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VaporTrail
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H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 23, 2018, 09:03:03 PM »
So I have a Gamo Magnum .22, and haven't had any fitment issues until I purchased a tin of piledrivers. I planned on using these for hunting, but much to my chagrin...they didn't fit in the barrel. The domed part of the head would go in fine, but as soon as the middle part hit the breach, it wouldn't go any further.
Now I also ordered some Sniper Magnums and those fit just fine and dandy. Zero fitment issues. I found that rather confusing as it is also a .22 pellet...even more confusing seeing as to how it came from the same company.
Last night I decided to try and see if maybe the pellet would fit with some black magic (read: fingernails). After scraping off about .05 of a mil all around the head and about a 1/4 into the waist area, PRESTO! It went in! Uh oh...I didn't do the same for the rear of the pellet. Great...now I have to get a clearing rod and push it out. Then I decided to just push in the rest (about 1/4) of the pellet. It took a small rod placed in the hollow of the end of the pellet with a little force, but it went it. Now I was scared that it might jam, but it seemed to discharge just fine.
So there's no way that I'm repeating that fiasco. It says it's a .22 pellet, but it doesn't fit in my .22 break barrel. I'll be pulling the trigger on my first PCP (I'm really looking at the Flash. Or possibly the Flashpup), and I'm wondering if I'm going to come across those fitment issues again.
I want to use heavy pellets to maximize accuracy and FPE, and these were supposed to "fit" the ticket. Only they're not fitting.
Is there something I'm missing about these pellets?
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #1 on:
August 24, 2018, 12:47:31 AM »
I'm hoping that Trenier starts selling the super heavy .177's because they really are a pleasure to deal with IMO. Right now my only option is PA.
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 24, 2018, 03:04:11 AM »
Never heard of Treneir...guess I'll look into them. PA is ok...but the shipping out to here is just a tad hard pill to swallow.
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Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 24, 2018, 08:01:44 AM »
aren't piledrivers "pcp only?"
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VaporTrail
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 24, 2018, 09:45:08 PM »
Yes, it does say PCP only. I'm wondering if it's because of the weight of the pellet. Or do PCP barrels have slightly larger inner diameter barrels as opposed to break barrels?
If its because of power, then I think I should have that base covered. My Magnum has shot out 14.3 Crosman and Benjamin pellets at higher velocities than some PCPs do right out of the box. The Urban, Gauntlet and Stormrider to name a few. Less than 50 FPS off of the Marauder stock velocities. :confused:
I admit I'm a newbie to PCPs (I don't even have one yet), but is there that much a difference between the barrels? Of the same caliber?
Help...
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Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 24, 2018, 10:26:53 PM »
We sell 17 cal slugs that load much easier
Nielsen specialty ammo
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VaporTrail
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 27, 2018, 10:15:04 PM »
Thanks Nick. I just placed an order with you.
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Guam, USA
Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
Wayne52
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 28, 2018, 12:25:59 AM »
Quote from: nielsenammo on August 24, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
We sell 17 cal slugs that load much easier
Nielsen specialty ammo
I should probably get some of them from you Nick because my DAR177 simply loves the heavy stuff, I'll bet that it would be really deadly with some slugs for sure.
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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August 28, 2018, 12:55:45 AM »
I will ask Ron this weekend if they have a .177 DAR, the guys bought 5 of those rifles but not sure what calibers they are. Funny SG won't ship to California so the guys ship to my shop in Arizona and I bring back the guns. I never looked in the boxes so not sure the calibers they bought.
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My current airguns (always changing):
45 Texan, 35 Texan, Recluse, Wolverine 303, AF Condor 257 by Doug Noble, Cricket 25 @67 ft lbs, Condor 25, Condor 22, Wolverine 22 HP 63 ft lbs, FX Indy 22, Wolverine .177, Condor .177, BSA R10 177, AA 177 and more, Bauer Oceanus
VaporTrail
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 04, 2018, 12:13:22 AM »
Nick, it appears the package has arrived...or at least, it should be on my doorstep when I get home from work. I'm stoked to try 'em out!
Thanks again for an awesome transaction!
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Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #10 on:
September 04, 2018, 05:27:03 PM »
I have a few tins of Piledrivers in .177 cal. On every one I've measured, the widest spot is by far the ring on the head. Are the .22 Piledrivers shaped differently? Are you sure you don't have a long chamfer on the breech and it's stopping when the head reaches the bore?
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 04, 2018, 06:32:48 PM »
Quote from: selittle on August 24, 2018, 08:01:44 AM
aren't piledrivers "pcp only?"
+1 EXACTLY
Maybe you should try the 32g Eun Jin & wonder why they don’t work too.
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 04, 2018, 07:52:46 PM »
Last month I brought a tin of .22 Piledrivers from Germany. In anticipation of that PCP, when I find the right one...
I measured 10 of them with a digital slide rule -- but I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, I'm new to this. I just put the pellet between the calipers and read the numbers. But when I pressed the calipers together a little harder I had a variation for the same pellet as much as 5.57–5.67mm = .2195"–.2232"
So, maybe I just don't know how to use a slide rule (it cost 17$, is that quality enough?).
Here are the numbers, sorted:
mm inches
5.56 .2190
5.57 .2190
5.57 .2195
5.57 .2190
5.58 .2195
5.59 .2200
5.59 .2200
5.59 .2200
5.60 .2205
5.62 .2215
Also noteworthy. I found not one, not two, but three different versions of the H&N Piledrivers, version 1 through 3 (see pics*):
30.00gr | 29.17gr | 29.94gr
(Mine is version 2.)
*(After posting the otherwise very clear photos I have to say that the quality is really low now, you can hardly read the pint on the tins.... Is this normal that forum photos come out so poorly? Is there anything I can do about this?)
The BC's that different people measured with this pellet are simply astonishing.
The lowest I found is 0.072, but most are in the high 80s and even 90s. Easily 3 times better than most other pellets.
I was intrigued by this and other high BC pellets (the Sniper line), and found that the inventor was Hugh Earl (owner of Prometheus Pellets/ Pax Pellets). He sold his company to H&N, so we get to enjoy these gems even after his semi-retirement.
VaporTrail, I hope these pellets work out for you (try some of the not so thick ones?). Maybe you did get a tin from a bad batch, they had some production problems some time ago I heard in a review on YouTube.
And I hope I will get a PCP soon so I can try them out!
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #13 on:
September 04, 2018, 08:36:49 PM »
Sure sounds like way too much change in reading for a single pellet measurement. You weren't pressing hard enough to actually deform the head possibly? I'd check the caliper on something hard like a bolt shank or nail and see if you note that much change.
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VaporTrail
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #14 on:
September 04, 2018, 10:32:39 PM »
bandg - yep...that's exactly where it stops in the breech (or breach?). The band is what prevents it from going all the way in. From what I've seen, the .177 PDs are longer and more slender. The .22 PDs are shorter and wider. Still puzzled.
Habanero69er - I'm not sure if your post is sincere or facetious. Are Eun Jinn pellets PCP only as well? The only legitimate reason why I can see the pellets being advertised as "PCP only" is the weight. Standard pumpers or break barrels may not be able to push them out of the barrel due to lower velocity numbers. If that's the case, then the "PCP only" label may be erroneous? Post #5 of this thread addresses this concern. And if it still remains "PCP only", then what about the lower powered PCPs? The Urban, Maximus and the Stormrider to name a few. The Magnum is producing higher velocities than all those guns in stock form. So if that's the case, because they're PCPs, will they be able to push out this pellet based solely on that? If the concern is power, the Magnum has that in a decent amount. So what will be the next issue, I wondered? Would it be barrel I.D.? Would a PCP have a bigger I.D. barrel than a break barrel, allowing them to use this pellet? Still very confused.
I've heard about the Eun Jinn pellets...so I'll probably snap up a box and try them out as well. Or is there some black magic surrounding these PCPs? Please enlighten me. I was so bummed when the wouldn't fit and then absolutely confused when the Sniper Magnums fit. Same company, same caliber.
JungleShooter - where did you find those versions? All I saw in my search were the 30 grains. If there's a slightly thinner one, I think that may just work! I'd be real appreciative if you could send me a link. And on an interesting note, there was another person who tried these in their PCP, and guess what happened? Yep...they had a hard time loading them as well. What devilry is this?
bandg - Every time to tried to load, it would stop right after the head. It's that devious band, I tell you! I don't want to force it in...that would leave so much lead in the barrel.
Thanks everyone for their replies!
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Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #15 on:
September 05, 2018, 04:10:41 AM »
Facetious. Sorry.
There aren't too many springers that can push a 30g + pellet without the trajectory being loopy. Not to mention some of the lower powered PCPs. Personally, I'd look for a pellet that shoots accurately first, then worry about going heavy weight. Something like the 21g H&N Baracuda Match might be a good candidate if your rifle shoots them well. They are available in three sizes, 5.51, 5.52, & 5.53.
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 05, 2018, 04:53:05 AM »
Turn it around and put it in backwards. My Hatsan 125 .177 has little if any chamfer and the pellet will fall right to the ridge on the dome if placed in backwards-no contact on the pellet other than the ridge. Might answer some questions, might not.
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 05, 2018, 10:04:18 AM »
Shortcut = 'contact' directly HN
https://www.hn-sport.de/en
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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September 05, 2018, 01:55:05 PM »
VaporTrail,
unfortunatley web sellers are not real good about updating their webpages when one of their product specifications changes. They might show the weight and the photo of version 1, but selling version 2. So, unless you
talk to someone in the warehouse to read you the weight off an actual pellet tin
, it's guesswork (you could ask on the forum who got a certain weight and where they got it, and how long ago).
And when it comes to pellets, our dear
manufacturers are even less forthcoming when it comes to changes in their pellet specifications
. They change not only the die and don't tell us about it (JSB used to be better about that). They also change the weight of their pellets, without any warning or announcement. The customer just discovers one day (or never!) that the grain number in ChairGun isn't the same as the one printed on the pellet tin. JSB's Monster at least rated a "Redesigned" on the tin (maybe because version 1 had gotten such bad reviews that they needed to make sure customers knew of the change?).
You're trying to find a
thinner
pellet – but if you get a
lighter
pellet that might still be the same thickness because the reduced the weight elsewhere... The version I have is the lightest of the three – but also it is version 2, so not the latest....
I checked the websites of my fav sellers in the US, but you are right, they all advertise 30gr, not the newer, lighter weights.
I found some sellers overseas, but they all what a lot of money for shipping (or it’s free, but then the tin costs 29$, ouch). One in Portugal sells a pack of 4 for 58$, free shipping to the US.
The Ebay ad is titled as follows: “H&N PILEDRIVER .22 5.50mm Airgun Pellets 4(tins)x150pcs FAC HUNTING SUPER HEAVY” (sorry, I can’t post external links yet, newbee).
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Re: H&N .22 Piledrivers
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Reply #19 on:
September 05, 2018, 08:58:57 PM »
Habanero69er - Not to worry and thank you. I am curious to see how much drop in velocity the piledrivers will cause in the Magnum. I ordered some 28gr boattails from Nick at NSA...and the chrono showed 645. I'd like to run another test on them...the daylight was almost gone when I shot over the Chrono, so for the time being I'll excuse Maggy. As for accuracy, when I first got her, she was a tad pellet picky. The only pellet that showed some semblance of accuracy were the CPUM domes and the RWS Super Points. Fast forward to nearly 2500 pellets later, and she shoots just about everything I feed her with pleasant accuracy. 7 different pellets at 22 yards gave me a nickel-sized hole in my Dirty Bird target with the only exception being a left side flier that opened up that particular grouping by about an 8th of an inch. CPUM Domes are accurate, but inconsistencies result in consistent fliers. The Sniper Magnums are scary accurate...I've put three in the same hole and in a 7 shot group there's about +/- 1/16" variances. I attribute that to breathing and pull; be it either shoulder or trigger. Looks like it's time to order some Barracudas now..as well as run some accuracy and velocity tests on the 21 and 28gr NSA slugs.
bandg - your idea worked!! I was absolutely tickled when I put in backwards and voila!! it dropped right to the dome! Now I had pull the coin trick ala mpbby, but it ended up going into the breech. It was a little tight and I was a bit concerned it would jam, but it came out just fine. Next I need to shoot it over the chrono and see what numbers it gives out. It appears there is hope yet...thanks so much!
mpbby - so order directly from H&N? I shall contact them and see if they'll send out to me.
JungleShooter - That is a crying shame. It looks like if the PD venture doesn't work out, I may have to turn to slugs. I'll take a look at that ebay link you sent me...thanks for that!
Thank you everyone for your replies!
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Guam, USA
Gamo Magnum IGT .22
Stock Bullboss .22
Bullboss .25 (sold)
Winchester 70-35 (Legendary Edition) stolen by thankless s---s
Piatt Sumatra 2500 Long .25
Rally Version BullBoss .22
Pitbull Bulldog Carbine
Piatt Duk IL Hunting Master 2 .22
Duk IL Hunting Master RS .22
Piatt Sumatra Carbine .25 - also stolen
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