faster.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 10:37:36 PM
Stephen you have the worse sickness than I. The Work stops at 12am. But the thought run wild in my head about what to do and ways to turn a part. Into the morning sometimes. Haha

If I had a lathe it would be right next to bed so that when an idea hits me in the middle of the night I just have to turn over to start working. Ha ha!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 27, 2019, 10:42:26 PM
A replacement video of importnant things to know about your ATI Nova Liberty


Another excellent video Thank you!! I drilled the barrel port to 3/16" added the shim on the HS and turned my regulator up today. It seemed to up the FPS by about 100FPS but I still seem to be a little low on power.

Here is what I shot after the adjustment.
.22 Liberty                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   281.00   294.00   296.00   294.00   297.00   295.00   296.00   293.00   293.00   294.00      
FPS   14.30   921.92   964.57   971.13   964.57   974.41   967.85   971.13   961.29   961.29   964.57   962.27   29.41
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   Baracuda M   242.00   243.00   241.00   241.00   241.00   241.00   242.00   239.00   242.00   241.00      
FPS   21.14   793.96   797.24   790.68   790.68   790.68   790.68   793.96   784.12   793.96   790.68   791.67   29.43

Here is a before with CPHP

.22 Liberty                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   262.00   266.00   257.00   263.00   266.00   263.00   260.00   263.00   259.00   255.00      
FPS   14.30   859.58   872.70   843.18   862.86   872.70   862.86   853.02   862.86   849.74   836.61   857.61   23.36
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   CPHP   258.00   259.00   261.00   263.00   260.00   264.00   261.00   260.00   258.00   259.00      
FPS   14.30   846.46   849.74   856.30   862.86   853.02   866.14   856.30   853.02   846.46   849.74   854.00   23.16




                                       

I was thinking it maybe my chrono (the Chinese clamp on) giving me a low reading but everyone that has one says they are very accurate compared to the more expensive versions. Here is 30 shot string I just did from my AT44 which seems like it is in line with what the AT44 should be shooting.

.22 AT44S-10                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   287.00   286.00   289.00   290.00   287.00   290.00   294.00   294.00   295.00   292.00      
FPS   14.30   941.60   938.32   948.16   951.44   941.60   951.44   964.57   964.57   967.85   958.01   952.76   28.83
                                       
Mag 2                                       
MPS   CPHP   295.00   295.00   295.00   296.00   295.00   297.00   295.00   295.00   294.00   292.00      
FPS   14.30   967.85   967.85   967.85   971.13   967.85   974.41   967.85   967.85   964.57   958.01   967.52   29.73
                                       
                                       
   Pellet Wt   Shot 1   Shot2   Shot 3   Shot 4   Shot 5   Shot 6   Shot 7   Shot 8   Shot 9   Shot 10   Avg FPS   FPE
.22 AT44S-10                                       
Mag 1                                       
MPS   CPHP   291.00   292.00   290.00   289.00   287.00   287.00   285.00   283.00   281.00   277.00      
FPS   14.30   954.72   958.01   951.44   948.16   941.60   941.60   935.04   928.48   921.92   908.79   938.98   28.00
                                 




I am not sure why my gun seems to be low on power I would like to try to get up to 40FPE but am unsure on what else to try. Maybe one more washer on the HS?

First see where the reg is set by observing where the fps drops off. Then I would turn the reg up another 1/8 turn CCW. Adding shims to a lower reg setting will waste air. If you don't get the 40 fpe with the reg turned up 1/4 turn CCW then add an additional shims. You what to balance the hammer spring tension with the reg pressure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 27, 2019, 11:20:43 PM
Stephen, I tested the valve I made and was maxing out at 1107fps with 14.3grains. but pushing 28.6 grains only at 845fps. With 2 shims to the hammer spring and reg turned 1/2 CCW. The ports are at .217 from exhaust to barrel.

There are two screw ups that made me think I am not getting the speed I was trying To get. I messed up the TP port ...one section was oblong to .250 by the power wheel. This probably is messing with air flow.
The other is the brass tip that seals against the brasswheel is shortened due to damage. This makes it hard to get consistent settings with you guys. My psi seems to be around 2300psi...I need a nanometer badly. And an adjustable hammer spring tensioner.

I am going to put this on a halt for now and focus on the Gauntlet .25...getting 60fpe at 2000psi. But it has much more plenum compared to Liberty. Liberty only has 10-12ccs total. Boy 60fps hitting 2x4 and passing it at 5 feet. I need the Liberty to do that...bigger plenum coming in with 7075 bar. We will see
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on February 28, 2019, 08:58:17 AM
Stephen, I tested the valve I made and was maxing out at 1107fps with 14.3grains. but pushing 28.6 grains only at 845fps. With 2 shims to the hammer spring and reg turned 1/2 CCW. The ports are at .217 from exhaust to barrel.

There are two screw ups that made me think I am not getting the speed I was trying To get. I messed up the TP port ...one section was oblong to .250 by the power wheel. This probably is messing with air flow.
The other is the brass tip that seals against the brasswheel is shortened due to damage. This makes it hard to get consistent settings with you guys. My psi seems to be around 2300psi...I need a nanometer badly. And an adjustable hammer spring tensioner.

I am going to put this on a halt for now and focus on the Gauntlet .25...getting 60fpe at 2000psi. But it has much more plenum compared to Liberty. Liberty only has 10-12ccs total. Boy 60fps hitting 2x4 and passing it at 5 feet. I need the Liberty to do that...bigger plenum coming in with 7075 bar. We will see

Thanks for the info. Troy Hammer is looking at making a HS adjuster and possibly a steel TP wheel so that we can safely open the TP without fear of failure. Troy did mention that there is a shelf on either side of the TP wheel opening that could possibly limit how large of a diameter the new bolt/wheel can be. I'm waiting on his findings and will report ASAP.

Nice work on the Guantlet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 28, 2019, 09:46:51 AM
Ok, here's the latest...  I removed the barrel again and crowned it using a dremel, round ball bit and then the brass screw with valve grinding compound.  Then I re-dressed the TP hole in the barrel that I previously drilled out to 3/16".  I may have had a burr in there.  First off, this rifle absolutely HATES JSB heavies 18gr.  They are still shooting 8 to 10 inch patterns.  I also tried some CPHP and they are hitting the target completely sideways, and all over the place.  I've adjusted the reg 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer +.1 inch.

HOWEVER, I next tried the H&N Barracuda Match 21 grain and they shot pretty decent.  the attached pic shows a 6 shot group at 52 yards.. along with my thumb.  I now need to chrony it and see where the power is.  I also noticed that if I DO or DONT let the reg "settle" by waiting a while between shots, the POI changes..vertically about 1 to 2 inches.   The rifle is also somewhat hold sensitive.  I think that I'm gonna take the barrel off one more time and push some pellets through it to see what I get.  Then maybe I will use some valve grinding compound and shave down the 'step' in the barrel at the breech, and then maybe "LAP" the barrel.... although I've never done that... so I'll have to do some more homework on exactly how that is done.  But, for now, it's better than it was, but still no where near the accuracy of the Gauntlet.    Cheers

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 28, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
Wow, that's a remarkable 52 yard group, especially for it to be spraying JSBs and CPHPs.  Those are 3 pellets I always test and I can't say I've ever seen such a marked difference between them.  Seldom if ever do the CPHP impress at those distances but if they're going sideways, I would not suspect the barrel is the chief culprit in light of how the Baracudas grouped.  Perhaps they are going supersonic and beginning to spiral.

I have no idea why the JSB 18's would do so poorly except I have noticed some barrels that have a burr (whether at the barrel port, leade, or crown) tend to be more tolerant of Crosman pellets than JSB.  My guess is that the harder alloy of the Crosman pellets doesn't get damaged as badly as the softer JSB.

If you take the barrel off again, push a couple of each pellet through and inspect them under magnification, or post a closeup photo here and I'll see if I can spot anything out of the ordinary. 

In the accurizing link in my signature, there is a walkthrough on how I inspect and prepare a barrel, along with pictures of some common problem areas.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 28, 2019, 10:54:17 AM
Mike, Very good progress!  :) 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 28, 2019, 11:00:26 AM
Ok, here's the latest...  I removed the barrel again and crowned it using a dremel, round ball bit and then the brass screw with valve grinding compound.  Then I re-dressed the TP hole in the barrel that I previously drilled out to 3/16".  I may have had a burr in there.  First off, this rifle absolutely HATES JSB heavies 18gr.  They are still shooting 8 to 10 inch patterns.  I also tried some CPHP and they are hitting the target completely sideways, and all over the place.  I've adjusted the reg 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer +.1 inch.

HOWEVER, I next tried the H&N Barracuda Match 21 grain and they shot pretty decent.  the attached pic shows a 6 shot group at 52 yards.. along with my thumb.  I now need to chrony it and see where the power is.  I also noticed that if I DO or DONT let the reg "settle" by waiting a while between shots, the POI changes..vertically about 1 to 2 inches.   The rifle is also somewhat hold sensitive.  I think that I'm gonna take the barrel off one more time and push some pellets through it to see what I get.  Then maybe I will use some valve grinding compound and shave down the 'step' in the barrel at the breech, and then maybe "LAP" the barrel.... although I've never done that... so I'll have to do some more homework on exactly how that is done.  But, for now, it's better than it was, but still no where near the accuracy of the Gauntlet.    Cheers

I just bought a JSB pellet sample kit and mine also seems to hate JSB pellets, especially those with less than 5.52 skirt diameter.  H&N's are still its favored pellet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 28, 2019, 11:07:55 AM
I just bought a JSB pellet sample kit and mine also seems to hate JSB pellets, especially those with less than 5.52 skirt diameter.

Do you mean head diameter?  The skirts should always be quite a bit larger than that, usually larger than 5.6mm in my experience.  Some I just checked were 5.64 - 5.66mm for example.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on February 28, 2019, 11:16:28 AM
I just bought a JSB pellet sample kit and mine also seems to hate JSB pellets, especially those with less than 5.52 skirt diameter.

Do you mean head diameter?  The skirts should always be quite a bit larger than that, usually larger than 5.6mm in my experience.  Some I just checked were 5.64 - 5.66mm for example.

Sorry, you're probably correct.  I just noticed that in the pellet description some were labeled as "5.50mm" while the ones that gave me slightly better groups were labeled "5.52mm".
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on February 28, 2019, 11:31:22 AM
Hmm.  I think I was shooting 5.53's I got from pyramid, but I ordered 3 tins of H&N Barracudas from amazon and they are probably smaller head diameter than 5.53.  I'll have to shoot those and see how they group.

How do I smooth down / taper the leade to bore ledge ?  dp I need to use some kind of tapered dowl or something?  do you twist it in the barrel or ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 28, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
How do I smooth down / taper the leade to bore ledge ?  dp I need to use some kind of tapered dowl or something?  do you twist it in the barrel or ???

treat the leade->bore transition -  A picture is in order: (thanks to Kirby)
(https://i.imgur.com/WC0gXUM.jpg)

Knock down the sharp transition between the leade and the bore.  A regimen of 320, 400, and 600 grit is good for this operation.  Wrap the paper around a small dowel and sweep it in and out, applying pressure all around the perimeter. 

Or some folks like to do it with a Cratex point.  They are rubberized grinding/polishing points impregnated with an abrasive.  You can shape the diameter to fit the leade and shape the point with a taper so it will bevel the leading edge of the rifling.

Either way, the goal is to make it so the pellet can ease up into the rifling without getting gouged.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on February 28, 2019, 12:57:58 PM

Thanks for the info. Troy Hammer is looking at making a HS adjuster and possibly a steel TP wheel so that we can safely open the TP without fear of failure. Troy did mention that there is a shelf on either side of the TP wheel opening that could possibly limit how large of a diameter the new bolt/wheel can be. I'm waiting on his findings and will report ASAP.

Nice work on the Guantlet.

The Wheel measures .275 or 7mm. looking throught the wheel port sideways, you can see the upper section which is where the barrel sits. pretty thin section. dont go larger than .299 for the wheel size. i feel its as good at 7mm for up to .217 TP which i also made out of o1. it gets pretty thin but o1 heat treated will last for a long while if not forever. heres comparison for 3/16 vs .217...tell Troy to not heat treat so you can port larger if needed.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on February 28, 2019, 06:20:04 PM
Mike, the 52yrd group that you posted looks great!  Your making some real progress. What "fps" are the different pellets being shot at?  Nervous is correct in that some pellets like a slightly slower speed @ a given twist rate. Following your progress with the anticipation that you will end up with a great shooter.

Darkcharism, that's some awesome work you do!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 28, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
Mike
Did you try the light test with the pellet in the bore? Barrel has to be removed from the action. You should not see any light as you push the pellet through the length of the barrel
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 28, 2019, 07:09:04 PM
It's pretty easy to feel loose and tight spots when pushing a pellet through with a cleaning rod.  Within some reasonable limits, it's okay to be loose throughout the middle, just not at the muzzle.  Same concept as a choke.

Without a blast of air to make the skirt obturate, you'll see light weeping around any pellet you insert.
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Post by: darkcharisma on February 28, 2019, 07:39:00 PM

Darkcharism, that's some awesome work you do!!!

Thanks brother, got your liberty shooting?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 28, 2019, 08:04:46 PM
It's pretty easy to feel loose and tight spots when pushing a pellet through with a cleaning rod.  Within some reasonable limits, it's okay to be loose throughout the middle, just not at the muzzle.  Same concept as a choke.

Without a blast of air to make the skirt obturate, you'll see light weeping around any pellet you insert.
🤔 I found that on My gm lw cz bsa zboria barrels I don’t see any or feel any tight spots with a light shining down the barrel and the barrels are very accurate. What I found is the barrel on one of my hatsan would group 6 inches at 30 yards no matter what pellet I tried. Crown leade and tp is good light test the barrel with a pellet  can see daylight. Got another barrel from hatsan cleaned barrel pellet in the bore light test again no daylight. Mounted new barrel clover leaf holes to hole in hole at 30 conclusion bad barrel. Pellet had daylight from tp  to end of the barrel. Same goes with crosman barrels. I do the same with them as I own a few crosman guns. The barrels that don’t show any light are the good one providing the crown leade tp are good. That has been my experience with these barrels. 😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on February 28, 2019, 08:35:05 PM
Well that's just not matching what I'm seeing.  Maybe we're doing something different but I don't know what it would be.

Here's a Green Mountain .25 barrel with a Baracuda Match
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6248)

And here's a Lothar Walther .177 with a JSB 10.3gr
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6247)

Same with a .177 QB barrel but I didn't take a photo.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on February 28, 2019, 09:00:48 PM
I use the largest head diameter in each caliber dunno. Doesn’t matter I guess as long as the end results works for you👍🏾😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on February 28, 2019, 10:09:14 PM
I'm really surprised that the barrel shoots well with Barracudas but poorly with JSB 18's. Mine does equally well with the JSB's and Barracudas with 5.53 head size. I haven't tried Barracudas with a smaller head but would be interesting to see what they do in mine.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on February 28, 2019, 10:21:00 PM
Tom - The two PCP's I shoot the most Liberty and Marauder in 22 caliber do better accuracy wise like the 5.50 heads using the Barracudas.
The 5.53 shoot much slower than the 5.50.
But like they say "Your mileage may vary".
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 01, 2019, 08:17:02 AM
The 5.53 shoot much slower than the 5.50.
But like they say "Your mileage may vary".


BM 5.52 shot faster than 5.53 in mine by about 20fps.  I didn't have any other head sizes to try.  I haven't tested either for accuracy, until I break that leade step/edge. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 01, 2019, 08:39:58 AM
Quote
BM 5.52 shot faster than 5.53 in mine by about 20fps.

That's approximately the difference I found.
I'll have to remember to check my Disco and Chief to see if I get similar results.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 01, 2019, 09:26:14 AM
So, are you supposed to see light in the grooves, or are you supposed to not see any light at all ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on March 01, 2019, 09:34:15 AM
Without knowing the precise groove diameter of the barrel and the precise head diameter, there’s no way to know if you should or should not see light.

The skirt will just compress out of the way.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 01, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 01, 2019, 07:51:32 PM
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.

Wow!  When you get bored let me know, I’ll buy you a nice walnut board and you can make me one!  LOL!  That is going to be amazing when it’s finished!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 02, 2019, 08:24:03 AM
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.

Wow!  When you get bored let me know, I’ll buy you a nice walnut board and you can make me one!  LOL!  That is going to be amazing when it’s finished!!!

Thanks Paul. If I get good at this I may take you up on that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 02, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
Bantam Style Walnut Stock. only 3 days of work and much better in-letting than the first stock.

Wow!  When you get bored let me know, I’ll buy you a nice walnut board and you can make me one!  LOL!  That is going to be amazing when it’s finished!!!

Thanks Paul. If I get good at this I may take you up on that.

I would certainly be honored if you did!  You have some amazing woodworking skills!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 03, 2019, 09:17:49 PM
Hi all,

Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8)

I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 04, 2019, 08:48:59 AM
what pellet were you using ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 04, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
Hi all,
Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.
I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?

I went right to Keith's graph.  :) 

From a data standpoint, it is better to average the double feed from the shot ahead of and behind vs deleting. 
Deleting impacts the efficiency and shot count results.  Same with any chrony errors.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 04, 2019, 09:48:22 AM
what pellet were you using ???
I was using the CPHP 14.3, I forgot to mention that on the video, but it's on the description.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 04, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
Hi all,
Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.
I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?

I went right to Keith's graph.  :) 

From a data standpoint, it is better to average the double feed from the shot ahead of and behind vs deleting. 
Deleting impacts the efficiency and shot count results.  Same with any chrony errors.

Good idea! I had only a single Error, but it's true, the shot count on the graph is affected also the efficiency... Thanks for the heads up! I deleted them because the ES was on the roof with those 2 double feedings
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on March 04, 2019, 09:51:43 AM
Hi all,

Here is a video I did for a string shot on my Nova Liberty out of the box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8)

I think it's shooting above average compared with what you are getting out of the box right?

Good job on the video it looks like your gun is shooting where mine is after I opened up the barrel port/shimmed HS/and turned up the regulator but seems to be about where Steven’s guns were shooting out of the box.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 06, 2019, 08:14:57 AM
Steve

Can't wait to see your sporter stock. At some point this spring, I'm going to try & modify my original stock to loose a couple of pounds. (new long beach-wood  diet) Shorten a tad, and maybe try to skeletonize the butt.

I would love to see some type of a semi bull pup configuration. Steal some linkage from something else and try it out. With the lever action, and the way it's weight is balanced, it would be well suited. All I need is a wood shop, two helpers a guide book (how to) and a couple of weeks off work, he, he.

Post more pics as you get them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 06, 2019, 04:19:43 PM
Steve

Can't wait to see your sporter stock. At some point this spring, I'm going to try & modify my original stock to loose a couple of pounds. (new long beach-wood  diet) Shorten a tad, and maybe try to skeletonize the butt.

I would love to see some type of a semi bull pup configuration. Steal some linkage from something else and try it out. With the lever action, and the way it's weight is balanced, it would be well suited. All I need is a wood shop, two helpers a guide book (how to) and a couple of weeks off work, he, he.

Post more pics as you get them.

This is my current progress on the bantam style stock after 7 days of work. Much better in-letting.  I would be very curious to see what you come up with. maybe I can feed off of your ideas as well. Thank you
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 06, 2019, 08:07:20 PM
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets! 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 06, 2019, 08:39:03 PM
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 07, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.

It happened to me twice but never again. You have to be very methodical when you cycle the side lever. All the way back and comment to cocking forward. I have shot hundreds of rounds using the magazine with no more double feeds.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 07, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.

It happened to me twice but never again. You have to be very methodical when you cycle the side lever. All the way back and comment to cocking forward. I have shot hundreds of rounds using the magazine with no more double feeds.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.

Do you guys have the .22 or .177?  I'm wondering if it worse with the .177 due to the smaller pellets?  I try to be very precise and methodical when cycling the rounds because it happens so frequently with my rifle, but it still happens.  I have even had instances where a pellet will jump from the magazine and end up jammed sideways in the breech side by the probe.  You wouldn't think there would be enough clearance for this to happen, but it has more frequently than you'd think!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 07, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.

It happened to me twice but never again. You have to be very methodical when you cycle the side lever. All the way back and comment to cocking forward. I have shot hundreds of rounds using the magazine with no more double feeds.
Anyone else having issues with double feeding os pellets in these?  Maybe it's the .177 more than the .22 due to the size of the pellets, but I've had the barrel off this rifle more than another I own due to it double feeding pellets!
If you see my last video, you will see that in 80 shots I got 2 double feeding. I don’t know if it was me or something weird in the magazines but it happened twice.

Do you guys have the .22 or .177?  I'm wondering if it worse with the .177 due to the smaller pellets?  I try to be very precise and methodical when cycling the rounds because it happens so frequently with my rifle, but it still happens.  I have even had instances where a pellet will jump from the magazine and end up jammed sideways in the breech side by the probe.  You wouldn't think there would be enough clearance for this to happen, but it has more frequently than you'd think!

That sounds like the magazine is no good. What I mean by no good is that the precision of the wheel and outer magazine have too much play and that will cause pellets to fall through. That was a problem I had with My Crosman 2240 HPA builds a few years back. Wade cutters worked well while pointy pellets fell trough. I ended up using epoxy to tighten the diameter the exit and loading holes. It was not pretty.

I think Marauder Magazines are better made
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 07, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
I have not tried a Marauder Magazine.  I did purchase a couple Gauntlet mags as spares because those seemed to fit the breech opening better, they are just a tad thicker.  But, I have the same issues with those.  It does seem the opening in the clear cover is larger than it should be.  I measured the opening on the .177 (4.5mm), the .22 (5.5mm) and the .25 (6.5mm), the opening for the .177 mag is 1.2mm larger than the pellet size (5.7mm).  When I measured the .22 and .25 the opening is less than .5mm larger than the pellet size (5.9mm and 6.9mm).  So, that may be why the .177 pellets are popping out so easily.
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Post by: Orion on March 07, 2019, 05:34:51 PM
I have not tried a Marauder Magazine.  I did purchase a couple Gauntlet mags as spares because those seemed to fit the breech opening better, they are just a tad thicker.  But, I have the same issues with those.  It does seem the opening in the clear cover is larger than it should be.  I measured the opening on the .177 (4.5mm), the .22 (5.5mm) and the .25 (6.5mm), the opening for the .177 mag is 1.2mm larger than the pellet size (5.7mm).  When I measured the .22 and .25 the opening is less than .5mm larger than the pellet size (5.9mm and 6.9mm).  So, that may be why the .177 pellets are popping out so easily.

Paul, I have the .22
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 07, 2019, 09:22:52 PM
I have not tried a Marauder Magazine.  I did purchase a couple Gauntlet mags as spares because those seemed to fit the breech opening better, they are just a tad thicker.  But, I have the same issues with those.  It does seem the opening in the clear cover is larger than it should be.  I measured the opening on the .177 (4.5mm), the .22 (5.5mm) and the .25 (6.5mm), the opening for the .177 mag is 1.2mm larger than the pellet size (5.7mm).  When I measured the .22 and .25 the opening is less than .5mm larger than the pellet size (5.9mm and 6.9mm).  So, that may be why the .177 pellets are popping out so easily.

Paul, I have the .22

Thanks.  I'm half tempted to call ATI and see if they will swap me a .22 for the .177 since the .22 doesn't seem to have the issues I'm having with the .177!
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Post by: Wheelman on March 08, 2019, 05:19:31 PM
I tried using the Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty.
Instead of drilling both of the first barriers so the entire baffle slid into shroud I just drilled the threaded end barrier and then cut enough off the other end so I could put the cap on the shroud. (Hope that made sense).

What I found was with the baffle inserted the sound level was noticabley reduced and on lower power the accuracy was not affected.
With the power set on high the accuracy was negatively affected, at least with CPHP pellets, the pellets were tumbling when they impacted the target.
When I removed the baffle the accuracy was the same at both power levels.

My conclusion is that the baffle causes issues for pellets traveling at the speeds produced on the high power setting.
The reduction in sound isn't enough to make it worth keeping the baffle installed and using only the low power setting.

Wheelman
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 08, 2019, 05:46:58 PM
I tried using the Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty.
Instead of drilling both of the first barriers so the entire baffle slid into shroud I just drilled the threaded end barrier and then cut enough off the other end so I could put the cap on the shroud. (Hope that made sense).

What I found was with the baffle inserted the sound level was noticabley reduced and on lower power the accuracy was not affected.
With the power set on high the accuracy was negatively affected, at least with CPHP pellets, the pellets were tumbling when they impacted the target.
When I removed the baffle the accuracy was the same at both power levels.

My conclusion is that the baffle causes issues for pellets traveling at the speeds produced on the high power setting.
The reduction in sound isn't enough to make it worth keeping the baffle installed and using only the low power setting.

Wheelman
Noted thanks for the heads up👍🏾😎
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 09, 2019, 11:20:40 AM
 Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty: I removed mine and went with an Moderator.
It did reduce the db but the most notable change is it eliminated the "high pitch crack noise" that it had.
Much quieter than the Marauder. Forgot the db difference but very noticeable in basement and outside.
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Post by: stretch on March 09, 2019, 11:53:00 AM
Crosman Trail sound suppressor baffle in my Liberty: I removed mine and went with an Moderator.
It did reduce the db but the most notable change is it eliminated the "high pitch crack noise" that it had.
Much quieter than the Marauder. Forgot the db difference but very noticeable in basement and outside.

Hey Matt, did you modify your inflation fitting somehow?  If so, can you share any details?
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Post by: cosmic on March 09, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
Looks like he left the probe in and put a protective cap on it..
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 09, 2019, 03:18:31 PM
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Hey Matt, did you modify your inflation fitting somehow?  If so, can you share any details?

I left the probe in and put rubber cap/plug on it to for CYA.
Got tired of replacing orings. That was my main motivation.
I'm want to find something that I can slip over the barrel to hold the fill probe in place so I don't lose it.

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Looks like he left the probe in and put a protective cap on it.

Yep that's exactly what I did.
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Post by: stretch on March 09, 2019, 04:16:38 PM
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Hey Matt, did you modify your inflation fitting somehow?  If so, can you share any details?

I left the probe in and put rubber cap/plug on it to for CYA.
Got tired of replacing orings. That was my main motivation.
I'm want to find something that I can slip over the barrel to hold the fill probe in place so I don't lose it.

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Looks like he left the probe in and put a protective cap on it.

Yep that's exactly what I did.

I'm not a fan of those probes either.  I wonder if you could use a slightly thicker, firmer o-ring so the probe is less likely to come out? 
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Post by: superchikn on March 09, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
Ok, here's the latest...  I removed the barrel again and crowned it using a dremel, round ball bit and then the brass screw with valve grinding compound.  Then I re-dressed the TP hole in the barrel that I previously drilled out to 3/16".  I may have had a burr in there.  First off, this rifle absolutely HATES JSB heavies 18gr.  They are still shooting 8 to 10 inch patterns.  I also tried some CPHP and they are hitting the target completely sideways, and all over the place.  I've adjusted the reg 1/2 turn ccw and shimmed the hammer +.1 inch.

HOWEVER, I next tried the H&N Barracuda Match 21 grain and they shot pretty decent.  the attached pic shows a 6 shot group at 52 yards.. along with my thumb.  I now need to chrony it and see where the power is.  I also noticed that if I DO or DONT let the reg "settle" by waiting a while between shots, the POI changes..vertically about 1 to 2 inches.   The rifle is also somewhat hold sensitive.  I think that I'm gonna take the barrel off one more time and push some pellets through it to see what I get.  Then maybe I will use some valve grinding compound and shave down the 'step' in the barrel at the breech, and then maybe "LAP" the barrel.... although I've never done that... so I'll have to do some more homework on exactly how that is done.  But, for now, it's better than it was, but still no where near the accuracy of the Gauntlet.    Cheers

Hey Mike,  Do you leave the shroud screw at the rear of the shroud out or do you install it?I know that some leave it out and I was doing that too but after reading the string below I reinstalled mine and suddenly eight or so pellets are stacking up. 

While I had the shroud off I had the barrel out both barrel blocks and all three barrel o rings off.  I was checking barrel to tank alignment and I have some convergence but I don't think its a lot.  I left the two front barrel screws roughly finger tight to reduce downward pressure on the barrel but I don't think that was the fix.  Everything reinstalled the way it was.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155714.new#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155714.new#new)

I believe many of us were leaving that screw out and obviously it does not affect every gun the same but if anyone is having accuracy issues try putting the screw back in, if it is out or some of the suggestions in the above thread.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 09, 2019, 05:09:57 PM
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I'm not a fan of those probes either.  I wonder if you could use a slightly thicker, firmer o-ring so the probe is less likely to come out?

I tried that but was too big. Might be because my next size up was too large. I've bought more orings now so might try it again one day.
Right now I'm distracted. In the middle of replacing all orings in Discovery. Benjamin Chief is next.

Here is what I'm now using to keep the fill probe in place. Couple of orings and a tie wrap. Will see how it works out. Initial use is it's functional.


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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 09, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
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I believe many of us were leaving that screw out and obviously it does not affect every gun the same but if anyone is having accuracy issues try putting the screw back in, if it is out or some of the suggestions in the above thread.

My three screws are all in with it not effecting accuracy yet....... but will keep that in mind.
One thing I noticed was when I took mine apart the first time I was having some issues with reassembly. By chance I tried installing that last screw first then the remaining ones and solved that reassembly issue. Might have been something I was doing wrong to.
It hasn't been apart since. Too busy enjoying it.
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Post by: tracker1955 on March 09, 2019, 10:58:01 PM
One thing I've noticed about the Liberty is the barrels are quite tight, have found my accuracy falling off as of late, suspect my barrel needs to be cleaned again. I know the MM hammer forged barrels for the Marauders are quite tight also and need to be cleaned about every 100 rounds or so to stay accurate. This has prompted three questions now for me. (1)  How often are other owners needing to clean their barrels? (2) Is anyone using lubed pellets? I know MM recommends the use of FP10 and soft lead pellets shot out of their barrels. (3) How are you cleaning your barrels? without the NP2 baffles in mine and using a straw as a guide I find it difficult to get my pull through fed into the barrel to pull cleaning patches. Looking for a new cleaning method on this one, I may have to go back to using stiff weed wacker line as a pull through again. Any suggestions or opinions?
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 09, 2019, 11:11:06 PM
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I may have to go back to using stiff weed wacker line as a pull through again. Any suggestions or opinions?

The weed wacker line is all that I'm using now on all my PCP's and break barrels. So I don't mind.
Yep the soda straw is a must with getting past the baffles.

I do notice that using softer pellets(JSB's) does make the barrel dirtier which requires more frequent cleaning. I notice this on all my air rifles
not just the Liberty. So I tend to stick with H&N.
The only time I use JSB's are the Monsters 25 grain. It will be for bird feed raiders. The knock-down power has no equal.
I reserve the Monsters for my Marauder because it's the one that's tuned for them.

I use FP10 on the JSB Monsters. As to if it makes a difference in keeping the barrel cleaner. I'm not sure because the Marauder is dedicated to using the Monsters.
It doesn't get shot that often except to see if it's still on target.

The three pellets that my Liberty likes are the H&N Hornet(shoots the best), Predator Polymags and H&N Terminators. I think that this has mostly to do with the 16 grain pellet weight.
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 09, 2019, 11:34:31 PM
I'm also using a pull through for cleaning, no problems yet. I did polish the barrel with a very fine diamond paste and a cleaning mop. Also treated the barrel with Prolong "anti friction" oil additive. Not saying I am totally sold on the whole molecular bonding and filling theory, but it can't hurt. We'll see. Not using lubed pellets, but I do favor the harder ones.
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Post by: RDB on March 10, 2019, 03:15:42 AM
 If accuracy starts to fall off or not shooting like it used to,  Don't be afraid to hit it with a brass brush. Especially a tight barrel and harder alloy pellets. Ive run a pull through until the patches were clean, 4 swipes with a brush and the next patch was covered in little sparkling lead flakes. Ive found that harder alloy pellets in a tight or choked barrel need a little more attention co.e cleaning time. YMMV
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Post by: Letum on March 11, 2019, 02:36:11 AM
Good morning all.

Some assistance needed please.

I drilled my barrel's transfer port (I think that's what it's called) to 4.8mm (closest drill bit I could find in SA to 3/16). It actually seems as if my rifle's power dropped a bit. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?

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Post by: darkcharisma on March 11, 2019, 02:49:40 AM
Good morning all.

Some assistance needed please.

I drilled my barrel's transfer port (I think that's what it's called) to 4.8mm (closest drill bit I could find in SA to 3/16). It actually seems as if my rifle's power dropped a bit. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?

what was your before speed and the now speed in fps?
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Post by: Letum on March 11, 2019, 03:54:05 AM
Good morning all.

Some assistance needed please.

I drilled my barrel's transfer port (I think that's what it's called) to 4.8mm (closest drill bit I could find in SA to 3/16). It actually seems as if my rifle's power dropped a bit. Any idea of what I could have done wrong?

what was your before speed and the now speed in fps?

When I calculated the new speed with 21.14 H&N's was the same as the 25.39 Monster's. However this morning it's running all over the place. Think my reg may need some adjustment. Will get a chroni and revert.
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Post by: RDB on March 13, 2019, 02:47:55 AM
Well....I went and did it. Brown truck showed up today with a 22 cal. Fired a few shots and proceeded to tear it down scrub the barrel and do what everyone else has. Swap trigger screws, open up the barrel port and such. Run a few over the chrony before and after. Went from averaging 935 to 960 with crosmans after opening it up. There were 3 washers under the spring. While i had it apart I printed up a proper air stripper and got rid of that barrel/ shroud support slug. Will be able to use the whole shroud volume now. Oh...probe orings were crispy, tried to take one off and it broke. Really dry. Had some 004 70 urethane from my huntsman. Slid one on and left the original one behind it. Sealed up nice and tight. Ripped the other one off and put two on. Still fit nice and tight but the rear ring extruded ever so slightly. Wouldn't be a problem i dont think. Had some 004 90 cast urethane. That was the ticket and should last a good long while. Only thing I could complain about at the moment, would be how far you have to reef the cocking lever back before it catches the hammer. Im going to have to dig a little deeper and see what can be done. So far...pretty darn happy.






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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 13, 2019, 07:15:53 AM
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Only thing I could complain about at the moment, would be how far you have to reef the cocking lever back before it catches the hammer.

Noticed the same issue with mine along with trigger needing some massaging to lighten it up. It breaks crisp ok but it's a bit heavy.
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Post by: tracker1955 on March 13, 2019, 01:51:56 PM
Well, I solved my cleaning issue, bought a Hoppes bore snake and cropped the brass weight enough to feed it through from the breach end, just have to remove the end cap so I can grab the line. I also removed the internal brass brush except about a 1/2" piece so it would clear the opening. After several passes with some Rem oil it's back to grouping like before, one ragged hole at 30 yards zero. ;D I also ordered some Napier spray lube from Amazon to try on my pellets to test for accuracy with it and also if I can go longer between needed cleanings. I thought about buying the FP10 but the Napier spray had good reviews and thought it might be a little easier to apply, time will tell. ::)
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 14, 2019, 01:11:24 AM
It looks like I am going to enlarge the transfer port to 6mm and that means my current .217 power wheel  will not be used. It is made from o1 hardened. If anyone wants a spare power wheel pm me.

Which means after this I am finally going to make a plenum large enough to support .25 caliber...hopefully going to get 60fpe. I finally have a 1-1/2 round bar in 7075 t6 and also 1144 bar. Just needs turning to size. I am back at the Liberty project  ;D
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Post by: RDB on March 14, 2019, 01:49:36 AM
It looks like I am going to enlarge the transfer port to 6mm and that means my current .217 power wheel  will not be used. It is made from o1 hardened. If anyone wants a spare power wheel pm me.

Which means after this I am finally going to make a plenum large enough to support .25 caliber...hopefully going to get 60fpe. I finally have a 1-1/2 round bar in 7075 t6 and also 1144 bar. Just needs turning to size. I am back at the Liberty project  ;D


What do you think about hammer strike? Think there will be enough when you bump it up? I was inside mine today and the hammer is kind of light.  Id like to get it out of there and check it out, but think you'd have to get that little Phillips screw out of the cocking linkage to get it out of there . Have no idea how to get it out.  Looks very similar to the fx wildcat hammer where a weight with spring guide could be added in the hammer pocket. Would even be good on a slightly modded one. Little more hammer weight with lighter spring and less cocking force. Maybe even a little free flight.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 14, 2019, 02:42:54 AM
You don't need to touch the Philip screw. Once you have the hammer spring block out. There is a screw that holds the lever arm to the top. Undo that one through the stock screw hole from underneath, then pull the screw down...there is another screw that holds the lever block on the side. Undo that one and the hammer should fall free.

Yes it is a very light hammer, you can add a short rod in there and at the same time increase hammer tension that way. It is almost In a free flight mode if you can anchor the spring to the spring block. I think that's one way to do it
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Post by: Letum on March 14, 2019, 04:19:28 AM
Just an update from my side.

Bought myself a Chrony yesterday. Oooooh and life is good. Without thinking I plinked all my H&N's out and was left with an array of JSB's which I still had on the shelf. I did not bother with the lighter models and jumped straight to the 18.13gr's, believe it's the Jumbo Exact Heavy.

With 4 shims on the hammer spring and the reg turned down a fair amount it's averaging 884 fps, with a 9 fps spread.

Zero'd at 20m, and took her out to 50m. Was shooting a ragged hole grouping, 5 rounds and then for some odd reason it jumped about quarter of an inch to the left and then grouped another 5 shots into one another. I think it was the wind which might have bugged it a bit as there was a steady breeze.
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Post by: RDB on March 14, 2019, 03:45:12 PM
You don't need to touch the Philip screw. Once you have the hammer spring block out. There is a screw that holds the lever arm to the top. Undo that one through the stock screw hole from underneath, then pull the screw down...there is another screw that holds the lever block on the side. Undo that one and the hammer should fall free.

Yes it is a very light hammer, you can add a short rod in there and at the same time increase hammer tension that way. It is almost In a free flight mode if you can anchor the spring to the spring block. I think that's one way to do it



Thanks. I pulled that set screw with pin, but couldn't get it all the way out. So I didn't go any farther. Will give it a go next time. Really having fun tinkering with this gun. Made up a stack of baffels and installed the stripper. Noticeable change in tone. Right on par with my Daystate Huntsman.

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Post by: Wayne52 on March 15, 2019, 02:34:15 PM
I just bought a wood stock Liberty from AT, it's a .22 that was sent back for a warranty return.  $107.50 . . . . this should be a journey in it'self because I've been reading through all the threads (not seriously yet) since the guns have come out and there's definitely gobs of info already in this forum about these guns.  I just watched Bankers video shooting at a hundred yards with the JSB18.3's, I must say that I was impressed.  If I remember correctly AT ships stuff pretty prompt from what I remember.
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Post by: RDB on March 15, 2019, 03:41:41 PM
I just bought a wood stock Liberty from AT, it's a .22 that was sent back for a warranty return.  $107.50 . . . . this should be a journey in it'self because I've been reading through all the threads (not seriously yet) since the guns have come out and there's definitely gobs of info already in this forum about these guns.  I just watched Bankers video shooting at a hundred yards with the JSB18.3's, I must say that I was impressed.  If I remember correctly AT ships stuff pretty prompt from what I remember.

Very easy to work on Wayne. How did you come across that one? Wouldn't mind picking one up for parts. Took exactly a week for mine to arrive. Ordered on a Tuesday.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 15, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
i dont know how to link but go to bargain gate or call ati directly and ask
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Post by: Bob Pratl on March 15, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
I just bought a wood stock Liberty from AT, it's a .22 that was sent back for a warranty return.  $107.50 . . . . this should be a journey in it'self because I've been reading through all the threads (not seriously yet) since the guns have come out and there's definitely gobs of info already in this forum about these guns.  I just watched Bankers video shooting at a hundred yards with the JSB18.3's, I must say that I was impressed.  If I remember correctly AT ships stuff pretty prompt from what I remember.
Wayne You lucked out with the wooden stock and by the time I called in for one they only had a few synthetic ones left which I ended up getting. I hope that we don't end up with ones that have not been mutilated.  Did you order a magazine or will they come in with one? I forgot to ask.
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 15, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
Bob when I talked with the gal about it on the phone she said some did have mags but some don't ??? It's such a great deal I couldn't turn it down after reading all these months about these neat rifles.  I hope I get a mag but if not it's no big deal, I pretty much bought it for a project, I'll be tearing it down completely when it gets here to go over it with a fine tooth comb. 
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 15, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
Wayne
The Gauntlet mags are a "perfect" fit. About $12 bucks. Congrats, I bet you get a fully functional gun with a minor issue. Good luck & keep us posted on the progress.
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Post by: Rohmpm on March 16, 2019, 12:22:51 AM
I picked up another plastic and a wood one for r&d as  I've been using my shooter to develop parts. Pictured is a prototype plenum we cnc'ed up, 7068 aluminum, (not 7075). If the results are as I anticipate, l likely be offering them (among other parts) in a within stock configuration for those interested in extended shot counts and or increased power over the dismally small factory part. For my personal one I was going for the largest reasonable one as I don't mind stock butchering. When done testing, I'll remove the guage. I also made a press fit/epoxied titanium replacement for the power adjuster, NO issues with the factory one coming apart.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 01:10:47 AM
Billy, make sure to put me ontop of the list once you get some 7075-t6 round stocks in.
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Post by: Rohmpm on March 16, 2019, 01:39:42 AM
Billy, make sure to put me ontop of the list once you get some 7075-t6 round stocks in.
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Got a piece in a couple days ago, trying to find time to get to it, "dang" making a living getting in the way.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 16, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
I’m down for one😎
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 16, 2019, 07:39:35 AM
Ken I wasn't aware that you bought the Victory.  From what I've been reading these guns are a really decent fit and finish also.  I'm pretty spoiled with my tried and true Airmax Dominator, it's my go to hunting rifle and has been for quite some time now.  I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not.  I'm thinking that the pellets that I've been casting will probably work great in these guns.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 16, 2019, 07:55:14 AM
Ken I wasn't aware that you bought the Victory.  From what I've been reading these guns are a really decent fit and finish also.  I'm pretty spoiled with my tried and true Airmax Dominator, it's my go to hunting rifle and has been for quite some time now.  I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not.  I'm thinking that the pellets that I've been casting will probably work great in these guns.
Yes but in 177 synthetic I’m overseas and will be home April 8 so I haven’t even held the gun yet😎
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Post by: Bob Pratl on March 16, 2019, 08:07:23 AM
Ken I wasn't aware that you bought the Victory.  From what I've been reading these guns are a really decent fit and finish also.  I'm pretty spoiled with my tried and true Airmax Dominator, it's my go to hunting rifle and has been for quite some time now.  I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not.  I'm thinking that the pellets that I've been casting will probably work great in these guns.
Yes but in 177 synthetic I’m overseas and will be home April 8 so I haven’t even held the gun yet😎
Have a safe trip back and enjoy your new toy.
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Post by: Lastdog on March 16, 2019, 08:39:05 AM
Billy, please put me on your list.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 16, 2019, 09:20:18 AM
I'm curious as to what the twist rate is on the .22's and if they're a choked barrel or not. 

FWIW: I measured 18.5" - 19":1, but it was my first time measuring it.  I haven't seen any others posting it to compare. 


No choke
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Post by: Letum on March 16, 2019, 10:05:28 AM
I picked up another plastic and a wood one for r&d as  I've been using my shooter to develop parts. Pictured is a prototype plenum we cnc'ed up, 7068 aluminum, (not 7075). If the results are as I anticipate, l likely be offering them (among other parts) in a within stock configuration for those interested in extended shot counts and or increased power over the dismally small factory part. For my personal one I was going for the largest reasonable one as I don't mind stock butchering. When done testing, I'll remove the guage. I also made a press fit/epoxied titanium replacement for the power adjuster, NO issues with the factory one coming apart.

Add me to the list as well please!!! Will most likely order a few parts to justify shipping to SA. PS. Just don't call it gun parts on the waybill.
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 16, 2019, 10:12:35 AM
John thanks a lot for that info !!! That's pretty much comparable to my Airmax Dominator which is 1 in 20" twist, it seems that a lot of the Chinese airguns use the slower twist rate like that which is just great for shooting most all pellets and not really requiring a choked barrel either for good accuracy.  It looks like I won't be getting the M10 on ebay after all because of purchasing this gun because even though it's a gun I've wanted for a long time I don't really need one.  Ebay has them for $299 shipped right now which is one heck of a deal for an M10.
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 16, 2019, 10:46:30 AM
Billy,
I'm in for a wood version plenum. Will help with any measurements or R&D that I can. Looks a lot better since you angled the edge. Snuck in a wood parts gun also, going to play with the stock if it's in one peice. He, he.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 16, 2019, 10:50:42 AM
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l likely be offering them (among other parts) in a within stock configuration for those interested in extended shot counts and or increased power over the dismally small factory part.

I would be interested in one for increased power.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 10:51:52 AM
Hey guys. thought i would add some details about working on these guns.

it has been mentioned before: dont drill to 3/16 to the power wheel. if you did already, expect failure and dont get hit when it blows

do not over tighten the stock screw infront of the handgard. doing so can bulge-in the receiver where the valve sits, will damage rear valve oring and leak during shot cycle.

the solution is to shorten the screw.
since this is a safety concern i thought the infor needs to be shared out here so people will know.
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 16, 2019, 10:54:08 AM
Bill I must say that's a heck of a nice plenum set up you've made there 8)
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 11:00:42 AM
Wayne, i watched that m10 also but its 60fpe for a few shots vs liberty 40fpe for more shots. you went with a good choice especially at 1/3 the price hehe
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 16, 2019, 11:17:21 AM
Duy

Good tip on the screw, going to address that today. Finally getting a decent day here in Missouri and the pellets will fly!  How much of a difference did your valve work make? Can the stock valve be improved by cleaning up the ports and angling them a littlle? Dremel type stuff, or not worth the effort?
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Post by: cosmic on March 16, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
Our friend Duy took pity on me and let me buy one of his valves and he know about my problems with tremors..  So instead of just sending me just the valve he had me send him my receiver.. He installed the valve and assembled it in the receiver  WOW !! What a friend to have... I attempted to open the barrel port... Then he said after he makes up a power adjuster that is safely enlarged it will up the speed more !!
  I assembled the rifle last night and was surprised.. JSB 13.65 monsters went from 890 up to 999 fps !! 15.5 NSA went from the mid 700's to 900 fps !! This is also at the factory regulator setting !!
      He also extended to me, to do some more work on it as far as enlarging the passages..
                               Very great asset to the our forum !!
                                       Thanks again Duy !!
                 Now I wonder what a larger plenum would do....
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 01:42:27 PM
Hey Ray glad to see that result here. i was going to open your receiver ports to .217 to match that exhast port but misplaced the reamer, saw the power gain and stopped there. my offer to open it up is still good as long as you still have that liberty. will send that power wheel Monday for sure.

i reversed everything back to oem except for hammer shims. i tested 14.3 grains at 1109fps with wheel and barrel port at .217 but receiver port at 3/16. i estimated the power loss due to .177 port for nsa 15.5g to be at around 950fps. ts not that hard to get closer to that Ray.

 






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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 04:04:18 PM
Duy

Good tip on the screw, going to address that today. Finally getting a decent day here in Missouri and the pellets will fly!  How much of a difference did your valve work make? Can the stock valve be improved by cleaning up the ports and angling them a littlle? Dremel type stuff, or not worth the effort?

my valve will not improve the .22 in my limited testing. but if you have a bigger plenum, that will change. the 3/16 port and stock valve is good for .22. the oem valve can be improved by using dremel, its very easy to work with. try it
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Post by: Wheelman on March 16, 2019, 05:02:11 PM
do not over tighten the stock screw infront of the handgard. doing so can bulge-in the receiver where the valve sits, will damage rear valve oring and leak during shot cycle.

the solution is to shorten the screw.
since this is a safety concern i thought the infor needs to be shared out here so people will know.
Does this apply to wood and synthetic stocks?

Wheelman
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 05:59:22 PM
i have synthetic. check yours, if the screw hits bottom but the stock have movement, means you need to shorten it.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on March 16, 2019, 06:07:36 PM
Another Custom stock for the ATI Nova Liberty.
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Post by: RDB on March 16, 2019, 07:11:33 PM
Very nice work Stephen!
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Post by: cosmic on March 16, 2019, 07:30:32 PM
Really a beauty Steve !!
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 16, 2019, 08:37:17 PM
Stephen

THAT'S AWESOME DUDE!!!    Holy Cow, have you been reading my mail?   That's perfect!   I love it !!!
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 16, 2019, 08:54:20 PM
Another Custom stock for the ATI Nova Liberty.
😳😳😳wow!
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 16, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Hey Ray glad to see that result here. i was going to open your receiver ports to .217 to match that exhast port but misplaced the reamer, saw the power gain and stopped there. my offer to open it up is still good as long as you still have that liberty. will send that power wheel Monday for sure.

i reversed everything back to oem except for hammer shims. i tested 14.3 grains at 1109fps with wheel and barrel port at .217 but receiver port at 3/16. i estimated the power loss due to .177 port for nsa 15.5g to be at around 950fps. ts not that hard to get closer to that Ray.
Duy
I too have a 177 would like to shoot the nsa 15.5g slugs I’m currently overseas will be home April 8 bought the Liberty back in December and haven’t shot it yet. Want to shoot slugs as I already have ordered the slugs. What do I need to do to get to shoot 950? Thanks
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 16, 2019, 10:50:08 PM
Duy
I too have a 177 would like to shoot the nsa 15.5g slugs I’m currently overseas will be home April 8 bought the Liberty back in December and haven’t shot it yet. Want to shoot slugs as I already have ordered the slugs. What do I need to do to get to shoot 950? Thanks

barrel port .150x.188. power wheel port .188. exhaust port enlarged. look at oem valve...ignore the cross trench, the exhaust channel is occuppied most by the valve pin. needs work. angle it and everything.

oem valve will not give much duration compared to the one i made. so you need to up the pressure of the reg and shim the hammer spring. or make a heavy hammer.

get on Billys list. that will be one of must items for power
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Post by: SoCalZac on March 17, 2019, 12:40:18 AM
Put me on the list for a plenum.  ;D ;D
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 17, 2019, 01:25:24 AM
Duy
I too have a 177 would like to shoot the nsa 15.5g slugs I’m currently overseas will be home April 8 bought the Liberty back in December and haven’t shot it yet. Want to shoot slugs as I already have ordered the slugs. What do I need to do to get to shoot 950? Thanks

barrel port .150x.188. power wheel port .188. exhaust port enlarged. look at oem valve...ignore the cross trench, the exhaust channel is occuppied most by the valve pin. needs work. angle it and everything.

oem valve will not give much duration compared to the one i made. so you need to up the pressure of the reg and shim the hammer spring. or make a heavy hammer.

get on Billys list. that will be one of must items for power
Billy’s list? What drill size?
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 17, 2019, 01:37:42 AM
I’m down for one😎

i think you would be second on Billy Rohm's list for plenum if hes keeping one. its 3/16

Billy my friend dont let me beat you to it brother lol. i have a piece of 1144 already profiled. just needs to decide oem metric or 1/2-20
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Post by: Rohmpm on March 17, 2019, 02:10:14 AM
I’m down for one😎

i think you would be second on Billy Rohm's list for plenum if hes keeping one. its 3/16

Billy my friend dont let me beat you to it brother lol. i have a piece of 1144 already profiled. just needs to decide oem metric or 1/2-20


Lol, go for it. It's not a profit center for me and more than one tester will give us more data. On the prototype pictured, I tapped the top of the plenum 10x1.25 mm.  I machined most of the head off of a grade 12.9 10x1.25 bolt, drilled it .205 radiused both ends and screwed it through the plenum from the inside to attach the plenum to the gun. The loss of volume is negigible. When I'm done evaluating the 10mm thread, It will be easy to retrofit it to 1/2-20 without having to remake it, only having to mod the reciever. I have, in fact, considered making them all 1/2-20 and providing a 1/2-20 or a 1/2-20 necked to 10x1.25 adapter for economy of parts. Some may choose to go to 1/2-20 after initially going 10mm for the larger transfer/greater tuning ability it might offer. You should do the same and we can compare notes. If not, I'll let you know as soon as It's ready!
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 17, 2019, 03:16:31 AM
I’m down for one😎


i think you would be second on Billy Rohm's list for plenum if hes keeping one. its 3/16

Billy my friend dont let me beat you to it brother lol. i have a piece of 1144 already profiled. just needs to decide oem metric or 1/2-20


Lol, go for it. It's not a profit center for me and more than one tester will give us more data. On the prototype pictured, I tapped the top of the plenum 10x1.25 mm.  I machined most of the head off of a grade 12.9 10x1.25 bolt, drilled it .205 radiused both ends and screwed it through the plenum from the inside to attach the plenum to the gun. The loss of volume is negigible. When I'm done evaluating the 10mm thread, It will be easy to retrofit it to 1/2-20 without having to remake it, only having to mod the reciever. I have, in fact, considered making them all 1/2-20 and providing a 1/2-20 or a 1/2-20 necked to 10x1.25 adapter for economy of parts. Some may choose to go to 1/2-20 after initially going 10mm for the larger transfer/greater tuning ability it might offer. You should do the same and we can compare notes. If not, I'll let you know as soon as It's ready!
Sounds good to me👍🏾😎 let me know how much and can pp you👌🏾
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Post by: AVS Stephen on March 17, 2019, 08:25:11 AM
Stephen

THAT'S AWESOME DUDE!!!    Holy Cow, have you been reading my mail?   That's perfect!   I love it !!!

Thanks. at first I was confused thinking you sent me some e-mail and felt bad I might have ignored you. sorry I'm a little slow
and finally got the joke. it's a bit heavy at 4 lb 2 oz I'm going to shave off some more weight in the future. my first stock is 3 lb 11 oz

Thank you Rod, Ray and Ken I'm going to make one more in the sporter style.
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on March 17, 2019, 12:42:18 PM
Stephen

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Post by: darkcharisma on March 17, 2019, 03:14:32 PM
Lol Billy, i was just trying to push ya a little faster on the project. i know you have cnc  programmed ready to go. thats a good way to mount a plenum without cutting a thread. i was also thinking of an adapter type.

if you thread m10x1.25 on one end and 1/2-20 on the other end of the plenum. you can make a double ended male adapter with m10x1.25 and 1/2-20 on the other. the end user can the  use oem threads now and 1/2-20 later when he/she can mod the receiver later. of course there needs to be plugs and adapter to the nanometer.

just my opinion. whoever is beta testing should have a chronograph and heavy pellets (ideally). a+ if has a range and time...i have both chrono and 36 grains pellets in .22 but no range and time.

Billy, can you actually put us in on the list? i know it will not bring income but for our hobby's sake.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on March 18, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
Stephen

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Thank you Mike!
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Post by: TheSaint on March 18, 2019, 09:34:32 PM
I'm one of Billy's test-mules. I've got three chrony's, 1500+ acres of land, plenty of time (assuming weather cooperates here in  southern Wisconsin)and a $150.00 worth of every weight and brand of pellet I could think of headed my way from PA.

Just waiting for the plenum. Billy's in the motorcycle biz, (like myself, but I'm semi-retired at this point) and this time of year is busy. When he's not actually paying bills and has time to ship me a plenum, I'll start shooting, charting and reporting back.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 18, 2019, 10:54:52 PM
I'm one of Billy's test-mules. I've got three chrony's, 1500+ acres of land, plenty of time (assuming weather cooperates here in  southern Wisconsin)and a $150.00 worth of every weight and brand of pellet I could think of headed my way from PA.

Just waiting for the plenum. Billy's in the motorcycle biz, (like myself, but I'm semi-retired at this point) and this time of year is busy. When he's not actually paying bills and has time to ship me a plenum, I'll start shooting, charting and reporting back.

most excellent! cant wait to hear the results. i am very interested in what the plenum will do to the 34 grains. if you dont mind i can send ya my valve so you can compare both factory and custom speeds.
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Post by: Rohmpm on March 19, 2019, 12:30:49 AM
I'm one of Billy's test-mules. I've got three chrony's, 1500+ acres of land, plenty of time (assuming weather cooperates here in  southern Wisconsin)and a $150.00 worth of every weight and brand of pellet I could think of headed my way from PA.

Just waiting for the plenum. Billy's in the motorcycle biz, (like myself, but I'm semi-retired at this point) and this time of year is busy. When he's not actually paying bills and has time to ship me a plenum, I'll start shooting, charting and reporting back.

most excellent! cant wait to hear the results. i am very interested in what the plenum will do to the 34 grains. if you dont mind i can send ya my valve so you can compare both factory and custom speeds.

Within days!!
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Post by: TheSaint on March 19, 2019, 01:06:41 AM
No rush, Billy. Just got the coachwork for my last two Winter resto's back from paint (finally.....Painters, Oy Vey!). So don't kill yourself.

Btw, the titanium power adjuster came today. Very nice work, my friend  ;D. Thanks!
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Post by: dpittman on March 19, 2019, 08:18:42 AM
If I drill out only the barrel port will velocity increase or decrease. What is the stock barrel port size and what is the safest size to drill to. I have .22 cal
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 19, 2019, 10:23:54 AM
If I drill out only the barrel port will velocity increase or decrease. What is the stock barrel port size and what is the safest size to drill to. I have .22 cal

I only opened the barrel port to 0.176" and did see a power increase.  I believe Stephen only opened the barrel port on his 2nd Liberty.   Low hanging fruit.
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Post by: SoCalZac on March 19, 2019, 11:13:48 AM
If I drill out only the barrel port will velocity increase or decrease. What is the stock barrel port size and what is the safest size to drill to. I have .22 cal

I drilled my barrel port to 11/64” added 1 shim to the hammer spring and turned the regulator up an eighth of a turn and saw a 100fps increase. I recommend doing it as it is easy and you will see velocity increase for sure.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on March 19, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours.   Last night,  I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi.  This morning it was down to 2900 psi.

What should be my next course of action?  Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.


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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 19, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
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So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours.   Last night,  I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi.  This morning it was down to 2900 psi.

What should be my next course of action?  Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.

My replacement Liberty which I now call Liberty2 had a similar leak and a missing fill probe. None too happy to say the least.
But I decided to keep it rather than send it back because it was a better shooter than Liberty1 and the fit & finish was easy on the eyes.
Using some leak detector I bought, which worked better than soap & water and spit, was made it easier to use and find small leaks. Learned this from my experience from Liberty1.
I found the leak on the airtube near the breach end. The leak was due to a small nick in one of the orings. Replaced it and has been leak free.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 19, 2019, 03:30:01 PM
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours.   Last night,  I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi.  This morning it was down to 2900 psi.

What should be my next course of action?  Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.

Why dont you buy your own Liberty and fix your cousins leak with the leak detector as in the previous post?
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 19, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on March 19, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours.   Last night,  I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi.  This morning it was down to 2900 psi.

What should be my next course of action?  Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.

Why dont you buy your own Liberty and fix your cousins leak with the leak detector as in the previous post?

Hey All, I too have a very slow leak on my 2nd Liberty. I removed it from the stock and turned it upside down. using soapy water, I FOUND IT! It's coming from the 6K burst disc. I'm going to use some Teflon tape and see if that fixes the leak. I will also check for more leaks.
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Post by: Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) on March 19, 2019, 07:23:45 PM
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.

It's an odd size and doesn't fit anything else I have.  You may want to call ATI and see if they can order one for you.  I don't know if it's the same probe used on the Freedom, if so, PA may be able to get one also.  Let us know what you find out.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on March 19, 2019, 07:26:27 PM
So my cousin's two week old Liberty has already developed a slow leak. It seems to leak approximately 100 psi every 12-15 hours.   Last night,  I tightened the bleed screw while the manometer was sitting around 3000 psi.  This morning it was down to 2900 psi.

What should be my next course of action?  Send it back? Lol...we've been enjoying the *(&^ out of this gun.

Why dont you buy your own Liberty and fix your cousins leak with the leak detector as in the previous post?
Better yet send it back so I can buy it and fix the leak😎🤓
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Post by: cosmic on March 19, 2019, 07:42:24 PM
Definitely need one for my .177 that  darkcharisma is working on for me...
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Post by: Back_Roads on March 19, 2019, 07:46:58 PM
 It is the same probe as the Senica Aspen.
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Post by: Bob Pratl on March 19, 2019, 08:17:05 PM
A photo and the probes dimensions would be most helpful in order to fabricate one.
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 19, 2019, 09:27:28 PM
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.


Wayne, If you ran out of options such as calling ATI and ordering from PA. I am more than willing to turn and make one for you out of o1 steel. you just need to pay for shipping.
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Post by: kgatwork on March 20, 2019, 12:12:51 AM
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.

Gamo Urban Probe works great!
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Post by: RDB on March 20, 2019, 01:19:03 AM
My liberty came this morning but I only got just the rifle with that $107.50 deal they had, whats a good source for a probe for these guns.


I swore i read somewhere in this thread the Urban fill probe works on the liberty.
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Post by: Wayne52 on March 20, 2019, 01:49:40 AM
Rod I ordered a BSA fill probe that's also suppose to work, it's got the foster connect so I won't need an adapter.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 20, 2019, 09:10:02 AM
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Gamo Urban Probe works great!

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I swore i read somewhere in this thread the Urban fill probe works on the liberty.

My replacement Liberty2, which I called it, also came without a probe which makes it virtually useless a pcp air rifle. On recommendation I was told that a BSA/Urban probe would work until I got mine from ATI, which took about what felt like a month but think it was like two week +-.
It didn't quite work because the probe was too long. The diameter was ok. I was able to jeary rig-it by adding two orings on the probe itself to mark how far to insert the probe into fill the tube. Not something I recommend though but used it to at least check to make sure it would not leak air like my Liberty1.

This is the one I ordered:BSA GAMO DYNAMAX SCORPION HORNET ULTRA R10 1/8 BSP STAINLESS FILL PROBE & SEALS.

Maybe it was the wrong one?



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Post by: Wayne52 on March 20, 2019, 09:15:52 AM
Matt when I get the probe I'll measure the depth of the orifice of the hole in the hole in the gun and go from there.  My brother did the same thing with a Varmint using a long probe, just added a sleeve to restrict the depth of the probe after it was inserted.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 20, 2019, 09:19:49 AM
Matt when I get the probe I'll measure the depth of the orifice of the hole in the hole in the gun and go from there.  My brother did the same thing with a Varmint using a long probe, just added a sleeve to restrict the depth of the probe after it was inserted.

Yep essentially what I did but used orings.
I added "not recommended" because folks where encountering instances where the hose would kick back if the probe was not seated properly. Just a caution.
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Post by: tracker1955 on March 20, 2019, 02:44:35 PM
Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;D
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Post by: Bob Pratl on March 20, 2019, 04:57:49 PM
Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;D
What lube did you use and how did you apply it?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on March 20, 2019, 05:34:02 PM
Well I don't post much since mine is a .177, but a bit of information.. The first 6" of the barrel on mine was super tight..  Check yours out..Started at 4.52 and then chambered and removed.. 4.35 as close as I can measure ... Still working the barrel to help that.. Try pushing a pellet through and feel where it gets easier at.. Mark that place on your cleaning tool of your choice and work that area over with some compound.. ( JB or fine lapping compound )
   I heard they were tight but mine seems waaaaaaaay tight...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on March 20, 2019, 08:36:44 PM
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.

Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.

Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 20, 2019, 10:15:05 PM
Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;D
What lube did you use and how did you apply it?
I used an empty pellet tin with foam in the bottom filled with aprox 100 pellets and spayed them with Blaster silicone spray from Home Depot, added the lid and rolled and flipped the can for a few minutes to spread the lube and let foam pull off any excess. Magazines were loaded with the tumbled pellets that now had a nice film on them and shot normally. I have a spray bottle of Napiers coming from Amazon but it hasn't shown up yet. I may not have ordered it if I'd tried the Blaster first.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 20, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.

Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.

Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
Thanks for the heads up👍🏾 Don’t like wandering regulator pressures either😎 use their bellville washers in my Frankenstein 2240 gun and works great
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 20, 2019, 10:18:23 PM
Hi guys, after about a week of testing with various pellets I can say with confidence that the Liberty likes lubed pellets. Although the Liberty wasn't pellet picky out of the box it did prefer certain pellets over others for max accuracy. Although my Liberty at this time is giving me the best groups with JSB 15.89's, even the cheap CPD's are grouping better than they ever did pre-lube. I can't say yet at this time if it will prolong the time between needed cleanings, but it has made a definate improvement in group sizes of pellets that didn't make the initial cut. I was getting great enjoyment dancing a small poly pill bottle around at 55 yards using the cheap $8.00 per tin Crosman premier dome untra magnums I'd picked up at Tractor Supply. ;D
What lube did you use and how did you apply it?
I used an empty pellet tin with foam in the bottom filled with aprox 100 pellets and spayed them with Blaster silicone spray from Home Depot, added the lid and rolled and flipped the can for a few minutes to spread the lube and let foam pull off any excess. Magazines were loaded with the tumbled pellets that now had a nice film on them and shot normally. I have a spray bottle of Napiers coming from Amazon but it hasn't shown up yet. I may not have ordered it if I'd tried the Blaster first.
Pic of the blaster can
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 20, 2019, 10:28:56 PM
Was going to post before but am waiting for the picture from my phone to show up in my email where I can save it to my pictures, not sure why it's taking so long to show up in Gmail.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 20, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
I use my phone because I can take the picture and size it all in one step then send to my mail, have sent it three times and none of them have shown up yet. >:(
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on March 20, 2019, 10:47:23 PM
Was it JB Blaster?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 20, 2019, 11:27:00 PM
Yep, that's it, white and yellow can.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: stretch on March 21, 2019, 07:23:28 AM
This one?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 21, 2019, 07:37:04 AM
This one?
Well I have supertech silicone spray from Wally World 😎
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 21, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.

Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.

Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot

Thx, added them to my cart for the next MC order.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 21, 2019, 08:15:32 AM
How are your regs working out? I wasn't overly impressed the way mine was performing. Eve adjusted to the knee it seemed to wander quite a bit.

Ordered some Bellevilles from McMaster Carr and from the 30 or so pellets I shot adjusting it back to the knee. It's working much better. Let it set for 3 hours and its still right on the money. Hate having to wast a shot to even everything up. Not good for hunting situations. I did polish the brass piston rod and sand the seat on a flat surface before hand. But the washers have seemed to do the trick. They are a bit taller than the stock ones, so they do have more range of motion. Backed the reg off 3 dots to get where i previously was.

Part #96445k215 if anyone want to give them a shot
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 21, 2019, 08:34:42 AM
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?

Schematics say 24. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on March 21, 2019, 10:43:26 AM
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?

Schematics say 24.

Correct. 8 nested stacks of 3.

Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on March 21, 2019, 11:45:16 AM
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?

Schematics say 24.

Correct. 8 nested stacks of 3.

Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?


Here you go- https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 21, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?

Someone put it on a download server.  It is somewhere in this long topic thread.  I'm guessing around page 24-25.  If you cant find it, please IM me your email address.  It is in Microsoft Excel.  I believe someone also converted it to PDF, but I didn't download it. 

PS: Thx Ray for reposting link.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on March 21, 2019, 11:54:14 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 21, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
How many of the bellville washers are in the regulator?

Schematics say 24.

Correct. 8 nested stacks of 3.

Fuzzy, where could I find a copy of the schematics?


Here you go- https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
Ray check your pm thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 21, 2019, 05:10:26 PM
So did I read it right that rohmpm will be offering a plenum for these. That would be awesome as the stock plenum is pretty sorry I think. So anyone have a guess to the power and shot count with his plenum and a drilled barrel port.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on March 21, 2019, 05:28:40 PM
Usually 1/2 to 1 cc per ft lbs.. I pm'd him and he said 25 cc...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 21, 2019, 05:50:54 PM
So did I read it right that rohmpm will be offering a plenum for these. That would be awesome as the stock plenum is pretty sorry I think. So anyone have a guess to the power and shot count with his plenum and a drilled barrel port.

If the stock gun is already making 45-50fpe with its limited plenum at around 2000psi according to Stephen. the new plenum will certainly reach 55-60fpe is my guesstimate. shotcount will always be less once you choose power. i would be happy if it can yield 30 shots at that power level. which is also my guestimate
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 21, 2019, 08:06:00 PM
Stretch, suspect it's the same but label is a different color. This is mine, the picture finally came through to gmail.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on March 21, 2019, 08:37:36 PM
Stretch, suspect it's the same but label is a different color. This is mine, the picture finally came through to gmail.

This is good stuff, but when I ran out I got some CRC Extreme Duty Silicone Lubricant and it seems to be even better.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 21, 2019, 10:33:48 PM
I think mine is at:
14.3 - 920
18.1 - 840
21.1 - 760
Would like to get the 21.1 h&n over 800.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on March 21, 2019, 10:50:01 PM
I think mine is at:
14.3 - 920
18.1 - 840
21.1 - 760
Would like to get the 21.1 h&n over 800.

Have you drilled the barrel port out yet? If not I would do that along with turning your reg up about an 8th of a turn and shim the hammer spring with one washer. I gained about 100fps just doing that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 22, 2019, 11:43:39 AM
I should be receiving two of return guns today, one wood and another plastic. Takes a while to get to taxifornia. I'll be back on the ball making shorter plenum that will fit within the lines of the stock(s)  trading volume for cosmetics.  It is easy to fit in the plastic, the wood will take some work by the owner.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 22, 2019, 12:03:58 PM
I'm trying to avoid a higher reg pressure because I hand pump. How do they get the power that they do with a small plenum. Anyone know what the plenum volume is. I thought I read somewhere 5 to 6 cc's but that seems too small for the power.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on March 22, 2019, 01:26:32 PM
I don't care it sticks out the stock (longer)..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 22, 2019, 01:36:05 PM
I don't care it sticks out the stock (longer)..

Same here...i dont care if its 1 foot long sticking out the stock.  ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 23, 2019, 08:17:32 PM
Been waiting all day for a plastic and a wood to show. Shoulda been here today at the latest.....maybe weather/flood delayed.
Just screwing off here today....waiting, so I shot a few across the chrono to see some effect of the plenum at about 25cc.

3500 psi fill
regulator at 1600(110 bar)
ports drilled  .187 no other power mods.
No hammer spring washers, actually faced off .006 less than original
Barracuda match 21.14
First shot reg crept to 1800
877
Next 20 at 834 +-5
for 32.6 ft lbs.
Looks like the plenum  will provide positive results.
"dang", wish unmodified guns would arrive so I can start on an unmodified gun and finish fitment......be patient, lol.


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 23, 2019, 10:29:37 PM
so I shot a few across the chrono to see some effect of the plenum at about 25cc.

3500 psi fill
regulator at 1600(110 bar)
ports drilled  .187 no other power mods.
No hammerspring washers, actually faced off .006 less than original
Barracuda match 21.14
First shot reg crept to 1800
877
Next 20 at 834 +-5
for 32.6 ft lbs.
Looks like the plenum  will provide positive, results.

Being able to drop it to 1600 and still get 30+ fpe is great! 

I assume after 20 shots, you still had plenty of air left.  ;)

 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 23, 2019, 11:37:53 PM
Yes, I'm pleased, but remember the ports were drilled to .187, 3/16 in. Started at 3500, finished a bit under 3000. 
I'm expecting it to be capable of big power when tuned to do so.  pics of starting, ending and plenum pressure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 23, 2019, 11:42:27 PM
plenum guage.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 23, 2019, 11:43:00 PM
Billy. ya need to show us what the plenum can do by maxing out the power. if the bigger plenum is on there. might as well set the reg at 2000psi, shimm the hammer spring and let 'er rip.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 23, 2019, 11:53:16 PM
plenum guage.
Billy
How can we get one of them plenum?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 24, 2019, 12:55:23 AM
Plenums will be available soon. I do things right, not necessarily fast. There is a lot to consider, I do not want to overlook anything.

As far as powering it up and seeing what she'll do. Tuesday....I'll see what it does with the 10mm thread, .205 port. I'll go to 1/2x20 with a .3 port if it is inadequate for the insane!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on March 24, 2019, 01:06:24 AM
Plenums will be available soon. I do thing right, no necessarily fast. There is a lot to consider, I do not want to overlook anything.

As far as powering it up and seeing what she'll do. Tuesday....I'll see what it does with the 10mm thread, .205 port. I'll go to 1/2x20 with a .3 port if it is inadequate for the insane!!
Ready to buy one Billy😎👍🏾
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 24, 2019, 01:30:35 AM
sounds like a good plan Billy.
i tried using a 8.9 grade m10 bolt, it fits but sloppy so i went and bought adjustable die, should work fine if i go slow. still too many projects too little time...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 24, 2019, 09:17:01 AM
Mine appears to have a leak. 1000 psi over 2 days. Not sure what to do. Wait for larger plenum tear down and reseal. Don't really wang to mess around with sending back.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on March 24, 2019, 10:06:41 AM
Pins and needles
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 24, 2019, 11:07:41 AM
With this plenum, time for someone to convert to a 25 cal!   :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on March 24, 2019, 11:17:24 AM
 I just saw PA has the Aspen listed in .25 with 800 FPS claim  :-\
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on March 24, 2019, 12:22:53 PM
Mine appears to have a leak. 1000 psi over 2 days. Not sure what to do. Wait for larger plenum tear down and reseal. Don't really wang to mess around with sending back.

Hey Dpittman, 2 of my 3 guns have a slow leak. I have torn down one of the guns to change all the orings as I can detect where the leak is coming from. So, looking at the list of orings needed for this gun I noticed that the manual uses the cross section by the outter diameter in MM. Every oring manufacturer uses the CS x inner Diameter. So, I'm measuring every oring so far the manual has the air tube oring with outter diameters. Be careful if you order orings that you actually measure the o ring.

Also, the pellet probe oring is wrong. The outer diameter is 1.5x4(inner diameter) not 1.5x 7(outer diameter)
The transfer port oring the same thing 7mm outer diameter.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 24, 2019, 01:13:54 PM
Stephen,

I have a few bags of O-rings that are too large, based on inner diameter!   :o

You would do all us NV owners a big favor with all the correct material/sizes/dur, and where you were able to obtain them. 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 24, 2019, 01:27:44 PM
I just saw PA has the Aspen listed in .25 with 800 FPS claim  :-\



Wonder if they are going to have replacement parts available......25 conversion would be easy.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 24, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 24, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.


It will be more than what you can get with a 22 barrel. 


PS: You would be able to make mags from Mrod ones, like I did for the 25 cal fortitude.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 24, 2019, 03:49:11 PM
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.

It will be more than what you can get with a 22 barrel. 


PS: You would be able to make mags from Mrod ones, like I did for the 25 cal fortitude.

did you mill the fortitude receiver?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 24, 2019, 04:01:01 PM
Probe and barrel swap. fpe should be the same if not more due to the bigger bore.

It will be more than what you can get with a 22 barrel. 


PS: You would be able to make mags from Mrod ones, like I did for the 25 cal fortitude.

did you mill the fortitude receiver?


No, made the mag as thin as the 22 mag.  It will still fit the 34g JSB's.


See posts 51 & 56: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152837.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152837.40)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 24, 2019, 05:44:07 PM
That’s a great way to do it. Since I have a mill I just don’t think of it that way anymore. Well, I will still mill my receiver to accept more unmodded mags and able to go with longer pellets like poly mags and my own 46 grains in .25 cal which is .425 long.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 24, 2019, 06:04:34 PM
I tried downloading one of the manuals that someone posted in this thread but it didn't work
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 24, 2019, 06:06:35 PM
I tried downloading one of the manuals that someone posted in this thread but it didn't work


I have the MS Excel version.  If you want me to email it, send address in IM.


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on March 24, 2019, 06:25:50 PM
I just saw PA has the Aspen listed in .25 with 800 FPS claim  :-\

BB pellerier was't to impressed with it and IDK if was just his gun or not but accuracy didn't seem that good. He seems to think the aspen/freedom are best suited for .22

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/01/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-1/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/01/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-1/)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-2/)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-3/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-3/)
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-4/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2019/02/air-venturi-seneca-aspen-25-caliber-precharged-pneumatic-air-rifle-part-4/)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on March 24, 2019, 08:47:31 PM
I tried downloading one of the manuals that someone posted in this thread but it didn't work
Wayne,
This is a link to my dropbox, I have a PDF version.  Give it a try.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/wb1ef7kpzs2pc9h/Assembly%C2%A0Instructions%C2%A0For%C2%A0HP-P1000W_HP-P900W.pdf?dl=0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 25, 2019, 01:29:55 AM
That worked great Ray, that's a really good manual too !!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on March 25, 2019, 05:56:46 AM
anyone has a manual like that to the Nova freedom or dissembly videos? i would love to mnow how similar they are compared when gutted to the core.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on March 25, 2019, 07:28:42 AM
That worked great Ray, that's a really good manual too !!!
I wish that all AG manuals and parts lists where as concise and detailed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 25, 2019, 10:02:37 AM
Alright guys, I'm happy to report that the "returned, defective, malfunctioning" $100 gun I got from ATI is extremely accurate.  So, I put it in my wood stock.  Here is a 10 shot group at 52 yards.   I'm using H&N Barracuda Match 21.13 grain pellets.  Only thing I've done to the gun is turn the regulator disk 3/8 of a turn, and I added two shims to the hammer spring.  I haven't chrony'd it yet tho, but I will soon.  I'm probably gonna leave it just like this because it is shooting extremely well.  I'd love to know why someone returned this gun ! 

cheers
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: DRose on March 25, 2019, 10:14:11 AM
Wow, that group is exceptional.
Got a Freedom $100 special coming this week. I hope it functions. Dave
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 25, 2019, 10:33:53 AM
Hello everybody,

I have a quick question for you all. After adding the scope to the rifle I notice that the stock looks like designed around the open sights, with the scope in, when I aim, I'm using the cheek piece more like a chin piece, because I have to raise the head a lot. I notice this while mounting the scope yesterday, with the open sight I don't recall this awkward feeling. Do you have the same experience? Have you done anything about it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 25, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
Hello everybody,

I have a quick question for you all. After adding the scope to the rifle I notice that the stock looks like designed around the open sights, with the scope in, when I aim, I'm using the cheek piece more like a chin piece, because I have to raise the head a lot. I notice this while mounting the scope yesterday, with the open sight I don't recall this awkward feeling. Do you have the same experience? Have you done anything about it?

Thanks!

You are correct, the stock appears to have been designed for the iron sights, and not a scope.  I added a 1/4" neoprene pad, but, it still is not quite enough with medium rings. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 25, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
I put one of the beartooth comb raisers on mine. Works well but is not pretty.  Looked into some kydex risers but required drilling .250 holes in stock. Not ready to do that yet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 25, 2019, 11:50:26 AM
I put one of the beartooth comb raisers on mine. Works well but is not pretty.  Looked into some kydex risers but required drilling .250 holes in stock. Not ready to do that yet.

Can you share some pictures? I think I won't care if it's pretty or not....
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 25, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
Wow, that group is exceptional.
Got a Freedom $100 special coming this week. I hope it functions. Dave

I also got a $100 nova freedom.  I've been wanting one for a while, but $400 was a bit high for me.  So far, it shoots.  I still have to shoot it a LOT more to determine accuracy.  It also somewhat holds air.  I think that it lost a 100psi or so overnight, so, I'm not sure if that is normal or not, but when I'm shooting it, i'll take 5 shots, then pump it about 3 pumps per shot, and keep shooting.  it pumps back up to whatever I keep it at.. and stays there.   again, I'm not sure why someone returned the gun.  I figure for $100, what the *(&^, if it dont work, I can probably fix it, but so far it seems to be working.... but I need a good bit more time with it.  I guess I got lucky with both "returned" guns.

cheers
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: DRose on March 25, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
Orion, I have the same problem trying to mount the scope as low as possible to use the cheek piece. Best compromise is a Hammers 3x9-32 scope with medium mounts. The shroud is high to the receiver which makes mounting a scope any lower difficult. Beartooth risers work well, looking for a cheaper solution. Dave
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 25, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
I think that the open sights that come with these guns really look nice and if they work good I'm going to use them rather than a scope because I'm not a paper puncher to begin with and will basically use it for hunting red squirrels this summer plus it has the power for an occasional Ghog when I happen upon one.  I'll try mounting a scope on it and if it seems ok I'll try it, I've got all the different height's to try it with.  From what I've been reading these guns are plenty powerful enough from the box to sling the heavier pellets good and being they're a slower twist and unchoked I have a feeling they'll shoot my 23 grainers good.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 25, 2019, 01:13:00 PM
Sorry am on my phone, but look up Goda grip on YouTube, they make some nice peel and stick comb risers in different heights.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 25, 2019, 02:36:27 PM
Just weighed stock off of gun (wood) 3 lb 5 oz. Pretty heavy.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 25, 2019, 02:45:32 PM
Orion, after seeing the finish on your gun you may not want to cover that up with somethijnb ugly.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 25, 2019, 03:15:20 PM
Orion, after seeing the finish on your gun you may not want to cover that up with somethijnb ugly.

Yeah, it ended up super nice with the shellac, but yesterday after I scope it I was  :o  :o  :o  I'm evaluating all the options at this point
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Nvreloader on March 25, 2019, 04:16:16 PM
Guys
For adjustable comb height, that is easy on the funds etc.
 
I have heard that using the 2 strap elbow brace without the hole, comes in several sizes, and works very well,
just add a thickness of foam underneath to suit the height that you need, and strap it down.

I have one coming for LL, so I'll find out, as I need more comb height also.

HTH's,

Tia,
Don
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wheelman on March 25, 2019, 09:14:18 PM
Mine appears to have a leak. 1000 psi over 2 days. Not sure what to do. Wait for larger plenum tear down and reseal. Don't really wang to mess around with sending back.

Hey Dpittman, 2 of my 3 guns have a slow leak. I have torn down one of the guns to change all the orings as I can detect where the leak is coming from. So, looking at the list of orings needed for this gun I noticed that the manual uses the cross section by the outter diameter in MM. Every oring manufacturer uses the CS x inner Diameter. So, I'm measuring every oring so far the manual has the air tube oring with outter diameters. Be careful if you order orings that you actually measure the o ring.

Also, the pellet probe oring is wrong. The outer diameter is 1.5x4(inner diameter) not 1.5x 7(outer diameter)
The transfer port oring the same thing 7mm outer diameter.
Mine has been doing the same thing, takes about 1.5 weeks to leak down from 3k psi to 2k psi.
I took the action out of the stock today and used some bubble juice to find the leak, it was the o-ring at the receiver end of the air tube.  I lubed it up with some silicon oil and put it back together, hopefully that fixed it.

Wheelman
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Pursang on March 25, 2019, 09:23:49 PM
Just weighed stock off of gun (wood) 3 lb 5 oz. Pretty heavy.

I thought it was pretty heavy when I removed it from rifle.  I even thought about getting a long drill bit, and drilling a few holes from the butt. I figured I would probably screw up and run a drill bit out the side if the stock, so I didn't. Probably wouldn't make much difference anyway.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 26, 2019, 02:27:07 PM
I sure would like to have a breakdown view of the Nova Freedom.  I dont know if this is normal, but mine is doing something kinda strange.  I can pump it up to 3000+ psi and it will shoot 6 or 7 shots and then go completely down to ZERO.  So I paid a little closer attention to it and it seems that once it gets down to below 2000 psi, maybe nearer to 1000psi, the next shot will dump it down to absolute zero pressure !!!  is that normal ?  maybe this is why the gun was returned?  its funny tho, because it will lose only about 100psi overnight, which I figure isn't all that bad.

Also, forgive me if this has been addressed already, but does anyone know what fill probe will work with the freedom?  I didn't get one with my returned gun.  Does any available probe work, and if so, can someone give me a link to one ?  maybe on ebay or aliexpress? 

I'd really love to tear this gun down and replace any seals and o-rings.. just for piece of mind that I've done all I can to get it to shoot as it should.

Cheers
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 26, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
See post #11 in this thread: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155668.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155668.0) for Freedom schematics.

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Post by: darkcharisma on March 26, 2019, 03:12:22 PM
Thanks for the link Fuzzy.

i think most of the parts will interchange between the two rifles. i personally think the Freedom receiver is better made for regulated bottles. and i am ordering one...why not at $100 haha.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on March 26, 2019, 03:33:06 PM
Took stock off yesterday and as soon as it came off I heard air leaking. I did not hear it when stock was on. Anyhow it was coming out between plenum and block. Took apart and relubed  that oring and the one in the bottom of plenum. Seems to be holding or at least very much slowed down. With a 3400 fill this gun will shoot at least 40-50 shots down to about 2200. Shoots 14.3 cphp at about 915-925 on reg.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 26, 2019, 06:12:01 PM
Bad news today, Fedex lost my guns. They made it to Tracy, ca and are trying to find them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on March 26, 2019, 06:21:24 PM
Bad news today, Fedex lost my guns. They made it to Tracy, ca and are trying to find them.
That's terrible. USPS lost a gun I sold and shipped to the buyer for about 2 weeks. They finally found it and it safely made it to the buyer. I think I was bothered more by it than the buyer.
Good Luck !!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 27, 2019, 11:59:03 AM
Nova Liberty .22 (returned) in wood stock.  3/8 turn on regulator, 2 shims on hammer spring.  havent crony'd it yet.  This is 15 shots at 52 yards and it was windy...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 27, 2019, 12:11:23 PM
Nova Liberty .22 (returned) in wood stock.  3/8 turn on regulator, 2 shims on hammer spring.  havent crony'd it yet.  This is 15 shots at 52 yards and it was windy...

Fantastic grouping!
What is the thickness of the shims you used?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Abefroman on March 27, 2019, 12:36:58 PM
same as Stephen used.  maybe a total of .1 inch.   i.e. two shims at .05 inch each.  just standard, everyday home depot washers.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 27, 2019, 02:55:28 PM
Good news, my plastic and wood guns arrived. Fedex lost them, claimed the label was illegible. I pointed it out to the driver, he  said "hey!". The label was perfect. Fedex the company still doesnt know where they are.
Back to the plenums.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 27, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
On another note, both guns are perfect cosmetically. one probe, one single shot tray, no magazines. Likely robbed for other guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on March 27, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
Let me know Billy when I can get a plenum for my .177.. Duy ( darkcharisma )is working mine right now.. He is trying to get some more speed out of it for the 15.5 NSA's..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 27, 2019, 04:03:56 PM
On another note, both guns are perfect cosmetically. one probe, one single shot tray, no magazines. Likely robbed for other guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 27, 2019, 04:12:55 PM
I just got my BSA probe for mine today, I'll need to put a spacer on it but right now if I just eyeball it I can use it.  It goes in too far the way it is but it's a nice stainless probe too, it was on the pricey side ($26 to my door) though.   I did put 1K in the gun already but I'll exhaust it before I reassemble the gun. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 27, 2019, 04:57:56 PM
Wayne, I think you'll like the rifle after you shoot it, I just wish it was about a pound and a half lighter like my Marauder is now with the JSAR air tube. Was shooting mine quite a bit this morning and noticed a few things I'll share with everyone, I was shooting JSB 18.13's until my 15.89's get here from PA, was using the single shot tray and shooting at 30 yards, accuracy was very good, had lubed the pellets with the Napiers that finally showed up and was very happy with the groups. When I switched and started using my Marauder mags instead of the ss tray my group moved to the right 1/4 to 3/8". Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. Then switched and tried the mag for the Liberty, the group moved 1/8 to 1/4" right again. Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. To be clear here, the pellets still grouped well when using the different mags, they just moved to the right for some reason. Gonna shoot some more and see if this continues to hold true, if so I'll have to adjust if I want to keep using the mags. ???
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Post by: Bob Pratl on March 27, 2019, 04:59:47 PM
I just got my BSA probe for mine today, I'll need to put a spacer on it but right now if I just eyeball it I can use it.  It goes in too far the way it is but it's a nice stainless probe too, it was on the pricey side ($26 to my door) though.   I did put 1K in the gun already but I'll exhaust it before I reassemble the gun. 
Wayne, it looks good and I think that for the price it is worth it because it is SS and has the DIN fitting machined in. The measurement that I used was that the probes fill hole has to be 5/8" from the bottom of the fill port.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on March 27, 2019, 05:19:03 PM
Wayne, I think you'll like the rifle after you shoot it, I just wish it was about a pound and a half lighter like my Marauder is now with the JSAR air tube. Was shooting mine quite a bit this morning and noticed a few things I'll share with everyone, I was shooting JSB 18.13's until my 15.89's get here from PA, was using the single shot tray and shooting at 30 yards, accuracy was very good, had lubed the pellets with the Napiers that finally showed up and was very happy with the groups. When I switched and started using my Marauder mags instead of the ss tray my group moved to the right 1/4 to 3/8". Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. Then switched and tried the mag for the Liberty, the group moved 1/8 to 1/4" right again. Went back to the ss tray and group was dead on again. To be clear here, the pellets still grouped well when using the different mags, they just moved to the right for some reason. Gonna shoot some more and see if this continues to hold true, if so I'll have to adjust if I want to keep using the mags. ???
Tom, that's interesting and strange. The pellets skirt are probably being distorted, do to a slight side pressure, from the magazine. I will have to check this out by doing the same tests.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 27, 2019, 06:23:29 PM
Today was the day to test things, almost dead calm, sunshine, and 70 degrees. 8) Just did the same test over again on the chance it was the shooter, and got the same result. Got a real confidence boost as I was shooting acorns off the manhole cover at the back of my property 55 yards from my window where I sit to shoot. Used my laser range finder on the side of it to verify the distance, only wish I still had my little action camera to set out there for verification. :-\ I picked 15 acorns up off my deck that needs to be blown off, and set them on the lid of the manhole about three inches apart. I missed four times in total to hit all 15 acorns, now if I can only repeat that in May at the paintball shoot at Horseshoe Bend Ak. ::) The only problem is Keith (triggertreat) won't be there to compete against. :( He will be missed this year, just hope he enjoys the wedding his wife is having (making) him attend. :'(
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 28, 2019, 04:54:35 AM
Thanks Tom and Bob !!! If the gun even holds a candle to my Airmax Dominator's accuracy I'll be happy, I think for the first woods walk with it I'll carry it with the open sights.  I just checked the fill pressure on it after putting a meager 1K in it about 15 hours ago and it's holding good at 1K but the true test will be after refilling it to about 3500psi (that's where I plan on filling it to) and then I'll see how it's holding pressure 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on March 28, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
Whooped up on the Nova with a pretty stick yesterday. Quite happy with how it turned out.


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on March 28, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
It looks great RDB! What did you use on it?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 28, 2019, 07:41:03 PM
That looks really sharp, I like the pattern in the grain Ron.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 28, 2019, 07:49:30 PM
I realized tonight that I had not posted any groups from my Liberty yet so I thought I'd shoot some 5 shot groups and post what I'm getting. This is the good, the bad, and the ugly, crosswind tonight blowing 3-5, target at 30 yards, unsorted JSB 18.13's straight from the tin but sprayed with Napiers pellet lube. Nothing cherry picked. Not as tight as yesterday with almost no wind but wanted it to represent real-world examples.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on March 28, 2019, 09:14:55 PM
It looks great RDB! What did you use on it?

Thanks guys.

I stripped it down with intentions of just putting clear on it. But once i finished it was pretty blonde and not much contrast in the grain. Might be birch or the likes.  So i wet it and set it out to dry and raise the grain. I happen to have some ebony stain in the cabinet and put 2 coats on, hitting it with steel wool in between coats. Finished er up with 3 coats of poly.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on March 28, 2019, 10:15:03 PM
RDB,
You have definitely succeeded in lifting the grain and giving it much more contrast. Great job because it looks much better and you made it your own Bro!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on March 28, 2019, 10:43:26 PM
I've posted here about the plenum I have been developing. This post is getting long, I'm starting a new subject specific to the plenum and future Liberty parts.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on March 29, 2019, 12:30:17 AM
Quote
I've posted here about the plenum I have been developing. This post is getting long, I'm starting a new subject specific to the plenum and future Liberty parts.

+1
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on March 30, 2019, 01:47:24 PM
my homemade cheek riser. I did this with memory foam. It's not pretty but boy it's comfortable... I can sleep on there too, I built a pillow  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/H9stum4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1b77hj3.jpg)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: TheSaint on March 31, 2019, 08:04:11 PM
Just for grins, I tried to replicate tracker1955's poi shift with the single shot tray vs mag. With the ATI mags, shooting H&N 18gr Sniper Magnum's, I got about the same 1/4" shift when using the stock mags vs the single shot tray.

The interesting thing is I got zero poi change when using the Gauntlet mags. I have four of them, and found that they all preformed exactly the same. The Gauntlet mags are a tight fit, and snap into place with much more "authority" if that makes any sense.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on March 31, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
wrong thread, sorry!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on March 31, 2019, 09:30:07 PM
I'm glad someone got a similar result to mine, also glad to hear that the gauntlet mags caused no shift. If the Liberty mags cause a 1/4" shift at 30 yards imagine how much more pronounced it would be further away at 50 60 or 70 yards. That and the Marauder mags I was using was even worse.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on March 31, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156504.0;attach=266872;image)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 01, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
Quote
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???

My Liberty1(sent back) and Liberty2, which I have now, both had that date on them which surprised me.
I initially heard that they were manufacturing date but I wonder about that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 01, 2019, 06:33:07 AM
I'm glad someone got a similar result to mine, also glad to hear that the gauntlet mags caused no shift. If the Liberty mags cause a 1/4" shift at 30 yards imagine how much more pronounced it would be further away at 50 60 or 70 yards. That and the Marauder mags I was using was even worse.

Boy I haven’t tested that. I’m shooting with the magazines and I’m having great accuracy at 30 yards. Will test and report back
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on April 01, 2019, 07:31:52 AM
Rod

I really like your stock, how did you strip it down. Did you sand through the finish, or use a chemical stripper?  Was the Poly straight, or a blend of alcohol & olive oil mix?

Thanks
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Post by: Back_Roads on April 01, 2019, 10:01:23 AM
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156504.0;attach=266872;image)
My first one is dated 12- 2017  ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on April 01, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
Does anyone know if the "05-2018" to the right of the "(300 Bar) is the manufacturing date ???
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156504.0;attach=266872;image)
My first one is dated 12- 2017  ???
If I had to guess I’d say you are right
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 01, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
Well I finally got a Full blown chronograph, it is a Caldwell.  The little $28 Chinese one is great for real time measurements but is no substitute for  a full featured unit.
My first attempt at a shot string Friday night was 60 shots and I never pressed start on the app.
This is my next one.  It is my 22 Liberty with JSB 18.13s.  I am trying to tune for Baracudas but I had many more JSBs on hand so that is what I shot for this string.  Ports are opened to almost .180, reg wheel is about 1/2 turn CCW and I have adjustable HST ala Stephen The Banker design, tuned to maybe just below the knee.
The pressure drops about 350 psi for every 10 shots.  Started about 4200 psi,  3,800 - 2,700 seems to bee the sweet spot.  There were 3-4 error shots which I removed so the shot count versus pressure level is not accurate.
BTW put a half dozen 'Cudas over it yesterday below 3,800 psi and they were right around 890 fps.
As this is my first PCP and my first real shot string, I would welcome anyones comments.
Thanks

Set: 1       
 Created: 03/30/19 12:30 PM
 Description: Liberty JSB 18.13
 Notes 1:
 Notes 2:
 Distance to Chrono(FT): 3.00
 Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
 Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
 Temp: 0 °F
 BP: 0.00 inHg
 Altitude: 0.00
 #          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
 52    894      32.18    16.21 
 51    900      32.61    16.32 
 50    907      33.12    16.44 
 49    915      33.71    16.59 
 48    914      33.64    16.57 
 47    915      33.71    16.59 
 46    924      34.38    16.75 
 45    929      34.75    16.84 
 44    933      35.05    16.92 
 43    939      35.50    17.02 
 42    932      34.97    16.90 
 41    934      35.12    16.93 
 40    936      35.27    16.97 
 39    946      36.03    17.15 
 38    945      35.96    17.13 
 37    957      36.88    17.35 
 36    954      36.64    17.30 
 35    952      36.49    17.26 
 34    965      37.49    17.50 
 33    965      37.49    17.50 
 32    960      37.11    17.40 
 31    958      36.95    17.37 
 30    964      37.42    17.48 
 29    957      36.88    17.35 
 28    971      37.96    17.60 
 27    961      37.18    17.42 
 26    969      37.81    17.57 
 25    969      37.81    17.57 
 24    962      37.26    17.44 
 23    977      38.43    17.71 
 22    968      37.73    17.55 
 21    977      38.43    17.71 
 20    967      37.65    17.53 
 19    963      37.34    17.46 
 18    967      37.65    17.53 
 17    963      37.34    17.46 
 16    964      37.42    17.48 
 15    960      37.11    17.40 
 14    970      37.88    17.59 
 13    962      37.26    17.44 
 12    963      37.34    17.46 
 11    965      37.49    17.50 
 10    947      36.11    17.17 
 9    947      36.11    17.17 
 8    950      36.34    17.22 
 7    941      35.65    17.06 
 6    939      35.50    17.02 
 5    938      35.43    17.01 
 4    933      35.05    16.92 
 3    941      35.65    17.06 
 2    924      34.38    16.75 
 1    914      33.64    16.57  (https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif)
 Average: 947.4 FPS
 SD: 20.9 FPS
 Min: 894 FPS
 Max: 977 FPS
 Spread: 83 FPS
 Shot/sec: 0.1
 True MV: 948 FPS
 Group Size (in): 0.00
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 01, 2019, 11:20:39 AM
Rod

I really like your stock, how did you strip it down. Did you sand through the finish, or use a chemical stripper?  Was the Poly straight, or a blend of alcohol & olive oil mix?

Thanks



Mike, just regular chemical stripper with a little sanding and wire brushing to remove the old finish. It took a couple of coats to get it all off.  I used Minwax poly mixed 50/50 with mineral spirits. But you can use the wipe on poly which is basically tha same thing. Takes more coats but dries much faster than straight poly.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 01, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
Well I finally got a Full blown chronograph, it is a Caldwell.  The little $28 Chinese one is great for real time measurements but is no substitute for  a full featured unit.
My first attempt at a shot string Friday night was 60 shots and I never pressed start on the app.
This is my next one.  It is my 22 Liberty with JSB 18.13s.  I am trying to tune for Baracudas but I had many more JSBs on hand so that is what I shot for this string.  Ports are opened to almost .180, reg wheel is about 1/2 turn CCW and I have adjustable HST ala Stephen The Banker design, tuned to maybe just below the knee.
The pressure drops about 350 psi for every 10 shots.  Started about 4200 psi,  3,800 - 2,700 seems to bee the sweet spot.  There were 3-4 error shots which I removed so the shot count versus pressure level is not accurate.
BTW put a half dozen 'Cudas over it yesterday below 3,800 psi and they were right around 890 fps.
As this is my first PCP and my first real shot string, I would welcome anyones comments.
Thanks

Set: 1       
 Created: 03/30/19 12:30 PM
 Description: Liberty JSB 18.13
 Notes 1:
 Notes 2:
 Distance to Chrono(FT): 3.00
 Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
 Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
 Temp: 0 °F
 BP: 0.00 inHg
 Altitude: 0.00
 #          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
 52    894      32.18    16.21 
 51    900      32.61    16.32 
 50    907      33.12    16.44 
 49    915      33.71    16.59 
 48    914      33.64    16.57 
 47    915      33.71    16.59 
 46    924      34.38    16.75 
 45    929      34.75    16.84 
 44    933      35.05    16.92 
 43    939      35.50    17.02 
 42    932      34.97    16.90 
 41    934      35.12    16.93 
 40    936      35.27    16.97 
 39    946      36.03    17.15 
 38    945      35.96    17.13 
 37    957      36.88    17.35 
 36    954      36.64    17.30 
 35    952      36.49    17.26 
 34    965      37.49    17.50 
 33    965      37.49    17.50 
 32    960      37.11    17.40 
 31    958      36.95    17.37 
 30    964      37.42    17.48 
 29    957      36.88    17.35 
 28    971      37.96    17.60 
 27    961      37.18    17.42 
 26    969      37.81    17.57 
 25    969      37.81    17.57 
 24    962      37.26    17.44 
 23    977      38.43    17.71 
 22    968      37.73    17.55 
 21    977      38.43    17.71 
 20    967      37.65    17.53 
 19    963      37.34    17.46 
 18    967      37.65    17.53 
 17    963      37.34    17.46 
 16    964      37.42    17.48 
 15    960      37.11    17.40 
 14    970      37.88    17.59 
 13    962      37.26    17.44 
 12    963      37.34    17.46 
 11    965      37.49    17.50 
 10    947      36.11    17.17 
 9    947      36.11    17.17 
 8    950      36.34    17.22 
 7    941      35.65    17.06 
 6    939      35.50    17.02 
 5    938      35.43    17.01 
 4    933      35.05    16.92 
 3    941      35.65    17.06 
 2    924      34.38    16.75 
 1    914      33.64    16.57  (https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif)
 Average: 947.4 FPS
 SD: 20.9 FPS
 Min: 894 FPS
 Max: 977 FPS
 Spread: 83 FPS
 Shot/sec: 0.1
 True MV: 948 FPS
 Group Size (in): 0.00



Ray, the regs in these like to creep. And judging by your first 10 shots its well below the knee. Or it could be the reg not working good at that high of fill pressure. If you could run a 20 shot string from 3500 psi and post what you get it would help determine whats going on. Fill to 3500, dry fire it once and let the gun sit for a hour or two and then run the string and post back.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 01, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
Rod,
Here is the same string in the sweet spot with first 10 and the off reg shots removed, this was done within the app so calcs are good.

Created: 03/30/19 12:30 PM
 Description: Liberty JSB 18.13
 Notes 1:
 Notes 2:
 Distance to Chrono(FT): 3.00
 Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
 Bullet Weight(gr): 18.13
 Temp: 0 °F
 BP: 0.00 inHg
 Altitude: 0.00
 #          FPS  FT-LBS      PF
 28    957      36.88    17.35 
 27    954      36.64    17.30 
 26    952      36.49    17.26 
 25    965      37.49    17.50 
 24    965      37.49    17.50 
 23    960      37.11    17.40 
 22    958      36.95    17.37 
 21    964      37.42    17.48 
 20    957      36.88    17.35 
 19    971      37.96    17.60 
 18    961      37.18    17.42 
 17    969      37.81    17.57 
 16    969      37.81    17.57 
 15    962      37.26    17.44 
 14    977      38.43    17.71 
 13    968      37.73    17.55 
 12    977      38.43    17.71 
 11    967      37.65    17.53 
 10    963      37.34    17.46 
 9    967      37.65    17.53 
 8    963      37.34    17.46 
 7    964      37.42    17.48 
 6    960      37.11    17.40 
 5    970      37.88    17.59 
 4    962      37.26    17.44 
 3    963      37.34    17.46 
 2    965      37.49    17.50 
 1    950      36.34    17.22 
 Average: 963.6 FPS
 SD: 6.5 FPS
 Min: 950 FPS
 Max: 977 FPS
 Spread: 27 FPS
 Shot/sec: 0.0
 True MV: 964 FPS
 Group Size (in): 0.00
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 01, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
We need to determine if its the reg not liking the fill pressure or your tuned too far below the knee. If you could run a string from 3500 after letting the gun sit for a while it would help.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 01, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
We need to determine if its the reg not liking the fill pressure or your tuned too far below the knee. If you could run a string from 3500 after letting the gun sit for a while it would help.

on my liberty it didnt let 3500psi. at 3500psi i had to dump 10 shots before it gets consistant. ymmv
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 01, 2019, 03:00:43 PM


Quote
on my liberty it didnt let 3500psi. at 3500psi i had to dump 10 shots before it gets consistant. ymmv

U 2 I C.
Wondering how many others Liberty are doing the same thing but haven't said anything or just thinking that before they cry wolf they'll wait to see if the reg will settle in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 01, 2019, 03:24:59 PM


Quote
on my liberty it didnt let 3500psi. at 3500psi i had to dump 10 shots before it gets consistant. ymmv

U 2 I C.
Wondering how many others Liberty are doing the same thing but haven't said anything or just thinking that before they cry wolf they'll wait to see if the reg will settle in.

In my video of the shot string I didn't see that. My gun was not modified at all at the time of the recording, I was really impressed with the consistency for 80 shots. In that video I was using CPHP 14gr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDOTVFuzJm8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 01, 2019, 03:29:11 PM
If the strings are starting out low and climbing, too much reg pressure or not enough hammer strike. If the first few shots are higher, a bit too much hammer strike for the reg setting. Ideally we wouldn't have to deal with this if the regs were better. But you can adjust the hammer strike to compensate for the creep. I have mine set up so that only the first shot is 10 fps faster than the rest. I can live with that. I only fill to 250 bar.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 01, 2019, 04:08:05 PM
Quote
In my video of the shot string I didn't see that. My gun was not modified at all at the time of the recording, I was really impressed with the consistency for 80 shots. In that video I was using CPHP 14gr

Many thanks for sharing how your Liberty is performing when it's new, your fills and with what pellet your using.
It's always interesting to compare.

Quote
I only fill to 250 bar.

Many thanks for sharing what fill your using. Interesting that your using a fill of only 250 bar.
I'll have to see what kind of results I get with that fill.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on April 01, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
It just looks like a long bell curve really. I've never filled past about 3600 so I don't know.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on April 01, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
I do think they creep some. If mine sits for awhile the first shot will be 940-950 then settle down to around 925. Should be broke in by now I would think.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: dpittman on April 01, 2019, 06:43:47 PM
I think with Billys plenum with a gauge on it we will know If they creep.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 01, 2019, 10:49:54 PM
I do think they creep some. If mine sits for awhile the first shot will be 940-950 then settle down to around 925. Should be broke in by now I would think.


If you up the reg a 1/16 of a turn or back the hammer off a smidge it will flatten out.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 02, 2019, 12:18:58 AM
Quote
If you up the reg a 1/16 of a turn or back the hammer off a smidge it will flatten out.

Does the fill pressure along with the 1/16 turn or back the hammer off effect how much it flattens out ?
Unless I'm mistaken the regulator is sensitive to different fill pressures.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: kzz1kaw on April 02, 2019, 12:37:55 AM
Food for thought🤔 what about the Bellville washers in the regulator? Could it be that the washers are of low grade? I’m going to take mine apart before and after chrony results order new Belleville washers from McMaster.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 02, 2019, 01:42:06 AM
Quote
If you up the reg a 1/16 of a turn or back the hammer off a smidge it will flatten out.

Does the fill pressure along with the 1/16 turn or back the hammer off effect how much it flattens out ?
Unless I'm mistaken the regulator is sensitive to different fill pressures.

That was directed at the posters state of tune. It all depends on one's settings. But he's very close with his settings and whatever he is filling to. Every gun is different. And again, without dealing with this particular regs shortcomings, we'd be able to fill to whatever pressure we wanted to and not worry about the reg doing what its supposed to do. Its up to the end user to tune around the creep and decided whats acceptable to them.

These guys can explain far better whats going on than i ever could.... Point being, you shouldn't have to waste ten shots to get a good ES.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=137610.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=137610.0)


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=74919.100 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=74919.100)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 02, 2019, 02:35:18 AM
I have mine right at about 3900PSI right now, I put that in it the other day to get an idea how accurate the gauge is on my SCBA tank and it's just as expected, the gauge on the tank is definitely off just like I suspected. The gauge on my fill adapter and the gauge on the gun pretty much match up good.  I'll try 20 shots through it at 3900psi just out of curiosity ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 02, 2019, 09:25:15 AM

That was directed at the posters state of tune. It all depends on one's settings. But he's very close with his settings and whatever he is filling to. Every gun is different. And again, without dealing with this particular regs shortcomings, we'd be able to fill to whatever pressure we wanted to and not worry about the reg doing what its supposed to do. Its up to the end user to tune around the creep and decided whats acceptable to them.

These guys can explain far better whats going on than i ever could.... Point being, you shouldn't have to waste ten shots to get a good ES.


OK now I follow you,  Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on April 06, 2019, 08:45:10 PM
Third and Final stock for this airgun...The Sporter
Almost done
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 06, 2019, 10:47:35 PM
Ahhhh, no bullpup ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 07, 2019, 01:59:44 AM
A chunk of black walnut like that cost's a pretty penny for sure but when it's all done it's basically your own creation Stephen, I'm sure it will turn out nice for sure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on April 07, 2019, 12:10:19 PM
I think with Billys plenum with a gauge on it we will know If they creep.
 

I've been very busy but spent time with the plenum yesterday, adding to the port work which I will report on when I'm satisfied that it is reliable.

The regs definitely creep, sometimes up to 500 psi, especially when filling. You can watch the pressure drop to the set point over a few shots and remain fairly consistent, sometimes creeping 100+ when sitting for a bit so I disregard the first few shots.

 Also I have noted changes in the set point just disassembling the gun and reassembling.
That has made it difficult to compare other changes such as porting before and after.
Yesterday I chronoed a few 21.14 Barracuda match at 1400 psi with .060 added to the hammer spring. Averaged 858, with only 1400 psi. Looks promising for my original intent of lowering the set point for an extended shot count.

Next week I'll lean on it a bit for power and call it done.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 07, 2019, 06:22:39 PM
Ahhhh, no bullpup ;)

i think the lever on this rifle would also work with bullpup styles
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 08, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 08, 2019, 04:11:45 PM
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)

The shot string in the article looks terrible. I got better result than that!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 08, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
I got a red squirrel with mine this morning 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on April 08, 2019, 04:36:09 PM
I got a red squirrel with mine this morning 8)
That's great! Wayne now is the Liberty's balance compared to your Airmax Dominator and was it comfortable to carry when walking in the woods?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 08, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)

The shot string in the article looks terrible. I got better result than that!


While I had a declining string similar to that, not as severe.   Their 10 shot analysis was interesting.   Essentially, the reg was creeping.  Similar to what Billy is reporting with the plenum build: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40)

Keep in mind, they just tested straight out of the box.   No tuning, no adjustment to trigger, etc. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 08, 2019, 07:17:54 PM
Sorry, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 08, 2019, 08:50:17 PM
HAM Review: https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/ (https://hardairmagazine.com/reviews/american-tactical-nova-liberty-pcp-air-rifle-review-22-caliber/)

The shot string in the article looks terrible. I got better result than that!


While I had a declining string similar to that, not as severe.   Their 10 shot analysis was interesting.   Essentially, the reg was creeping.  Similar to what Billy is reporting with the plenum build: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40)

Keep in mind, they just tested straight out of the box.   No tuning, no adjustment to trigger, etc.

I think there is a huge variation on these rifles out of the box. My shot string video was done exactly as you described. Nothing done...just cleaned the barrel. I might be one of the lucky ones!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on April 09, 2019, 02:27:22 AM
Step by slow step, 1900/2000psi in the plenum. .080 additional on the hammer spring for a total stack of .140.

Barracuda 21.14 match at 958 for 43 ftlbs. 

out of Eujins, "dang". So, I stacked a 15.89 JSB and the 21.14 Barracuda. No shroud on the barrel. 
I'm not sure how this would relate to a single pellet weighing in at 37.03  but it delivered 771 fps for 48.9 ft lbs. 
Tomorrow I'll up the reg to 2500 but I really feel we are barrel length limited compared to a Gauntlet and might just waste air. 


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 09, 2019, 03:00:37 AM
I got a red squirrel with mine this morning 8)
That's great! Wayne now is the Liberty's balance compared to your Airmax Dominator and was it comfortable to carry when walking in the woods?
I still like my Airmax better for carrying, as far as accuracy they're both probably neck and neck.  The Liberty needs a longer gun case because it's considerably longer and probably (just guessing) 1/2lb heavier all dressed with scopes.  The scope that I have on the Liberty is the UTG Swat which is a super nice scope and clear but the BSA on my Airmax Dominator is very nice too but if I was going to choose another scope it would be the UTG, especially at the price that I got it.

All in all I have no regrets buying the Liberty and doubt I'll be selling it in the near future, it's got a beautiful stock on it and everything on it screams much more quality than what the $350 price tag is on them.  I doubt I'll ever get another deal on a gun like this for $107.50 shipped like I did.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on April 09, 2019, 05:51:39 AM
Wayne, nice comparison of the two AG's and for some reason I thought that the Dominator was heaver.  You are the one that got 90% of us Liberty "Parts-Gun" owners by your first posting that you bought one for $107.00. What I visualized was a bag full of parts and a busted up stock so I was shocked and still surprised that we received a functional AG that was ready to shoot.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on April 09, 2019, 06:10:15 AM
I forgot to ask, how do you find the noise level in the woods? I find it a little loud to be back yard friendly for me because my yard is much lower then my neighbors and I get a echo. I have been tinkering with various LDC's, air strippers and baffles to try and quiet it down. So far a 3/8" x 3" spring warped in scotch-brite, in the front cavity, helps a lot.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 09, 2019, 08:41:07 AM
Bob she's a little on the loud side but not super loud like my Disco, a fellow GTA member offered me a spare set of baffles and an air stripper and I said heck ya, I got a message from him yesterday and they're in the mail right now.  My Airmax Dominator is quieter but I am doing 38fpe with that gun and it has a good working LDC on it as well so hopefully when I put the stripper and baffles(3d printed) it'll quiet it down some.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on April 09, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
Bob she's a little on the loud side but not super loud like my Disco, a fellow GTA member offered me a spare set of baffles and an air stripper and I said heck ya, I got a message from him yesterday and they're in the mail right now.  My Airmax Dominator is quieter but I am doing 38fpe with that gun and it has a good working LDC on it as well so hopefully when I put the stripper and baffles(3d printed) it'll quiet it down some.
Wayne it would be great if you could take a photo of the stripper & baffles before you install them and let us know how it works out.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 09, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
Bob Haj has a video on installing baffles and the air stripper, these won't be from Haj but they're basically the same thing.  I'll still take a pic of them though, it might be some time before I install them though.  I've got quite a bit of stuff I want to do to it the next time I pull the action out of the stock, I really need to do some sanding on the inside of the stock for a better fit as well, it's very tight.  I also want to address the air leak as well.  I just checked a little while ago and it seems to stop leaking at about 1900psi every time so at least I won't be doing a full charge on it every time I fill it.  I'll probably take it out hunting some more before I do take it apart.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 09, 2019, 11:20:01 AM
Bob she's a little on the loud side but not super loud like my Disco, a fellow GTA member offered me a spare set of baffles and an air stripper and I said heck ya, I got a message from him yesterday and they're in the mail right now.  My Airmax Dominator is quieter but I am doing 38fpe with that gun and it has a good working LDC on it as well so hopefully when I put the stripper and baffles(3d printed) it'll quiet it down some.
Wayne it would be great if you could take a photo of the stripper & baffles before you install them and let us know how it works out.

Agree! I'm interested in this too... this subject came at the time I was doing a video on a DIY moderator for the Liberty, I couldn't finish this weekend but the project is working awesome... will post here first when the YouTube video is completed.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on April 09, 2019, 06:44:29 PM
Check out Hajimoto's air stripper for the ATI Nova Liberty and Aspen

https://youtu.be/MwoHff6pOek
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on April 11, 2019, 01:44:53 AM
Good morning all

I have a bit of an odd scenario.

My nova shoots insanely accurate, I sight it perfectly, bring the gun back into the house, the next morning it's out left/right by an inch. No clue as to why.

Could this be due to the barrel being dirty?

PS. Have not cleaned it at all.

On the cleaning: I was thinking barrel rod and nitro solvent, is this fine?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 11, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Good morning all

I have a bit of an odd scenario.

My nova shoots insanely accurate, I sight it perfectly, bring the gun back into the house, the next morning it's out left/right by an inch. No clue as to why.

Could this be due to the barrel being dirty?

PS. Have not cleaned it at all.

On the cleaning: I was thinking barrel rod and nitro solvent, is this fine?

I am sorry I do not have an answer to your question, but I am not satisfied with the accuracy of mine and maybe I am expecting too much but what do you call insanely accurate?
Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 11, 2019, 10:32:15 AM
While it is a good idea to clean the barrel, I don't think that is causing your issue. 

Are just the first few shots off, and then back to the prior poi?  If so, maybe reg creep.

Typically, I'd look for a shroud/support issue, but that is with floated barrel/shroud guns.  The Liberty shroud is tied to air tube with its barrel band.

If you are storing the gun horizontally, try vertical.  Visa versa. 

Have you eliminated the scope as an issue?  Is it near it max adjustments?

Also, if not already, use the SS tray vs the mag.  Some have reported shifts in poi using the mag.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on April 11, 2019, 10:50:20 AM


I am sorry I do not have an answer to your question, but I am not satisfied with the accuracy of mine and maybe I am expecting too much but what do you call insanely accurate?
Thanks

At 15m I shoot a single hole, at 25m it's a 5 leef clover, and at 50m it's about half an inch group.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 15, 2019, 09:56:30 AM
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Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on April 16, 2019, 12:44:57 PM
Orion thanks for sharing your insights. That does work I have done similar things on other rifles.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 16, 2019, 04:01:52 PM
Orion thanks for sharing your insights. That does work I have done similar things on other rifles.
Hi Frankie!

Yes, it works really well, but I'm not sure if the video does justice... really hard to capture with the mic the real life sound difference.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 16, 2019, 08:31:21 PM

Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 16, 2019, 08:52:24 PM

Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!

If someone tries this, please share your thoughts! Stephen, you should give this a try... It will add lenght to the gun as you mentioned in your video, but the beauty of this is that you can control easily the size.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on April 17, 2019, 10:44:57 PM

Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!

If someone tries this, please share your thoughts! Stephen, you should give this a try... It will add lenght to the gun as you mentioned in your video, but the beauty of this is that you can control easily the size.

Hey Orion, the small one you see me holding in the Hajimoto video the is 7" I made a few months ago. It uses felt with hair curlers and plastic washers. If you look back on my video from last year and 2 years ago, Hatsan QE shroud extension and how to make a shroud  videos, I have been making these for my guns for years. I found that using thin gauge alunminum with plastic washers and hair curlers with felt is the most quiet. The PVC just adds too much diameter on the outside and very little in the inside due to it's thickness. I've made 5, 6 and 7 inch airgun moderators and found 7 inches to work best with the Nova liberty.

You can find the plastic 1" diameter washers on Amazon but they are not cheap. You can use metal washers but they clang against the aluminum.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 22, 2019, 07:34:42 AM

Impressive! Many thanks for sharing.
You're welcome!

If someone tries this, please share your thoughts! Stephen, you should give this a try... It will add lenght to the gun as you mentioned in your video, but the beauty of this is that you can control easily the size.

Hey Orion, the small one you see me holding in the Hajimoto video the is 7" I made a few months ago. It uses felt with hair curlers and plastic washers. If you look back on my video from last year and 2 years ago, Hatsan QE shroud extension and how to make a shroud  videos, I have been making these for my guns for years. I found that using thin gauge alunminum with plastic washers and hair curlers with felt is the most quiet. The PVC just adds too much diameter on the outside and very little in the inside due to it's thickness. I've made 5, 6 and 7 inch airgun moderators and found 7 inches to work best with the Nova liberty.

You can find the plastic 1" diameter washers on Amazon but they are not cheap. You can use metal washers but they clang against the aluminum.

Hey Stephen,

somehow  I missed your reply and it's just now that I see it.

Hey quick question, yesterday I drilled the barrel to 3/16 but it was a pain to sand the bur specially in  the inside and I'm not even sure if I did a good job or not, any hint on how to get a smooth internal?

I used one of the heads of my dremel that was long enough and thin enough but did the job carefully by hand. Then I ran a cleaning cotton patch and noticed it came without any damage, originally was coming with a small hole, but again I'm not sure how you guys are doing it.

Thanks once more!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2019, 03:05:55 PM
My Liberty is amazingly accurate everytime as long as I can do my part.  The pellets that I use I cast myself so they're all between 19.5 and 19.7 grains but most of the last ones that I cast were mostly 19.62 - 19.64 grains.  That's why I've been calling them 19.6 grainers because that seems to be a good average weight.  I have been using pure lead up until my last run, they're much prettier pellets but honestly I can't see much improvement in accuracy from the pure lead ones, they both shoot excellent.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 22, 2019, 03:41:55 PM
Wayne - do you think the accuracy lots to do with the weight of the slugs?
Have you also found that filling it to a certain PSI helps?
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Post by: darkcharisma on April 22, 2019, 04:08:28 PM
my latest design installed into a .177. making 33fpe at 980fps for 15.5 grains slugs. only 15 shots for 1000psi used. very inefficient but if tuned down at 30fpe at 930fps should give 20 shots.

need to put a plenum on...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2019, 04:40:01 PM
Wayne - do you think the accuracy lots to do with the weight of the slugs?
Have you also found that filling it to a certain PSI helps?
They're not slugs they're pellets Matt !!!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7871/40631437883_7ac64bcee7_c.jpg)
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Post by: cosmic on April 22, 2019, 04:53:56 PM
Beautiful Duy !!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 22, 2019, 05:03:23 PM
Wayne - do you think the accuracy lots to do with the weight of the slugs?
Have you also found that filling it to a certain PSI helps?
They're not slugs they're pellets Matt !!!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7871/40631437883_7ac64bcee7_c.jpg)

Ok but you didn't answer my questions!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
Here's a pictorial chrony string that I did with it recently

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/47541215152_f88aa38470_b.jpg)

The way that I see it the weight definitely is going to make a difference because it only stands to reason that a heavy one is going to drop faster than a light one.  The spin will probably make a difference with a high velocity and low velocity as well but don't mark my word.  I know that when I use to do chrony tests with the JSB's I'd weigh each pellet individually and use that for figuring out my fpe etc.
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Post by: superchikn on April 22, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
Matt,I have my Liberty that I bought new on the Black Friday sale and I have a Freedom that was a no warranty return gun with quite a few shots through it.  The pump piston seals were shot in the Freedom.

Both are .22.   

 The Liberty has several thousand pellets through it.  A few deep cleanings with brass brush and JB etc. polished leade, deburred port, crown polished,  moved power around, shot strings are good.It has only started to shoot good groups and they are not great yet, or fully reliable yet.
Best pellet - AA 18s2nd best JSB 18.13s
Barracuda Match are very so-so   with occasional groups which are acceptable, but usually nothing under an inch.
Pellets which surprise me - JSB Ultrashock at 25 gr, JSB Monsters and redesigned( they switch depending on the day) but usually 1/2" groups. 
All at 30 yds.

Seneca 28s are usually pretty good but not great.  Piledrivers -usually about 1 1/2"JSB 15.89s and AA 16s willy usually shoot pretty well but are really screaming at current power level.

On the flip side, my Freedom I received last week.  rebuilt the pump on Saturday and was finally able to shoot it.  As I said this gun has been shot a lot.  The leade is still sharp and unpolished, but the barrel was clean.
Started shooting Barracudas- 5 in a small ragged hole.  JSB 18s pretty much the same.  Have not gotten to any other pellets yet.  Six groups and pretty much all the same.  Still need to do the trigger and some other things.
I think some of these barrels are just a little less great than others.  I plan to polish the bore in my Liberty and i think it will continue to improve.  If the barrels will swap I'm probably going to do that.  I have another Freedom parts gun on the way.

As for pellets, I have run a good 15 or 20 brands, styles, weights, head sizes etc. through the Liberty and do not see a trend which is disappointing.  But I love these guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2019, 06:36:22 PM
The first thing I did with my Liberty was pull the barrel off and clean it thoroughly, then pushed one of my cast pellets through it, a GTO and a JSB, they all looked good so I reassembled it and didn't really shoot it till I got a probe for it in the mail, all I've been doing since is shooting it with the tune that it came with. 
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 22, 2019, 07:27:13 PM
Ray -
Quote
If the barrels will swap I'm probably going to do that.  I have another Freedom parts gun on the way.

This will be very interesting when and if your able to do the swap.
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Post by: superchikn on April 22, 2019, 09:01:51 PM
I just looked, the barrels are the same part number so I do not see why they would not.  Someone had posted that they do not interchange but I will know soon.  Unfortunately with my stupid broken left wrist i am moving at about 1/2 speed with some things.   >:( >:( >:(

I have a .22 barrel coming on Wednesday for my SSP-250 which is something i have wanted to do for years.  That may override the Novas for a few days.

Just tried some more pellets in the Freedom.

First the bad- Benji hollow points only do about 3/4 - 1 inch, which is not all that bad really.

JSB 18s shoot the same tight groups on LO as they do on Hi.

JSB 14.3 - pretty well HI or LO

AA 16 on LO put 6 in a hole that was barely larger that the pellet.  That's a rockstar combo there!  The 16s are not so great on HI.

Trigger is still in the stock configuration and a bit heavy.  i will lighten and smooth it out and that will help too.

In contrast, My Liberty does not shoot ANYTHING well on LO and a complete re zero is required to even use it.

Can all of this be cured with a barrel swap?  Jeez I really hope so.  I am just blown away by the way the Freedom is shooting compared to my Liberty..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 22, 2019, 09:08:12 PM
What size head on the Barracudas? I have 5.53 head size and they group well from my Liberty, just have a lot more drop than the JSB 15.89' or 18.13's.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 22, 2019, 09:21:33 PM
What size head on the Barracudas? I have 5.53 head size and they group well from my Liberty, just have a lot more drop than the JSB 15.89' or 18.13's.
I have run at least a tin each of all three sizes through it.  It won't shoot them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 22, 2019, 11:04:52 PM
Ray - Have you tried the JSB Hades? I'm using them and so far my Liberty is loving 'em.
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Post by: tkerrigan on April 23, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
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Post by: darkcharisma on April 23, 2019, 02:33:50 AM
got  to work on a plenum...i think i am going crazy...going to pull a half nighter and finish up tomorrow so i can wrap up the .177 project. hoping the plenum will push the 15.5grs to 1000fps. already at 980fps with my new valve.

23cc plus 4cc in front of the valve. measure with fluid
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Post by: Letum on April 23, 2019, 04:15:20 AM
Had the opportunity to stretch the Nova's legs this weekend a bit. Here's a Rock Hyrax that took a shot to the neck from 101m.

The wind was doing it's bit so took 4 shots to figure out what the horizontal adjustment should be and on lucky number 5 it was a solid hit.

Grouping out at that range is probably around 5 inches, so not as great as the FX's but once again the Nova is nowhere near the same price category!! 

Just to add: I was shooting JSB 18.39gr pellets at 870fps average.
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Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 09:48:16 AM
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
Here you go!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
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Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 09:59:16 AM
let me ask again in case anyone that has done it is reading...

Have you drilled your barrel to 3/16? If so can you explain how you deburred? Specially the inside, I'm not sure I have a nice flat surface on the inside, really hard to reach.

Thanks!
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Post by: nervoustrigger on April 23, 2019, 10:13:39 AM
How I do it...

deburr the barrel port - Use a small diamond ball burr to radius the edges of the barrel port.  An assortment like this runs less than $10: https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Quality-20-Piece-Diamond-Rotary-Tool/dp/B000MOI9G6 (https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Quality-20-Piece-Diamond-Rotary-Tool/dp/B000MOI9G6).  What I do is load a 3/32" (for .177 cal) or 1/8" (for .22 cal or larger) diameter ball into the Dremel running at its lowest speed, and work it from inside the hole and up over the sharp edge all the way around the perimeter of the hole.  Don't go crazy with it; the radius need only be five or ten thousandths (0.005" - 0.010").  Just trying to get rid of the wire edge left from the drilling operation.  Then take a small dowel or skewer wrapped in 320 then 400 grit to polish the newly-formed radius.  Apply some light oil (mineral oil, WD40, etc.) to help shed the swarf.  Since this work is done at a shallow angle, round over the end of the dowel so it can dip into the hole as you pass it back and forth.  Expect to chew up the paper a couple of times; just keep refreshing the abrasive and work it until it is smooth.  It will become apparent when you've done enough because the paper will no longer be as apt to shred.

Refer to the following photo courtesy of Tom/UlteriorModem.

(https://i.imgur.com/gBkxbH2.jpg)

While we're at it, notice the remnants of the rifling and general surface roughness in the photo above.  These are indications of an inadequately prepared leade.  This region will benefit from being worked smooth.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 10:17:31 AM
let me ask again in case anyone that has done it is reading...

Have you drilled your barrel to 3/16? If so can you explain how you deburred? Specially the inside, I'm not sure I have a nice flat surface on the inside, really hard to reach.

Thanks!
I used fine sand paper on a wood dowel.  At the same time i also took the edge off of the leade. 

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471)

 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 10:19:59 AM
let me ask again in case anyone that has done it is reading...

Have you drilled your barrel to 3/16? If so can you explain how you deburred? Specially the inside, I'm not sure I have a nice flat surface on the inside, really hard to reach.

Thanks!
I used fine sand paper on a wood dowel.  At the same time i also took the edge off of the leade. 

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=130555.msg1288471#msg1288471)

Thanks for sharing, much appreciated!
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Post by: Wayne52 on April 23, 2019, 10:27:49 AM
Those ball burrs work fantastic for a barrel port, I used one on a Crosman barrel (it was brand new straight from Crosman too) and it worked fantastic.  I usually get that stuff on Ebay cheaper than Amazon for the exact same product.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 10:32:37 AM
Those ball burrs work fantastic for a barrel port, I used one on a Crosman barrel (it was brand new straight from Crosman too) and it worked fantastic.  I usually get that stuff on Ebay cheaper than Amazon for the exact same product.
Agreed.  I did not have one that would work at the time.  I have two different assortments now.
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Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 10:34:50 AM
can you share a link to a rod you guys use to push a pellet through the barrel? I need to buy one...
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Post by: nervoustrigger on April 23, 2019, 10:39:59 AM
Any rod will do for that purpose...a $10-15 kit from a local store is fine.  If you plan to get a rod for deburring/polishing the bore, that’s when a ball-bearing type is needed to ensure it turns effortlessly to follow the rifling. I use a Dewey rod for anything .22 cal and larger.  https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx)  I had difficulty finding a good one for .177 so I bought a couple of ball bearings on eBay (4mm ID to match the rod) and used threadlocker to affix them, and fitted a piece of dowel over them as a handle.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
can you share a link to a rod you guys use to push a pellet through the barrel? I need to buy one...
to push a pellet through I use a 1/8" wood dowel.
For polishing the bore I bought this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 10:59:44 AM
Ray - Have you tried the JSB Hades? I'm using them and so far my Liberty is loving 'em.
No I have not ordered those yet.  I do not think my issue is with pellet preference.  It is the barrel or the gun.  I will know for sure when I swap barrels.
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Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 11:19:32 AM
Any rod will do for that purpose...a $10-15 kit from a local store is fine.  If you plan to get a rod for deburring/polishing the bore, that’s when a ball-bearing type is needed to ensure it turns effortlessly to follow the rifling. I use a Dewey rod for anything .22 cal and larger.  https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/cleaning-rods-amp-accessories/cleaning-rods/stainless-steel-rods-prod5635.aspx)  I had difficulty finding a good one for .177 so I bought a couple of ball bearings on eBay (4mm ID to match the rod) and used threadlocker to affix them, and fitted a piece of dowel over them as a handle.

Hi Jason,

Thanks for sharing this and the post I just read on barrel inspection, outstanding article! Thanks!
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Post by: Orion on April 23, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
can you share a link to a rod you guys use to push a pellet through the barrel? I need to buy one...
to push a pellet through I use a 1/8" wood dowel.
For polishing the bore I bought this.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000G774SS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Thanks Ray! Much appreciated!
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Post by: tkerrigan on April 23, 2019, 12:25:47 PM
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
Here you go!
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
Here you go!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)

Thanks a million for the schematics, I have four .22's to fix leaks and sticking pistons on.  Regards, Tom
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)

[/quoteThanks a million for the manuals
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Post by: superchikn on April 23, 2019, 01:14:22 PM
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
Here you go!
If somebody has a schematic on the Freedom, I could sure use a copy, pretty please.  I have four of them.  Regards, Tom
Here you go!
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)
Thanks a million for the schematics, I have four .22's to fix leaks and sticking pistons on.  Regards, Tom
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/172nj6vvgevk969/AACc5jztUKdwDDQXwMCDce-pa?dl=0)

[/quoteThanks a million for the manuals


Tom,
Check the link below for rebuilding the pump.  I used two 006 urethane D90 o rings on the high pressure or 3rd stage piston on mine and pumps great now.
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/stuck-halfway-thru-seneca-aspen-nova-freedom-pump-repair-photos/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/stuck-halfway-thru-seneca-aspen-nova-freedom-pump-repair-photos/)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tkerrigan on April 23, 2019, 01:34:36 PM
Thanks again, I had previously copied the first page but didn't have the pictures.  Regards, Tom
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 25, 2019, 09:29:05 AM
Just received my deburring tools today, and I think this was already answered but I cannot find the post.

Can I remove the barrel without degassing the gun? It looks to me it should be ok but it's better to be safe than sorry.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on April 25, 2019, 10:55:40 AM
Yes you can..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 25, 2019, 12:18:22 PM
Yes you can..
Thanks for confirming!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 27, 2019, 02:27:02 PM
I just looked, the barrels are the same part number so I do not see why they would not.  Someone had posted that they do not interchange but I will know soon.  Unfortunately with my stupid broken left wrist i am moving at about 1/2 speed with some things.   >:( >:( >:(

I have a .22 barrel coming on Wednesday for my SSP-250 which is something i have wanted to do for years.  That may override the Novas for a few days.

Just tried some more pellets in the Freedom.

First the bad- Benji hollow points only do about 3/4 - 1 inch, which is not all that bad really.

JSB 18s shoot the same tight groups on LO as they do on Hi.

JSB 14.3 - pretty well HI or LO

AA 16 on LO put 6 in a hole that was barely larger that the pellet.  That's a rockstar combo there!  The 16s are not so great on HI.

Trigger is still in the stock configuration and a bit heavy.  i will lighten and smooth it out and that will help too.

In contrast, My Liberty does not shoot ANYTHING well on LO and a complete re zero is required to even use it.

Can all of this be cured with a barrel swap?  Jeez I really hope so.  I am just blown away by the way the Freedom is shooting compared to my Liberty..

Did the barrel swap today.  Straight swap as suspected. Now my Liberty is dead nuts.  The barrel that came with my Liberty is quite a bit tighter than the one which came with my Freedom.  I do think the Liberty barrel can be lapped into shape.  I need to get the felt pellets and do some more studying though.
The only difference I saw between the barrels is that two inches of the OD is turned down like the breach end on my Liberty barrel, Freedom is not.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 27, 2019, 02:54:56 PM
Ray I'll bet they turned that barrel after it was rifled on the Liberty and it choked the barrel there.  Probably hogging to much material to fast.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 27, 2019, 03:06:48 PM
FWIW: Both of my Liberty's were turned down slightly at the breech end.  One was "tight" for the full length, the other on the "loose" side.  That was with pushing 18.1g JSB's through the bore. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 27, 2019, 04:16:51 PM
Ray I'll bet they turned that barrel after it was rifled on the Liberty and it choked the barrel there.  Probably hogging to much material to fast.
Wayne,
That makes sense because I would swear that barrel is choked.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Does anyone else have a barrel with the muzzle end turned down like the breech end?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 28, 2019, 02:32:56 AM
I'm thinking that there were some changes in their manufacturing on the earlier models ??? would be interesting to know.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 28, 2019, 08:34:48 AM
Very interesting finding Ray...just out of curiosity... do you think ATI will sell the freedom barrel?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 28, 2019, 09:49:45 AM
Check this out:

Yesterday I was testing the accuracy of the gun after drilled the barrel port and deburring it and I'll say the accuracy improved a lot just by doing that, I think the out of the box barrel had a burr because I was not getting these groups. I did the first two on top and I was WOW and went ahead and recorded the two groups below.... 5 shots each.

I start chrony the first shots and I saw crazy numbers, like first was 930, then 960 then 980 then back to 940  and by looking at that I decided not to chrony more and shoot the gun a bit and I'll chrony later, maybe today to see what was the impact of drilling the port to 3/16 increasing reg pressure by 1/8 turn and adding one washer on the hammer spring...

This is the video, no editing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq4NBiCaD-4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq4NBiCaD-4)

Ohh almost forgot to mention.... this is with the super cheap CPHP 14.3gr
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 28, 2019, 11:34:24 AM
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I think the out of the box barrel had a burr because I was not getting these groups.

Orion - Did you do anything to the "barrel" to get rid of the burr? Or are you referring to burr in the "port" from when you drilled it to 3/16"
I can see how fixing the burr in the "barrel" would effect your improved accuracy.
Like to try this on my Liberty because
Quote
like first was 930, then 960 then 980 then back to 940 
that's what mine is doing which is stock/unmodified at the moment.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 28, 2019, 12:12:14 PM
Quote
I think the out of the box barrel had a burr because I was not getting these groups.

Orion - Did you do anything to the "barrel" to get rid of the burr? Or are you referring to burr in the "port" from when you drilled it to 3/16"
I can see how fixing the burr in the "barrel" would effect your improved accuracy.
Like to try this on my Liberty because
Quote
like first was 930, then 960 then 980 then back to 940 
that's what mine is doing which is stock/unmodified at the moment.

Thanks!

I just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 28, 2019, 12:39:09 PM
Quote
I just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!

Understand what you meant now. Thanks!
Just wanted to make sure before I attempt to do mine. Goes without saying that drilling the transfer port will be the trickiest part.
I already ordered and have in my possession the tools Jason suggested.
Looking forward to the crony results and which pellet you used.

Many thanks!
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Post by: Orion on April 28, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
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I just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!

Understand what you meant now. Thanks!
Just wanted to make sure before I attempt to do mine. Goes without saying that drilling the transfer port will be the trickiest part.
I already ordered and have in my possession the tools Jason suggested.
Looking forward to the crony results and which pellet you used.

Many thanks!

Here I have my chrony results, I used CPHP, also I've recorded a video that I might put online with a summary of the results all together.

This is 20 shots at high power

(https://i.imgur.com/9o2sj4K.png)

Then I did 10 more shots at low power, the results are great here... I think I'll need to shot a few thousands of pellets with the rifle to later repeat it... it might improve later on, I think the reg still breaking in..

 (https://i.imgur.com/DEYcgwa.png)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on April 30, 2019, 06:07:56 AM
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I just opened a bit more the barrel transfer port (is that the name???) to 3/16, it was a bit smaller than that, but after drilling I created a lot of burr, then I went ahead and deburred with the tools that Jason suggested. I'm heading out to chrony again today after a few shots yesterday.... will record it!

Understand what you meant now. Thanks!
Just wanted to make sure before I attempt to do mine. Goes without saying that drilling the transfer port will be the trickiest part.
I already ordered and have in my possession the tools Jason suggested.
Looking forward to the crony results and which pellet you used.

Many thanks!

Here I have my chrony results, I used CPHP, also I've recorded a video that I might put online with a summary of the results all together.

This is 20 shots at high power

(https://i.imgur.com/9o2sj4K.png)

Then I did 10 more shots at low power, the results are great here... I think I'll need to shot a few thousands of pellets with the rifle to later repeat it... it might improve later on, I think the reg still breaking in..

 (https://i.imgur.com/DEYcgwa.png)

WOW that "low power" is a brilliant string!!! I found the Nova to be a bit more consistent on a lower power, especially on the first shot. However I found the reverse with the 1st shot being about 20 fps faster than the follow ups. As soon as i have a chance I'll be dropping the power on the reg down to 820 fps to check whether it all stabilises a bit. PS. with the 18.13gr JSB's I'm running at around 870fps at the moment.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 30, 2019, 06:45:21 AM
It seems like the guy that originally designed these rifles was from Canada ???  I can remember back when he was trying to find a manufacturer to produce them.
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Post by: kzz1kaw on April 30, 2019, 07:15:49 AM
It seems like the guy that originally designed these rifles was from Canada ???  I can remember back when he was trying to find a manufacturer to produce them.
Interesting. Any more info?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 30, 2019, 07:38:28 AM
I tried a little to research it some more but can't find him he definitely made a youtube on the prototypes though, maybe I can find info there.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on April 30, 2019, 09:50:57 AM
However I found the reverse with the 1st shot being about 20 fps faster than the follow ups.

It's reg creeping too, but it depends on the tension you have on the hammer spring. In your case the reg let pass a bit more air but your hammer tension is still good to open the valve completely letting all the air pass, and you will see a higher speed.

In my scenario the creep created too much pressure for the tension I currently have and the valve couldn't open completely so not all the air came out and that's why the first shot speed is slower. This is exactly what happens in a non regulated gun where the speed of the first few shots are below the sweet spot, to then drop again...

One observation when I increased the regulator pressure was that the accuracy increased tremendously, now.. I did multiple things, and one of those was to increase the pressure. I think before the tune I was having a more consistent shot string, but the accuracy was not close to what it's today. Maybe the increase in accuracy is due to me deburring the opening on the barrel?

Now I'm getting around 60 shots regulated at an average of (991 fps)... not bad at all considering the increase in power that I got, before I did anything I was having 80 shots at (936 fps) this with the 14.3gr CPHP.

I'll test the rifle a bit like it's but I might try and lower the reg pressure back to the factory set and test again.

IMO a huge problem to really fine tune is the inability to adjust the tension of the hammer spring in an easy way, like I can do on my Taipan for example.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on May 08, 2019, 04:07:38 PM
I figured I update anyone interested in the Custom ATI Nova Liberty stocks. I made 3 styles. The Thumb hole, the Bantam style and the Sporter style (inspired by the RAW HM1000X)  These are not perfect but rewarding to make.
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Post by: green on May 08, 2019, 06:11:42 PM
Stephen,
Brother you are a born craftsman! For someone who had never made a stock before, these all look very professionally done and are truly beautiful! You should be very proud of your work dude! If ever you want to sell one of them please keep me in mind! You are The Man!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on May 08, 2019, 07:10:27 PM
Really nice work indeed Stephen! Beautiful
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Post by: AVS Stephen on May 09, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
Thank you Tom and Orion.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on May 10, 2019, 03:05:42 PM
Hi All, Just heard from Kee Keat. ATI will have many sets of replacement O-Rings available in 2 weeks.
Here is Kee Keat's communication to me.

Hi Stephen,

Good day.
Just for your information, we have sent some replacement O-rings (Nova Liberty) to our Distributor (ATI). They should received in 2 weeks time.

We will continue looking into the poppet leaking issue. For now you can check with ATI, they should have the poppet spare parts in stock. This poppet in Nova Liberty is the same as Nova Freedom (PCP with built in pump).

Thank you again for your support.

Regards,
Kee Keat
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 10, 2019, 03:59:00 PM
Stephen that's super good news, I've got o rings ordered from the O Ring Store for my Freedom right now but some of them are on back order so it will be another 7 days before they get them.  I'll try ordering poppets from ATI when someone else has been successful at getting them ;D

I sure do like these guns, you're never going to get your bang for your buck like you will from these guns 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on May 10, 2019, 09:35:46 PM
It is great to see this gun getting the spare parts coming.... Thanks for sharing Setephen
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on May 10, 2019, 09:52:31 PM
Good news indeed, especially since i have three of the libertys. Having available parts will certainly make the purchase of these guns more attractive. ATI and especially  Nova Vista are stepping up their customer service to levels which can only help them with sales and us with confidence that we can get essential parts when we need them. This is certainly a step in the right direction and I applaud them for their efforts. Thanks Stephen for your efforts and communications for all of us. Chet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on May 11, 2019, 12:18:56 PM
Hey Chet, I too have three of these guns. I rooting for the success of this gun as it will make the other manufactures take notice and step up there game on making some better more affordable air guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on May 11, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
Stephen

It would be great if we could buy a "SET" of o-rings from ATI. Even if it was just the 90 durometer, odd size ones. That would be a start.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on May 11, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
Assuming Kee Keat is from the Chinese source for these guns to ATI. I wonder if we should not mention the "no warranty" deal ATI put out? I can't help but think there is a reason they weren't listed on the website and we only found out about them through word of mouth. I wouldn't want to be the one to mess up a good thing.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 11, 2019, 05:23:23 PM
Assuming Kee Keat is from the Chinese source for these guns to ATI. I wonder if we should not mention the "no warranty" deal ATI put out? I can't help but think there is a reason they weren't listed on the website and we only found out about them through word of mouth. I wouldn't want to be the one to mess up a good thing.
I just went to the ATI site and couldn't find the poppets they supposedly have, maybe that's something we have to call about if we want one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on May 11, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
I talked to Tye several weeks ago  and in the course of that conversation I suggested that ATI could add another profit center by offering bags of orings to fit the Nova Vistas. He said he thought it was a good idea and would look into it. Sure hope they follow through. It seems by Kee Keat's recent actions that they could and would provide orings to ATI. Individual efforts to size and obtain orings for the Nova Vistas have been  a pain. Fuzzy Grub was a big help  with some of them but it seems Nova Vista didn't folllow conventional sizing with cross section, etc. so lots of the ones he bought didn't fit. Thanks to everyone for their various contributions to help keep everyone shooting. Chet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on May 17, 2019, 04:37:52 PM
I have been down for awhile and forgot which of the trigger guard screw goes where ? Wood screw in the front or the back hole of the trigger ?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on May 17, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
Front
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Post by: cosmic on May 17, 2019, 04:43:42 PM
Thanks !!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on May 21, 2019, 04:27:13 AM
Bleh, some new news on my side. Whilst filling up yesterday I hear a new hisssss, upon closer inspection it seems that my cylinder is leaking from the filling side, but not from the gauge. Has anyone opened up the cylinder? How would I go about this without damaging it? My first thought was to stick a screwdriver through the filling port holes and just twist, however I fear that this might damage the seal when filling going forward.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 21, 2019, 06:05:53 AM
Hannes if you don't already use rubber gloves with pcp's they're invaluable for twisting stuff on a pcp's.  I don't know which gun you're talking about the Liberty or the Freedom ???  I've got good manuals that I got from drop boxes in this thread and others and if you don't already have those I'd be getting them too.  Personally I just recently got all the o rings from the o ring store for my second Freedom and I'll be tackling that puppy soon myself, my first non warranty Freedom is all that I've been using for hunting in my last several hunts. As for using anything in that fill port I'd try matching the fill port size with a rod the same size with a smooth surface so you don't mar the inside of it.  Best case scenario would be a perfect fit brass rod but I'd probably use the smooth end of a drill bit myself, that would work.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Letum on May 21, 2019, 07:29:32 AM
Hannes if you don't already use rubber gloves with pcp's they're invaluable for twisting stuff on a pcp's.  I don't know which gun you're talking about the Liberty or the Freedom ???  I've got good manuals that I got from drop boxes in this thread and others and if you don't already have those I'd be getting them too.  Personally I just recently got all the o rings from the o ring store for my second Freedom and I'll be tackling that puppy soon myself, my first non warranty Freedom is all that I've been using for hunting in my last several hunts. As for using anything in that fill port I'd try matching the fill port size with a rod the same size with a smooth surface so you don't mar the inside of it.  Best case scenario would be a perfect fit brass rod but I'd probably use the smooth end of a drill bit myself, that would work.

Great advice on the rubber gloves thank you!!! It's for the Liberty. Will give the gloves a try and if that does not work will go for a perfect fit rod.
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Post by: RDB on May 21, 2019, 11:45:47 AM
A screwdriver wrapped with a piece of leather or a couple layers of duck tape will keep things from getting marked up. Nothing has been super tight on my liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on May 23, 2019, 06:24:12 PM
Anyone know the size of a probe o ring for a .177 and where to get it  ?
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Post by: Missed-Em on May 23, 2019, 06:48:23 PM
Getting tired of waiting - any news on when V2 will be available?
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Post by: cosmic on May 23, 2019, 08:00:33 PM
Don't know...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 24, 2019, 01:13:36 AM
Ray I'd like to have one of those Discovery scopes, all I hear is good about them.  I'll get one some day ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on May 24, 2019, 10:11:10 AM
Ray I'd like to have one of those Discovery scopes, all I hear is good about them.  I'll get one some day ???
Wayne I have 2 of the VT-T 6-24x50 they are excellent, even without taking the price in consideration. Now, after adding one of those to the Liberty I realize that it make the rifle heavy, good for shooting from the table, not so good for shooting in the woods, as you are. So if I were on the market for a scope this is the one I'll be buying for the Liberty

https://airgunopticsplus.com/collections/scopes/products/discovery-vt-3-3-12x44-sf-compact-first-focal-plane-airgun-hunting-rifle-scope-optic-shooting-riflescope-with-free-scope-mount

Only 18Oz, I'm sharing because I hope I can help someone to avoid my mistakes.

Fun fact, I like how the big scope works on my Taipan Veteran, I don't know if it's because the Taipan is short and the Liberty is long and the extra weight makes the entire thing a bit awkward .
 
Just my 2 cents..
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 24, 2019, 11:03:53 AM
I'll wait for a sale on them before I buy one though ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 24, 2019, 11:22:45 AM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
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Post by: superchikn on May 25, 2019, 04:24:19 PM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
Real nice find John!  Thanks for posting this.  I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages. 

This works great!  I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now.  I rarely use the safety anyway.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on May 25, 2019, 06:00:22 PM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

Quote
This works great!  I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now.  I rarely use the safety anyway.


https://youtu.be/Vb5quj6ZhJM (https://youtu.be/Vb5quj6ZhJM)
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Post by: SoCalZac on May 30, 2019, 11:56:35 PM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
Real nice find John!  Thanks for posting this.  I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages. 

This works great!  I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now.  I rarely use the safety anyway.


What size screws are needed? Btw I checked the aoa site and they want $30 for the tigger adjustment kit which is two screws and 3 Allen wrenches. Can’t believe anyone would pay that but who knows they maybe selling a ton of them.  https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 31, 2019, 08:16:17 AM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
Real nice find John!  Thanks for posting this.  I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages. 

This works great!  I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now.  I rarely use the safety anyway.


What size screws are needed? Btw I checked the aoa site and they want $30 for the tigger adjustment kit which is two screws and 3 Allen wrenches. Can’t believe anyone would pay that but who knows they maybe selling a ton of them.  https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/)


The pointed set-screws can be found at McmasterCarr or many other places.  $2.82 for 25, in SS: https://www.mcmaster.com/91217a175 (https://www.mcmaster.com/91217a175)
These are the same length as the ball-point ones.  If longer are needed, 16mm length in alloy, is available.

The ball-point ones were posted earlier in this thread.  They were a little pricey at around $5 each.  These should be just about as good. 

PS: I wasn't expecting any of the DIYers here to pay $30 for set-screws.  ;)    The drawing, info, and going without spring, I thought would be of interest.  I haven't tried the set-up myself, yet. 
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Post by: SoCalZac on May 31, 2019, 10:09:40 AM
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on May 31, 2019, 10:50:06 AM
Some trigger info: https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/a-trigger-the-nova-freedom-and-related-vista-repeaters-deserve/)

I think the screws have been covered here, but have not seen the removal of the 1st stage spring.
Real nice find John!  Thanks for posting this.  I have been using the roller tip screws i found but could not get two stages. 

This works great!  I Have a longer screw in the G position to move the trigger back a bit so I still do not have a safety but that is just a matter of shortening the set screw in the safety lever which I will do now.  I rarely use the safety anyway.


What size screws are needed? Btw I checked the aoa site and they want $30 for the tigger adjustment kit which is two screws and 3 Allen wrenches. Can’t believe anyone would pay that but who knows they maybe selling a ton of them.  https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/ (https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/parts/nova-freedom-custom-two-stage-trigger-upgrade/)

It's a "Feeler Price" to feel-out what the level of pain is needed to extract peoples money. If it doesn't sell at that price then they reduce it because inventory is backing up. It's S.O.P(Standard Operating Procedure)marketing practices for all companies whom sell stuff.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on May 31, 2019, 01:04:16 PM
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.
Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?
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Post by: SoCalZac on May 31, 2019, 04:33:43 PM
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.
Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?

These were posted earlier in the thread somewhere. They are from McMasterCarr

https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215 (https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on May 31, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.
Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?

These were posted earlier in the thread somewhere. They are from McMasterCarr

https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215 (https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215)

Thanks for sharing, I think I missed those!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 31, 2019, 10:06:22 PM
Thanks for the link I ordered the screws and some Bellevue washers for the regulator.
Where did you order the Bellevue washers from? Can you share link?

These were posted earlier in the thread somewhere. They are from McMasterCarr

https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215 (https://www.mcmaster.com/96445K215)


I had added them to a MC order after the original posting.  I haven't tried them yet.  If I recall correctly, the poster mentioned the OD was a little larger which in turn makes the stack a bit longer. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on June 01, 2019, 01:51:09 AM
The height of the washers was a little taller. Still working good. First shot after sitting all night was 15 fps higher out of the gate.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on June 02, 2019, 08:41:52 PM
Does anyone here own a Liberty in .177 and .22?  I'm curious to know the difference in shots per fill between the two. I looked online but couldn't find it anywhere.


I've come across two smoking deals on the Liberty in .177, though I was set on buying a 22 cal once they're back in stock at ATI.  If the .177 gets a significant number of more shots per fill than the 22,  I'll likely purchase it for primarily a backyard plinker. Then I'll  get the .22 later this year when squirrel season returns. If the shot count difference is negligible,  I'll just stick with the 22. 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 02, 2019, 08:43:47 PM
 Close to 2x the shot count with the .177, though a .22 could be tuned to match.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on June 04, 2019, 12:40:44 AM
The screws and  washers came in from McMaster Carr today. Super fast shipping!! Getting rid of the spring and replacing the two screws made a huge difference. I was not able to get a two stage trigger no matter what I did but I now have a very light trigger. Maybe around 1-1.5Lbs and is a huge improvement over what it was.

I plan on replacing the Bellevue washers this weekend if I have time. I will chronograph it before and after to see if it helps to maintain a more consistent FPS for me.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 04, 2019, 10:19:48 AM
The screws and  washers came in from McMaster Carr today. Super fast shipping!! Getting rid of the spring and replacing the two screws made a huge difference. I was not able to get a two stage trigger no matter what I did but I now have a very light trigger. Maybe around 1-1.5Lbs and is a huge improvement over what it was.

I plan on replacing the Bellevue washers this weekend if I have time. I will chronograph it before and after to see if it helps to maintain a more consistent FPS for me.
Let me know Zac, I also got my screws on Sunday, (I ordered on Friday) I was super impressed with the shipping, I didn't ordered the washers, but probably do... I'll improve the trigger even more, because that's my only complain so far!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on June 07, 2019, 10:48:12 PM
I plan on replacing the Bellevue washers this weekend if I have time. I will chronograph it before and after to see if it helps to maintain a more consistent FPS for me.

Looking forward to your results. Will be interesting to see if better quality of Bellevue washer makes a difference with tightening up the spread.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 08, 2019, 04:49:58 PM
Well, the PO finally decided to deliver my Liberty. PO Web site said that it was delivered Fri but there wasn't a pick up slip in my box so I had to ask for it. Like I said my po not so good$ !!!
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Post by: cosmic on June 08, 2019, 05:20:39 PM
Mine either !!!  USPS sent my last package priority mail and read a 7 as 1 so it went to Texas by the way of Pennsylvania !!  I proceeded to send it back to the exact person and the exact same place and now they don't know where is !! Tracking on USPS site stated the package will be arriving late ?!! Called my local and the postmaster said it went to Champaign , Il and tracking stopped after that..
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Post by: Madd Hatter on June 08, 2019, 09:25:39 PM
Hi everybody,

I just uploaded a video on how to improve the magazines. I hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/gx8DUr6_d-A (https://youtu.be/gx8DUr6_d-A)

Here's one from Haji showing how to make the mag less likely to damage the pellets.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcb_CA1mYPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcb_CA1mYPY)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 08, 2019, 09:45:30 PM
The Gauntlet mags are working so darned good in my "Freedom & Liberty" there's absolutely NO room for improvement in my opinion.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 09, 2019, 04:21:07 PM
It's just for accuracy that I posted Haji's vid. Alright guys, how in the he double hokey sticks do you get access to the stock screw in front of the trigger assy. ? I looks like there's a plastic cover over where it would be but I haven't been able to get the darn thing out. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on June 09, 2019, 06:37:45 PM
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1534234#msg1534234 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=149431.msg1534234#msg1534234)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 09, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
Thanks. I got the stock off but used a ball tipped 4mm driver in between the forgrip split. I guess I'll take a metal screw and drill a hole in the round plug and pull it out that way so I don't mare up the rest of the stock and just leave it out. What PITA!! I know why the had to do it that way. They wanted to use the butt stock on the Liberty and the Freedom.

I also think I fount the leak that Dairyboy said was around 600 psi in 24 hrs. The pressure bleed off screw tightens against a nylon ring. The end of the screw looked almost like it had been trimed to length with a hack saw and just touched up with a grinding wheel. Very ruff. I took a 5 or 6mm flanged nut, screwed the end of the screw until just about flush and used that to keep the screw vertical while I polished the end on some 1500 sand paper doing figure 8 s around and round we went! lol
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 10, 2019, 11:42:45 AM
The Gauntlet mags are working so darned good in my "Freedom & Liberty" there's absolutely NO room for improvement in my opinion.
For this reason I ordered 2 Gaunlet mags. The Liberty mags, are not that good.

Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 10, 2019, 11:46:53 AM
I haven't had any problems with mine double feeding or any other problems
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Post by: Orion on June 10, 2019, 12:10:38 PM
I haven't had any problems with mine double feeding or any other problems
The problem I saw was the spring inside, the bend that goes into the hole was too small and it kept getting out while under pressure. That's why on the video I added epoxy so it stays in place and doesn't go out, while doing that I added a bit more pressure. The marauder mags have multiple holes so you can adjust it... not that it was needed, but I think it help.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 10, 2019, 12:23:42 PM
I have been using the gauntlet mags without issues.  I wanted to not mix with the Mrod mags I have. 

As far as mag holders on the gun, I don’t like the rattling noise when loaded.  I prefer a muffled rattle in my pockets.  ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on June 10, 2019, 12:33:03 PM
I haven't had any problems with mine double feeding or any other problems
+1,  I have two Nova mags and two Gauntlet mags.  Zero problems with any of them.  The only time I get double feeding is when I cock it but don't quite lock the sear it ends up double feeding.  That is purely operator error.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 10, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
I just ordered 3 more .22 Gauntlet magazines from Buds Gun Shop @ only $6.71 each with $9 shipping they're less than $30 shipped 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on June 10, 2019, 12:35:35 PM
I have been using the gauntlet mags without issues.  I wanted to not mix with the Mrod mags I have. 

As far as mag holders on the gun, I don’t like the rattling noise when loaded.  I prefer a muffled rattle in my pockets.  ;)
Agreed.  I don't even like them in my pocket,  last week I was out for groundhogs with a mag in my pocket.  Can't help but think that will scare the critters away.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 10, 2019, 03:17:38 PM
I have been using the gauntlet mags without issues.  I wanted to not mix with the Mrod mags I have. 

As far as mag holders on the gun, I don’t like the rattling noise when loaded.  I prefer a muffled rattle in my pockets.  ;)
Agreed.  I don't even like them in my pocket,  last week I was out for groundhogs with a mag in my pocket.  Can't help but think that will scare the critters away.

They are definitely very skittish animals.  Only two got caught trespassing in my yard this spring.  ;)   Vegetation gives them the advantage for now, but the first hay cutting will be happening, soon. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on June 10, 2019, 08:20:39 PM
Liberty mags seem to have issues and my Mrod mags caused POI shift, but the Gauntlet mags work really well and don't cause any POI shift. At home, I mostly use the ss tray as it slows me down and accuracy is slightly better.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 10, 2019, 08:25:42 PM

Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
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 There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 10, 2019, 08:50:24 PM

Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.

 There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.

I think you are referring to Shorty's (GTA Member) 3D printed mag holders.  I have one for 25 mrod. 

I pulled it out of the drawer and tried to fit it on my Liberty's.  The sides holders hit on the stock.  You would have to trim about 1/8" or more, off of the bottom of the holder.   It can only go on the very front of the breech because of the side cocker and power adjuster. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on June 12, 2019, 07:04:43 PM
Did the guys ever get around to the bigger plenum? I forgot to mark the thread. Btw I’ve been chasing a slow leak. It may be at the poppet from what I can tell. Any helpful tips from those of you that have tackled the issue already?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 12, 2019, 07:33:00 PM

Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.
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Looks like Pappy Yosh is making them. https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nova-freedom-magazines-holder/#post-406390 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nova-freedom-magazines-holder/#post-406390)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 12, 2019, 11:37:58 PM

Quick question to the "Liberty Community" Any idea on how to do mags holders for this baby? I'm so used to my mags holders on my Taipan that not having them on my Liberty makes me really sad...I'm storing them on my pockets but sometimes I go prone to take shots and I'm afraid to damage them.
There was an Ebay seller that made a Marauder mag holder, that clamped on to the 11 mm scope rail, it could very well work on the Liberty/ Freedom. I will look after I eat if they are still for sale.

Looks like Pappy Yosh is making them. https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nova-freedom-magazines-holder/#post-406390 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/nova-freedom-magazines-holder/#post-406390)
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Thanks, will contact pappy
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 14, 2019, 09:15:24 AM
Hi All, I believe I have found a slug that works AMAZING in the the Nova Liberty. I did two days of testing at 100 yards 8-11 mph winds. shot 14 groups the first day and 4 groups the second day. 2nd day, every 5 shot group was 1" or better. The first day I shot a .76" 5 shot group and (3 times) .8" 5 shot groups and all the rest where around 1".

I will post a video of the details of my two day testing. I am 99.8% confident that I found a great slug for the nova liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on June 14, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
Hi All, I believe I have found a slug that works AMAZING in the the Nova Liberty.

I'm betting the cup base slug is the AMAZING pick.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 11:30:56 AM
Stephen!

I've tried the NSA and the results are not the best, but I'm really interested on this, I really would love to be able to shoot slugs for my Iguana hunting.

My Taipan Veteran is shooting the NSA 36 gr really well, but to get the best out of them I need to increase the power and I can only do much with the HST. Now, the Liberty is another story, I feel way more confident taking the Liberty apart than the Taipan.

The NSA 36gr has cup base, so I guess the ones that are doing better are the cup base.... I'll be waiting for your video anxiously
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Stikkershokk on June 14, 2019, 11:35:39 AM
I was going to guess 21 grain - looks like I'm a little light.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
I was going to guess 21 grain - looks like I'm a little light.
My Taipan is in .25, for the Liberty I tried the NSA 21 grins, but nahhhh didn't group well
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on June 14, 2019, 11:46:34 AM
Stephen, I have tried several different slugs through the Liberty without much success so I will be waiting patiently for another one of your outstanding videos to be released about these slugs. Thanks as usual.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 14, 2019, 11:49:24 AM
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 12:02:18 PM
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps
and those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on June 14, 2019, 12:04:27 PM
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps

I'm going to be nosy and ask: who is the maker of those slugs? Or where can I get some? Lol
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 14, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps
and those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile

Yes, I'm am making making them. Now that I know they work I will be offering them up on eBay or you can contact me directly. They will be available next week. I will price them competitively.

They will be under the name AVS SLUGS
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on June 14, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
Stephen...
Might want to post this in the Hobbyist Classified Gate.
Here's a link...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=194.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=194.0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 01:03:06 PM
My slugs are 22.2 grain, 23.2, 24.2 and 26 grain slugs. In .22 cal. The 24 grain were excellent even at 885fps but they shoot best at 920fps
and those are the ones you are doing with your new swage? I remember on your video you said that maybe you will capitalize on those, let me know if you have few for sale of your 24gr I want to test them vs big ol reptile

Yes, I'm am making making them. Now that I know they work I will be offering them up on eBay or you can contact me directly. They will be available next week. I will price them competitively.

They will be under the name AVS SLUGS

This is going to be awesome if they shoot well on my Liberty!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on June 14, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
Orion, I'll be in Pensacola next week. Any tip on Shot placement if using the liberty?

I would like to shoot slugs when I am done hot rodding the liberty Stephen
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 14, 2019, 05:08:14 PM
I'll definitely buy some of those from you Stephen, the slugs that I've been casting for my other .22's work excellent in them but they're too big for my Liberty and Freedom.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 11:21:05 PM
Orion, I'll be in Pensacola next week. Any tip on Shot placement if using the liberty?

I would like to shoot slugs when I am done hot rodding the liberty Stephen

For iguanas, aim to the eye, the brain is a hair behind the eye, I've never seen one surviving an eye shot yet, but I've seen walking away after a shot on the head, if moved a bit behind the brain, I'll be uploading a new video this weekend, I'm working on it, should be ready soon, and you will be able to see what I'm saying in that video.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 14, 2019, 11:23:34 PM
But I don't think you will find any Iguana in Pensacola, it's too far north
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 15, 2019, 01:07:41 PM
Stephen, I have tried several different slugs through the Liberty without much success so I will be waiting patiently for another one of your outstanding videos to be released about these slugs. Thanks as usual.

Hey Tom, Thanks. Yes just tried them again yesterday. just to confirm. A little more windy but still 1" 5 shot groups 4 more times.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on June 15, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
That is sweet Bro!  You have my mouth watering in anticipation! Can't wait for the video to be completed. If by chance you require a product tester I will gladly volunteer, but regardless I will be standing in line when they become available. Your persistence with the Liberty is commendable Sir! Thanks again, Tom
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 15, 2019, 03:58:14 PM
Well I did something I bet NO body has ever done before. LOL I wanted to chrono my Liberty to see if the new washers I installed in the reg worked any better. So I took the first shot, 624 f/s. Took my next shot, 630.7? OK, last shot, 642. Now I'm shooting CPP 14.3 gr and they should be doing around 890 or so, so thinking something is definitely wrong lol. Yep, there was something wrong, I was shooting .177 10.65 gr barracudas! lol DUH!!!! In my defence the lid wasn't on the tin as I was using it to hold the grub screws form the Liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on June 15, 2019, 04:51:53 PM
Well look on the bright side.... you didn't shoot your chrono.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 15, 2019, 05:29:12 PM
 Next time try a sabbot on the .177 pellet ;) LOL It has happened to me on occasion too   :-[
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on June 15, 2019, 06:39:25 PM
Those slugs sound very interesting Stephen. Put me on the list for some. I know for sure they will be field tested very well by you and your liberties. Chet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 15, 2019, 08:26:29 PM
Well look on the bright side.... you didn't shoot your chrono.
I don't think could survive another hit!! lol
Next time try a sabbot on the .177 pellet ;) LOL It has happened to me on occasion too   :-[
This is the first time I've had a ,22. I've always had a .177, at least since the early 90's. Well at least I'm not the only one and that makes me feel better. lol
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Post by: Stikkershokk on June 15, 2019, 08:28:32 PM
OUCH!    :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on June 16, 2019, 12:27:13 AM
I have been following this thread for a while and I recently bought a couple of Stormrider's and have been very, very impressed. I have been saving my bucks for a big ammo purchase and may throw in more cash to pick up a Liberty.

II this gun is everything everyone says it is, there really is no reason for me to own many of the guns I now own ... 50-60 solid shots using JSB Heavies at ~875fps or maybe Monsters around 800 fps area is just plain off the charts for me. This gun is really a crazy "Psycho Killer" POWERFUL - LARGE SHOT COUNT hunting gun.  This gun is something my Condors and Careers are not because of the # of shots is far less than this gun. My other general purpose hunting guns, don't come close to the power and # of shots this gun gets.  My Discos, Fortitudes, Maximus, etc, etc are all good guns, but the liberty really slings 'em.

Although the Stormrider does not have any where close to the shot count of the other guns mentioned ... it is really is no slouch in the power department .... hence the reason the last month+ it is the gun I take out on light hunting trips.

I will set back some more as I put more $ in my airgun piggy bank !!

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 16, 2019, 05:23:33 AM
William when I got my Freedom the hammer spring was the first thing that I backed off about a full turn.  I've been using this gun a lot recently, it's a little on the heavy side compared to my Airmax Dominator but walking through the woods is very easy with the pump handle.

                                               (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40874157933_096a3f1ec1_o.jpg)

I really lucked out on this one for $108 shipped. I should do another chrono test in the near future to see how it's doing because I do get a little plinking in with this gun.  When I keep it near the sweet spot it's extremely accurate.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 16, 2019, 07:31:27 AM
William,

I’m super happy with mine, but it’s important to note some pain points. (Liberty wood stock)

- After mounting the scope you will need a cheek raiser, the ergonomics of the stock is optimized for the open sights
- if you add a moderator (and I added one) it become too long
- after adding scope and bipod the gun will be heavy, I'm planning adding a sling to see if that helps while walking during the hunt
- pellet picky but good news is mine is doing great with cphp go figure!
- trigger needs work out of the box.

It looks like I dont like this rifle but it’s completely the opposite, I love this little giant. It put a smile on my face every time I shoot it. Just want to summarize the bad things given my experience so you know what to expect!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on June 16, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
Thank you guys for your advice, I get my "Parts Freedom" tomorrow, so maybe I will get a good one ;-  )

I'm waiting on July 4th sales to see what I can come up with, I know ATI at times has sales, so I will keep an eye out. Was planning on a big 2 type pellet buy, but may just get JSB Jumbo Heavies and not Monsters. ... The heavies work very well in my guns and have enough Poop for jackrabbit size critters with many of my 25+fpe at the muzzle guns, shooting the Freedom or Liberty in the 30fpe at the muzzle range, any game "I" go after on the desert floor is toast !

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 17, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
Here are the results of shooting my slugs out of the Nova Liberty at 100 yards.

https://youtu.be/CrVSzqlqbk4
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 17, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
 Stephen Awesome results there no way would a pellet stay tight with the winds you were shooting in. Im thumbs up #12 LOL  8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 18, 2019, 05:11:24 AM
Wow !!! Stephen those are some fantastic groups that you're getting with those slugs, a job well done for sure !!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 18, 2019, 08:44:51 AM
Wow !!! Stephen those are some fantastic groups that you're getting with those slugs, a job well done for sure !!!

Thanks Wayne! They are on the way.

BTW, I just read that the checker cab company were manufactured for sometime in Kalamazoo. There are two restored cabs in the Gilmore museum. Very cool. Last one was produced in 1982. I used to ride them in NYC.sorry I like useless trivia
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on June 18, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
Stephen, I hope the forum police likes your trivia's as I do. 🙃
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 18, 2019, 03:13:04 PM
Wow !!! Stephen those are some fantastic groups that you're getting with those slugs, a job well done for sure !!!

Thanks Wayne! They are on the way.

BTW, I just read that the checker cab company were manufactured for sometime in Kalamazoo. There are two restored cabs in the Gilmore museum. Very cool. Last one was produced in 1982. I used to ride them in NYC.sorry I like useless trivia
After the Checkers were done they made GM parts after that, they finally closed down and a lot of the guys got the shaft on their pension's, some people opted for a different pension several years before that and they made out good. I have one of the old Checker sweatshirts.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on June 18, 2019, 03:49:31 PM
Checkered sweatshirt? Isn't that called plaid?.... lol
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Stikkershokk on June 18, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
No, I think that would be called 'gingham'!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 18, 2019, 10:33:08 PM
Hmmm.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 18, 2019, 11:27:23 PM
I remember them. My Dad wanted to buy one for a long time because they were made so good.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 18, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
 I had an uncle that drove them as his everyday car, for hundreds of thousands of miles, unheard of for an american car back then.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 20, 2019, 12:15:10 AM
Just wanted to let you know that the slugs are on eBay under AVS_Slugs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 20, 2019, 12:27:18 AM
Looked for it but couldn't find it. You got a link?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 20, 2019, 12:37:57 AM
I also tried searching for them but nothing came up, Stephen I'll ship those pellets out tomorrow as soon as I figure out what to ship them in, I'm out of the JSB tins because I don't really buy them anymore because all I basically do is cast them now.  I might opt for a few small tins to put them in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 20, 2019, 11:07:19 AM
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped.  And they were sold out of CA, not NY.  Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 20, 2019, 11:31:29 AM
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped.  And they were sold out of CA, not NY.  Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.
I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 20, 2019, 12:05:14 PM
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped.  And they were sold out of CA, not NY.  Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.
I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones.

Yea, that was the 1st clue they weren’t his.  Then the CA location clinched it.  ;)

Look forward to seeing results with different Liberty and Freedom barrels. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 20, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
The CA slugs are probably Varmint knockers and the guys over in AGN love them. He's out of San Diego and does it one at a time like Stephen.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 20, 2019, 01:51:07 PM
The CA slugs are probably Varmint knockers and the guys over in AGN love them. He's out of San Diego and does it one at a time like Stephen.

Yes, that was the seller.  Must be referring to all those FX slug shooters on AGN.  I'm just dipping my toe into the slugs, and will go for the ones tested in a Liberty.  ;)   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 20, 2019, 02:11:59 PM
Found a similar one but they had the straight back vs cupped.  And they were sold out of CA, not NY.  Tried multiple different searches, but could not find them.
I seen those too John, Stephen tested those flat backed ones in his previous slug video and wasn't getting the accuracy like his cup based ones.

I just contacted EBAY and they told me it takes 36 hours for my listings to Index. Below are the titles and Item numbers.

22 CAL 24.2 GRAIN SWAGED AVS SLUGS PELLETS HOLLOW POINT CUP BASE 100 COUNT
Item ID: 401790736952· Qty: 35


22 CAL 26.1 GRAIN SWAGED AVS SLUGS PELLETS HOLLOW POINT CUP BASE 100 COUNT
Item ID: 401790737370· Qty: 20


22 CAL 23.2 GRAIN SWAGED AVS SLUGS PELLETS HOLLOW POINT CUP BASE 100 COUNT
Item ID: 401790737568· Qty: 35


22 CAL 22 GRAIN SWAGED AVS SLUGS PELLETS HOLLOW POINT CUP BASE 100 COUNT
Item ID: 401790737751· Qty: 35


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on June 20, 2019, 10:51:27 PM
I had the same problem trying to find the listing on E-Bay. Thanks for the explanation and the current infomation on the slugs. You have done an amazing job of making your liberty very accurate and a good long range shooter. Chet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 20, 2019, 10:58:32 PM
I'm going to try 22 grain ones in the morning at the state land, I just gotta make sure I bring along my single shot tray though because these probably wouldn't do too good in a magazine.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 21, 2019, 12:49:51 AM
I'm going to try 22 grain ones in the morning at the state land, I just gotta make sure I bring along my single shot tray though because these probably wouldn't do too good in a magazine.

Wayne, I have shot them out of the magazine with no issue. Try it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 21, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370)
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 21, 2019, 07:58:51 AM
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370)


Thx, order placed.  I haven't used ebay in a long time, but don't remember having to wait longer than overnight for the add to be searchable.  Ridiculous.
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Post by: Wayne52 on June 21, 2019, 08:08:04 AM
Steven I just put ten in a clip and they seem to be just fine in there, I kinda over slept and am getting a late start today but I'll definitely be trying them in the field today, I'll be using the 22 grainers, I love them adds on ebay you did, I'll bet these sell fast.  I personally use pure lead on all my casts.    Stephen I think you'll really like my cast stuff too, I noticed yesterday that the NOE 217-24-RF is still in stock which amazed me because of how fast they normally sell when in stock, that particular pellet (the lightest) is unreal for pellet accuracy but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the accuracy of my 28.2 grain slugs from my Airmax Dominator.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 21, 2019, 09:39:44 AM
Steven I just put ten in a clip and they seem to be just fine in there, I kinda over slept and am getting a late start today but I'll definitely be trying them in the field today, I'll be using the 22 grainers, I love them adds on ebay you did, I'll bet these sell fast.  I personally use pure lead on all my casts.    Stephen I think you'll really like my cast stuff too, I noticed yesterday that the NOE 217-24-RF is still in stock which amazed me because of how fast they normally sell when in stock, that particular pellet (the lightest) is unreal for pellet accuracy but I know it doesn't hold a candle to the accuracy of my 28.2 grain slugs from my Airmax Dominator.
Wayne, where is the mold in stock? In RotoMetal? Share link
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Termite on June 21, 2019, 10:20:14 AM
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all.  I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph.  Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 21, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all.  I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph.  Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!

Hey John, thanks for the idea. Yes, I will put together some sample packs. I waiting for lead supply to arrive. I should get my next supply next week. I will let you know as soon as they are ready.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 21, 2019, 04:15:27 PM
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all.  I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph.  Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!

Hey John, thanks for the idea. Yes, I will put together some sample packs. I waiting for lead supply to arrive. I should get my next supply next week. I will let you know as soon as they are ready.

I think this is a great idea!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 21, 2019, 05:18:46 PM
Stephen,
I watched your video and am very impressed, nice work! I don't have a Liberty yet but have several Freedoms. I bought several of the parts guns hoping to get one or two to function properly and have one for spare parts. As luck would have it that is what I got, two that pump up with a very slow leak and one that won't pump at all.  I'm thinking your slugs should perform as well in the Freedom as it does in the Liberty once I get it tuned using a chronograph.  Would it be possible to offer a sampler pack of 25 of each weight for guys to find which slug they like best? Thanks!

Hey John, thanks for the idea. Yes, I will put together some sample packs. I waiting for lead supply to arrive. I should get my next supply next week. I will let you know as soon as they are ready.
I'd love to try that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 21, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
Orion here's their link for the molds, they've also got a forum too, I joined soon after I started buying their molds. http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/ (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/)

Stephen I think that Rotometals is a great place to buy lead, last June I bought a split pig ingot that weighed 58lbs when I got it.  Also the BHN on my pellets was tested at 4.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 21, 2019, 05:43:47 PM
Stephen those 22 grain slugs shoot really nice, I didn't really have a rest when shooting and I was weebly wobbly shooting sitting on a log today.

I did pace it out and the distance was actually a little more than 50 yards, it was probably more like 55 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 21, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Stephen those 22 grain slugs shoot really nice, I didn't really have a rest when shooting and I was weebly wobbly shooting sitting on a log today.

I did pace it out and the distance was actually a little more than 50 yards, it was probably more like 55 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks)

Excuses excuses!! lol Tried to do a 20 or 30 shot shot string but only made it to 18 before I shot my china crono for the 6th time. lol Here's the results but I think the first 4 times I shot the crono has made it not so accurate. LMBO!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Termite on June 21, 2019, 07:45:56 PM
Stephen,
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on June 21, 2019, 07:51:39 PM
If anyone gets a chance to test a couple in some wet newsprint or line some milk jugs up and catch one. Be interesting to see how they open up.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 22, 2019, 01:31:36 AM
Stephen,
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ???  Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on June 22, 2019, 09:04:13 AM
Stephen,
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ???  Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals
While I do not cast my own pellets...yet,  I am much more impressed with the freedom than I would have ever imagined.
My Liberty had a bad barrel, but I swapped in the barrel from one of my parts Liberties and not I have a Liberty and a Freedom which are extraordinarily un-pellet picky!
That is Liberty and Freedom!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 22, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
Stephen,
Great, Thanks!!
Thanks for the video Wayne. Was that using your Freedom or Liberty?
My Freedom, the more that I shoot the Freedom the better I like it, who'da thunk I'd have that much freedom with a pcp ???  Not only the freedom that the gun delivers but also the freedom to cast as many pellets as I want at the price of pure lead from Rotometals

That is Liberty and Freedom!


The AMERICAN WAY!!!!! Hurah!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 22, 2019, 02:35:59 PM
Stephen those 22 grain slugs shoot really nice, I didn't really have a rest when shooting and I was weebly wobbly shooting sitting on a log today.

I did pace it out and the distance was actually a little more than 50 yards, it was probably more like 55 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAXIkcPFks)

I'm glad they feed well in the magazine. I also tried doing a 10 shot quick load with magazine. Worked well and no hang ups. Yes, rotometals is one of my suppliers thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 23, 2019, 07:39:30 AM
Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.

https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q

Awesome buddy!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Chester on June 23, 2019, 08:11:31 AM
Good shooting Orion!!!! That's what you need for those critters. Chet
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 23, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
 I have some of the Velocity slugs ordered , wonder if Orion could ship me some Iguanas to Wisconsin for slug testing  ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 23, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
Thank you James I hope they work as well for you as they do for me.

Wayne, wow! I received your cast pellets. They are the most beautiful pellets I have ever seen. The 23 grain have a nice long skirt which resembles the jsb monster redesigned. I bet the 23 grain have a higher BC than short skirt pellets. I can't wait to try them. My daughter thought your pellet where for making jewelry.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 23, 2019, 12:08:27 PM
Thank you James I hope they work as well for you as they do for me.

Wayne, wow! I received your cast pellets. They are the most beautiful pellets I have ever seen. The 23 grain have a nice long skirt which resembles the jsb monster redesigned. I bet the 23 grain have a higher BC than short skirt pellets. I can't wait to try them. My daughter thought your pellet where for making jewelry.

Thank you!

I really want to get my hands around that Noe in .25 to test with the Taipan... I saw this video and I really want to buy that but I don't find the mold in .25 in stock...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOM41gTPek&t=468s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOM41gTPek&t=468s)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 23, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
Orion I went and looked and the only .25 they have in stock are the wadcutters and that's not really what you want.  From what Bob said they recently had some production problems for a while but last I heard they're back in full swing and hopefully Al will be able to re-stock all the .22's and .25's soon.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Fwawa20 on June 23, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
Stephen,

Thanks just ordered a couple tins of slugs. Hope my rifle loves them as much as yours did.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 23, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
Frankie those slugs of Stephens are ideal for the ATI Liberty and Freedom, they work great in my Freedom.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 24, 2019, 10:14:10 AM
Maybe this comment deserves its own post, but I'm going to ask here.

One guy from Argentina was asking me if here in the USA we don't have yet the "Liberty in .25" he is telling me that in his country the rifle is known as the HP800 and it's the new big thing because the price and performance.

Any news on when are we going to have the .25? Anyone have asked Jenifer?  :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 24, 2019, 10:18:37 AM
I think that ATI has been asked that question and as of yet they aren't importing them, I think the the Senca Apsen will be available soon in .25 but don't know if they're doing Liberty's (Aspen is like the Freedom).
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 24, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
Maybe this comment deserves its own post, but I'm going to ask here.

One guy from Argentina was asking me if here in the USA we don't have yet the "Liberty in .25" he is telling me that in his country the rifle is known as the HP800 and it's the new big thing because the price and performance.

Any news on when are we going to have the .25? Anyone have asked Jenifer?  :)

I think Stephen started a thread about it, that clued many of us in about it.

I discussed with Ty a few weeks ago, about 25 Libertys.  While he thought it would be a good seller, he knew of no immediate plans to offer it.  Call or email them to keep up the pressure.

Even if ATI decides to order them, it will be months before they will have them to offer.   I suspect someone will purchase and ship one in, before that. 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 24, 2019, 10:36:40 AM
I think I'll keep my .22 for a while then. I kind of feel attached to this gun ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 24, 2019, 11:02:05 AM
I would be interested to hear from your Argentinian friend, what the reg set-point is, and if he knows if the plenum is larger. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 24, 2019, 11:27:20 AM
I would be interested to hear from your Argentinian friend, what the reg set-point is, and if he knows if the plenum is larger.

He just left a comment on one of my YouTube videos, you can ask him there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw&lc=z23nivnhhv2mv3h0eacdp43bc0wbai5xtfmegybwm4dw03c010c.1561349733238509&feature=em-comments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZhObzOEzYw&lc=z23nivnhhv2mv3h0eacdp43bc0wbai5xtfmegybwm4dw03c010c.1561349733238509&feature=em-comments)



Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on June 24, 2019, 10:54:06 PM
 Found this new member post also :)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=159027.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=159027.0)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 25, 2019, 07:38:22 PM
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370)


Thx, order placed.  I haven't used ebay in a long time, but don't remember having to wait longer than overnight for the add to be searchable.  Ridiculous.


I received them today and quickly burned through 30 of them, finishing off the air in the Liberty.   They look and measure very consistent.  Fit the gauntlet mag with just a little room left.  They feed better than the 21g BM.  At my current tune, the Liberty is only lobbing them at  730fps.   They were shooting one hole at 10yds, with one flyer out of the 1st 10 shot mag.   At 50 yds I consistently hit my 1.5" metal target. 

Time to up the power and get close to Stephen's 920fps to reach out to 100yds.  Need to clean some foliage out of my 100yd range, too.  Looking very good for my 1st time entering the slug game.  :)

FYI: I purchased the 24g slugs, and just order 4 more packs.  :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on June 26, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
Ok, still no response from eBay except that it takes 36 hours. So here are the links

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790736952)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737568)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737751)

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401790737370)


Thx, order placed.  I haven't used ebay in a long time, but don't remember having to wait longer than overnight for the add to be searchable.  Ridiculous.


I received them today and quickly burned through 30 of them, finishing off the air in the Liberty.   They look and measure very consistent.  Fit the gauntlet mag with just a little room left.  They feed better than the 21g BM.  At my current tune, the Liberty is only lobbing them at  730fps.   They were shooting one hole at 10yds, with one flyer out of the 1st 10 shot mag.   At 50 yds I consistently hit my 1.5" metal target. 

Time to up the power and get close to Stephen's 920fps to reach out to 100yds.  Need to clean some foliage out of my 100yd range, too.  Looking very good for my 1st time entering the slug game.  :)

FYI: I purchased the 24g slugs, and just order 4 more packs.  :)
I received 100 ea of 24 and 26 gr yesterday.  My Liberty is right around 40 FPE.  shot 5 of each at 30 yds and shot two keyholes.  Would have been tighter if I was on my game a little more.
Definitely tighter than the Varmint Knockers I have which actually arent't bad,   just not as good as these. (in my gun).
I can not wait to see them at 100 yds.  On a windy day last week the VMs were shooting 2" at 100 yds.  Not an ideal bench set up though.  I would guess they would do 1 1/2" or better.  I believe these will do better than that.
Very nice Steven.  Thank You
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 26, 2019, 01:18:02 PM

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I received 100 ea of 24 and 26 gr yesterday.  My Liberty is right around 40 FPE.  shot 5 of each at 30 yds and shot two keyholes.  Would have been tighter if I was on my game a little more.
Definitely tighter than the Varmint Knockers I have which actually arent't bad,   just not as good as these. (in my gun).
I can not wait to see them at 100 yds.  On a windy day last week the VMs were shooting 2" at 100 yds.  Not an ideal bench set up though.  I would guess they would do 1 1/2" or better.  I believe these will do better than that.
Very nice Steven.  Thank You
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I'm so glad to hear that. Your are the fifth person to say that they are working well. I think these slugs will be great for the ATI Nova Liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on June 26, 2019, 05:17:31 PM
Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.

https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q

Awesome buddy!

Hey Erlis, nice shooting! I guess they work OK. so, glad to hear that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 26, 2019, 05:50:55 PM
Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.

https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q

Awesome buddy!

Hey Erlis, nice shooting! I guess they work OK. so, glad to hear that.
They work really well! I need to test them at long range but that was a 40 yard and a 68 yard and the accuracy is perfect, on the 68 yard I see the slug hit exactly where I was aiming, and the funny thing was that I was aiming a bit low, but it didn't matter, the iguana dropped like a rock. I was tempted to open the iguana and see how the slug ended up but well, breakfast was heavy that day ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rick67 on June 26, 2019, 09:12:49 PM
Stephen, those slugs are hitting the iguanas hard. Yesterday I had the chance to test them and I did this quick clip to share it here.

https://youtu.be/q-2A4l_PD_Q

Awesome buddy!

Hey Erlis, nice shooting! I guess they work OK. so, glad to hear that.
They work really well! I need to test them at long range but that was a 40 yard and a 68 yard and the accuracy is perfect, on the 68 yard I see the slug hit exactly where I was aiming, and the funny thing was that I was aiming a bit low, but it didn't matter, the iguana dropped like a rock. I was tempted to open the iguana and see how the slug ended up but well, breakfast was heavy that day ;)

The airgun blast in slow motion sounds like a tuning fork, Orion  ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 27, 2019, 03:14:19 PM
The airgun blast in slow motion sounds like a tuning fork, Orion  ;D

That's because it's tuned :)  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 27, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
Piano tuner ????
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on June 27, 2019, 05:49:16 PM
Piano tuner ????

Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead.  ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on June 28, 2019, 07:16:04 AM
Piano tuner ????

Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead.  ;D
Lol, this was really funny!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on June 28, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
Piano tuner ????

Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead.  ;D
Lol, this was really funny!

I was hoping somebody besides me thought it was funny 😁
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on June 29, 2019, 08:10:54 AM
Piano tuner ????

Yea specifically to “Rock and Roll”. The slugs hit like a rock and you prey roll over dead.  ;D
Lol, this was really funny!

I was hoping somebody besides me thought it was funny 😁
Highlight of my day.... so far. ;D
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Post by: Wayne52 on June 29, 2019, 08:36:58 AM
For anyone that hasn't tried Stephens slugs in the .22 Freedom's they're a heck of a good slug in these guns, accurate and they work fantastic in the magazine.  That was one thing that I was unsure of when I first went out shooting them was whether or not the slugs would stay in the mags good, Stephen did post that he had good luck with them in the mags and my experience is the same.
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Post by: Orion on June 29, 2019, 10:46:20 AM
For anyone that hasn't tried Stephens slugs in the .22 Freedom's they're a heck of a good slug in these guns, accurate and they work fantastic in the magazine.  That was one thing that I was unsure of when I first went out shooting them was whether or not the slugs would stay in the mags good, Stephen did post that he had good luck with them in the mags and my experience is the same.
Wayne, I was shooting with them on the mags and no problem at all so far
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Post by: wll2506 on June 30, 2019, 04:09:52 PM
I have been lurking on this thread for a while, while seeing every video I could on this gun. I have a Nova Freedom parts gun that is now working like a champ, has more power and accuracy than a gun at this price point should have for sure.

Because of this and all the things I have seen about the Liberty I going to buy 2 of them on Tuesday !

Yes, my airgun collection is getting out of hand, so I do need to get rid of the guns that aren't cutting the mustard .... Some of my general barrel cockers need to hit the road as well as a few others. I think I'll be getting the standard plastic stock version, just because I really don't need fancy-schmancy on a hunting gun, as well as $50.00 cheaper per gun. And when you are buying two that ads up, even with the "HardAirMagazine" discount.

I have been planning this for a little while, so I already have the cases and the scopes and stuff. I'm just guessing but I think JSB Jumbo Heavies will work fine in both guns. Both guns will be tuned pretty much the same, shooting the JSB heavies in the 850+ fps area for maybe 35-40 shots or so .. I will have to see !

Not to hijack a Liberty thread, but the Freedom is a darn good gun and if the Liberty is anything like the Freedom ... I'll be very happy.

You guys keep posting about your experiences with the Liberty, and please excuse my brief interruption ;-  )

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 30, 2019, 04:57:07 PM
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.
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Post by: wll2506 on June 30, 2019, 08:06:35 PM
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.

I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.

I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?

wll
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Post by: huklbery on June 30, 2019, 10:23:21 PM
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.

I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.

This configuration simply change to reg (1/4 turn) and .100 washers behind hammer spring jumped the stock 26ftlbs to the sweet JSB 18.1 900 fps 30ftlbs


I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?

wll

The port I drilled to .186 but it only gave me a 1-2ftlb boost.  I would concentrate on hammer spring & upping the reg.  Not to be ignored simply swapping the set screw and cap screw position behind the trigger blade went from 3.5lb to 2.25lb pull brilliant hunting carry vs Benchrest configuration.   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 30, 2019, 11:05:29 PM
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.

I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.

I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?

wll

Bill Rohlom, I believe that's his name, is prototyping a larger penum for these guns which actually should them more efficient. I believe Stephen is getting around 60 to 70 shot on a fill from around 3600 psi with the reg turned up 1/4 turn, TP drilled out to 3/16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3mL-8LZB4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G3mL-8LZB4)

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on June 30, 2019, 11:16:53 PM
The max that I'll drill a TP port to is 80% of the bore, there's really no need for more IMO.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on July 01, 2019, 12:29:18 AM
The Liberty can be tuned more than the freedom. The freedom has a hammer spring adj, the liberty has to have the hammer spring adj using shims but, it has an adj reg which can be adj without disassembling the rifle. You just need to vent all of the pressure to adj it. Some will say that you can turn the reg pressure up with it pressurized but I just vent all of the pressure before I make a reg change. Remember, it doesn't have a pmp which I'm sure you already know and hand pumping while can be done is a lot of work as the reservoir is about 4 times larger than the freedom.

I plan on keeping pressure to about 3800 psi and setting the regulator to about 2400 psi, hoping I get about 850psi + with JSB Heavies ? I will open the barrel port to .173+ also, if I don’t get at least 25 - 30 shots I will fill to a higher pressure till I get it.

This configuration simply change to reg (1/4 turn) and .100 washers behind hammer spring jumped the stock 26ftlbs to the sweet JSB 18.1 900 fps 30ftlbs


I wonder how many pumps it takes to go from about 2500 psi to 3600 psi on a Chinese pump ?

wll

The port I drilled to .186 but it only gave me a 1-2ftlb boost.  I would concentrate on hammer spring & upping the reg.  Not to be ignored simply swapping the set screw and cap screw position behind the trigger blade went from 3.5lb to 2.25lb pull brilliant hunting carry vs Benchrest configuration.   

That is exactly what I'm talking about  :-) I would love that kind of speed with that pellet !!!!

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on July 01, 2019, 09:54:34 AM
 I spent the weekend sending 100 of Stephans 26.1 gr slugs down range with my .22 Liberty at 650-660 fps, topped off the gun once. I kind of like the slower speed I can watch the slug gracefully fly to its mark.
 I was thinking of upping the power, but the slugs lose very little down range energy I may just keep it where it is at, a low speed back yard slug gun, with the option to send pellets as fast as they can stay stable.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 01, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
I spent the weekend sending 100 of Stephans 26.1 gr slugs down range with my .22 Liberty at 650-660 fps, topped off the gun once. I kind of like the slower speed I can watch the slug gracefully fly to its mark.
 I was thinking of upping the power, but the slugs lose very little down range energy I may just keep it where it is at, a low speed back yard slug gun, with the option to send pellets as fast as they can stay stable.

Wow, I wouldn't think they would be OK at 660fps but that is good to hear. My next range day testing I will try various velocities @ 100 yards to see if they can do better.

Thanks
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on July 01, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
I spent the weekend sending 100 of Stephans 26.1 gr slugs down range with my .22 Liberty at 650-660 fps, topped off the gun once. I kind of like the slower speed I can watch the slug gracefully fly to its mark.
 I was thinking of upping the power, but the slugs lose very little down range energy I may just keep it where it is at, a low speed back yard slug gun, with
the option to send pellets as fast as they can stay stable.

Wow, I wouldn't think they would be OK at 660fps but that is good to hear. My next range day testing I will try various velocities @ 100 yards to see if they can do better.

Thanks

Stephen- do you think your Liberty will enable you to find the max and minimum for all the weights of your slugs? It sounds like a lot of testing to do.
Time to ask for volunteers?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 01, 2019, 02:05:50 PM
It would depend on the tune of the Liberty and the individual rifle. I will be testing the 4 different weights Stephen sells in my Liberty and will post the results. It may end up being a little while as the temperature is in the high 90s and going into the triple digits starting next week for the next 3 months.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 01, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.

I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.

Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 01, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.

I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.

Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Remember, women are from Venus and men are from Mars and what are the temps like on those planets? lol
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 01, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.

I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.

Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 01, 2019, 10:09:18 PM
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.

I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.

Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?

I do not know the exact BC but my next outting I will buy a second chrony and measure the velocity at the muzzle and down range and do the calculation.
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Post by: darkcharisma on July 01, 2019, 11:34:01 PM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 01, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
Yes, I will find time to test all 4 weights. Since I have an easy to adjust hammer spring adjuster it should not be too bad to do. I will also test shooting the slugs into water jugs to see how they expand. Maybe even try some penetration tests.

I'll post a video as soon as the testing is complete.

Robert, I'm looking forward to see your results. Stay cool. I hate shooting when the weather is above 90. It takes me a little to get used to the hot weather. I prefer 30 degrees Fahrenheit over 90.
Hey Stepen, do you have any idea what the BC is on your slugs??? I wonder if the BC would compare to the cast slugs that are the same wt?

I do not know the exact BC but my next outting I will buy a second chrony and measure the velocity at the muzzle and down range and do the calculation.
Cool , which weight slug did you find worked best in your Liberty?
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 02, 2019, 11:38:48 PM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.

I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.

Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 02, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
Stephen did you ever get a chance to shoot the pellets I sent ???
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 03, 2019, 12:39:52 AM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.

I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.

Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
Thanks!

You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 03, 2019, 05:58:27 AM
Stephen did you ever get a chance to shoot the pellets I sent ???

Wayne, I have not gotten a chance to get to the range. But I will. There so pretty I just stare at them every now and again. I can see that if smoothness and uniformity count for make a diabolo pellet fly straight then your pellets are going to be great. I will film my results.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 03, 2019, 06:00:28 AM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.

I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.

Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
Thanks!

You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.

Could it be that the liberty has a different balance?
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 03, 2019, 06:07:13 AM
That's great Stephen I've never seen what they'd do on a range except for some groups of other people casting their own, Bob Sterne has shown the best so far but most of his seem to be the bigger bores recently, they're the same basic pellet designs but just bigger.  There are a couple of people that tried them in their FX's and Daystate also, they said they were really shooting excellent but no targets.  At one time there were a bunch of us that would go shooting at a gravel pit on a friends place and we had targets and different distances but he's passed on and that's now a thing of the past.  Now days I shoot mainly dead trees in the woods for plinking but don't have the convenience of rests out there like a person has on a range.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 03, 2019, 09:37:27 AM
That's great Stephen I've never seen what they'd do on a range except for some groups of other people casting their own, Bob Sterne has shown the best so far but most of his seem to be the bigger bores recently, they're the same basic pellet designs but just bigger.  There are a couple of people that tried them in their FX's and Daystate also, they said they were really shooting excellent but no targets.  At one time there were a bunch of us that would go shooting at a gravel pit on a friends place and we had targets and different distances but he's passed on and that's now a thing of the past.  Now days I shoot mainly dead trees in the woods for plinking but don't have the convenience of rests out there like a person has on a range.

I too wish I had a closer range to go to but It is what it is. I'm going to try for this Friday as the winds are supposed to be 7 mph which is great for diabolo pellets. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Post by: Wheelman on July 03, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
My .22 Liberty has developed a leak so I'm looking to buy a package of o-rings.
I thought I'd seen a post somewhere stating that ATI was offering such a thing but I couldn't find it on their site and now I can't find the post here.
Did I imagine it? 
If not would someone point me in the correct direction.

BTW: The leak manifests as a leak down from any pressure above ~2500psi down to that level in a day or so and then it either stops or leaks so slow its hard to detect.  Any thoughts on whether this is an o-ring or maybe the reg or poppet?  I have 4 or 5 hundred rounds through the rifle so it's essentially just broke in, but has been accurate from the start.
I did have a leak a few months ago that was the o-ring at the junction of the reservoir to the regulator block, disassembly, o-ring lube and reassembly resolved it, at least for a while, this leak may be at the same spot.

Thanks
Wheelman
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 03, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.

I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.

Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
Thanks!

You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.

Could it be that the liberty has a different balance?
Not sure if that's the case or I'm just remembering wrong. It's been so hot and or windy it's been inposible to do any shooting.
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Post by: wll2506 on July 03, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
Waiting on Jennifer as I have a few questions ... Soon as I hear from her the order is placed ;-  )

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on July 03, 2019, 07:26:36 PM
Don't shoot your down range chrony Stephen.

I plan to place a small piece of Plexi glass in front of the chrony. I have shot my camera once.

Robert, so far it seems that the 23 grain did the best. But they all work very well.
Thanks!

You know, even with the new valve and the HS shimmed my Liberty and the barrel from my freedom which has the TP opened to 3/16 and is polished with JB still doesn't seem to kick as much as my freedom and all I've done to my freedom is have the HS 1 turn out from bottomed which it came from the MFG only 1 1/2 turns out from bottomed.

Could it be that the liberty has a different balance?
Not sure if that's the case or I'm just remembering wrong. It's been so hot and or windy it's been impossible to do any shooting.
Well, after doing a couple of shot strings I can definitely say this rifle has some serious kick. It had a peak of 38.4 ftlbs with CPHP at 14.3 g and 43.8 with H&N 21.14 g Barracudas. It wouldn't do very good with the pressure above 3200 psi also.
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Post by: Back_Roads on July 03, 2019, 07:34:35 PM
 Adding a small washer or two behind the hammer spring will give you quite a boost in power at the higher fill pressures. It will change where the sweet spot is through a full air charge shot string.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 03, 2019, 07:43:58 PM
I did add a shim but it still doesn't get much vel until it gets down to 3200. Above that it's just like a normal Liberty
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Post by: Orion on July 04, 2019, 07:37:00 AM
I did add a shim but it still doesn't get much vel until it gets down to 3200. Above that it's just like a normal Liberty

It looks to me you might have a serious regulator creep, the higher the pressure the higher the creep and the harder will be to open the valve, causing the velocity to drop initially when the pressure is high, this will improve when the pressure is not as much as to cause too much creep. Your gun is behaving as a non regulated one.

My advice, first remove the reg and make sure you don't have any debris in the delrin seal.

If that doesn't work. You might need a new regulator
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 04, 2019, 08:24:45 AM
I did add a shim but it still doesn't get much vel until it gets down to 3200. Above that it's just like a normal Liberty

Robert, as Erlis points out your gun seems to be behaving like an unregulated gun. It's possible your regulator is just set too high. Try lowering the brass reg wheel a few notches untill you get constant shoot string. At that point you should be able to figure out your regulator pressure set point.

The last thing to do if you want to get to 50 fpe is the Dremel out the valve to a 45 degree angle and polish. Nice work!
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 04, 2019, 01:13:08 PM
I already did lower the reg back to original. I had turned it up 1/4 turn and I'm sure it was too much. I'm probably going to have to turn it down even more but want to test it first. Duy's valve really woke this rifle up and I can see the settings you used Stephen won't work with his valve.
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Post by: Fwawa20 on July 05, 2019, 11:46:16 AM
Stephen slugs did really well  at 50yds for me. My groups were consistently under half inch. Hope to stretch her out to 100 plus at the farm. I’m shooting the 24gr version.
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Post by: Back_Roads on July 05, 2019, 12:13:03 PM
 I just ordered 4 more of the 26.1gr. and a couple of the 24.2 to test next.

 Amazing slugs for the Nova Freedom and the Liberty, I have yet to try in other .22 rifles as of yet, Prod and AT44, and Maximus will be the other guns I will test them in.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 05, 2019, 09:56:05 PM
Hey guys I'm so glad that these are working well, even in the Freedom. I guess the Liberty and Freedom have the same barrel.

Hope you all had a great Independence Day!

 So my brother asked me what I'm doing with the Airguns. So, I told him, trying to be funny, "I compress Plumbum into an areodynamic vessel for use in air velocity thrusters". He said, "what?" I replied, " I make Airgun slugs"
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 05, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
I already did lower the reg back to original. I had turned it up 1/4 turn and I'm sure it was too much. I'm probably going to have to turn it down even more but want to test it first. Duy's valve really woke this rifle up and I can see the settings you used Stephen won't work with his valve.

Robert, what you think makes Duy's valve not respond to the regulator settings the same way as a stock valve? Just trying to understand.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 05, 2019, 10:45:24 PM
Well, I used your latest settings of 1/4 turn CC on the reg and a shim stack of .100 and when I went to pressurize my Liberty back up the only way to get it to hold air was cocking the rifle. When I shot the rifle the vel. kept raising as the pressure fell and got the most power at around 2500 psi. I'm almost thinking I need to put the rifle back to stock and go from there. Don't really know as this is the first PCP I've tried to tune.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 06, 2019, 06:56:01 AM
Well, I used your latest settings of 1/4 turn CC on the reg and a shim stack of .100 and when I went to pressurize my Liberty back up the only way to get it to hold air was cocking the rifle. When I shot the rifle the vel. kept raising as the pressure fell and got the most power at around 2500 psi. I'm almost thinking I need to put the rifle back to stock and go from there. Don't really know as this is the first PCP I've tried to tune.

Robert, If the velocity increases as the pressure falls and your peak velocity is at 2500 psi, it means your hammer spring tension is balanced at 2500psi. But that still does not tell where your reg is set at or if you are using air most efficiently. You may find that your getting a similar velocity at 2300 psi with the current HST. If so that tells you what pressure is most efficient for the current HST but not where your reg is set.

I have my guns set somewhere around 2500psi as well but my shot string stay pretty consistent until my tube manometer reads 2500psi then velocity falls off. This tells me where my reg is set.

Yes, I agree I would start with the reg set at the low side then work upwards from there to set your desired reg pressure. You may have to do several shot strings to figure it out.

If you lower the reg then you can lower the HST to match and be balanced (or make the most efficient use of air). but during testing I would leave the HST tension relatively higher if you are trying to max out the FPE.

Hope that makes sense.
   
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 06, 2019, 11:38:26 AM
Yes it does. I am beginning to thing the reg isn't sealing right or when I canged out the wave washers to the ones I bought from McMaster Carr is coming up with a different stack hight and putting more pressure on the reg stem. I think I need to go a 1/4 clock wise from stock and see what that does and also chech to see if the sealing surface is smooth. The more I think about it the more I am conviced the reg is not funtioning right. I also really think I need to make one of those fancy hs adj like you made and stop having to remove the stock everytime I want to adj it. It is to bad that Nova did not just use the adj from the freedom on the liberty. Heck,they could have used the exact same butt stock between the two rifles saving on part numbers.
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Post by: cosmic on July 06, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Duy changed mine to the mcmasters and lost velocity. Does the hammer adjuster from the freedom fit the liberty?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 06, 2019, 01:00:46 PM
Not sure, I guess I could check as I have both.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on July 06, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
I wanted to let you know I made 12 set of sample packs available on ebay. 25 of each weight of slugs, in case anyone is interested.

Robert and Ray, It sounds like the mcMaster-Carr belleville washers might be a little off for use in the liberty regulator. Try switching back and see if that corrects the problem. ALso, try to measure the thickness of the belleville washers from McMaster-Carr and compare to stock.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 06, 2019, 06:22:28 PM
I'll measure the thickness of the stock washer and the McMaster ones. I turned the reg down a quarter of a turn from original but it is just to hot right now to do any testing. I also have to be real careful when I use my compressor as I only have 1 more burst disks left until the end of July, beginning of August.
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 06, 2019, 06:27:11 PM
When I tried the recommended washers for my Airmax Dominator the stack was shorter than what the originals were, I think maybe if I had added another 2-4 washers the height would have been closer but I never tried due to the fact that the spring action of the stack would probably have been a lot different.  If you have enough flat washers the same ID/OD you could try adding enough to equal the same height when stacked. as the originals, it's gonna do more than it did to begin with for sure and probably close to what it was.  At least this way you'll have good control of adjustment.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 07, 2019, 02:16:03 AM
I'll measure the thickness of the stock washer and the McMaster ones. I turned the reg down a quarter of a turn from original but it is just to hot right now to do any testing. I also have to be real careful when I use my compressor as I only have 1 more burst disks left until the end of July, beginning of August.
I measured the washers and they're the same thickness but I think the material is stiffer which would make sense as it seems as if the reg is set way higher than 2500. It was probably closer to 3000 or even higher when you stop and think about when the pressure got down in the upper 2000's my velocity jumped because the pressure was below where the reg was regulating to and the hammer spring tension was to the point where it was strong enough to over come the pressure. I know my Aspen is like that, it's sweet spot is right around 3000 psi with the hammer spring adj 1 turn out from bottomed. The velocity is lower if the pressure is higher. Sure wish I had a pressure gauge on the plenum. It would make this all a heck of a lot easier.
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 07, 2019, 04:59:06 AM
Personally I won't change a thing with the regulator on my Liberty because I'm content for it the way it is.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/47541215152_f88aa38470_b.jpg)

I'm not sure if Stephen ever tried any other washers in his but I seem to remember him smoothing the originals out but I could be wrong.
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Post by: Stikkershokk on July 07, 2019, 10:04:36 PM
Cute stock. That stamped, or rolled-on checkering would be fun to checker over (or is it INTO?)

I’ve not practiced in a long time, and this one still isn’t done, but having a good layout on the gunstock makes it so much easier. From scratch and by hand is a B1+%#!!
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Post by: nervoustrigger on July 08, 2019, 08:54:21 PM
A question for you guys who've had the regulator apart...is there an obvious vent in the receiver block that vents the regulator?  Or does it vent back through the threads?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 08, 2019, 10:01:36 PM
Mine has a vent hole.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on July 09, 2019, 12:20:22 AM
Thank you Robert!
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 09, 2019, 12:28:55 AM
Mine has a vent hole.
Yep mine too, I've tried McMaster Carr washers in mine but the stack wasn't enough to get good adjustment with so I went back to the originals, the originals in all reality work just fine on mine, I just wanted to see whether the suggested washer's (another source) would work any better and basically the ones that were recommended didn't work at all.
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Post by: wll2506 on July 09, 2019, 12:29:28 AM
Personally I won't change a thing with the regulator on my Liberty because I'm content for it the way it is.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/47541215152_f88aa38470_b.jpg)

I'm not sure if Stephen ever tried any other washers in his but I seem to remember him smoothing the originals out but I could be wrong.

I very well will try to get a good shot count with 21gr slugs going out at around 825fp+ and go from there. If I can't get the speed I want I will go with 18.13gr JSB's in the 850-875+ area. The other option I have is with Monsters, I have no idea what there velocity will be.

wll
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Post by: Wayne52 on July 09, 2019, 12:33:14 AM
OOoops I was thinking of the wrong gun on my last post ??? I was thinking about my Airmax Dominator, a whole different type of regulator than my Liberty.  Actually the regs on the Liberty seem to work just fine.
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Post by: Termite on July 12, 2019, 10:49:14 AM
I made some time this morning to get to know my $100 Freedom parts gun a little better. It would pump up but not hold pressure over night so I lubed the heck out of it with silicon oil and now it holds pressure forever, or at least 2 weeks since I last pumped it up. I also had a chance to use my Clamp On Velocity Meter. It's nice to finally know how fast the pellets are coming out. I adjusted the hammer screw all the way in then backed it out one full turn. I was shooting 14.3 gr CPHP . First shot came out at 1214 fps and definitely was not back yard friendly so I backed it out until the velocity was around 900 fps. Still not back yard friendly, lol.

I want to give a big Thank You to Stephen! I received his AVS Sampler pack of slugs and got to try them at 25 yds this morning, I know they are designed for longer distances but that's as far as I can shoot in my shop. I shot three 26.1 gr slugs at 900 fps and stopped there, it was one ragged hole. I want to save the rest to try them at longer distances. If my math is correct that's almost 47 FPE. The AVS slugs are amazing!
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Post by: Orion on July 12, 2019, 11:59:29 AM
I made some time this morning to get to know my $100 Freedom parts gun a little better. It would pump up but not hold pressure over night so I lubed the heck out of it with silicon oil and now it holds pressure forever, or at least 2 weeks since I last pumped it up. I also had a chance to use my Clamp On Velocity Meter. It's nice to finally know how fast the pellets are coming out. I adjusted the hammer screw all the way in then backed it out one full turn. I was shooting 14.3 gr CPHP . First shot came out at 1214 fps and definitely was not back yard friendly so I backed it out until the velocity was around 900 fps. Still not back yard friendly, lol.

I want to give a big Thank You to Stephen! I received his AVS Sampler pack of slugs and got to try them at 25 yds this morning, I know they are designed for longer distances but that's as far as I can shoot in my shop. I shot three 26.1 gr slugs at 900 fps and stopped there, it was one ragged hole. I want to save the rest to try them at longer distances. If my math is correct that's almost 47 FPE. The AVS slugs are amazing!

question, you were shooting the 14.3gr at 900 and then to test the slugs you changed the HST again so you could get your 26.1gr to 900 again? I think I missed that part.
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Post by: Termite on July 12, 2019, 05:35:03 PM
question, you were shooting the 14.3gr at 900 and then to test the slugs you changed the HST again so you could get your 26.1gr to 900 again? I think I missed that part.

I didn't change the setting and on the first shot, it actually was at 950 fps, then I turned it out 1/4 turn to get it back down to 900 fps. Keep in mind I was using the Clamp On Velocity Meter from China that was posted in the Bargain Gate so I'm not positive the readings are accurate. One peculiar thing I've found with my Freedom, my first one or two shots will be lower fps then the next one or two then back down again. A couple of weeks ago I was shooting the 14.3 gr CPHP at 45 yds and the velocity readings matched what I saw on the target. I'd get two high then two low. The only thing I can think of is that I may have put too much silicon oil in and it's working it's way out one shot at a time :D

I pumped it up to 3000 psi and by the 4th shot the reg was down around 2200 psi. It's kind of hard to know exactly what psi you have with the itty bitty gauge face. So at 900 fps it's really using up a lot of air per shot.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 12, 2019, 09:05:40 PM
I made some time this morning to get to know my $100 Freedom parts gun a little better. It would pump up but not hold pressure over night so I lubed the heck out of it with silicon oil and now it holds pressure forever, or at least 2 weeks since I last pumped it up. I also had a chance to use my Clamp On Velocity Meter. It's nice to finally know how fast the pellets are coming out. I adjusted the hammer screw all the way in then backed it out one full turn. I was shooting 14.3 gr CPHP . First shot came out at 1214 fps and definitely was not back yard friendly so I backed it out until the velocity was around 900 fps. Still not back yard friendly, lol.

I want to give a big Thank You to Stephen! I received his AVS Sampler pack of slugs and got to try them at 25 yds this morning, I know they are designed for longer distances but that's as far as I can shoot in my shop. I shot three 26.1 gr slugs at 900 fps and stopped there, it was one ragged hole. I want to save the rest to try them at longer distances. If my math is correct that's almost 47 FPE. The AVS slugs are amazing!

This is some shot strings I did with my aspen aka freedom.  I used the tripod chinese version of the crono. I guess I should try to repeat these shot strings with my Calwell crono and compare. Of course I can't repeat the shot strings with the chicom crono as I've killed it with the last time I shot it. Took 6 shots to kill so tough little thing.
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Post by: wll2506 on July 13, 2019, 05:31:48 PM
OK boys, how do I take off the plastic stock on my Liberty ?

I'm trying to get to my trigger guard screw that helps hold the gun in the stock. The plate on the bottom needs to be removed, but I don't want to bugger it all up.

Will removing the two screws on one side panel and the sling swivel do it ?

wll
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Post by: cosmic on July 13, 2019, 08:10:34 PM

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I got it!!!! FINALLY. After dillon said it was 2 pieces i took another look. So the forearm is 2 halves held by the front swivel stud & 2 allen screws on the side of stock. When i spread them apart it felt like i was going to break some tabs but i got both sides off without anything breaking. Did i mention i hate taking plastic apart!! Anyway right in front of the trigger guard there is a rectangular cut out with a circle in the middle. I used a jewelers screwdriver & drove it in at the seam of the circle. It a long plug with an allen bolt under it. Unscrewing that just takes the rectangular piece off. Then you will see another allen bolt going right into the action. Remove that & the buttstock comes off. This setup looks like a lot more work then if they just used a regular stock with a drop in action, but they must have their reasons. So know we know how to get the stock off. Now if someone wants to dig in the trigger & let me know what to do i would appreciate it. I am not familiar with working on triggers so i will leave that up to you guys. It looks like 2 allen screws & the trigger group  drops out of a housing. I would like to get my trigger down to 1 lb or less. BTW i am leaving the plug out as it serves no purpose except to cover the screw hole.
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Post by: cosmic on July 13, 2019, 08:13:26 PM
Pat figured it out awhile ago..
         I got it!!!! FINALLY. After dillon said it was 2 pieces i took another look. So the forearm is 2 halves held by the front swivel stud & 2 allen screws on the side of stock. When i spread them apart it felt like i was going to break some tabs but i got both sides off without anything breaking. Did i mention i hate taking plastic apart!! Anyway right in front of the trigger guard there is a rectangular cut out with a circle in the middle. I used a jewelers screwdriver & drove it in at the seam of the circle. It a long plug with an allen bolt under it. Unscrewing that just takes the rectangular piece off. Then you will see another allen bolt going right into the action. Remove that & the buttstock comes off. This setup looks like a lot more work then if they just used a regular stock with a drop in action, but they must have their reasons. So know we know how to get the stock off. Now if someone wants to dig in the trigger & let me know what to do i would appreciate it. I am not familiar with working on triggers so i will leave that up to you guys. It looks like 2 allen screws & the trigger group  drops out of a housing. I would like to get my trigger down to 1 lb or less. BTW i am leaving the plug out as it serves no purpose except to cover the screw hole.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on July 13, 2019, 08:37:27 PM
I went thru the same thing and just ended up leaving the round plug out so I could get to the front bolt. The thing that gets me is it's basically the same as the freedoms rear stock and where the plug and rectangular piece is is where the pump handle tucks up in the stock. Kind of not worthy that they didn't put the hole in the back so if you made a HS adj you could accesses it. sigh! Drill here I come. Gotta have that HS adj.
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Post by: wll2506 on July 13, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
I went thru the same thing and just ended up leaving the round plug out so I could get to the front bolt. The thing that gets me is it's basically the same as the freedoms rear stock and where the plug and rectangular piece is is where the pump handle tucks up in the stock. Kind of not worthy that they didn't put the hole in the back so if you made a HS adj you could accesses it. sigh! Drill here I come. Gotta have that HS adj.

Can the stock be left on and the round cap just drilled out, and then the stock screw be taken out ?

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on July 13, 2019, 10:40:32 PM
If you drill out the round piece you still have to remove the plate that the screw under the round piece holds. It's NOT a very good design as the plate piece and the bolt that holds the stock on should've been the same one.
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Post by: wll2506 on July 14, 2019, 12:19:59 AM
If you drill out the round piece you still have to remove the plate that the screw under the round piece holds. It's NOT a very good design as the plate piece and the bolt that holds the stock on should've been the same one.

So I can't just drill it down to the bottom and get to the stock screw ? boy oh boy this sounds like a real cluster. If a hole is drilled can something be put in to pull that round plug out ?

I took the screws out and the sling screw, but when expanding them I know the plastic tabs will break off ... just like they did on my Freedom, but the Freedom is OK ;- )

Does anyone have a picture of how that round plug fits in that piece ?

Can I drill a small hole and put in a drywall screw and pull the plug out ?

wll
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Post by: darkcharisma on July 14, 2019, 01:35:23 AM
i used a knife to pry it out. i threw it away afterwards. needless scrap.

if you drill and pull with a screw. might as well junk it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on July 15, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
Well I pulled the plug out added another .050 to the shim width and put her back together ... she went from 775fps with JSB Heavies to ~930 fps. To say that I'm flabbergasted at the performance would be an understatement for sure.

Wow, what a gun !!

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on July 15, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
If it bothers you not having the plug, go to the auto parts store and ask them to match it up....
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Post by: wll2506 on July 15, 2019, 07:27:17 PM
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.

My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?

Any ideas ?

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on July 15, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
Have you watched Stephens vid on disassembling the Liberty? I't on his AVS youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on July 15, 2019, 08:35:59 PM
Have you watched Stephens vid on disassembling the Liberty? I't on his AVS youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU)

Ya Robert I have seen all his Liberty videos, the one I want to see is the one Steve took down I believe because of safety concerns.....over the modification of the power wheel.

Orion’s video shows trigger disassembly but I don’t want to take the plastic stock off again———what a pain.

I may just live with a 3 lb trigger till I really need to take it apart for some reason :-(

wll
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Post by: SoCalZac on July 15, 2019, 10:03:57 PM
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.

My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?

Any ideas ?

wll

The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on July 15, 2019, 10:56:20 PM
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.

My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?

Any ideas ?

wll

The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.

Yes, may try that.

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on July 16, 2019, 12:13:00 AM
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.

My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?

Any ideas ?

wll

The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
Why when it's so easy to just punch the pin that hold the trigger to the trigger mount? To use a easy out you will need to drill it and risk and if you slip with the drill....... The grub screw may also catch and drive up into the sear possibly bending it. You don't have to mess with the pin that holds the sear just the one for the trigger.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on August 01, 2019, 11:37:30 PM
Ok, have any of you found a way to remove the back screws on your trigger without removing the trigger mechanism.

My pull is manageable but I would love to make it crisper ?

Any ideas ?

wll

The one screw that is backwards is just a grub screw and doesn’t do anything. Maybe try a small easyout bit to get it out.
Why when it's so easy to just punch the pin that hold the trigger to the trigger mount? To use a easy out you will need to drill it and risk and if you slip with the drill....... The grub screw may also catch and drive up into the sear possibly bending it. You don't have to mess with the pin that holds the sear just the one for the trigger.

I did take the gun apart a few days ago and while apart took out the trigger and changed position of the two back screws ...... To say it made a huge difference would be a gross understatement.  My trigger now is very, very nice with no creeping or grinding at all and when it breaks it is always a surprise

Glad I did this mod, thank you for your help ;-  )

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 02, 2019, 02:16:05 PM
Your welcome!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on August 02, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
There's another trigger mod that it's supposed to improved it even better, adding the first stage. It involves removing a spring and adding two new screws, it was documented in this post at some time... now this post is as big as the "what has you ordered today" both ... a beast
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Stikkershokk on August 02, 2019, 02:46:48 PM
Is the Freedom trigger the same?
I just unscrewed the front spring's tension screw, keeping a few twists to hold it in place.
I bought longer replacement screws at Ace hrdwre, for the 2 rear screws.
I screwed them both in until there was no loose play left.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 02, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
No difference.
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Post by: Stikkershokk on August 02, 2019, 03:06:09 PM
Cool. Then it’s definitely worth the 4 minutes!

One note of caution- I tried to screw the original ones in a little tighter. I though they were setscrews.

THEY ARE NOT!

it’s a small, shouldered bolt; and I almost stripped them.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 02, 2019, 07:43:47 PM
I ordered a .22 Liberty this morning and received an order confirmation moments after.  It's been several hours now, but still no shipping info.  Earlier this year I ordered a Liberty for my cousin and don't recall receiving any tracking info for that order either....it just showed up a week or so later.  Has this been the case for the rest of you?
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Post by: Back_Roads on August 02, 2019, 07:57:28 PM
I ordered a .22 Liberty this morning and received an order confirmation moments after.  It's been several hours now, but still no shipping info.  Earlier this year I ordered a Liberty for my cousin and don't recall receiving any tracking info for that order either....it just showed up a week or so later.  Has this been the case for the rest of you?
Yup pretty much. :) Same as Crosman so were used to it .
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on August 02, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
Antwuan

Yes, this seems to be their routine. I have ordered several, and only received an order confirmation, then about a week later the gun shows up.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on August 02, 2019, 09:36:29 PM
I ordered my No warranty Freedom. The next day I called and they were happy to give me tracking info right on the phone.
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Post by: superchikn on August 02, 2019, 10:11:43 PM
Cool. Then it’s definitely worth the 4 minutes!

One note of caution- I tried to screw the original ones in a little tighter. I though they were setscrews.

THEY ARE NOT!

it’s a small, shouldered bolt; and I almost stripped them.
Yeah, i use roller ball tip set screws from McMaster Carr.  Look way back in this thread, I posted all i did with this trigger,  The only thing I was missing was deleting the spring and the adjustment sequence to actually get the two stages.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 02, 2019, 10:17:28 PM
Ray........I concur with the ball set screws. I use them on my Liberty.
Makes perfect sense that this is what they should be using. But as you well know $ drives the good and services.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 03, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Yep, if they as in the mfg can save $.10 on a product they will. What I don't understand is why they put that set screw in the back threaded hold instead of not drilling and tapping the front hole and using it to fire the rifle. Forget the front hole and install the screw in the back hole! Now with the money they save from two less machining process and the set screw they could use the ball tip set screw.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on August 03, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
Yep, if they as in the mfg can save $.10 on a product they will. What I don't understand is why they put that set screw in the back threaded hold instead of not drilling and tapping the front hole and using it to fire the rifle. Forget the front hole and install the screw in the back hole! Now with the money they save from two less machining process and the set screw they could use the ball tip set screw.

Robert, Robert, Robert ....please stop talking common sense ;-  )

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on August 03, 2019, 04:28:49 PM
https://youtu.be/7IF26tOXYBE
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 03, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
Will and Rob - Since the Bean Counters and the Lawyers are not here to defend themselves I say we gang up on them and blame them!
Are they not responsible for all the ills and problems in the world?
Ok now that this is solved.....NEXT item for discussion  ;D
Unless you guys want to call it a day since it's Saturday and go shooting ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on August 03, 2019, 05:46:08 PM
You forgot the lawyers and the politicians !!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 03, 2019, 05:50:35 PM
You forgot the lawyers and the politicians !!

One in the same  ;D
They both got the system rigged for their benefit.

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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 03, 2019, 06:23:37 PM
https://youtu.be/7IF26tOXYBE
Great vid Stephen. I left an comment under Desert Silver of info you need to share about the mods to your rifle otherwise someone may think it's mfg stock.
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Post by: nervoustrigger on August 03, 2019, 07:37:20 PM
Stephen, well done sir!  You earned it.

BTW you only had to be 1.04" to be MoA...but under an inch does have a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Orion on August 04, 2019, 08:07:12 AM
Excellent work! This rifle is so fun to own! I really like you are showing everyone what a sub 300$ can do. I bet you are upsetting some people!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 21, 2019, 03:11:58 PM
Well, got my Liberty back together after Duy drilled out the TP to .217 with a barrel port of .187. Stock setting for the reg but have no idea how much preload on the HS as I've got a adj HS preloader. This is still with the stock valve and poppet. I got 1057 fps with a 14.3 gr CPP and 927 with a 21.14 Barracuda. That's a 4 fpe increase for the cuda with a stock reg setting! It does also have his replacement power wheel which is drilled to .217 also so the barrel is really the only chock point besides the stock poppet valve. I messed up with Duy's valve because I thought it needed to be burnished in so I couldn't get it to seal. If I had a HP tank and could've hit it with 2 or 3K psi it probably would've but it was way to hot to use my compressor so all I had was a floor pump. With the stock power wheel and stock TP and a .187 barrel port along with Duy's valve I only got 30 fps with the CPP pellets also 1/4 turn CCW on the reg. Yuge improvement!

By the way that was just one shot each weight so no shot strings yet. Still need to notch the butt stock so I can use the HS adj.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 21, 2019, 05:14:56 PM
I just got my two receivers back from Duy. I have them together and they are holding air like champs.

At about 3000psi regulator setting one of my guns is putting out 54fpe and the other is stuck at 50fpe. Haha! Only 50fpe. I drilled the barrel to 13/64 or .203"
Just because I still want to use pellets. I did creat a bit of a ramp on the barrel port to avoid clipping.

I will be going out to shoot 30grain slugs out to 250 yards...I mean 100 yards because that's all the terrain I have. Im dying to shoot out way beyond 100 yards. Does anybody within 200 miles of Brooklyn, NY have an open place to shoot long distances? I'll bring the slugs and lunch.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 21, 2019, 05:31:29 PM
I'd say come on over but 2000 miles wouldn't even cover it. lol
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 21, 2019, 05:59:53 PM
I'd say come on over but 2000 miles wouldn't even cover it. lol

Thanks Robert but I had to sell my plane to buy some pcps
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 21, 2019, 06:01:15 PM
I just got my two receivers back from Duy. I have them together and they are holding air like champs.

At about 3000psi regulator setting one of my guns is putting out 54fpe and the other is stuck at 50fpe. Haha! Only 50fpe. I drilled the barrel to 13/64 or .203"
Just because I still want to use pellets. I did create a bit of a ramp on the barrel port to avoid clipping.

I will be going out to shoot 30grain slugs out to 250 yards...I mean 100 yards because that's all the terrain I have. I'm dying to shoot out way beyond 100 yards. Does anybody within 200 miles of Brooklyn, NY have an open place to shoot long distances? I'll bring the slugs and lunch.
Duy's valve and what weight pellet/slug?

Well, ya got to have priorities!! lol PCP's ae cheaper anyway.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 21, 2019, 06:10:02 PM
30 grain slugs going 902fps
28grain going  924fps
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on August 21, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
I will be going out to shoot 30grain slugs out to 250 yards...I mean 100 yards because that's all the terrain I have. Im dying to shoot out way beyond 100 yards. Does anybody within 200 miles of Brooklyn, NY have an open place to shoot long distances? I'll bring the slugs and lunch.

Stephan, 

How about Prospect Park?  Use some of the ponds to tell where the slugs are dropping.   ;)

Google says I'm sitting at 201 miles from Brooklyn.   Now that is a 4+ hour one way drive, all depending getting out of the NYC area.   Now, small plane, if you can avoid the tree tops, my neighbors roof, and wires, have about 1200' of grass field to land/take off from.  :D  Airports at BGM or Johnson City, 1/2 hour away. 

Honestly, I only have a 100yd range and less ready to go.  I'd have to brush hog my ole 150yd PB range.  It hasn't been cleared in about 5 years, but would only take a few hours.  Alternately, set something up on that "landing" field.  It is 200yd width from road to tree line, and can work some angles in for further.   The angles would add some slight elevation though.

There might be a range in Dutchess or Putnum county.  I seem to remember some air gun events being held around there in the Hudson Valley.   PA has allot of game lands but don't know what the rules are associated with them, or good ones for shooting distance.  That would be more centrally located. 
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 21, 2019, 07:57:56 PM
Hey John, that's mighty nice of you. I don't think 227 miles from Oceanside is too bad. I know I said Brooklyn but I live in Oceanside. I grew up in Brooklyn. Anyway, that sounds great. I will PM to work out details. Nice weather is just around the corner.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on August 21, 2019, 08:34:44 PM
My daughter graduated from Hofstra, which is fairly close to Oceanside.   I hated those first semester trips back and forth.   :(    Im me and lets see what we can work out. 
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 12:36:44 AM
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
  you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some

Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."

you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 01:46:54 AM
send me a pm with your email or text number for Billys plenum if you guys interested.
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 22, 2019, 09:01:24 AM
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
  you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some

Yes Duy, the barrel port is only .203. I might try to feather the barrel port opening to see if that helps. .218 at the outer edge and  leave it .203 at the inner edge. Yes I'm sure if I examine the alignment of everything I will get better power. I'm hoping to get out tomorrow. I'll let you go the 26.1 grain slugs do.
Thanks again.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 22, 2019, 10:17:25 AM
Good morning to all:
It must be said that this Liberty talk is making me doubt the pending (when is stock at Pyramyd) purchase of a Diana Stormrider.
It would b my first PCP.
(Not counting the my self renewing Nova Freedom that is now undergoing it's 3rd regeneration at ATI)

I have a hand pump only.
The Liberty air tube volume is twice that of the Stormrider  (200 vs 100cc)
Can the Liberty pumped by hand without my wishing for a compressor?

Ed
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Post by: SoCalZac on August 22, 2019, 11:00:17 AM
It can be hand pumped but it does suk especially if going for a 300bar fill. I ended up getting a scba tank and a shoebox f10 so I didn’t have to hand pump anymore.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 22, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
It can be hand pumped but it does suk especially if going for a 300bar fill. I ended up getting a scba tank and a shoebox f10 so I didn’t have to hand pump anymore.
Thanks, SoCalZac
For sure, I do not want the experience to "suc"
If it does, I simply will not use the rifle.
What a waste of money that would be.
Input appreciated

Ed
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 11:07:59 AM
Stephen, i bet you its the alignment ports from valve to the transfer port. is this the G3 receiver or the regular receiver thats getting 50fpe? i installed the G3 valve. all your valves tested 53-55 fpe in my gun with the hammer weight. the 30grains going 902fps should be 54fpe. did you do that without hammer weight? tell me if its redundant to use the weight.

also, you can smooth the edges with a carbide ball rotary tool on the ports inside the valve for a couple of fps more.
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Silent S, the Liberty can be pumped but in sessions. pump to 1ksi, break, then pump to 2ksi, break then 3ksi, then 3.6ksi.

just buy a compressor, i have the ahor box and 1p1060sp california air tools. the shoe box quiet i van fill it at 12am.

Also,  buy the rifle of your dreams and the air supply made for it. don't let the pump spoil the sport.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 22, 2019, 01:10:00 PM


Silent S, the Liberty can be pumped but in sessions. pump to 1ksi, break, then pump to 2ksi, break then 3ksi, then 3.6ksi.

just buy a compressor, i have the ahor box and 1p1060sp california air tools. the shoe box quiet i van fill it at 12am.

Also, buy the rifle of your dreams and the air supply made for it. don't let the pump spoil the sport.
Hello darkcharisma
It must be said that I like your philosophy

There must be something I do not understand about compressors.
(That's an understatement, most certainly)
I looked up the California Tools 1p1060sp.
Even read the manual
How do you get 3000 psi into the airgun tank with it?
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 01:22:11 PM
you will need the Shoe Box compressor which is on sale from $1000 to $500 and use the 1p1060sp to feed it air. the shoe box does the 3000-4500psi. i know  its expensive but its worth every penny.
  i tried the lesser expensive Young Heng compressor and it gave out on me. the same saying "buy once, cry once" applies here. i cried twice though.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 01:59:25 PM
The stand alone HP compressors like the Yong heng have a built in first stage compressor which the 1p1060sp replaces by supplying 125 psi (?) to the shoe box F10. The shoebox takes that 125 psi and thru 2 more stages boosts the air pressure up to 4500 psi. The yong heng uses only 2 stages to do the same thing but is very hard pressed to fill a large HP air tank without first over heating and 2 wearing out prematurely. The yong heng does ok filling JUST air rifles but needs to be maintained much more often like changing out second stage rings and changing the oil. When not if my vevor compressor which is a cheaper knock off of the yong heng dies I will be getting a shoebox. I really wish I would've paid the $50 more for the yong heng compressor which is also much easier to get replacement parts for than the vevor/tuxing/?  The shoe box is know to last years before needing to be rebuilt and every part is available here in the USA made by Americans.

Duy, buck up there buttercup and quit your darn crying!!!! j/k
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Post by: hanleyfan on August 22, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
Just got my new nova victory .22 today, pumped it up to 2500 to see if it would hold air and it lost all the air in about 15 min.  you could hear it hissing down around the trigger. now I am bummed, what would you do send it back or try fix it yourself. if it is just a oring I could do that but I just don't think I should have to work on a brand new gun.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on August 22, 2019, 02:21:42 PM
Make sure the bleed screw is tight.  I had one leak where the plenum attaches to the receiver.  The o-ring was squished out.  A new o-ring fixed that.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 22, 2019, 02:28:06 PM
When not if my vevor compressor which is a cheaper knock off of the yong heng dies I will be getting a shoebox. I really wish I would've paid the $50 more for the yong heng compressor which is also much easier to get replacement parts for than the vevor/tuxing/?  The shoe box is know to last years before needing to be rebuilt and every part is available here in the USA made by Americans.

you will need the Shoe Box compressor which is on sale from $1000 to $500 and use the 1p1060sp to feed it air. the shoe box does the 3000-4500psi. i know  its expensive but its worth every penny.
 
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Silent S, the Liberty can be pumped but in sessions. pump to 1ksi, break, then pump to 2ksi, break then 3ksi, then 3.6ksi.
just buy a compressor, i have the ahor box and 1p1060sp california air tools. the shoe box quiet i van fill it at 12am.
Also,  buy the rifle of your dreams and the air supply made for it. don't let the pump spoil the sport.

Thanks for chimng in darkcharisma & Robert Feddeler

I'm a springer/ntiro piston shooter, hoping to learn more about PCP
That was supposed to happen with my Nova Freedom but I've yet to get more than 100 rounds through one as it spends most of it's time being regenerated in South Carolina.
Currently undergoing its 3rd iteration.
That said, I'm not sure what the "airgun of my dreams" is just yet; and as I learn it will get defined
So I think the decision now is to go for the Stormrider Gen 2./22cal
I already have the hand pump.
For a $245 investment (rifle, $200; FFH, $45 shipped) experience with PCPs is at hand
Robert, thanks for the overview of the Chinese compressors; & you too darkcharisma on the more modern way of compressing air.
FYI
If were capricious; & careless with my fixed income, I would spring right now for a Yong Heng and a Sumatra 2500.
(I wonder if barrels are interchangeable between 22 & 25 caliber)

BTW
Having read many interactions between you two; it sure would be interesting being the fly on the wall should you get together over some beers

Ed
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 03:36:26 PM
Robert is a shy guy that hates the 100 degree heat. there ain't no chance he would sit in his garage having a beer with a hard liquor guy like me. if he smokes, i am bouncing out of there. lol. as a matter of fact i drove by Lucern Valley on my last horrid vacation, i didn't hear any invitation for water, and ya know its the desert out there lol.  ;D 8)

buttercup that up Robert LOL. J/K

Edward, i would not get a stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.

300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated,  as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp.  i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 03:43:48 PM
Duy knows way more than I do and Sterne knows way more than Duy, myself, and Stephen put together. Check out https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=224.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=224.0) if you really want to learn about PCPs
I never knew you were in the neighborhood or I certainly would have. I've just got a portable swamp cooler to blow cool air on me.

I just upped the reg to 1/4 turn ccw and pumped the rifle up to 3600 psi. Shot 1 21.14 Cuda across the crono and got 967 fps. That's about a 40 fps increase from the stock setting it was at.
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
try upping the reg to the max at 3600psi. you will get satisfaction  ;D. you are ready for slugs and such. have ya play with the HS adjuster?

i know a little, but i ask alot.
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Post by: hanleyfan on August 22, 2019, 03:52:04 PM
I found my leak in the liberty it was the degas bolt, it was leaking around it and it was screwed in as tight as it would go. is there a o-ring in there? I took it out and could not see one.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 04:00:48 PM
try upping the reg to the max at 3600psi. you will get satisfaction  ;D. you are ready for slugs and such. have ya play with the HS adjuster?

i know a little, but i ask alot.
I've got the HS adj at just short of coil bind right now. Drilled the hole in the butt stock to access the HS adj so will be playing around with that a little but don't really want to go to high on the reg right now.
Yeah, I know it's not exactly straight! lol What do you expect with a hand drill using a 2 or 3 foot long 3/8 drill? lol
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
it looks good to me. i am all about form and function, doesn't need to look good. go get a yote with some 23 grain avs slugs

did you send the valves and poppets back?

Dean, its seals up against a delrin piece i think.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 22, 2019, 04:25:06 PM
Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.

300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated,  as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp.  i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
That's it!
Keep me thinking duy.
Point of fact is I never would consider the Stormrider comparable to the Liberty.
It would simply be an easy entry, cheap seats ticket into the PCP world.
I will however run the numbers on a compressor & the Liberty using the code.
It may prove to be more affordable than I assume.

Question about the Yong Heng type compressors
Is there any advantage (especially safety advantage) to the versions that shut off at a specific preset psi; or is the plain Jane shut it off on your own OK?
I would not be filling a tank, but filling the gun directly
Darn!!!
You got me seriously thinkin' about this
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Post by: cosmic on August 22, 2019, 04:45:28 PM
I use a plain jane knock off vevor.. I would not trust anything like auto shut off.. But if you are filling you gun you would be right there anyway...
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 06:15:35 PM
it looks good to me. i am all about form and function, doesn't need to look good. go get a yote with some 23 grain avs slugs

did you send the valves and poppets back?

Dean, its seals up against a delrin piece i think.
Not yet Duy. Heck, I need to send the old left over pieces of the ChiCom crono to hunter white also and haven't done that. My son and son inlaw were suppose to come over and help me move a 300 lb gun safe into the house for the wife. They postponed until tomorrow so might just head in this after noon to mail both. How much more fpe is your valve good for over the stocker? With the stocker I'm up to 43.5 fpe with the reg at what should be 2100 psi shooting the cuda 21.14 pellet and the hs adj just short of coil bind.
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Post by: cosmic on August 22, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
The parts diagram shows a ball bearing..
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 07:33:25 PM
Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.

300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated,  as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp.  i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
That's it!
Keep me thinking duy.
Point of fact is I never would consider the Stormrider comparable to the Liberty.
It would simply be an easy entry, cheap seats ticket into the PCP world.
I will however run the numbers on a compressor & the Liberty using the code.
It may prove to be more affordable than I assume.

Question about the Yong Heng type compressors
Is there any advantage (especially safety advantage) to the versions that shut off at a specific preset psi; or is the plain Jane shut it off on your own OK?
I would not be filling a tank, but filling the gun directly
Darn!!!
You got me seriously thinkin' about this

Why do you think it's called the dark side. Bill may think there's a bottom to it but he's WRONG!!!!!
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Post by: cosmic on August 22, 2019, 08:06:43 PM
Black hole !!!
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Post by: Rohmpm on August 22, 2019, 08:34:50 PM
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
  you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some

Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."

you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
[/quote

I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
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Post by: AVS Stephen on August 22, 2019, 09:15:21 PM
Edward, i would not get a Stormrider if it were to be compared to a liberty. use this coupon code if phone order hardair20 for 20% off.

300 bar fill max, but we fill it to 3600psi and still get lots of shots. regulated,  as light as the stormrider and the barrel is slug ready if you get serious. its a pcp you can learn and grow on for a while before you decide to buy serious pcp.  i have a storm rider and hardly touch it.
That's it!
Keep me thinking duy.
Point of fact is I never would consider the Stormrider comparable to the Liberty.
It would simply be an easy entry, cheap seats ticket into the PCP world.
I will however run the numbers on a compressor & the Liberty using the code.
It may prove to be more affordable than I assume.

Question about the Yong Heng type compressors
Is there any advantage (especially safety advantage) to the versions that shut off at a specific preset psi; or is the plain Jane shut it off on your own OK?
I would not be filling a tank, but filling the gun directly
Darn!!!
You got me seriously thinkin' about this

I agree with Duy! Much better than a stromrider IMHO. Good trigger, power, accuracy and adjustable. It's a plinker, Hunter or long range shooter.

You can get the yong Heng at Walmart for $235. Don't get the auto shut off because the power relay can burn very easily as it did on me.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Yong-Heng-High-Pressure-30MPa-Air-Compressor-Pump-Electric-High-Pressure-System-Rifle-110V/968245645 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Yong-Heng-High-Pressure-30MPa-Air-Compressor-Pump-Electric-High-Pressure-System-Rifle-110V/968245645)
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 22, 2019, 09:27:51 PM
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yong Heng at Walmart for $235

Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.

Many thanks for sharing!
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
"I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!"

Billy, lets make it happen together. i could not have hit my +60fpe goal without your help along with everyone's suggestions too. thank you!
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Post by: darkcharisma on August 22, 2019, 10:56:28 PM
Robert, the oem valve can hit 50-51 fpe according the Stephen's videos. my valve tested to 55 fpe. for 8.2 cc total, thats not bad. its an air hog though. i found the size of the valve spring that will give 52fpe for 50psi per shot.

 its 1mm wire diameter. 10mm Large OD, 7 mm Small OD and 22mm long.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 22, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
  you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some

Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."

you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
[/quote

I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
So Billy, what's the word on the plenums?
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Post by: Rohmpm on August 23, 2019, 01:31:25 AM
Quote
yong Heng at Walmart for $235

Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.

Many thanks for sharing!




PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!!  Pump, pump, pump with abandon.
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Post by: Wayne52 on August 23, 2019, 01:45:56 AM
The parts diagram shows a ball bearing..

Ray I was looking at that same diagram too, and the manual that I have doesn't show the o ring but there has to be one or none of them would seal,  on the aspen manual it shows an o ring in those but it's a completely different setup than the Liberty.  I really need to take apart my Liberty to find out exactly how everything in them works because the manuals for them are very sketchy being they're deciphered from Chinese.
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Post by: Rohmpm on August 23, 2019, 01:58:10 AM
Stephen. shoot some 26.1grain slugs to compare to my results. your 28 and 30grains speed are good. are those results from .203 barrel port? thats not bad...tinker with the 50fpe gun, if in doubt, swap the valves and see if it does better in that other gun.
  you can probably make the weights from your drill lathe but ill send some

Robert, you will not be able to seal with hand pumps. try again with the compressor. my shoebox sometimes cannot fill it. send those to me ill resurface them and give ya a proper instruction sheet. "dont burnish brass counter sunk valves and poppets. do some dry fires while filling, this helps seat new poppets."

you guys need Billys plenum to fly to 60fpe land. send me a pm, ill make a list and send it to Billy when we have at least 15-20 interests. we are actually trying to see if its do able. when its a go, he will collect your deposits.
[/quote

I forsee some gains in your future quest for power!
So Billy, what's the word on the plenums?

Duy has another plenum with a 1/2x20 nipple in his possession that he will be doing some testing with. I am sure he will be thorough. We are hoping for some meaningful performance gains.
 When the results are in, I'll do a cost analysis, project potential sales numbers and see if a production run is in order. For example....if I made a hundred, likely would have to sell eighty to break even in an attempt to keep a reasonable price. Programming, setup, tooling, machine time, etc, etc.
If I made fifty, the cost would have to go up. Some people will want a bolt on 10mm nipple. Others may opt for a 1/2 x20 nipple for a larger transfer that will require machining the receiver.  If I only sold 79, or 39, I'd be losing money.
I am using some pricey material, 7068 aluminum. As strong as 6al4v ti, it was once classified, a controlled material and not common or known in most circles even today. I could use 7075 but the wall thicknesses would go up considerably, reducing precious plenum volume although they would be cheaper.

I remember people asking JSAR to make special valves for some Hatsan models. There was a lot of talk but JSAR could not get enough commitment to go into production. We'll see if that scenario repeats itself, I hope not.
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Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 23, 2019, 04:02:01 AM
Quote
yong Heng at Walmart for $235

Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.

Many thanks for sharing!


PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!!  Pump, pump, pump with abandon.

Yea I wonder how they handle warranty work?
I also wonder if these are "old stock" or "new stock". From what I understand YH has done some improvements along the way.
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Post by: Bob Pratl on August 23, 2019, 06:12:29 AM
It can be hand pumped but it does suk especially if going for a 300bar fill. I ended up getting a scba tank and a shoebox f10 so I didn’t have to hand pump anymore.
If you weigh more than 180 lbs. and are younger than 60, it is great exercise. My problem is that I'm older than 65 and weigh ~160 lbs. and I end up with my feet off the ground when pumping it to over 200 bar. My 11 and 13 year grandsons would go through a lot of air so I ended getting a electric pump.
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Post by: avator on August 23, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
In hindsight, if I were new to the PCP world I think I would buy a Maximus and a Chinese hand pump.
https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html (https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html)

https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE (https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE)

Less than $300 invested. If you decide that PCP is for you there are many upgrades and mods for the Maximus to keep your learning experience learning. It's a 2k fill gun so hand pumping will won't be sour grapes. The Disco is another option with a 2k fill.
The Marauder would be the next level up if you are young and ambitious enough to pump to 3k.
Anyone who shoots PCP would be wise to have a hand pump as a backup. The $50 hand pumps have been proven to be just as dependable as pumps costing 3x more.
Shoot and learn while you're reviewing and socking money away for your 'dream machine'.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 23, 2019, 07:44:39 AM
That's exactly what I did Bill, once I bought the Mrod I knew that I didn't want to be pumping that up by hand so I bought tanks but since the dive shop closed down I purchased a Shoebox F10 and it's all easy peasy now 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 23, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
Just finished hand pumping my Liberty up to 4K psi from 3200 and I can already feel it in my neck! I did just buy a carbon fiber tank along with a fill station but it will have to be filled from my compressor.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 23, 2019, 03:59:50 PM
I'd be lost without my F10 and tanks.  I'm going to switch over to the tank I filled the other day cause it will put my Liberty to 4.2K, I've never put that much in it yet but from what I understand the air tubes on them are made from titanium.  You can sure get a lot of shots on high power with these guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 23, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
I'm half tempted to order me another no warranty Liberty in wood stock if there's one to be had ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on August 23, 2019, 05:01:03 PM
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yong Heng at Walmart for $235

Wal Mart does not directly sell, they are from outside vendors. If they cannot repair or replace, they give 100% refund and you keep the compressor.

Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.

Many thanks for sharing!


PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!!  Pump, pump, pump with abandon.

Yea I wonder how they handle warranty work?
I also wonder if these are "old stock" or "new stock". From what I understand YH has done some improvements along the way.

Wal Mart has outside vendors. If the cannot repair or replace you get a full refund.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on August 23, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
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yong Heng at Walmart for $235

Wal Mart does not directly sell, they are from outside vendors. If they cannot repair or replace, they give 100% refund and you keep the compressor.

Worth buying just to have it as a spare while one waits for parts on that slow boat from China.

Many thanks for sharing!


PLUS, for almost nothing you can get wal marts extended warranty for four years!!!!  Pump, pump, pump with abandon.

Yea I wonder how they handle warranty work?
I also wonder if these are "old stock" or "new stock". From what I understand YH has done some improvements along the way.

Wal Mart has outside vendors. If the cannot repair or replace you get a full refund.
But not from Walmart. You have to return the item to the 'MarketPlace" vendor and wait for your refund.... believe me. I just went through it not too long ago.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 23, 2019, 11:13:15 PM
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But not from Walmart. You have to return the item to the 'MarketPlace" vendor and wait for your refund.... believe me. I just went through it not too long ago.

That must mean shipping it back to them on your dime?
Then the wait time for refund.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Rohmpm on August 23, 2019, 11:46:47 PM
Well, I'll share. Recently wallyworld had Yong Heng compressors for $219.00 so what the he'll, I ordered an extra with a four year warranty. It showed up from Socal in a few days. The accesory pack, water pump and hoses etc was missing. A call to Wal-Mart and they contacted the vendor....they said they'd send the parts. A week goes by so another call to Wal Mart. They attempt to call the vendor with no reply. I mean woman it up a bit about them sending a call tag and resending a complete new unit. Another call to the vendor with no answer. Sooooooo, Wal-Mart cancelled my warranty....but gave me a 100% refund and told me to keep the compressor! So I did.
Ten days later a package arrives from China....with all the missing parts. It's nice to know that Wal mart will try to resolve issues even with outside vendors.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 24, 2019, 12:35:44 AM
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It's nice to know that Wal mart will try to resolve issues even with outside vendors.

Had a similar case when I order one of those inexpensive 12 gun stamp steel gun cabinet. Looks like someone dropped it off the truck......literately.
Called WalMart and they send me a new one. Told me not to return the damaged one. It was fixable with rubber mallet and TLC.
The replacement comes in with no key to open the door. It was locked.......naturally. I called WalMart an they said I would have to contact the manufacture to send me a duplicate set of keys. Which they did. But instead of sending it to me they sent it to the WalMart. Nobody had any idea what this envelope was for etc. So they stuck it there catch-all corner and forget about it. I talked to them until I was blue in the face as to what happened. Nobody cared because nobody remembered a package from a company with my name on it.
I contacted WalMart Customer Service, forget where they were located. They contacted someone at the store where the keys were sent to. Grilled all people concerned and someone finally remembered seeing an envelope and where they put it.
Only positive result from that was I got two cabinets from the confusion.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 24, 2019, 12:38:37 AM
I thought this thread was a topic about ATI (Nova Vista guns) ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 24, 2019, 12:43:59 AM
I thought this thread was a topic about ATI (Nova Vista guns) ???

Yep it is and yep I own one?
Want to see a picture if you don't believe me?
Oh and read the riot act to others besides me who talk about something other than ATI (Nova Vista guns)!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 24, 2019, 01:21:51 AM
In hindsight, if I were new to the PCP world I think I would buy a Maximus and a Chinese hand pump.
https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html (https://www.fieldsupply.com/benjamin-maximus-air-rifle-177-cal-black.html)

https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE (https://www.ebay.com/i/173705984393?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=173705984393&targetid=541453965492&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012797&poi=&campaignid=1881504899&mkgroupid=66933536821&rlsatarget=aud-762207186714:pla-541453965492&abcId=1139336&merchantid=115308880&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlNbzq-GY5AIV5JJbCh097QidEAYYAyABEgJxjvD_BwE)

Less than $300 invested. If you decide that PCP is for you there are many upgrades and mods for the Maximus to keep your learning experience learning. It's a 2k fill gun so hand pumping will won't be sour grapes. The Disco is another option with a 2k fill.
The Marauder would be the next level up if you are young and ambitious enough to pump to 3k.
Anyone who shoots PCP would be wise to have a hand pump as a backup. The $50 hand pumps have been proven to be just as dependable as pumps costing 3x more.
Shoot and learn while you're reviewing and socking money away for your 'dream machine'.
Thanks for the reconsideration Duy.
I really can't go for The Liberty & a compressor at this point
And considering that I already have a hand pump, researching your suggestions of the Maximus & Discovery has begun
Discovery looks pretty good.
Especially considering the mods available moving forward
Do you really think it is superior to the Stormrider?
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 24, 2019, 01:24:25 AM
It's much better than the Storm Rider IMO.  Made with good materials that don't normally give out during regular use.  I think that most all Chinese airguns are made of substandard materials in comparison to many others made from better metal.  The Nova Vista's are no exception either but they are finished real well.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on August 24, 2019, 01:30:13 AM
The only advantage with the StormRider might be that it's a repeater.
Mods/customer service and parts availability advantages goes to the Disco and/or Maximus.
The StormRider is a 3k gun.... more hand pumping.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on August 26, 2019, 12:26:53 PM
This is how good the Nova Liberty and AVS slugs perform. What a fun day

https://youtu.be/eEhtBgvsz7w
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on August 26, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
you didnt shoot one of the 54 fpe modded guns?

btw, i am here or text directly if you need any support, i can aslo look at the 50fpe gun and make sure she performs  up to 55fpe. none of this will cost you but one way shipping to me, so don't hesitate even after 30 days.    :o
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 26, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 26, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
The only advantage with the StormRider might be that it's a repeater.
Mods/customer service and parts availability advantages goes to the Disco and/or Maximus.
The StormRider is a 3k gun.... more hand pumping.
Thanks Duy
I am now strongly considering the Discovery, Maximus, & Beeman QB Chief.
The Beeman joined the group after learning of its accuracy via Tom Gaylord's 6 part review.
All 3 are 2k fills; easily done  with my hand pump
I may even go .177 for the higher shot count.
Exploring silencers before purchasing because, as you know, all 3 are very loud.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 26, 2019, 01:50:03 PM
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !

Is there a Liberty 25 in the works at ATI?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 26, 2019, 02:19:42 PM
Stephen I REALLY enjoyed watching that video, that's a super cool range you're going to too.  I know these guns are accurate because I've been shooting my Liberty and Freedom a lot since I bought them. I still haven't done the barrel port yet on either one but I'm sure that I will eventually.  I'll either shim the hammer spring or just order a little heavier spring for it when I do.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 26, 2019, 02:20:40 PM
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !

Is there a Liberty 25 in the works at ATI?
When someone figures that out they'll know the winning power ball numbers too! !!! LOL
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on August 26, 2019, 02:24:49 PM
You're Da Man Stephen!
And when the .25 comes out you'll be able to really click your heels !

Is there a Liberty 25 in the works at ATI?

They are in Brazil from what I've read here on GTA.
No word as to if they will offer them in US yet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on August 26, 2019, 02:27:32 PM
Robert I read somewhere else on the forum that ATI has no intentions of importing them in .25 cal.  It's sad because they'd make a heck of a 25 cal I'm sure.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on August 26, 2019, 03:45:15 PM
you didnt shoot one of the 54 fpe modded guns?

btw, i am here or text directly if you need any support, i can aslo look at the 50fpe gun and make sure she performs  up to 55fpe. none of this will cost you but one way shipping to me, so don't hesitate even after 30 days.    :o

Hey Duy, thank you! I did shoot them but both barrels were drilled and need some cleaning up. Groups were a mess because the burrs in port. Also I fixed the creeping regulator. I believe the gun was acting like an unregulated gun because the regulator adjuster was too far away from the brass Piston to make a seal. I believe the regulator has a maximum PSI of around 3,200 PSI. After 3200 the Belleville washers get compressed to the maximum and no longer seal against the delran stopper. Again this is just my experience. Once I turn the regulator down it he came consistent. Shooting 26 grain slugs at 925fps.

Well now I'm trying to figure out the differences in my three guns. One gun is the stock gun the second fun is stock valve and ports drilled out to dark charisma specs and the third gun DC valve and DC drill ports. I am trying to learn the differences in power and efficiency between the three guns. I will report as soon as I have a better understanding. Again thank you so much for all your help.

I am now wearing one of your DC valve around my neck as jewelry. It is way too nice to put in a gun. Lol
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on August 26, 2019, 04:02:04 PM
LOL, did you know brass is antimicrobial? it may be good to use as hand sanitizer lol. my next valve will be out of 416 polished or colored...my schedule is clear. woot!

are the barrel ports drilled to .217? you wont have a problem loading pellets if you fast load or turn the gun on the left side.

if you need to go 62fpe, give Billy a hola! if ya cant reach him ill relay.

i am also compiling a list for Billy if custom plenums are desired. pm me contacts if anyone wants one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 26, 2019, 04:04:33 PM
As far as getting a. 25 liberty we just need a TJ barrel and some way of increasing the dia. of the bolt. so it can seal behind the barrel. Who knows,  maybe PA will pickup the Liberty line. They already sell the Aspen so why not the liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on August 26, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
  Great shooting Steve !! Waiting for my .177 to get back from Duy...  You can't believe the work on my rifle he has done for me !!  Each and every time he gets to tinker...  WOW that's a idea!!! Then he shares with me.. I think Duy and I are over 190 texts !! Can't wait Brother Duy!! He sent me a birthday present also ... Hmmmmmm..
  Thank you Steve for what you share with all of us.. ... We all benefit with all the knowledge shared here !!!!!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on August 26, 2019, 04:37:55 PM
Still would like to know if the barrel probe and probe sleeve are interchangeable between the Liberty and the Aspen...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: AVS Stephen on August 26, 2019, 05:03:17 PM
  Thank you Steve for what you share with all of us.. ... We all benefit with all the knowledge shared here !!!!!!!

Ray, I just want more people to experience the "joy of Airgun shooting". A happy little golf ball gets shot here and a happy little shot gun shell get shot there...Bob Ross 1980s

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: green on August 26, 2019, 05:15:29 PM
  Thank you Steve for what you share with all of us.. ... We all benefit with all the knowledge shared here !!!!!!!

Ray, I just want more people to experience the "joy of Airgun shooting". A happy little golf ball gets shot here and a happy little shot gun shell get shot there...Bob Ross 1980s

And somewhere the Airgun Gods are smiling! (and FX owners are crying!) lol  Thanks again for the video Stephen
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on August 26, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
Still would like to know if the barrel probe and probe sleeve are interchangeable between the Liberty and the Aspen...
The pellet probe for both the liberty and freedom n .22 are the same part number. The sleeve that the pellet probe slides in inside of the receiver is the same part number also for the .22 so it logically would seem to me that the probe and sleeve from the .25 Aspen would swap no problem with the Liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on September 04, 2019, 08:43:21 AM
Where can I get replacement o-rings for a Liberty fill probe?  I contacted ATI, but they didn't have any on hand. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 04, 2019, 11:44:15 AM
I used some from a harbor freight oring kit. Sealed up better than the original orings.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 04, 2019, 12:20:24 PM
101 Pages!  WOW!!!  :) 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 04, 2019, 12:24:30 PM
Tell me about it. 101 pages. someone referred me to this page if i needed information when it was 50 pages, i said nah. so i watched Stephens videos, i feel like i am cheating yall
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: nervoustrigger on September 04, 2019, 12:28:38 PM
Too bad this rifle didn’t work out.  Seems the interest just isn’t there...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 04, 2019, 01:13:40 PM
as far as parts and spares, no.

but its a 55 fpe rifle for an extra $55 for +-15 shots. 62 fpe for $155 at -+8 shots. no need to change barrel for slugs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on September 04, 2019, 01:25:57 PM
Brother Duy still clearing a shooting lane, raining and hot, but starting to cool off some....  If I can I will just go to the range, but would rather be close to home if I need something...  How is the hammer spring adjuster coming along ? I don't think that plenum will fit in the stock.. And a big thanks for the birthday present !!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 04, 2019, 01:35:02 PM
as far as parts and spares, no.

but its a 55 fpe rifle for an extra $55 for +-15 shots. 62 fpe for $155 at -+8 shots. no need to change barrel for slugs.
So  $40 to $70? For the bigger plenum
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 04, 2019, 01:38:54 PM
hey Ray, still trying to find a couple of hours straight to sit and make a bunch of small parts,  slug probes, hammer weights and valves to send out to some peeps, haven't forgotten about ya. tell your son to cut ya a lane.

i really need a full day off to do all this stuff, i just gotta get the tests results on the big plenum out first.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: cosmic on September 04, 2019, 01:43:58 PM
Sound more like you need a full day OFF !!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on September 04, 2019, 01:45:36 PM
Just filled my 80cf tank, to get ready for this weekend, my Lib's are extremely accurate and within my shooting comfort zone of about 45 yards the Lib's just don't miss.

I'll be playing around with the poppet soon as I get it, to see if I can come up with an easy fix ... we will see.

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 04, 2019, 01:52:59 PM
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So  $40 to $70? For the bigger plenum

let me clarify that a bit. $55 for valve and $155 for plenum. not $155 total. its not solid yet but expect more in the ball park of $155-$175. Billy gets to pick because hes the guy that actually buys the material and makes it and knows what it costs to run a cnc batch. all the while still trying to find a way to make it $125...but we will see wont we? 7068 is not cheap, 7075 is a bit better in pricing.

Will you got the package from me yet?

Yah Ray, i need 2 hours of full blown body massage and 2 hours of hot jacuzzi time and 2 hours of range time then ill be ready to work for the rest of the day.

I just bought me a .22 in wood stock parts gun. and i said no more pcp a while back. they have .177/22 liberty and freedoms parts gun btw.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 04, 2019, 02:33:14 PM
Tell me about it. 101 pages. someone referred me to this page if i needed information when it was 50 pages, i said nah. so i watched Stephens videos, i feel like i am cheating yall

I'm hoping to get some time Friday, to find the leaks on my two parts gun Liberty's, so was brushing up watching one of Stephen's videos, specifically on the regulator removal and installation.  :) 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 04, 2019, 03:16:55 PM
I haven't even messed with my Liberty or Freedom since I got the DAR's out of the mothballs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 04, 2019, 03:30:25 PM
I haven't even messed with my Liberty or Freedom since I got the DAR's out of the mothballs.

I'm going to turn you in to the Airgun Police, for neglect!  ;) 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 04, 2019, 04:23:50 PM
I haven't even messed with my Liberty or Freedom since I got the DAR's out of the mothballs.

I'm going to turn you in to the Airgun Police, for neglect!  ;) 
I'm hooked on them all John, I'll be getting one of the ATI's back out soon, thinking about putting the UTG Swat scope back on the Freedom soon.  What I need to do is get me another decent scope, I've been tempted to try one of the 12x Centerpoints, I've heard they're a half way decent scope for the money ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 02:04:11 AM
I have been rereading this thread from the beginning.  WOW!  Lots of good info, but it gets confusing at times because some are referring to the Liberty and some to the Freedom.


I think it is about time for the Freedom/Aspen and Liberty to get their own dedicated Gates.


What do you think?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 05, 2019, 05:14:57 AM
Kerry there's definitely a boatload of fantastic info throughout this entire thread !!!  When working on the ATI's my main tools are the manuals, my trusty ancient Craftsman verier calipers and if need be a complete teardown of which ever gun it is that I'm working on.  The last time I had my Liberty apart my thoughts were I'm going to need to go through this gun with a fine tooth comb.  As of yet I really haven't done that but eventually I will.  I've worked more on the Freedom myself, it's such a handy gun out in the woods that leaves a person worry free about everything except whether or not they brought enough pellets.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 06:07:07 AM
Kerry there's definitely a boatload of fantastic info throughout this entire thread !!!  When working on the ATI's my main tools are the manuals, my trusty ancient Craftsman verier calipers and if need be a complete teardown of which ever gun it is that I'm working on.  The last time I had my Liberty apart my thoughts were I'm going to need to go through this gun with a fine tooth comb.  As of yet I really haven't done that but eventually I will.  I've worked more on the Freedom myself, it's such a handy gun out in the woods that leaves a person worry free about everything except whether or not they brought enough pellets.

I don't have a Liberty, but I do have 3 Freedoms and I have yet to really tear down any of them.   I haven't even gotten half way through re-reading this thread from beginning to end!

It just seems to me that it would serve the interests of the users AND the moderators if there was a dedicated Gate for these guns.  Especially the Freedom.

As I have said more than once before, it is an industry game changer!  IMHO

Thanks for the reply!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 05, 2019, 06:17:24 AM
Kerry then you'd see people wanting a Daystate gate, Diana gate SPA gate, Ataman gate and the list would go on, then the confusion would really begin.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 06:29:44 AM
Kerry then you'd see people wanting a Daystate gate, Diana gate SPA gate, Ataman gate and the list would go on, then the confusion would really begin.

To be honest, I think that would be great too.   There are SO many Gates on GTA that seem to be unused, for the most part.   At least with Brand specific Gates users could go where their interests lie and all of the information would be more neatly contained and easier to find.   We all know the search function on GTA leaves a lot to be desired.

I ran a BBS before the WWW/Internet came along, so I do know something about running a message board.   I think the real problem is the GTA already has so many Gates that are rarely used that the admins/moderators simply don't want to clean it up and simplify it.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion and I did not really think it would be acted on...  (sigh)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 05, 2019, 11:29:29 AM
It could just be a Asian sub gate under the pcp major gate like big bores. ...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 11:32:08 AM
It could just be a Asian sub gate under the pcp major gate like big bores. ...

Gee, that makes it sound even more complicated...  LOL!

But I'll take it!  (grin)

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 05, 2019, 01:54:38 PM
Why, there's one under the springer gate. There's also one for the german, spanish, chec, etc.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Why, there's one under the springer gate. There's also one for the german, spanish, chec, etc.

I have been here long enough to be "able" to find stuff, and I STILL have a hard time with BOTH!

New users have a very hard time figuring out where to look for/post things.   The search function on GTA... Hoovers/Electroluxes.

I am not the first one to mention the search function lacks all that and the bag of chips.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 05, 2019, 03:33:50 PM
I got news for ya, every forum I'm on their search function suxs.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 03:37:41 PM
I got news for ya, every forum I'm on their search function suxs.

Same forum software and the search function works better because the site is indexed.  www.pizzamaking.com (http://www.pizzamaking.com)

Other than indexing the site, I don't know what the other differences are.   Updates perhaps?   I don't know.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on September 05, 2019, 06:55:44 PM
You have better luck just running a google search at times.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 05, 2019, 07:07:15 PM
You have better luck just running a google search at times.

Or duckduckgo, but yes, that is the best way to search.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 06, 2019, 11:14:13 AM
I'm dis-assembling one of my parts gun.  What's the trick to get the hammer to drop out?  Something outside of the sear seems to be keeping it from dropping out the back.   I wanted to get the weight and some dim, but also looks like you have to have hammer out to push the valve out? 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 06, 2019, 12:59:47 PM
John, if some idiot dry fire the gun alot, the hammer will hit the hammer stop in the receiver and mushroom it out and keeps the hammer in.  you will have to hit the hammer out from the front end. before that, try getting a pick and pull it, if ya cant then you have to remove the valve first.

get a combination hook and push valve forward via the hole underneath.  make sure the hook is wrapped with electrical tape to prevent gouging the valve end. thats how i get the valve out under 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 06, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
I had the same problem with mine and I don't dry fire it much at all. Even with polishing the end where it hits the valve stem it still gave me a problem getting it out. I ended up polishing out the end closes to where the cocking lever mounts to until it would just fall out when tilled muzzle up. Even after that now it's doing it again.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 06, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
i had to cut a 45 degree chamfer on the edge so its free from that problem. wish i could install a delrin bumper but maybe later on.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 06, 2019, 02:03:21 PM
Thx for the replys.  It turned out that the hammer was hitting on the cocking lever end cap.  After removing that, it just slid out.  I then just pushed the valve out with a dowel rod.   Boy that valve is tiny.  The pictures I've seen make it look much bigger.  Duy, I didn't really understand your "trench" comments, until now.  It forms the exhaust.   I was initially concerned the poppet didn't have a taper at the end where the hammer contacts it.  ie it might mushroom out.  Found out there was a o-ring sealing it and the hole is larger than the poppet shaft OD.  That shouldn't be an issue.

I didn't find any external leaking with the detector spray, but when I removed the plenum there was no air pressure, so betting it is the poppet.  The poppet sealing material has a deep indent where it its the raised edge.  It also looks like the can is just starting to contact valve. 

Fighting with that little Philips screw in the cocking arm assembly, now.  ;)   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 07, 2019, 03:07:32 PM
Thx again for Stephen's video.  Made it easy to deal with the regulator and block dis-assembly/assembly.  I did use Krytox grease on the poly O-rings in the reg that the piston slides on.  Also used it on the valve poppet o-ring.  Moving the poppet in the valve was noticeably easier.   I used 1000cps silicone oil on the Bellville washers and shaft.   

I will say, I'm not crazy about the valve spring being a stop for the regulator piston.  On other regs, that has always been a hard stop with a C-clip.  It is a fairly heavy spring (0.055 wire), but it doesn't have a guide on the reg side.   Mine was slightly bent, as I have seen of others. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 07, 2019, 03:39:09 PM
Thx for the replys.  It turned out that the hammer was hitting on the cocking lever end cap.  After removing that, it just slid out.  I then just pushed the valve out with a dowel rod.   Boy that valve is tiny.  The pictures I've seen make it look much bigger.  Duy, I didn't really understand your "trench" comments, until now.  It forms the exhaust.   I was initially concerned the poppet didn't have a taper at the end where the hammer contacts it.  ie it might mushroom out.  Found out there was a o-ring sealing it and the hole is larger than the poppet shaft OD.  That shouldn't be an issue.

I didn't find any external leaking with the detector spray, but when I removed the plenum there was no air pressure, so betting it is the poppet.  The poppet sealing material has a deep indent where it its the raised edge.  It also looks like the can is just starting to contact valve. 

Fighting with that little Philips screw in the cocking arm assembly, now.  ;)   

I took my dremel with a cut off wheel and made a slot in the top to use a screw driver to hold it. It is loctited
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 07, 2019, 06:11:26 PM
Fighting with that little Philips screw in the cocking arm assembly, now.  ;)   
I took my dremel with a cut off wheel and made a slot in the top to use a screw driver to hold it. It is loctited

I gave up on it, yesterday, but thx for the info.  The next time I will try to loosen the locktite with some heat, and if necessary cut the slot you suggest.  Thx.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 09, 2019, 09:47:28 PM
The only advantage with the StormRider might be that it's a repeater.
Mods/customer service and parts availability advantages goes to the Disco and/or Maximus.
The StormRider is a 3k gun.... more hand pumping.
Hey Duy
Here's an update on the purchase decision
I bought a Maximus 22 for use with my hand pump.
Wouldn't you know though
the way the word works,
2 days later a new in box Yong Heng popped up on Craigslist
The seller decided he just had to have all the bells and whistles of the set the psi & forget it version
I snapped it up for a song, called Ty at ATI; and bought a Liberty 22

So it looks like I'll be listening in a lot to what you'ze guyz are talking about re Freedoms & Libertys.

Thanks for the advice & support.

Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SoCalZac on September 09, 2019, 11:57:16 PM
So after much playing with the trigger I finally have something that is awesome!! The front screw doesn’t do anything. The 2 screws in the back I replaced with longer pointed set screws and I am finally able to get the trigger pull down to 3/4-1LB single stage and absolutely no creep.On the two screws behind the trigger I screwed the rear one in almost all the way and the front screw about half way. It is so much nicer than stock!

(https://i.imgur.com/EJKbsIq.jpg)



I ordered a .22 Liberty parts gun in synthetic and a Freedom parts gun today. Hopefully it’s just some minor issues but even if not it shouldn’t be any problem fixing them. Can’t wait to get them!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 10, 2019, 12:20:34 PM
Well, I reinstalled Duy's DC valve and had a heck of a time getting it to seal enough so my compressor could get it above 800 psi. Finally using the peek poppet and some lapping compound got it to seal and now it's shooting vel. all over the place. Need to do some tuning with the hammer spring adj. and some hammer weights today as it just got to late last night. Hopefully I'll be getting my scba tank back tomorrow from getting hydro'd and will be able to pressurize the Liberty fast enough to  get above that 2000 psi thresh hold to get it to seal. After shooting it a bunch I doubt I'll have problems getting it to seal at a lot lower pressure just need to let the poppet settle in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 10, 2019, 12:58:10 PM
One thing I noticed on both parts gun, in the last couple of days, with the gun depressurized, and barrel band removed, it is easy to flex the air tube, in relation to the barrel.  It is flexing at the regulator, between the receiver and reg block.  I fully assembled with barrel band before pressurizing.  I suspect, but didn't check, if it was much more solid.   I'm wondering if this is what was causing the barrel drooping/elevated issues.  Thinking of making a shim such that on the last rotation of the block, it becomes tight with the receiver.  My original Liberty had/has the barrel droop, so that would be a good test when I fix that poppet. 

Anyone have other insight in this?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 10, 2019, 01:12:41 PM
I remember reading some one posted that until you you've got 1000 psi in the rifle things will move around which is what I saw last night when I put my rifle back together. I hadn't installed the barrel or the stock just the air tube/reg to the receiver to get it aired up and until there was that 1000 psi threshold it would flex and rotate. I know every time I go to shoot it after putting it back together the scope is no where near zero.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 10, 2019, 05:11:03 PM
Well, got her all back together and holding air perfectly BUT, the hammer and the pellet probe are really hard to move when cocking. The hammer is just about seized in the receiver and was giving me very scattered vel. !st shot after getting her back together came in at 1114 fps with a CPHP 14.3. I've going yeh!! Then I did a 5 5 shot string with some 25.31 rabbits and was getting around 45 fpe. Decided to try the H&N 21.14 cudas and all of a sudden I'm getting 500 and 600 fps readings. WTHeck. Went ahead and disassembled her back down to parts and man the hammer and pellet probe are very hard to move where just before I put it back together the hammer would fall down into the receiver of it's own weight. Can't figure out what in the heck is happening. I'm not over tighting anything that would cause the receiver to get pinched.  ??????
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 10, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
Robert, if the hammer wont fall free into or out of the receiver. its gotta be the hammer stop in the receiver thats a little tight from getting hit.

take a 1/2 ball end mill or 1/2 reamer with 45 degree cuts, clean the edge a little bit. that should take care of it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 10, 2019, 08:55:44 PM
Well, the hammer problem is fixed. It must have been a burr that was hanging up the hammer. Just took a 31/64 drill bit, locked into the vice and  sloowly turned the receiver and it was hard to turn for a full turn but after that freed right up. Now the hammer slides right in and out with no problems. 31/64 is .002 larger than the small part of the hammer and it worked out great. Now I'm trying to figure out where in the heck the burr came from?????
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 11, 2019, 05:25:05 PM
Well, now for the continuing story of My Liberty! Everything back together. Vel not what they should be so I depressurized it again. Turned the reg adj down to 1/4 turn cw. Pressurized it back up to 3000 psi with the stock spring this time and the HS adj turned in until the spring coil bound then backed it off so it would cock. Still not working like it should so until I depressurized it down to 2500 psi. Thinking that the reg vent hole is plugged again disassembled the reg and using a pin vice and .042 drill bit went to try and clean it out. The drill bit got real hard to turn so tried to back it out and don't ya know it, broke the bit!!!!! Double dang dang!!!! Vent hole is plugged up completely so not sure what to do about drilling another hole to vent the reg. Frustrated as heck!! Almost to the point of just using it like a none reg air rifle.
Oh, and I think the hammer is hanging up again!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 11, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
wow robert.
 
give me the shot string data. what was the velocities like? what do you think went wrong before you decide to drill the reg vent hole?

it sounded like the velocities were very low at first and climbs as the pressure drops?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 11, 2019, 06:05:53 PM
I turned the reg down 1/4 turn cw to try and get vel that was more than 650 with the pressure up at 3000. Could get it up to around 800 after the pressure was down to around 2500 where before I was getting 1114 with the same 14.3 pellet. Just need to step away from it for the rest of the day and do something else.
Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/10/2019 11:56   final tune with a DC valve         2   1   25.31   69 °F   1019.00 inHG
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
5   867   42.25   21.94               
4   870   42.54   22.02               
3   889   44.42   22.5               
2   891   44.62   22.55               
1   903   45.83   22.85               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
884   15.17   867   903   36   884.2   0.06   0   

This was from yesterday just before the hammer seized up.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 12, 2019, 12:31:12 AM
Fix it! Drilled a new hole with a .046 drill and I think the hammer problem was caused by me over tightening the screw that hold in the valve but won't know until I can do some shot strings tomorrow. Did shoot one CPHP 14.3 and got 1071 FPS and that was with 3K psi.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 12, 2019, 12:37:24 AM
Fix it! Drilled a new hole with a .046 drill and I think the hammer problem was caused by me over tightening the screw that hold in the valve but won't know until I can do some shot strings tomorrow. Did shoot one CPHP 14.3 and got 1071 FPS and that was with 3K psi.

How loud was/is it at 1071 fps?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 12, 2019, 01:15:05 AM
Almost as loud as the 1114 fps I did 2 days ago. Loud!! Once I finally get it shooting consistent I'm going to try and quite it down some. I've got the peek poppet sealing up just fine.   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on September 12, 2019, 01:33:51 AM
Almost as loud as the 1114 fps I did 2 days ago. Loud!! Once I finally get it shooting consistent I'm going to try and quite it down some. I've got the peek poppet sealing up just fine.
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Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 12, 2019, 09:14:23 AM
get the reg down to 2500 psi...then play with the Hs adjuster
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 12, 2019, 08:04:17 PM
With the stock reg setting. I gotta tell ya those first few shots really made my ears ring!! lol

Forgot to say, I subbed the avg for shot #3
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 12, 2019, 08:32:20 PM
feed it two pellets and see what the velocity is like pushing heavier slugs, 28 grains should do 840fps, but your potential is still upper 55fpe with higher reg
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 12, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
With the stock reg setting. I gotta tell ya those first few shots really made my ears ring!! lol

Forgot to say, I subbed the avg for shot #3

Pardon the intrusion, please
What program is that you are using to track your shot string?
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 12, 2019, 10:30:58 PM
26.1 AVS slug gave 888.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 12, 2019, 10:38:54 PM
With the stock reg setting. I gotta tell ya those first few shots really made my ears ring!! lol

Forgot to say, I subbed the avg for shot #3

Pardon the intrusion, please
What program is that you are using to track your shot string?
Ed
It's a excel program that triggertreat made and can be down loaded here. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146784.msg1545959#msg1545959 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=146784.msg1545959#msg1545959)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 13, 2019, 12:09:29 AM
Thanks
That just saved lots of making a spreadsheet time
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 13, 2019, 12:26:25 AM
26.1 AVS slug gave 888.

888 at what regulator pressure? 3000psi?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 13, 2019, 01:53:46 AM
No idea what the pressure is but the reg is set to original.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 13, 2019, 01:57:06 AM
Thanks
That just saved lots of making a spreadsheet time
Yep! I had been using one that converted mps to fps and figured high vel and low vel along with fpe. This one is much better as it gives you a lot of info to use when tuning
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 12:00:17 AM
Was just trying to get my Liberty quited down. No joy!!! That thing is LOUD!!!!. My have to try the old hair curler/felt trick to see what it will do.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 16, 2019, 03:12:59 AM
I never thought either one (Liberty or the Freedom) were all that loud myself.  I'm not really a back yard shooter though, simply because I live in suburbia and don't think it's a good idea to draw attention, especially considering all the hype over guns these days, people look at them in general as being evil I think ??? It's the person behind the trigger that's the evil one.  My Airmax Dominator is quiet however it does have a good LDC on it, I personally think that both the Liberty and the Freedom are plenty long and I really don't need any more length.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 09:59:31 AM
I feel the Liberty is “hunting” quiet, but not “backyard” quiet.  I live in a rural area which is PB friendly, but still prefer that people don’t know I’m shooting.  I made my first Liberty “backyard” quiet by using Mrod baffles and shroud section and by shifting the shroud forward 1.75”.

I ordered some eBay baffles for my planned 25 cal conversion that should arrive today.  I’ll be posting a short thread on them, latter this week.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on September 16, 2019, 10:31:23 AM
I'm regularly reading comments on different forums regarding leaking issues.  It seems like ATI receives a high number of returns, presumably for this very reason.

It appears ATI never repairs these guns, since they don't have the parts necessary to do so.  Instead they send out replacement rifles, never addressing the issue.   

My cousin's Liberty developed a slow leak before it even saw a full tin of pellets.   That slow leak has worsened, and the rifle will be shipped back to ATI this week.

I purchased my very own Liberty less than 2 months ago.  So far, so good...no leaks...yet. But I just can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before mine leaks too. 

I realize that most, if not all, PCP guns will eventually leak and require some kind of maintenance. However, these guns seem more prone to leaking than others.

It's frustrating because this a great gun when it's functioning properly.  But how can you put trust in it when replacement parts are virtually nonexistent and a leaking issue seems to be inevitable?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 11:43:30 AM
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets.  The material is too soft.   Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue.  Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK.   Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members.  Duy makes a performance poppet, as well.   I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone.  There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring. 




 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 11:53:51 AM
The problem in most cases is the poppet valve leaking due to a bad design. Will is working on making a replacement poppet out of delrin to replace the soft material that is used in the poppet stock. Once he gets it to final design I'm sure we'll have that problem under control. Most other problems are usually a Oring failure or it wasn't assembled right from the factory. Mine had a leaky poppet when I bought mine along with a loose airtube. I cut the metal can of the poppet back about .010 or so with a dremel and the stem chucked into a drill. It just recently started to leak but I just installed a DC valve with a peek poppet so I doubt it will ever leak again from the poppet.You also have to remember, a lot of us have increased the working pressure of the rifle along with shimming the HS which is putting a lot more stress on the poppet which it was never designed for.

Beat me to it fuzy!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 16, 2019, 12:25:14 PM
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets.  The material is too soft.   Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue.  Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK.   Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members.  Duy makes a performance poppet, as well.   I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone.  There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring. 

 
It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
That's a balloon secured to the barrel. Correct?
Is a balloon test also valid over the gauge & fill port?

When searching out the source of leaks, where are the other  places to look; and what are the methods (such as soapy water) for finding them?

Thanks
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 12:37:43 PM
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets.  The material is too soft.   Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue.  Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK.   Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members.  Duy makes a performance poppet, as well.   I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone.  There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring. 

 
It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
That's a balloon secured to the barrel. Correct? 

Yes, shroud removed and balloon around barrel and I used a heavy rubber band with multiple wraps.


Is a balloon test also valid over the gauge & fill port?

Gauge - No.  Fill port if it is a foster type.  Maybe attached to the probe end.



When searching out the source of leaks, where are the other  places to look; and what are the methods (such as soapy water) for finding them?

Any place that has a seal.  I've used soapy water and the CRC aerosol.  Even with this, slow leaks can be hard to find.   I tried to find my plastic Liberty leak yesterday, but was not successful.


Thanks
Ed


My comments above:
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
you guys beat me to it.

I understand some people are apprehensive about working on their airguns. And constantly asking questions about replacement parts because they think it's an easy fix. Some turn away from the gun because there is no replacement parts support.

Yes having abundant availability of replacement parts is a PLUS, but it's not really a permanent fix if the problem keeps coming back or if you think it's going to come back.

For example, with the soft sealing material, the right solution is to make a poppet out of delrin or peek. The other solution is to modify and fix it yourself. it's not too hard if you take the poppet CAN that holds the sealing material, and grind or file it down a little bit. Or better, buy the delrin rod in the right diameter, drill a through hole and grind down the Outside diameter then replace the soft material with it. IF you dont have a Lathe, make a drill lathe, it's not hard to turn delrin down, I can turn it down with my teeth If I can hold my chin without chatter, and if there weren't any better tools.  ;D

I have never thought about buying replacement parts from ATI or the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 01:07:54 PM
The poppet is very easy to replace. Pull the action from the stock ( easier on the wood stock than the syn stock) degas, remove the barrel, unscrew air tube/reg from receiver and thar she is. Use some needle nose pliers or even some tweezers to put it out as the O ring that seals the stem will hold it in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on September 16, 2019, 01:29:52 PM
I'm regularly reading comments on different forums regarding leaking issues.  It seems like ATI receives a high number of returns, presumably for this very reason.

It appears ATI never repairs these guns, since they don't have the parts necessary to do so.  Instead they send out replacement rifles, never addressing the issue.   

My cousin's Liberty developed a slow leak before it even saw a full tin of pellets.   That slow leak has worsened, and the rifle will be shipped back to ATI this week.

I purchased my very own Liberty less than 2 months ago.  So far, so good...no leaks...yet. But I just can't shake the feeling that it's only a matter of time before mine leaks too. 

I realize that most, if not all, PCP guns will eventually leak and require some kind of maintenance. However, these guns seem more prone to leaking than others.

It's frustrating because this a great gun when it's functioning properly.  But how can you put trust in it when replacement parts are virtually nonexistent and a leaking issue seems to be inevitable?

Yes, that poppet material is to soft and the length is to short as the outside of the cup stops it from sealing. I made a few Delrin poppet inserts and gave some out already. I replaced the standard insert in two of my guns, one is working the other I got to fix.

The poppet thing is pretty easy but everything everything must fit right.  The spring on the end must be ground even also, I think this is a issue .. The manufacturer did a bad ob on this.

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 01:39:36 PM
I recently had the fill assy apart and the gauge is M8 with a o-ring sealing on the back.  Small gauges are notorious for leaks, so ordered these to have on hand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) 

I am also looking into installing a gauge in the plenum plug.  That would take a M10 gauge, given the inside pocket is 9mm.  I already have the gauges, but Duy recommended using a reamer before hand threading with a M10 X 1.0 tap.  I will post a thread once I receive the reamer and perform.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Hawkeye51 on September 16, 2019, 02:33:18 PM
Edward

Balloon test will work to detect leaky poppet, but this is quicker. Expose barrel, get liquid dish soap ( dawn etc.) put a drop between your 1st finger & thumb. Make a thin film and touch your finger to the end of barrel. Even if your leak is super small,
You will be able to see the soap film start to bulge. (5 min. will show any leak)

Be sure to wipe ALL of the soap cilm off & apply light coat of silicine oil to protect from rust.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 02:46:56 PM
I recently had the fill assy apart and the gauge is M8 with a o-ring sealing on the back.  Small gauges are notorious for leaks, so ordered these to have on hand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) 

I am also looking into installing a gauge in the plenum plug.  That would take a M10 gauge, given the inside pocket is 9mm.  I already have the gauges, but Duy recommended using a reamer before hand threading with a M10 X 1.0 tap.  I will post a thread once I receive the reamer and perform.
Watching!! I want a gage on the plenum so much. Right now it's just a guessing game.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 03:43:32 PM
i didnt look into the m10x1 gauge because i had a bunch of 1/8npt and m8x1 gauges. but it would seem m10x1 gauge will be perfect.

 i recommend reaming from the threaded end to the outside of the plenum's plug. going from inside to outside since the hole is already some .351. that way you won't misalign the hole drilling a 8mm hole from outside in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 03:51:10 PM
Reaming out to the 9mm for the M10 gauge will remove the complete screwdriver slot in the plug.  That should allow the o-ring to seal.  A 2mm X 10mm o-ring should work. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
if there is not an oring groove cut into the plug, i wonder if that oring will prevent air seeping out? 70 duro stretches out a bit under pressure. i would think a delron oring would work better. since the freedom's breech gauge used a delron as an oring. worst comes you can use thread tape or jbweld.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 05:09:58 PM
The oem M8 gauge uses a 2mm X 8mm 90D NBR o-ring, so think I'll be OK.  The bottom plug has room for more than needed threads, so also thought about epoxy a plug with small center hole, such that I could compress an o-ring or Delrin washer between it and the gauge.  Back up plan. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 06:45:21 PM
How deep is the o ring groove that seals the plenum plug
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 16, 2019, 06:49:28 PM
I believe the primary cause of 90+% of the leaks, is the poppets.  The material is too soft.   Apparently, this is not the only mfg that has had this issue.  Even if Nova Vista or ATI had oem poppets available, I'd recommend getting one made from Delrin or PEEK.   Will is working on some Delrin inserts and plans to send some out to GTA members.  Duy makes a performance poppet, as well.   I posted a thread on a DIY method, but its not for everyone.  There have been other leaks, but no consolidated data on it being more than a damaged o-ring. 

 
It's my understanding that the best test for a leaking poppet is the balloon test.
That's a balloon secured to the barrel. Correct? 

Yes, shroud removed and balloon around barrel and I used a heavy rubber band with multiple wraps.


Is a balloon test also valid over the gauge & fill port?

Gauge - No.  Fill port if it is a foster type.  Maybe attached to the probe end.



When searching out the source of leaks, where are the other  places to look; and what are the methods (such as soapy water) for finding them?

Any place that has a seal.  I've used soapy water and the CRC aerosol.  Even with this, slow leaks can be hard to find.   I tried to find my plastic Liberty leak yesterday, but was not successful.


Thanks
Ed


My comments above:
Edward

Balloon test will work to detect leaky poppet, but this is quicker. Expose barrel, get liquid dish soap ( dawn etc.) put a drop between your 1st finger & thumb. Make a thin film and touch your finger to the end of barrel. Even if your leak is super small,
You will be able to see the soap film start to bulge. (5 min. will show any leak

Be sure to wipe ALL of the soap cilm off & apply light coat of silicine oil to protect from rust.
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Thanks, Hawkeye51
Thanks John
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 16, 2019, 07:10:52 PM
I recently had the fill assy apart and the gauge is M8 with a o-ring sealing on the back.  Small gauges are notorious for leaks, so ordered these to have on hand: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KK5Y1V9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) 

I am also looking into installing a gauge in the plenum plug.  That would take a M10 gauge, given the inside pocket is 9mm.  I already have the gauges, but Duy recommended using a reamer before hand threading with a M10 X 1.0 tap.  I will post a thread once I receive the reamer and perform.
Are each of you relocating the gauge to the plenum, or adding a gauge to the rifle?
If adding a gauge; what is its' purpose?

I have also been thinking about relocating the gauge.
Not for performance; but because the pointing the gun at my face to view the gauge is absurd.
Is there a place that one can drill & tap into the reservoir to accomplish this?
I have no issues drilling an access hole in the pretty wood stock

Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 16, 2019, 07:19:01 PM
It is adding a 2nd gauge that reads the plenum pressure that way when the regulator is adjusted you can see what it is set to.  From a shot string, it is not always easy to tell where it is.

I have a few guns that have the gauge there.  The first was a bit unnerving, but got use to it.  Always know if it is cocked or not.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 16, 2019, 09:08:27 PM
It is adding a 2nd gauge that reads the plenum pressure that way when the regulator is adjusted you can see what it is set to.  From a shot string, it is not always easy to tell where it is.

I have a few guns that have the gauge there.  The first was a bit unnerving, but got use to it.  Always know if it is cocked or not.
Thanks, John
I figured it was to monitor the regulator; but needed to ask.
I'm not that far along making friends with the Liberty that I should be thinking of mods.
The gun needs to be shot as built for awhile first.

Tenacity, & a love of brainstorming often spell trouble.
I wonder what obstacles there would be swapping locations between the gauge & the fill port.




Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
what do you mean swapping locations between the gauge and fill port?

there is no swapping, but there should be "adding" another gauge to the removable Plenum and "leaving" the fill gauge alone.  ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 09:55:06 PM
Was just trying to get my Liberty quited down. No joy!!! That thing is LOUD!!!!. My have to try the old hair curler/felt trick to see what it will do.
Just to justify my statement, my Liberty with 14.3 pellets are exceeding the speed of sound at my altitude. That is why no joy on quitting it down. Loud she be!!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 09:58:35 PM
Was just trying to get my Liberty quited down. No joy!!! That thing is LOUD!!!!. My have to try the old hair curler/felt trick to see what it will do.
Just to justify my statement, my Liberty with 14.3 pellets are exceeding the speed of sound at my altitude. That is why no joy on quitting it down. Loud she be!!!!

i want to see double feed 14.3 to 28.6grains fps
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 16, 2019, 10:01:22 PM
I told you that Stephens 26 gr are getting 888 fps. I'll finally be able to do some accuracy testing as I've ordered some 26 gr AVS slugs today along with some griffin slug. I got a feeling the giffins are going to be too big and not work in the Liberty.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 16, 2019, 11:46:44 PM
oh i meant at a higher pressure, dont you wanna push it harder?

not bad for stock setting though
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 12:51:55 AM
I ll see when I get the AVS 26 gr slugs I ordered today.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Stikkershokk on September 17, 2019, 10:11:58 AM
oh i meant at a higher pressure, dont you wanna push it harder?

Funny, for me on Liberties, I think I am going to go for accurate, high shot-count. If I want to crank something up for a few power shots, I'll use a Freedom.  :)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on September 17, 2019, 10:33:06 AM
 Same here Liberty 1 .177, total stock OTB perfect for FT, sparrow / rat sniping etc.
                  Liberty 2 .22 so good accurate performance does shoot slugs that fit accurate just over 650 fps. but I mainly use pellets due to the factory settings working well.
                   My Freedom .22 I have set up with the open sights and use AVS slugs for small game in dense areas.  8)

 BTW I have not had to tinker with any of mine as of yet and mine were  some of the first to hit the market.

 Though I do follow the innovative things that are happening with these Nova guns.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 17, 2019, 10:59:38 AM
 ;D...

doesn't power entice you guys even a little?
where are the power hungry folks?
i dont know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe, i just dont play with it. must be a power deficiency disease
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 17, 2019, 11:08:56 AM
where are the power hungry folks?
i dont know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe,

They disappeared down that big rabbit hole never to be seen again   :D 

Given TX, I assume longer range and shooting slugs is a priority.  What is your prime hunting or pesting target? 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on September 17, 2019, 12:05:21 PM
;D...

doesn't power entice you guys even a little?
where are the power hungry folks?
i dont know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe, i just dont play with it. must be a power deficiency disease

For me it's too much of a P.I.A. to take it apart to only find out later, after it's all put back together, that I've got a problem that I didn't have before  ;D
I've got my Marauder to use in case a stray Lion, Tiger or Bear strays near the Bird Feeder  ::)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
;D...

doesn't power entice you guys even a little?
where are the power hungry folks?
I don't know whats wrong with me but if my pellet guns cant push minimum 55fpe, I just don't play with it. must be a power deficiency disease
Nothing wrong with you Duy. You just want to see how much you can get out of what ever you're working on. It ends up being a sense of pride and accomplishment and I understand it. MOST people want to accomplish things which is why we've been to the moon, can fly anywhere in the world, make a nice home for themselves and their family etc.   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 17, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
getting ready to go hunt beginning of October.  critters around here wont let you get closer than 50 yards. and i want 100yd capability, mainly hunting.

thats right Robert. to find the other end.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on September 17, 2019, 12:51:18 PM
For me shooting the liberty between 32-35 fpe is more than enough. I shoot 18.13 gr'rs in the 910 ish fps area and it takes care of everything I could want to take care of with my airgun. Shooting NSA 21gr .217 slugs at about 850 fpe work just great too and are super on those bigger critters.

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 17, 2019, 03:56:34 PM
what do you mean swapping locations between the gauge and fill port?

there is no swapping, but there should be "adding" another gauge to the removable Plenum and "leaving" the fill gauge alone.  ;)
I hear ya' Duy!
I can always add a plenum gauge
Swapping locations between the fill port & the reservoir gauge results in never having to point the gun toward my face to check the pressure
For some reason that bothers me (Not meant to be  snide comment)
Maybe I can get my hands on a complete Front Air Tube Assembly from ATI to play with.
If you have any thoughts on feasibility, let me know.
Ed
 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 04:03:10 PM
Hey Duy, can you make an adapter to use a gage to screw into the place that the plenum screws into? That actually would allow people to set the pressure on their reg and because once it's set we could just reinstall the plenum. Maybe after the first of the year I'll be looking at getting one of Billy's plenums but right now don't have the money to spend.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 17, 2019, 04:22:42 PM
I think the threads on the plenum are coarser than the M10 X 1.0 gauges I have.  I think the diameter was the same. 

Anyway, it didn't fit, but was thinking along the same lines.  It would be a PITA tuning though.  Tuning is usually iterative.  Adjust pressure, adjust hammer energy, shoot string, repeat..  Swapping a gauge and plenum back and forth, not so much fun. ;)

That's when I looked at the plenum plug.   The syn stock should be no problem with leaving it permanent.  Not sure on the wood yet. 

I do think an adapter could be made, but think it would also be more difficult than the plug.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 05:20:12 PM
The question I have about using the plenum plug to mount a gage is, is there enough meat left to where the O ring groove is to be strong enough to handle up to say 3K psi? The nice thing about using an adaptor at least you can adj to a pressure someone like Duy has already noted works to give the power wanted. It also makes it easy to check for reg creep which is a problem with these rifles.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Well, I tried to turn the reg up just 1/8 of a turn CCW. Even with the HS adj tightened until just before HS coil bind and all I could get with 21.14 cudas is low 700 fps. I really need to shorten the poppet stem back down to stock length. Either my reg isn't working at all or is the setting is all out of whack and I'm pushing way more pressure than expected.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 17, 2019, 07:14:55 PM
Edward.
 I do not recommend you doing anything to the gauge. Just use an extendable mirror to see the pressure when you are on the Butt end of the rifle. you can find those at walmart or any autoparts store. Better yet, empty or remove the magazine, dry fire a couple of times and put it on safe before you look at the muzzle end to see the gauge. Nothing to it.

But if you insist on relocating the gauge. you can put a m8x1 gauge on the block between the pressure tube and the regulator. it requires reaming and tapping and you have only one chance!

Robert,
I have made an adapter to the receiver (m10x1.25) using the m8 gauge, but it was one of a kind and I gave it to Ray. I won't tap a 1/8 npt to the plenum because 1/8npt calls for .343 or less while the whole is .351 already. But if you want i can mate a m10x1 mpa gauge to the plenum if you send the plenum to me. let me know via text. the adapter to the receiver is time consuming to make and only tell pressure but an adapter to the plenums will make more sense in increasing the volume and tell pressure at each shot.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 17, 2019, 07:16:54 PM
Well, I tried to turn the reg up just 1/8 of a turn CCW. Even with the HS adj tightened until just before HS coil bind and all I could get with 21.14 cudas is low 700 fps. I really need to shorten the poppet stem back down to stock length. Either my reg isn't working at all or is the setting is all out of whack and I'm pushing way more pressure than expected.

no way to tell with no gauge. but I am thinking you are pushing the pressure higher than the hammer can open. did you say 26.1 grains were going 888 at oem reg pressure? do you have hammer weight or no?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 17, 2019, 08:42:58 PM
No hammer weight. I did have that McMaster spring with the cut down 9mm bullet for weight but I wasn't sure if that caused the hammer sticking problem or not but I haven't had any problem with it since I went back to the stock spring.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 18, 2019, 08:43:48 AM
The question I have about using the plenum plug to mount a gage is, is there enough meat left to where the O ring groove is to be strong enough to handle up to say 3K psi?

I'll have to check the o-ring area, but with the gauge in place, don't think that it is going to collapse inward because the wall is thinner.   

If you are not comfortable with the mod, by all means don't do it. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 18, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
I'm not talking collapse inward but blowing outward.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 18, 2019, 12:20:54 PM
Orings without grooves generally will not hold air in, i have tried it with my gauge adapter mated to the receiver, it wont hold in without a groove cut into the adapter. air will seep out on high pressure.

just use thread tape, its easier to remove the gauge if needed.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 18, 2019, 12:31:32 PM
I'm not talking collapse inward but blowing outward.

That would mainly be thread engagement, which should have plenty of that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 18, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
Orings without grooves generally will not hold air in, i have tried it with my gauge adapter mated to the receiver, it wont hold in without a groove cut into the adapter. air will seep out on high pressure.

just use thread tape, its easier to remove the gauge if needed.

I guess I'll plan on doing the sandwich seal at the bottom of the gauge.  I was actually expecting that on the M8 fill assy gauge.  https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 18, 2019, 12:37:49 PM
Orings without grooves generally will not hold air in, i have tried it with my gauge adapter mated to the receiver, it wont hold in without a groove cut into the adapter. air will seep out on high pressure.

just use thread tape, its easier to remove the gauge if needed.
IMO the grey PTFE tape (impregnated with nickel) is stronger; & the nickle lubricates the threads.
Opinions, facts please!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 18, 2019, 01:12:24 PM

Quote

I guess I'll plan on doing the sandwich seal at the bottom of the gauge.  I was actually expecting that on the M8 fill assy gauge.  https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Paintball-Pressure-Gasket-Sealing-Connector/dp/B07JF6SLK1/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=M10%2Bgauge%2Bseals&qid=1568820869&sr=8-2&th=1&psc=1)

those seals have OD smaller than the OD of the threads. its meant to seal against the flat surfaces on both sides on the gauge hole and the plenum plug if it has flat surface inside that 9mm hole you about to ream out. but its a through hole...

you can get a small lat seal like the with 10mm ID to seal against the back of gauge and flat surface of the plenum's plug. right?

any thread tape will work, doesnt matter grey or black. simple and it works.......
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 18, 2019, 01:32:58 PM

those seals have OD smaller than the OD of the threads. its meant to seal against the flat surfaces on both sides on the gauge hole and the plenum plug if it has flat surface inside that 9mm hole you about to ream out. but its a through hole...

Yes, it is through hole, but plan to run the treads all the way through and then plug the end.  That's what I meant about a "sandwhich".   ;)

These are straight threaded and not designed to seal at the threads, but tape will be the back-up plan.  ;)

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 18, 2019, 02:33:31 PM
oh, you plan to plug the inside to create a flat surface with a small through hole and fit that seal inside. i guess you can buy a steel m10x1 plug online and do that with jbweld around the plug...?

Ok, your going the extra mile. I hope you still think about the available volume after wards.

When i last tested the oem plenum vs plenum with gauge. from 5.2cc to 5 cc. I actually had a small loss in FPS. may not be a deal breaker to you but I can't have anything like that happening to my guns LOL
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 18, 2019, 02:40:19 PM
oh, you plan to plug the inside to create a flat surface with a small through hole and fit that seal inside. i guess you can buy a steel m10x1 plug online and do that with jbweld around the plug...?

Ok, your going the extra mile. I hope you still think about the available volume after wards.

When i last tested the oem plenum vs plenum with gauge. from 5.2cc to 5 cc. I actually had a small loss in FPS. may not be a deal breaker to you but I can't have anything like that happening to my guns LOL

Yep, that's the plan!  :)   I may just mod one plug, and move it between guns, when tuning.  Would leave it on the 177 where it would have the least impact on fps. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 18, 2019, 04:54:08 PM
My hammer is starting to seize up again!! I know it wasn't any of the screws causing the problem as I made sure to not really tighten them down. Thought maybe it was the McMaster spring along with the 9mm slug causing it. Nope! Still has that problem and I think it has to do with having the HS adj almost to coil bind but just grasping at straws at this point. May just have to ream the receiver out to .5 inches to give the hammer more clearance. I know I'm not the only one having this problem. The hammer is measuring right at .482 evenly but worried that .5 will be much and screw up the sear engagement of the hammer.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 18, 2019, 06:07:50 PM
Robert,

I built my 1911 a while back, but i screw it up by filling the receiver instead of the trigger rail, now all triggers will fit loosely. lesson learned here is NEVER modify the non replaceable part unless really needed.

try to polish the hammer down a couple thousandths first before you try reaming the receiver. dont touch the raised circumference in the rear, that's where the sear engages
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 18, 2019, 09:46:55 PM
I can't remember who wanted the profile of the cocking link but here it is.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 18, 2019, 11:14:30 PM
Well after polishing up the hammer and using the 31/64 to remove any burrs I shot one shot and ended up with 976 fps with a 21.14 gr cuda. Not going to change a thing anymore.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: wll2506 on September 18, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
Well after polishing up the hammer and using the 31/64 to remove any burrs I shot one shot and ended up with 976 fps with a 21.14 gr cuda. Not going to change a thing anymore.

That is it, you are done ! ... one more mod by you and I'm coming over to your house to take that Liberty away from you ;- ) ..... LOL, LOL, LOL.

wll
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 18, 2019, 11:29:49 PM
Promises promises!!!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 19, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
So when I get one of Billy's plenums that's it for ya??? Cause that's next on the mod list but not until after the first of the year.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 19, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/19/2019 13:39   26 gr griffin slugs         0   1   26   N/A   N/A
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
5   872   43.91   22.67               
4   884   45.12   22.98               
3   897   46.46   23.32               
2   904   47.19   23.5               
1   915   48.34   23.79               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
894.4   16.83   872   915   43   894.4   0.02   0   
The griffin slugs are around .001 larger than the AVS slugs.

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/19/2019 13:47   26 gr avs slugs         0   1   26.1   N/A   N/A
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
5   887   45.6   23.15               
4   898   46.74   23.44               
3   906   47.58   23.65               
2   916   48.63   23.91               
1   920   49.06   24.01               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
905.4   13.41   887   920   33   905.4   0.06   0   

the AVS slugs are more consistent. They were both started with 3000 psi down to 2500 psi.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 19, 2019, 09:16:07 PM
Can you take the fill pressure up to 3500 and run another 5 shots? Id like to see if the velocity still declines. No need to waste slugs. Pellets would tell the story.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 19, 2019, 11:00:26 PM
I think the reg is set to high. I'm going to lower the reg pressure. When I go that high, at least before I shortened the stem on my DC valve at 3500 psi I'd only get around 400 fps. Now, I'm not sure what it'll do but will try a little later tonight if I can.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 19, 2019, 11:30:36 PM
Cool. Even run a few extra shots...be curious to see if it keeps declining or flattened out after about 3 or 4 shots and held.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 22, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
Ok here ya go. Sorry it took so long. Started at 3900 psi and shot down to 2300 or 2400 psi then ran out of the cheap crosman pointed pellets.
Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/22/2019 11:25   cpp 14.3 3900 psi         0   3   14.3   83 °F   1013.91 inHG
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
52   1055   35.35   15.09               
51   1065   36.02   15.23               
50   1081   37.11   15.46               
49   1086   37.46   15.53               
48   1104   38.71   15.79               
47   1105   38.78   15.8               
46   ERROR 3                     
45   1115   39.48   15.94               
44   1119   39.77   16               
43   1119   39.77   16               
42   1111   39.2   15.89               
41   1086   37.46   15.53               
40   1084   37.32   15.5               
39   1059   35.62   15.14               
38   1033   33.89   14.77               
37   1036   34.09   14.81               
36   983   30.69   14.06               
35   978   30.38   13.99               
34   992   31.25   14.19               
33   ERROR 2                     
32   926   27.23   13.24               
31   925   27.17   13.23               
30   914   26.53   13.07               
29   900   25.72   12.87               
28   877   24.43   12.54               
27   864   23.71   12.36               
26   841   22.46   12.03               
25   824   21.56   11.78               
24   828   21.77   11.84               
23   807   20.68   11.54               
22   821   21.41   11.74               
21   757   18.2   10.83               
20   740   17.39   10.58               
19   764   18.54   10.93               
18   735   17.16   10.51               
17   751   17.91   10.74               
16   735   17.16   10.51               
15   738   17.3   10.55               
14   749   17.82   10.71               
13   743   17.53   10.62               
12   745   17.63   10.65               
11   762   18.44   10.9               
10   733   17.06   10.48               
9   727   16.78   10.4               
8   727   16.78   10.4               
7   723   16.6   10.34               
6   725   16.69   10.37               
5   729   16.88   10.42               
4   712   16.1   10.18               
3   721   16.51   10.31               
2   701   15.61   10.02               
1   686   14.95   9.81               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
882.82   153.05   686   1119   433   882.82   0.05   0   

Forgot to say, the Reg was turned 1/4 turn CW from original and it has a DC valve
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on September 22, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
Looks like filling to about 2700 and shoot to about 1700 should give lots of more consistent shots.
Thanks for the string. I have never filled over 3000 only because I fill from a scuba tank. Always wondered what I would get from a higher fill.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 22, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
Dang! That reg is just not working. Did you ever trim the poppet stem back to stock length?

Bellvilles stacked in nests of three like...((()))((()))((()))?

Maybe even go another quarter turn cw and back it down a little more and see what happens. Almost like the washers are flattening out. Is it possible you could be a full turn off from factory by accident?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 22, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
No idea.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 22, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
I turned the reg down 1 full turn. This is with 21.14 cudas starting at 3000 psi. I think I need to turn down the HS adj as 10 shots used 900 psi. I should've shot the first shot not over the crono as that's the reg creep showing.

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/22/2019 13:54   21.14 cudas 3000 psi start pressure         3   1   21.14   86 °F   1013.00 inHG
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
10   914   39.22   19.32               
9   917   39.48   19.39               
8   922   39.91   19.49               
7   937   41.22   19.81               
6   931   40.69   19.68               
5   935   41.04   19.77               
4   934   40.96   19.74               
3   939   41.4   19.85               
2   939   41.4   19.85               
1   980   45.09   20.72               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
934.8   18.29   914   980   66   935.12   0.05   0   


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 22, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
That's looking more like it should. I think the reg was cranked up to far getting bypassed. Just got to figure out which pellet shoots best and dial it to where you want it. Would probably be sending 18's around 980 the way it's set now. Looks like you've got a starting point now.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 22, 2019, 08:38:05 PM
I don't know how the reg could've gotten 1 full turn out like that. I only ever turned it 1/4 turn either way from when I got it. I need to turn the HS preload down until the vel starts to drop and it should get a lot better on pressure use.  I did end up shorting the stem on the poppet I got from Duy. I had to do something. I couldn't keep cranking the HS tension up as I'm pretty sure that was what was causing the hammer to start binding from all of the force needed to cock the rifle. By the way, the washer stack you show isn't according to what is stock. It's )))((()))((()))(((. I comes out to 3, 6, 6, 3. Look at the assembly instructions where they show the washer stack.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 22, 2019, 10:22:40 PM
Right on, cant remember which way they started out, been a while sense ive had it apart. I just ment nested stacks of three.  24 of them i believe?

Maybe it got spun when you swapped washers? Either way, glad its heading in the right direction.

I get around 40 or so shots running 18's at 900. Usually only fill to 3600. Filling higher doesn't seem to stretch the shot count out a whole lot more for the added psi.  The reg just isn't as efficient at the higher fill pressures

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 23, 2019, 08:45:53 AM

Maybe it got spun when you swapped washers?

I believe the MC Belleville’s have a larger OD so the stack would be a little longer, so that would seem to make sense.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 23, 2019, 11:17:35 AM
I took the McMaster washers out along time ago and installed the stock one's back in.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 24, 2019, 09:27:29 AM
I found the High Power port on a 177 parts gun at 0.167", basically the same as the 22.   Given the separate part number, was expecting something smaller.   It does not look like it was drilled out, either.   Anyone measure one from a 177?   Maybe a 22 power wheel made its way into this gun?

The barrel port was 0.130" and will open it to 0.140". 

This parts gun was shooting 10.3g JSB 100fps slower than the other.  So far, the likely cause was missing all the washers on the hammer spring.

I also measured max poppet lift, from hammer contact on stem to hammer stop is 0.230".     
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 24, 2019, 11:50:55 PM
The TP in my rifle was at .197 when I checked it and now it's at .217 with a steel power wheel.

Did a shot string with some JSB 18.1 pellets tonight. Started at 3600 psi and ended a around 2600 psi.

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/24/2019 19:42   18.1 jsb         1   1   18.13   72 °F   1014.00 inHG
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
                        
10   987   39.22   17.89               
9   980   38.67   17.77               
8   988   39.3   17.91               
7   993   39.7   18               
6   981   38.75   17.79               
5   984   38.99   17.84               
4   984   38.99   17.84               
3   992   39.62   17.98               
2   991   39.54   17.97               
1   962   37.26   17.44               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
984.2   8.99   962   993   31   984.31   0.06   0   

Man this thing is a air hog!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 25, 2019, 12:08:37 AM
Looks good Robert. A little hot for the 18's. Have you decided where you want to be? Low shot count big power or more shots around 30ish ft lbs? Looks like you'd only get around 20 shots at its current tune.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 25, 2019, 12:19:11 AM
Probably going to just shoot heavier pellets. I've turned the HS adj down as far as it goes hoping it would slow it down some.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 25, 2019, 12:39:47 AM
After it sits for a while, is the first shot slow or faster than the rest? Can help you tune that out if you'd like. 30fps is a bit much. But that could have been because you just filled it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 25, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
I fire one blank shot first before doing shot strings now. The 1st shot is almost always higher than the string if I don't. I changed out the poppet from the short stem peek poppet to a delron long stem poppet Duy made for me. Was finally able to get it to seal and dang if it didn't make the rifle a little more air conserving. I did put a washer in between the poppet and the spring so it will have a little more pressure to seal the poppet but also so the poppet will close faster. Funny thing is is, the JSBs 18r pellets were going just as fast but not using anywhere near the amount of air as it was before. Haven't had a chance to do a full shot string but turning the HS adj does have an effect on the velocities where before it was backed out as far as it could go and had no effect where it was set. I think the sail is going to help conserve air while still giving the power. The stem on the peek poppet ended up to short when I shortened it being shorter than the stock poppet length. Hammer is still sliding in the receiver like it should so I think that problem is solved for now. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 25, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
That's the reg creep. Now, you can tune that out if you'd like. You need to balance the hammer strike to the reg creep and find the middle ground. I often pest at 50 plus yards and my first shot most times is my only shot. Cant have my pellet sailing over my target because its 30 fps faster than the rest.

As yours stands, its got too much hammer strike. If the first shots were slower, you'd need more. You just have to the middle.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 25, 2019, 06:27:41 PM
Robert, if you put the stems side by side and measure them that way, that is not the correct way.

you need to put the poppets into their own valves and place the valve onto a table where the back side of the larger OD of the valve butts up against the tables edge. Then you will measure how long is the stem extruding from edge of table to the end of the stem.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 25, 2019, 06:32:19 PM
I don't pest for the most part just target and plink but want to target shoot at 100 yards and see if I can do as good as Stephen has done which is 1 moa(?) or 1" group. Now if I get a shot at a ground squirrel I'm going to take it but I'm not going to really hunt for pest birds. Now one of the birds I've been thinking of shooting is a Eurasian dove if I can figure out how to cook it where it don't tastes so gamy. I've got a lot of them around my property.


Robert, if you put the stems side by side and measure them that way, that is not the correct way.

you need to put the poppets into their own valves and place the valve onto a table where the back side of the larger OD of the valve butts up against the tables edge. Then you will measure how long is the stem extruding from edge of table to the end of the stem.

I did measure with them in their respective valves but my hand slipped and it ended up a little shorter. That's ok, the delrin poppet worked just fine.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 25, 2019, 06:58:39 PM
That's the reg creep. Now, you can tune that out if you'd like. You need to balance the hammer strike to the reg creep and find the middle ground. I often pest at 50 plus yards and my first shot most times is my only shot. Cant have my pellet sailing over my target because its 30 fps faster than the rest.

As yours stands, its got too much hammer strike. If the first shots were slower, you'd need more. You just have to the middle.

On the Liberty; is adjusting the hammer strike a matter of adding shim washers behind the spring for more strike, & removing (or using thinner ones) to reduce it?

Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on September 25, 2019, 07:53:57 PM
That's the reg creep. Now, you can tune that out if you'd like. You need to balance the hammer strike to the reg creep and find the middle ground. I often pest at 50 plus yards and my first shot most times is my only shot. Cant have my pellet sailing over my target because its 30 fps faster than the rest.

As yours stands, its got too much hammer strike. If the first shots were slower, you'd need more. You just have to the middle.

On the Liberty; is adjusting the hammer strike a matter of adding shim washers behind the spring for more strike, & removing (or using thinner ones) to reduce it?

Ed


Yes. And a very thin shim can make the difference one way or the other.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 25, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
I have an adjustable HS tensioner in mine like Stephen has so just a just of a screw driver will allow me to adj spring pressure. I drilled a hole in the stock like the Aspen/Freedom has to access it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 26, 2019, 12:23:23 AM
I have an adjustable HS tensioner in mine like Stephen has so just a just of a screw driver will allow me to adj spring pressure. I drilled a hole in the stock like the Aspen/Freedom has to access it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME)
[/quote]

On the Liberty; is adjusting the hammer strike a matter of adding shim washers behind the spring for more strike, & removing (or using thinner ones) to reduce it?

Ed
[/quote]


Yes. And a very thin shim can make the difference one way or the other.
[/quote]

Thanks RDB

Robert
Have you found a need to add a locking device on the adjuster?
It appears as if  simple knurled nut would do the job.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on September 26, 2019, 12:49:39 AM
I'll be leaving my liberty like it is (same way it was in the box) for now but eventually I'll tune it for 32-34fpe probably.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7888/47541215152_f88aa38470_b.jpg)

I've been using my Airmax Dominator for squirrel hunting recently anyway.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 26, 2019, 04:04:40 AM
I have an adjustable HS tensioner in mine like Stephen has so just a just of a screw driver will allow me to adj spring pressure. I drilled a hole in the stock like the Aspen/Freedom has to access it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqmmg9xikME)

On the Liberty; is adjusting the hammer strike a matter of adding shim washers behind the spring for more strike, & removing (or using thinner ones) to reduce it?

Ed
[/quote]


Yes. And a very thin shim can make the difference one way or the other.
[/quote]

Thanks RDB

Robert
Have you found a need to add a locking device on the adjuster?
It appears as if  simple knurled nut would do the job.
[/quote]
Not so far but I have not done much adj on it to where I needed it to stay in one setting. Still tuning to see what it likes.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 27, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
Well, after turning down the reg to around 2100 psi I did a 22 shot string with 5 errors, 3000 psi down to 1950 psi and here's the results.

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP   Altitude
9/26/2019 19:27   21.14 shot string         1   1   21.14   75 °F   1009.91 inHG   3000
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF                  
22   879   36.27   18.58                  
21   ERROR 3                        
20   893   37.44   18.88                  
19   ERROR 3                        
18   ERROR 3                        
17   919   39.65   19.43                  
16   ERROR 3                        
15   938   41.31   19.83                  
14   929   40.52   19.64                  
13   936   41.13   19.79                  
12   933   40.87   19.72                  
11   937   41.22   19.81                  
10   935   41.04   19.77                  
9   938   41.31   19.83                  
8   940   41.48   19.87                  
7   943   41.75   19.94                  
6   938   41.31   19.83                  
5   936   41.13   19.79                  
4   938   41.31   19.83                  
3   946   42.01   20                  
2   ERROR 10                        
1   927   40.34   19.6                  
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size      
929.71   17.74   879   946   67   929.81   0.07   0      


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 27, 2019, 11:12:15 AM
I see 15 really usable shots. but only at 40fpe average? is this the DC valve and peek poppet? I get around 8-10 usable shots at 62 FPE with my set up.

you need to play with hammer spring, weight and valve spring. or just get rid of the hammer weight first and use hammer spring adjuster and the valve spring. I know heavy valve spring will give you better shot count
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 27, 2019, 12:47:12 PM
It's the DC valve with the delrin poppet and no hammer weight. I don't want to go any fast with the cudas but want to increase my shot count. There was around 5 errors in that string that I removed so it did get around 20 good shots. I might do another shot string today with a little higher reg setting like 1/8 turn ccw and then turn the HS adj down until the vel is the same and see what that does. I'm going with the cudas because I can get them at around $8 for 200 but they still have good power and good BC. Electric bills have been in the $250 range all summer and has drained the bank account.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 28, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
Well, so much for the delrin poppet!! lol I went to do a shot string to see if I could get more shots per fill. Had everything setup and went to take the first shot and nothing???? WTH??? I had filled it to 3800 psi so thought well maybe I had enough reg creep to lock the valve up. Nope! Had a heck of a time getting the pressure out of the plenum area.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 28, 2019, 10:07:52 PM
Going to send you a peek poppet instead. Give me the OD of that poppet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 28, 2019, 10:23:15 PM
.328" I wonder if the fill pressure had any thing to do with killing the poppet? Like I said, I filled it to 3800 psi and had turned the reg 1/8 turn CCW.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on September 29, 2019, 03:25:09 AM
no, I have never had a failure yet with peek with all the high pressure testing I did. I even tested to 4000psi unregulated. It’s likely the Delron is not up to the task. I think a beefy solid .328” round that uses one valve spring would be better instead of the step down at the valve spring.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 29, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
Well, so much for the delrin poppet!! lol I went to do a shot string to see if I could get more shots per fill. Had everything setup and went to take the first shot and nothing???? WTH??? I had filled it to 3800 psi so thought well maybe I had enough reg creep to lock the valve up. Nope! Had a heck of a time getting the pressure out of the plenum area.

Looks like the stem was driven through the end, and Delrin slid down, and why the plenum didn't leak down.    Peek should be allot stronger, for high reg set-points and/or using allot more energy to hit it. 

I guess it is good to keep the C-clip on, for our Delrin converted poppets.   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on September 29, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
That wasn't peek it was delrin. Just did a 10 shot shot string with the stock valve that I ported. It's using Duy's delrin replacement poppet for the stock valve. It sealed up right from the start with no reworking at all. Efficiency ended up being 1.46 which I figure is pretty good.

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP
9/29/2019 13:03   ported stock valve   start psi 3950   end psi 3450   1   1   21.14   66 °F   1013.00 inHG
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF               
10   880   36.36   18.6               
9   881   36.44   18.62               
8   879   36.27   18.58               
7   888   37.02   18.77               
6   888   37.02   18.77               
5   881   36.44   18.62               
4   885   36.77   18.71               
3   881   36.44   18.62               
2   885   36.77   18.71               
1   906   38.54   19.15               
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size   
885.4   7.93   879   906   27   885.5   0.14   0   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on September 29, 2019, 05:34:34 PM
I have two libertys, wood stock and synthetic. The wood I have shimmed the hammer and turned up the reg. The syn is pure stock. Today I planned to heat up the syn and thought I would run a string for a base line.
Started at 3200 then to 2,900 to 2,800 to 2,500 to 2,200 to 2,000 ended at 1,800.
Going to leave this one stock for plinking and back yard vermin.
PS took one shot before at a target and one shot after and got one large hole. I know not pic so it did not happen but I know it happened and had no plans before I shot this string to post. Was at 25yds.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 29, 2019, 06:15:01 PM
I have two libertys, wood stock and synthetic. The wood I have shimmed the hammer and turned up the reg. The syn is pure stock. Today I planned to heat up the syn and thought I would run a string for a base line.
Started at 3200 then to 2,900 to 2,800 to 2,500 to 2,200 to 2,000 ended at 1,800.
Going to leave this one stock for plinking and back yard vermin.
PS took one shot before at a target and one shot after and got one large hole. I know not pic so it did not happen but I know it happened and had no plans before I shot this string to post. Was at 25yds.
Wow
Another opportunity to display my ignorance
This time by speaking as if I know what I'm talking about.
It's a great way to learn
If those were my numbers (in the high 800 & low 900') I'd be thinking about trying something like the JSB 18.13's

Someone speak up & teach me why/why not please
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on September 29, 2019, 06:47:21 PM
Well, so much for the delrin poppet!! lol I went to do a shot string to see if I could get more shots per fill. Had everything setup and went to take the first shot and nothing???? WTH??? I had filled it to 3800 psi so thought well maybe I had enough reg creep to lock the valve up. Nope! Had a heck of a time getting the pressure out of the plenum area.

Looks like the stem was driven through the end, and Delrin slid down, and why the plenum didn't leak down.    Peek should be allot stronger, for high reg set-points and/or using allot more energy to hit it. 

I guess it is good to keep the C-clip on, for our Delrin converted poppets.   

Actually, the part that probably prevents this, is the flared out part of the stem, before the poppet material. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on September 30, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
Silent squirrel, the reason I switched to the hades 15.9 is they seem to dump more energy it the rats or tree rats that I’m shooting. Less through and through when I switch to low power. ( about 750 FPS and 20 FPE and still very accurate at 25yds) Being a backyard situation I try to avoid a pellet going through a squirrel and continue on to who knows where. 20 FPE is way more than I need but like to make sure they expire on the spot. Head shot and DOA when the hit the ground with very little pass through if any. I shoot the 18s out of my other liberty when I’m out in the field and love them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on September 30, 2019, 01:09:34 PM
Silent squirrel, the reason I switched to the hades 15.9 is they seem to dump more energy it the rats or tree rats that I’m shooting. Less through and through when I switch to low power. ( about 750 FPS and 20 FPE and still very accurate at 25yds) Being a backyard situation I try to avoid a pellet going through a squirrel and continue on to who knows where. 20 FPE is way more than I need but like to make sure they expire on the spot. Head shot and DOA when the hit the ground with very little pass through if any. I shoot the 18s out of my other liberty when I’m out in the field and love them.
Fully understood, LastDog
I'm about to start with the Chrony on my Liberty.
Your reply makes me realize that high & low power numbers are important.

May range is set with targets at 10,20, 30yds

FWIW
I too am in a back yard situation; protecting fruit trees from squirrels.
Since eradication of the entire population is unrealistic; my goal is to etch this area as a death zone into their DNA memory.

Thanks for the helpful info
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on October 03, 2019, 01:30:20 PM
So ATI was unable to repair my cousin's  leaking Liberty and sent us a replacement, as expected.  We decided to purchase the leaking gun in hope of eventually being able to have it repaired.  The order was placed Friday and by Tuesday afternoon we had received both guns.  They have really good customer service . 

When I went to remove the open sights on the new gun, the front sight wouldn't budge, whatsoever.  I'm assuming there's threadlocker keeping it in place.  Nearly broke the allen key trying to loosen its.  No worries, though ...I'm sure it'll come off with a little heat. 

This wasn't the case with the other two Liberty's I mounted scopes on.  On those guns   the front site came right off with little effort.  I'm just curious to know if they're being shipped with threadlocker now from the factory?  Also, the o-rings (bolt probe, fill probe) on the new gun don't look nearly as dry as the ones on our first two guns.  The action/side-lever is also buttery smooth out of the box.   

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on October 03, 2019, 01:38:19 PM
None of my Liberty's were hard to remove the front sight.  One warrantee gun and four parts guns.  One of those part's guns was missing the sights, so guess that didn't count.  ;) 

I'd verify if it is thread locker and not cross-threaded or over-torqued. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 06, 2019, 05:03:05 PM
Anybody know what the screw size is for the front sight? I installed the barrel band from a freedom on my Aspen. When I removed the front sight on my Liberty I thought I had put the screw in with the sight but no joy.

Just did a little tuning on my Liberty with the ported stock valve and the reg turned up 1/8 of a turn. Ended up with 956fps with a cuda 21.14 pellet which is 42.9 fpe. It's not using all that much psi per shot either.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on October 06, 2019, 05:21:28 PM
Anybody know what the screw size is for the front sight? I installed the barrel band from a freedom on my Aspen. When I removed the front sight on my Liberty I thought I had put the screw in with the sight but no joy.

Just did a little tuning on my Liberty with the ported stock valve and the reg turned up 1/8 of a turn. Ended up with 956fps with a cuda 21.14 pellet which is 42.9 fpe. It's not using all that much psi per shot either.

I don't know what the sizes are, but I have 2 different sized screws on my Freedoms front sights, so that may cause you some grief.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on October 06, 2019, 05:43:00 PM
I don't have any known fixtures to 100% confirm, but get 2.91mm OD on the threads, and the pitch looks like it matches 0.5mm.  So think it is M3 x 0.5mm X 6mm SHCS.  This is for the Liberty front sight.

https://www.mcmaster.com/91290a111 (https://www.mcmaster.com/91290a111)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 06, 2019, 07:20:51 PM
Did a shot string with current tune. Start of 3900 psi finish of 3150 psi

Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP   Altitude
10/6/2019 14:58   ported valve 21 cuda   ported stock valve 1/8 turn ccw on reg   st 3900 psi end psi 3150   1   0.033   21.14   85 °F   1012.91 inHG   3000
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF                  
10   961   43.36   20.32                  
9   964   43.63   20.38                  
8   959   43.18   20.27                  
7   963   43.54   20.36                  
6   961   43.36   20.32                  
5   962   43.45   20.34                  
4   957   43   20.23                  
3   960   43.27   20.29                  
2   963   43.54   20.36                  
1   984   45.46   20.8                  
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size      
963.4   7.53   957   984   27   966.72   0.15   0      

I didn't do a clearing shot after filling the rifle. .93 on air efficiency.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on October 06, 2019, 09:42:18 PM
That's got some wallop but how do the Cudas group at those velocities?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 06, 2019, 10:20:56 PM
Don't know yet but thinking I'm going to have to back off the HS adj a little.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on October 06, 2019, 11:08:17 PM
Don't know yet but thinking I'm going to have to back off the HS adj a little.

That will help with the first shot being 20fps faster. Maybe shoot for 920's.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 07, 2019, 12:47:38 AM
I didn't do a clearing shot after pressurizing the rifle which Liberties are know to have the pressure creep in the reg be 400 -500 psi higher than the set point.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on October 07, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
I didn't do a clearing shot after pressurizing the rifle which Liberties are know to have the pressure creep in the reg be 400 -500 psi higher than the set point.

I read that. And you shouldn't have to do a clearing shot if you adjust the hammer spring to compensate for the creep. Did you know if you back it off too much that the first shots will start off 20 fps slower?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 07, 2019, 02:04:33 AM
You're right I shouldn't have to do a clearing shot but that's the nature of this regulator. When you fill the rifle the regulated pressure rises 400 to 500 psi. Heck, just letting it sit for a half of an hour and the regulated pressure will raise. Billy Rohm found that out when he was developing a larger plenum. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40) reply #52.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on October 07, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
You're right I shouldn't have to do a clearing shot but that's the nature of this regulator. When you fill the rifle the regulated pressure rises 400 to 500 psi. Heck, just letting it sit for a half of an hour and the regulated pressure will raise. Billy Rohm found that out when he was developing a larger plenum. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=156494.40) reply #52.

Robert, I'm just trying to help you get it tuned so you don't have to waste a clearing shot. You dont have to except it as being the nature of the reg. You can tune around it. It would be very simple with the hammer spring adjuster you have.

I have the exact same gun with the same creeping regulator! I pulled the gun from the rack where it sat for over a week now. Had about 2900 psi in the tube. Hooked to my compressor and topped it off to 3600. No clearing shot! 913, 907, 910, 911.  Came back 4 hours later. 907, 911, 908, 910.  No voodoo going on, just balancing the hammer strike to work within a certain pressure range.

Nervoustrigger has explained it very well many times.

https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/how-much-effect-of-a-consistent-regulator-on-accuracy/#post-529965 (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/how-much-effect-of-a-consistent-regulator-on-accuracy/#post-529965)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 08, 2019, 12:24:55 PM
I'm using my HS adj to adj vel for different wt. pellets and slugs. From 17.9 gr sniper mag up to 26.1 gr AVS slug.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 12, 2019, 08:08:25 PM
Well, I just did a 9 shot group at aprrox 75 yards with the 9th shot dropping off the reg. It ended up being 1.5 inches with a 5 mph wind and gusts to 8 from variable directions.



Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 12, 2019, 08:09:03 PM
Here's a pic of the range.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 12, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
Just taped it out at 73 and 2/3 yards
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Lastdog on October 13, 2019, 09:44:31 AM
You have your Liberty shooting good strong and accurate. Nice job.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 13, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
I'm surprised that the cudas worked at that velocity. I really thought I would have to slow them down a little.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 13, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
Just cronoed some griffin dished slugs. Of course I changed the HS adj to give the max fps.
Created   Description   Notes1   Notes2   Distance   Coeff   Weight   Temp   BP   Altitude
10/13/2019 13:10   26 griffin slugs   5 shot string      1   1   26   N/A   N/A   3000
#   FPS   FT-LBS   PF                  
5   876   44.31   22.78                  
4   876   44.31   22.78                  
3   880   44.72   22.88                  
2   882   44.92   22.93                  
1   880   44.72   22.88                  
AVG   StdDev   Min   Max   Spread   TrueMV   Shots/Sec   Group Size      
878.8   2.68   876   882   6   878.9   0.07   0      
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Antwuan Maxx on October 14, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
Looking for a source for replacement barrel o-rings.  This is what I found when I decided to tear into our no warrant/parts Liberty.  Hopefully, this the source of the slow leak and didn't occur when I removed the barrel from the receiver.  Still haven't made it to the poppet it just yet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on October 14, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
The barrel orings will not be the cause of your rifle leaking. Air tube oring, reg oring, or poppet valve will be your most likely suspects
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on October 14, 2019, 04:53:23 PM
Unfortunately, it is not the source of your slow leak.   :( 

Those o-rings only seal during the shot cycle.   They are 1.5mm CS X 8mm ID : 11mm OD 90D  Buna-N

https://www.mcmaster.com/1247n139 (https://www.mcmaster.com/1247n139)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Gbcool1 on December 05, 2019, 10:58:28 AM
I was in on this thread last year. Wow! 110 pages of some very solid modification info. I got one of the early .22 last year before the Black Friday sale and mine has shot very nicely out of the box. I really don’t want to do anything other than maintain it. Must have gotten one of the good ones as the velocities were right as advertised and it’s very accurate.

My hats off to all of you guys for your hard work and diligence in taking this bargain of the century rifle to new heights. I just don’t have the time to do much with mine because of other hobbies.

-Greg
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MagnumPI45 on April 20, 2020, 03:39:11 PM
This looks to be the official Nova Liberty Thread.

So after a few years what are experiences, agreements on a few things like.

What are the problem spots, any way to pre protect from wear, damage?

What is the best way to get more power from the gun, any issues/damage popping up from drilling out barrel, upping reg, shimming hammer spring?  I would rather just disassemble the rifle once or twice to up the power instead of doing it over and over again, experimenting and possibly damaging things.  I think I will just wait until after warranty.

What about cleaning the barrel, best method, best product, any issues down the line.

Any mods definitely recommended for improved reliability/durability/performance, any that are having issues.  Tips for working on the gun.

Any pellets or slugs that really stand out for the majority of these guns, is there a magic velocity we should shoot for with certain pellets/slugs.

Any Rings/Scope combo's that do really well, best bang for your buck.

What backstops are people using to try to stop pellets from penetrating, lots of scrap wood being throw out for the past few weeks but I have been finding it is still putting pellets though most wood/fiber board, even close to a inch thick.  I did screw 3 pieces of wood together for a backstop that stopped pellets from going through, was thinking of some kind of cheap metal plate that could be bought at Lowes or Home Depot to stop pellets.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 20, 2020, 04:40:53 PM
Most of the answers you seek are within this thread.  Let us know when you are done with all 110 pages!  :D  :D  :D

This is a very good start:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU)

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MagnumPI45 on April 20, 2020, 05:40:01 PM
I forgot to add what psi are people keeping these guns stored at.  Manual says 580-1160psi, do people tend to leave it higher like 2000-2500psi, anyone know if it is more harmful to store them at higher psi then what the manual says.  For hand pumpers it would be nicer to just store them at higher psi so not as much pumping when you want to shoot.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 20, 2020, 07:13:57 PM
The poppet is the problem child of the liberty. The material that is incapsulated in a metal can is very soft. What happens is the sealing material wears down to where the metal can is sitting on the brass exhaust valve body. I've taken the poppet out and cut the can back about a .010 of an inch which aloud the poppet to seal again. Not sure how many shots you get with that repair as I replaced it with a poppet that Duy made for me out of delron.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on April 20, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
 Simplest mods are s\turn up the regulator and shim the hammer spring. The sky's the limit from there, new mods daily , ok monthly LOL
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 20, 2020, 10:58:35 PM
The simple mods are covered by AVS in his video. If you do any of them your warranty will be voided so think real hard about that.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 20, 2020, 11:09:28 PM
Robert that wasn't an issue with many of the people that bought the non warranty guns.  ATI simply won't sell parts for these from what I understand.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 20, 2020, 11:15:43 PM
The poppet is the biggest problem with the liberty. I've never had any other problems with anything else on the rifle that I didn't cause myself. LoL Yes the regulator likes to creep but with a <300 $ gun you can't expect perfection.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 20, 2020, 11:18:33 PM
Robert I bought 2 poppets from duy made from PEEK, excellent is all I can say !!!  I've had a slow leak in mine til I bought the poppets and problem is solved. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 20, 2020, 11:54:08 PM
Robert that wasn't an issue with many of the people that bought the non warranty guns.  ATI simply won't sell parts for these from what I understand.
You are correct, Wayne
Direct from ATI comes the word that they do not stock an inventory of parts; nor can they get any from Nova Vista.
There are, as you know however, O Ring kits available via Captain O Ring
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 20, 2020, 11:58:13 PM
Yep, Duy's poppets are great! I still need to send my DC valve back to him to straighten out the sealing surfaces. I thought the poppet was leaking so used very fine valve lapping compound to get it to seal. Turned out to be the valve Oring was nicked. By lapping the poppet in like I did it's sticking so my fps is less than with the stock ported valve and Duy's delron poppet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 21, 2020, 12:01:14 AM
Last time that I checked ATI was still doing the non warranty thing, they didn't have any Liberty's but said to call back in a week.  I never did check yet but I know that recently Dez got another wood stocked Liberty from them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 21, 2020, 09:14:43 AM
This looks to be the official Nova Liberty Thread.

So after a few years what are experiences, agreements on a few things like.

What are the problem spots, any way to pre protect from wear, damage?

Poppet: Replace with Delrin or Peek.  Spare parts are not available outside of buying a non-warrantee customer return.

What is the best way to get more power from the gun, any issues/damage popping up from drilling out barrel, upping reg, shimming hammer spring?  I would rather just disassemble the rifle once or twice to up the power instead of doing it over and over again, experimenting and possibly damaging things.  I think I will just wait until after warranty.

Enlarge barrel port, shim hammer spring, increase reg pressure.

What about cleaning the barrel, best method, best product, any issues down the line.

No O-ring in barrel to worry about.  Everyone has their own favorite chemicals and method.  I use a pull through cleaner/snake.

Any mods definitely recommended for improved reliability/durability/performance, any that are having issues.  Tips for working on the gun.

See video.

Any pellets or slugs that really stand out for the majority of these guns, is there a magic velocity we should shoot for with certain pellets/slugs.

Many have good luck with JSB 15.89/18.1g and H&N Barracuda Match 21g, somewhere in the 800's, but low 900's can work.  AVS slugs were design, and tested with Libertys, obtimum in lower 900's.

Any Rings/Scope combo's that do really well, best bang for your buck.

Another personnel preference.  Pick based on what you will specifically be doing with gun and range. 

What backstops are people using to try to stop pellets from penetrating, lots of scrap wood being throw out for the past few weeks but I have been finding it is still putting pellets though most wood/fiber board, even close to a inch thick.  I did screw 3 pieces of wood together for a backstop that stopped pellets from going through, was thinking of some kind of cheap metal plate that could be bought at Lowes or Home Depot to stop pellets.

Wood will eventually get destroyed.  Many here use the rubber mulch or a putty that name escapes me for the moment.  I use an old wood stove in the basement and embankment outside.


See some quick answers above:

While this thread has a wealth of info, its large size makes it impossible to easily find it.  Consider starting new threads on specific questions.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MagnumPI45 on April 21, 2020, 12:45:36 PM
This looks to be the official Nova Liberty Thread.

So after a few years what are experiences, agreements on a few things like.

What are the problem spots, any way to pre protect from wear, damage?

Poppet: Replace with Delrin or Peek.  Spare parts are not available outside of buying a non-warrantee customer return.

What is the best way to get more power from the gun, any issues/damage popping up from drilling out barrel, upping reg, shimming hammer spring?  I would rather just disassemble the rifle once or twice to up the power instead of doing it over and over again, experimenting and possibly damaging things.  I think I will just wait until after warranty.

Enlarge barrel port, shim hammer spring, increase reg pressure.

What about cleaning the barrel, best method, best product, any issues down the line.

No O-ring in barrel to worry about.  Everyone has their own favorite chemicals and method.  I use a pull through cleaner/snake.

Any mods definitely recommended for improved reliability/durability/performance, any that are having issues.  Tips for working on the gun.

See video.

Any pellets or slugs that really stand out for the majority of these guns, is there a magic velocity we should shoot for with certain pellets/slugs.

Many have good luck with JSB 15.89/18.1g and H&N Barracuda Match 21g, somewhere in the 800's, but low 900's can work.  AVS slugs were design, and tested with Libertys, obtimum in lower 900's.

Any Rings/Scope combo's that do really well, best bang for your buck.

Another personnel preference.  Pick based on what you will specifically be doing with gun and range. 

What backstops are people using to try to stop pellets from penetrating, lots of scrap wood being throw out for the past few weeks but I have been finding it is still putting pellets though most wood/fiber board, even close to a inch thick.  I did screw 3 pieces of wood together for a backstop that stopped pellets from going through, was thinking of some kind of cheap metal plate that could be bought at Lowes or Home Depot to stop pellets.

Wood will eventually get destroyed.  Many here use the rubber mulch or a putty that name escapes me for the moment.  I use an old wood stove in the basement and embankment outside.


See some quick answers above:

While this thread has a wealth of info, its large size makes it impossible to easily find it.  Consider starting new threads on specific questions.

Thank you for the answers everyone.  Looks like after a year and a half or so with these guns the poppet valve is the main trouble spot and no real replacements unless you go with a member here who makes them.  Is "Captain O Ring" a member/seller here or are you talking about the website?

I did get through reading the 110 pages, took a few days, just wanted to more or less get a general update of experiences after a little while with the guns. 

I forgot to ask, are people putting silicon grease/oil on the fill port attachment O rings?  I read so much about avoiding getting water/oil into the gun/tube but then I also hear many say they put silicon on the rings right where you fill it which I sounds like you are putting it right where it may get into it when filling.  Is it recommended to lubricate all the other o rings to make them last longer or just leave them alone?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 21, 2020, 12:54:08 PM
Capt O-ring has the kit for all the O-rings in the Liberty.

Duy (Dark_Chrisma), a member here, makes the peek poppets and also performance valves.

Yes, grease/oil the fill probe O-rings, mainly to minimize wear from inserting.  Silicone oil or grease is no problem inside the gun. 

Do the same for the probe O-rings.  Only do the internal O-rings when you take it apart and expose or replace those.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 21, 2020, 03:47:27 PM
Man, someone bringing up the 111 page thread and extending it. LOL.

it looks like Fuzzy answered them all.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: USAFANG6799 on April 21, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Capt O-ring has the kit for all the O-rings in the Liberty.

Duy (Dark_Chrisma), a member here, makes the peek poppets and also performance valves.

Yes, grease/oil the fill probe O-rings, mainly to minimize wear from inserting.  Silicone oil or grease is no problem inside the gun. 

Do the same for the probe O-rings.  Only do the internal O-rings when you take it apart and expose or replace those.

Many thanks for mentioning that Captain Oring now has the Orings for the Nova Liberty.
I just ordered a couple sets.
Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 21, 2020, 11:57:11 PM
Wow, what an adventure. I ordered a Nova Liberty back in October or November. Then I found this thread and started reading through it. Signed up with the GTA so I could see pictures and such. Made it to the end, which was 109 or 110 pages, and just checked on it today to see an extra page.

My first Liberty gave me accuracy fits for a month and a half. 1.5" to 2.5" groups at 50 yards. I tweaked and tuned and polished and tinkered to no avail... Turns out the "divots" where the set screws go to hold the barrel in the receiver were drilled too deep and actually dimpled the inside of the barrel when the factory assembled it. ATI readily took it back and sent me a new one, even though I told them that I had modified a few things, the stock being one of them. (Notched in the back for an adjustable hammer spring.)

The replacement, (oh, and I bought a bore scope while waiting for the replacment) had one of the grooves in the rifling... well, it looked like the rifling button went bad in the barrel on one of the grooves, and smeared steel intermittently throughout the barrel. Saw it with the bore scope. I gave it a shot anyway, but it was 3 - 3.5 inches at 50yds. So, ATI replaced that one, which I had left bone stock.

The 3rd one, (which leaned up against the wall for 2 months from the aggravation of the first two, and nasty weather) on Sunday, shot a .58"  10 shot group at 50yds with 6 in the same hole. That was with 21g H&N Slug HP at an average speed of 743, which was at the stock settings. JSB 18.13's were doing about 835 stock.

So for the last 2 days I've been fiddling around with it and drilled a hole in the back of the stock (instead of notching it) for my aluminum HS adjustment screw. Polished the regulator internals, which droped the ES from around 25fps to about 8fps over 20 shots. Tuned it to 890ish fps fot the H&N slugs, and I think I'm happy now. I think...

So thanks to ALL of you who shared in this thread and increased my tinkerability knowledge on this beast. And thanks to ATI for replacing the first two even when modded. I thought I was going to have to buy and machine a barrel blank with a drill, files, and sandpaper!!

I'd post pics, but this is only my second post, but it's long enough for 10. :-)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 22, 2020, 12:03:40 AM
That's what you do, post a couple of sentences then post a couple of sentences in a new post etc etc etc . You'll get your post count up to where you can post pictures
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 22, 2020, 12:08:41 AM
i am so lucky i havent had barrel problems.

one of the liberty barrel which i used for my Freedom bottle conversion actually killed several birds at 75 yards with 14.3 cphp @950fps. havent tried birds at 100 yards yet. crosman premiers shooting soo good i dont think i am buying any other pellets anytime soon.

gun is 615 grams lighter.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 12:35:32 AM
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say!  ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Bob Pratl on April 22, 2020, 04:44:58 AM
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say!  ;D

When you start to stockpile more air guns you will have plenty to say, I'll guaranty it.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 22, 2020, 08:40:11 AM
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say!  ;D

There hasn't been allot of info on the barrels posted.  Look forward to seeing your pictures once you get to ten posts. 

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Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 08:47:47 AM
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say!  ;D

There hasn't been allot of info on the barrels posted.  Look forward to seeing your pictures once you get to ten posts.
Is it 10 posts? I thought it was 20. 10 is better.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 22, 2020, 08:51:45 AM
Problem is, I usually don't have anything to say!  ;D

There hasn't been allot of info on the barrels posted.  Look forward to seeing your pictures once you get to ten posts.
Is it 10 posts? I thought it was 20. 10 is better.

That is what it use to be.  If it is 20 now, sorry to get your hopes up.   Maybe we can eat up a few of them here.

What borescope did you get?   
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 22, 2020, 09:47:41 AM
Haven't posted to this thread in quite a while but good to be back!
My first Nova rifle, the 22 Liberty I bought new had a bad barrel.  The muzzle end of the barrel was turned down to the same o.d. as the breech end for about 1 1/2".  The barrel felt choked. I cut that off but that did not improve it much.  Mine also had small bumps at the set screw dimples and I am assuming that is the problem.  I have long since set that barrel aside and replaced it with the barrel from one of my no warranty Freedoms.

My two Liberties and one intact Freedom are tack drivers, i love these guns.


I don't think I have read about polishing regulator internals before.  Can you share some details onthat?
Thanks

 
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Post by: nervoustrigger on April 22, 2020, 11:27:32 AM
Sometimes Belleville washers have burrs left over from being punched out.  Burrs on the ID can cause them to dig into the regulator spool, and burrs on the OD may cause them to drag on each other in a way that is detrimental to maintaining a stable setpoint.  Therefore I make it a point to deburr them when necessary.
 
Otherwise, I do not know of any polishing steps that are generally beneficial for a regulator.  Normally the Bellevilles represent the only metal-on-metal movement within a regulator.  The rest is O-rings on metal.  I don’t recall ever seeing an example where the O-rings were seating against a poorly finished surface.  Those surfaces should always have a quality finish since they are responsible for sealing, but if you were to find that not to be the case then yes that might be a worthwhile thing to polish as well.
 
Lastly, a lot of regulators have a rough finish on the valve seat.  That will cause regulator creep, which is when the pressure continues to rise slowly over a period of minutes or hours.  Usually the roughness is on the plastic side of the valve seat.  The metal side is usually pretty good in my experience.  Anyway, by ensuring these two surfaces are removed of machining marks and scratches, you can effectively eliminate creep.  I usually do it by hand with progressively finer grits of wet/dry sandpaper held against a piece of thick glass (for flatness).  600 -> 1200 -> 2000 is my usual regimen, sometimes starting with 400 if the surface is especially poor to begin with.
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Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 11:45:13 AM
Sorry guys I'm at work right now. But the gist of it is as posted above me, burs on the edges of the Belleville washers smoothed out and removed. Also the brass shaft the Belleville washers go around has machine marks from the lathe. I remove those with a Dremel and Polishing Compound or some 1500 grit sandpaper. And I do the same thing for the machine marks on the outer stainless steel "housing" portion the Belleville washers goes inside.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: superchikn on April 22, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2020, 02:29:33 PM
I managed to nail a chipper this morning at the state land with my Liberty 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
i am so lucky i havent had barrel problems.

one of the liberty barrel which i used for my Freedom bottle conversion actually killed several birds at 75 yards with 14.3 cphp @950fps. havent tried birds at 100 yards yet. crosman premiers shooting soo good i dont think i am buying any other pellets anytime soon.

gun is 615 grams lighter.
I've had good luck with the Crosman domed 14.3's but the hollow points never flew well out of my Gauntlet. I haven't tried them in my Liberty.

Fuzzy, I just looked it up and it is 20 posts, but no worries.

Bob, I have a pretty firm grasp on this addiction. Been into PCP's for about 2 years and only have 3. So far...  ::)
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Post by: darkcharisma on April 22, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
Wow you are holding your addiction back in those 2 years...only 3? i have more than i would like

my gauntlet 22 shoots 14.3 cphp at birds head shots 50.yards going over 1000fps.

its the same thing with my freedom bottle gun.

never tried with Liberty.
 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2020, 03:35:10 PM
My Freedom has a great barrel on it too!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 03:49:16 PM
Wow you are holding your addiction back in those 2 years...only 3? i have more than i would like
I only had the Gauntlet .22 until I bought the Liberty, and I only bought it because I basically wore out the cocking mechanism on the Gauntlet. I have since fixed the Gauntlet though.

I just bought an AT44-10 Long QE in .25 last week from a friend who is addicted HARD. He never really shot it. He has 13... no, 12 PCP's now, including a Crown AND impact. I introduced him to PCP's... oops.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 22, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
Rod I've got a nice cell phone but rarely use it, I like using it with speaker phone.  I mainly have it with me when I'm out doing something, I had it in the woods today and looked at the weather cause it still seemed a little nippy yet, it was 29 dgrees.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 04:30:48 PM
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.
Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
It was 50 dollars on... That Jungle website. Can I mention the website's name? I gotta read the rules again...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 22, 2020, 04:38:42 PM
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.
Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
It was 50 dollars on... That Jungle website. Can I mention the website's name? I gotta read the rules again...

This one?

https://www.amazon.com/Teslong-Borescope-Side-View-Semi-Rigid-Smartphone/dp/B07TTQF24F/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=Teslong+Rifle+Borescope&qid=1587584256&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFIWElWRVg2TDhJNUMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzNzM5OTcyVFBXWkFKN1c4M0UzJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAyNzI1MTQ4TUtPTVZVSlkzQ1Emd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl (https://www.amazon.com/Teslong-Borescope-Side-View-Semi-Rigid-Smartphone/dp/B07TTQF24F/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=Teslong+Rifle+Borescope&qid=1587584256&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFIWElWRVg2TDhJNUMmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAzNzM5OTcyVFBXWkFKN1c4M0UzJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAyNzI1MTQ4TUtPTVZVSlkzQ1Emd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 22, 2020, 04:40:10 PM
Rod I've got a nice cell phone but rarely use it, I like using it with speaker phone.  I mainly have it with me when I'm out doing something, I had it in the woods today and looked at the weather cause it still seemed a little nippy yet, it was 29 dgrees.

Nice job on the chipper Wayne! Dnr mess with you on state land after small game is closed? Id still like to swat some reds and chips.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: RDB on April 22, 2020, 04:41:08 PM
Back to Fuzzy's question. What bore scope did you use. Seems i recall a cheap endoscope someone had that plugged into your cellphone. I have one, but not small enough to fit down the bore. Id like to find one.
Oh sorry, I saw that earlier. It's a "Teslong Rifle Borescope, 0.2 Inch Gun Barrel Bore Scope Camera, Side-View Mirror, 36 Inch Semi-Rigid Cable, Works with Windows, Mac and Android Smart Phones."
It was 50 dollars on... That Jungle website. Can I mention the website's name? I gotta read the rules again...

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
Yep, that's it Fuzzy. The head on it is .195" (on mine anyway), so good down to a 20 caliber possibly.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 22, 2020, 04:53:47 PM
Yep, that's it Fuzzy. The head on it is .195" (on mine anyway), so good down to a 20 caliber possibly.

I quick look didn't find any that can go down to 177.   But will search some more.

PS: Half way there, just keep those answers short.  ;) 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 22, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
Yeah for a guy that doesnt have much to say, I can sure be long winded!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 22, 2020, 05:24:41 PM
Rod I've got a nice cell phone but rarely use it, I like using it with speaker phone.  I mainly have it with me when I'm out doing something, I had it in the woods today and looked at the weather cause it still seemed a little nippy yet, it was 29 dgrees.

Nice job on the chipper Wayne! Dnr mess with you on state land after small game is closed? Id still like to swat some reds and chips.
The DNR never says a thing about shooting red squirrels, chipmunks, ground hogs, possums because they're open year round.  I should try hunting Coyote's there because they're a problem for the rabbit hunters and their beagles.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
I just called ATI looking for a Liberty parts gun. They have nothing in either .177 or .22. Chris said to try back in mid may. I asked if they were going to carry the Avenger. He googled it while we were talking & really liked it,but hadn't heard about it till i mentioned it. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: OleTomCat on April 23, 2020, 04:31:24 PM
I love my Liberty, it was an impulse buy while at a local gun show that ATI was attending, they are in my home town.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 04:54:01 PM
They started here in Rochester,N.Y. When our governor came out with the Safe Act in 2013 a lot of gun companies left the state. I don't blame them.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: OleTomCat on April 23, 2020, 05:08:12 PM
I don't either..

They started here in Rochester,N.Y. When our governor came out with the Safe Act in 2013 a lot of gun companies left the state. I don't blame them.
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Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 08:29:51 PM
Well with all this unwanted free time on our hands i decided to shorten up my Liberty. Stock OAL is 43in. With the Donny Tanto on it was 48in. To long for me. I cut 4in's off the shroud with a tubing cutter. Instead of putting the Tanto back on i used a huma modular moderator. By taking out the middle section the mod is 4in compared to 5in for the Tanto. My liberty is now back to stock length but with a moderator on it. Only two more to do!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 23, 2020, 09:03:51 PM
Dates on airtube. I'm wondering if people have bought more recent shipments of the Liberty parts guns from ATI ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
Wayne= I bought 2 in 2018 & 2 in late 2019= Same date as yours.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 23, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
That same shipment must have been a huge one, what I'm wondering is if the newer ones have had any changes on them, would be nice if the addressed the problems with the valve poppet.  I remember seeing a new gun coming out that looks just like the Liberty recently, I think it might have been Air Venturi but I really don't recall exactly.  Avenger pops to mind ???
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Post by: tracker1955 on April 23, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
I sent Air Venturi an email over a month ago asking if they had addressed the problem poppet on these rifles from the same manufacturer as the Liberty, nothing but crickets, no response at all, guess that may answer the question.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 10:31:07 PM
Wayne-I think Air Venturi is going to be the new distributor for Nova Vista which is good because then we should be able to get parts. The Avenger seems to have the same specs as the liberty but with adjustable HS and adj regulator.

Tracker= Don't waste your time e-mailing ATI. I never got a reply to my e-mails either but every time i've called they answer.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 23, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
The thing  that I like about the Air Venturi version is they've got it in .25 also.  It kind of makes me wonder if ATI is going to continue selling their versions after they run out of what they have.  I'm also wondering about the Freedom also because basically those all had the same bad poppets in them as well.  ATI does deal in a lot of different stuff and after seeing what they've gone through with these guns I doubt they'll continue with them but you just never know for sure.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on April 23, 2020, 10:49:45 PM
That same shipment must have been a huge one, what I'm wondering is if the newer ones have had any changes on them, would be nice if the addressed the problems with the valve poppet.  I remember seeing a new gun coming out that looks just like the Liberty recently, I think it might have been Air Venturi but I really don't recall exactly.  Avenger pops to mind ???

Yeah, that's it.  The same gun Air Venturi will be selling soon as the Avenger landed in Argentina a few weeks ago (Red Target R1-800 / Nova Vista Leviathan). 

This guy has quite a few videos on his page.  In this particular video, he gives a look at the gun with the stock removed. 

https://youtu.be/8Izgd0t7ohc



In another video, the guy actually had spare o-rings and manometers.  There's a few more channels with videos but they're all in Spanish.
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Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 10:50:41 PM
Yea the .25 will sell like hot cakes for sure. We won't know if they changed the poppet material until we get them in our hands. I think Nova Vista being a new company was happy to hook up with ATI to get their guns in the american market. But to not supply ATI with any spare parts or training for repairing their guns never made any sense to me.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 23, 2020, 11:11:37 PM
If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  ::), I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point.  :( 
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on April 23, 2020, 11:25:47 PM
If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  ::), I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point.  :(

Maybe that's changed already.   Here's the video I mentioned in my previous post.   Skip to the 10:30 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/LySlPBySLTk


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 23, 2020, 11:31:24 PM
I should have stayed awake in spanish class! To have all those rifles & spare parts he must be testing guns for the factory?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 23, 2020, 11:35:09 PM
From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish. 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 23, 2020, 11:50:38 PM
If they didn't change the poppet material on the Avenger, not going to last long on the 25 cal with the reg set to 2900psi.  Even the 22 and 177 are higher at 2600 and 2000psi.  Per the manual on PA.  That tells me that with the smaller air tube, they also made the plenum smaller.   My understanding is, none of the distributors have been able to get parts from NV.   Hopefully, AV can twist their arm enough. 

As much as I hate the "Safe Act", had to register both of my 10/22's as assault rifles  ::), I think that was just a smoke screen for a pure economic decision.  Same for Remington for moving most of its operations out of NY.   What's left in Ilion, will be gone at some point.  :(

Maybe that's changed already.   Here's the video I mentioned in my previous post.   Skip to the 10:30 mark of the video.

https://youtu.be/LySlPBySLTk

A box of spare parts is a good sign.  I want that silver plenum, which is obviously larger than the stock Liberty.

Per Waynes question, I did see newer dates on those Libertys. 01/2019 and 12/2019
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 23, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish.
JOHN
Open the video in You Tube
You can be in Pause or with video running
Do not go to full screen

On the bottom right SELECT CC Closed captions/subtitles)
Go to SETTINGS
You will see  "Spanish (Auto Generated) >"
CLICK on  the >
SELECT  Auto translate
SCROLL DOWN & SELECT English

The translation is a bit rough but better than nothing

Hope this helps

Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 24, 2020, 08:38:35 AM
From the video, I like how the reg block is better secured to the receiver.  The silver block looks like it was added afterwards.  Reg is now vertical.  Plenum looks to be in that block.  Trigger block looks unchanged except for some minor changes in back.  Like the adjustable HS which goes hand in hand with an externally adjustable reg.  Liberty should have had that.   I don't get those 5 large screws? for the barrel.  Fasteners for top rail that comes off?   Wish I understood Spanish.
JOHN
Open the video in You Tube
You can be in Pause or with video running
Do not go to full screen

On the bottom right SELECT CC Closed captions/subtitles)
Go to SETTINGS
You will see  "Spanish (Auto Generated) >"
CLICK on  the >
SELECT  Auto translate
SCROLL DOWN & SELECT English

The translation is a bit rough but better than nothing

Hope this helps

Ed

Thanks, I didn't know that trick.  As you said, a bit rough on the translation, but it is helpful. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 24, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
I like that they went to the forster fitting instead of the fill probe. Although the stainless one that comes with the Liberty is top notch. It will still be 2 less o'rings to worry about & 0ne less thing to misplace.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 24, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Pat I ended up buying a BSA fill probe for my Liberty, works great too 8)

I also did a 3 shot group at 47 yards this morning with my Liberty, weebly wobbly sitting on a log 8)

https://youtu.be/1LIER4EoewU
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 24, 2020, 02:44:27 PM
I like the foster fitting with screw on dust cap, over having a probe.  I like the plenum and air tank gauges, and adjustable hammer preload.

I'm not liking the smaller air cyl and looks to be smaller plenum.  That removable scope rail, seems like it will be problematic, but no experience with that type. 

If ATI does end up carrying them, and sells the returns, might get one.  Otherwise, have too many Libertys as it is. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 24, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
John I was thinking the same thing about the air tube, I'm glad the Liberty's have a big air tube, I don't think those guns are all that heavy, it's just a tad heavier (scoped) than my Airmax Dominator which is my lightest hunting favorite, I've been neglecting that gun too much, I need to get it out again and put some more slugs through it.  Slugs just flat out rock!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: pat585 on April 24, 2020, 03:25:29 PM
Wayne= The specs on PA site say the Avenger has a 300 bar cylinder fill, the same as the liberty! I also have a Diana Outlaw. It has a huma reg set at 110 bar & i backed off the HS until i got it to 19ft lbs with a 14.3 crosman pellet. More then enough power for the tree rats on my bird feeders & i get around 130 shots. One of my favorites. I wouldn't mind shooting that good for being  weebly wobbly.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 24, 2020, 03:36:59 PM
Wayne= The specs on PA site say the Avenger has a 300 bar cylinder fill, the same as the liberty! I also have a Diana Outlaw. It has a huma reg set at 110 bar & i backed off the HS until i got it to 19ft lbs with a 14.3 crosman pellet. More then enough power for the tree rats on my bird feeders & i get around 130 shots. One of my favorites. I wouldn't mind shooting that good for being  weebly wobbly.
Those guns are worth every penny of that $499 price too, mine is a .22 and I did open the port on it as well as turn up the regulator and adjust the hammer spring.  I shoot only slugs from it any more, it's like a laser.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 24, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
air Venturi must be able to get parts as I ordered a new poppet for my Liberty from PA and it came today. It's actually for the Seneca Aspen but exactly the same. I realize that this poppet still has the softer material in it than delrin or peek but if it lasts me a year like my old one did that will be fine for the price. Installed it this afternoon and am pressure testing it now. I need to order a custom one from Duy but already had this one on order and didn't want to cancel the order. I just hope it holds air ok.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 24, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
air Venturi must be able to get parts as I ordered a new poppet for my Liberty from PA and it came today. It's actually for the Seneca Aspen but exactly the same. I realize that this poppet still has the softer material in it than delrin or peek but if it lasts me a year like my old one did that will be fine for the price. Installed it this afternoon and am pressure testing it now. I need to order a custom one from Duy but already had this one on order and didn't want to cancel the order. I just hope it holds air ok.
Was that a special order from PA, tracker1955?
Asking because out of curiosity I searched the PA  website for Aspen parts.
It turned up magazines & a fill probe only
I was hoping there would be a number of parts in stock
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 25, 2020, 10:43:29 AM
The part is not listed, I sent them an email and asked if they had the poppet and what it would cost, they had to check with their repair dept. got an email back that they had the part, it was just over $19 with shipping. Checked the rifle this morning and it's still holding air but have not fired it yet. The one I repaired with Delrin I got from a GTA member held air initially, but then leaked after firing. Try as I might I was never able to fully stop the leak but could shoot it normally as long as I was actively shooting.

Keep in mind that I asked for the poppet for an Aspen, not a Liberty. It came with a new valve spring and two orings that were for the Aspen.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 25, 2020, 11:46:10 AM
The part is not listed, I sent them an email and asked if they had the poppet and what it would cost, they had to check with their repair dept. got an email back that they had the part, it was just over $19 with shipping. Checked the rifle this morning and it's still holding air but have not fired it yet. The one I repaired with Delrin I got from a GTA member held air initially, but then leaked after firing. Try as I might I was never able to fully stop the leak but could shoot it normally as long as I was actively shooting.

Keep in mind that I asked for the poppet for an Aspen, not a Liberty. It came with a new valve spring and two orings that were for the Aspen.
Thanks
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 25, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
Delrin will work but that stuff is soft and needs to be ultra fine polished. you should also check the sealing surface of the valve too. make sure it doesnt have nicks. most of them have some kind of nick and requires polishing too.

usually firing will make the poppet seal after a while due the indention made from firing action. just like burnishing it.

i have found the best way to remedy the leaking poppets to be Polishing peek or delrin. and if you have access to a lathe. counter sink the valve and use peek...best sealing and long lasting solution.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 25, 2020, 12:28:55 PM
Where is the best deal on buying PEEK rod ?  I figure that 3/8" rod would be the best to order however someone might suggest something else ???
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 25, 2020, 12:44:52 PM
try amazon. i have gotten peek from there before.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 25, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
Delrin will work but that stuff is soft and needs to be ultra fine polished. you should also check the sealing surface of the valve too. make sure it doesnt have nicks. most of them have some kind of nick and requires polishing too.

usually firing will make the poppet seal after a while due the indention made from firing action. just like burnishing it.

i have found the best way to remedy the leaking poppets to be Polishing peek or delrin. and if you have access to a lathe. counter sink the valve and use peek...best sealing and long lasting solution.
I checked the raised rim on the valve face for nicks, used strong LED light and magnifying glasses. Also tested with a Q-tip.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on April 25, 2020, 02:01:56 PM
I suspect the leaking is from around the stem with the through hole.  While all the ones in my gun are holding, in the future will go with a blind hole and no can, and a shortened stem.   I have made one like that, and it works as well. 

I agree with Duy, it is very easy to get a nick in that valve seat.  I had the C clip come off and jam under the poppet creating one.  I was able to see it with a light.

I bought peek and Delrin rod in 12" lengths off Amazon.  I haven't tried working with Peek yet. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 25, 2020, 02:18:59 PM
if the valve rim is good then check and polish the poppet with 600-1000-1200-2000-3000 grit, then dry fire 100shots or so. usually that will take care of it.  if it doesnt, then you burnish.

you can test after polish by assemble the poppet and valve, put it in your mouth and blow...quick way to test for leaks before assemble in breech... ;D

blind hole is the best sure way. get rid of the can.

you should work with peek Fuzzy, throw delrin away, thats how good peek is  ;D
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 25, 2020, 02:35:36 PM
 I think I'll give ATI a call next week and see if I can't snag me another wood Liberty, I'm done tinkering with the one that I have.  I still haven't opened up the barrel port yet, it's just shooting so darned good the way it is right now.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: tracker1955 on April 25, 2020, 02:50:40 PM
Not quite 24 hours since filling the air tube yesterday but was still holding perfectly, couldn't wait any longer so opened my window to shoot before the rain starts. A quick zero after having reseated the scope, then hole in hole at 30 yards, then smacking my 1/2" spinner over and over. This rifle is so accurate that most shooting inside 50 yards becomes boring. Even my new paintball rack at 40 yards is almost too easy. Now if I can get my new Rainstorm to shoot anything close to this my universe will be complete, I just don't want to have to tune it down too far.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 25, 2020, 03:02:14 PM
Tom even when I'm shooting mine out in the woods being all weebly wobbly it's still a jaw dropper, very accurate.  Just got done casting about 400 more good pellets to feed it some more.  I'm actually getting a decent stockpile of the 19.6 grainers now, I can probably get out the wad cutter mold for my Crosman 150's now, they just gobble up those wadd cutters with very good results 8)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MagnumPI45 on April 28, 2020, 07:27:08 PM
That Avenger looks interesting but it is also kind of ugly and cheap looking, wish it looked better.  I have grown to like the styling of my Snythetic Liberty.

I decided to quickly see what kind of group I could get from my Liberty to make sure there weren't any accuracy/barrel issues, mainly have just been shooting coke cans standing up and getting some velocity numbers with different pellets.  I put up a target about 20 yards away, drew my own filled in black circle about the size of a half/silver dollar on a envelope, sat down on the steps with the gun resting on a sock bag of aquarium gravel.  I just used Crossman 14.3 Domes, barrel has never been cleaned and has had over 130 pellets through it, was using open sites/no scope.  My point of aim was not great, basically had a general point where I would try to hold each time, slightly pulled one.   Took 4 or 5 shots and was absolutely shocked and very pleasantly surprised seeing a ragged single smaller then dime sized group with OPEN SITES!!  I didn't expect that considering I wasn't really holding exactly the same spot for each shot as the circle looked so small from 20 yard away.  I never shot that tight of a group at 20 or 25 yards with open sites, normally don't even do it with a scope at 25 yards aside from a handful of times with small caliber scoped firearms.  I can definitely see how people with this gun are getting single hole groups with scopes at 25 even 40 yards especially with higher quality pellets and could see 100 yard groups around a inch if you get pellet selection, weight, velocity, scope right.

I was at Lowes yesterday, saw a rubber mulch like mat that I guess goes around a plant/small tree and was wondering if that material would be any good at stopping pellets or better then wood/fiber board that doesn't do much good.  The mats were around $5.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on April 28, 2020, 08:44:44 PM
 They also have rubber paver blocks, I would double them up just to be safe, I have a pellet trap made out of old cow/horse rubber matting that has been stopping even my 50 FPE slugs so far, I'm testing in a safe location on the farm I work on. There is also the bags of rubber mulch that work great and self heal, so to speak.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 28, 2020, 11:22:04 PM
There is also the bags of rubber mulch that work great and self heal, so to speak.
Yeah, the rubber mulch in a 5 gallon bucket works well! Stops 60 fpe .25 pellets no problem.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on April 28, 2020, 11:35:30 PM
I was out shooting my Liberty today again, the gun is very accurate and I managed to get a couple of chippers with it, didn't see any red squirrels though.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: OleTomCat on April 28, 2020, 11:40:27 PM
There is also the bags of rubber mulch that work great and self heal, so to speak.
Yeah, the rubber mulch in a 5 gallon bucket works well! Stops 60 fpe .25 pellets no problem.

I used the rubber mulch in a bucket for a .45 Evanix Sniper, it works good...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on April 29, 2020, 06:43:57 AM
In the past week I have killed 5 Chipmunks with a Nova Vista Freedom .177 at ~45-~50 yards.

No, I can't claim head shots, but they were all DRT even using low power, ~720fps ~12fpe at the muzzle with 10.5 CPUM pellets.

I know this is not a Liberty, but I just thought I should post it in this thread since there is little being posted about the accuracy of the Freedom/Aspen lately.

Kerry
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 29, 2020, 07:41:44 AM
Kerry, i have been killing birds at 75 yards with Freedom bottle conversion. i know i mentioned it before too, accuracy is good with crosman HP 14.3gn
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on April 29, 2020, 08:10:19 AM
Kerry, i have been killing birds at 75 yards with Freedom bottle conversion. i know i mentioned it before too, accuracy is good with crosman HP 14.3gn

I still need to work on the "parts" .22 Freedom I have, but the .177s actually do all I need out to 55 yards, which is the maximum distance I have available to shoot/pest.

Although I am intrigued by your bottle conversion, I don't plan on doing that to a Freedom.  Seems that conversion would be better suited to the Liberty.


Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 29, 2020, 05:27:37 PM
 ;D

Kerry, I have two part guns freedom. one has a sticking pump, not working. one is perfectly working. I am guessing the pump will go out sooner or later and no parts to replace but to fabricate if it's not orings, very time consuming to take down btw.

not to mention, after 10 shots and 40+pumps. I got bored, i can't imaging pumping during a hunt. I can't imaging lugging an 11+lbs gun around, I will not lug around for survival along with other gears...sorry, there is not a scenario that i can imagine with it. I can't imaging shooting underpowered pump guns. I have a 392 Benji for that.

I have gotten to 55fpe with my freedom bottle. and it's light and accurate. this will server me just right. I have no need for a heavy pump pcp.'

The liberty will get a bottle treatment soon. I have gotten it to 68 FPE for 2 equal shots with my new stainless valve and Billy's plenum. But it's best around 60fpe.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 29, 2020, 05:37:17 PM
Duy, How many shots you get out of the liberty at 60 fpe?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 29, 2020, 08:23:11 PM
Duy, How many shots you get out of the liberty at 60 fpe?

I have no solid shotcount info right now. I was just testing for power last night when i got some NSA .217 28.5 grains.

Last time i tested at 64fpe was i getting max 13-15 shots I think. so I am guessing give or take max 15 shots at 60fpe. Not going to hype it up until I tune it for shotcounts.

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 29, 2020, 08:31:56 PM
No worries, I was just curious I was happy with 40fpe with mine, and really dont know the shot count either.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on April 30, 2020, 05:53:15 PM
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on April 30, 2020, 06:27:21 PM
i just made 74fpe shooting 42.9 grains with my modded liberty.  ;D and leaking probe oring at that.

i have a mould thats .218 and 47 grains...oh my. how fun it is to touch something with those

going to tune to 60fpe now.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on May 01, 2020, 02:26:59 AM
;D

Kerry, I have two part guns freedom. one has a sticking pump, not working. one is perfectly working. I am guessing the pump will go out sooner or later and no parts to replace but to fabricate if it's not orings, very time consuming to take down btw.

not to mention, after 10 shots and 40+pumps. I got bored, i can't imaging pumping during a hunt. I can't imaging lugging an 11+lbs gun around, I will not lug around for survival along with other gears...sorry, there is not a scenario that i can imagine with it. I can't imaging shooting underpowered pump guns. I have a 392 Benji for that.

I have gotten to 55fpe with my freedom bottle. and it's light and accurate. this will server me just right. I have no need for a heavy pump pcp.'

The liberty will get a bottle treatment soon. I have gotten it to 68 FPE for 2 equal shots with my new stainless valve and Billy's plenum. But it's best around 60fpe.

10 shots and 40 pumps???

My experience (with .177) is similar to avator's (Bill) in that on low power, ~10 shots and ~17 pumps with relatively consistent fps.   The sweet spot is about 4 or 5 shots for consistency in fps.

As far as the Freedom being "low powered"?   It is not!   I choose to shoot most of the time using the low power setting (~720fps@~12fpe/10.5 CPUM).

However, with the turn of a knob on the high power setting, I can have ~930fps@~20fpe with the same pellet.   Not under powered at all if you ask me.

Yes, it does take more pumps per shot on high power than low power, but the sweet spot still gets me 5 consistent shots if I don't have the pressure too high to start with.   Between, ~2900 and ~2200psi is the sweet spot on my Freedom for both low and high power.

Since I have never gotten the .22 model working to my satisfaction, I can't compare it to the .177's performance.

However, I do agree with you that they are not supported by parts or really anything after the warranty runs out.   Even during warranty, you will most likely get a new, different gun.   Not get your original gun repaired.   Is that not the same for the Liberty?

Bad business model...

Not sure if the Seneca Aspen fairs any better, but then again I don't own one.

p.s.

Apparently I don't need as much fpe as you do... tree rats and chipmunks just aren't THAT hard to kill!  (smile)

Your bottle conversions are great!   I just simply don't need that kind of power and I am almost certain I don't have the tools needed to make the conversions you and others are able to achieve... and probably don't have the $$$ either.  (grin)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on May 01, 2020, 03:03:20 AM
hey Kerry.

i dont have .177 so i dont know how it operates. but in .22 high power, it takes 3-4 pumps after each shot to stay consistent. so the 40 something pumps in between to get 10 shot string down the line, i am not a fan of that. i dont find joy in pumping alot to get less than dozen shots, some people may enjoy it. Even the Benji i have, i only shoot it 5-10 times and put it up.

and yes you can kill stuff with 12 or 20fpe. but that limits your range greatly with wind conditions. i dont play with that stuff. The minimum i will settle for is 45fpe and .22 cal up, ideally 60fpe. so 12 and 20 fpe is not considered powerful to me, it may be to you but you will have to dial or hold over at 75 yards or 100yards. your usual range may be closer? anything within 50yards becomes boring real quick to me.

also, try lugging that Freedom around for 30 minutes as if you are walking into your hunt spot with treestand, blind, backpack, sidearm. i have tried...never again.

I dont regret converting to bottle one bit. i have gotten to 55fpe on my freedom. the pump freedom will never reach that level.

not to discount lower fpe guns, the bottle freedom i am running is at 29fpe, the only gun i have at lower fpe because it is accurate at 75 yards shooting 14.3cphp at 950fps...i still have to hold 5 mills over at 100yards.

if you say you dont have money, you are denying yourself of how much commitment you have in this sport.  ;).  ::).
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on May 01, 2020, 03:16:54 AM
hey Kerry.

i dont have .177 so i dont know how it operates. but in .22 high power, it takes 3-4 pumps after each shot to stay consistent. so the 40 something pumps in between to get 10 shot string down the line, i am not a fan of that. i dont find joy in pumping alot to get less than dozen shots, some people may enjoy it. Even the Benji i have, i only shoot it 5-10 times and put it up.

and yes you can kill stuff with 12 or 20fpe. but that limits your range greatly with wind conditions. i dont play with that stuff. The minimum i will settle for is 45fpe and .22 cal up, ideally 60fpe. so 12 and 20 fpe is not considered powerful to me, it may be to you but you will have to dial or hold over at 75 yards or 100yards. your usual range may be closer? anything within 50yards becomes boring real quick to me.

also, try lugging that Freedom around for 30 minutes as if you are walking into your hunt spot with treestand, blind, backpack, sidearm. i have tried...never again.

I dont regret converting to bottle one bit. i have gotten to 55fpe on my freedom. the pump freedom will never reach that level.

not to discount lower fpe guns, the bottle freedom i am running is at 29fpe, the only gun i have at lower fpe because it is accurate at 75 yards shooting 14.3cphp at 950fps...i still have to hold 5 mills over at 100yards.

if you say you dont have money, you are denying yourself of how much commitment you have in this sport.  ;) .  ::) .

I am committed to eradicating pests from my property.   Tree rats and Chipmunks don't need 50 fpe and where I am, the chance of passthrough/ricochet is too great to risk.

There are still things I believe are higher priority for me than air guns... any flavor!  (sacrilege!!!)  grin...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Wayne52 on May 01, 2020, 04:10:21 AM
These numbers are plenty for small game with pellets, the barrel port would be the only thing I'd open up on this gun if I do, when I have it apart again I'm going to debur the hammer spring and valve spring both.  This gun was a bargain for my total cost so far is about $160.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ku7of6j.jpg)

I can get about 4 10 shot clips on the reg from a 4K fill.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: BackStop on May 01, 2020, 04:25:42 AM
;D

Kerry, I have two part guns freedom. one has a sticking pump, not working. one is perfectly working. I am guessing the pump will go out sooner or later and no parts to replace but to fabricate if it's not orings, very time consuming to take down btw.

not to mention, after 10 shots and 40+pumps. I got bored, i can't imaging pumping during a hunt. I can't imaging lugging an 11+lbs gun around, I will not lug around for survival along with other gears...sorry, there is not a scenario that i can imagine with it. I can't imaging shooting underpowered pump guns. I have a 392 Benji for that.

I have gotten to 55fpe with my freedom bottle. and it's light and accurate. this will server me just right. I have no need for a heavy pump pcp.'

The liberty will get a bottle treatment soon. I have gotten it to 68 FPE for 2 equal shots with my new stainless valve and Billy's plenum. But it's best around 60fpe.

Yes, they are a booger to take down completely and also a booger to understand.   I am still hoping for someone to provide aftermarket support for them as I simply don't see it ever happening with ATI and probably not from Seneca either... after warranty anyway.  (sigh)

Having said that, parts availability (lack of) is what will kill this airgun.

Of course, 30 years from now, if it fails, it will be a collectors item if it is in original condition!  (chuckle)

Don't laugh too hard at that... look at some of the stuff that sells as "collectible" at very high prices these days.   Much of it has more to do with rarity than quality and some of it was produced in massive quantities.   You just don't find many in original condition...  (grin)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on May 01, 2020, 10:13:36 AM
 ;D I already have one of the rarest ones, when I ordered a .177 Freedom, cause that was all that was left at Buds Gun Shop, they shipped me what I believe to be a sample model pre Liberty, with no big white lettering, stock has the ATI embossed in the black plastic, that's all. I guess we should start a serial number information list, so the collectors will not have to do tons of research LOL  ;)
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on May 01, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
;D I already have one of the rarest ones, when I ordered a .177 Freedom, cause that was all that was left at Buds Gun Shop, they shipped me what I believe to be a sample model pre Liberty, with no big white lettering, stock has the ATI embossed in the black plastic, that's all. I guess we should start a serial number information list, so the collectors will not have to do tons of research LOL  ;)
Haven't you heard of the guy that has 7 Liberty & 9 Freedom;
all with sequential serial numbers?

Heard he runs a brothel somewhere out in Tuolumne County, CA
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Post by: Back_Roads on May 01, 2020, 08:55:39 PM
 ;D LOL
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on May 01, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
So that's where Duy went when he went to KALI. 😗
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 01, 2020, 10:12:34 PM
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.

I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad.  Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device.  Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable. 

Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Only_humann on May 01, 2020, 11:10:47 PM

I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad.  Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device.  Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.
My bore scope paid for itself the first day. I looked at all my rifles and found one of my target barrels quietly rusting away in the safe.

This was the replacement Liberty I recieved. The 3rd one looked pretty decent, thankfully.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on May 06, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.

I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad.  Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device.  Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.

John
Which one did you buy?
On Amazon?
Will it work with a windows lap top as well as the iPhone/iPad?
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 06, 2020, 08:24:01 PM
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.

I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad.  Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device.  Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.

John
Which one did you buy?
On Amazon?
Will it work with a windows lap top as well as the iPhone/iPad?
Ed

I ordered this one from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

It still hasn't shipped yet.  :(

It is $25 more, but not attached to a USB, and works with iPhone.

The PC / Mac and Android version is cheaper but tied to a cable. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on May 06, 2020, 10:17:58 PM
This was my first Liberty. The holes were drilled to deep for the barrel set screws. Again, ATI made it right, hassle free. After finding this, thats when I bought the bore scope. Would have save me a BUNCH of time trying to sort out the rifles inaccuracy.

I ordered the wifi version of the borescope, for iPhone and ipad.  Looks like it would be a little easier to use, not being attached to the device.  Wish they went down to 177, but didn't find anything reasonable.

John
Which one did you buy?
On Amazon?
Will it work with a windows lap top as well as the iPhone/iPad?
Ed

I ordered this one from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0813D65MD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

It still hasn't shipped yet.  :(

It is $25 more, but not attached to a USB, and works with iPhone.

The PC / Mac and Android version is cheaper but tied to a cable.

Thanks!
Appreciate the reply
I certainly, and imagine others too, would like updates when you finally get your hands on it & get it running.
I'm most curious about the ability to clearly see the image details on a smart phone's small screen.
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on May 06, 2020, 10:40:34 PM
I certainly, and imagine others too, would like updates when you finally get your hands on it & get it running.
I'm most curious about the ability to clearly see the image details on a smart phone's small screen.

With my eyes, probably have to send the iPhone pictures to the PC or iPad to see them.   ::)    That is why I have an iPad.  :)    I can't fly drones on the iPhone for the same reason.  ;)

I will certainly post some pictures and opinion of it, but will start its own thread on it. 
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: MagnumPI45 on May 15, 2020, 08:32:09 PM
I know it is not totally related to the Nova Liberty but I did mention backstops for this gun and saw where some recommended rubber mulch.

They have rubber type paving mats at Lowes that are about a inch or so thick, pretty heavy, they are only around 5.99.  I got two, I am going to put them together and see what they stop with the Liberty.  Another idea is those metal pan griddles for cooking on top of burners, it is pretty thick aluminum, I doubt a pellet will penetrate and you can get a decent sized one at Wal Mart or Old Time Pottery barn for around 11.99.  The one I saw has handles so it can be hung from some screws screwed into a piece of wood

I will try constructing a backstop with the rubber paver mats attached in front of the metal griddle and then having a large spare piece of wood in back to attach everything too.

I keep eating into the wood back stops I am making from all the spare wood I am finding on the curb, they aren't lasting too long especially areas that take clusters of hits.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on June 18, 2020, 06:14:01 PM
going to stir this thread up a little bit. with all the love for the Avenger, i decided to pour some love into my Liberties to.

Bottle conversion! Higher pressure! More power! More shots!  ;D.

testing coming soon...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: OleTomCat on June 19, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
How is it higher pressure, the Liberty already fills to 4350 and I get about 80 shots per fill?

going to stir this thread up a little bit. with all the love for the Avenger, i decided to pour some love into my Liberties to.

Bottle conversion! Higher pressure! More power! More shots!  ;D.

testing coming soon...
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 19, 2020, 11:54:17 AM
I think Duy is confusing the liberty with the Aspen. The Aspen is only 3600 psi
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: darkcharisma on June 19, 2020, 01:18:16 PM
How is it higher pressure, the Liberty already fills to 4350 and I get about 80 shots per fill?

going to stir this thread up a little bit. with all the love for the Avenger, i decided to pour some love into my Liberties to.

Bottle conversion! Higher pressure! More power! More shots!  ;D.

testing coming soon...

I can fill to 4500psi with a 500cc bottle vs 200cc airtube. and with the stock tune (low reg pressure, low fpe) i should get more than 80 shots. i bet Liberty guns running regulator pressures at 3000psi will get less than 15 shots at lower than 60fpe. have you tried it?

I did 50 shots on the chrony and 30 shots are in the 60fpe at 3000psi. there is more room still

I am not advocating people to run their Liberties at 3600psi. But i am running my Liberty at 3600psi...Freedom/Aspen uses the same breech/receiver. so i am not confused, i know the freedom/aspen can reach 3600psi... ;D Robert.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on June 19, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
I know you are not confused but sometimes people type stuff and it gets turned around in error.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: radar on June 24, 2020, 08:26:59 AM
Hello Folks,

So my build date is 03-2018. And my regulator adjustment looks a little different.
Anyone have a similar setup and managed to adjust successfully?
Also the hammer spring has a lot of tension, and takes a fair amount of pushing to put back after the pin is removed.

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Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 24, 2020, 08:42:53 AM
Hello Folks,

So my build date is 03-2018. And my regulator adjustment looks a little different.
Anyone have a similar setup and managed to adjust successfully?
Also the hammer spring has a lot of tension, and takes a fair amount of pushing to put back after the pin is removed.

The slotted adjuster would require removing the air cyl to adjust.  :(

What is the length of the spring and the wire size? 

I just noticed your location.  I assume you have a Red Target version vs an ATI Liberty? 
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Post by: radar on June 24, 2020, 09:31:22 AM
Sorry, I dont know what the spring details are.
Locally it is sold as the Nova Vista. So I assume a factory standard unit.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on June 24, 2020, 09:38:39 AM
Sorry, I dont know what the spring details are.
Locally it is sold as the Nova Vista. So I assume a factory standard unit.

The ones here have had no preload on the hammer spring from the factory.  I highly suspect a different spring if you have to hold it in to insert the pin.  The next time you have it out, try to get some measurements. 
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Post by: radar on June 24, 2020, 10:16:05 AM
definitely more tension, had to hold it in to prvent it springing out when I opened.
Will definitely check.
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Post by: darkcharisma on June 26, 2020, 03:40:23 AM
I am happy to report that my Bottled Liberty is making 74fpe shooting 42.9grains at 879fps. And 67fpe shooting 28.6 grains at 1030fps...this is at 209 bars.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 10, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
With all of the hype surrounding the Avenger and the new releases from Crosman/Benjamin, I almost feel like I'm traveling back in time bumping this thread.    ;D

Well, I recently acquired a Liberty in .177 from ATI.  It is my first PCP in this particular caliber. It is also the second Liberty in a row that leaked right out of the box.

Before even mounting a scope, I went outside to fire it over the chronograph, which somehow had slipped into the on position when I put it away after my last shooting session.  ::) I guess Caldwell includes that spare battery slot for a reason.  Anyway, I was sure the gun was underpowered based on the report.  Sounded a whole lot different from other 177s (break barrels) I have shot.  Sounded weak in comparison. 


While I was initially disappointed, that soon changed once I got a chance to sit down and shoot it at length.  This thing is a laser. It shoots Crosman 7.9 HP just as accurately as my Urban shoots JSBs.   Mind you, most of my shooting is done in the 25-30 yard range in the backyard, so at longer ranges, that's probably a different story.

I was able to stack 9 pellets in a hole slightly bigger than a quarter inch earlier today at 25 yards.    I got well over 80 good shots at a 965 FPS average shooting those Crosman HP 7.9 gr from a 3500 PSI fill. 

I guess the hollow shroud does a lot for taming the bark of this smaller caliber  because I was sure this thing was shooting way below manufacturer's claim (though I know the game and that it's usually bs to begin with). 

So despite the leak and one faulty magazine, I have to say...I'm pretty happy.  This gun is a keeper. Extremely accurate with a beautiful wooden stock to boot.

I'm gonna get some balloons later and do a leak test on the barrel and fill port.  When I place the balloon over the barrel, is it necessary to remove the shroud?

 I already have one of Duy's poppets on stand by and plan on ordering a o-ring kit soon from Captain O-Ring.  Hopefully the source of the leak is o-ring or poppet related, because if it's not I'm gonna have to send it to someone with a little bit more expertise.   ATI won't be getting this one back, that's for sure.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on August 10, 2020, 09:30:01 PM

I'm gonna get some balloons later and do a leak test on the barrel and fill port.  When I place the balloon over the barrel, is it necessary to remove the shroud?


Yes, remove the shroud to get the ballon and rubber band around the barrel.  Close the bolt.  If the ballon even stands up, you have a leak.


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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 17, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
No leaks on the barrel or fill port.  Tore the gun completely apart and didn't see any bad o-rings or debris.  The bleed screw seems to be a possible culprit.

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Post by: pat585 on August 17, 2020, 04:43:44 PM
Antwuan- Same thing happened to me when i got my second Liberty. Checked everything with CRC leak detector & did the balloon test-nothing. Then i sprayed the bleed screw and got a bubble. I tightened it & no more leak. Sometimes we tend to overlook the obvious when it's right in front of us!
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on August 17, 2020, 04:47:55 PM
FWIW Antwuan Maxx, the only thing wrong with a no warranty wood Liberty I bought awhile back was a leak around the bleed screw.
Heavy silicone grease cured it.
It now holds air without issue
IIRC correctly from reading the posts, others have found crud at the bottom of the hole or a poorly finished tip on the bleed screw to be the cause.
Hope this helps
Ed
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 17, 2020, 05:51:56 PM
Antwuan- Same thing happened to me when i got my second Liberty. Checked everything with CRC leak detector & did the balloon test-nothing. Then i sprayed the bleed screw and got a bubble. I tightened it & no more leak. Sometimes we tend to overlook the obvious when it's right in front of us!

Yeah, I know what you mean.   When I initially received the gun, I recall making sure that screw was tightened before I even filled it up for the first time.  So when I noticed the gun leaking,  I automatically assumed popppet given the gun's history.

FWIW Antwuan Maxx, the only thing wrong with a no warranty wood Liberty I bought awhile back was a leak around the bleed screw.
Heavy silicone grease cured it.
It now holds air without issue
IIRC correctly from reading the posts, others have found crud at the bottom of the hole or a poorly finished tip on the bleed screw to be the cause.
Hope this helps
Ed

Not sure if you can tell from the picture I posted, but the tip of my bleed screw is pretty jacked up.   Its not flat whatsoever, more rounded than anything.  I'll have it grinded down a bit later today and see how it plays out.   
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 18, 2020, 01:00:32 AM
I screwed my bleed screw into a 6mm flange nut to just short of level. Using a figure 8 rotating motion squared up the end and polisho it. No problems with leakage after that.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 18, 2020, 05:27:40 PM
Had the bleed screw grinded down yesterday evening.  Put it back in the rifle lathered up with silicone.  Filled the gun to 3,000 PSI and dry fired the gun a few times.  The gauge read just a smidge below 3,000 PSI when I initially put it away.  An hour late the pressure had dropped around 100 PSI.  I was slightly discouraged and then I wondered if the pressure drop was due to filling the gun outside in hot, humid conditions and then bringing it into an air conditioned room. 

Well, this morning the gauge hadn't moved a bit and it still hasn't as I'm typing this.  So it's been holding pressure for 15+ hours with no visible change.  So I guess all is good in the hood.    8)
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Post by: MagnumPI45 on August 30, 2020, 04:44:49 AM
Steve has a new video on youtube showing the detailed installation of Duy's aftermarket parts for the Liberty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vzAeWg_Nm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vzAeWg_Nm4)

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Post by: Wayne52 on August 30, 2020, 06:38:09 AM
Matt I've been following all of Stephens stuff and that is another fantastic video he did.  I did comment about it on the youtube channel also.  Stephen sure makes some great slugs for the Nova Vista guns too.
Duy poppets are awesome, I have one in my wood stocked Liberty and no more leaky poppet in mine anymore plus much more energy to boot than it ever had.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on August 30, 2020, 08:54:17 AM
A very good showcase for Duy's work.  :)   8) 

 
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Post by: Hawkeye51 on August 30, 2020, 02:03:30 PM
Stephen & Duy have lead the way in maximizing the Liberty & Freedoms. When I drilled out my original power adjuster, it exploded the first time I shot it, sending the knob across the room. At that time Duy was not making parts for sale, but I contacted him anyway, and asked for some help. The gun was useless without that part & no way to replace it. He suggested hardened steel so it would have the strength to be safe. His work is first class and he's a great guy.

Stephen's videos give the average guy like me the knowledge & courage to dig into these guns and have some fun improving them. This is another awsome video highlighting some great power mods.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on August 30, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
Stephen & Duy have lead the way in maximizing the Liberty & Freedoms. When I drilled out my original power adjuster, it exploded the first time I shot it, sending the knob across the room. At that time Duy was not making parts for sale, but I contacted him anyway, and asked for some help. The gun was useless without that part & no way to replace it. He suggested hardened steel so it would have the strength to be safe. His work is first class and he's a great guy.

Stephen's videos give the average guy like me the knowledge & courage to dig into these guns and have some fun improving them. This is another awsome video highlighting some great power mods.

I concur.  I'm not a "handy" guy, but thanks to Stephen's videos, I feel pretty confident tearing these guns apart and have a somewhat decent understanding of them thanks to him.  FuzzyGrub has also been extremely helpful with his posts on the Liberty.

Speaking of my "unhandiness," how the *(&^ are you guys getting the valve springs on Duy's poppets?  Duy gave me a link to the springs he uses on them from Amazon, but it was a struggle for me to mate the two together.   Currently, the spring is riding on top of the poppet, so the two are not bound together. Yet, the gun seems to function properly with no leakage.  Not sure if this is fine or if it's going to pose a problem down the road...
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Post by: Madd Hatter on August 30, 2020, 06:12:31 PM
You twist it the opposite of the way it's wound. If you twist it in the direction it is wound it will only get tighter.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 12, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Steve has a new video on youtube showing the detailed installation of Duy's aftermarket parts for the Liberty.



How was her autonomy? How many shots did you get?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on February 13, 2021, 11:27:19 AM
Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 14, 2021, 09:56:29 PM
I would like to know if someone has found a solution for the o-ring that is in the cylinder, which is with the ball, as it causes leakage. Is the solution just replacement?
In Brazil this oring is very difficult to find, and several new Liberty are giving problems in the oring that is close to the cylinder pressure gauge.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on February 15, 2021, 10:52:15 AM
I had the same problem with mine. I bought captain O ring's O ring kit. It has every O ring for the Liberty.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on February 15, 2021, 12:37:35 PM
I had the same problem with mine. I bought captain O ring's O ring kit. It has every O ring for the Liberty.
I would like to know if someone has found a solution for the o-ring that is in the cylinder, which is with the ball, as it causes leakage. Is the solution just replacement?
In Brazil this oring is very difficult to find, and several new Liberty are giving problems in the oring that is close to the cylinder pressure gauge.

Here is a link to the Captain O Ring kit for the Liberty
https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova (https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova)

Not sure what the postage to Brazil would be, however.
Ed
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Post by: Madd Hatter on February 16, 2021, 01:00:05 AM
Hopefully yours doesn't disappear after installing it twice like happened to me.lol  I installed the O ring that matched the print out from Capt oring. Went to fill the rifle and it leaked. Took it back apart, ???? where the @#### is the Oring. Installed the Oring from the other kit. Same results. Finally scrounged an Oring out of a WP fork rebuild kit or from the harbor freight Oring kit, can't remember but it did the trick. I'll pull the fill cap off and check the air cylinder when I install the rest of the kit as the reg is leaking above 3k psi.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 16, 2021, 12:25:09 PM
This oring that is close to the manometer is very difficult to find, there should be a method to replace that oring with the steel ball for something else, most of the new views that are being sold in Brazil present the problem in this oring.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 16, 2021, 12:34:50 PM
Here in Brazil, we are cutting the washer of the Nova Vista Polymer stock, as we detect that it causes the change in the impact point of the pcp according to the pressure in the cylinder.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 16, 2021, 12:38:24 PM
Most pcp nova vista that are sold in Brazil have a problem with the regulator, so we are sending it to a Gunsmith to fix it, after it comes back it is really 100%.
It increases the transfer hole of the selector, puts a pressure gauge on the pre-camera to find out and leaves it set at 140 bar, as they usually come in 130 bar from the factory.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 16, 2021, 12:47:25 PM
This new view pcp is from a friend here in Brazil, a larger pre-camera was placed, the power selector button was removed, the trigger valve was changed and the bore of the transfer was increased. And it is set at 110 bar. She is giving 53 joules of strength with 25.6gr pellet and with a long autonomy, because a 500cc carbon cylinder with Chinese regulator was placed, the ones that sell on Aliexpress. The Z valve was made on a turner. She is an excellent rifle and is now much better.
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Post by: FuzzyGrub on February 16, 2021, 12:52:00 PM
That O-ring is an oddball size: 2.2mm CS X 2.6mm ID

The Capt O-ring kit indicates it is included, but I have not replaced it to verify.  It is NBR, not Poly, though. 


PS: i couldn't tell where you cut the plastic stock.  Could you point that out.

PSS: I have the plenum gauge on syn Liberty's, but not on the wood. 
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on February 16, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
That O-ring is an oddball size: 2.2mm CS X 2.6mm ID

The Capt O-ring kit indicates it is included, but I have not replaced it to verify.  It is NBR, not Poly, though. 


PS: i couldn't tell where you cut the plastic stock.  Could you point that out.

PSS: I have the plenum gauge on syn Liberty's, but not on the wood.

This oring number 2 is the same, it is causing leakage due to the pressure it causes on the steel ball on it and it ends up spoiling, according to some gunsmiths it is a design flaw, it should put something else to make this seal, as this part continues with the ball and the oring sooner or later will cause leakage.
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Post by: OleTomCat on February 16, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Wish I would have seen this sooner, I just went out and bought a pack of each of the O-rings to reseal two Liberties, It still would have been cheaper to buy two kits.

I had the same problem with mine. I bought captain O ring's O ring kit. It has every O ring for the Liberty.
I would like to know if someone has found a solution for the o-ring that is in the cylinder, which is with the ball, as it causes leakage. Is the solution just replacement?
In Brazil this oring is very difficult to find, and several new Liberty are giving problems in the oring that is close to the cylinder pressure gauge.

Here is a link to the Captain O Ring kit for the Liberty
https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova (https://www.captainoring.com/store/c80/AmericanTacticalNova)

Not sure what the postage to Brazil would be, however.
Ed
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Post by: OleTomCat on February 16, 2021, 01:47:26 PM
Do you have a link to his site?

Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on February 16, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
The drawing may say it's a poly but the one I removed was nbr.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on February 17, 2021, 11:41:11 AM
Do you have a link to his site?

Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
He doesn't have a web site. He's a member here. Just PM him and he'll get back to you.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on March 21, 2021, 10:08:13 PM
What is the best pcp? 

Avenger or Nova Liberty?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on March 21, 2021, 10:19:53 PM
I'm partial to the liberty. I remember watching the video air velocity sport did on the avenger. Was not impressed at all. To much plastic IMHO and they never fixed the achilles heel poppet. Used the exact same one in both the liberty and avenger along with the freedom/aspen.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on March 21, 2021, 10:26:09 PM
I'm partial to the liberty. I remember watching the video air velocity sport did on the avenger. Was not impressed at all. To much plastic IMHO and they never fixed the achilles heel poppet. Used the exact same one in both the liberty and avenger along with the freedom/aspen.

I am Brazilian, I have a Nova Liberty, at first it had a polymer stock and I replaced the stock with a wooden stock, but my cylinder has a maximum pressure of 250 bar.  Avenger started to be sold now in Brazil, so I'm wondering if it is worth buying this new model.
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Post by: Back_Roads on March 21, 2021, 11:44:17 PM
 Both have their nerits, but weak poppet material is their weak spot, either have a better poppwt made or try my insta-morph poppet fix
https://www.instamorph.com/ (https://www.instamorph.com/)

















insta-morph poppet fix
























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Post by: OleTomCat on March 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
Do you have a link to his site?

Ordered one of Duy's plenums last night. That will complete the Duy mods.
He doesn't have a web site. He's a member here. Just PM him and he'll get back to you.

He has a website now.

https://dctunes.square.site/
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Post by: Madd Hatter on March 22, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
Thanks for the info Al.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on March 22, 2021, 01:10:37 PM
Recently got my Liberty in .177 back from Duy. He modified the valve and installed a peek poppet.  I experienced leakage with one of his peek poppets prior to this and he believes it may have been due to a manufacturing defect that was preventing the valve from seating.  It took a little while, but he figured it out and the gun has been holding air since.   I highly recommend Duy's work. 

This gun is probably my favorite plinker right now considering the high shot count and it's ability to shoot inexpensive pellets well.  I have the gun tuned to shoot Crosman Premier 7.9gr Hollow Points around 860 FPS.  Wildly accurate with those cheap pellets, though there's the occasional flyer. 

The only problem I have with the gun now is the cocking lever.  About half way through the cocking cycle it becomes rough and difficult to compete the cycle.  This creates potential double-feeding issues when I'm letting others shoot the gun, which is why I'm mostly using the single shot tray.  I was able to smooth it out a little bit with a bit of silicone grease where there's metal on metal contact,  but I know moly paste would be a better solution.   Just don't know which to get since the Air Venturi version seems to be out of stock everywhere. Any suggestions would be appreciated...
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Post by: darkcharisma on March 22, 2021, 01:14:32 PM
check your hammer and mainly the inside of the breech where the hammer travels. it maybe possible that the hammer "stop" inside the breech has been mushed out due to dry fire. smooth it out if it is. then polish your hammer.

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Post by: Madd Hatter on March 22, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
Recently got my Liberty in .177 back from Duy. He modified the valve and installed a peek poppet.  I experienced leakage with one of his peek poppets prior to this and he believes it may have been due to a manufacturing defect that was preventing the valve from seating.  It took a little while, but he figured it out and the gun has been holding air since.   I highly recommend Duy's work. 

This gun is probably my favorite plinker right now considering the high shot count and it's ability to shoot inexpensive pellets well.  I have the gun tuned to shoot Crosman Premier 7.9gr Hollow Points around 860 FPS.  Wildly accurate with those cheap pellets, though there's the occasional flyer. 

The only problem I have with the gun now is the cocking lever.  About half way through the cocking cycle it becomes rough and difficult to compete the cycle.  This creates potential double-feeding issues when I'm letting others shoot the gun, which is why I'm mostly using the single shot tray.  I was able to smooth it out a little bit with a bit of silicone grease where there's metal on metal contact,  but I know moly paste would be a better solution.   Just don't know which to get since the Air Venturi version seems to be out of stock everywhere. Any suggestions would be appreciated...
As Duy said,polish the hammer and make sure it slides back and forth when tipping the rifle up and down using gravity only. I ended up installing a single Oring that the hammer stops against in between the hammer face and the hammer side of the valve. I've had my hammer get real hard to move a few times and this seemed to fix the problem. I also use a dry molly lube to lube the hammer so it doesn't collect dust.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on March 30, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
Does anyone already have the dimensions of the sealing rings of the PCP Avenger .22? An Exploded View of the Carbine has the same Nova Liberty.

I would like to know which o-rings you have on it.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on April 09, 2021, 09:08:28 PM
How big is the Nova Liberty Plenum? 7cc ?
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Post by: Madd Hatter on April 09, 2021, 11:02:12 PM
I believe it's 5cc. Duy is making me a 15cc plenum for mine.
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Post by: darkcharisma on April 09, 2021, 11:07:26 PM
It is 5cc, and I am indeed making that 15cc. Going to try pushing all orders out by Aprils end, yours is coming up...
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Post by: Raptor72 on April 09, 2021, 11:42:43 PM
For o-ring sizes google avenger schematic agn forum. A link from there gives all oring sizes and almost all part #s for the rifle.
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Post by: Madd Hatter on April 10, 2021, 11:22:43 AM
It is 5cc, and I am indeed making that 15cc. Going to try pushing all orders out by Aprils end, yours is coming up...
👍
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on April 10, 2021, 09:24:17 PM
I put a bigger plenum on my Nova Liberty and my reg is set at 2000 psi and the speed it is at is 855 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. However when it was with the original plenum the speed was 880 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. Wasn't the larger Plenum supposed to have increased the Speed ​​of Shot? I didn't make any other changes, I just added the larger plenum.
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Post by: Samcirrus on April 10, 2021, 09:56:00 PM
You have to adjust hammer spring tension to match, also the main plus of a larger plenum is the same power at lower pressures.
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Post by: tracker1955 on April 10, 2021, 09:59:56 PM
I think you'll find that many of us have opened up our barrel port to at least the same diameter as the transfer port, some have replaced their transfer port with one made of good steel so they could drill it out larger as well, along with the barrel port. Unless you modify the stock valve so it can breathe better there will only be so much return on the rest. I also believe the hammer spring in mine has grown weaker over time, could account for some drop unless you re-shim or have an adjuster.
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 10, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
I think you'll find that many of us have opened up our barrel port to at least the same diameter as the transfer port, some have replaced their transfer port with one made of good steel so they could drill it out larger as well, along with the barrel port. Unless you modify the stock valve so it can breathe better there will only be so much return on the rest. I also believe the hammer spring in mine has grown weaker over time, could account for some drop unless you re-shim or have an adjuster.

Speaking of a hammer spring adjuster for the Liberty;
I have seen Stephen's (Air Velocity Sport)  video about making one.
Not all that complicated.
Yet I wonder
Does anyone make one for sale?

Thanks
Ed
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Post by: tracker1955 on April 10, 2021, 11:02:21 PM
I know Duy Dinh was making them but the last I knew he was so covered up with side work he wasn't taking new orders.
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Post by: faelzimxds2 on April 10, 2021, 11:15:05 PM
In Brazil we do this, we use an M8 screw. The square piece is made in the same dimensions as the original and the part that goes inside the spring is 6mm
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Post by: Madd Hatter on April 11, 2021, 02:21:39 AM
I put a bigger plenum on my Nova Liberty and my reg is set at 2000 psi and the speed it is at is 855 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. However when it was with the original plenum the speed was 880 fps with JSB 15.89 grain. Wasn't the larger Plenum supposed to have increased the Speed ​​of Shot? I didn't make any other changes, I just added the larger plenum.
It should've made a big difference. What size plenum did you install? Are you positive you didn't change any settings like HS preload or regulator? Did you just remove the action from the stock and unscrew the plenum and screw in the bigger one. If you removed the reg are you sure it's put back together right? If the reg didn't get screwed back into the drop block exactly the same you will change your reg pressure especially if you screwed it in tighter which would lower your reg pressure.
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Post by: Antwuan Maxx on April 15, 2021, 08:11:29 PM
Looks like the end of the road for the Liberty.  While ATI removed the Airguns section from the drop down menu on their home page months ago, you could still order a synthetic Liberty as recent as two weeks ago via search or accessing the old airgun page url.  Well, that airgun page is no longer there and searches for anything Liberty or airgun related produce zero hits.   
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 15, 2021, 09:59:33 PM
Looks like the end of the road for the Liberty.  While ATI removed the Airguns section from the drop down menu on their home page months ago, you could still order a synthetic Liberty as recent as two weeks ago via search or accessing the old airgun page url.  Well, that airgun page is no longer there and searches for anything Liberty or airgun related produce zero hits.

Ditto for the Freedom
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Post by: Back_Roads on April 15, 2021, 10:07:37 PM
 I guess they will be going up in value sooner than later LOL
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Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on April 15, 2021, 10:23:44 PM
I guess they will be going up in value sooner than later LOL

Yes!
As parts guns

Also
Rumor has it that ATI sold all the remaining Liberty to Air Venturi
They are being secretly converted into Avengers in the basement of a pizza place
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on April 15, 2021, 10:50:03 PM
I guess they will be going up in value sooner than later LOL

Yes!
As parts guns

Also
Rumor has it that ATI sold all the remaining Liberty to Air Venturi
They are being secretly converted into Avengers in the basement of a pizza place
LOL!!!!
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on May 18, 2021, 03:57:47 PM
Well, here's my first comparison between stock 5cc plenum and Duy's 16cc plenum. I have all of Duy's mods installed except the hammer weight. The hs is back down so when I was shooting 24.2 grain hunter mags they would be around 900 fps. Very happy with the results so far. Forgot to mention also that the tp is drilled out to .217 but the barrel is only at .187 but ovalized.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on November 20, 2022, 06:51:29 PM
Does anybody remember if someone made a list of the orings in normal sizes for the liberty. I know I can buy a oring kit from capt Oring as I have 2 of them but want to order replacement Orings for the critical ones I've used.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on November 20, 2022, 07:39:54 PM
Does anybody remember if someone made a list of the orings in normal sizes for the liberty. I know I can buy a oring kit from capt Oring as I have 2 of them but want to order replacement Orings for the critical ones I've used.
Robert

Here's a compiled list of Liberty Orings I picked up in one of the forums a year or so ago,
I believe the format has been adjusted to list the O Rings in the US format of cross section x ID
But have not verified that because my Liberty has not leaked for a while.

I also have a set of Assembly Instructions for the Liberty
Essentially a complete parts breakdown with pictures
It lists all the O Rings in the Chinese format of cross section x OD
(The file is in English)
Let me know if you want it

Hope this helps

Ed.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on November 20, 2022, 08:57:02 PM
Thanks! I have the assembly instructions for both the liberty and the aspen already. I knew someone had come up with a list but couldn't find it. I just had to replace the Oring for the fill check valve but it came out of a harbor freight Oring kit. I actually used a 006 Oring there and it seems to be working.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on November 21, 2022, 10:57:49 AM
Double post
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Spin on November 21, 2022, 11:34:43 AM
Looks to me like they they swapped and adapted the Aspen and the Avenger. My guess is it has the same barrel (excellent) make and they took the 2 level power wheel from the Aspen (Nova Liberty) a nice feature. I'm betting that the plastic stock comes from the same manufacturer as the Avenger's. The sling mounts are a nice feature Too.
Downside for me the manometer(air supply cylinder gage) positioned at the muzzle end and reverting to a fill probe. I think it likely that with the demand there will be a .25 cal gun coming in the future. With the accessible regulator and hammer spring adjustment all in all a very nice gun at an excellent price.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on November 21, 2022, 02:41:41 PM
Looks to me like they they swapped and adapted the Aspen and the Avenger. My guess is it has the same barrel (excellent) make and they took the 2 level power wheel from the Aspen (Nova Liberty) a nice feature. I'm betting that the plastic stock comes from the same manufacturer as the Avenger's. The sling mounts are a nice feature Too.
Downside for me the manometer(air supply cylinder gage) positioned at the muzzle end and reverting to a fill probe. I think it likely that with the demand there will be a .25 cal gun coming in the future. With the accessible regulator and hammer spring adjustment all in all a very nice gun at an excellent price.

Hello @Spin

Hope you find the following interesting/helpful

The Liberty & Freedom, Aspen & Avenger are all made by Nova Vista (China)
The Liberty & Freedom were the first to be imported (ATI)
The Freedom was renamed the Aspen when imported (and adopted) by Air Venturi
ATI no longer imports airguns.

There is a 25 cal version of the Liberty
As far as I know they were only sold in Brazil
See 1st video below

If you want to learn more about the Liberty, take a look at the other video

YES!
The Liberty is a darned good gun.
And I have not yet shot my eye out while reading the gauge

The downside is that parts availability is non-existent
ATI never carried spare parts
And parts guns are rare.

Ed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4mou6FLzKI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4mou6FLzKI)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpT3JuRZfzU)

 





Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on December 02, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
 I was the first consumer to get a Liberty, I ordered a Freedom from Buds Gun Shop, they must of got a sample Liberty, and managed to pack it up and send it to me  ;D Knew the gun would be a hit, no one offered so many options at such a low price before the ATI Nova Vista guns hit the dealers.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: avator on December 02, 2022, 12:45:46 PM
Some of you will remember that some Liberties and Freedoms were sold as non warranty parts guns. What that says to me is that there are folks out there that have some good parts in some non working guns.
However.. in reality, what parts would you really need? Most issues with PCP and pumper guns are leaky orings and seals that can be sourced if you can match them up. Folks have already made oring lists for many of them as well.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: johnbrown on December 03, 2022, 08:28:54 PM
I bought 6 Nova Liberty air rifles inn the past 2-3 years.

They are my favorite air rifle, :)

After 2+ years I am still on the first 2 Nova Liberty (.22 and .177) in use.
The .177 developed a small leak (after many regulator adjustments) but I fill it just before I shoot so it does not bother me so much.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Back_Roads on December 03, 2022, 09:43:51 PM
I bought 6 Nova Liberty air rifles inn the past 2-3 years.

They are my favorite air rifle, :)

After 2+ years I am still on the first 2 Nova Liberty (.22 and .177) in use.
The .177 developed a small leak (after many regulator adjustments) but I fill it just before I shoot so it does not bother me so much.
I recall you found a close out lot somewhere, and did what many of us AG addicts do :)
I was very tempted to add one more to my collection at that time also, something else must of glittered and I bit on that instead LOL
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on March 24, 2023, 05:51:35 PM
To keep from having to read all 120 pages of this thread does anyone remember if the Orings are measured in the parts list od or I'd?
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on March 24, 2023, 06:22:28 PM
To keep from having to read all 120 pages of this thread does anyone remember if the Orings are measured in the parts list od or I'd?
They are backwards from the US/Euro standard of CS x ID

I do not remember which is listed first (OD x CS, vs. CS x OD)
But that should be obvious when reading the list

Hope this helps
Ed
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on March 24, 2023, 07:39:43 PM
Thanks Ed. I knew that before but with my sometimes going strong today I just couldn't remember 😭.😁
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: SILENT SQUIRREL on March 24, 2023, 09:22:59 PM
Thanks Ed. I knew that before but with my sometimes going strong today I just couldn't remember 😭.😁
My pleasure, Robert.
Tell me, please!
Are you reviving the Aspen?
Have you found a solution to the check valve problem?

Ed
PS
We both get sometimes, sometimes.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 25, 2023, 08:45:42 AM
Here are my notes on the Liberty O-rings.  It referances the pages within the parts spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Any US importers carrying this gun?
Post by: Madd Hatter on March 25, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
Thanks Ed. I knew that before but with my sometimes going strong today I just couldn't remember 😭.😁
My pleasure, Robert.
Tell me, please!
Are you reviving the Aspen?
Have you found a solution to the check valve problem?

Ed
PS
We both get sometimes, sometimes.
I'm going to try. It was a fun rifle when it still worked.

Here are my notes on the Liberty O-rings.  It referances the pages within the parts spreadsheet.
Thanks