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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: chwillbill68 on February 11, 2019, 11:37:56 PM
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I know I don't see a lot or maybe nothing about FX airguns on here but there has to be some folks in GTA that buy and shoot them. Anyway I was wondering if anyone has bought any configuration of the Dreamline that has been out for a little while now.
I like the price of them and I think one would fill a nice nitch in my airgun arsenal. I am waiting for the tactical version to come out. I was hoping that if someone bought one, that they might be willing to share their thoughts and insights on it. Also hoping I could ask question about different things I see on the airgun and such.
Thanks Bill C!
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They are expected to start shipping later this month. I think we will all know when they do; won't take much prodding. ;)
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FX had really done a great job bringing new products to market. I really like the Dreamliner group. I hope to shoot some soon
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I was on the Utah Airguns site last week and had put a Classic Dreamline in my cart just to see what shipping would cost. I left it there and that evening I received a call from them saying they had some of the Classics in stock, but only the laminate and walnut stocks. The one I had in my cart with synthetic. I was out to dinner with friends, so I was unable to take the call, but followed up with an e-mail the next day asking about availability of the barrel kits for them. I have not heard back, so they must be really busy, or forgot about me...
I am interested in learning more about the swappable barrel kits. I think it would be great to have both .25 and .22 and be able to swap between the two...
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I was on the Utah Airguns site last week and had put a Classic Dreamline in my cart just to see what shipping would cost. I left it there and that evening I received a call from them saying they had some of the Classics in stock, but only the laminate and walnut stocks. The one I had in my cart with synthetic. I was out to dinner with friends, so I was unable to take the call, but followed up with an e-mail the next day asking about availability of the barrel kits for them. I have not heard back, so they must be really busy, or forgot about me...
I am interested in learning more about the swappable barrel kits. I think it would be great to have both .25 and .22 and be able to swap between the two...
I want to swap barrels also. At first just in same cal. with the X barrel and slug liners when out. I hope someone will do some shooting and tell what the different FPS & FPE with the cal. dial. For instance you have a 22 cal and what happens when you shoot it on the 25 cal or 30 cal setting.
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I don't know about the Dreamline, but I have read reviews of the Crown where it was shooting the same speed with the .22 and .25 barrels. If I remember correctly, both were shooting at around 925 fps, but I don't recall which pellets were being used.
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I don't know about the Dreamline, but I have read reviews of the Crown where it was shooting the same speed with the .22 and .25 barrels. If I remember correctly, both were shooting at around 925 fps, but I don't recall which pellets were being used.
That would be great. I thought I heard or read that the ports were smaller on the dreamline but not real sure. On AAC review he was shooting 18 gr JSB at around 870 fps. Not sure what all adjustments he had done to it!
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I did some price comparisons on the Black Pepper Laminate Classic Dreamline. It appears to be available at Utah Airguns, PA/AGD, and KRALE. KRALE does not offer theDonnyFL Moderator Option, but I added the $99.99 for a TANTO, which it appears is what is being included at PA/AGD and offered for $79.99 at Utah Airguns. All these prices are shipped to the FL Panhandle:
Utah Airguns: $1,362.98
PyramydAir: $1,329.99
KRALE: $1,116.45 + LDC ( $99.00) = $1,215.45
At this point, it appears Utah Airguns is the only folks who are actually receiving and shipping these air rifles.
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Those prices seem pretty good!
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They will be out next month and i like everything I see!!!
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Precision Airguns and Supplies has .22 cal Walnut & Grey Laminates in stock. Krale wouldn't ship FX products to US when AoA had them, they may now, not sure.
They will be out next month and i like everything I see!!!
+1 on that.
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Anyone purchased from KRALE? Seems odd that they can offer these for less (plus less cost for shipping) than any of the US vendors.
Ordering a base synthetic stock Dreamline from the following vendors:
Utah Airguns: $1,032.99
PA/AGD: $1,079.99
KRALE: $879.14
The orders from Utah Airguns and KRALE do not include the DonnyFL Moderator option or any other options, just the air rifle, shipping and in the case of KRALE a credit card fee. I read that PA/AGD is providing the DonnyFL moderator as included on the Dreamline, but I also read they are permanently attached at the factory. I'm not so sure I'd want it permanently attached in the event I want to remove it or use a different, larger moderator.
It seems the savings going through KRALE is pretty substantial. Just curious if I'm missing something, like having to pay customs or something when it arrives. Can anyone help enlighten me as to how this works when purchasing from KRALE? Thanks...
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Krale seems to be a very viable option their customer service by all accounts is excellent and most members seem to receive their rifles well packaged and usually in under 7 days. Full disclosure I have not purchased from them but enough other members have and I only remember 1 or 2 occasions where customs was an issue and the rifle was held up in limbo for some silly reason. I would not hesitate to buy from them if a rifle that I wanted was only available through them for whatever the reason.
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I too would only buy from them "IF" the AG I wanted was not offered from one of our dealers. One of our members did just that. A HW 10 that was not avaliable with the carbine option here.
The reason being, I want dealer warranty support. If I have an issue, which is always possible with a new gun, especially a new platform, I want to be able to pick up the phone and talk to someone knowledgeable on the platform, NOW. LOL
That, and I support our dealers.
Knife
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I too would only buy from them "IF" the AG I wanted was not offered from one of our dealers. One of our members did just that. A HW 10 that was not avaliable with the carbine option here.
The reason being, I want dealer warranty support. If I have an issue, which is always possible with a new gun, especially a new platform, I want to be able to pick up the phone and talk to someone knowledgeable on the platform, NOW. LOL
That, and I support our dealers.
Knife
^^^^ +1 on the local support especially since I only sprechen ze English ::) ;D ;D
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I was going to start a thread in or vendor gate but why not here JSAR is now as of today a FX authorized dealer we will be carrying ALL models of FX guns and we will match or beat any authorized price set down by FX. More to come today on this.
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I was going to start a thread in or vendor gate but why not here JSAR is now as of today a FX authorized dealer we will be carrying ALL models of FX guns and we will match or beat any authorized price set down by FX. More to come today on this.
That's awesome!!!
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I was going to start a thread in or vendor gate but why not here JSAR is now as of today a FX authorized dealer we will be carrying ALL models of FX guns and we will match or beat any authorized price set down by FX. More to come today on this.
Well, that certainly changes things! LOL! Talk about timing! I'll be watching my inbox for a quote to purchase a new FX Dreamline! ;D
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I was going to start a thread in or vendor gate but why not here JSAR is now as of today a FX authorized dealer we will be carrying ALL models of FX guns and we will match or beat any authorized price set down by FX. More to come today on this.
Well, that certainly changes things! LOL! Talk about timing! I'll be watching my inbox for a quote to purchase a new FX Dreamline! ;D
Just PM me exactly what you want. We ordered a bunch of dreamlines.
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I had and Dream Pup on order from Utah Airguns. After finding out that the Dream lite and classic would be coming out first and he was not sure when they would get the Dream pup in, I desided to get the Impact X instead. I also was able to get a slug barrel for it. After added up the cost to get the dream line I wanted (Dream pup with 600mm .22 slug barrel) buying a case and waiting. I desided that I was too close to the cost of an impact to not get the impact. Came in the mail yesterday.
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I ordered a Dreamline Classic with the black pepper laminate stock. I was never a fan of plywood stocks, but I've seen several FXs with black pepper stocks and they look fabulous. I ordered mine from Ken Hicks at Southern Precision Air Weapons (SPAW.com) and should have it in a week. Ken checks them out before shipping which is a good deal in itself.
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I ordered a Dreamline Classic with the black pepper laminate stock. I was never a fan of plywood stocks, but I've seen several FXs with black pepper stocks and they look fabulous. I ordered mine from Ken Hicks at Southern Precision Air Weapons (SPAW.com) and should have it in a week. Ken checks them out before shipping which is a good deal in itself.
Awesome! 22? can't wait to hear what you think and what it can do!
Bill C!
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I’m considering a Dreamline also. Still undecided if I want .22 or .25. Either way, I plan on ordering the other caliber once the kits are available. I love the look of the Black Pepper Laminate stock, but will probably get the synthetic stock for durability. Looking forward to hearing your initial impressions. You may sway me toward the laminate after all!
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
Looking forward to it! Thanks Travis!
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
Travis, have they said when they are going to release the Tactical model and 30 cal models in any of them?
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
Do you have an idea of when you will have pictures and info on the models you will have available, up on your website? Thanks
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I ordered a Dreamline Classic with the black pepper laminate stock. I was never a fan of plywood stocks, but I've seen several FXs with black pepper stocks and they look fabulous. I ordered mine from Ken Hicks at Southern Precision Air Weapons (SPAW.com) and should have it in a week. Ken checks them out before shipping which is a good deal in itself.
Paul did you get to shoot your Dreamline yet and if so how do you like it?
Bill C!
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We ordered a mess of the Dreamlines and should have them shortly and as with all guns we sell there is no tax or shipping charges and all guns are filled then checked for leaks and test fired over our chronograph.
Do you have an idea of when you will have pictures and info on the models you will have available, up on your website? Thanks
We have all the models in stock now
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Yep! I got a call from Matt this morning and I have a .25 Classic on the way! Can't wait to try it out!
Travis, when are you guys going to start getting the barrel kits? I NEED a .22 barrel in the 600mm length! ;D
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Yep! I got a call from Matt this morning and I have a .25 Classic on the way! Can't wait to try it out!
Travis, when are you guys going to start getting the barrel kits? I NEED a .22 barrel in the 600mm length! ;D
Can't wait to hear what you think, Paul. Travis I want one of the tactical models, maybe the small barrel with folding stock. You will probably not get those till late summer?
Bill C!
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Yep! I got a call from Matt this morning and I have a .25 Classic on the way! Can't wait to try it out!
Travis, when are you guys going to start getting the barrel kits? I NEED a .22 barrel in the 600mm length! ;D
Can't wait to hear what you think, Paul. Travis I want one of the tactical models, maybe the small barrel with folding stock. You will probably not get those till late summer?
Bill C!
Yep, that Tactical Stock and a 480cc CF tank are on my wish list along with the 600mm .22 barrel. I was going to get the .177 barrel also, but it doesn't come in the 600mm length that I need for the 290cc cylinder that comes on the .25 Dreamline Classic. I might get a .30 just because I don't have a .30!
It will be interesting to see what different barrels FX makes available for these. Maybe they'll come out with a compact series as well!
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I ordered a Dreamline Classic with the black pepper laminate stock. I was never a fan of plywood stocks, but I've seen several FXs with black pepper stocks and they look fabulous. I ordered mine from Ken Hicks at Southern Precision Air Weapons (SPAW.com) and should have it in a week. Ken checks them out before shipping which is a good deal in itself.
Paul did you get to shoot your Dreamline yet and if so how do you like it?
Bill C!
Sorry I didn't follow up on this but I wrote a review in another forum. Here it is:
Ken prepped the gun testing it for function and accuracy before shipping it to me. The following is a result of his chronograph test. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a gun as consistent as this. Ken said that he almost fell out of his chair. Addendum: Ken measured the trigger at a perfect 9 oz.
It likes JSB 15.9 gr pellets at 929 fps and 18,1 gr at 886 fps. and the extreme spread is 5 and 8 fps respectively supporting Ken's tests. I get two full 18 round magazines plus a few more per fill.
Off to the range to see if I could duplicate Ken’s results. I installed a Mueller 4-14 ACT scope only because it was the only one that didn’t interfere with the large (18) capacity magazine. I used UTG high mounts which were just a tad low for the Hawke Sidewinder that I wanted to use. I didn’t chronograph it, but I zeroed it in and shot some targets at our 55 yard airgun range. All I can say is wow! This gun really shoots. Along with that, I like the smoothness of the side lever and the quality of the metal and wood work. I’ve never been a fan of plywood stocks as Ken can attest, but I’ve seen several FX rifles with the black pepper and all of them look great. It was worth the extra money to me.
I've shot my friend's Crowns and Impacts. I can't say that I could warm up to any of them, mainly because I feel they are too expensive. The Dreamline does almost all of what these other guns do at a much fairer price. Everyone makes a big deal about all this adjustabilty, but frankly, once you get the gun setup, are you ever going to change it?
Pros: Black pepper stock, DonnyFL moderator, large capacity magazine, smooth side lever action, adjustability (for those that like to tinker) light weight, compact size. Did I say price?
Cons: The need for really high rings so that the magazine will clear the bottom of the scope center section. FX unlimited or Sportsmatch extra high HT071 or Sportsmatch adjustable seem to be the only ones that work, although some scopes aren’t as fat in that middle area.
Bottom line is that I’m quite happy with my purchase and may consider another Dreamline down the road. Maybe a .177 for HFT.
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Yep! I got a call from Matt this morning and I have a .25 Classic on the way! Can't wait to try it out!
Travis, when are you guys going to start getting the barrel kits? I NEED a .22 barrel in the 600mm length! ;D
Can't wait to hear what you think, Paul. Travis I want one of the tactical models, maybe the small barrel with folding stock. You will probably not get those till late summer?
Bill C!
Yep, that Tactical Stock and a 480cc CF tank are on my wish list along with the 600mm .22 barrel. I was going to get the .177 barrel also, but it doesn't come in the 600mm length that I need for the 290cc cylinder that comes on the .25 Dreamline Classic. I might get a .30 just because I don't have a .30!
It will be interesting to see what different barrels FX makes available for these. Maybe they'll come out with a compact series as well!
Maybe this was just a mistype, but you said yours has a 290cc tank? Mine has a 250cc.
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I received my Dreamline Classic about two weeks ago. Mine is the BP laminate in .25. I have only fired it a small amount as there was a problem with it and I had to send it in the FX USA. I am sure they'll make it right and get it back to me. I prefer not to say just what the issue is until I see how things play out. However, I am sure it is a one off thing as any others I have looked at did not have the same issue.
Mine has the DonnyFL and it is one nice gun for sure. I like the fact that you can use std high rings as long as you use the mag from a Streamline etc. What little I did get to shoot it shows a lot of promise as far as accuracy.
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Yep! I got a call from Matt this morning and I have a .25 Classic on the way! Can't wait to try it out!
Travis, when are you guys going to start getting the barrel kits? I NEED a .22 barrel in the 600mm length! ;D
Can't wait to hear what you think, Paul. Travis I want one of the tactical models, maybe the small barrel with folding stock. You will probably not get those till late summer?
Bill C!
Yep, that Tactical Stock and a 480cc CF tank are on my wish list along with the 600mm .22 barrel. I was going to get the .177 barrel also, but it doesn't come in the 600mm length that I need for the 290cc cylinder that comes on the .25 Dreamline Classic. I might get a .30 just because I don't have a .30!
It will be interesting to see what different barrels FX makes available for these. Maybe they'll come out with a compact series as well!
Maybe this was just a mistype, but you said yours has a 290cc tank? Mine has a 250cc.
Yes, but I'm basing this on the specs from the FX USA website, I have not received it yet: https://fxairguns.com/rifles/dreamline-classic/
It says the .177 and .22 Dreamline Classics have a 220cc air capacity and the .25 and .30 Classics have a .290cc air capacity.
The specs for the Dreamline Lite says 250cc air capacity for the .25 and .30 Lites. https://fxairguns.com/rifles/dreamline-lite/
Do you have the Classic to the Lite?
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I have the classic laminate. Most of the air web sites I have looked at as far as specs say the same thing as Pyramid's site, which is where I bought mine from, and that is 250cc. I can tell you one thing, the owners manual that came with mine is next to useless. There is almost nothing in it that applies to the Dreamline LOL The box mine came in has the specs on the end label and it is listed at 250cc there as well.
I may add the .30 barrel when they come out. I already have the slug liner for it.
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I have the classic laminate. Most of the air web sites I have looked at as far as specs say the same thing as Pyramid's site, which is where I bought mine from, and that is 250cc. I can tell you one thing, the owners manual that came with mine is next to useless. There is almost nothing in it that applies to the Dreamline LOL The box mine came in has the specs on the end label and it is listed at 250cc there as well.
I may add the .30 barrel when they come out. I already have the slug liner for it.
I hope to have mine by the end of the week, I'll be able to check and see for sure once it arrives. I bought from JSAR and asked if the .25 did in fact have the 290cc air cylinder and they said it did. It may be that's it's just longer than the air cylinder on the .177 and .22. They did say that the 500mm barrels were to short to add the moderator, so maybe it's longer, but now actually 290cc. I'm looking to get the .30 barrel and the 600mm .22 barrel once they are available!
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I ordered a Dreamline Classic with the black pepper laminate stock. I was never a fan of plywood stocks, but I've seen several FXs with black pepper stocks and they look fabulous. I ordered mine from Ken Hicks at Southern Precision Air Weapons (SPAW.com) and should have it in a week. Ken checks them out before shipping which is a good deal in itself.
Paul did you get to shoot your Dreamline yet and if so how do you like it?
Bill C!
Sorry I didn't follow up on this but I wrote a review in another forum. Here it is:
Ken prepped the gun testing it for function and accuracy before shipping it to me. The following is a result of his chronograph test. I can’t say I’ve ever seen a gun as consistent as this. Ken said that he almost fell out of his chair. Addendum: Ken measured the trigger at a perfect 9 oz.
It likes JSB 15.9 gr pellets at 929 fps and 18,1 gr at 886 fps. and the extreme spread is 5 and 8 fps respectively supporting Ken's tests. I get two full 18 round magazines plus a few more per fill.
Off to the range to see if I could duplicate Ken’s results. I installed a Mueller 4-14 ACT scope only because it was the only one that didn’t interfere with the large (18) capacity magazine. I used UTG high mounts which were just a tad low for the Hawke Sidewinder that I wanted to use. I didn’t chronograph it, but I zeroed it in and shot some targets at our 55 yard airgun range. All I can say is wow! This gun really shoots. Along with that, I like the smoothness of the side lever and the quality of the metal and wood work. I’ve never been a fan of plywood stocks as Ken can attest, but I’ve seen several FX rifles with the black pepper and all of them look great. It was worth the extra money to me.
I've shot my friend's Crowns and Impacts. I can't say that I could warm up to any of them, mainly because I feel they are too expensive. The Dreamline does almost all of what these other guns do at a much fairer price. Everyone makes a big deal about all this adjustabilty, but frankly, once you get the gun setup, are you ever going to change it?
Pros: Black pepper stock, DonnyFL moderator, large capacity magazine, smooth side lever action, adjustability (for those that like to tinker) light weight, compact size. Did I say price?
Cons: The need for really high rings so that the magazine will clear the bottom of the scope center section. FX unlimited or Sportsmatch extra high HT071 or Sportsmatch adjustable seem to be the only ones that work, although some scopes aren’t as fat in that middle area.
Bottom line is that I’m quite happy with my purchase and may consider another Dreamline down the road. Maybe a .177 for HFT.
Thanks Paul! That sound awesome. Just waiting on the tactical model to come out then I am going to get one.
Bill C!
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I have the classic laminate. Most of the air web sites I have looked at as far as specs say the same thing as Pyramid's site, which is where I bought mine from, and that is 250cc. I can tell you one thing, the owners manual that came with mine is next to useless. There is almost nothing in it that applies to the Dreamline LOL The box mine came in has the specs on the end label and it is listed at 250cc there as well.
I may add the .30 barrel when they come out. I already have the slug liner for it.
I hope to have mine by the end of the week, I'll be able to check and see for sure once it arrives. I bought from JSAR and asked if the .25 did in fact have the 290cc air cylinder and they said it did. It may be that's it's just longer than the air cylinder on the .177 and .22. They did say that the 500mm barrels were to short to add the moderator, so maybe it's longer, but now actually 290cc. I'm looking to get the .30 barrel and the 600mm .22 barrel once they are available!
There is really a lot of confusion in the specs on these things. It shouldn't be that way. It makes it tough for us end users to really know what is what when shopping and comparing. I will note- several of the air gun channels I have watched reviews on also say it is 250 cc. Mine says 250cc and 230 bar on the label and on the side of the gun it says the 230 BAR for sure, but I can't recall what it says, if anything, about the CC's. However, the spec label does in fact say 2500 along with my serial number and the exact model makeup I have.
This is just my opinion, but the 25's look a little better to me with their longer barrels. It's only about 2.5" of added length overall, but they just look better to me.
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I have the classic laminate. Most of the air web sites I have looked at as far as specs say the same thing as Pyramid's site, which is where I bought mine from, and that is 250cc. I can tell you one thing, the owners manual that came with mine is next to useless. There is almost nothing in it that applies to the Dreamline LOL The box mine came in has the specs on the end label and it is listed at 250cc there as well.
I may add the .30 barrel when they come out. I already have the slug liner for it.
I hope to have mine by the end of the week, I'll be able to check and see for sure once it arrives. I bought from JSAR and asked if the .25 did in fact have the 290cc air cylinder and they said it did. It may be that's it's just longer than the air cylinder on the .177 and .22. They did say that the 500mm barrels were to short to add the moderator, so maybe it's longer, but now actually 290cc. I'm looking to get the .30 barrel and the 600mm .22 barrel once they are available!
There is really a lot of confusion in the specs on these things. It shouldn't be that way. It makes it tough for us end users to really know what is what when shopping and comparing. I will note- several of the air gun channels I have watched reviews on also say it is 250 cc. Mine says 250cc and 230 bar on the label and on the side of the gun it says the 230 BAR for sure, but I can't recall what it says, if anything, about the CC's. However, the spec label does in fact say 2500 along with my serial number and the exact model makeup I have.
This is just my opinion, but the 25's look a little better to me with their longer barrels. It's only about 2.5" of added length overall, but they just look better to me.
I just went on the Pyramid website and saw they list all calibers as having the 250cc air cylinder. This is confusing. I was under the impression the .25 and .30 had a larger air capacity based on being told the 500mm barrels would be to short to add the moderator. I also asked the question on the FX FB page and was told the .25 had a 290cc air capacity. I guess I'll know for sure when I actually get my hands on it! I'll post what I find here.
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
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I have the classic laminate. Most of the air web sites I have looked at as far as specs say the same thing as Pyramid's site, which is where I bought mine from, and that is 250cc. I can tell you one thing, the owners manual that came with mine is next to useless. There is almost nothing in it that applies to the Dreamline LOL The box mine came in has the specs on the end label and it is listed at 250cc there as well.
I may add the .30 barrel when they come out. I already have the slug liner for it.
I hope to have mine by the end of the week, I'll be able to check and see for sure once it arrives. I bought from JSAR and asked if the .25 did in fact have the 290cc air cylinder and they said it did. It may be that's it's just longer than the air cylinder on the .177 and .22. They did say that the 500mm barrels were to short to add the moderator, so maybe it's longer, but now actually 290cc. I'm looking to get the .30 barrel and the 600mm .22 barrel once they are available!
There is really a lot of confusion in the specs on these things. It shouldn't be that way. It makes it tough for us end users to really know what is what when shopping and comparing. I will note- several of the air gun channels I have watched reviews on also say it is 250 cc. Mine says 250cc and 230 bar on the label and on the side of the gun it says the 230 BAR for sure, but I can't recall what it says, if anything, about the CC's. However, the spec label does in fact say 2500 along with my serial number and the exact model makeup I have.
This is just my opinion, but the 25's look a little better to me with their longer barrels. It's only about 2.5" of added length overall, but they just look better to me.
I just went on the Pyramid website and saw they list all calibers as having the 250cc air cylinder. This is confusing. I was under the impression the .25 and .30 had a larger air capacity based on being told the 500mm barrels would be to short to add the moderator. I also asked the question on the FX FB page and was told the .25 had a 290cc air capacity. I guess I'll know for sure when I actually get my hands on it! I'll post what I find here.
Yeah, I'd be interested to hear what you find with yours. I know what mine is labeled as on the box, and that's all I can go by for sure. I drove a ways to a high end airgun shop here in MI last Mon and from what I could see in handling both the .22 and my 25 the other day, they both have the same size air tube, but the 600 mm barrel sticks out past the end of it about 2.5" farther than the 500 mm barrel on the 22, which sticks out about 1/2" past the air tube.
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
Edit: I see that is in fact what they have listed on FX's site. I mis read your post at first and thought you were talking about PA too. However, based on other advertising by FX and the owners manual that came with mine, they have a LOT of misspelled words, mis information and just plain stuff getting lost in translation from swede to english.
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Caliber 0.177" (4.5mm)
Max Velocity 980 fps
Muzzle Energy 20 ft/lbs
Loudness 2-Low-Medium
Overall Length 42.75"
Shot Capacity 21
Barrel Rifled
Scopeable 11mm dovetail
Trigger Two-stage adjustable
Buttplate Rubber
Suggested for Small game hunting/target practice
Action Sidelever
Safety Manual
Powerplant Pre-charged pneumatic
Function Repeater
Max Shots per Fill 100
Body Type Rifle
Fixed/adj. power Multiple settings
Weight 6.6 lbs
Cylinder Size 250 cc
Shrouded Yes
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
Are you sure you are looking at the Dreamline on their site? I ask because I am on there right now and it says 250cc for the .177 Dreamline classic. Maybe the other versions have different sized air tubes?
No I only looked at classic. But I did go back now and you are right. So if the site is correct. I need to by a .25 cal in one of the versions with the 290cc tank. Just to get the most air. Then I guess that could effect what barrel length later. Wow it is confusing.
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
Are you sure you are looking at the Dreamline on their site? I ask because I am on there right now and it says 250cc for the .177 Dreamline classic. Maybe the other versions have different sized air tubes?
No I only looked at classic. But I did go back now and you are right. So if the site is correct. I need to by a .25 cal in one of the versions with the 290cc tank. Just to get the most air. Then I guess that could effect what barrel length later. Wow it is confusing.
I am 99.9% sure that the 25 has a 250cc tank. That is what is on several sites I have checked and what mine is labeled as on the box. As you can see in the post I made above off PA's site, it is shown as 250. FX may make nice guns, but they are really off the mark with advertising and info IME so far. For sure, the 22 laminate classic I handled Monday has the same exact tube I have on my 25 as I had it there with me.
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All the dream lines versions say this except the dream light say 250cc for .25 and .30 cal. Very weird. Maybe they are mixing up there info.
(copied from FX official site)
4,5 (.177) 220 cc
5,5 (.22) 220 cc
6,35 (.25) 290 cc
7,62 (.30) 290 cc
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All the dream lines versions say this except the dream light say 250cc for .25 and .30 cal. Very weird. Maybe they are mixing up there info.
(copied from FX official site)
4,5 (.177) 220 cc
5,5 (.22) 220 cc
6,35 (.25) 290 cc
7,62 (.30) 290 cc
Yes, something is wrong there. They also show different velocities for all cals than most other websites do. As you can see on FX's site. the 30 is a ways off yet as evidenced by the TBA after it in most of the specs.
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Odd that .177 is listed as well, asi FXhas not finalized a .177 barrel yet. Weird! :o ;D
Knife
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
Are you sure you are looking at the Dreamline on their site? I ask because I am on there right now and it says 250cc for the .177 Dreamline classic. Maybe the other versions have different sized air tubes?
No I only looked at classic. But I did go back now and you are right. So if the site is correct. I need to by a .25 cal in one of the versions with the 290cc tank. Just to get the most air. Then I guess that could effect what barrel length later. Wow it is confusing.
I just sent an e-mail to FX USA asking for clarification. Jon has responded pretty quickly to past e-mails I've sent, so hopefully I'll hear back soon. I did find the PM I sent to Matt at JSAR about the availability of the .177 & .22 barrels and he responded that the .22 (500mm) barrel is shorter than the 290cc cylinder, so you couldn't get a moderator on it. FX is a member on GTA, it would be nice if they jumped on here and cleared this up!
I waited specifically to get the .25 because it had the larger air cylinder. I am definitely getting a .22 (600mm) barrel for it once they are available, and probably the .30 as well. At first I was only going to get .177 through .25, but those plans were dashed due to the length of the air cylinder.
Another thought, PA sells the Dreamline Classics with the Moderator permanently attached, so I wonder if they worked a deal with FX for a specific line unique to them that has the 250cc air tank so that all 4 calibers would work regardless of which caliber you chose to purchase first? 250cc is better than 220cc, and probably shorter than the 290cc, so it would be the perfect compromise. The .25 & .30 Dreamline Lites come with a 250cc air cylinder, so it would not be a stretch to do so...
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;) ;D I know some of the folks here are purists and I feel your pain I am not a huge fan of either bottle guns or bullpups I have had both BSA R10 MK II a Talon a WARP.I chose the FX Crown because that 18 round magazine and regulator demand a bottle (also the bottle is not obnoxious). I also wanted the ability to add a 600mm .22 barrel and 700MM .30 The 30 caliber rifle version even if tuned for decent efficiency will use a prodigious amount of air at any decent 70+ FPE power tune. My Marauder at 102 FPE is only good for 8 shots and the eight shot is off of the regulator.
If they had a titanium air tube that could be charged to ~ 4,500 psi then we would not need the bottle and all of us purists would be happy campers with regulated high shot count and awesome amounts of power with normal furniture. ;D ;D
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Don, I'm not a fan of Bullpups or bottles either, but the 480cc CF bottle and Tactical Stock is on my bucket list for the Dreamline! I have no idea when the .30 barrels and the Stocks/CF Tanks will be available, but that combo should give the air needed to push the .30 projectile with the authority needed to be effective at distance! ;D
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;) Paul that's exactly why I want the 700mm fixed shroud .30 slug barrel. I figure that should allow a little more oomph and range for the .30 bullets. That will be my long range reach out and talk to the bashful Groundhogs upstate barrel. ;D ;D
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;) Paul that's exactly why I want the 700mm fixed shroud .30 slug barrel. I figure that should allow a little more oomph and range for the .30 bullets. That will be my long range reach out and talk to the bashful Groundhogs upstate barrel. ;D ;D
That sounds like fun! We don't have those critters this far south!
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;) Paul that's exactly why I want the 700mm fixed shroud .30 slug barrel. I figure that should allow a little more oomph and range for the .30 bullets. That will be my long range reach out and talk to the bashful Groundhogs upstate barrel. ;D ;D
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That sounds like fun! We don't have those critters this far south!
You have other Pests /targets of opportunity down there. In my backyard all pests become buried fertilizer and usually meet their end from my stealthy .177 S510 set on high pushing a heavy pellet. ;D
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I just looked at the FX airgun site and it says .177 and .22 cal have 220 cc and the .25 and 30 cal have 290cc. That is a pretty big difference ether way from 250cc.
Are you sure you are looking at the Dreamline on their site? I ask because I am on there right now and it says 250cc for the .177 Dreamline classic. Maybe the other versions have different sized air tubes?
No I only looked at classic. But I did go back now and you are right. So if the site is correct. I need to by a .25 cal in one of the versions with the 290cc tank. Just to get the most air. Then I guess that could effect what barrel length later. Wow it is confusing.
I just sent an e-mail to FX USA asking for clarification. Jon has responded pretty quickly to past e-mails I've sent, so hopefully I'll hear back soon. I did find the PM I sent to Matt at JSAR about the availability of the .177 & .22 barrels and he responded that the .22 (500mm) barrel is shorter than the 290cc cylinder, so you couldn't get a moderator on it. FX is a member on GTA, it would be nice if they jumped on here and cleared this up!
I waited specifically to get the .25 because it had the larger air cylinder. I am definitely getting a .22 (600mm) barrel for it once they are available, and probably the .30 as well. At first I was only going to get .177 through .25, but those plans were dashed due to the length of the air cylinder.
Another thought, PA sells the Dreamline Classics with the Moderator permanently attached, so I wonder if they worked a deal with FX for a specific line unique to them that has the 250cc air tank so that all 4 calibers would work regardless of which caliber you chose to purchase first? 250cc is better than 220cc, and probably shorter than the 290cc, so it would be the perfect compromise. The .25 & .30 Dreamline Lites come with a 250cc air cylinder, so it would not be a stretch to do so...
You raise some interesting points/thoughts here. I know that Steve on Airguns Exploration & Advancement YT Channel has reviewed the Dreamline classic laminate in .22 and it had a Donny FL that he could put on or take off and he does so in the video. At the 1:37 mark, he says the .22 has a 250cc res. You can watch it and see what you think. it is down a few rows from the top of the list.
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It seems to be just like the wildcats, with the 500mm for .177 and .22; 600mm for .25 and .30, with a corresponding longer cylinder to match it.
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I know that's what some are hearing, but I have handled both my 25 and a 22 on the same day and they had the same exact tubes on them. I think FX has some old and possibly preliminary info on their site and that is what it causing so much confusion on here as well as on sites that sell them and should really know what is what.
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I have not heard back from FX USA yet, so I submitted a ticket direct to FX Sweden and asked the following question:
I am getting ready to order an FX Dreamline Classic in .25. There seems to be some differences in the specification listed on your website and the website of of some vendors, specifically, Pyramid Air. My question has to do with the actual air capacity of the FX Dreamline Classic in specific calibers. Your website states the .177 & .22 have an air capacity of 220cc and the .25 & .30 have an air capacity of 290cc. The Pyramid Air website lists the air capacity as 250cc for all 4 calibers. Can you please clear this up for me? I am interested in purchasing a .25 Dreamline Classic and would like to know the actual air capacity of the air rifle before I purchase it. Thank you for your help.
Hopefully we can get some clarification on what the actual air capacity is supposed to be! I know JSAR has both the .25 Classics and the .22 Classics in stock, so they are able to compare the two, and Matt was very specific with his comment about the .25 having a longer air cylinder and thus the DonnyFL Moderator would not be able to be installed on a 500mm barrel, and the .22 Dreamlines they have in stock have the 500mm barrels, as far as I know. My Dreamline should be shipping out today, so I'll have it later this week. I guess we'll see which I get quicker, the rifle from JSAR or a response from FX USA or FX Sweden!
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Did you go to AEAC channel and watch that video? He has a 22 with 500 mm barrel and the Donny on it. The barrel hangs about 1/2" past the air tube. The barrel on my 25 hangs about 2.5" past the air tube. The 22 I handled had a 500 mm bbl and it was just like the one on AEAC channel and had the thread protector in place, but we could screw a moderator on it off other guns in the rack with no problem.
I hope FX gets back with you asap just the same.
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Tim,
I'm at work and YouTube is blocked, but fortunately, I can get to GTA which is much more important! LOL! I sent a PM to Travis and Matt at JSAR and asked if they could clarify the specs on the models they are selling. I know they have Classics in both .22 and .25, so I hope they can at least clear up the specs on what they have. I'm not sure if they would know if PA has some special model made just for them that has a permeant LDC and a 250cc tank. I provided a link to this topic, so hopefully they will share the specs of the Classics they have in stock.
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Great! Let us know (I'm sure you will ) what they say. It would not so good if they say one thing and FX e-mails you different specs LOL
Oh, BTW- don't forget the barrels are shorter than the outer shroud the Donny screws onto, so even if a 500 mm barrel is shorter than the air tube, it is still possible to have the Donny on the end of it.
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I guess we'll see which I get quicker, the rifle from JSAR or a response from FX USA or FX Sweden!
I had a similar race........I was asking about the mod kits, eg if I purchased a Lite or classic, when to expect the ability to convert to tactical. JSAR responded in matter of hours answering my other questions however was unsure about, FX Airguns responded in 24 hours, telling me to send my inquiry to FX SalesUSA but have yet to receive any information since sending my inquiry last Thursday. Hopefully soon.
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Oh, BTW- don't forget the barrels are shorter than the outer shroud the Donny screws onto, so even if a 500 mm barrel is shorter than the air tube, it is still possible to have the Donny on the end of it.
Sorry, but you can't use a 600mm shroud on a 500mm barrel.
I took some pics of both .22 and .25 Classics and Lites together so you can see the difference in cylinder lengths. I'm not positive of the exact capacity, but it looks like the .25 cylinders are closer to 250cc.
None of the stickers on the any of the boxes we have say the capacity, just double checked the 7 we have in stock.
Where is this permanent moderator version? I couldn't find it on PA's site.
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Oh, BTW- don't forget the barrels are shorter than the outer shroud the Donny screws onto, so even if a 500 mm barrel is shorter than the air tube, it is still possible to have the Donny on the end of it.
Sorry, but you can't use a 600mm shroud on a 500mm barrel.
I took some pics of both .22 and .25 Classics and Lites together so you can see the difference in cylinder lengths. I'm not positive of the exact capacity, but it looks like the .25 cylinders are closer to 250cc.
Where is this fixed moderator version? I couldn't find it on PA's site.
You completely misread my post it appears. I never said that you could use a 600 mm shroud on a 500 mm bbl. I am simply saying that the bbl is shorter than the overall outer shroud so a moderator can still be installed on the 22.
Your pics are interesting, but I wonder if it is the same across the entire Dreamline series? However, I appreciate you posting them and it is interesting for sure. I know it only makes sense that the two larger cals would/should have a larger air cylinder.
I know my box does in fact say 250cc on the end label.
This is right from their (PA's) site-
FX Dreamline Classic, Laminate Stock, w/ Moderator
Black Pepper Laminate Stock
Externally Adjustable AMP Regulator
STX Smooth Twist X Barrel System
Two Stage Adjustable Trigger
Fully Shrouded barrel with Fixed DonnyFL Moderator
3-step transfer port adjustment
11mm dovetail for optics mounting
250cc air cylinder
230 BAR / 3,335 PSI Max Fill Pressure
Smooth Sidelever cocking system
Magazine Capacity: 21 rds. in .177, 18 rds. in .22, 16 rds. in .25
Shots per fill: 100 in .177, 60 in .22, 30 in .25
Muzzle Energy: 20 FPE in .177, 32 FPE in .22, 48 FPE in .25
500mm (19.685") barrel in .177 & .22 cal, 600mm (23.62") barrel in .25 cal
1/8" BSPP Fill Probe
Includes one magazine and 3 year transferable warranty
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What Paul was stating, is that you can't put a moderator on a Dreamline with a 500mm barrel and the larger cylinder. The shroud is shorter than the cylinder. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the .22 barrel/shroud.
We have .22's and .25's in Classic, Lite, and Pup. They all have longer cylinders on the .25's.
I'm not sure PA meant "permanently affixed". I believe they're just saying it's not the telescopic shroud. All the Dreamlines we've received w/DonnyFL's have been packaged separately in the box. I guess it's possible for PA to be thread locking them on... I see you removed permanent from your post.
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What Paul was stating, is that you can't put a moderator on a Dreamline with a 500mm barrel and the larger cylinder. The shroud is shorter than the cylinder. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the .22 barrel/shroud.
We have .22's and .25's in Classic, Lite, and Pup. They all have longer cylinders on the .25's.
I'm not sure PA meant "permanently affixed". I believe they're just saying it's not the telescopic shroud. All the Dreamlines we've received w/DonnyFL's have been packaged separately in the box. I guess it's possible for PA to be thread locking them on... I see you removed permanent from your post.
Matt, thanks for jumping in and providing some clarification! Permanently affixed was my term. I thought I read a review on HardAir Magazine’s website where they inferred the moderator could not be removed. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
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What Paul was stating, is that you can't put a moderator on a Dreamline with a 500mm barrel and the larger cylinder. The shroud is shorter than the cylinder. I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the .22 barrel/shroud.
We have .22's and .25's in Classic, Lite, and Pup. They all have longer cylinders on the .25's.
I'm not sure PA meant "permanently affixed". I believe they're just saying it's not the telescopic shroud. All the Dreamlines we've received w/DonnyFL's have been packaged separately in the box. I guess it's possible for PA to be thread locking them on... I see you removed permanent from your post.
Matt, thanks for jumping in and providing some clarification! Permanently affixed was my term. I thought I read a review on HardAir Magazine’s website where they inferred the moderator could not be removed. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
I also said permanently affixed, so you weren't alone. that is how PA has it listed on their site, and how they described it to me when I was talking to them bout it. It is for the reason I mentioned in my post above this one.
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Matt, thanks for jumping in and providing some clarification! Permanently affixed was my term. I thought I read a review on HardAir Magazine’s website where they inferred the moderator could not be removed. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
Clear as mud! I still want to know why we don't have any capacity measurements on our labels and why Tim saw both calibers with the same size cylinders. So much conflicting info...
Tim, how long is your cylinder?
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I found where I read it. It was on Airgun Depot's website, and I quote:
The barrel is shrouded, but the shroud is very slender and doesn't suppress the report enough to make it backyard friendly so FX has partnered with DonnyFL to provide world-class moderators designed specifically for the Dreamline at an affordable price. They are so effective and make the Dreamline such a quiet gun that we are offering them as standard and they will come permanently affixed from FX. Plus they look awesome! This raises the price a mere $80, which is far below the retail price and we are confident that you will find it well worth it.
Here's a link to the entire article: https://www.airgundepot.com/fx-dreamline.html (https://www.airgundepot.com/fx-dreamline.html)
This article also says the air capacity is 250cc and does not mention differing capacities between the .177/.22's and the .25/.30s's.
The air cylinder holds 250ccs of air compared to the 190ccs of the Streamline and it is filled via an FX air probe at the top of the cylinder.
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Matt, thanks for jumping in and providing some clarification! Permanently affixed was my term. I thought I read a review on HardAir Magazine’s website where they inferred the moderator could not be removed. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
Clear as mud! I still want to know why we don't have any capacity measurements on our labels and why Tim saw both calibers with the same size cylinders. So much conflicting info...
Tim, how long is your cylinder?
Well, it should be interesting to see what FX has to say, if they reply...
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Matt, thanks for jumping in and providing some clarification! Permanently affixed was my term. I thought I read a review on HardAir Magazine’s website where they inferred the moderator could not be removed. I’ll have to see if I can find it again.
Clear as mud! I still want to know why we don't have any capacity measurements on our labels and why Tim saw both calibers with the same size cylinders. So much conflicting info...
Tim, how long is your cylinder?
I can't give that number to you at the moment. FX USA has my gun for the repair I think I mentioned earlier.
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I found where I read it. It was on Airgun Depot's website, and I quote:
The barrel is shrouded, but the shroud is very slender and doesn't suppress the report enough to make it backyard friendly so FX has partnered with DonnyFL to provide world-class moderators designed specifically for the Dreamline at an affordable price. They are so effective and make the Dreamline such a quiet gun that we are offering them as standard and they will come permanently affixed from FX. Plus they look awesome! This raises the price a mere $80, which is far below the retail price and we are confident that you will find it well worth it.
Here's a link to the entire article: https://www.airgundepot.com/fx-dreamline.html (https://www.airgundepot.com/fx-dreamline.html)
This article also says the air capacity is 250cc and does not mention differing capacities between the .177/.22's and the .25/.30s's.
The air cylinder holds 250ccs of air compared to the 190ccs of the Streamline and it is filled via an FX air probe at the top of the cylinder.
Yes, that was one of the other places where I have read all that too. Thanks for posting that.
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PA sometimes makes mistakes; the AA S5 full size and carbine size had the same barrel lengths sometime last year--they have rectified it though.
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That's true about PA, but what they have on their site regarding the Dreamline classic in 25 is right on with what mine is like, although I can't say for dead certain that the 250cc is correct.
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Oh, BTW- don't forget the barrels are shorter than the outer shroud the Donny screws onto, so even if a 500 mm barrel is shorter than the air tube, it is still possible to have the Donny on the end of it.
Sorry, but you can't use a 600mm shroud on a 500mm barrel.
I took some pics of both .22 and .25 Classics and Lites together so you can see the difference in cylinder lengths. I'm not positive of the exact capacity, but it looks like the .25 cylinders are closer to 250cc.
None of the stickers on the any of the boxes we have say the capacity, just double checked the 7 we have in stock.
Where is this permanent moderator version? I couldn't find it on PA's site.
Matt, are the length of the air cylinders on Lites the same as those on the Classics? Just curious because the FX website does say the .25/.30 Lites have a 250cc air capacity and the .177/.22 Lites have 220cc. If the air tubes are the same on the corresponding Lites and Classics, then they probably are 250cc and the error is on FX's website. Regardless, it still appears larger than what comes on the .177/.22's, so it was worth waiting on a .25!
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I had and Dream Pup on order from Utah Airguns. After finding out that the Dream lite and classic would be coming out first and he was not sure when they would get the Dream pup in, I desided to get the Impact X instead. I also was able to get a slug barrel for it. After added up the cost to get the dream line I wanted (Dream pup with 600mm .22 slug barrel) buying a case and waiting. I desided that I was too close to the cost of an impact to not get the impact. Came in the mail yesterday.
Your comment got me thinking also, but I would want the mkII of it to get the bigger plenum and who knows when it will be out
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Just heard back from FX USA regarding mod kits. They do not have an estimated date on the release of these but will be updated the FB page with this info when available.
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The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
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The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
LOL! Well, that even further muddies the waters! If the .22 Lite is 220cc and the .25 Classic is 250cc, then what's the real capacity of the .22 Classic?
How exactly would you be able to measure the actual air capacity of each, short of removing them, filling them with some liquid and then measuring the amount of liquid in each cylinder?
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That would be the most accurate way. If you knew the length of the reg and how far the end cap threaded in, you could roughly calculate the capacity. If I get some spare time, I'll pull a .25 apart and check.
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All good points and info. Please keep it coming. I am as curious as anyone.
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The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
LOL! Well, that even further muddies the waters! If the .22 Lite is 220cc and the .25 Classic is 250cc, then what's the real capacity of the .22 Classic?
How exactly would you be able to measure the actual air capacity of each, short of removing them, filling them with some liquid and then measuring the amount of liquid in each cylinder?
You could fill a different vessel with methanol and measure its volume, then dry it out and hook it up with a pressure differential to the volume you want to know. You use the ideal gas law to predict final pressure for both sizes and go with the prediction that is closer. This is assuming your aversion is to whetting your cylinder, and not mildly involved DIY.
edit: Make sure you account for interstitial volume and the fact that the cylinder will start with gas in it!
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That sure sounds pretty complicated. I may just pull out my tape measure, measure the length of the cylinder and the inside diameter and plug it into the formula for calculating the volume of a cylinder: volume = π * r2 * h, and convert that to cc's...
The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
LOL! Well, that even further muddies the waters! If the .22 Lite is 220cc and the .25 Classic is 250cc, then what's the real capacity of the .22 Classic?
How exactly would you be able to measure the actual air capacity of each, short of removing them, filling them with some liquid and then measuring the amount of liquid in each cylinder?
You could fill a different vessel with methanol and measure its volume, then dry it out and hook it up with a pressure differential to the volume you want to know. You use the ideal gas law to predict final pressure for both sizes and go with the prediction that is closer. This is assuming your aversion is to whetting your cylinder, and not mildly involved DIY.
edit: Make sure you account for interstitial volume and the fact that the cylinder will start with gas in it!
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The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
LOL! Well, that even further muddies the waters! If the .22 Lite is 220cc and the .25 Classic is 250cc, then what's the real capacity of the .22 Classic?
How exactly would you be able to measure the actual air capacity of each, short of removing them, filling them with some liquid and then measuring the amount of liquid in each cylinder?
You could have this tank size:
(https://i.imgur.com/popRpXr.jpg)
I dunno but I really despise looking at bottles, lol!
A friend of mine who now owns a multi million (Peso) CNC machine built this air rifle.
It has a super sweet trigger.
This Fil-Chinese guy behind the trigger beat all of us when he joined our airgun comp but then he is of the best PB long distance shooters in our city.
I think this was 5 years ago.
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That sure sounds pretty complicated. I may just pull out my tape measure, measure the length of the cylinder and the inside diameter and plug it into the formula for calculating the volume of a cylinder: volume = π * r2 * h, and convert that to cc's...
The .25 Classic and Lite do have the same size cylinder but the .22 Classic has an 18 1/4" cyl. vs. 16 3/8" on the Lite.
LOL! Well, that even further muddies the waters! If the .22 Lite is 220cc and the .25 Classic is 250cc, then what's the real capacity of the .22 Classic?
How exactly would you be able to measure the actual air capacity of each, short of removing them, filling them with some liquid and then measuring the amount of liquid in each cylinder?
You could fill a different vessel with methanol and measure its volume, then dry it out and hook it up with a pressure differential to the volume you want to know. You use the ideal gas law to predict final pressure for both sizes and go with the prediction that is closer. This is assuming your aversion is to whetting your cylinder, and not mildly involved DIY.
edit: Make sure you account for interstitial volume and the fact that the cylinder will start with gas in it!
Honestly with the size differences here that is probably close enough too.
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I heard back from FX Sweden, according this the person who responded their website is newly updated so these figures are correct. They think the 250cc was early figures that were approximate. So, the .25/.30 may actually be 290cc.
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Well................that's almost good news. If only we could be certain that the manu is 100% correct. If that info is as useful and accurate as what's in my owners manual............. ::) ;D
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Well, I posted the question on the AGD website and the Staff responded and said the FX website was correct and they would be updating their website to reflect the correct information.
http://disq.us/p/213w1o7 (http://disq.us/p/213w1o7)
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Interesting. I have the same inquiry in to FX USA and will post what they say when I get the reply. I'll be glad if it is in fact 290.
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Yes it would! I’m curious, the sticker you had on the end of your box that said 250cc, do you think that sticker was put on there by PA? Matt said the Dreams he had didn’t have any info about the size of the air capacity.
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I'm not sure who put it on, but it appeared like it was factory deal. They have my box, so I can't go and look or get pics. I am not sure if they will even return the original box to me, but I asked them to.
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I just heard back from FX USA and they say to go with the FX website too, so I guess it is 290cc on the 25, which I am quite happy about. :D
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This may be a dumb question, but I am having trouble wrapping my head around it all. When you look at the guns the lower calibers .177/.22 cal, they look like there is not much barrel sticking out past the end of the air tank. Plus FX says they are 70 cc less, which would seem to go with the 600mm barrel FX says they have. So I wonder if I bought a .25cal first with the longer tank (70cc more) and longer 700 mm barrel and a .22 cal barrel for later, when I stick it on would it be shorter than the .25 cal tank? I wish I could go to a shop that sells them all and look at and pick them up like someone earlier recommended.
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For right now anyway, the Dreamlines only have a 500 mm bbl for 177 and 22, but have a 600 mm bbl for the 25 and that is what they show that will be on the 30 when they finally come out. There is no 700 mm bbl that I know of for them, nor for any other model FX that will work with the current shrouds available.
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I just read that the Smooth Twist X Barrels will fit across all of the new models so my crown .25 with the 600mm barrel if I want to swap it out I can get a .22 500mm barrel kit which is pretty much plug and play. The kit lists for $399 and includes the .22 smooth twist insert ,barrel liner, shroud and pellet probe . The high capacity magazine is + $79 or the 11 shot mag is $59 list price. What I saw leads me to believe Crown, Wildcat, Impact, or Dreamline all have the same fitment for the barrels the length will mainly affect aesthetics if you have a short barrel and large air tank
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From what I have read, FX will offer the .22 barrel in both the 500mm length and the 600mm length. As of now, the .177 barrel is only being offered in the 500mm length.
When Matt at JSAR was checking out my .25 Classic, he said the 500mm barrels were shorter than the air cylinder so you would not be able to add the DonnyFL LDC. That killed my plans of getting the .177 barrel, so I decided to go for the .30 instead! ;D
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You can get a 600 mm bbl in 22, so that would lower your cost to around $110.
I am not an FX expert by any means, but I have been in contact with FX USA quite a bit about my Dreamline. It doesn't sound like you can swap the shrouds etc over to the Dreamline, but you can swap bbl liners for sure. I'm referring to the inner barrel shrouds that the outer one screws on to. Could be way wrong, having been so many times before LOL
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From what I have read, FX will offer the .22 barrel in both the 500mm length and the 600mm length. As of now, the .177 barrel is only being offered in the 500mm length.
When Matt at JSAR was checking out my .25 Classic, he said the 500mm barrels were shorter than the air cylinder so you would not be able to add the DonnyFL LDC. That killed my plans of getting the .177 barrel, so I decided to go for the .30 instead! ;D
I think that's is wrong. Steve on AEAC channel has the 22 with the 500 mm bbl and a Donny on it. You need to check that video out.
Plus- PA is selling the 22 with 500 mm bbl's and a fixed Donny on them.
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But remember, the .22 has a smaller air cylinder. What Matt was telling me was the 500mm barrels won’t work with the 290cc air cylinders of the .25/.30 models.
I would like to check out the video though, do you have the link?
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But remember, the .22 has a smaller air cylinder. What Matt was telling me was the 500mm barrels won’t work with the 290cc air cylinders of the .25/.30 models.
I would like to check out the video though, do you have the link?
NO, that's correct about the 500 mm bbl and the larger air tube of the 25. I thought you meant that you couldn't use a Donny on a 22 as they come.
I trie to post a link to it before but it says I can't link to outside sources. Just google Airgun Exploration and Advancement Channel, go to his video list and it is down about 4-5 rows now. There is a color thumbnail of the Dreamlne Laminate though, along with big lettering, so you should be able to find it quickly. I think you'll like it.
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Thanks, I’ll check it out! Sorry for the confusion. I guess the shorter barrels go with the shorter air cylinders. All the pictures you see must be of the .22 calibers because the barrel of mine extend past the air cylinder much further than is does in those pictures!
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From what I have read, FX will offer the .22 barrel in both the 500mm length and the 600mm length. As of now, the .177 barrel is only being offered in the 500mm length.
When Matt at JSAR was checking out my .25 Classic, he said the 500mm barrels were shorter than the air cylinder so you would not be able to add the DonnyFL LDC. That killed my plans of getting the .177 barrel, so I decided to go for the .30 instead! ;D
You could always get the extendable shroud version in .177 unscrew the shroud end cap and install the donny FL LDC with the shroud extended that should work ;) ;D That's my plan for the .22 kit I am getting for the Crown ;D ;D
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Thanks, I’ll check it out! Sorry for the confusion. I guess the shorter barrels go with the shorter air cylinders. All the pictures you see must be of the .22 calibers because the barrel of mine extend past the air cylinder much further than is does in those pictures!
Oh, no problem. I'm confused most of the time anyway ;D My barrel does too.
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Don, looking forward to hearing how that barrel kit works. I’m not sure the Crown and Dreamline will share the same barrel/probe kit. It would be nice if they did, but I’d definitely want verification of it before shelling out $400!
I know Matt was going to contact FX USA about the 600mm .22 barrel kits for the Dreamline, I hope he gets some good news.
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For all you inquiring minds who want to know ( ::) Paul ) I just got off the phone with Jeff at Trenier Outdoors the barrel kits are not interchangeable between the different models . The good news is the kit does come with the shroud AND I can use a 500mm .177 barrel on my Crown
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For all you inquiring minds who want to know ( ::) Paul ) I just got off the phone with Jeff at Trenier Outdoors the barrel kits are not interchangeable between the different models . The good news is the kit does come with the shroud AND I can use a 500mm .177 barrel on my Crown
That's what I thought, although the barrel liners themselves are interchangeable. Thanks for that info.
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For all you inquiring minds who want to know ( ::) Paul ) I just got off the phone with Jeff at Trenier Outdoors the barrel kits are not interchangeable between the different models . The good news is the kit does come with the shroud AND I can use a 500mm .177 barrel on my Crown
Thanks Don, that’s kinda what I suspected. I guess the wait begins...
Also, for those wondering, the Hatsan semi-auto magazines will not work in the FX and vice versa. I still don’t know if the Flash Magazines will or not, but these won’t. Now, if a shim was fabricated to fill the gap under the magazine when it’s inserted, that may be a workaround, but I don’t have the tools or expertise to even attempt something like that!
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Just to let some of you in on this-
Some here are aware that Dreamlines with 600 mmm barrels have an issue with drooping, especially with the DonnyFL mounted. Mine is one such rifle. The barrel droops under the weight and if you cant it to either side, it droops to the downhill side which means that accuracy will never be what it could be ad POI will change.
I have been in contact for a while now with FX USA about my Dreamline having the barrel droop issue. They have informed me that FX Sweden is developing a barrel band for the Dreamlines to support the longer 600 mm barrel's and eliminate the droop issue like mine has. That is about the extent of what I know at this time and have no idea when the band will be available to owners here. I will say that the young lady at FX USA that I have been dealing with has been outstanding to deal with, and has kept me informed and answered all my questions promptly and politely.
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I picked up a Dreamline Classic in .25 yesterday and it hammers! I am curious about the droop because with the moderator my barrel does touch the air cylinder. I'm going to rig up some kind of rubber O-ring just to keep it level for now. hopeful whatever FX comes up with will be applicable for existing models. sometimes i hate getting on a bandwagon too quickly!
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I picked up a Dreamline Classic in .25 yesterday and it hammers! I am curious about the droop because with the moderator my barrel does touch the air cylinder. I'm going to rig up some kind of rubber O-ring just to keep it level for now. hopeful whatever FX comes up with will be applicable for existing models. sometimes i hate getting on a bandwagon too quickly!
i found that a thin strip of grip tape wrapped around the very end of the air cylinder works for me, for now. Wrap it all the way around to maintain protection when the fill cover rotates. Mine is thin enough that the shroud doesn't rest on it, but it does prevent it from clanging.
I definitely want one of the barrel supports whenever they are available.
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Yep, I'm wrapping my air cylinder until my band comes. I was going to do that originally before sending the gun in, but the thought of having to do that to a new gun that cost that much and shouldn't require it made me resist and angered enough to contact them to get this resolved the right way. Otherwise, the gun is very nice.
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I just bought a rubber O-ring that spaces the barrel off the tank. I'm scheming another quick-fix solution now that i'll report on if I deem it worthy.
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On o-ring was another solution I had thought about trying before deciding to send it in. I think it is a good one too as it will allow the barrel to free float s much as possible while keeping it from banging of the air tube. In all honesty, FX should have had this all sorted before they even announced them, let alone shipped them.
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I added an o-ring to mine. So far I have been lucky and the barrel doesn't even thought the o-ring with the gun in the horizontal position, even with the DonnyFL installed, however, It does flex enough to tap against the air tube when being moved, so the o-ring keep them from coming in contact with each other.
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I did the O-ring thing to mine and it worked very well for maintaining the gap between the barrel and cylinder. I used a nitrile O-ring with 5/8"OD, 3/4"ID, 1/16"dia. and it fit perfect and barely touches the cylinder so it doesn't push the barrel upward causing shots to go high.
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I went the other direction and put the o-ring on the air tube!!!
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My Dreamline Bullpup is a .22 cal so it doesn’t have as much length or weight on the (500mm) barrel muzzle end versus a .25 cal (600mm) barrel which may cause some droop. One thing that Dreamline owners may try is checking if the blued liner sleeve is screwed on nice and snug (aka pretty dang tight). When brand new my blued STX liner sleeve unscrewed when I unscrewed the shroud. I put a good drop of loctite on the stainless steel threads and re tightened very securely. Also those having this issue should also verify there barrel set screws (within the dove-tail rail) are snugged up very nicely to insure the STX barrel is as rigid as it can be. Just a suggestion.
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The post above is exactly what I checked on mine after I initially put it together. There are lots of good posts here. We need a like button so we don't have to always post to show our approval LOL
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Now that's what I'm talkin' bout! Hard to miss that. :D
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My Dreamline Bullpup is a .22 cal so it doesn’t have as much length or weight on the (500mm) barrel muzzle end versus a .25 cal (600mm) barrel which may cause some droop. One thing that Dreamline owners may try is checking if the blued liner sleeve is screwed on nice and snug (aka pretty dang tight). When brand new my blued STX liner sleeve unscrewed when I unscrewed the shroud. I put a good drop of loctite on the stainless steel threads and re tightened very securely. Also those having this issue should also verify there barrel set screws (within the dove-tail rail) are snugged up very nicely to insure the STX barrel is as rigid as it can be. Just a suggestion.
Is it necessary to loosen the breech set screws to tighten the sleeve?
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My Dreamline Bullpup is a .22 cal so it doesn’t have as much length or weight on the (500mm) barrel muzzle end versus a .25 cal (600mm) barrel which may cause some droop. One thing that Dreamline owners may try is checking if the blued liner sleeve is screwed on nice and snug (aka pretty dang tight). When brand new my blued STX liner sleeve unscrewed when I unscrewed the shroud. I put a good drop of loctite on the stainless steel threads and re tightened very securely. Also those having this issue should also verify there barrel set screws (within the dove-tail rail) are snugged up very nicely to insure the STX barrel is as rigid as it can be. Just a suggestion.
Is it necessary to loosen the breech set screws to tighten the sleeve?
I’d remove the barrel to do this. Using two sets of pliers. One griping the stainless steel collar and the other the blued barrel sleeve. Remember to use something like thick cardboard or a similar item to protect the finishes. Don’t blame me if you get a scratch either! Lol!
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For all you inquiring minds who want to know ( ::) Paul ) I just got off the phone with Jeff at Trenier Outdoors the barrel kits are not interchangeable between the different models . The good news is the kit does come with the shroud AND I can use a 500mm .177 barrel on my Crown
Thanks Don, that’s kinda what I suspected. I guess the wait begins...
Also, for those wondering, the Hatsan semi-auto magazines will not work in the FX and vice versa. I still don’t know if the Flash Magazines will or not, but these won’t. Now, if a shim was fabricated to fill the gap under the magazine when it’s inserted, that may be a workaround, but I don’t have the tools or expertise to even attempt something like that!
Oh yeah, I could make that work. ;) Question is, what could I do to get a mag small enough to make a impact usable for a left hand shooter. I see that Cricket and ATC have done a good job of it. 8)
Knife
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I bought a pack of the small felt furniture glides and stuck one on top of the air bottle and the barrel shroud rests on that with no drop and no offset left or right so the shroud slides open and retracted wit repeatable accuracy
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Now that's using your Head Don! Seems we have a mind set to o rings by virtue of what we do with them. Or at least those willing to learn and work on their own guns.
Thinking outside the normal every day box at timed has huge benefits. ;)
Speaking of which, in a few minutes I am going to post something I have been using for a very long time, and I'm embarrassed that I never thought to suggest it to others.
Think I'll call it Miracle cure, or "Another Tool in the Box".
Mike
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Now that's using your Head Don! Seems we have a mind set to o rings by virtue of what we do with them. Or at least those willing to learn and work on their own guns.
Thinking outside the normal every day box at timed has huge benefits. ;)
Speaking of which, in a few minutes I am going to post something I have been using for a very long time, and I'm embarrassed that I never thought to suggest it to others.
Think I'll call it Miracle cure, or "Another Tool in the Box".
Mike
;) ;D Sometimes I find the box creates limits and thinking outside it provides unseen opportunities ;D
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I got my Dreamline back from FX USA today and have it sighted in already. I am using an O-ring until I get my barrel band and that is working fine. I was just told by FX that the bands are being made and should start arriving to this country in a couple months. I will post here when they get here.
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Has anyone seen any of the newer models of the Dreamline for sale anywhere. Many of the versions were to be out in April and May. Not having any luck finding any other than the three that were released. I have been holding out for the Tactical model. FX site says Release Dates: The Dreamline Tactical Bottle Version, April 2019, but not having any luck finding it for sale.
I even though maybe just get a Impact MK II which was to be released in Apr, but I only see pre-orders for them at sellers who list them.
Thanks Bill C!
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Now FX USA is saying something different. They now claim that the barrel bands aren't even being made yet and are just being researched. this leads me to think that FX will say about anything to keep people off their backs so they can concentrate on their Impacts and other models that are back ordered. They may never bring out a barrel band for all we know. They should have never released the Dreamline until all the bugs were sorted and this bug was a rather obvious one at that.
That said, I have tuned my Dreamline (for pellets at the moment) and it is extremely accurate. It is no trick to keep 10 shots with 34 gr MK II's inside 1" at 73 yards, and that is from a rest that is semi stable at best. The 25 Kings are close behind at just over 1". I am about to start playing with my slug liner and see what happens.
My Dreamline came tuned for the 25's and was only doing 860 instead of the advertised 905 fps. It does an easy 920 now with the 25's and 820 with the 34's, whereas before it was around 760 with the 34's. The Baracuda's do 860 now and are almost as accurate as the 25's.
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Ohio airguns makes a barrel band for the dreamline, I have one and it works well. It's a raw 3d print though so some finishing work is required if you want it to look decent.
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Thanks for the info. I just went there and checked them out. It is rough looking, but that can be remedied. I don't see a way to keep it from rotating on the air tube though, which would pull the barrel shroud down to one side or the other if it did rotate a small amount. Do you know if the friction fit is that tight over the air cylinder?
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Thanks for the info. I just went there and checked them out. It is rough looking, but that can be remedied. I don't see a way to keep it from rotating on the air tube though, which would pull the barrel shroud down to one side or the other if it did rotate a small amount. Do you know if the friction fit is that tight over the air cylinder?
it has set screws on the top and bottom.
beware, they are metal tipped set screws, and despite my caution of a padding later, still left marks on my air tube. I took it off for now. Very unhappy with the Ohio AG barrel band.
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It uses set screws as mentioned. I shoved rubber in the hole before putting in the set screw and did not crank down very hard on the screws and has not left any Mark's on the barrel or cylinder and has not budged. You'll have to figure out a way to properly align the barrel and cylinder, I used a plumb Bob and a some bubble levels.and got it lined up well.
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I'll wait on FX or see if JSAR will make one out of anodized aluminum with nylon tipped set screws. Thus far, I have been lucky and mine's holding strong.
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Chop a little piece of weed whacker line and drop in the hole before the set screw. Should keep everything scratch free.
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Chop a little piece of weed whacker line and drop in the hole before the set screw. Should keep everything scratch free.
BRILLIANT!
Thank you for that suggestion! Awesome solution!
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Chop a little piece of weed whacker line and drop in the hole before the set screw. Should keep everything scratch free.
BRILLIANT!
Thank you for that suggestion! Awesome solution!
That would have been a great idea, but I ordered a 5pack of nylon tipped set screws from Master McCarr this morning!
I really think only the tube needs the set screws - the ones on the shroud seem redundant.
If they fit, I'll have a couple extra I can drop in an envelope and send to someone if they need them for their Dreamline.
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I think I'll order one and some nylon tipped set screws. Anyone have the size screws I need to order?
What I have been using is working brilliantly, and to me anyway, doesn't look bad either, but I think I'll try one of these as who knows when FX will actually make the correct one.
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I think I'll order one and some nylon tipped set screws. Anyone have the size screws I need to order?
What I have been using is working brilliantly, and to me anyway, doesn't look bad either, but I think I'll try one of these as who knows when FX will actually make the correct one.
I ordered this one:
Alloy Steel Nylon-Tip Set Screw, Black Oxide, M6 x 1 mm Thread, 6 mm Long, packs of 5
We'll see how it works.
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Thank you very much!
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So I take it by all the talk about the barrel band and what FX said about it that there release dates for these other models are all fluff and there is no current sellers of their air rifles that should have been released by there web site. (my question I asked if anyone has see any for sale)
Bill C!
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So I take it by all the talk about the barrel band and what FX said about it that there release dates for these other models are all fluff and there is no current sellers of their air rifles that should have been released by there web site. (my question I asked if anyone has see any for sale)
Bill C!
Have you tried Trenier Outdoors? I received an email from them today saying they finally got some of the .25 Classics with the Synthetic stocks in. Maybe they got some others in as well.
I’m waiting on the barrel kits to be released. I want one in .22 and .30. Jeff at Trenier said FX was pretty backlogged getting the air rifles released and had no idea when we may see the barrel kits.
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So I take it by all the talk about the barrel band and what FX said about it that there release dates for these other models are all fluff and there is no current sellers of their air rifles that should have been released by there web site. (my question I asked if anyone has see any for sale)
Bill C!
Have you tried Trenier Outdoors? I received an email from them today saying they finally got some of the .25 Classics with the Synthetic stocks in. Maybe they got some others in as well.
I’m waiting on the barrel kits to be released. I want one in .22 and .30. Jeff at Trenier said FX was pretty backlogged getting the air rifles released and had no idea when we may see the barrel kits.
I was on their site, but did not call them! It's probably just the same old same old with FX promises!