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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: darryl on February 23, 2011, 02:11:24 PM
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Hi gang (wow a whole new gate!),
I have the side-lever jones (as some of you know), and gravitate towards the .22 caliber. Bur recently I've seen two interesting RWS pieces: a 48 and a 52. Both in .177. For those who know, are these good rifles in this caliber? Or is the power plant wasted on this pellet size? I've read opinions to that affect. I know the .22 hits hard and is very accurate. I shot Gary's 48/.22. My 54 is a great shooter too.
Anyway, let the edumacation begin! ;D
darryl
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As long as you keep the velocity below transonic levels, the RWS sidelevers are awesome platforms.
I used to have a 48 .177 that was super accurate.
HTH
Rob
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IMOP the .177 is a waist in this power plant, and know the .20 or .22cal performs much better from my experiences. the shot cycle is much smoother which makes it easier to shoot, most of the .22cal I've owned shoot CPHP's supper accurate and you can buy them at WallyWorld cheap! and have lots of funn shootin your gun, the .177cal shoot better with the 10.5gr pellets but you can't buy them at WW.
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thanks for the replies fellas,
I have a line on a 52 in .177 for $271.00 shipped. I can understand using heavier pellets. I'm just having trouble making up my mind to go with that caliber, and that rifle (I know of a B30 in the same caliber that's been CDT-tuned for sale too, but I figure the 52 is a better quality rifle).
darryl
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You figure right as to quality. I keep seeing 48/52's for sale in .177. Most likely due to the owners shooting standard weight pellets. The heavier pills are what these are designed for. $271 is a good price. Did you see the link to the 48 in .177 for $200, shipped, that I posted on the DWC? Now, that was a steal. Bear in mind that you can also drop in the Vortek kit to make them even better.
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Hi RF,
I knew of the 48 being for sale, but I wasn't interested in the .177 then ( a week ago:apologies to Bluzjammer). I contacted the seller earlier today.
darryl
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I have a RWS 48 in 177 cal. I love it. It's an awesome gun. I plan to have it tuned very soon so I can see just how good it can be. Waste? I don't think so at all. In fact, that don't even make sense to me. I have guns in both 177 and 22 and like them all. Some get used for this, and some get used for that, but all get used.
Richard
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One of the first rifles I purchased was a 52 in .177. I bought that caliber because I didn't know any better. I feel now that I should have bought this particular rifle in a .22 because it's so powerful. That said, I love this gun! I use a heavier pellet (9 and 10 grain) and get excellent accuracy. I'd love to have a 52 in 20 caliber too.
Larry
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Heck Yeah it's well worth it !!!!
I'm hooked on .177 JSB Exact Heavies for my 52.
If you think you'd be "undergunned"......Look this link over.
It's a comparison of a RWS 52, shooting 24 different pellets in both .177 & .22.
http://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/ottest52.html (http://www.straightshooters.com/ourtake/ottest52.html)
Past 30 yards, Most of the .177 pellets BEAT the .22 in energy!
I Like the accuracy of my 52 for that reason...flatter downrange with Plenty of power to take fur.
To me, it's a "waste" of a powerplant when you can't get the energy out a larger projectile. Now....it would sure be nice to get a .22 scootin' downrange at 900FPS.
But Then, I'm not sure I'd like to be cocking it all day :o
Hope This Helps
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I think the RWS 48 is better in the .22. .177 is a little light for it. That's part of the reason I sold mine.
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Hey Darryl, Its been a while since you shot my 48 in .177 cal. and you have let that slip from your mind because of your awsome 54 in .22 cal. My 48 really likes the C.P. 10.5 gr pellets. I do think this power plant is a little better suited to the .22, but I still enjoy shooting it and it is a hammer.
The price you mentioned is very good for the 52 just don't tell your better half that I twisted your arm. LOL.
Gary
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Gary.... ooooh, the 54! I moved from like to loving mine. Way better than a 48.
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The 52/48 is nice in .177. My shoots best with 8.4 and up grain @ 940fps. Very accurate. My brother has the 48 .22 also a very accurate gun with 14 grain shooting 780 fps.
If you try to shoot mid to light pellets yes too much gun not enough pellet. With 8.6 H&N FFT or H&N Barracudas 10.6 tight groups are easy. ;D
Some pics for ya!
Dustin
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All I can say is that Herr Krautenhammer (my 48 .177) is a great gun, a great shooter, and an all out friggin hammer. Accurate and flat shooting.
.177 CPHP and Cros Mags knock the snot out of squirrels when I shoot them at 830 fps +/- from
Frau Blitzenkraut (my .177 HW95). And she needs a tune, due to twangyness and worn seals.
I'm a huge fan of .22 pellet guns. My first experiences with RWS sidelevers were with my friend's 48 and my BAM B30-1, both in .22.
I like them both, but the higher velocity of the .177 version gives tree rats less time to start at the shot before the pellet hits them. I tend to hit closer to where I aim with the .177.
200 fps +/- additional velocity means that the pellet hits the nutter closer to when the sound of the shot gets to them, giving them less time to jump/twitch out of the way.
When I hit them with a .177, I hit them right where I aim. When I hit them with the .22, I hit them about 1/4" or so away from where I aim. 1/4" on a squirrel can be the difference between it dropping where it's hit and it running off to die.
I am a HUGE fan of .22 airguns, but I can't argue with nutters that are DRT.
BTW, my pet names for my German air rifles are terms of endearment. I'm 1/4 German.
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well i have yet to shoot a .22 in this model, but i own a RWS 52 in .177 and love it! its not picky at all as far as pellets go, and she's a beauty to look at. she can be a handful as far as the right scope-mount-anti droop goes. it took me awhile to get a handle on the glass. currently the stock is at Rocker1's wood works getting herself prettied up ;D . and YOU KNOW what gate i'll post the pics in! ;D ....cheers Bart
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Bart my 48 shoots 850fps in 22cal w/14.3cphp's
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Bart my 48 shoots 850fps in 22cal w/14.3cphp's
whoa! thats some real pop in .22! i got my rws 52 from AOA they chrony'd it for me at 1014 in .177....bart
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thats scootin!
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Phew!!! :o :o I know I love this new gate now!! Thanks for all the additional replies. I especially appreciate the replies from the owners of the power plant in the .177 version (Gary, Bart, Jaymo, clip, amb5500c, kymike, s10gto, et al). I only hope I haven't dawdled too long. Did I mention it was a refurb I've been contemplating? That $271.00 shipped is very attractive, especially given my experience with the refurbished 54/.22 I own (yeah, Gary's spending my money for me again!). BTW, I had been long pouring over straightshooter's take on the 52 already, but thanks for posting the link, kymike. It's great info.
Also, I've read in several different places that the power plant is too much for the .177 caliber, but always there seems to be the same advice I've read in this thread already: use heavier pellets. So I appreciate the input from that perspective too. If I get the 52 (it's no longer being imported new) I'll have a rifle that will be a rarity going forward. I know it's just a fancy 48. Gary's 48 moved me off the BAM clone because it was more rifle, imo. And I really enjoyed shooting that B30. But regardless of caliber, I'll be glad to add this rifle to my little collection. Just to say it, the 54 is a great, sophisticated rifle. But sometimes it's good to have a rife that challenges me to shoot it well, and a bit of recoil doesn't hurt in that regard; one more variable (the 54 doesn't have) to manage. Spring-powered pistols offer that too.
thanks again Guys. I'll keep you posted.
darryl
PS, being a true-to-form knucklehead, if I get this rifle, I may put a Williams peep on it. I blame Gary for that thought too! I think the peep can be effective out to 30 yards with the 0.125 aperture. Then, I also have the Center Point 4x16x40 scope already mounted on the correct droop-compensating mount. I took it off the 54. ;)
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Well now I've done it. Someone told me just a few days ago that it's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission. The refurbished 52 is on the way. I hope Gary has a spare room; I'll need a place to hide out for a few months! :D If this rifle comes in the same condition as my 54 did, I'll be in great shape. ;) Now to check my supply of .177 pellets, but I think the heaviest ones I have are JSB Exacts at 8.44grn. I'll have to order some heavier ones.
darryl
Hey! when Gary gets tired of feeding me, maybe I can stay with some of you guys! When my little Death_Blossom finds out what I've done I won't be long for this neck of the woods! :o
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Gary.... ooooh, the 54! I moved from like to loving mine. Way better than a 48.
Yeah, they really spoil you don't they? I have to make myself shoot my other rifles. :D
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one of the interesting facts about the M/48 is that it has been produced in .177, .20, .22 and .25 cal.
there are very FEW side levels in the AG community and even fewer that have this characteristic
one thing I have found out on my m48's with different calibers is that the loading port will accept many brands of pellets and all with a good amount of accuracy
my favorite off all the ones I have is the M48, TO-1 trigger and in .22 cal with a Stutzen walnut wood stock made by Howie to the point that the others collect dust but not that one
warren
PS: will eventually learn to post Pic's in this forum, they are better than a thousand words
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I look forward to exploring the ins and outs of the 52. Being that I originally wanted a model in .22, the .177 offers me some variation in my collection.
Austin, the JSB Exact is not too light a pellet for this rifle? Certainly the real-life FPS with that pellet seems remarkable to me. I know the Exact to be a fine pellet, as I use it in my pistols and achieve the best accuracy for both when using it. Plus the domed head is easier for me to feed in to the breech. Since I was looking for a refurbished 48 in the first place, I don't feel too badly about buying a rifle that has been discontinued. Can't argue the price at all. I suppose it will be pretty to look at. ;)
lettercarrier1, you have all those calibers? Are they all the T01 trigger? I hope you can post a picture of that one day. The stock must be a real gem.
darryl
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I have a 177 52 and I think it is a great rifle. Its accuracy amazes me. I regularly hit targets in the 50-70 yd range and just picked off 3 red squirrels at 70 yds. I find that the jsb heavies are the most accurate but the cph 10.5 do pretty well and seem to pack a bit more punch. The jsbs fit pretty loose and the cph are very tight. Do any of you have any opinions on tight vs loose? I know that is a loaded question.
Thanx Bug
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hey bugshot,
ya got me anxiously awaiting the arrival of my 52/.177. I lost track of time and didn't get any heavy pellets ordered yet, but I'll get to it later on tonight. Too bad I can't find the .177 CPHPs at Wallyworld, but oh well. Good old PA.
Just as a wag, I'd say a heavier pellet that fits a bit loose puts less stress on the spring than one that fits snug (each term being relative here). Here's hoping the 52 uses good Krupp steel for it's spring. ;)
darryl
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thanx Darryl, The consenses seems to be tight but not too tight. I have shot the CPH a lot and finally my spring gave out. It was sort of bent. I will shoot the CPH as long as they keep knocking down the pigeons. The exact Heavies are more accurate but fit very loose in the breech.
Happy shootn B
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IMHO i dont think its wasted at all. Depends on what you do with it. I have a 350 and 470 in 177 and love them both. And your deal for 271 shipped is a steal. Id jump on it and as long as the gun in mechanical good you can throw a Vortek kit in it as mentioned earlier for less then the price of a new one. That would be an awesome shooter for about 350. thats a deal and a half.
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Yeah, I think it's a good deal too. I know I've said it before, but if the rifle arrives in the same condition as my refurbished 54 did, then I've made out pretty good. The 54 looked nearly new, with excellent metal finish except for a blemish on the cylinder cover (?). The stock was 100% too. Sadly a few compression marks from use have shown up, but nothing terrible. Still looks sweet. I'm sure once the spring fails in the either rifle, I'll replace them with a Vortek kit or whichever is best. I don't know about such products enough to make a decision just yet.
Bugshot, what spring did you use as a replacement? Oh, and how far away were you when you were whacking the pigeons?
I better get to ordering some pellets now! ;D
darryl
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I got my 48 from a pawn shop for $70.00. It has a BSA air rifle scope/rings, but was missing the rear sight and the cocking arm assy. I installed a B30 cocking arm assy and may or may not put a rear sight on it. Haven't decided whether I want to use it scoped or with iron sights.
Mine's a T05. Forget what year it was made. Either '05 or '08.
I like it. I want to tune it and install a JM full power tune kit and seals in it. If I use it scoped, I'm going to put a Leapers 3-9X40 or 50 with a one piece mount. Will either get a droop compensating mount, or will straighten the barrel.
May make a full length barrel shroud. Thinking about making one that replaces the factory trunnion at the front of the breech tube, so it will be the same diameter from the breech to the muzzle.
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Well I'm impressed with FedX. No doubt. I ordered the rifle on Thursday (24th) and it arrived today (Saturday, 26th) at 12:30:pm. I'd feel better if Umarex worked on the package stabilization a bit more, but no worse for wear. I haven't shot the rifle yet, but I wanted to take a few pictures to share with you. It seems I didn't just get the rifle, but a combo deal instead. I was not expecting to receive the scope or the mount. It's an RWS scope with adjustable AO (down to 7.5 yards, and lower). Not bad, eh?The stock and metal finish are flawless (except for those little "R"s of course). Oh, I did place an order with PA for some variously weighted pellets (10.5grn down to 7.9grn, including some JBS Exacts at 8.44grn domed). I'll probably use the lightest pellets primarily in my pistols. The rifle case I already had.
Without further verbiage from the yak-Meister, a few pictures:
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Good deal darryl
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Awesome! You are going to love it. H&N Barracuda's and H&N FTT's are super accurate in my .177 52. ;D Dustin
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Darryl
Peeps are great if you have good light & paper targets
Gets tough using them in the woods & shaded areas especially on those darker squirrels ;)
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That's cool you have the drooper mount too. My brother uses that one on his 48 .22. You will most likely need it. I used Sportsmatch adjustables. Worked out very well. Only had to make a few clicks for zero keeping the scope closes to center. Dustin
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Thanks Mark,
I've had a chance to toss a few pellets with it, using some JSB Exacts (8.44grn) I have. I haven't mounted that scope yet. I've been enjoying using the open sights. Well "enjoying" is not quite true. The notch of the rear sight strikes me as being just a bit narrow when the front post is viewed. On the other hand there is so little clearance on either side of the front post when properly aligned that the brain sees a solid shape when sighting in. It works, but almost seems counter-intuitive to me. The draw back is that you are never quite sure you've got the front post centered, so you wave it back and forth a bit. But I've got old eyes anyway. One moer thing I've found is that the rear sight can be shifted by the recoil. I found this out because I kept dialing in left windage, and it didn't seem to make as much difference as I thought it might. The I grabbed the rear sight and found some side-to-side play. The screws are tight, so not much I can do except let it take a set and use windage. Either I'll put that scope on or get a Williams peep for it. I know that will stay put. An 1/8" aperture and I'm good to go. ;)
All in all, a great rifle. Heavy, but it seems to have good balance. Gotta love those domes Exacts. The round heads makes them little pellets easy to load. I've been shooting from a rest, but I intend to shoot free style, standing up. Then I'll be in shooters' Heaven if I can get good at it. I tried some lighter pellets down to 7.1grn, but I'd be worried shooting too many of those. I've got some RWS Super-H Points but those come in at 6.8grn, and I don't think I'll try them in this rifle.
Dustin, I looked at the H&N Barracuda. I made a mental note to try them on my next pellet order. I have the 4x16 CP scope on a droop mount. I wonder if it will be a simple drop-in? It came off my 54; I just loosened the mount and took the whole unit off.
Bruiser, I'll keep your advice in mind. Maybe I won't sell that CP after all.
I'm a happy camper. I have three rifles I may sell off towards funding my next target: an RWS-460/.22.
darryl
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You are so incorrigible Darryl ;D
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I need counselling bad! ;D
darryl
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The sights are a little fat and hard to use from the factory, and if the scope that came with the rifle has a one inch tube yes your CP should drop right in!
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hey Mark,
actually the mount and the scope came off as one, so it's still mounted to the droop-compensating mount! ;D that's called thinking with my kidneys! ;)
darryl
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I need counselling bad! ;D
darryl
Don't we all ;)
Some can admit it! but some can't ;D
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I don't need a droop compensating mount. I have an 8 pound sledgehammer.
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:o :o :o :o I only use a 4lb hammer! ;D
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I have a 48 in .177, I shoot CPHP 7.9's in it, very accurate long range rifle. Sounds like it might even shoot better if I get some higher grain pellets. I have never bought anything heavier, I've been satisified with the 7.9 Crosman's, they shoot good in all my .177's, and the price is right.
KH from UT
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Darryl, you is a scourge on the forums. Always asking this and that here and there. Get yourself a side lever. No, wait. You HAVE a 54? Yeah, get a 48, too, and stick a Vortek in it. But make it a different caliber. .20 if you are so lucky as to find one. THAT is a GREAT power balance for the 48's swept volume. But you know that.................... ;)
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they say that shaft is a baaadddd muff-hugga (shut your mouth!!! :o :o :o)+(but I'm talkin about shaft!! ;D ) I have 7.9grn Crosman Destroyer EX pellets; lots of them, but I have some heavies on the way (8.44 and 10.5). I'll feed it which ever it likes the best.
RF,
How else am I going to hit 900 posts is I don't keep asking (pertinent) questions? ;) A scourge? Me? I guess that's at least one step above a pest. :'( I doubt I'll be in the market for a .20 48, though I'd love to have one. But I am lusting a 460 to compliment my TF-87.
darryl
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Darryl, congrats on the new rifle. She looks real nice from where I'm sitting. Now I gota ask, is the little woman out of town. I figure she must be since you ain't beatin on my door. LOL. I need to watch my P's and Q's I may need a hiding spot some day.
Gary
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Hi Gary,
I think she was swapped out by alien! :o . I manned up and told her, ducked reflexively, but she was good with it. ??? Calm before the storm? :D
I had thought the scope rail was mounted crooked, but further investigation, and trying a different scope revealed that the 54 I have had eaten the scope without me knowing it. I put a Bug-Buster on it last night, but I think I want to put a Williams peep with a 0.125 aperture on it. Save a little handling weight. I'll see how the Bug does, though.
Keep a bedroll handy for me. Just in case. ;)
Darryl
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You need a Dampa mount on the 54, The 2 54's I had were .22cals and they ate 5 scopes in short order!
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Mark,
I'll do a search but what is a Dampa mount? The name is very suggestive of it's purpose, were I to guess, but I;ve never heard of this sort of mount.
darryl
Edit: I found out about the Dampa mount. Thanks for the suggestion Mark. BTW, These things seem to cost 3 ga-bazillion dollars!! :o (Peep sight!)
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ya and so does replacing scopes!
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ya and so does replacing scopes!
Peep sight! :P :D
darryl
PS so far the Bug is holding up on the 52. Too early to call, of course. I had one on the 54 for a while, took it off and put it on my -87. It was still fine when I sold it (yeah, had two of 'em). Maybe Leapers just makes sturdier scopes?
Also, in going from on pellet type and weight to another, the mil-dot scope has the obvious benefit. All I need to do now is make a spreadsheet to record changes from zero-dead-on of the standard pellet to other types. I'm only shooting indoors at the moment, , but using different pellets makes it a fun challenge.
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New pellets came today. Bought some more JSB Exacts @8.44grn, but also a tin of Crosman Ulrea-Mags @10.5grn, and some CPHPs @7.9grn. I feel better with the extra weight, although the Exacts are extremely accurate too. The rifle doesn't seem to like the CPHPs too much. I have noticed that the Ultra-Mags are a very tight fit, and I am disappointed at how dirty they are. I haven't had much of a problem with the Crosmans in .22 being quite so dirty. The Exacts aren't a tight fit, but not what I'd call loose either.
Does the 52 have a choked barrel? Just curious. Also, I 'm leaning more and more towards putting a peep on this rifle. I think it's accurate enough to make me look good without a scope. ;)
darryl
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That's "mother -", not "muffa hugga". Sounds like "Do you know the muffin man?" Sheesh! Get it right, my man. And I saw Isaac Hayes in concert back in the day, brother. Shiney head and all.
Keep posting. Get enough, we'll have to inaugurate the DarrylGate. :D
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Oh the days of Hot Buttered Soul, RF. ;) But seriously, I'm loving my side lever rifles, and really liking the RWS brand. And refurbs at that. Rather be lucky than good! ;D
darryl
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Diana rifles do not have a true choked BBL. What happens is when they stamp or crimp the end of the BBl for the front sight retainer it squeezes about the last inch of BBl a little tighter than the rest of the bore and some folks think that is a choke but it is not! a true choked is mostly found from custom BBl makers like Lothar Walther. What a choke does is it sizes the pellet before it leaves the BBl, making the pellet more uniform which makes them fly truer to the target and more consistant. I have LW BBl's on some of my rifles and I can tell you theirs no comparison between a choked and unchoked BBl, why do you think TX 200's are so accurate cause they have LW BBl's in them from AA.
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Mark,
Ya couldn't just lie to me, could ya? ??? I guess those LW barrels are worth the money, but the standard RWS barrels do a nice job too. At least now I know. Thanks for answering my question (before RF chimed in! ;D ).
darryl
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Don't you find it hard loading the little 177's in the side lever. I do. I mean I'm happy I have the side levers as they are getting hard to get but they are the ones I shoot the least. Just feel they are a PITA to load.
Don't wet off the Warden now......be on solitary with bread and water....staring at a pair of gonads hangin off your trigger guard.
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Diana, HW, and others make good barrels I just was trying to inform you thats all!
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Hey Blu,
It's my experience that .22 pellets are very easy to load in to a side lever, but in .177 a bit of fiddling is required unless you're loading domes where the head goes into the hole very easy unless it's a tight fit. The Crosman Ultra_Mags seem to fit very tight for the most part; some are fairly easy to insert, so the tin I got is a mixed bag. Meanwhile I have no problem with the Crosman Premier Hollow Points fitting; they are mostly domed anyway. Also the JSB Exacts Diabolo, which are also domed, are a rather loose fit comparatively speaking here. The Ultra_Mags are so tight I wonder about using them. I think the lightest weight I'll use is the 7.9 CPHPs and the Destroyer EXs. I may have to get a thimble to help me push those UMs in there as some are quite tight. I wonder if a really tight fit will damage the hole or the piston upon discharge?
Hey Mark, consider me informed. ;) I doubt RF will take it personal that you're supplying good info here. Well... he might! ;D I really can't speak for him though.
darryl
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Hi Austin,
I just got off the phone with Ryan @ Umarex. I asked him what he thought about pellet weight in the 52/.177. He told me basically what you're (and others are) saying. He said when Umarex tests these rifles for accuracy they use the RWS Meisterkugeln pellets @8.4grn. He told me the power plant will handle heavier pellets OK, but advised not to use the ultra light pellets. I asked about 6.9grn pellets, and he thought the rifle should have no problem with them,though he did say the weight range of about 8grn to 9grn is best, in his opinion. Like us he's heard many different things about pellet weight, but said the rifles are sturdy and to just find a pellet that the rifle seems to like, and use that.
I'm having very good accuracy with the JSB Exact domes, and the Crosman Utra_Mags, though (as I've mentioned) some of those are a very tight fit. If 8.44grn is the sweet spot, then I'm good to go! Nice to know I can use the other pellets without too much worry too. Thanks for your input. Good stuff.
darryl
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darryl, I haven't been around for awhile cause I lost my net access for a minute but I'm not new here or new to AG's I've a member of this forum for a few yrs and have alot of knowledge I can share, and alot of experience with AG's, the other day you made a comment about needin some therapy! no you don't need it quite yet, you need therapy when you get like me when your spendin 2,600$ on PCP guns like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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darryl, I haven't been around for awhile cause I lost my net access for a minute but I'm not new here or new to AG's I've a member of this forum for a few yrs and have alot of knowledge I can share, and alot of experience with AG's, the other day you made a comment about needin some therapy! no you don't need it quite yet, you need therapy when you get like me when your spendin 2,600$ on PCP guns like me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa! I thought PCP was an illegal drug! :o :o You don't need therapy, Mark. You need an intervention!! ;D Looking at some of the AGs listed in member signatures here, I'd say you're in very good company. I wonder how many homeless air gunners there are on these boards? Lost everything, but won't give up their airguns. :D Fortunate for me that my little Death_Blossom keeps sort of a firm grip on the purse strings. I'm sweating trying to buy a used peep sight already. BTW, what PCPs do you have. Using a scuba tank? Longest shot made with a PCP? Most quiet PCP you own? Why did you select the ones you own?
darryl
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The rifle in question is a Theoben Rapid MK2 that was custom built by Allen Z just for me to spit 18.1 JSB's at 35ftlbs it has a fully shrouded barrel thats 20'' and fully tuned with lots of other bells and whistles I'll do a post on it here sometime soon.
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OH ya I wasn't homeless LOL I had to move some where for a short time for a job!
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OH ya I wasn't homeless LOL I had to move some where for a short time for a job!
yeah man, those rifles will drive ya to the Edgar Allen Poe house! ;D That's a monster rifle too!
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it won't be that big once you cut the barrel down very nimble!
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I was referring to the power; serious business there. ;)
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Oh ya!
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Darryl,
For what it's worth....
I tried 7.9s and 8.8 CrowMagnums when I got my first M48, and they were a bit tooo fast. I also could tell a big difference in cycle kick compared to the other A/Gs I had.
I went to the JSB heavies and Box Premiers, and everything fell into place.
Again, You'll be happy with your A/G.
The spring in the 48/52 are plenty good enough to use heavies in .177. I have read on other forum that it's the same one used on the .22.
I can believe it based on the straightshooters website pellet review.
JSB Heavies or Crosman Premier Heavies is all I'll use for mine.
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Yep!
Once again I have to agree with KYMike
I have found that my 48 loves the heavies
I use H&N Barracuda's in 4.51 & 4.52 & is outstanding with them. I must also say though that it likes the H&N FTT in same head size, but I still use my stash of Barracudas as it really is a tack driver with them.
Forgot to add that I really wish there was a 9 or 9.5gr pellet shaped like the barracudas or Premiers as I think it would be best in this power plant
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they are way to heavy IMOP
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Tom, what's way too heavy?
Mike, and Bruiser, I may try the JSB Heavies. I have the Crosman_Ultramags, but the fit is very inconsistent, which surprises me. Some are very hard to insert while others fit nicely snug. Since I can't tell which is which I've stopped using them.
I'd like to find a a 9.5grn domed or hollow point pellet. I've found that the CPHPs @7.9grn seem to perform very well, with very good fit and accuracy, and near the lower limit of pellet weight per the opinion of Ryan at Umarex.
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for a Williams peep I bought for my 52. Got a sweet deal on one with the targeting knobs. FYI Airguns of Arizona has them for $69.95. That's the lowest price I've seen for this peep (FP-AG-TK) online. Highest I've seen is $90.00.
darryl
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Yeah Darryl
I really think that in the case of the Diana 48 power plant that a 9-9.5gr dome would be the best pellet for it. But I have not found anything in that weight range.
I find the 7.9 CP's too light they do work good but the shot cycle just does not feel right to me.
The 10.5gr or so pellets perform well but I just think that a 9-9.5gr is really going to be the sweet spot.
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i roll with rws super domes or jsb exacts...
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I'll look into those RWS super domes, bart.
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some of the Gamo pellets are around 9gr
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darryl: try to use the RWS supermags. Essentially a heavy weight meisterkulgen (9.3 gr wadcutters). In those powerhouses they do very well. I just got a 48 in .22 and mine is shooting cp HP 14.3 at 842 fps. That is a great hunter to me. I prefer to use this rifle for that purpose (and blowing up cans at 100 yards... ). in .177 i always thought that the rifle was not using its power efficiently. But then i shot a tuned 54 shooting .177 at 860 fps... talking about accuracy. It was grouping tighter than most pcp rifles i have tried. Try the heavy pellets, if it does not like them, then just have it detuned about 100 fps, and try a larger variety of pellets. i
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thanks for the tip LD621. 9.3grn may be the sweet spot. I'd like to try that weight in a domed pellet for ballistic efficiency, if I understand that concept correctly. Mark says Gamo has some 9grn pellets about. In either case, I'll read the reviews over on PA.
I like this thread. Look at all the info gathering here. You guys rock! ;D
darryl
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I think it's Beeman that makes a dome thats about 9g. Can't remember, other than they are a bit pricey.
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the gun is to heavy, darryl
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Tom,
I'll concede that magnums with underlever and side lever cocking mechanisms are generally heavier than their barrel-cocking counterparts; generally. The Tech Force Jet, a barrel cocker, comes in @9.8lbs. The RWS-54 and the Tech-Force 87 are the heaviest rifles I own @ 9lbs each. The 52 is only lighter by a few ounces. So if the issue is weight, no argument from me there. I often struggle with trying to find a comfortable standing position where I can balance a heavy rifle sufficiently to hold it on target. It's a good thing I've discovered the joy and challenge of shooting with open sights. (The added weight of scopes makes unsupported shooting an exercise in frustration and quick fatigue for me.) I haven't yet explored shooting from a kneeling position nor any other position just yet. Maybe I need a shooting harness to help distribute the weight of these Beasts. Maybe I just need to get the lard out and EXCERCISE! :o You know; do some weight-bearing stuff to improve my strength specific to holding these behemoths steady without a bench rest. Or, maybe just get a nice shooting stick. Yeah...that's the ticket! ;D
Does everyone here shoot their rifles from a bench rest?
darryl
Oh I'll add that shooting from a rest allows me to enjoy the accuracy of these rifles while using open sights (not quite as accurate as when suing a scope, obviously). When I shoot without a rest ti's guaranteed that my groups grow considerably. But shootin' is fun, and fun is healthy. ;)
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For a hunting stance if I'm gonna take a shot thats more than 60yds I use a sitting technique and support myself and rifle form my knees, this is why I don't shoot from a bench only a standing or sitting, when your out in the field your shooting my come in any forum and shooting from a bench will hurt you in your shooting cause your not learning to support your rifle and hold it to make shots other than what you learn from the bench JMHO.
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Darryl, I bought a bench rest and have yet to take it out of the box to use it. I like to shoot off-hand, and I do it with some heavy rifles. Sometimes standing, Sometimes sitting but upright, and in the laziest of moments, sitting and resting elbow to knee. I think that bench resting is really for absolutely testing accuracy in a gun... and I also have to say there aren't any of them right now that are disappointing me off-hand. I've done 5-shot groupd off hand into one hole on more occasions than I think I am allowed in one lifetime -- even if it was only 10 yards. I'm a little lucky sometimes.
Once I was playing golf, and on a hole where a friend of mine actually killed a goose by driving a ball that broke its neck, I was laughing so much I couldn't shoot straight. After a zig and zag down the fairway, I ended up about 80 yards from the hole, about 20 yards from a pond, and needed to shoot over the pond and up a hill to get on the green. I could just see the top of the flag. My standard joke is that gravity is stronger over water, because if it is there my ball is going in. The way I'd been shooting I had no chance... So I took out my putter, yelled "four" and swung REALLY HARD. The ball leap off the club, bounced off the water a few times like a skipped stone, and bounded up the hill. No one saw where it really went. We looked for a minute assuming it was over-shot into the weeds. Just as I was about to drop a ball, one of the guys who was up on the green finishing up said "I found it!" No one expected to find it in the hole. I wish there'd been a camera on that one.
Anyway, I get lucky a lot.
Certain guns I'll only shoot with the open sights. My Mendoza has the peep sight, my BS4 has the match sight, and there are a few I haven't bothered to scope. I try to mave each gun have a purpose and reason for selection... like a putter.
Richard
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Mark, I think now i have a reason to practice yoga!!! :D Getting down is the easy part. It used to be that getting up required careful forethought and planning, but thanks to titanium hips I'm good to go so I'll try shooting from a sitting position very soon.
Rich, I'd rather be lucky than good any day! ;D I have to agree about using a bench rest to test accuracy. It makes all the sense in the world, really. Once I know a rifle can do it, then it's on me to do it off-hand. That rally clarifies it for me, especially since I'm doing a lot of shooting with open sights now. I have five rifles, and there currently isn't a scope on any of them.
Austin, maybe we should try to get Crosman to produce domed pellets as you suggest, in the 9~9.5grn range. From a manufacturing stand point, the yield on a pound of lead would go further: 737 pellets @9.5grn versus 667 pellets @10.5grn. Put another way, that pound would yield 10% more pellets. For each tin of 500 pellets, @9.5grn, from that pound, there is enough lead left over (in simple terms) to produce a further 237 pellets. So how do we go about it: domed pellets @9~9.5grn? Maybe start a writing campaign to Crosman?
darryl
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I mostly shoot from a bag rest with my 52. Was using H&N Barracuda's with great groups. I thought 10.6 would be best for this magnum. One day open a tin of H&N FFT 8.65. Well :o :o :o :o I couldn't believe it. Stacking pellet on pellet. ;D
Dustin
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Dustin, that's a nice pellet weight. Glad you had success with the H&Ns.
I've gone ahead and dropped a letter to Crosman through it's website, expressing interest in a 9.5grn pellet in either domed or hollow-point, or both. I gave a rundown similar to what I posted here. I even asked if it might be interested in a writing campaign promoting the suggested weight so it could gauge public interest. Always let them tell you "No".
darryl
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didn't know that, austin. here's hoping Crosman takes interest. If I hear anything positive back from them maybe I'll post a poll to gauge interest here on the GTA. Crosman could then look it over. I know there are other pellet makers that offer a pellet in the 9+grain range, but Crosman's premier series is very popular; I have read more than a few rifle reviews that speak to that point. And the price of the Crosman pellets ain't bad either.
darryl
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Don't know if it's of any importance, but I received a reply from Crosman's Kim Yaddow, and a ticket number (52654). He/she simply states my email has been forwarded to the engineer.
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Hope U have better luck than I had with Crosman.
I to contacted Crosman, and received the same reply from Kim Yaddow as well.
That was over a month ago....haven't heard any more from them since.
I asked about something in the 9g size domed.
Perhaps More of you guys could contact Crosman with the same question?
"Squeaky wheels get the oil".
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My history with Crosman is a bit different. I once contacted customer service about a "new"trigger Crosman came out with for it's 2240 C02 pistol. Well, that trigger was supposed to be wider, and take out the lateral slack of the original. It did not take out any slack at all. I wrote and complained.Crosman sent me a free tin of my favorite pellets/500ct 14.3grain domes. Who knows what will become of this latest communication, Mike. But I like your idea. Do you think it would be appropriate to mount a writing campaign by posting in the Airgun Gate? I suppose I'd have to get a sense of what the interest is in a pellet weighing in at 9+grain. One way to find out.
darryl