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Title: values of airguns
Post by: tweedking on December 23, 2014, 03:53:21 AM
so this is very subjective and just my opinion: the value of an airgun is approx. = (blue book value) - (10% for being not new in box) - (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights) - (2% for anything not .177cal) +/- (2% for scope/peep/other sights) = (blue book value) - (up to 15-19%)

just my thoughts about what i will pay. (Crosman 13xx and 22xx, may be exceptions...but not immune)

correction: what you will part with $-wise is the perceived value. what an owner wants for their gun is not of any consequence if he can not get a buyer to pay the $$$$.

if you buy a new car for $50,000  and put $100,00 into parts and then try to sell it for $150,000, buyers will balk all day long about the 3X  MSRP junk-bucket that the greedy owner want to unload.

if you think your gun is worth 850 but the sales in the market show only sales under 300 you might not have a gun worth 850, like you think. more like 350, as the market dictates. you can hold on til someone gives you 850, but you will likely see inflation eat your profit (over 40 years), or you'll cave-into the lower price.

thanks,
rob
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Racer X on December 23, 2014, 08:25:30 AM
In 1992 I bought a Beeman P1 20th annavercery ait pistol. With the scope and bag. I remember it was expensive but of all the junk I have bought. It is the only thing I have that has held its value
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: stonykill on December 23, 2014, 09:28:12 AM
 IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: ezman604 on December 23, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

THAT'S the answer in a nutshell.
:)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on December 23, 2014, 09:49:48 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

THAT'S the answer in a nutshell.
:)
;) X2 After awhile in this sport most know the approximate "real" value of a particular adult AG and are willing to sell or purchase for that price or near it. a little back and forth haggling and both parties are satisfied. Then there are those that refuse to acknowledge the true worth of a particular rifle or pistol and will make a less than realistic offer in the hope that the seller is desperate or the buyer has no clue as to its particular value. At the end of the day it is we as the buyer or seller to negotiate the deal that works for us.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on December 23, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

THAT'S the answer in a nutshell.
:)

Recently I bought a tuned .22 HW97K & a tuned .25 MROD for $525 each, and was happy. I then decided I wanted to go mostly .177 for personal reasons. I traded the HW97K for a Santa Rosa R1 & the MROD for a tuned .177 HW97K and I couldn't be happier. Some may say I lost on the deal, some may say I made out like a bandit. So a lot of it has to do with what you want & what shows up at the time. If you are honest with the buyer/seller everything will work out. :)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Pappy on December 23, 2014, 10:08:07 AM
Actually, however, just my humble opinion, the only value an air gun may have, is what someone is willing to pay for it.  You may not want to part with it for less than (x) amount, but in reality, you only get what the buyer is willing to pay for it.  Yes, very subjective, and pricing is being based off a very small, niche, market.

Allan
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 23, 2014, 10:46:13 AM
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.

For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:
Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3

This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: zandrew on December 23, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Is there a blue book for airguns?

I keep all my boxes...
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: ezman604 on December 23, 2014, 11:03:03 AM
Is there a blue book for airguns?

I keep all my boxes...

Yep...there is.
http://bluebookofgunvalues.com/Airgun_Values/ (http://bluebookofgunvalues.com/Airgun_Values/)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: bbv13 on December 23, 2014, 11:05:05 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

That pretty much sums things up.

I've noticed the price of vintage guns like old Benjamin's, Sheridans and some Crosmans steadily climbing in the short time I've been collecting. I believe they were under valued possibly because of the recession or maybe the recession held back the prices for awhile?

Bryan
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: f4milytime on December 23, 2014, 12:53:47 PM
Like cars, you never really get back, what you put into it. Kind of a bummer actually, sometimes it's better to just keep it.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: north country gal on December 23, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
I really don't go by book values on any of the used guns we buy, air guns or otherwise. In this day and age of internet sales, the used gun market is highly volatile. Books are typically outdated by the time they are in print. I find books more valuable for the model listings they include, but even with that, I encounter a lot of mistakes.

As to air guns, specifically, in our area, air guns are a very minor market. When I do find one for sale at a local shop, it usually goes cheap because demand is so low. The other side of the coin, of course, is that you can hardly give an air gun away around here. Most of our local shooters are pretty ignorant about air guns.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on December 23, 2014, 02:40:28 PM
When something comes along that I like or want. I look at the price then look in my wallet. If the two match and the bills are paid I buy. If they don't match I ask the seller if he might take a little less. If he does, we have a deal. If not, the search continues, no hard feelings. Only we know what we are willing to pay and what we are willing to sell for. And alot of times it just boils down to what we can afford.
From time to time I run accross people looking to buy an airgun and they just want to plink or pest around the house. After finding out what they intend to use it for, I ask how much they want to spend. If I have something that I am willing to let go of, I sell it. If not, I try to refer them to somewhere they can get it at a good price. I enjoy this hobby/sport and I enjoy watching others enjoy it. If I can encourage that with a few bucks here and there, I find it very rewarding.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Pappy on December 29, 2014, 10:54:54 PM
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.

For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:
Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3

This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).

Wow, this perspective was interesting.  I don't have to put food on my table via an airgun, but I respect the person that may have to.  However, with that said, if my family getting fed, depended on my airgun, "dang" well be the best. most accurate available ... apparently if I miss, the family goes without a meal.  Not going to be frugal, when it comes to this gun.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 29, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.

For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:
Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3

This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).

Wow, this perspective was interesting.  I don't have to put food on my table via an airgun, but I respect the person that may have to.  However, with that said, if my family getting fed, depended on my airgun, "dang" well be the best. most accurate available ... apparently if I miss, the family goes without a meal.  Not going to be frugal, when it comes to this gun.
My $45 Daisy 880's do the job and provide more than we can eat.   My Daisy 22X that was a gift is also capable of providing more than we can eat.

It does not take a high dolor AG to do the job.   The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: lefteyeshot on December 29, 2014, 11:32:20 PM
The packing, boxing and going to the post office or ups. I'll just keep'em. I mailed an old B3 with a scope, a Limbsaver recoil pad and an AK sling to a friend in up sate N.Y. for nothing. Back in August I gave a Titan Gp, a B3 and a B1 to a young guy just starting into A/G's. Then I sold him one of my QB57 cheap. Couple of month's ago I took 9 guns to a fun shoot priced cheap(like $40 for a X20s). Only one guy said he wanted one but didn't have the money. When we were all getting ready to go home I gave it to him. Wife says I have to many then complains when I give'em away. Tried to get her to buy me a Diana 470th for Christmas. She can afford it. Got some after shave and a pair of dress slacks( She don't like my carpenter jeans when we go out. Jesus was a carpenter) But I got me a QB78 Deluxe modified to hpa. Snuck it in. Can't miss.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: stonykill on December 30, 2014, 08:20:31 AM
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.

For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:
Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3

This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).



It does not take a high dolor AG to do the job.   The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun.

   This sums it up right there. The person behind the gun. I put food on the table and pest with air guns most put their noses down to. My Gamo Big Cat .22 which is not tuned and has the stock trigger kills anything I aim it at, from woodchucks down. My lowly Daisy 880 outperforms all of my Crosmans and also kills whatever it is pointed at, from rabbits on down. The price of the AG does not make it more or less capable. The capability lies in the one holding said weapon.

   Well said David.








Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bryan Heimann on December 30, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

That pretty much sums things up.

I've noticed the price of vintage guns like old Benjamin's, Sheridans and some Crosmans steadily climbing in the short time I've been collecting. I believe they were under valued possibly because of the recession or maybe the recession held back the prices for awhile?

Bryan

I always felt that they were under valued as well.  If i had a vintage benji or 'dan that shot hard and was still accurate, in fairly decent shape, it would take more than a couple hundred bucks for me to part with it.  And even then, I'd think twice about letting it go... only if i absolutely needed the money for something a whole lot more important
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on December 30, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
 ;D While I agree that the shooter is a key factor in the end result of where the projectile ends up be it a well placed head shot on a pest or food for the dinner table. Where I disagree is in viewing another shooters choice as being a poor one we choose our rifles based on budget and and desire. I will not tell someone that my rifle is the better rifle than another persons because I simply do not know what motivates his choices. For me and where I am in my life it is about function and beauty. For utility and reasonable power I have a Marauder .25 synthetic stock. I also have a Daisy 880 that I shoot and plan On making a wood stock and fore stock for . Now I pose a question which is the better rifle?
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 30, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
;D While I agree that the shooter is a key factor in the end result of where the projectile ends up be it a well placed head shot on a pest or food for the dinner table. Where I disagree is in viewing another shooters choice as being a poor one we choose our rifles based on budget and and desire. I will not tell someone that my rifle is the better rifle than another persons because I simply do not know what motivates his choices. For me and where I am in my life it is about function and beauty. For utility and reasonable power I have a Marauder .25 synthetic stock. I also have a Daisy 880 that I shoot and plan On making a wood stock and fore stock for . Now I pose a question which is the better rifle?
I must agree with that 100%.    Tat is also the reason for the joke under my avatar (Springer = toy (Red Rider), MSP = Rifle), I am attempting to get people to realize that any kind of AirGun is good, it is just a matter of the needs and preference of the shooter.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 30, 2014, 10:44:43 AM
;D While I agree that the shooter is a key factor in the end result of where the projectile ends up be it a well placed head shot on a pest or food for the dinner table. Where I disagree is in viewing another shooters choice as being a poor one we choose our rifles based on budget and and desire. I will not tell someone that my rifle is the better rifle than another persons because I simply do not know what motivates his choices. For me and where I am in my life it is about function and beauty. For utility and reasonable power I have a Marauder .25 synthetic stock. I also have a Daisy 880 that I shoot and plan On making a wood stock and fore stock for . Now I pose a question which is the better rifle?
Which is a better rifle for your use?   I can not answer what a better rifle for you.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: bbv13 on December 30, 2014, 10:56:05 AM
Quote from Regular Guy .25
"I always felt that they were under valued as well.  If i had a vintage benji or 'dan that shot hard and was still accurate, in fairly decent shape, it would take more than a couple hundred bucks for me to part with it.  And even then, I'd think twice about letting it go... only if i absolutely needed the money for something a whole lot more important."

I don't know if you watch the prices of vintage air guns but a nice Sheridan is bringing more than $200 and Benjamin 317, 312 and 342's in decent shape are bringing about the same. Even the 310 and 340's are bringing close to $200. The first and second generation 397 and 392's are a little behind but still $150-$175. I think it's a really good time to be collecting because there are still some good deals to be had and the payoff is really nice. The bottom line is they are getting hard to find and demand is going up.

Bryan
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: stonykill on December 30, 2014, 11:04:20 AM
;D While I agree that the shooter is a key factor in the end result of where the projectile ends up be it a well placed head shot on a pest or food for the dinner table. Where I disagree is in viewing another shooters choice as being a poor one we choose our rifles based on budget and and desire. I will not tell someone that my rifle is the better rifle than another persons because I simply do not know what motivates his choices. For me and where I am in my life it is about function and beauty. For utility and reasonable power I have a Marauder .25 synthetic stock. I also have a Daisy 880 that I shoot and plan On making a wood stock and fore stock for . Now I pose a question which is the better rifle?

 I agree completely.

  Define better. Better value for the dollar? Better accuracy at 15 yards? Better is in the eye of the shooter.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: north country gal on December 30, 2014, 01:11:55 PM
I'll also add that the value of air guns to you is also a matter of how big a role air guns play in your shooting. For my husband and I, in terms of hours spent shooting and/or number of rounds fired, air guns play the major role in our shooting, hence we are willing to invest a lot of money in our air guns.

Not just the expensive stuff, though. I love vintage air guns and spend as much time with our old stuff as the new stuff. I can't walk into a gun shop or pawn shop without looking for an old Benjamin or Sheridan and will never pass one up at anything close to a reasonable price. If you spot one on the rack and see me coming, you better grab it, first. :)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on December 30, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
 ;) That is exactly the answers I expected and like beauty it is all in the mind and eyes of the beholder
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: stonykill on December 30, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
;) That is exactly the answers I expected and like beauty it is all in the mind and eyes of the beholder

   :D 
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: mobilehomer on December 30, 2014, 03:08:08 PM
There's an old saying - "Beware of the man with one gun! He probably knows how to use it!"
It really doesn't matter what you use. If you become one with your gun, you can hit your target every time. This means you know distances, power,
every thing your particular gun is capable of doing. It all boils down to - PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!! Nothing beats trigger time.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 30, 2014, 03:12:46 PM
There's an old saying - "Beware of the man with one gun! He probably knows how to use it!"
It really doesn't matter what you use. If you become one with your gun, you can hit your target every time. This means you know distances, power,
every thing your particular gun is capable of doing. It all boils down to - PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!! Nothing beats trigger time.
You forgot to mention PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, AND PRACTICE :) .
I agree very much.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: mobilehomer on December 30, 2014, 03:19:41 PM
Sorry, David - I left out one PRACTICE!!!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on December 30, 2014, 03:37:47 PM
Sorry, David - I left out one PRACTICE!!!
:) LOL
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: palonej on December 30, 2014, 04:09:09 PM
I think of mine as priceless. I get to shoot PBs about 3 times a year......shoot my air rifles at least 4 - 5 times a week in my yard......have about 140 yards.
Each session costs me $15 tops.
Stress relief and pure joy of shooting can't be quantified monetarily in my eyes.
Each one is totally wicked accurate....with lots and lots of PRACTICE!!
Priceless!


Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: mobilehomer on December 30, 2014, 05:57:01 PM
Joe, you left out 3 PRACTICES!!!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: palonej on December 30, 2014, 06:06:16 PM
I thought I had it covered with lots and lots Ken!!!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: mobilehomer on December 30, 2014, 08:44:23 PM
Of all the things that I have ever needed to practice, sports, music, whatever, the absolute most fun is shooting. Trigger time is always fun!!
So lots and lots of PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, then PRACTICE some more!!!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Pappy on January 02, 2015, 10:47:34 AM
My point may have been misunderstood, previously .... I am not a hunter, nor does my food depend on hunting, but what I was trying to say is that whatever you do, try to buy the "best" of whatever you must depend on.  If hunting is critical, buy the best rifle for the job, a dependable gun, consistent, etc .... whatever that would be.  If you were a mountain climber, wouldn't you buy the best rope, and other equipment available?  Your life depends on it.
There is such a diverse crowd of members on this site, that it is difficult to give an "opinion" without hurting someone's feelings, or being perceived as pretentious.  If someone wants to get into serious HFT competition, and asks what the best rifle might be for that under $300.00, how do you answer that diplomatically?  A decent scope could easily cost that, now you have to put a rifle under it.  About 2 years ago, I got back into this hobby.  My brother-in-law, with a limited airgun budget, bought an 880.  Happy as a pig in mud, we shot it, and had fun plinking.  I was now re-hooked, but was a little more serious ... became interested in tighter groups, bought a Gamo.  Then I laughed as I put a UTG scope on it that cost $50.00 less than the rifle.   ;D  I loved that Gamo ... but ... wanted even tighter and more consistent groups, and moved on.  I sold the Gamo to my brother-in-law, at less than half the value, and wow, is he a happy camper.  This is way more gun than he ever expected to have, and I know he will stick with it.  That is just fine.
  I laughed at the amount of money spent on this hobby, less than 2 years later I have thousands in this, one gun, and a slew of accessories ... thank you very much GTA!   ;D ;D One last note, then I'll stop the editorial.  To make another point, back in the RC car racing days, serious racers had the best cars & radios etc., limited income families raced beside the serious racers with "out of the box" cars (Radio Shack etc.).  That was ok with us, but they NEVER were competitive, and the kids became discouraged. We started a separate "class" or division for them, and now the winners of that class were getting cool trophies, and the pride could be seen the eyes of the beginners.  We break out springers and PCP's, maybe break it further down and add more divisions for competitions.  This is all just my humble opinions.

Pappy
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on January 02, 2015, 11:22:10 AM
The value of an air gun is not in dollars and cents, but the joy it brings to you. JMHO
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 02, 2015, 11:27:18 AM
 ;D Pappy I couldn't agree more . I still have a '69 Dodge Dart Swinger 340 with ram air hood and a Holly 850 Double pumper carb and probably over $40,000 between engine tranny and all the rest . When my son was into R/C cars we built a Porch 959 all wheel  drive  racer 4 wheel independent suspension and several hundred invested in after market parts to make it better needless to say for a while on the small track the kids had built in a vacant lot for a short while he ruled until the other dads got involved there were 8 father and son teams dads financed and wrenched and the kids drove and had a ball lots of fun and healthy competition. As you said spend what you can and get the best you can afford there are less disappointments that way.
I started slow with the adult AG's 20 months ago and have almost completed my AG collection . It started with a gifted Daisy 880 then a Gamo Whisper .177  then Diana 460 and a TX200 .22

PS Jesse I couldn't agree more mine help me to stay somewhat sane in a crazy world ;) ;D
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on January 02, 2015, 11:49:49 AM
My point may have been misunderstood, previously .... I am not a hunter, nor does my food depend on hunting, but what I was trying to say is that whatever you do, try to buy the "best" of whatever you must depend on.  If hunting is critical, buy the best rifle for the job, a dependable gun, consistent, etc .... whatever that would be.  If you were a mountain climber, wouldn't you buy the best rope, and other equipment available?  Your life depends on it.
There is such a diverse crowd of members on this site, that it is difficult to give an "opinion" without hurting someone's feelings, or being perceived as pretentious.  If someone wants to get into serious HFT competition, and asks what the best rifle might be for that under $300.00, how do you answer that diplomatically?  A decent scope could easily cost that, now you have to put a rifle under it.  About 2 years ago, I got back into this hobby.  My brother-in-law, with a limited airgun budget, bought an 880.  Happy as a pig in mud, we shot it, and had fun plinking.  I was now re-hooked, but was a little more serious ... became interested in tighter groups, bought a Gamo.  Then I laughed as I put a UTG scope on it that cost $50.00 less than the rifle.   ;D  I loved that Gamo ... but ... wanted even tighter and more consistent groups, and moved on.  I sold the Gamo to my brother-in-law, at less than half the value, and wow, is he a happy camper.  This is way more gun than he ever expected to have, and I know he will stick with it.  That is just fine.
  I laughed at the amount of money spent on this hobby, less than 2 years later I have thousands in this, one gun, and a slew of accessories ... thank you very much GTA!   ;D ;D One last note, then I'll stop the editorial.  To make another point, back in the RC car racing days, serious racers had the best cars & radios etc., limited income families raced beside the serious racers with "out of the box" cars (Radio Shack etc.).  That was ok with us, but they NEVER were competitive, and the kids became discouraged. We started a separate "class" or division for them, and now the winners of that class were getting cool trophies, and the pride could be seen the eyes of the beginners.  We break out springers and PCP's, maybe break it further down and add more divisions for competitions.  This is all just my humble opinions.

Pappy
I agree with all of your points (except for the gamo giving tighter groups than a well tuned Daisy 880).

For what I rely on I go with what is most reliable, and consistent in the conditions that I use it.  That happens to be MSP AirRifles that are hand tuned by me.

And I would pit my Daisy 22X or Crosman 2289 against any springer or PCP in competition, for those competitions that will allow it.  because I know that these two are at least as precise as 99% of the high end PCP's out to about 80 yards (after that the shot grouping widens fast with mine).

Every one has there preference, and every one has there reasoning.    It is difficult to say what would be the best for a given person with out a lot of information to go on.

For me: I need something light weight to carry that does not need any extras (just the gun and ammo), is 100% reliable, produces good consistent accuracy with me shooting it 100% of the time, and if everything on earth happens to go wrong I can work on the gun with very minimal tools.     The only thing that meets my requirements is the MSP (springers are out do to the need of a way to compress the spring/ gas piston).   Though that is me.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 02, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
 ;D If it drops in the pot my biggest concern will be to get me and mine to a safe place, tools and the rest are already covered . Besides if it gets that bad I'll let the youngsters fight over whats left. JMO
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: gapi on January 02, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
I hear and agree with most all of the above.
What you feel and what you get is a dice roll, you just have to see if it will come, and what you will settle for.

What about guns tuned by reputable tuners like Paul Watts and such? From what I have seen in my very short time involved in the Air Gun social media world, they hold if not increase?
If you see them. It looks like if a person gets a well tuned gun he covets it pretty close in all but hard times.
   
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on January 02, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
I hear and agree with most all of the above.
What you feel and what you get is a dice roll, you just have to see if it will come, and what you will settle for.

What about guns tuned by reputable tuners like Paul Watts and such? From what I have seen in my very short time involved in the Air Gun social media world, they hold if not increase?
If you see them. It looks like if a person gets a well tuned gun he covets it pretty close in all but hard times.
   

Paul Watts rebuilt a CZ 631 for me and did a great job, I just took possession of a Gene tuned HW97K that is the best spring piston rifle I ever shot.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Pappy on January 02, 2015, 09:09:31 PM
I hear and agree with most all of the above.
What you feel and what you get is a dice roll, you just have to see if it will come, and what you will settle for.

What about guns tuned by reputable tuners like Paul Watts and such? From what I have seen in my very short time involved in the Air Gun social media world, they hold if not increase?
If you see them. It looks like if a person gets a well tuned gun he covets it pretty close in all but hard times.
   

Paul Watts rebuilt a CZ 631 for me and did a great job, I just took possession of a Gene tuned HW97K that is the best spring piston rifle I ever shot.

David, how much would you charge for an 880 tune?
Jesse, I challenge you, out to 80 yards .... my David tuned 880 vs your Gene tuned HW97K.  For pinks slips!

Pappy
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on January 02, 2015, 09:17:31 PM
I hear and agree with most all of the above.
What you feel and what you get is a dice roll, you just have to see if it will come, and what you will settle for.

What about guns tuned by reputable tuners like Paul Watts and such? From what I have seen in my very short time involved in the Air Gun social media world, they hold if not increase?
If you see them. It looks like if a person gets a well tuned gun he covets it pretty close in all but hard times.
   

Paul Watts rebuilt a CZ 631 for me and did a great job, I just took possession of a Gene tuned HW97K that is the best spring piston rifle I ever shot.

David, how much would you charge for an 880 tune?
Jesse, I challenge you, out to 80 yards .... my David tuned 880 vs your Gene tuned HW97K.  For pinks slips!

Pappy
Let me PM you on that.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on January 02, 2015, 09:28:54 PM
I hear and agree with most all of the above.
What you feel and what you get is a dice roll, you just have to see if it will come, and what you will settle for.

What about guns tuned by reputable tuners like Paul Watts and such? From what I have seen in my very short time involved in the Air Gun social media world, they hold if not increase?
If you see them. It looks like if a person gets a well tuned gun he covets it pretty close in all but hard times.
   

Paul Watts rebuilt a CZ 631 for me and did a great job, I just took possession of a Gene tuned HW97K that is the best spring piston rifle I ever shot.

David, how much would you charge for an 880 tune?
Jesse, I challenge you, out to 80 yards .... my David tuned 880 vs your Gene tuned HW97K.  For pinks slips!

Pappy

You need to challenge Joe, he is a better shot than me. :)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Rocker1 on January 02, 2015, 09:44:13 PM
A 880 for a HW97  Kinda one sided price wise not a fair bet at all hahahaha!!!!  David
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on January 02, 2015, 10:08:37 PM
A 880 for a HW97  Kinda one sided price wise not a fair bet at all hahahaha!!!!  David

I agree, if it were me betting I would not accept the HW97 after I won.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on January 02, 2015, 10:13:17 PM
A 880 for a HW97  Kinda one sided price wise not a fair bet at all hahahaha!!!!  David

If I lost the only pink slip I would get would be divorce papers with plenty of child support. LOL
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DavidS on January 02, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
A 880 for a HW97  Kinda one sided price wise not a fair bet at all hahahaha!!!!  David

If I lost the only pink slip I would get would be divorce papers with plenty of child support. LOL
:):)   I did not you had a Daisy 880 that is well tuned to shoot against someones HW97.  :):)
LOL
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Paul68 on January 04, 2015, 02:29:29 AM
Quote from Regular Guy .25
"I always felt that they were under valued as well.  If i had a vintage benji or 'dan that shot hard and was still accurate, in fairly decent shape, it would take more than a couple hundred bucks for me to part with it.  And even then, I'd think twice about letting it go... only if i absolutely needed the money for something a whole lot more important."

I don't know if you watch the prices of vintage air guns but a nice Sheridan is bringing more than $200 and Benjamin 317, 312 and 342's in decent shape are bringing about the same. Even the 310 and 340's are bringing close to $200. The first and second generation 397 and 392's are a little behind but still $150-$175. I think it's a really good time to be collecting because there are still some good deals to be had and the payoff is really nice. The bottom line is they are getting hard to find and demand is going up.

Bryan

I sold the pressure holding and shooting 1966 SS below for 90$. I sold another for under $100. Also sold several blue streaks, a C9, all for well under $100 each. I've sold a lot of guns, many vintage. I GAVE away a 50's "Benjamin Franklin" Sheridan at the GTA funshoot to be given away as a door prize.

For me, what I will sell one for depends on what I got it for, what it is, its condition, and who I am selling it too. GTA members and AG fans will usually get a better deal from me. Everyday Joe's who just want to buy one to "play" with, I usually charge my normal price, mainly because I almost never see them again, and the fact that I even sold them a rifle means it probably wasn't anything I was worried about giving a proper home to. I wont even consider selling a desirable or historically valued vintage rifle to a non AG nut.

Basically, the value in these guns for me comes down to what I paid for it, to what it brings back to me in quality of life. If it feels right to hook someone up with a nice vintage rifle they've been dying to get their hands on, and I know it'll be appreciated and kept alive for another 30 years as a result, selling it cheap just isn't as big a deal as knowing I made someone's day.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on January 04, 2015, 11:51:32 AM
Quote from Regular Guy .25
"I always felt that they were under valued as well.  If i had a vintage benji or 'dan that shot hard and was still accurate, in fairly decent shape, it would take more than a couple hundred bucks for me to part with it.  And even then, I'd think twice about letting it go... only if i absolutely needed the money for something a whole lot more important."

I don't know if you watch the prices of vintage air guns but a nice Sheridan is bringing more than $200 and Benjamin 317, 312 and 342's in decent shape are bringing about the same. Even the 310 and 340's are bringing close to $200. The first and second generation 397 and 392's are a little behind but still $150-$175. I think it's a really good time to be collecting because there are still some good deals to be had and the payoff is really nice. The bottom line is they are getting hard to find and demand is going up.

Bryan

I sold the pressure holding and shooting 1966 SS below for 90$. I sold another for under $100. Also sold several blue streaks, a C9, all for well under $100 each. I've sold a lot of guns, many vintage. I GAVE away a 50's "Benjamin Franklin" Sheridan at the GTA funshoot to be given away as a door prize.

For me, what I will sell one for depends on what I got it for, what it is, its condition, and who I am selling it too. GTA members and AG fans will usually get a better deal from me. Everyday Joe's who just want to buy one to "play" with, I usually charge my normal price, mainly because I almost never see them again, and the fact that I even sold them a rifle means it probably wasn't anything I was worried about giving a proper home to. I wont even consider selling a desirable or historically valued vintage rifle to a non AG nut.

Basically, the value in these guns for me comes down to what I paid for it, to what it brings back to me in quality of life. If it feels right to hook someone up with a nice vintage rifle they've been dying to get their hands on, and I know it'll be appreciated and kept alive for another 30 years as a result, selling it cheap just isn't as big a deal as knowing I made someone's day.
Well... the next time you feel like making someone's day............    yeah, you know...lol
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: bbv13 on January 04, 2015, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from Regular Guy .25
"I always felt that they were under valued as well.  If i had a vintage benji or 'dan that shot hard and was still accurate, in fairly decent shape, it would take more than a couple hundred bucks for me to part with it.  And even then, I'd think twice about letting it go... only if i absolutely needed the money for something a whole lot more important."

I don't know if you watch the prices of vintage air guns but a nice Sheridan is bringing more than $200 and Benjamin 317, 312 and 342's in decent shape are bringing about the same. Even the 310 and 340's are bringing close to $200. The first and second generation 397 and 392's are a little behind but still $150-$175. I think it's a really good time to be collecting because there are still some good deals to be had and the payoff is really nice. The bottom line is they are getting hard to find and demand is going up.

Bryan

I sold the pressure holding and shooting 1966 SS below for 90$. I sold another for under $100. Also sold several blue streaks, a C9, all for well under $100 each. I've sold a lot of guns, many vintage. I GAVE away a 50's "Benjamin Franklin" Sheridan at the GTA funshoot to be given away as a door prize.

For me, what I will sell one for depends on what I got it for, what it is, its condition, and who I am selling it too. GTA members and AG fans will usually get a better deal from me. Everyday Joe's who just want to buy one to "play" with, I usually charge my normal price, mainly because I almost never see them again, and the fact that I even sold them a rifle means it probably wasn't anything I was worried about giving a proper home to. I wont even consider selling a desirable or historically valued vintage rifle to a non AG nut.

Basically, the value in these guns for me comes down to what I paid for it, to what it brings back to me in quality of life. If it feels right to hook someone up with a nice vintage rifle they've been dying to get their hands on, and I know it'll be appreciated and kept alive for another 30 years as a result, selling it cheap just isn't as big a deal as knowing I made someone's day.
Well... the next time you feel like making someone's day............    yeah, you know...lol

Yeah, me too ;D

Bryan
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Booger on January 04, 2015, 01:08:10 PM
Sometimes the Value of a Airgun is not the same as the money you have in an air gun. I have a TX200MK3 .22 that I have $900 in not including glass, and I have a R1 & HW97K that I do not have near the dollars in. While all 3 are special and very good there is something very special about the R1 & HW97K that I can not put my finger on. So the value of a gun goes beyond dollars and cents. When you have picked up that special gun, you will know. :)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on January 04, 2015, 03:09:07 PM
I found a Vigilante at the pawn shop for $10. It leaked the C02 out slowly as soon as you put it in. I bought the seal kit from Crosman for $15 and repaired it and it works great. I have 5 mags for it. Would I go to Walmart and buy one for $59?.... no    Would I take $59 for this one?... no   I don't need this one but, I don't need $59 either so it can just sit on the table over there and once in a while I'll pick it up and shoot it for giggles and lay it back down. Now on the other hand, if someone came along with an older wood and metal pumper gun that needed a little love, would I trade it?... ubetcha  ;)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: K.O. on January 04, 2015, 05:27:33 PM
My next door Neighbor picked up a air rifle to give to me for $25 it needed a $2.50 reseal and a pin made to hold the barrel in the breech...

Turned out to be a U.S. Shooting Team Daisy 953 from Jan 1985(The first month they sold them)and it has a low serial #.  I have no idea what it is worth but to me it is priceless and will go to my youngest daughter. Even if it was not going to her I would not sell it, it would have to be a gift to the right person...

It has been one of those bonding things between Her and I... just can not put a price on that.

Title: Re: values of airguns resale left-handed stock
Post by: stickman on February 22, 2015, 02:34:50 PM
Left hand stocks-  I realize bought new, a left-handed stock typically costs more than the right-handed one.  But on the resale market does the left-hander  increase the price?
Title: Re: values of airguns resale left-handed stock
Post by: Booger on February 22, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
Left hand stocks-  I realize bought new, a left-handed stock typically costs more than the right-handed one.  But on the resale market does the left-hander  increase the price?

Depends if the buyer is left handed or right handed. I am right handed so I would want to pay less. :)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: hoffy43 on May 17, 2015, 02:04:41 PM
Thought id put my humble 2.5 cents in this fine thread. I really enjoy shooting my air guns. Whether its targets, hunting, pest control or just plinking, I really enjoy it. I can get so busy for months at a time, but I keep coming back to air gunning. I can come home from work, grab a cup of Joe and one of my girls and wind down plinking away right from my front porch. I have also enjoyed tinkering with them. One of my girls is a .177 Crosman 2100 that I’ve had for many years. A few years back while going through a divorce I found great comfort in giving her a complete makeover. I gave her new internals, sanded smooth the aluminum receiver and sent it off to Ed Ehrisman (AKA shadow) for a custom paint job. I don’t see myself ever getting rid of her. In fact it would take a stupid amount of cash for me to part with her. I am currently tuning my HW95 Luxus. She’s been sitting around with a broken spring for 2 years now. But as I stated earlier, air gunning is one thing I always come back too.  I definitely get the personal need verses personal pleasure thing, it’s the story of my life right now.  Hey some people smoke. Some people drink. Some people do both and often can’t afford it. I believe the value of anything is a personal and individual matter to each of us. We all put our eggs in one basket or another. For me, air gunning is one of those special eggs that I keep in one of my special baskets. What’s in your basket?
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bryan Heimann on May 17, 2015, 02:38:03 PM
that's a super sweet 2100
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: hoffy43 on May 17, 2015, 02:56:11 PM
Tanks
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: johnnail on May 18, 2015, 08:45:33 AM
I suppose rarity is a factor. I have a .25 Beeman Cromagnum 4 new in the box. I would not take less than $1200 for it. I have no idea what the book value is
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Hoebie on June 18, 2015, 09:23:28 AM
Will be selling my son's air pistol in the near future. This info very handy, thanks.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: ToddMn on November 10, 2015, 07:23:33 PM
I know no one has posted on this thread in a while but maybe some of you guys might have a good idea of the value of 2 Crosman 2200 Magnums I am thinking of parting ways with or trading for a nice springer since I have found a new love of springers.

One is a 1981 Crosman 2200 Magnum. Chrome/Nickel with the dark brown stock. I shoots very well and has the original box and paperwork as well. It is in excellent condition. It's always been kept in a humidity controlled safe since new. Mike at Flying Dragons saw it and said it was definitely collector quality.

The 2nd one is a late 80's of early 90's 2200 Magnum. It is in just as good of condition as the 81'. It's not as powerful as the 81, though I heard the early ones had more zip then they detuned them. This one also has the original box and was kept in a safe as well.

I was thinking of putting them on the local Craigslist to see what happens at 100 for the 81' and 60 for the late 80's/early 90's one.

What does anyone hear think of that. I just don't want to shortchange ask too little. There's a Chrome/nickel 2200 on Gunbroker and the guy wants 200, that sounds high does't it?

Thanks guys! Shoot straight!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Pappy on November 10, 2015, 11:51:03 PM
Look in the Crosman / Benjamin Gate, seems to be a lot of people looking for your rifle at one time?

Pappy
Title: Stonykill nailed it
Post by: Joe Brancato on November 11, 2015, 09:34:49 AM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

The gentleman nailed it. I once sold a few of my personal Theoben rifles to a person in another country for an unbelievable amount of money.  Sure, there are general rough rules, but anything, be it a house, diamond, airgun, is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.  No more, no less.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: gapi on November 13, 2015, 01:24:11 AM
If I put up my BAM B26 .22 & HW95 .177 (both tuned) for what I believe they are worth no one would even reply.
I know how they shoot however and that's the thing.

If they are in the market and came over to shoot them as they are after being broken in, with hours and thousands of rounds finding the ideal pellet brand and weight -
 - I'm sure they would at least open negotiations.

All the hard work is done and these rifles amaze me every time I shoot them. Not for sale BTW.  ;)     
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on November 13, 2015, 07:16:53 AM
If I put up my BAM B26 .22 & HW95 .177 (both tuned) for what I believe they are worth no one would even reply.
I know how they shoot however and that's the thing.

If they are in the market and came over to shoot them as they are after being broken in, with hours and thousands of rounds finding the ideal pellet brand and weight -
 - I'm sure they would at least open negotiations.

All the hard work is done and these rifles amaze me every time I shoot them. Not for sale BTW.  ;)     
It has been my experience that recently most people shopping for used AG's are bargain hunting and rather than become insulted by low ball offers I would rather keep them for my own use or give them as gifts to friends and family
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: dwalk on November 13, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
like many other things...in "Original" condition, price will remain relatively stable, increase, or decrease, in accordance with demand for it.

by "Modifying" ANY airgun, car, boat, etc...you narrow the field of those wishing to purchase, to those who are looking for the object that has been modified SPECIFICALLY to their wants.

for example: you want a Beeman RX, but... you want it ONLY in a thumbhole stock with a custom shrouded barrel in 22 caliber.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Dwarakesh Babu on December 17, 2015, 03:16:10 AM
I was casually reading through the new NRA Guide to Firearms Assembly for Rifles and Pistols last Sunday when something caught my eye. There’s a page on the assembly/disassembly of the Winchester model 74 .22 semiautomatic rimfire rifle, which I find to be a very strange firearm. It doesn’t look like any other Winchester, and it doesn’t resemble any other rifle that I’m familiar with.

I read the brief information about the model 74 because there’s one for sale at one of my favorite gun stores. Unfortunately, that one has had about six inches of barrel whacked off, which ruins it as far as I am concerned. But seeing it there last March and again this past Friday brought it to my attention.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: jockotobling on January 07, 2016, 12:48:30 AM
Sometimes the Blue Book is not in touch with reality with regards to values.  I like to check various sources of recently sold guns to try to come up with a reasonable value.  I also have to figure out how much I want that particular gun, or how much it is worth to me if I am selling it. 
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Clint KY on January 23, 2016, 09:36:14 AM
Normally when I want to check the value of something I look at the Used For Sale listings. However this time when I wanted to find the value of a Stoeger X20 (not the S model) I could find none listed. In fact I find very few airguns listed at all. So I am still wondering if the gun offered me (in like new condition) is worth the $100 price.  It would be my first "adult" airgun, which I plan to use for squirrels mostly. I let my subscription to the Blue Book of Gun Values expire so I can not use that resource. 

So would anyone venture a guess on the gun's value?
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: smfyr241 on February 23, 2016, 01:37:39 AM
Normally when I want to check the value of something I look at the Used For Sale listings. However this time when I wanted to find the value of a Stoeger X20 (not the S model) I could find none listed. In fact I find very few airguns listed at all. So I am still wondering if the gun offered me (in like new condition) is worth the $100 price.  It would be my first "adult" airgun, which I plan to use for squirrels mostly. I let my subscription to the Blue Book of Gun Values expire so I can not use that resource. 

So would anyone venture a guess on the gun's value?

Blue book says $100 for 80% ... If it is 95% like new it's worth $145
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: pontiacfieroguy on May 13, 2016, 01:46:42 AM
The packing, boxing and going to the post office or ups. I'll just keep'em. I mailed an old B3 with a scope, a Limbsaver recoil pad and an AK sling to a friend in up sate N.Y. for nothing. Back in August I gave a Titan Gp, a B3 and a B1 to a young guy just starting into A/G's. Then I sold him one of my QB57 cheap. Couple of month's ago I took 9 guns to a fun shoot priced cheap(like $40 for a X20s). Only one guy said he wanted one but didn't have the money. When we were all getting ready to go home I gave it to him. Wife says I have to many then complains when I give'em away. Tried to get her to buy me a Diana 470th for Christmas. She can afford it. Got some after shave and a pair of dress slacks( She don't like my carpenter jeans when we go out. Jesus was a carpenter) But I got me a QB78 Deluxe modified to hpa. Snuck it in. Can't miss.
shoot if you're in the market to give stuff away I'll take it.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: cast on May 13, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
I think you need to go to an airgun show you wont believe the low prices don't think you will sell and get your money back either better for buyers than sellers.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: breakinggun on July 29, 2016, 12:14:59 PM
You make good points with this. Makes sense
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: unionrdr on August 27, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
How well a given gun shoots in your hands is foremost in my mind. Oh sure, it should look good to me too. But that statement can cover a lot of ground. It can be a handsome antique, that appeals to the old-timer aspect of my mind. Or it can be that newer custom style with Cochise thumbhole & all that stuff I still remember John Jobson from Sports Afield using way back in the day that only now can I afford.
And speaking of the old days, how many think it's be cool to have these new-era magnum airguns made to look like Spencer carbines, rolling block Remington's, Sharps & the like? I think that'd be the double-whammy of " old school" & new era technology for what we're spending on these things. Besides the instant recognition they'd get from anyone that likes any kind of guns at all, including us smoke poll enthusiasts.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: OP on August 27, 2016, 05:24:58 PM
The value of all my guns are as heirlooms for my sons and their children.  That makes them priceless.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: unionrdr on August 29, 2016, 06:22:11 AM
They say beware a man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it! The world also seems to learn the hard way...BEWARE a hungry German! They think I'm a bloody loony for having an arsenal & lots of ammo. I just liked hunting & shooting...sometimes on a more personal, patriotic level with those of less than truly American ideals, but I digress...;)
Value is like beauty aesthetically...it's all Metallica (Eye of the Beholder). To some, like me, it has to mean something historically, whether that be personal or public. Where form versus function meets at that place we so often times find ourselves, rooted to the spot, drooling on our shoes with hunger in our eyes for that latest specimen that is the newest object of our most latent desires. Then, what's it worth to ya now, laddy? Exactly. If it's in good shape & able to shoot reasonably well, buy it. you know you'll never leave it,...as is. nope. No way. You know darn well you'll eventually either fully restore it or turn it into some form of, as I used to say with my guitars, a, " Bastardized Frankenstein". It's in our blood, we can't 'elp it. nor would we want to, I'm sure.
I worked my way up to being a touring pro slot racer, with a 3-time world champion as a tire sponsor. I still consider Jan Limpach a good friend & a great guy. He helped us when we needed it & taught us a lot about what got him where he was. So we are with this sport. Keep passing it on so others are better informed about their desires versus true worth in terms of that ever-changing form versus function divided by desire minus reality. This sermon is ended...go in peace.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: anti-squirrel on August 31, 2016, 09:50:38 AM
The value of an airgun is an intangible quantity once you get past the dollar-value.  My favorite rifle, bar none, was my old 880 from my childhood.  It was stepped on and bent the barrel and shroud, an inch past the pump so I took a hacksaw and turned it into a pump-up shorty, then my father helped me carve out a pistol-grip for it.  We used electrical tap to center the barrel in the shroud and he taught me that the crown of the brass barrel was key to accuracy.  I wish I still had that thing. - it was priceless thanks to the experiences I had with it.

The Silver Streak that did not survive my first divorce was another treasured one.  Lots of pigeons with that gun, it made me a lot of money when I was doing bird abatement professionally, helped fund my mountain bike addiction at that time and looked good doing it.

What somebody will pay and what you might accept don't always align.  I've been casually looking for a Beeman C-1 for 2 decades, but the few times I've had the cheddar I couldn't find any- probably because I didn't know where to look. 

And then you have my B3... a cheap Chinese underlever with poor fit and rough finish.  An orange-ish fugly stock roughly shaped out of lumber rejected from pallet-making.  Yep, refinished it and found it was more wood-patch than wood.  But "dang" did it shoot.  dime-size groups using CPHP, CP domes, H&N everything, JSB anything... everything I fed it shot well.  Knowing what I do about airguns, I got a rare example with a really good barrel.  Sure, I touched up the crown a tad, but she always shot well.  Still, a dirt-cheap gun that I didn't really think was worth jack-squat.   Lo and behold, a buddy going through a rough patch had to sell his prize AR-15 to make rent, so I bequeathed the B3 to him so he could still do some trigger-time.  Since then, he's told me that $50 underlever is priceless. 

So yeah... even a cheap gun to you may be a valued treasure to somebody else. 
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bryan Heimann on August 31, 2016, 09:13:31 PM
Also take into consideration that you may get a "good one".  Sometimes you don't knkw what that means until you already got a good example of a cheap gun, and let it go cheap, then go back to it and the next example is not that great. 
Whenever you get your hands on a cheap gun that is very accurate, hang on to it.  No one will ever give you what it's really worth, because the "same gun" can be had so cheaply.  Nevermind yours is a good one.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: chumpss on December 16, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
good info thanks!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Rusticbob on January 10, 2017, 09:09:11 PM
My old man once told me that " The value of anything is what someone else is willing to pay for it" True then, true now!

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: AirGhN_Ike on March 03, 2017, 10:25:47 AM
I look at it as a labor of love. Kind of like a car or a truck. You get a rifle or pistol. You shoot it, mod it and completely customize it to fit you and your needs. You know what it was like before what you done to it and what it's like now. You put all this time effort and materials into it. But not everyone sees that before and after and how special it is. Some people see it and think I can get this other rifle that has the same specs and it's brand new 4 the same price or better. So just like with vehicles you may not get rewarded for your time and effort. But does that stop me from customizing my next rifle and making it my own? Absolutely not! I've only been shooting modern-day adult air rifles for a little over a year now. Since graduating to pcps I've got rid of a few break barrels that I did some work on. I'm no gunsmith but in the short amount of time I have picked up on a lot. When I sold them I definitely didn't see a return on the improvements. But I see it as they would have just been sitting around not being enjoyed. I would much rather know someone else is shooting them and taking care of them. Then knowing they're just sitting in my gun safe. I like almost all humans always want more. So anything I do I try improve and take pride in my work. Even though we might not get rewarded we still take pride in our work and always improve. Anyway just my thoughts
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bobbed06 on March 14, 2017, 07:28:50 PM
I have 2 Crosman Nitro venom Dusk 177 rifles, one is new in sealed box, the other I removed from the box, gave the scope away, and installed the brass barrel hinge washers on it, and did the traxxas trigger bearing mod on it. Now I have decided I want to dedicate my time to rimfire. I was gonna list em on ebay, but they dont allow that. Any thoughts on what these 2 would sell for would be appreciated.

I have been a lurker here for a while, I just never posted much, just observed. I may not have enough posts to receive any messages yet.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on March 15, 2017, 12:06:00 AM
Go greet a couple newcomers or just post a couple more times and you qualify to list them in the classifieds (if I'm not mistake). You will want to read the rules of the classified gate and follow them. If the price is right you shouldn't have a problem moving them. I would do a little Google searching to get an idea of selling value.
 Sorry to see you leaving the AG scene.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Frank on March 15, 2017, 01:02:28 AM
BBAG 11th edition lists it at 20% $230 to 100% $1150. Other info, made in England 2001-2004. Last MSR was $1355.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: RandyC on March 23, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
I'm in Canada, and I've seen used guns selling for more than new lots of times. I find lots of sellers don't bother to check current pricing, just go on what they paid originally.

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Cathartes on March 23, 2017, 12:56:13 PM
so this is very subjective and just my opinion: the value of an airgun is approx. = (blue book value) - (10% for being not new in box) - (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights) - (2% for anything not .177cal) +/- (2% for scope/peep/other sights) = (blue book value) - (up to 15-19%)

I mostly agree for an across the board rule, although there is definitely some wiggle room on the caliber rule. I think the power capability dictates a lot what the preferred caliber for the given gun may be. Something like this:

<18 FPE - .177 preferred
18-40 FPE - .22 preferred
40-100 FPE - .25 preferred
>100 FPE - >.25 preferred

Adjustable power levels throw a monkey wrench in the works, but for example the Sumatra 2500, a gun I've been keeping an eye on in the classifieds, seems to be most popular and at the same time highest value in .22. Since it strikes a good power/shot count balance when adjusted for the .22 range above, it is most popular in that caliber even though it is capable of more FPE.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: DIY_guy on March 27, 2017, 11:56:03 AM
Since I have more springers than I need and and Im now into PCP airguns, I want to list this new (in the box and never removed) Remington XP .177 springer. Its got a checkered wood stock and 3-9 scope. I looked to Ebay to see what they are going for but none are currently listed. I can only find the synth stock versions listed.

What would be a proper asking price?

Amazon has it listed at $181

https://www.amazon.com/Remington-89214-Express-Spring-Rifle/dp/B00K6OOZQU (https://www.amazon.com/Remington-89214-Express-Spring-Rifle/dp/B00K6OOZQU)

Cheaperthandirt has them for $141

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/remington-express-xp-177-break-barrel-air-rifle-19-barrel-3-9x32-scope-hardwood-stock-black-finish-89214-047700892146.do (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/remington-express-xp-177-break-barrel-air-rifle-19-barrel-3-9x32-scope-hardwood-stock-black-finish-89214-047700892146.do)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bryan Heimann on March 29, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
Since I have more springers than I need and and Im now into PCP airguns, I want to list this new (in the box and never removed) Remington XP .177 springer. Its got a checkered wood stock and 3-9 scope. I looked to Ebay to see what they are going for but none are currently listed. I can only find the synth stock versions listed.

What would be a proper asking price?

Amazon has it listed at $181

https://www.amazon.com/Remington-89214-Express-Spring-Rifle/dp/B00K6OOZQU (https://www.amazon.com/Remington-89214-Express-Spring-Rifle/dp/B00K6OOZQU)

Cheaperthandirt has them for $141

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/remington-express-xp-177-break-barrel-air-rifle-19-barrel-3-9x32-scope-hardwood-stock-black-finish-89214-047700892146.do (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/remington-express-xp-177-break-barrel-air-rifle-19-barrel-3-9x32-scope-hardwood-stock-black-finish-89214-047700892146.do)


Pyramyd has that exact same rifle for $159.99.  Consider free shipping, or 10% off coupon code, or both if you catch it at the right time- i would guess an individual seller would get less than that.  Especially considering there is not a 30 day money back guarantee with a individual, plus you can't do factory warranty with individual seller either.  If you can find a refurbished rifle from a dealer, that is the price most are willing to pay a individual, for the rifle boxed and shipped.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: spanto1964 on November 21, 2017, 10:15:18 PM
IMHO the value of an air gun is the amount of money you will take to part with it, or the amount of money you are willing to pay for it.

 GREAT ANSWER
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: unionrdr on December 09, 2017, 09:08:00 AM
This always brings me to the Crosman model 70. Many sellers want $250 to $275 for a nice one. They were built from 1973 to 1986, so there should be a lot of them floating around. I can't afford these high price tags, but really want to give one a good home...mine! Even have a 70's Weaver scope that'll fit it well. There's just got to be someone out there that isn't seeing huge dollar signs???
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: the fuse on January 18, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
Late to this party as well. I do my share of buying and selling of vintage airguns.....so here's my two cents. Blue book of AG's is the roughest of rough guides. (though I wouldn't be without the latest issue)
It is a decent source of general info. Overall, vintage airgun prices have dropped in the past ten years.... except for some. IE: Cr M1 or S&W 78/79G. Some of Ebay's prices recently are simply bizarre.
OH oh. I'm rambling needlessly. The obvious has already been said. It's as simple as what someone is willing to pay in the moment.....for whatever reasons.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: bnt55 on February 06, 2018, 06:57:19 PM
I recently bought a pile of old stuff from a friend before he passed away, in this pile was a Crosman 130 in the original box with papers.  Pretty cool gun in .22 caliber, the seals were leaking so i rebuilt it and it shoots great.  After reading through the posts, I'm now curious as to it's value.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: the fuse on February 07, 2018, 12:17:38 PM
That is a beautiful early 130!! And the box is in excellent condition as well. Just my opinion..........I would not consider an offer that was less than at least $150. If I was listing it's value for insurance purposes, I'd go $200. It would be a very long search to find a pistol and extras, from 1955, in that kind of condition. Sorry that it came to you from a friend that passed. Nice that it found a good home.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: archellas on February 07, 2018, 12:53:26 PM
This is always an interesting and very controversial argument (discussion?). I understand that different people have different opinions (and everybody is entitled to theirs) but truth be told:
It's ONLY worth what someone will pay for it! Really, a Picasso is not worth $100s of thousands if someone did not want to pay for it. I mean really, my youngest could draw better when she was three. My dog scribbles better than that!  ::)

It's interesting to always see people listing items for sale for more than what they sell for NEW. Case in point, I paid $650 for a Bullboss, which now can be had for as low as $399! Yet people still list them used for $500-600??? If someone wants to pay it, then good for you. Otherwise, the ACTUAL value is going be $399 OR LESS. Oh yeah, let's not forget my favorites: plus shipping and 3% for Paypal.

Like I said: It's a very controversial discussion ......

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: the fuse on February 07, 2018, 01:54:24 PM
I agree 100% (except for the Picasso part) But as a seller, there are times when I can't find a buyer willing to pay what I feel my gun is worth. Does that mean the gun is worth less than I think it is? In the moment, yes it does. This sort of thing happens when I'm selling a very hard to find gun or a gun in exceptional condition. No problem. It goes back on the rack or in the box. I can be patient and sometimes you have to be.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: miro on February 08, 2018, 03:17:43 AM

If I have paid $9 for HW45 in disassembled condition without barrel,  on a flea market - what its actual price? A question rhetorical, I just brag :)

Yes, and Walter LP53 I has bought for $80, that too it is very favourable, seems to me.

Cost of all my airtoys now about 1200-1300 $, I think. And approximately as much I for them have paid. Advantage that many of them have been got at second hand, and between the second and third hands the price changes slightly...
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: unionrdr on April 22, 2018, 11:19:55 AM
I've seen that percentage over the price for using Paypal. Why do these greedy fools want to penalize you for using Paypal, when it gets them paid directly and protects you too? Some as high as 5%+!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: the fuse on April 22, 2018, 09:58:33 PM
I've seen that percentage over the price for using Paypal. Why do these greedy fools want to penalize you for using Paypal, when it gets them paid directly and protects you too? Some as high as 5%+!
They are not interested in protecting you. They want the full price in usps money order and are willing to wait for snail mail. I get it. They don't trust the net. I don't trust the net much either. That said, Karen  and I have better than $30,000 go through Paypal (back and forth) yearly and have had no issues. Some folk leave NOTHING to chance. Some folk may have had a bad experience and made a big deal out of it and other folk have heard about that. Whatever. I'm happy to send a usps money order if I really want a gun and the gent. will not except anything else........once I've checked him out via phone convo or some other form. ie: BOI
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: airsenal on August 24, 2018, 07:14:19 PM
Just talkin' airguns and airgun stuff - the "airgun world" if you will - I'm not here with a get rich quick or get over real good scheme or master plan. LOL  I've gave guns and
accessories/parts away and the stuff I sell is a good deal to a heck of a deal IMO. I know this same thing or way is true more/less of a number of you. Nothing wrong with making a living and a good one but there's something about those folks that are always trying to make a killing that bothers me. Some are ignorant when they put a ridiculous price on this or that but I intuit and often even know way more are very well aware of the details, the value, etc. Oh well - what's new?!
I'm just a casual shooter - not a collector, smith, dealer, tuner, competitor and I am not addicted or whatever to AG or any forums so none of this wobbles my foundation.
LOL
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: the fuse on September 04, 2018, 07:28:54 PM
Just talkin' airguns and airgun stuff - the "airgun world" if you will - I'm not here with a get rich quick or get over real good scheme or master plan. LOL  I've gave guns and
accessories/parts away and the stuff I sell is a good deal to a heck of a deal IMO. I know this same thing or way is true more/less of a number of you. Nothing wrong with making a living and a good one but there's something about those folks that are always trying to make a killing that bothers me. Some are ignorant when they put a ridiculous price on this or that but I intuit and often even know way more are very well aware of the details, the value, etc. Oh well - what's new?!
I'm just a casual shooter - not a collector, smith, dealer, tuner, competitor and I am not addicted or whatever to AG or any forums so none of this wobbles my foundation.
LOL

I get your point. And for the most part agree. I have spent the better part of ten years buying and selling airguns to help pay for the ones I really want. Not trying to get rich but when I find a nice wood stock Cr M1 at the flea for $50 I would certainly try to get $200 for it. I look at it like a guy panning for gold. Just cuz he finds a 2 ounce nugget for nothing doesn't mean he'll sell it for less than what it's worth. Right now I'm getting out of the deep end of that pool.....trying to sell off and get down to just shooting........being "just a casual shooter" again.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: ldmf on January 14, 2019, 09:48:29 AM
New member here, wanting to find some values of some PCP guns that I do not use.  All in very good + condition.  i am looking to get fires sale value and fair market value.
More pics upon request.

Anschutz 2002 comes with two tanks .177

Steyr Match LP  Original Box and two tanks .177

Fx Logun .177

Benjamin Discovery with hand pump.22
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Yarddog on January 17, 2019, 10:18:00 AM
In the short time I've been into air rifles, I've noticed that values and prices are all over the place!  My experience over the years has been in vehicle restoration, and the 'blue book value' of used parts...if you want to call it that...is 50% of the price of a new part, and you go down from there.  Unless it's a rare part, then it's all about what the buyer wants to pay.  But in general, used parts are discounted a lot.

Then I get into this hobby!!  I've got the hots for a particular Weirauch rifle, and there's not too many out there advertised new, and I've only found one used.  I can buy this unit any day for $500 new.  $350 on sale from another vendor.  Free shipping for one of those vendors.  Comes now a guy wanting to sell one used on an auction site...starting bid is $350, plus $45 shipping.

WHAAAATTT???  And I believe cannabis is legal in this guy's state!!!  Hey, for another C-note, I'll just buy new, or wait for the sale item to come back into stock.  They relisted the unit for $335, but they are simply gonna have to come off of that a LOT for me to bite, and I believe I'll have a new rifle in my hands before that happens!!! 

Then, on the same auction site, another seller has a new Gamo Swarm Maxxim for $335!!!  I've seen 'em as low as $150 on sale during the holidays, everyday price $200 on line, $220 from Big 5 any given day, and they go on sale!  If they're listing them at that price, somebody's gotta be buying them, I reckon!!!

At the same time, I've seen some true bargains!  I saw a HW35 in the box...unknown condition, looked to be new when I pulled it out...for $200 at a gun show recently.  I didn't know if that was a good deal or bad deal, did a quick search on my cell phone at the time but it didn't move me or fill a vacancy in my collection at that time, so I passed.  The next time that gun show comes to town, if I see it, I'll buy it.

Same show.  Another vendor has a sidelever Chinese air rifle, couldn't tell ya what it was, but it was one of the true cheapies.  This guy had a tag on it for $200...I picked it up, looked it over, told the guy "that's absolutely the best thirty dollar air rifle I've ever seen for two hundred dollars!"...when I left, he was tearing up the price tag.  I didn't buy it...

I found a Santa Rosa R1 in .22 on CL a few months ago for $300...now, even then, I knew that was a good rifle.  It had been tuned and buttoned, but the barrel had been chopped to thirteen inches with a homebrew brake on it.  It was in decent shape, didn't have the OE trigger guard on it, but I figgered I couldn't lose for $260, so that's what I paid for it, with an old four power Leapers scope on it.  Since then, I've put an OE barrel back on it, installed an OE trigger guard, and this thing is just a great air gun!!!  Not hold sensitive, eats any and all pellets happily, money very well spent!

So, in short, ya just never know, but one had better be schooled and conversant in values before considering any but a new purchase! 
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: MMshtr on February 07, 2019, 04:14:46 PM
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.

For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:
Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3

This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).
  Indeed



It does not take a high dolor AG to do the job.   The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun.

   This sums it up right there. The person behind the gun. I put food on the table and pest with air guns most put their noses down to. My Gamo Big Cat .22 which is not tuned and has the stock trigger kills anything I aim it at, from woodchucks down. My lowly Daisy 880 outperforms all of my Crosmans and also kills whatever it is pointed at, from rabbits on down. The price of the AG does not make it more or less capable. The capability lies in the one holding said weapon.

   Well said David.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Chpmnkh8r on February 20, 2019, 10:31:46 AM
Hope this is a sub forum to get an idea of a particular airgun'?
Trying to get an idea of the value of my RWS 460 mag. 22. It is topped off with a Hawke Airmax 3x9-40 AO. Excellent condition.
Thanks, Ron

(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr119/ranger521_photo/20190220_091747_zpsocetfcci.jpg) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/ranger521_photo/media/20190220_091747_zpsocetfcci.jpg.html)
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on February 20, 2019, 10:37:48 AM
Ron figure -30% of retail and cross your fingers. Most buyers are of three types tire kickers that are looking for super cheap or bargain hunters who will then post on how cheap they got this excellent rifle for. Then there are those who will negotiate without being insulting and they will usually buy the air gun from you. At that point you both walk away happy
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Chpmnkh8r on February 20, 2019, 10:40:59 AM
Ron figure -30% of retail and cross your fingers. Most buyers are of three types tire kickers that are looking for super cheap or bargain hunters who will then post on how cheap they got this excellent rifle for. Then there are those who will negotiate without being insulting and they will usually buy the air gun from you. At that point you both walk away happy

Ok thanks. I just priced the 460 and the scope new from Amazon and -30% like you said. Came up to about $520.
So I could or should ask for $500 and be willing to negotiate from there?
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: osco on March 10, 2019, 09:55:20 PM
I thought he meant 30% of the retail price as In a Gun that retails for $500 will sell for $150
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on March 10, 2019, 10:39:42 PM
I thought he meant 30% of the retail price as In a Gun that retails for $500 will sell for $150
::) ::) No I was understood correctly you figure retail minus 30% as a starting point. As the seller you don't want to feel like you are being robbed any more than the buyer wants to feel like they are being taken advantage of. A good deal is one where both parties feel satisfied with the transaction.

Having sold several AG's here on the GTA there is nothing more irritating than the person that knows the value of a good air rifle offering an amount that is more in line with a junker that has been left out in the weather for several and looks like a rusted relic.

Most people that sell their AG's here on the GTA treat their AG's with care and maintain them at near new condition. As such offering 30% of the retail value is not the way to open negotiations for the  purchase a decent used  AG.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on March 11, 2019, 07:12:31 PM
I think a typo is the culprit here.
 Don typed "of" in place of "off". 30% "of" $500 is a lot less than 30% "off" of $500.
Quote...
Ron figure -30% of retail and cross your fingers. Most buyers are of three types tire kickers that are looking for super cheap or bargain hunters who will then post on how cheap they got this excellent rifle for. Then there are those who will negotiate without being insulting and they will usually buy the air gun from you. At that point you both walk away happy

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Chpmnkh8r on March 11, 2019, 07:37:17 PM
Thanks for all the help. After thinking about it I decided to keep my Springer. Hey, it's still one heck of a .22 cal Springer.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: fwbsport on March 15, 2019, 05:29:43 PM
I have watched air and fire arm prices since 1969 and what has been is not what is now.  I list 9 air guns in my signature even though I've been through and have others worth putting in there for historic reason.  When a fine air gun is compared to a comfortably priced one you see you pay many times more to get the fine touches of handwork and fine parts. 

This year I picked up Walther's two "sleeper" rifles: Terrus and Parrus.  To my amazement the guns are made strong and with decent metal and wood parts to achieve astounding velocity with smooth recoil shot after shot.  How many shots will the $260 Walther Parrus shoot before it's shot out?  Not nearly as many as a, say, FWB Sport!

The Eliminator from England cost me over a thousand in 2000 and today it STILL operates--better than when it was brand new! How many .25 pellets have I fired over almost 20 years in this gun? Not too much over 2000 or so because I only use it to kill something in the absence of firearm use.  I have discovered with the .177 SPORT the .177 pellet is underrated for killing power--when you buy a rifle meeting all expectations more than all others you've shot you have a right to spend  more to get it and KEEP IT FOR LIFE!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Egyptian sniper on April 14, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
so this is very subjective and just my opinion: the value of an airgun is approx. = (blue book value) - (10% for being not new in box) - (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights) - (2% for anything not .177cal) +/- (2% for scope/peep/other sights) = (blue book value) - (up to 15-19%)

just my thoughts about what i will pay. (Crosman 13xx and 22xx, may be exceptions...but not immune)

correction: what you will part with $-wise is the perceived value. what an owner wants for their gun is not of any consequence if he can not get a buyer to pay the $$$$.

if you buy a new car for $50,000  and put $100,00 into parts and then try to sell it for $150,000, buyers will balk all day long about the 3X  MSRP junk-bucket that the greedy owner want to unload.

if you think your gun is worth 850 but the sales in the market show only sales under 300 you might not have a gun worth 850, like you think. more like 350, as the market dictates. you can hold on til someone gives you 850, but you will likely see inflation eat your profit (over 40 years), or you'll cave-into the lower price.

thanks,
rob

While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to.    So I do not measure the value in cash.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Mike-Nashville on May 24, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
This has been a very good read and I agree with most of what has been said.  I do remember in 1969 I had to save for weeks and weeks to come up with $69.00 and change.  Once saved I rushed to Roses Department store in Virginia Beach to purchase a Ruger single six 22LR with the magnum cylinder.  I was a Sgt in the Marine Corps and the wife and daughter came first.  So it did take weeks.  I also regret later not putting the same $69.00 plus  into a new Webley Tempest (maybe 1980ish).  I still do not have the money to rush out and purchase what I would like to have (Daystate any Daystate, w/beautiful LH wood stock) but I can purchase some of the lesser valued items and enjoye each and every one.  I usually get used equipment that way I can purchase more items. I also find that used air guns are mostly well taken care of and in very nice shape.  I guess I will always be waiting for the $69 Tempest,  a FWB 124 at $189 or that FWB 150 with a Left hand Tyrolean stock for $249.  Long time ago a friend of mine told me something, he said  "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get".  I find that to be most often the truth.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: killahog on May 25, 2019, 10:07:02 AM
This has been a very good read and I agree with most of what has been said.  I do remember in 1969 I had to save for weeks and weeks to come up with $69.00 and change.  Once saved I rushed to Roses Department store in Virginia Beach to purchase a Ruger single six 22LR with the magnum cylinder.  I was a Sgt in the Marine Corps and the wife and daughter came first.  So it did take weeks.  I also regret later not putting the same $69.00 plus  into a new Webley Tempest (maybe 1980ish).  I still do not have the money to rush out and purchase what I would like to have (Daystate any Daystate, w/beautiful LH wood stock) but I can purchase some of the lesser valued items and enjoye each and every one.  I usually get used equipment that way I can purchase more items. I also find that used air guns are mostly well taken care of and in very nice shape.  I guess I will always be waiting for the $69 Tempest,  a FWB 124 at $189 or that FWB 150 with a Left hand Tyrolean stock for $249.  Long time ago a friend of mine told me something, he said  "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get".  I find that to be most often the truth.

  "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get".  I find that to be most often the truth. That is a very interesting statement .  Thank you for your Service Mike.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Arch_E on June 01, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
This has been a very good read and I agree with most of what has been said.  I do remember in 1969 I had to save for weeks and weeks to come up with $69.00 and change.  Once saved I rushed to Roses Department store in Virginia Beach to purchase a Ruger single six 22LR with the magnum cylinder.  I was a Sgt in the Marine Corps and the wife and daughter came first.  So it did take weeks.  I also regret later not putting the same $69.00 plus  into a new Webley Tempest (maybe 1980ish).  I still do not have the money to rush out and purchase what I would like to have (Daystate any Daystate, w/beautiful LH wood stock) but I can purchase some of the lesser valued items and enjoye each and every one.  I usually get used equipment that way I can purchase more items. I also find that used air guns are mostly well taken care of and in very nice shape.  I guess I will always be waiting for the $69 Tempest,  a FWB 124 at $189 or that FWB 150 with a Left hand Tyrolean stock for $249.  Long time ago a friend of mine told me something, he said  "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get".  I find that to be most often the truth.

  "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get".  I find that to be most often the truth. That is a very interesting statement .  Thank you for your Service Mike.

Love that quote!

Thanks,

Archie
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Cconan on June 07, 2019, 08:56:44 AM
- (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights)
Is tuning considered a modification? I would think one that had been tuned would add to it's valve.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on June 07, 2019, 10:36:57 AM
- (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights)
Is tuning considered a modification? I would think one that had been tuned would add to it's valve.
;) :D Sorry Carl but unless the AG you are selling is considered a collectors piece probably not going to happen. Used AG's are more akin to used cars. Unless they are of an age to be considered collectable treasures it is a decreasing value item. If considered collectable modifications unless factory installed are a minus not a plus in most cases.

Tuning is something we do to adjust the AG to our desires not necessarily something the prospective buyer wants.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: cynfeld5 on July 23, 2019, 02:46:31 PM
Wow!  Such an interesting thread.  Regardless of the age of it, I have found the differing opinions to be fascinating.  I've also been educated in a hurry on product, economics and reasons for owning.  Sometimes, especially at a certain age (LOL), you think you know it all....definitely not the case.   Being new here, I found this particular thread to have satisfied a certain curiosity in me.  Thanks to all who posted.  Time to read on...... :D
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Jeffrey Only on July 25, 2019, 07:19:33 PM
Hi everyone
Really new to the forum.
This has been a very fascinating read about a puzzling (to me) topic.
I have a Baikal Drozd that I’ve been trying to get an accurate price on and man! The pricing seem all over the place. I think that websites that formerly sold them showing the original listing from 5 years ago (even though they are not available) with ridiculously low pricing is not helping.
I’ve had tire kickers show interest at a given price then try and cut that in half when it was time to pay up. Pretty frustrating.
I’m glad I found this site and forum.
Thanks
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: unionrdr on September 05, 2019, 01:44:44 PM
All things concerning vintage or antique air guns seems to be de rigueur on this site. So stick around and you'll learn somethin'.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Golden Retriever on December 30, 2019, 07:08:17 PM
New member here (or to any forum for that matter).  The amount of expertise here is way impressive.  Lemme know if this is a stupid question.  Recently, I was about to buy an RWS Diana Model 34.  .177 cal.  The date on the barrel is 07/05.  The seller stated even though it was nearly 15 years old, it was still worth the price of the most recent models.  About $280.  What you guys think since this 05 model has no fiber optic sights or the newer T06 trigger if I’m not mistaken.  This gun is new on a shelf, never fired, just older.  Just looking for advice!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Idalogger52 on January 28, 2020, 06:52:49 PM
Hello
I am trying to help a friend (widow) her husband had 2 Beeman air rifles, both in Mint condition. She needs the money and I cannot find any info as to their value.
1) Beeman Original Model 35) .177 German Mfg
2) Beeman “Kodiak” .25 cal, English Mfg
Any information would be appreciated!!
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: centexmarauder on February 03, 2020, 05:00:53 PM
Hello all, I have fallen on some tough times and am considering selling a few of my springers. The question for everyone is that I have a tech force 89 contender in .22 that is fully tuned and is an absolute tack driver. It is easily the best springier I have ever shot and comes in at 19.xx fpe so it could be a real nice ft gun. What should I post it for? You can see it in my avatar pic. Third from the left.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Chpmnkh8r on April 05, 2020, 01:15:40 PM
Looking to put my 2019 Impact-X up for sale soon. The serial number says it has the new AMP regulator like the MK II has. Under 100 rounds through it. It's very accurate. Hawke 30 6x24-56 sidewinder on it.
I'm thinking of asking around $1,500 for the setup. Does that seem ok?
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: jmoronic on March 21, 2021, 06:33:50 PM
When I find a used non-working air gun I'm interrested in I think how much do I want it, what would it cost to rebuild, am I just buying to rebuild, or do I really want it? If I really want it, I tend to pay more, if I'm buying to rebuild I need to keep the cost as low as possible. The problem I run into is I never seem to sell any of them. Once I finish them I like them so much I end up adding them to the collection.

The plain truth is what others have said, you will only get what the market will allow.
Air guns seem to be a buyers market right now, but that could change real soon.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bmannator on March 22, 2021, 01:37:41 AM
 Since it looks like you revived this thread, I would like to pose a question about the apparent buyers market.
  Do you see any obvious reason(s) for the weak air gun pricing?
 I would have thought prices would be up due to the strong firearm/ammo sales/shortages. Do you think it is affecting the values on collector class air guns also?
 I don't disagree with you but, I would like to hear your thoughts. Perhaps, you could offer some insight that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: jmoronic on March 22, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
Remember this is only my opinon, but it seems like the  USA  has seen air guns as toys for many years. This has kept the cost down in the GUN market.
I would expect with the current state of affairs in this country and the increased information on air guns avaiible to everyone on the web, we will see a turn around of the market to a sellers market. Once the general public gets a taste of the true air gun use and costs. I think it will affect the older metal receiver models from Crosman, Daisy, etc. first and then it will focus on the older, and rarer models.


Hey, I have been wrong before, just ask my ex-wife...
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bmannator on March 30, 2021, 01:17:02 AM
 I think you might be onto something here. The predominant image of air guns in the US is the Daisy Red Ryder (type) BB gun of the 1950's 60's, 70's? that no-one takes seriously. In today's political climate, anything that looks like a gun, quacks like a gun, and only comes in black, is bound to get you into an argument with SOMEBODY! So now might not be a good time to bring up the positive points about air-gunning with the few friends you have left.
 The LAST thing we need to be associated with right now is the gun lobby. One can debate how and why we are where we are, and bingo!, we gonna have another dee-bait.
 It is my firm belief that BOTH sides are wrong! I'll be happy to debate that with you some other time. But, we talkin about airguns here, so take a breath.

Lets get back to your point about the general opinion that airguns are considered to be "toylike" Does anyone think it's possible to promote air-gunning as a "sport" with some positive aspects? I feel like at least the last generation missed out on the "BB gun experience" opting instead to shoot it out on a video screen in one form or another. It's only my opinion, so relax.
 My point is that without that generation to understand the difference between "gun" and "air gun". They're no innocent child hood memories to look back on, and no reason to separate the two.

 Take the membership of GTA for example. Although I'm really impressed with the numbers of new members joining up. I wonder how many of them have just turned 18 and want to continue their interest in the sport, compared to an adult with possibly kids at home who remembers his childhood, and wants to have a similar experience with his own kids.
 Don't get me started on us "old guys" who see the sport changing with the technology. We're the ones that realize they're not making any more Benjis, Crosmans Sheridans etc. The classic German and English rifles  have all been made. the people and the companies that made them are for the most part gone. What you get today isn't the same, even though it might be better. I feel sad that all the collectible guns are going to wind up in a... collection.
Still, you can get modern state of the art equipment, for a fair price. If we could only market that to a new generation of air-gunners in some politically correct way.
We got it made. So, step right up, somebody's got to have this figured out by now... I'll wait

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: jmoronic on March 30, 2021, 03:03:34 PM
Good stuff Dale,

I agree that if air guns get attention now it will only be be bad for the sport, but it will drive the cost up, and  that is a sellers market.
I would prefer it stay a buyers market forever. That would work best for me. The guns I have restored have all been added to my (shooting) collection, or I have given them away to other family members to get them into the sport. So far I have not sold one rebuilt air gun, and don't plan on it any time soon.

Just for the record, I like the way you discuss topics, and would be glad to hear more of your opions in the future.

John
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Bmannator on March 31, 2021, 11:37:42 PM
 It seems like you've found a niche in the market that works for you. The majority of vintage airguns are in need of some TLC, possibly more.
You're more likely to find a good deal on one that isn't 100% By restoring these vintage guns you're making a contribution to the sport by keeping these guns in service, as well as increasing their value.
 On the other hand, the high-end guns are becoming collectible because the sport has moved on to PCP's. Rising production costs and falling
demand  paints a bleak future for high grade springers.  They're in demand right now, the shrinking supply should help support higher prices.

 My opinion is currently valued at 2 cents. and you can take that to the bank.
 
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: jmoronic on April 01, 2021, 03:39:56 PM
If I was in this for the money, I would not eat well. My issue is I can't stand to see older quility items, including air guns be dumped.
Worst case (basket case) I would strip it down for a parts gun. I would not feel great about it, but sometimes it just has to be done.
I have a room full of toys from the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's that I have rebuilt to like new condition. They all need new homes now.
I'm ok with them going to collector's or even back to children, who will most likely break them again, but at least they had a chance to see how things were built in the past, and for many of the toy they were still built in the USA.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: xbangu on January 08, 2023, 01:17:51 AM
to me I think of how much is it worth to you. A rifle might cost $400 but if you can't part form it, it's priceless.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Dennis G on January 12, 2023, 07:19:54 PM
I have so many that are tuned that are very valuable to me but I suppose would mean nothing if selling to a shop. This is why I have too many. Then there are the custom stocks etc....
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on January 20, 2023, 05:51:18 PM
Many of mine are worth more to me than they would be to anyone else.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Kragman1 on January 31, 2023, 09:36:41 PM
This has probably been said, but in case it hasn't...

Buying new mostly means that you're paying a premium for a used gun, because as you're taking possession of it, it magically becomes a used gun.
There are definitely good reasons to do so - sellers return policy if you have an issue, manufacturers warranty, peace of mind that no bozo has been screwing around with it unknown to you, etc.
But, and especially with airguns, if you buy quality used guns at reasonable prices, and don't break them, drag them behind your truck, carve your name into them, etc you may well be able to sell it for what you paid down the road.  More if it's a ways down the road.
Even springers, losing some popularity due to the rise of PCPs, hold value if you buy them right in the first place.  Not "steal" them, just buy them fairly.

This thread made me think about my best gun deals, and surprisingly, all the best ones came from established, knowledgeable firearms stores.  None of them seem interested in airguns, likely because there isn't much market for them.  I think they only take them in at very favorable prices, and just want to move them first chance they get. 


Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: buellm2 on January 31, 2023, 11:37:58 PM
"This thread made me think about my best gun deals, and surprisingly, all the best ones came from established, knowledgeable firearms stores.  None of them seem interested in airguns, likely because there isn't much market for them.  I think they only take them in at very favorable prices, and just want to move them first chance they get. "

I've found gun auctions to be great places to get a good deal.   They typically only sell AGs if they have to.  Like if the AG is part of a primarily PB estate.   Gun auction company doesn't know or care about AGs, they just want to move them first chance they get.   
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on February 01, 2023, 05:56:31 PM
I have made some very good purchases of Airguns off Gunbroker.
Like you say, the normal clientele is all about PB so Airguns go under the radar.
Local gun shows, while have slim pickens, have the same results... low price for limited interest.
 That said... my BEST transactions have been right here on GTA Classifieds.
Members know the true value of their guns... not some "Pie in the sky" E-bay prices some people want.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Kragman1 on February 01, 2023, 11:38:10 PM
Well, recently bought a 2005 Beeman R9 in .177, with one of those very nice Japanese Busnell Trophy 4-12x40 AO scopes on it, in what turned out to be excellent shape, from the good people at New England Airgun for $300.
Would you all say that was at market, over market or under market?  I haven't shot it but I expect that it will shoot like every other R9/HW95 out there.  Honk and all...  ha ha.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Methuselah on May 25, 2023, 05:33:48 PM

Great thread!

It's been a while since I've haunted these halls. First thing I noticed is I cannot tell who's who any more because a lot of the avitars seem to have been updated. Threre's a few
promotions to moderator too :-)

So, well, I had no idea there was a blue book covering airguns (but you have to register, which I did not).

Value though. Crazy trying to figure that out really. I MEAN really. Almost every airgun I bought was new. They were mostly defective or quickly became so. Except for here, I would imagine most being sold used are being sold because they either underperform or have developed an issue or two. Maybe on Gunbroker they were estate sale items someone just wants top dollar for and they have no idea if they even work.

My main airgun is my third Daisy 880. My first one was gifted after purchasing one that was defective (Hatsan 125 that swarf in the air chamber cut the seal and the barrel locking pin was so loose I didn't bother trying to fix or reassemble the gun). That first 880 shot great but the barrel flew out of it, a replacement by Daisy never shot well and only lasted a few years, so I bought a second 880 at WallyWorld for about $35. That third one I'm using now cost me $45, needs the tape mod and only the first one was an accurate shooter, about 1/4 inch at 35 yards.

I got a return through a discount store after Christmas, defective RWS 34, left the Benjamin 392 there at the store (kick myself for that, $80). Umarex "fixed" the RWS 34, but tried charging me and it isn't fixed (staked screw works loose on the front bracket). There were two more, both defective.

I digress. Value. To me with my experiences, it's what it's worth thinking I'm going to have to fix it. Selling, well, don't think I'd ever do that, but have given away a few clearance-marked co2 pistols and a scope away.

I'd love to have ONE good break-barrel that wasn't defective. I would buy it new if I thought for one second there was ANY chance it would not be defective, but with my luck - forget it. On the other hand, I make less and less every year, am working past retirement age and plan to work till I die (and the house isn't paid for), so, as much as I would love to be able to pay for a tuner to work one of my rifles, or purchase one off GTA classifieds that was tuned, I am no longer able to induldge in that financially. Heck, just pellets now cost per round what .22 ammunition used to cost per round since I got back into shooting when I picked up that Hatsan 125 around 15 years ago.

What's a GOOD/FUNCTIONAL older airgun worth used? I really think if it is KNOWN to be good, possibly up to the cost of a new one that probably won't hold up anyway (and is made with cheaper materials).

Sorry if my crying ruined anyone's corn flakes, it was not my intention.

Oh, loved the quote "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get". SO true.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Motorhead on May 25, 2023, 10:24:38 PM
Value is a figure that while obscure to some ... places a monetary value to an experience one may place on possessing or using something that has been determined as a want.
An individuals life relativity is forever in flux, those who may try to figure it out either HAVE or need to take PHYSIOLOGY class of some sort.

Cliche as it might be ... VALUE is a figure no more defined as what one it willing to pay in there own life's $$ expenditures to gain a life's experience or possession of an item to be used and further rationalized being worth what spent.

Kinda deep, kinda real  ???

Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on May 26, 2023, 08:28:15 AM
Great insight Scott!
 I often wonder that about Gold... entire civilizations have been made and destroyed over it for millennia.
Sure, today we know it has certain desirable properties but think about it... it's basically a soft metal that looks pretty.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Methuselah on May 26, 2023, 09:27:35 AM
Great insight Scott!
 I often wonder that about Gold... entire civilizations have been made and destroyed over it for millennia.
Sure, today we know it has certain desirable properties but think about it... it's basically a soft metal that looks pretty.

And iron pyrite looks just like it, go figure...
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: buellm2 on May 26, 2023, 11:52:31 AM
Handling gold is captivating.   The color, shininess and density is like nothing else.   Gold fever, so easily caught.    I want piles of it.  Give me all your gold or I'll send my armies to take it.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Spacebus on May 26, 2023, 01:44:15 PM
Great insight Scott!
 I often wonder that about Gold... entire civilizations have been made and destroyed over it for millennia.
Sure, today we know it has certain desirable properties but think about it... it's basically a soft metal that looks pretty.

Originally gold, along with silver and copper, had intrinsic value because they didn't tarnish and have antimicrobial properties. They are also very easy to work compared to iron, bronze, steel, brass, etc. Meaning those metals could be shaped at annealing temperature rather than casting with them. Most civilizations that were built on gold didn't have an easy way of working iron, and sometimes iron goods were even more valuable because pure iron could only have been recovered from meteorites.



Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Rick67 on May 26, 2023, 05:03:17 PM
Great insight Scott!
 I often wonder that about Gold... entire civilizations have been made and destroyed over it for millennia.
Sure, today we know it has certain desirable properties but think about it... it's basically a soft metal that looks pretty.

Originally gold, along with silver and copper, had intrinsic value because they didn't tarnish and have antimicrobial properties. They are also very easy to work compared to iron, bronze, steel, brass, etc. Meaning those metals could be shaped at annealing temperature rather than casting with them. Most civilizations that were built on gold didn't have an easy way of working iron, and sometimes iron goods were even more valuable because pure iron could only have been recovered from meteorites.


Even leprechauns love them  ???
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: avator on May 26, 2023, 06:20:38 PM
Take my gold and give me airguns. When it hits the fan that gold ain't gonna feed me.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: Simplemann on May 27, 2023, 07:56:19 AM
Take my gold and give me airguns. When it hits the fan that gold ain't gonna feed me.

My thoughts exactly. I always say water, weapons forget the gold when it hits.
Title: Re: values of airguns
Post by: lefteyeshot on May 28, 2023, 07:41:51 AM
Few months ago I bought three used .177 Crosman springers. A Phantom and two Furys. Don't remember which but paid like $54, $60 and $80 for them. I had scopes for them, mildots with mag. Found wood stocks for them on ebay, one a Summit stock. The stocks were like $35-45. Refinished the stock, nothing fancy. Did the RC roller bearing mod on all three. They're all tac drivers.

What are they worth now????

During all this I saw an old, but nice looking, Chinese .177 TS45 side lever springer on ebay for $200. If I didn't already have two I might have bought it. Bought my two at pawn shops for I don't remember. Not much.

For the trouble shipping and cost and buyer expectation I'll just keep them. Miss Baby asked what she was going to do with all these air guns if I die. Told her I want care, I'll be dead.