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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => The Long Range Club => Topic started by: Airgunsniper8698 on July 12, 2022, 10:02:11 PM
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I came to this forum for scope questions, ended up asking about new BB gun, and then today found this Nothing Under A Hundred group. I currently have shots at the 33-50 yard range, and am kinda intrigued now to just push the limits of my pellet rifle.
I've been reading through the rules and they seem fairly easy, so I am going to print off those targets and practice on my own targets first. So I don't waste the real submission targets. I kinda think it would be cool to just work up past 100yards in 50 yard increments if I can till I am in that elusive 300yard range. I have always loved snipers so I if it's even possible with my rifle, I am going to try and get to 1,000 feet(~333.3 yards).
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Excellent goal.... Good luck and I look forward to your submissions.... 8)
Bob
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Day 1: 100 Yards
This could prove difficult. 75 shots... 25 planned to try and get on paper the other 50 to get dialed into center or there abouts. All 75 shots off paper! I don't have a spoter to help me see the dirt rise, so I don't know if I am hitting low under the target or if I am actually shooting high and hitting behind the target. Will have to try and get my mom or dad to come out and man my spoting scope to help me out. Because towards the end of the 75 shots I was aiming well above the target, matter of fact target was just out of the scope picture.
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Day 1: 100 Yards
This could prove difficult. 75 shots... 25 planned to try and get on paper the other 50 to get dialed into center or there abouts. All 75 shots off paper! I don't have a spoter to help me see the dirt rise, so I don't know if I am hitting low under the target or if I am actually shooting high and hitting behind the target. Will have to try and get my mom or dad to come out and man my spoting scope to help me out. Because towards the end of the 75 shots I was aiming well above the target, matter of fact target was just out of the scope picture.
I don't know what you're shooting, or how you have it set up, but...
Sounds to me like you might be overshooting your target?.... I have shot at 100 yards quite a bit with my Diana 350 N-Tec; and at 9x zoom on my UTG 3-9x40 True Hunter scope; I'm waaay off of having to cut off any part of my target trying to get enough holdover-at 75 it's only around 3-4 mildots....
What is your current zero distance? Might want to try some shots with little to no holdover at 50 yards, to get a better grasp of what's going on-when I started working my way out with my Diana, I was already shooting and zeroed at 30-moved out progressively, 40, 50, 75, then had enough of a grasp of how the drop was accelerating to try 100-if I had too much trouble, then I'd have inched it out in 10 yard increments all the way...
Hope this helps, some details on your setup would be nice;
Jesse
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Some details on your setup would be nice;
Jesse
Well I am shooting a Gamo Whisper Fusion Mach 1 with a Barska 3-9x32 scope turned to 9x magnification and originally zeroed at about 50 feet. Not sure where zero is sitting after today, I made some adjustments to it when I was shooting earlier.
I have relatively little issue hitting a target at 100 feet not always dead on target but I hit paper at 100 feet no issues. I really need to invest in a scope with mil dots or something. I'll probably bring the target into 100 feet zero it, then move out in 50 foot increments. I guess that's how I'll have to go. Like what you kinda did just progressively work back, either that or I may go without the scope and use the rifles open sights since it has both windage and elevation adjustments on my rear notch. And since the forward red optic dot is enclosed so I won't have glare on it, say... more bragging rights if I can do it without a scope. Hahah.
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Get a large piece of cardboard and use it as a target backer. You'll be able to see where you're hitting then. I'm not familiar with the rifle you're shooting but it shouldn't require that much holdover.
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I don't have any cardboard, but I have big sheets of paper. I can construct a frame to hold a sheet of paper behind the target or staple my target in the center of the sheet. That is an ingenious idea, would've took me a while to think of that. Thanks
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I don't have any cardboard, but I have big sheets of paper. I can construct a frame to hold a sheet of paper behind the target or staple my target in the center of the sheet. That is an ingenious idea, would've took me a while to think of that. Thanks
No problem. Just remember it's all about getting to know your rifle/ammo combination. Have fun and enjoy your time learning.
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Zackery,
You have set yourself a nice goal. You don't say much as to what your experience level is or much other information. A NUAH certification is not super easy to achieve. I would put it on the level of hitting plates at 600 yards with a PB. Not tough at all with a coach, but you do need equipment capable, lots of things come into play, and if you want to do it over and over again, your skill level is going to count.
I suggest if you aren't into ballistics, and you're not a turret twister (or don't even know what that means) to start at where you have your scope sighted in, and start shooting targets while moving out at ten yard increments until you figure out where you have to aim. You might be surprised at how much pellet drop you are getting at 100 yards.
Then if you don't have the results you want at 100 yards back off to where your gun is zeroed and practice and have fun hitting things. And every so often drag a target out to 50, 75 and 100 yards when it is calm and see how much your skills have improved. If you decide that your equipment isn't up to the task, talk to us here we're happy to talk back.
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Lots of good advice here.
I'm pretty new to 100 yards, too. Here's my take:
+As someone said -- posterboard or similar -- I use a cardboard box about 2 foot by 2 foot on the face, covered with blank paper. I can easily move it to whatever distance I need. Shoot safely!
+Get at least windage very correct at short range, say 10 yards, then move back to say 30 yards, check how much windage and drop, make more scope adjustments, 50 yards...75 yards...etc.
+Round nose pellets retain more speed, and generally fly better at long range. Use good pellets. Find what pellet the gun likes at 50 yards, whatever groups best, and your groups at 100 will typically be at least double that size.
+Don't be surprised if your scope runs out of UP adjustment before you get to 100 yards... I have a shim, 5-7 layers of electrical tape, under my scope on the rear ring, about 0.030" to get it close to correct for shooting at 100 yards. Some folks use aluminum foil or coke can metal. Scope will be a little out of square with the rings, so don't overtighten the rings -- it will be more prone to damage with shims. Or get a more proper scope mount/rings that have the angle, or adjustable angle, built in. Might be the better choice, especially on a spring gun, since the scope needs to be clamped well.
+Get a free copy of "Chairgun" I have it on a windows pc, it might be available on other platforms -- it will show you how much pellet drop to expect, the pellet arc, and lots of other info, more or less, based on your muzzle velocity, pellet type and weight, and other factors.
Best I can tell, from other owner's reports, your gun in .177, is capable of about 1000fps with an 8 grain pellet. I ran numbers with a JSB 7.9 grain round nose pellet...and from scope aimed parallel with barrel, you need somewhere around 30 MOA of UP (and/or holdover) to hit at 100 yards. At 1/4 moa per click, that's 120 clicks, if you have that many left. Odd as it may sound, if you can set up the scope to hit dead center at 6 yards, you should be pretty close at 100 yards. It's all about pellet arc, and the scope sitting ~2 inches above the barrel. The pellet should peak at roughly 55 yards, and hit about 8.5 inches high at that distance.
Lots to learn. Get good with your gun at 50 yards, good enough you can tell that the pellets are the limiting factor, and not you. And then try reaching out further with the pellets the gun likes best. Have fun!
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Quick background on my rifle experience in general. I grew up in the country and live on a farm, my dad taught me gun safety and how to shoot ever since I was 6-8. I've have my own BB gun since I was 14, it was a Red Ryder and I'd drill knock out slugs which are quarter sized at 30' easy and I could hit a tin can tossed in the air by my das at 15-20'. Then I moved to Pellets and was bullseye drilling targets at 50-80' regularly. Now this is my second scoped pellet rifle and it is about twice as strong as my old one. I can keep groups to within ¾-½ inch at 50' and with an inch on hurried shots. I can fairly accurately hit coke cans at 100'.
All that being said this is my first time shooting at anything beyond 150'. I am going to try and do whatever is suggesting in turn. I have plans tomorrow to use my paper behind the target to identify point of impact. Hopefully I am holding over to high like someone said Is likely the case.
If the backer doesn't help give me feedback for scope adjustments or sighting clues then I'll bring the target in closer and step it back.
Someone did mention pellets, I am currently shooting 7.4grain Crossman Premier Destroyers. Even though all 75 of my previous shots were missing paper, most of the dust rise was in the same spot. So for now I am going to assume pellets are ok. I'll let paper decide that tomorrow. I have an extremely short shooting window as it's triple digits and I shoot in direct sunlight. Even in the morning I am sweating in minutes. So I'll see how it goes hopefully the paper will tell all and I can give another update.
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I like Crosman Destroyers, but they are more or less a wadcutter profile and not a good choice for long range. I would suggest 10.5 grain Crosman Premiers if you can get them. I had good luck with them at 100 yards.
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+1 on not using a wad cutter at 100 yards. If those are what you have to shoot, I suggest backing off to 50 yards; shoot in dead calm wind, and work on getting your groups to around 2 moa.
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So today got cut short by some rain. YIPPIE RAIN!!! WE NEED IT!!! hahaha.
Anyway I had my baking paper behind the target and found my hold over was to much. Dropped back down onto paper and made some scope adjustments. And sent 2 pellets 1 inch apart 3¼ inches high of center. I should've adjusted my aim not my scope because made my scope adjustments 10 clicks down to start. And I ended shooting a foot off center low left. But like I suspected even though they were misses the grouping is within 6 inch. So tomorrow if no rain I'll bring the scope back onto my vertical center line and move up and down based on point of impact.
I tired my Hollow Points for the heck of it. They missed entirely while my destroyers where hitting tomorrow I'll take my points, out and see how they do. But for now I'll continue shooting primarily my destroyers.
I do think if I can successfully make this 100yards, that it might be the accuracy limit for my rifle though. Just based on what I am seeing so far, If I wanna go beyond 100yards and hit that 1,000' goal I'll need a more powerful air rifle. But I am going to keep trying.
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quality pellets will keep you from tearing your hair out lol
try some flavors of jsb's
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So today got cut short by some rain. YIPPIE RAIN!!! WE NEED IT!!! hahaha.
Anyway I had my baking paper behind the target and found my hold over was to much. Dropped back down onto paper and made some scope adjustments. And sent 2 pellets 1 inch apart 3¼ inches high of center. I should've adjusted my aim not my scope because made my scope adjustments 10 clicks down to start. And I ended shooting a foot off center low left. But like I suspected even though they were misses the grouping is within 6 inch. So tomorrow if no rain I'll bring the scope back onto my vertical center line and move up and down based on point of impact.
I tired my Hollow Points for the heck of it. They missed entirely while my destroyers where hitting tomorrow I'll take my points, out and see how they do. But for now I'll continue shooting primarily my destroyers.
I do think if I can successfully make this 100yards, that it might be the accuracy limit for my rifle though. Just based on what I am seeing so far, If I wanna go beyond 100yards and hit that 1,000' goal I'll need a more powerful air rifle. But I am going to keep trying.
It sounds like you should invest is some higher quality pellets too. I think the FTTs are one of the most popular in .177 (you didn't say what caliber, I assumed .177 because I don't know if they make Destroyers in .22). I qualified NUAH with a springer, FWIW. Missed the second NUAH level by one pellet width >:(
For 1000 feet you will almost certainly need a PCP rifle shooting slugs. By my understanding the ballistic characteristics of pellets make it almost impossible to shoot them at this range with any kind of accuracy. They have so much drag you'd have to shoot them really fast, and shooting them that fast would be detrimental to accuracy. Or something like that.
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Well we can all aspire to shoot like Gerhard. In this video starting at around 7:20 he says he will hit a soda can at 450yds within 10 shots with his .177 cal FX. He hit it on the 8th shot. ;D
Warning graphic pesting video in other parts of the video. Moved to the hunting gate because of graphic content....
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=201221. (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=201221.)
From the NUAH Rules....
No graphic hunting pics (they have to be posted in the Hunting Gate).
Bob
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It can be done with some repetition with agood shooting or tuned break barrel, main thing holding OP back is finding the right pellet, and not sure if they have a crony to help with the guessing game at play now. Even a heavier domed Crosman pellet 10.5 gr. has done me well out to 55 yards in FT competitions.
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100 yards with a .177 "piston" gun, either gas or spring is doable, but challenging. After you get everything sorted out (optic, heavier domed pellets, a rest and hold that works for you, etc.) you'll find wind to be your biggest challenge. Wind flags of sorts will help tremendously. As a tip, if shooting into a headwind (or a light breeze) your pellets will impact slightly higher than normal. Sounds kind of crazy, but that's how things work out. Also, make sure to have fun too while you're sending lead downrange. :D
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100 yards with a .177 "piston" gun, either gas or spring is doable, but challenging. After you get everything sorted out (optic, heavier domed pellets, a rest and hold that works for you, etc.) you'll find wind to be your biggest challenge. Wind flags of sorts will help tremendously. As a tip, if shooting into a headwind (or a light breeze) your pellets will impact slightly higher than normal. Sounds kind of crazy, but that's how things work out. Also, make sure to have fun too while you're sending lead downrange. :D
I completely agree with you about wind being the biggest challenge. It took me half a ream of printer paper to qualify with my .177 Stormrider. When I tried it with my .25 Flashpup it only took 2 or 3 tries. Even a slight breeze will blow a heavy .177 off course by several inches.
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Wind is always a challenge at longer ranges. Even with a heavier .22 I’ve had good groups sent into the stratosphere by a puff of crosswind that came up just as I shot. With a noticeable crosswind I’ve had trouble keeping my shots on the paper as my range is next to a pond and the ground slopes up from left to right significantly so the wind is always going up or down as well as cross or in and out.
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Had to rezero my scope in at 20-25 yards, for pest management purposes. I am going to have to put this on hold for a while as my neighbor is struggling with squirrels in her garden.
I like to shot in the morning, when doing zeroing or this long range stuff. Because for me at least, in the morning it is dead calm not to mention cool enough to be outside without being cooked alive. I had decent luck yesterday. At 100 yards, I put 3 consecutive pellets within a 2 inch group 4 inches high of center. I'll pick up some domed pellets next time I go to town. I've never shot domes in any of my previous rifles so it'll be fun.
I also have a Benjamin Armada .177 with a bipod and a 4-16x50AO Mil dotted scope on order. I may once I get it and zero it, try it out at 100 yards just for the heck of it.
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This Sunday there will be CASA Field Target at Angeles Shooting Ranges.
There is a sight in range and plenty of experience to assist, and some field target well suited to your springer at 55 yds.
If you're looking to sharpen your skills, this is it.
https://www.californiaairgunshootersassociation.com/ (https://www.californiaairgunshootersassociation.com/)
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Zackery,
Did you ever get back to shooting at longer ranges? For me, this is a good time of year, as the wind dies down for longer periods of time, unfortunately there isn’t as much daylight and the temperatures drop.
Kevin
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quality pellets will keep you from tearing your hair out lol
try some flavors of jsb's
So will being bald.🤗🤗