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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: dhc8guru on November 21, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
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Anyone see this in Hardair magazine?
http://hardairmagazine.com/news/product-news/retay-air-rifles-now-available-in-the-usa/ (http://hardairmagazine.com/news/product-news/retay-air-rifles-now-available-in-the-usa/)
Don't bother going to Valken sports website, as they have nothing posted about it yet.
The designs are very cool and what few reviews I have seen, seen generally positive.
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It's about time. I've been wanting one of their under levers. I bought a couple of Mendozas off amazon that Vaulken supplied the vendor and some Norica pellets.
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Interesting guns but the back up and availability of spares here in New Zealand was virtually none existent, so I was told. No good if you need seals ect ...
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Worked on a few with our founder Gene, not bad airguns , Dez has one (ezman604). David
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I got nosey and had to look...between those and some of the Mendoza's, I have a few new rifles on my wish list if they shoot as good as they look.
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From our previous experience and interaction with Retay, these were very nice airguns. We had a representative as a member back in 2011 (Magy) who worked with us as we tested and reported back to them the issues we saw. Sem Guray is the marketing manager for Retay and I have been in contact with him over the years bugging him to get a US distributor. He informed me a few months back they would announce the new distributor. Needless to say, I never saw the announcement until it was published in the Hardair magazine.
Contacting Sem he apologized, saying they have been extremely busy setting up a new factory to go into production for Benelli. That Valken Outdoor has been a major player in the airsoft market and that Mike is a good guy he has known since his time with Crosman. I'm looking forward to hearing more and getting my hands on some new Retay airguns to see if they are still the quality we remember. Hilary is supposed to still be a member here and is a representative of Retay.
Will post more as I find out. Unless you folks hear it first.
LOL
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Maybe you should consider making this a sticky so the members can find the info faster? Might be another of my half baked thoughts but like I mentioned above, if they shoot as good as they look, I'll have to consider parting with some of my bank account.
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Oh, they shoot extremely well. I have the 135X Sniper model and want one of the 100X underlevers.
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They have an odd looking trigger which makes me think some work was put into that part of the gun.
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Im a newb this year, but already have a nice collection of newer stuff..I thought I was thru for the moment, but I want at least one of these guns....I hope somebody post up when,where and how I can have one.....eventually...LOL..many thanks....
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I just Googled Amazon Retay air rifles and a vender Vtac popped up with all the different colors of the their X135 break barrel and the black X100 under lever all in both calibers. But all said "temporarily out of stock". Also said pre order and they'll e-mail when they're available and want charge your account until it ships. All the guns were $229. I pre-order the black X100 .177 underlever. I'll see what happens.
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Got an e-mail confirmation from Amazon saying they will e-mail me when the Retay is available and ready to ship.
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Got an e-mail confirmation from Amazon saying they will e-mail me when the Retay is available and ready to ship.
I know we can count on you to give us a heads up... ;D ..will be safe to buy a first run gun or wait...thanks..
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Hi Everyone,
I am sorry for rarely visit but will do our best, promise :)
We're in USA market with valken and ll do our best for you. Our new models will be launch in next weeks and will ship you for tests and reviews
Let's gossip about retay more , hehe :)
Hilary
Social Media Coordinator
Retay
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Welcome back Hilary, glad to help get you back on GTA. :)
I have been in communication with Sem and also sent an introduction to Mike at Valken Outdoors. I hope he accepts the invitation to join us. We are anxious to get our hands on the new and improved Retay airguns!!!
I personally have a 100X in wood finish on my wish list. I am eager to get the newest model in hand to test and evaluate.
Thanks again for the update!!!
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Hillary, +1 what Dave said. It seems you care about your product and customers. I have wanted one of your guns along time. Pre-ordered a 100X from V-tac off of Amazon . They're out of stock now. Hope to get the gun soon.
I wondered if V-tac was part if Valken or one of their customers.
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Those are some good looking rifles.
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I wonder if the USA gets supplied with the same guns we get in New Zealand. We don't have many Retay guns here but yesterday I had the opportunity of inspecting and shooting the one that is a copy of the Gamo CFX. It was the most poorly made gun I have seen and shot just as badly. It had a no name cheap scope on it that did not help but the rifle was of appalling quality. I can see why they are not popular here.
That doesn't fit with comments on this thread.
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Not sure what you handled but the Retay airguns I have had my hands n were superb quality. and they did not ship with a scope. And generally all airgun combos have lower quality glass with them. I'm really anxious to see the new 100X now.
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The Retay under levers I seen pictures of have a breach like a B3 or RWS 460 or Hatsan Dominator. CFR/CFX beach design is why I sold mine. Friend who bought it likes it.
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FYI STUFF: evike.com has Retays for order. But I googled 100X underlever and what they have pictured are 135X break barrels. The ad even says 100x underlever.
They're $249. .22 in black. .177 in black, carbon and wood color.
I emailed them to see what the confusion is. Don't know anything about they're reputation. They are mainly a paint ball store and have a lot of stuff from Valken who I think is the distributor for Retay in the USA.
Amazon is still out of stock. If the ones at evike turn out to be break barrel I might order one. .177 black. If they're under levers I might order one and cancel my pre-order at Amazon.
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Yep, Valken Outdoors is the new distributor for Retay in the USA. They are in the process of getting retailers onboard. Looks like Evike is the first. They have a big store front in Alhambra, CA and cater to mainly paintball customers. They DO have quite a few airguns though, Crosman, Benjamin, Norica, Umarex, Mendoza and now Retay. You can even get a t-shirt cannon from them. LOL
I have dropped Mike at Valken Outdoors a message asking if there are other vendors set up yet. I also dropped Evike.com a message asking if they in fact had the 100X and which caliber and stock colors. But in talking to Mike a while back, it seems that they stockpiled the full line of 135X but only the black 100X. To me, it should have been the other way around, stock the full line of underlevers and a few of the break barrels. But hey, I'm just an airgun nut and that's what I would have done.
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Will post when/if I hear from anyone on these. Oh, I also asked for a forum discount code.
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I emailed them also DEz. I'll let you all know what they said. Let us know what you find out.
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Just heard back from Mike. He informed me there are about 10 retailers so far that have opted to pick up the Retay line from them but he did not say who they were. He also apologized for not calling me yet, just too darn busy getting things lined up. :)
I hope to get with Mike soon and get as much insider info as possible. I'll be sure to share it here. He will definitely be at Shot Show 2016. I'm debating applying for a press pass and representing GTA there but....
Not sure I can swing it.
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evike.com returned my email and said the Retays they have are 135X break barrels and they are changing the ad to reflect that.
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Just got an e-mail from Amazon saying my black .177 Retay 100X underlever will be delivered Jan. 4th.
$246 with Tax and free shipping. I'll let you know when I get it and then try to get some different pellet velocities and trigger pull and see how it shoots at 25 yards. Just in time for the fun shoot.
Also got another turkey gun comin' from AOA. A Webley Tomahawk $150 and a Hawke HP 2-9X32AO lum mildot for $30. $100 of the scope with the gun. Nice scope, I've got one.
Later, Tim.
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Well Doggies , cant wait to get your report....Either Ferrari red or wood, cant make up my mind will have my name on it...
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Just got an e-mail from Amazon saying my black .177 Retay 100X underlever will be delivered Jan. 4th.
$246 with Tax and free shipping. I'll let you know when I get it and then try to get some different pellet velocities and trigger pull and see how it shoots at 25 yards. Just in time for the fun shoot.
Also got another turkey gun comin' from AOA. A Webley Tomahawk $150 and a Hawke HP 2-9X32AO lum mildot for $30. $100 of the scope with the gun. Nice scope, I've got one.
Later, Tim.
Tim,
Can't wait to see it on the 9th.....
And I do like the Gamo Breach....
I loved the look of the 100X that Gene had in Speeding Ticket Red...
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Al, in close-up pics it looks like the breach is like a B3 or D460 and on the bottom it looks like a button to release the anti bear trap and cocking lever to return it forward like on a Hatsan 155 or 100X. Indutry Brand B4-1 and QB58 sidelevers have a button like that. The safety looks like it's in the front of the trigger guard area. Black is the only one I wanted that they had but I would have preferred one that Retay makes that is black with a red receiver(iodized I think they call it). It kinda' looks like a CFR but I think we'll find it's very different. It would be nice if one of our buds got a Retay 135x break barrel so we could compare.
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You might find this interesting about shipment of the Retay. UPS tracking Wrote:
Dec. 30
Left seller 9:42am
Arrived carrier facility Spartanburg, S.C. 10:00am
Arrived carrier facility W. Columbia, S.C. 11:33pm
Distributor is Vaulken Outdoors. Seller is V-Tac.
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You might find this interesting about shipment of the Retay. UPS tracking Wrote:
Dec. 30
Left seller 9:42am
Arrived carrier facility Spartanburg, S.C. 10:00am
Arrived carrier facility W. Columbia, S.C. 11:33pm
Distributor is Vaulken Outdoors. Seller is V-Tac.
Appears to be located in Spartanburg SC.
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I've seen a few reviews of an Airforce One Hercules 100x which looks to be the same Turkish made rifle.
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Yep, same gun. Must be called an Air force 1 Hercules for the U.K. market.
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Just wondering around as the wolf does.
2016 and just caught the RETAY !
WELL , the gun years ago was an interesting gun. Not sure the same gun.
Best of luck on it. If the same gun I hope they have improved it. Nice looking gun and many characters of other guns incorporated in the design. But for me it was as the price!!👻 cheep and worthless and no backing of parts.
JMO
FANG
JUNKYARD AIRGUN'S
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The Retay came last night. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I'll let you know. Also got a email fromAOA.. They finally shipped the Tomahawke and Hawke scope.
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The Retay came last night. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. I'll let you know. Also got a email fromAOA.. They finally shipped the Tomahawke and Hawke scope.
Can't wait to hear how it is. (subscribing to thread)
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Got to shoot my new .177 black Retay 100X under lever. The front sight assembly is straight and smooth. I like that. Front end of the cocking lever has a small plastic spring loaded handle you pull to the rear to release the lever and also has a button on the front of the assembly to push in the release the lever. Two hand cocking for sure. Barrel and lever are flat black, not shiny. Receiver seems painted, not blued. Side stock screw are under a grey plastic inlay kind of like a CFR. Hard to get to. There's a button release on the bottom of the stock for anti bear trap like the Hatsan 155 and 100X. Has a weaver type scope rail. Weaver only. No 11mm ridge on top of the weaver like the Hatsan rail. But it is far enough back to get good eye relief with a scope without having to use an off set mount. Rear sight is similar to a Hatsan or Gamo rear sight. But raised half way up you I couldn't get my cheek low enough to get the front sight in the notch. Front post sight is to high. The knob in the bottom of the stock turns to raise and lower the adjustable cheek rest. I didn't need to raise it any. The left side of the cheek rest Is concave for a right hand shooters cheek. The other side is not. Trigger safety is in trigger guard. Push left to right for safe, right to left to fire which is perfect for a left hand shooter but awkward if you shoot right hand.
Put a Hammers 3-9X40AO mildot scope on it. Shot 4" low with scope elevation all the way up. Tried tall mounts and a X50AO scope. Didn't work so I went back to the Hammers, went to the forked tree made a little bend adjustment. Not enough to notice visually. I re-centered the scope and poi was a couple inches high and zeroed from there. Quarter to half inch groups at 25 yards.
Trigger only has first stage length adjustment. With the screw all the way in no first stage and a 5lbs pull. Three turns out first stage short and second stage is long. Predictable let off. 4lbs 5oz. Not a very good trigger. The screw is in front off the blade and scratch my finger and when trigger returns forward pinches the bottom of my finger between bottom of trigger and guard. Recoils is not to bad.
Length: 43.5"
Pull length:14.25"
Barrell length:18"
Weight: est. 6-7lbs
JSB 10.34grs domed avg 790fps
RWS 9.3 W/C 868
JSB 8.44 domed 895
JSB 7.33 W/C 962
CX 4.0 alloy 2 shots 1185/1151
Is this a good gun? Is it worth $249? Jury's still out. Taking it to a fun shoot this weekend. I'll see how it does at longer ranges.
Later, Tim.
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FYI...Amazon has the retay in stock...want one bad, but CC is maxed out .....
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The full range of Retay have become available in New Zealand, all models discounted down to $249 for all models...
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All models have now become available in New Zealand, however they have been discounted down to $249 for all models. The dealer has advised not to fit a scope as they are shooting low and they cannot get a scope close enough to the receiver to get it on target. Severe barrel droop ?
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Doesn't sound like anything that I would spend 250$ on.
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That's interesting. Especially when you consider an airgun like AirForce Condor SS. You have to add a riser adapter to the already elevated scope rail to get proper weld and eye relief. I have no issues with accuracy, even jacking it up that far.
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Mark, mine was shooting low with the scope elevation all the way up. Adjusted the barrel in a tree fork, centered the scope and then it was hitting a couple of inches high. Was able to zero from there.
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Hi lefteyeshot, I think it's in the too hard basket for the inexperienced airgunner who just wants to buy an Airgun, sight in and shoot. I would have been lost with this if I had bought one being a newbie..kind of hard to see the logic in sending guns out from the factory that alot of shooters wouldn't know how to fix. I came close to buying a 100x, I would not have been happy not being able to dial it in!
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After chatting with Mike of Valken again, it seems they are under the impression the market is there for the 135X break barrel. And not so much the 100X underlever. He called it an undercover. LOL
Personally, I think they are 180 degree off. I would think the demand would be greater for an underlever.
What say you???
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Mark, I wouldn't recommend a Retay to new guy or gal. I tell them a 95, Airhawk, Leverage/ XS46U or Crosman. Maybe that new improved B3 with the composite stock, trigger safety and nice fiberoptic sights. Affordable and you tell if you're going to like this stuff first.
DEz, I prefer underlevers or sidelever.
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Wish I had came across this thread last night. I did a search and missed it. This is not sounding good at all. Debating cancelling my order.
Sounds like a disappointing trigger for sure. Is the cocking action smooth like the older ones? Is the build quality better or equal to Hatsan?
After looking at the Retay Air guns on Youtube I can't wait to get it in my hands. It may not be on par with German quality, but it sure looks sweet.
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After chatting with Mike of Valken again, it seems they are under the impression the market is there for the 135X break barrel. And not so much the 100X underlever. He called it an undercover. LOL
Personally, I think they are 180 degree off. I would think the demand would be greater for an underlever.
What say you???
I much prefer the underlever to a break barrel or sidelever. Just more natural to cock and load to me and no pivot joint with a fixed barrel. Price and weight are the reasons I have held off on underlevers and these Retay's underlevers are about the same weight and price as the break barrel. Will know more about it tomorrow.
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Got to shoot my new .177 black Retay 100X under lever. The front sight assembly is straight and smooth. I like that. Front end of the cocking lever has a small plastic spring loaded handle you pull to the rear to release the lever and also has a button on the front of the assembly to push in the release the lever. Two hand cocking for sure. Barrel and lever are flat black, not shiny. Receiver seems painted, not blued. Side stock screw are under a grey plastic inlay kind of like a CFR. Hard to get to. There's a button release on the bottom of the stock for anti bear trap like the Hatsan 155 and 100X. Has a weaver type scope rail. Weaver only. No 11mm ridge on top of the weaver like the Hatsan rail. But it is far enough back to get good eye relief with a scope without having to use an off set mount. Rear sight is similar to a Hatsan or Gamo rear sight. But raised half way up you I couldn't get my cheek low enough to get the front sight in the notch. Front post sight is to high. The knob in the bottom of the stock turns to raise and lower the adjustable cheek rest. I didn't need to raise it any. The left side of the cheek rest Is concave for a right hand shooters cheek. The other side is not. Trigger safety is in trigger guard. Push left to right for safe, right to left to fire which is perfect for a left hand shooter but awkward if you shoot right hand.
Put a Hammers 3-9X40AO mildot scope on it. Shot 4" low with scope elevation all the way up. Tried tall mounts and a X50AO scope. Didn't work so I went back to the Hammers, went to the forked tree made a little bend adjustment. Not enough to notice visually. I re-centered the scope and poi was a couple inches high and zeroed from there. Quarter to half inch groups at 25 yards.
Trigger only has first stage length adjustment. With the screw all the way in no first stage and a 5lbs pull. Three turns out first stage short and second stage is long. Predictable let off. 4lbs 5oz. Not a very good trigger. The screw is in front off the blade and scratch my finger and when trigger returns forward pinches the bottom of my finger between bottom of trigger and guard. Recoils is not to bad.
Length: 43.5"
Pull length:14.25"
Barrell length:18"
Weight: est. 6-7lbs
JSB 10.34grs domed avg 790fps
RWS 9.3 W/C 868
JSB 8.44 domed 895
JSB 7.33 W/C 962
CX 4.0 alloy 2 shots 1185/1151
Is this a good gun? Is it worth $249? Jury's still out. Taking it to a fun shoot this weekend. I'll see how it does at longer ranges.
Later, Tim.
Got My Retay finally. The receiver is anodized aluminum. That's how they offer them in red and blue receivers also. If I remember right the Barrels where Stainless Steel on the originals. Not sure if they still are. Magnet sticks to mine quite well.
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Well folks, my Amazon bargain ($86) Retay 135X/.22 arrived this PM. Double boxed and the retail box looks really nice. Unboxed it and checked the barrel (clean) and decided to run it over the chrony with the open sights. Very consistent FPS (around 770 with CPHP's) but man, where did the designers go wrong...? Did they even try to shoot this rifle? The trigger is horrible , I'd guess 12-14 lbs pull, and sounds like you are stepping on peanut shells. The open sights are useless due to the big "bump' of the adjustable cheekpiece, you can't even see the rear sight without holding the rifle at arm's length, and this is with the adjustable cheek piece all the way down. very harsh shot cycle, couldn't hit a 5x7" paper at 12 yds. Also, the leade is so loose that pellets fall out when cocking unless the rifle is pointed downward at all times. Maybe I just got a lemon, but that doesn't account for the design flaws, particularly the rear sight being invisible unless you remove the adjustable cheek rest.
I've had a streak of good luck with the Amazon specials (Norica Black Eagle and Spider) but I think I rolled craps on this one.
I received an RMA label from Amazon and this t*rd is on its way back to Amazon :(
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Well folks, my Amazon bargain ($86) Retay 135X/.22 arrived this PM. Double boxed and the retail box looks really nice. Unboxed it and checked the barrel (clean) and decided to run it over the chrony with the open sights. Very consistent FPS (around 770 with CPHP's) but man, where did the designers go wrong...? Did they even try to shoot this rifle? The trigger is horrible , I'd guess 12-14 lbs pull, and sounds like you are stepping on peanut shells. The open sights are useless due to the big "bump' of the adjustable cheekpiece, you can't even see the rear sight without holding the rifle at arm's length, and this is with the adjustable cheek piece all the way down. very harsh shot cycle, couldn't hit a 5x7" paper at 12 yds. Also, the leade is so loose that pellets fall out when cocking unless the rifle is pointed downward at all times. Maybe I just got a lemon, but that doesn't account for the design flaws, particularly the rear sight being invisible unless you remove the adjustable cheek rest.
I've had a streak of good luck with the Amazon specials (Norica Black Eagle and Spider) but I think I rolled craps on this one.
I received an RMA label from Amazon and this t*rd is on its way back to Amazon :(
That's the exact kind of accuracy I was getting from my 100X underlever back in February. I swear you could look down the barrel and it had a mirror like polish and no rifling I could see what so ever.
I could not get past how cheap the stock looked and the goofy round do nothing thing on the cast trigger like something from a toy gun. I was tempted still at theses prices cause the receiver was nicely done. The temptation soon passed. I'm just not into fixer uppers anymore. Maybe if I had a decent workspace and a little more time.
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So, are those "wood" models actually wood or just a "woodgrain finish" on the regular synthetic stock ?
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Woodgrain "look" on a cheap plastic stock.
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Well, I saw the .22 caliber 135x in woodgrain finish for $75 at Amazon today, and figured it's got to be worth that. Hopefully, I get a good one. It should be here in a week or so, at which point I'll put 300-500 rounds through it and then decide if it stays or goes.
I'll let ya know. ;)
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Latter this month at the funshoot Big Al and I are going to try to install a FRT trigger in my Retay 135x. Looks close to a Gamo or Crosman trigger. Al said he read somewhere it would work trigger.
The .177100x under lever is down to $128.
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The new 135x came today, and I sent about 100 pellets down the barrel.
Here's the rundown...
1. The trigger on mine isn't bad. It's not perfect, but I really think a little polishing with the dremel, and it'll be pretty good.
2. I have no problem using the open sites, and actually like them. Standing from 12 yards, I was consistently hitting a quarter sized spinner every time.
3. The finish is actually really good. Good enough for $250? No - if I'd have spent that, I'd have been disappointed. But, if I'd spent $150, I'd be thrilled.
4. I don't have a chrony, but it hits pretty hard. It has some pretty harsh recoil, but it's quieting down a bit the more it's shot.
5. The stock is pretty cheap. I'll see how it holds up in the freezing weather in the woods (I'm not really optimistic). That said, it's really comfortable to me, and shoulders great. I'm really hoping I'm wrong, and that it holds up.
6. I tried to mount a scope, and found that I don't have enough vertical adjustment to get within a foot. With the scope mounted, if you lay the rifle down, you can see the scope is not in line with the barrel. I'm going to try some shims first. If that won't do it, I'll bend the barrel.
So, am I going to keep it? Yeah, I think I am. I really enjoyed shooting it tonight. My only complaint is the scope issue, but it's not a deal breaker. I really like the rifle.
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Mines ok. I paid $69. The trigger isn't great. That's why Al and I are going to try the GRT trigger. I could use the open sights but I took them off and put a steel barrel weight/muzzle break on it from archer and scoped it.
The underlever I had the rear sight was mounted different and I couldn't use it but the trigger was awful. I think I sold or trade it to you. If the GRT works in the 135x I might get another 100x and GRT it.
Bought some pawn shop guns here in Lenoir cheap:
TS45 .177
Daisy 120 .177 break barrel made by Gamo. Looks like a mini Slavia
<I> Brand B3-1 in new condition
old B2 pioneer (sling swivels) with the typical made in china stamp but the brand says "Pleasure"
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After looking at it a bit more, there's no way I'm going to be able to shim the scope enough. If you look at the line on the floor in relation to the scope rail, and the barrel, you can see that the barrel dives up quite a bit.
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Okay, I may need to start a new thread but I'll start here. GTA has a history with Retay, for those of you that don't remember. Back in 2011 when we first heard of Retay airguns, we had no USA distributor. BUT, we had a couple of folks looking into becoming distributors so we were able to get a few of the 100X and 135X airguns into the country. We were asked by Retay to review them and help them adjust production to make the airguns better. We did so and never could get a distributor here still. Within the last 8 months a USA distributor has been approved and the 135X and 100X airguns have begun to flow into the country. Problem is, the quality is not there as the first models we were privileged to get our hands on.
I sent the director of marketing a message outlining my thoughts and concerns after buying one of the available 135X models. I was VERY disappointed in the backwards direction these have gone as far as quality. Oddly enough, he never responded to my message. :)
A few minutes ago I received a private message from the Retay rep. She says they are looking at reworking the X line of airguns again and wanted our input.
So, those of you that have bought and actually shot them, please post your thoughts on where improvements need to be made. Hilary says they already have plans on improving:
Sights
Trigger group to a more professional style with trigger weight and blade up/down adjustments
Cocking arm improvements
Safety rework
If you have specific ideas for improvements, please post them or send me a message. I'll compile them and send to Hilary as she requested. Let's hope this time around they improve the quality and listen to us consumers.
:)
Thanks all.
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Your list pretty much covers the bases other than the useless hunk of tin and plastic on the end of the barrel. Mine is pretty loud (first time in 19 rifles the neighbor has wandered over to ask what I was shooting) and I've seen others make the same comment so a better muzzle break along the lines of say the Hatsan QE setup??
Mine is also pretty much a beast to cock for the little fps it shows over the chrony...I honestly thought for the 2 handed cocking effort mine takes it would shoot a little faster than the 701 fps average with FTT's and 721 fps with RWS Superdomes.
Considered taking it apart to see if something is buggered inside but with no parts availability, I pretty much don't dare for now.
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First thing I noticed when I unboxed the new 135X was how cheap and hollow the stock felt. They have evidently changed the type of material they were using.
The cocking effort was high and the cycle rough.
The trigger was horrible and my trigger finger was sore after about a dozen shots.
Even with the adjustable cheek riser, I could not get a proper sight alignment, not comfortably anyway.
It kicked hard. And yep, was loud.
I WILL crack this one open as soon as I get the proper time. But I have several needing bench time and my real job is keeping me VERY busy with limited "fun" time.
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1. I would also mention that Quality control needs to be addressed. Reading through this thread, I wasn't the only one who had to bend the barrel a bit to be able to use a scope.
2. The stock is pretty cheesy. It feels great to shoulder, but my kid's daisy 880 feels more substantial (I believe the black stock different, and is the only one that actually has the soft-touch coating on it).
3. Yes, it's a harsh cycle, which the cheap plastic stock seems to amplify. I'm going to pull mine apart and tar the spring, to see if it helps.
I'm lucky that I didn't give much for it, or I'd have been really upset. I'm actually really happy for what I paid.
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The below evaluation was asked for by Sem GURAY Head of Global Sales Retay Arms in August 2016
I tested the 135X .22 in Red and found it to be a very nice looking appealing to the eye rifle. The gun that was shipped through Amazon Has a serial # 15-101298. I mounted a High Quality Bushnell Custom Scope first 2 shots were consistent but hit the target approx. 11 inches low from point of aim. I adjusted the scope 80 clicks which was the maximum adjustment of the scope and still was low impact to point of aim. The trigger is very rough and a very long pull tried to adjust but not really much difference. Loading a pellet in the just pellet is not tight in receiver and will fall out if the barrel is not pointed down when bringing the barrel back up into locking position. The recoil of the gun is very harsh almost violent and will destroy most lower quality scopes this absolutely needs to be changed as the gun is not friendly to shoot. The rubber coating is very weak and rubbed off in the handle area only after 10 shots. I am returning the gun back to the supplier as it is not fun at all to shoot and the accuracy is not at all good not matter with scope or open sights even shooting from a solid rest. After I removed the scope to return the gun I noticed that the rear mount was actually gouged from the violent force of the recoil. I have other guns Hatsans with the same scopes and mounts and I can assure you this gun is not smooth for operation. I paid $113.00 US dollars for this gun the original price was $249.00 which is a perfect price point for good quality gun that would appeal to a very large market here in the US. I just ordered another replacement today in the desert it was priced at $66.00 USD to do more testing. Is there anything that can be done to soften the recoil Hatsan uses a VORTEX Nitrogen Piston. Also, the chronograph numbers using a 14.3 grain were and average of 740 ft/sec. not even close to the original stated I read back a year ago or so when the gun was introduced in the US market.. In order for RETAY to salvage any possibility of returning to the US market there has to be major changes to make the gun more user friendly and fun to shoot. I am sorry but I told you I would give you my honest evaluation..
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Very good review honda191. I bought a 135x when Amazon had them for less than $100 but I sent it back as it was totally unshootable (the cheekpiece obscured the alignment of the open sights). I see that Amazon has them listed again for $230.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_7_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=retay+air+guns&sprefix=retay%2Caps%2C188&crid=152WWRWUVBTJ3 (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_7_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=retay+air+guns&sprefix=retay%2Caps%2C188&crid=152WWRWUVBTJ3)
There are so many quality AG's in the $200-$250 range that I can't imagine Retay will have a prayer in that market segment without major revisions in design & QC.