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Title: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Wild Onion on August 01, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on August 02, 2012, 01:22:55 AM
Wow, cool to know. Hard to believe something like that passed in IL. I've had an FOID for 20+ years but I think this a good thing.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tpatner412 on August 02, 2012, 02:09:22 AM
I just about crapped myself when I got the email from PA today.  What a fantastic idea from the folks in our very own IL government.  I am a happy tax payer today.  Tomorrow, well we shall see.....LOL
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 02, 2012, 11:42:11 AM
WOW and Congrats to Ill. legislation for some common sense.
I know you guys are happy... 
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 02, 2012, 12:19:22 PM
WHEN? WHEN? WHEN??

This is GREAT news! Is there an official act or link so I can take it to BassPro on Saturday? They required one (for which I applied, but it's not in the mail yet)

Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 02, 2012, 12:29:53 PM
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776 (http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776)

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


YESSS!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 05, 2012, 02:33:57 PM
Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: vadalejrfan on August 05, 2012, 02:40:09 PM
Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.
     

We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step.  jrfan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on August 05, 2012, 09:30:23 PM
We have to be just like the opposition and take it, little by little, step by step.  jrfan                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

Well said and very true.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Wild Onion on August 06, 2012, 11:57:53 AM
Huge disrespect to BassPro!
No sales assistant came up to me in 20 minutes... so I went to their desk where two assistants were chatting about some random &^^& that they did yesterday.. again, no attention to me when I was just staring at them. Finally, they don't know anything about this IL ACT . The printout from the internet did not help (he read it three times, and I specifically pointed to the "EXCLUDING 0.18" etc part) , and I did not get my AG.

*sigh* Did you talk with a manager? They would be able to make the call easier, or at least contact the right guy in the corporate office to get their store policy changed and communicated. Tell them they are gonna lose business to wally world if the don't keep up on the laws.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 06, 2012, 12:00:09 PM
I was a bit too perturbed to stay there any longer, so I left.. :) I should have talked to the manager tho, you are right
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: bodybag0 on August 06, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776 (http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776)

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue.  Help me to understand.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 06, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
The quote in my response is not 100% correct, as some words in the original Act are cross out. Please refer to the original IL Act.

Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Wild Onion on August 06, 2012, 07:22:54 PM
I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 06, 2012, 07:25:32 PM
I believe, your interpretation is correct.
Now - try to persuade stupid BassPro so-called assistants :)
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 06, 2012, 07:26:44 PM
http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776 (http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0776)

Quote:
""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors;
        (1.1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels breakable paint balls containing
    washable marking colors;"


YESSS!

I've read this a few times and to me it looks like the .177 over 700 fps is still a issue.  Help me to understand.
Yes, as you are reading the existing law, before change...the 700fps was always the stickler in the existing law.
If the law is now changed, the 700fps restriction is removed.
Hope this helps.  Mike
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 06, 2012, 07:29:14 PM
I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on August 07, 2012, 01:19:28 AM
I interpret the link as:
The rule was AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal AND less than 700 fps.
The rule is now AGs are considered firearms excluding .177 cal OR less than 700 fps.

So, now any .177 cal AG doesn't need a FOID. Also, any AG with a max velocity of less than 700 fps doesn't need a FOID no matter the caliber. Am I reading that right? I just realized the "or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 fps" part today. Time to get the .50 cal Dragon Claw PCP!!! 200 FPE will take out a small deer!!!!!

LOL.   Buy it!!!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Wild Onion on August 07, 2012, 11:08:33 AM
I think that the size restriction of .18 or less will still apply.
A .20, .22, .30, etc would still require FOID

Even if it's under 700 fps?
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 07, 2012, 11:19:22 AM
Yes.  As these calibers were never in the exempt list, since they are OVER the .18 limit.  Remember;  You had to meet BOTH  requirements for exemption under the old law...SPEED & SIZE

I think the smartest thing about this change in the law, was to eliminate the speed requirement, and just state that anything under .18 is exempt.  Too hard to enforce the fps rule, and a source for much controversy.  Plus, the benefit of new revenue due to expanded sales taxes now. Makes sense to me.

But still...the limitation of .18 stands.  Simple and Clear IMO.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bobbo on August 07, 2012, 12:01:46 PM
"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which 
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action 
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding, 
however: 
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or 
    B-B gun which either expels a single globular projectile 
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or and which has a 
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or 
    breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors
;


NOTE: The strike outs and underlined "or" are in the link. I did not add them for stress.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 07, 2012, 12:44:17 PM
Well heck. I went back to the HB4063 and re-read it.    Guys, it does in fact, look like ANY caliber under 700fps is exempt. :D
Here's the link to the history of the bill and specific wording:
http://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4063&GAID=11&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=63317&SessionID=84 (http://ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=4063&GAID=11&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=63317&SessionID=84)
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 07, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it more.  I retract my credit to the legislation for common sense.  Seems to me that they transferred the fps problem from 1 caliber,  and put it on ALL the other calibers.   A new can of worms?  Seems like 1 step forward and 2 steps back for the folks in the enforcement division.
How fast can PCPers turn pressure in the field??? :D ;)
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: bodybag0 on August 07, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Guys to me it looks like anything that shoots over 700fps and .18 is a firearm.  So if my disco in .177 is shooting 1000fps, that means its a firearm because its shooting over 700fps.
To me it looks like nothing has changed.   The new law says "not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a 
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second "

Please help me to see what your seeing :o
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 07, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
Here's an extract from a NEW law:

""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second"

The keyword of a new law is "excluding, however...". I.e. any AG below 0.18 is NOT a firearm no matter what it's FPS is.
A combination of > 0.18 and < 700 FPS (that Dragon Claw) is still blurry to me :)

But I want my 0.177 and those idiots at our local BassPro do not agree with a State Public Act :( :'(
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bobbo on August 07, 2012, 05:49:36 PM
Guys to me it looks like anything that shoots over 700fps and .18 is a firearm.  So if my disco in .177 is shooting 1000fps, that means its a firearm because its shooting over 700fps.
To me it looks like nothing has changed.   The new law says "not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a 
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second "

Please help me to see what your seeing :o

bodybag0, you are correct in that anything over .18 AND 700fps is a firearm. However, EITHER under .18 OR under 700fps exempts the gun from being a firearm, so since your .177 is NOT over .18 it is exempt.

Here's an extract from a NEW law:

""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second"

The keyword of a new law is "excluding, however...". I.e. any AG below 0.18 is NOT a firearm no matter what it's FPS is.
A combination of > 0.18 and < 700 FPS (that Dragon Claw) is still blurry to me :)

But I want my 0.177 and those idiots at our local BassPro do not agree with a State Public Act :( :'(

This is clearer if you re-write it as two separate statements.

NOTE: THIS IS MY REWORDING AND IS NOT IN THE LAW!!!

""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) (a)any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or
             (b)any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second"


So, either (1)(a) or (1)(b) qualifies as not a firearm.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 07, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
bodybag0.    The change is to define what is "excluded".  It is a bit confusing if you don't bear in mind that you're looking for "exclusions".    The last 2 words in the main paragraph tells the tale..."excluding, however": ,,,,then read subparagraph (1) that starts defining those "exclusions" to the FOID requirement.
No  .177 air rifle requires FOID.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 07, 2012, 08:56:12 PM
It looks to me that all local sporting goods stores (OK, except Dick's, that doesn't have my BlackHawk) are managed by stubborn guys that don't know how to read! Even a specialized gun shop manager read the new law today in front of me three times and did not understand it (or did not want to understand it)... Feel my pain? I just might order from the internet ... 
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 08, 2012, 08:42:10 AM
I'd order it as well then.  Free shipping thru P.A.  or  AGD by the time you order a few pellets.  Both are good Vendors.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 08, 2012, 08:54:28 AM
P.A. doesn't have BlackHawk in stock either :(
I'll try AGD may be
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 08, 2012, 09:30:46 AM
AGD has them.  Shipping on them should be around $16.00.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on August 08, 2012, 03:31:24 PM
Here's an extract from a NEW law:

""Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
        (1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second"


The keyword of a new law is "excluding, however...". I.e. any AG below 0.18 is NOT a firearm no matter what it's FPS is.
A combination of > 0.18 and < 700 FPS (that Dragon Claw) is still blurry to me :)

I think the key word in the bold part is "or". It took me a bit to understand but I take it as <0.18" or less than 700 FPS. So any FPS in .177 works and anything bigger than that must be less then 700 FPS.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: FerrumB5 on August 08, 2012, 10:55:40 PM
I apologize in advance for double posting (first time in like 12 years in many may forums), but.. I really lost my patience with this IL law! Lots of words below...

My question to IL residents - if I get an AG off the web, and don't have a FOID - what does it mean for me? no shooting? no transporting? no possession? (P.S. ow would they distinguish between a 1000FPS blackhawk and de-forced 495 FPS one anyways? ;))


OK, Ladies and Gents.. My patience has come to an end finally.. I went to every single sporting goods store and specialized gun stores around Naperville and Aurora, State of stupid Illinois AG laws! Out of (count now!): Gander, Dick's, BassPro, Sports Authority, Cabelas, JR Shooting, numerous Walmarts, local gun stores, etc - only BassPro has Ruger Blackhawk in stock at the store. NONE of them (except Dick's! Thank you!) acknowledge the new IL Firearms ACT, although I sure had the printout with me and the ASSistants and managers read it numerous times as well... Some stores have Airhawk in wooden stock, which I don't want as the synthetic stock is much more durable and casted better than carved wood.
I think I spent a good $50-70 on gas just to do the driving around.. for nothing.

Internet stores saga:
-- P.A. - great store, great price, doesn't have my RBH in stock now :( sad
-- AGD - great store, OK price, shipping is like $18
-- many others: ok price, bad shipping
-- Dick's online: BAD price! (139.99 yep), but free shipping + 20% off for orders of over $150 - just throw in a tin of CPHP (it's crosman premier hollow point, ain't it?) for 12.99 and the total order becomes $122 or so... AND NO FOID!

Sorry for many words, but it's like I'm buying a nuclear bomb or strategic B-1 bomber - c'mon man!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: aack73 on August 08, 2012, 11:01:52 PM
i like that interpretation better. ;D

Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 09, 2012, 10:57:03 AM
I here ya.  At $4.00/gallon, it sure doesn't take long to eat up the shipping costs by running back and forth.  If you have a problem, AGD sends you a FEDEX label for returns.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: vadalejrfan on August 14, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
An airgun is only excluded from being a firearm, if it is smaller than .18 dia bore and has a muzzle velocity of "less then 700 FPS"
Any airgun larger than .18 or has a muzzle velocity of over 700 FPS is concidered a firearm there for require a FOID card.

This means you can buy a Daisy lever action BB gun in Illinios with out a FOID card.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: aack73 on August 14, 2012, 09:51:11 PM
An airgun is only excluded from being a firearm, if it is smaller than .18 dia bore and has a muzzle velocity of "less then 700 FPS"
Any airgun larger than .18 or has a muzzle velocity of over 700 FPS is concidered a firearm there for require a FOID card.

This means you can buy a Daisy lever action BB gun in Illinios with out a FOID card.

i think you may have misinterpreted the new changes.? ;D
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bullit on August 15, 2012, 09:20:44 AM
Yes, that is how the previous law read.  It is a little tricky.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: William on February 20, 2015, 06:29:15 PM
As long as it is .18 cal. and smaller it does not matter how fast it shoots- it is NOT A FIREARM>
As long as it is SLOWER than or equal to 700 FPS then any caliber even a .50 cal. - is NOT A FIREARM.

IF it is FASTER than 700 FPS in anything above .18 cal. it IS A FIREARM.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on February 20, 2015, 07:17:07 PM
Zombie thread!!!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: captain hobo on December 27, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
I recently bought a Crosman 2100 at a local Walmart in Chicago suburb area. They had a decent selection that surprised me as things are turning anti-gun in these areas. The box for the Crosman said 800fps, and they didn't ask for FOID Card. As the the guy rang up on the register, I saw that it asked if the buyer was 18 years old. He didn't ask for an ID, as I am in my 50's. He joked a bit about shooting squirrels, but that is not what I do. Just aluminum cans. My dog keeps the squirrels away!

The point of my post is that the gun is .177 cal and 800 fps and no FOID required at Walmart.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: james on December 27, 2015, 01:58:34 PM
Illinois shooters can now buy any fps .177-cal. airguns...no FOID!
Public Act 097-0776 has just passed the IL state legislature, and they no longer care how fast your gun goes (as long as it's .18 cal. or smaller).

Previously any caliber AG 700 fps or over needed a FOID card. I think .22 cal AG still needs a FOID.-- WOO HOO! I used to live in Illinois.Congratulations on your victory(I mean all Illinois shooters)I still have my old FOID. ---I use my modified daisy buck for cans.(NO more power but a improvised peep /ghostring rear sight and yellow front blade witha Red ryder stock.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: james on December 27, 2015, 02:06:21 PM
It looks to me that all local sporting goods stores (OK, except Dick's, that doesn't have my BlackHawk) are managed by stubborn guys that don't know how to read! Even a specialized gun shop manager read the new law today in front of me three times and did not understand it (or did not want to understand it)... Feel my pain? I just might order from the internet ...
---He is covering his butt. The postmaster here in my town insisted I had to have a  red ryder ,shipped from my former state sent to a licensed firearm dealer as it could be easily converted to a firearm.At least that is what he believes. He  also is covering his butt. Let us face facts Illinois like a both Chicago baseball teams creates a vaccum.( but at least the SOX won the World series in 2005)Chicago has a lot of pull in Illinois and it has a very antigun Mayor in Rahm Emmanuel who will fight liberalization of Illinois gun laws tooth and nail.I do not hesitate to call him elitist.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Gipper on December 27, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
Actually you can legally buy ANY air weapon with a max velocity of 700fps.  If the caliber is larger that .18 it cannot exceed 700fps.  Smaller than .18 no longer has any speed restrictions.  Seems kind of weird though as I cannot legally buy a .22 that shoots at 900fps BUT I can buy a .50 cal that shoots 680fps!! (Dragon Claw)

Here is the text from the legislation that defines what a "Firearm" is and is NOT.

"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
 
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;

 The big change is it used to say it could not exceed .18 inch in diameter or exceed 700 feet per second. If it did either it was considered a firearm.

Gipper (FOIDLESS in Illinois)
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on December 27, 2015, 03:22:23 PM
Actually you can legally buy ANY air weapon with a max velocity of 700fps.  If the caliber is larger that .18 it cannot exceed 700fps.  Smaller than .18 no longer has any speed restrictions.  Seems kind of weird though as I cannot legally buy a .22 that shoots at 900fps BUT I can buy a .50 cal that shoots 680fps!! (Dragon Claw)

Here is the text from the legislation that defines what a "Firearm" is and is NOT.

"Firearm" means any device, by whatever name known, which
is designed to expel a projectile or projectiles by the action
of an explosion, expansion of gas or escape of gas; excluding,
however:
 
(1) any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or
    B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile
    not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a
    maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second;

The big change is it used to say it could not exceed .18 inch in diameter or exceed 700 feet per second. If it did either it was considered a firearm.

Gipper (FOIDLESS in Illinois)

I don't see the difference between to two bold parts.   :-[
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Gipper on December 27, 2015, 04:50:44 PM
Sorry if how I posted it caused any confusion.  The old law basically said any air rifle:
That was larger than .18 in caliber and/or exceeded 700fps was considered a firearm.
So basically you were rerstricted to .177 guns with a max velocity of 700fps

The new law says that to be considered a firearm:
The rifle must be larger than .18 in caliber and exceed 700fps.
So now .177 caliber guns no longer have ANY fps limits,  but larger than that is restricted to 700fps.

Now the CITY of CHICAGO may have additional restrictions,  I do not know.

I hope that is clearer.

Gipper
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on December 27, 2015, 05:32:22 PM
I had considered that. But here in the state of "whatever is not specifically allowed is automatically illegal", I would not want to become the test case. I think the whole regulation of airguns thing defies common sense, even big bore. What are you going to do, go psycho and pull off three quick shots before a refill? Be the guy who wants to be a target by wearing a large pressurized cylinder on his back?

I will stop right there and refrain from further comments on this line, I don't want to burn your thread down. :-)
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on December 27, 2015, 06:42:26 PM
Thanks Gipper. Your post wasn't confusing, the goofy laws here are.

Totally agree Mark, I'll have to bite my tongue too or it would be an epic rant.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on December 27, 2015, 07:17:39 PM
Speaking of .177, I need to go downstairs and make some holes for the GTA 10m online match!!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: dixonsnyder on January 24, 2016, 11:25:08 AM
It's illinois. Would anything make sense coming out of Springfield? Just bring your lawyer and a couple of Supreme Court justices with you when you want to buy an AG.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Neuespitz on March 30, 2018, 01:52:12 AM
Sad commentary on Illinois law and lawmakers.   😒
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on March 30, 2018, 12:53:24 PM
A current bill in IL Senate, SB2583, would remove airguns from the FOID list entirely, they would no longer be considered firearms. I got a call from Senator McCanns lawyer yesterday. He is going to clarify some wording in the bill so it can be submitted to proceed. It is currently sitting in judiciary committee.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on March 30, 2018, 12:53:45 PM
Oops, double post
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Tater on March 30, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
Oops, double post

It's such exciting news it was worth posting twice.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: archellas on March 30, 2018, 01:11:41 PM
Ok, I reread the ACT and saw the crossed out lines, and read most of the posts again, and I still don't get the negations ..... just stupid me ... still trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: JayV21 on April 03, 2018, 11:13:38 PM
Going to keep my fingers crossed. We realy need this.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Taso1000 on April 03, 2018, 11:56:13 PM
TJ,

The last wording is that any .177 caliber air rifle will always be considered an air rifle even if it shoots 4000 fps.

Any caliber air rifle above .177 and shoots faster than 700 fps is considered a firearm. 

So basically if you could figure out how to shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle at 699 fps it would be considered an air rifle. A .22 air rifle shooting at 701 fps is considered a firearm.

So then comes the interpretations by law enforcement etc.  Many municipalities don't allow discharging firearms withing their boundaries.  would they charge you with discharging that .22, 701 fps air rifle as a firearm?  If you had an ldc on that .22 would it now be considered a firearm with a silencer that falls under NFA laws?

It then becomes tricky and up to interpretation by law enforcement.  I would err on the side of caution and not put myself in that situation.

There is new legislation trying to be passed where all air powered rifles and hand guns are exempt from firearm laws.  It is still in the early stages.

Taso

Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: archellas on April 04, 2018, 12:52:52 AM
TJ,
So basically if you could figure out how to shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle at 699 fps it would be considered an air rifle. .
Taso

Taso,
Let's get specific with wording here .....you said: "shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle" ..... rather you mean: "shoot a bowling ball with AIR" as long as it is UNDER 700fps, it is OK??

I'm getting a bowling ball tomorrow, new project in the works !!!!!!! LOL  ;) ;D ;D ;D

Kali anastasi!

Cheers
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: mobilemail on April 04, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
TJ,

The last wording is that any .177 caliber air rifle will always be considered an air rifle even if it shoots 4000 fps.

Any caliber air rifle above .177 and shoots faster than 700 fps is considered a firearm. 

So basically if you could figure out how to shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle at 699 fps it would be considered an air rifle. A .22 air rifle shooting at 701 fps is considered a firearm.

So then comes the interpretations by law enforcement etc.  Many municipalities don't allow discharging firearms withing their boundaries.  would they charge you with discharging that .22, 701 fps air rifle as a firearm?  If you had an ldc on that .22 would it now be considered a firearm with a silencer that falls under NFA laws?

It then becomes tricky and up to interpretation by law enforcement.  I would err on the side of caution and not put myself in that situation.

There is new legislation trying to be passed where all air powered rifles and hand guns are exempt from firearm laws.  It is still in the early stages.

Taso

A lot of jurisdictions also have ordinances specifically banning the use of airguns in city limits.  Check local laws before engaging the bowling ball accelerator!!
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Taso1000 on April 04, 2018, 11:24:52 AM
TJ,
So basically if you could figure out how to shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle at 699 fps it would be considered an air rifle. .
Taso

Taso,
Let's get specific with wording here .....you said: "shoot a bowling ball with an air rifle" ..... rather you mean: "shoot a bowling ball with AIR" as long as it is UNDER 700fps, it is OK??

I'm getting a bowling ball tomorrow, new project in the works !!!!!!! LOL  ;) ;D ;D ;D

Kali anastasi!

Cheers

Ruh Roh TJ!!!  Watch out North Side squirrels!   ;D  You're gonna need a rifled barrel to get some accuracy out of your bowling balls.  Accuracy over power TJ!  Plus you don't want to be aiming at a squirrel brain and hit your neighbors car instead.  That wouldn't be good!   ;D

Eπίσης!

Taso
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Neuespitz on April 16, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
Just like the private sale law that requires a backgroun check in Illinois, the end of the law it states may or may not be enforced. For real. They are steering towards law enforcement deciding the law instead of the law being a law. Nothing new here. No clarity.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Bobbo on January 05, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
If you had an ldc on that .22 would it now be considered a firearm with a silencer that falls under NFA laws?
I realize this is an old, old thread, but I wanted to respond to this so any future searches will have this information.

NFA is federal. No city, county, or state law will affect it. The state considering an air rifle as a firearm is not going to trigger a federal violation. The feds still consider an air rifle as a non-firearm. That being said, if the STATE has laws on the books about "silencers," as they refer to them, you may be in trouble there.
Title: Re: No FOID needed for ANY .177 cal AG
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 05, 2019, 11:09:32 AM
New Jersey is very specific about silencers on air guns whether add on or built into the barrel shroud they are definitely against the law. In NY they are ok for casual shooting but a no no for hunting.