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bryan123
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September 22, 2021, 09:15:52 AM »
I'm very happy with my 853 from the CMP. I've been getting perfect scores in the 10 meter match and hitting the high 170/200s in the challenge match with the small Olympic targets. Amazing for a rifle that cost a shade over 100 bucks.
How far up the food chain would I need to go to achieve ever better accuracy?
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Bryan
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DT Fletcher Collection 717
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bberg7794
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September 22, 2021, 10:05:29 PM »
Bryan,
You are shooting a light rifle with a marginal trigger quite well. The raw accuracy of the rifle may not be where you find the most improvement. Improving the ergonomics, balance, and trigger may make the largest contribution to improving your scores. You will spend money, maybe a lot of money, for small, incremental gains.
Generally, a heavier rifle that fits perfectly with a light trigger, along with practice with that rifle, will improve your scores.
In my opinion, the next step up would be a Crosman Challenger 2009. They are known to have excellent accuracy. But more importantly, it has a more vertical grip, deeper forend in front of the trigger, adjustable buttplate to lower and relax your shoulder, and adjustable cheek so you can raise your sights and maintain a cheek weld. Better ergonomics contribute to one's ability to shoot a rifle well, especially in the standing position. The Challenger is light (under 7 1/2 pounds) and has a 1 1/2 pound trigger to meet the specs for Sporter Air Rifle competition.
Next, you can add a shooting coat and pants. If they fit, a coat and pants definitely allow one to relax in position by adding support and will add a few points. Shoes can make a small difference too.
After that, you would be looking at an Olympic 10 meter rifle. In addition to improved ergonomics, the 10 meter rifles can weigh just over 12 pounds. There is also adjustability in the weight distribution of the rifle. The fit achievable with the stock adjustments, extra weight and movable weight distribution, and perfect trigger that breaks in ounces....those factors and lots of training with this type of target rifle would, most likely (there are no absolutes), add points for you. There is a reason the Olympians shoot these types of rifles and have the coat, pants, and shoes.
I'm not very steady (have essential tremors) and have never been formally coached. There are lots of dedicated shooters better than I am, but I compete at club level matches and have fun at my club. I shoot a Feinwerkbau 800W and I used to shoot standing a lot. The adjustability of this rifle and extra weight help me, especially since I am tall. I shoot this rifle noticeably better than my Daisy 887 or my friend's Crosman Challenger.
Hope this helps,
Brian
P.S. Hope some silhouette shooters will chime in. They have a little different take on shooting standing than the 10 meter crowd and would have rifle recommendations somewhere between the Challenger and 10 meter rifles.
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ac12
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September 23, 2021, 01:56:00 AM »
Your 853 will do you fine.
Make sure your 853 has the trigger mod.
Work on technique and stance.
What @bberg7794 said.
- Weight is your friend. I swapped the wood 853 stock for the heavier composite 953 stock. Much better.
- Shoes. The heel of your shoe should be FLAT. If it is worn, you WILL rock. Get a pair of skateboard shoes, and ONLY use them for target shooting, so you don't wear the heel.
A COACH. IMHO and speaking from experience, that is the best investment you can make to improving your scores.
A CO2 or CA/PCP rifle will eliminate the charging effort of the 853, making is less physically tiring to shoot the rifle. But co2 and CA/PCP have a $ cost.
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bryan123
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September 23, 2021, 07:47:38 PM »
Thanks Brian and ac12,
Much to think about. Also they moved the thread from the target shooting gate to the Daisy gate. Not sure why since I'm considering the purchase of a 10m competition rifle of another brand...
I've never owned a PCP or a C02 gun. I'm comfortable with what I currently own, a SSP.
I think I read somewhere that there are high end SSP's maybe from FWB?
Anyway I did some shooting with a tight jacket and flat shoes (Chuck Taylor's) and I was able to break 180/200 with the ISSF targets so thanks so much!!
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Bryan
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bryan123
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Bryan
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chico
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September 23, 2021, 08:30:34 PM »
Hi Bryan,
some good advice and suggestions mentioned so far.
my recommendation, should you really want to pursue 10M shooting in the PCP arena, the T200 from Champion Choice may well be the best choice. although it is a shorter rifle, it is sound quality. you may want to talk to Champion Choice to determine if this rifle is too short for your stature - they are top-notch people to deal with and very helpful.
http://champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=T200
another option would be the Daisy 599.
http://champchoice.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetailOptions&item=599
talk with someone at Champion Choice - they will make great recommendations and suggestions.
we have a lot of Crosman Challenger's at Camp Perry, but i would not recommend one. their accuracy is good, but some inherent quality issues reside in them.
take your time, do your research . . . keep asking questions
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bberg7794
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September 23, 2021, 09:18:18 PM »
Bryan,
If you wish to keep it simple and avoid a pcp, you could be patient and look for a 70's to 90's vintage 10 Meter rifle.
Feinwerkbau 300S-Universal, Diana 75, Walther LGR, Feinwerkbau 600, 601, 602. There is also the Anschutz 2002 Super Air. They were all top of their game when they were new and have all the accuracy one would need. Some are very adjustable.
There was a 300S-Universal for sale yesterday on American Airguns Classifieds, but it is gone today. There was a Diana 75 on Airgun Warriors earlier in the week, but it is gone too. I just bought a 300S-Universal a couple weeks ago. They have a very dedicated following. I shot a borrowed Diana 75 for a 60-shot match once and it was sweet. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the rifles I listed above.
Brian
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bberg7794
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September 23, 2021, 09:43:08 PM »
Sorry-double post.
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ac12
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September 24, 2021, 04:40:52 PM »
While a spring match rifle is nice, and fun to shoot, for shooting accuracy, I would skip it and go to SSP or compressed gas. Not having a large moving mass (piston and spring) makes them easier to shoot accurately.
If you CANNOT find a rifle coach, the next best thing that I can think is a book:
- "Air Rifle Shooting" by MEC. And the earlier "Ways of the Rifle." I have both books.
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