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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Fartsimpson on January 24, 2023, 12:17:37 AM
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I'm buying a xs60c in .22 from flying dragon, I've read quite a bit about them an just thought why not for the price. I got the max tune just wondering a couple things, from reading co2 guns like heavier pellets would slugs work? If so would it have any big difference? And what would be the max hunting range for these they seem to be really accurate but obviously I'll put in the research time when I receive the gun but thought I ask some of you smarter than me people out there :D
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Michael I purchase one of the XS60C's 4 months ago when Flying dragon first got them back in stock for sale. I haven't really had much experience with it yet because here
where I live it was too cold outside for shooting a co2 gun and I figured I'd wait til warmer weather arrived. The gun in my opinion is by today's standards more heavy duty
than anything else in the same category, I still haven't put any shots over the chrony with it but I will soon hopefully. Our squirrel season isn't over until March 31st so most of
my shooting will be out on the state land that I hunt a lot.
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I got one same time Wayne did , crony matches Mikes claims and a bit more. Glad
I bought one. Very accurate with pellets, do not recall if i shot any slugs with it yet
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Call Mike, he can probably answer the slug question. Personally I would stay with pellets,
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Is this gun better than my Beemans ….78 SYN,2078 and 78 deeeeeeluxe……thanks
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I got one in .177 because he didn't have any in .22 at the time. It's very accurate, at 20 yds I'm shooting sparrows in the head no problem. ;)
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I have 2 of them .. the .177 shoots great ... the .22 is pure garbage !!! having any .22 pellet actually fall threw the barrel it is so over size :P
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Thanks dudes! Mine should be here tomorrow I believe so if a winter storm does delay it, I was just wondering about the slugs if anyone tried it. But Would 40 yards be a push for this gun would it have killing force for small game ie. Squirrel rabbit? From reading about it,up to 20 yards seems legit for game just wondering about how lethal it is at alittle bit more range I don't have a crony to test so..
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Max tune should be no issues pesting out to 40 yards.
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I have killed quite a few squirrels with my .22. These are Chinese airguns so you can get a dud. Most owners have found the guns to be very accurate though. Mine has the full power tune. It is about two years old and the only issue I have had so far is it wears out the chamber sealing Oring that goes under the piercing cap. Just order a half dozen from the Oring store and you'll be set.
Mine gets approximately 25 full power shots out of two cartridges at 90 degrees Farenheit. At 70 degrees it will get 15-20 full power shots. It will shoot 18gr Air Arms Diabolos very accurately to 40 yards. It is tuned to about 14.5 fpe with 16-18 grain pellets.
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Baseing off some youtube vids that have shots with cronyied fps. I used those numbers for a loose idea on chair gun, it only makes me more excited than I was to also hear others say it's lethal at 40 yards. Hopefully it's not a dud in the end :D nice murder noodle kill btw
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Good thing about FD air rifles, when you get Mikes tune you get his warranty also ;)
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Good choice...Mike knows his co2 rifles.
Was designed to be “better” than the QB’s; most buyers are quite happy with them. Can
not say that it is better than a slicked up QB, but out the bbox (no smoothing up) think the Xs 60c is more user ready.
In your case, winter temps are pretty cruel to co2. Chrono it in the warm.
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Ups kinda not worthy but I got it! At midday it hit 50 degrees where I'm at so I put some shots down range. Dumb accurate I'm sure it'll still improve with warm weather which I'll re-sight in but still I'm very happy with it, used the hawk app zeroed at 10 yards but was still basically on at 40 used cros-magnums and some gamo 21g cause that's what I've got and even with differences in weight both where grouping nicely 8)
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Sounds like you got a good one. For testing I can shoot mine at pretty close to full power on cold days by laying the gun on a heating pad between shots. Spread a towel over the gun if its really cold.
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What o-ring should i get for the future leak. It has to be a certain type right?
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For CO2, polyurethane is preferable. At least for the end cap because other materials will swell and interfere with the cap from being reinstalled when swapping cartridges.
The size for both the valve and end cap is -113.
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The design of these guns enables a person to not have to worry about keeping co2 in these guns for a very long time and Jason hit it on the money for using
a urethane o ring -113, that o ring that comes with them will last for a very long time if the gun is new. I've got some vintage Crosman airguns that I've kept c02
in them for a year easily. That gun is actually a similar design to the Crosman 160 and those were one heck of a design with many of them still in service that
are well over a half century old.
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CONGRATS!
I have had my FDAR XS60C in .22 from Mike for several years (8/17). I requested a mid-level tune with the gun focused more on accuracy than power.
It does come with a power adjuster in the form of hammer spring tension but I have had no need to touch it from where Mike set it originally.
It is jaw dropping accurate out to 35 yards with the JSB 15.89g or H&N 14.66g FTT's in the 5.53 head size... (Better than the 5.54 or 5.55 but not by much).
If the opportunity presented itself, I would not hesitate to take a head-shot on a Bunny at 40y.
Built like a tank... and VERY easy on the eyes. 8)
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This thread has inspired me to go out and shoot my FD-PCP .22 today.
It's one that Mike converted to HPA from the GEN I guns that were discontinued.
Still very accurate. Mine has a Stalwart massaged trigger group in it and an old school Betty Lou jail house coffee stain refinish on the stock.
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In my airgun sorting and tinkering of late I found a spare scope that will work nice on mt .22 XS60c, plan to mount that today and sight it in , then plink till empty, who knows may reload and do it again :)
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This thread has inspired me to go out and shoot my FD-PCP .22 today.
It's one that Mike converted to HPA from the GEN I guns that were discontinued.
Still very accurate. Mine has a Stalwart massaged trigger group in it and an old school Betty Lou jail house coffee stain refinish on the stock.
That sure sounds purdy! Can you post any pics? Last thing I need is another CO2 guzzler but these rifles strike my want factor.
James, sounds like a fun day, please post the results if you get a chance.
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This thread has inspired me to go out and shoot my FD-PCP .22 today.
It's one that Mike converted to HPA from the GEN I guns that were discontinued.
Still very accurate. Mine has a Stalwart massaged trigger group in it and an old school Betty Lou jail house coffee stain refinish on the stock.
That sure sounds purdy! Can you post any pics? Last thing I need is another CO2 guzzler but these rifles strike my want factor.
James, sounds like a fun day, please post the results if you get a chance.
Sure,,, and here is the 20 for 20 shot data. Not bad for a sub 2k fill gun with the BStaley oring mod.
Take those last five shots off and check out the bell.
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That is right up there with the performance of a shootable break barrel IMO
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That is right up there with the performance of a shootable break barrel IMO
And very hand pump friendly... if you so choose. A regulated tether is all day fun. Even with a small buddy bottle. Set that reg at around 1500 and have at it.
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Had some time before Betty Lou rings the breakfast bell so I took the FD-PCP out to the Red Shed. This thing hols air for ever.. I chose to top it off and it was very near my max fill of 1900 psi before I even started. Some time back I picked up a couple tins of pellets that randomly showed up at a second hand joint for $1 a tin. One is a near full tin of H&N 21.14gr Baracuda with the older silver label.
For ha has I loaded one up and shot at my 35 yd black painted steel blank. I saw the hole and it appeared to be exactly where I aimed. To be sure I loaded another. This time I didn't see where it hit so I loaded another... this time the original hole got slightly bigger.... apparently all three shots went into the same hole... ;D
Hear is the thing.... this gun in this set up is NOT backyard friendly for those of you that need that. I am not one of those. I like guns that go BANG !! I also do NOT like soup can looking devices hanging on the end of my guns. The FD-PCP is a light weight, easy to wield, critter gitter. Easy to fill, not pellet picky, easy on the eyes and accurate as heck..... what's not to like?
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Had some time before Betty Lou rings the breakfast bell so I took the FD-PCP out to the Red Shed. This thing hols air for ever.. I chose to top it off and it was very near my max fill of 1900 psi before I even started. Some time back I picked up a couple tins of pellets that randomly showed up at a second hand joint for $1 a tin. One is a near full tin of H&N 21.14gr Baracuda with the older silver label.
For ha has I loaded one up and shot at my 35 yd black painted steel blank. I saw the hole and it appeared to be exactly where I aimed. To be sure I loaded another. This time I didn't see where it hit so I loaded another... this time the original hole got slightly bigger.... apparently all three shots went into the same hole... ;D
Hear is the thing.... this gun in this set up is NOT backyard friendly for those of you that need that. I am not one of those. I like guns that go BANG !! I also do NOT like soup can looking devices hanging on the end of my guns. The FD-PCP is a light weight, easy to wield, critter gitter. Easy to fill, not pellet picky, easy on the eyes and accurate as heck..... what's not to like?
I regret never picking one of these up when my hord was much smaller. Now there is little room/reason to add another gun of this type.
Seems like a very rewarding gun.
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Mike... keep in mind... mine is the Gen 1 that was converted to HPA and not the current C02 offering.
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Set some army men out at 35 yds. Let's just say I easily won that war. ;D
Not even enough left to send home to the families.
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In my airgun sorting and tinkering of late I found a spare scope that will work nice on mt .22 XS60c, plan to mount that today and sight it in , then plink till empty, who knows may reload and do it again :)
Sounds like a plan! ;)
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I got couple of the oring suggested just in case, it's been rolling around 50 degrees so been playing around with the xs60c. Tomorrow it'll be in the 60s so it'll be a good to do some real shooting, I'll take a walk look for some squirrels
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In my airgun sorting and tinkering of late I found a spare scope that will work nice on mt .22 XS60c, plan to mount that today and sight it in , then plink till empty, who knows may reload and do it again :)
Sounds like a plan! ;)
Half the plan accomplished, brunch and snow blowing took its toll on the time, but did get one of them nice BR compact scope set up ready to dial in :)
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Nice, I was reading somewhere on here about modifying a muzzleloader primer holder for loading alittle quicker on the xs60c, has anyone messed with the idea? Or does anyone got tips on loading faster cause depending on the pellet it can be difficult
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Nice, I was reading somewhere on here about modifying a muzzleloader primer holder for loading alittle quicker on the xs60c, has anyone messed with the idea? Or does anyone got tips on loading faster cause depending on the pellet it can be difficult
A .22 cal Air Venturi pellet pen will work if you learn the proper technique. Open the bolt and hold it open with one hand as you tilt the gun muzzle down. Angle the tip of the pellet pen under your scope (I assume you use one) and you can get the tip lined up close to the breech. Even longer pellets will drop in to the breech if the barrel is angled downward. I don't care for pellet pens as some softer pellets will distort under loading pressure but they do have their uses.
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This thread has inspired me to go out and shoot my FD-PCP .22 today.
It's one that Mike converted to HPA from the GEN I guns that were discontinued.
Still very accurate. Mine has a Stalwart massaged trigger group in it and an old school Betty Lou jail house coffee stain refinish on the stock.
That sure sounds purdy! Can you post any pics? Last thing I need is another CO2 guzzler but these rifles strike my want factor.
James, sounds like a fun day, please post the results if you get a chance.
Sure,,, and here is the 20 for 20 shot data. Not bad for a sub 2k fill gun with the BStaley oring mod.
Take those last five shots off and check out the bell.
That's just sexy right there! Nice job on the wood work, it's giving me completely unnecessary wants...
Can the current gen Xs60c be converted to PCP? Any suggested reads/info on performing such a task?
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Temps got up into the mid seventies here in sunny Flarda. I put two fresh cartridges in the gun and counted 36 pellets out. The pellets were 17.6gr Norma GTFT Heavies. They shoot extremely accurately in this gun and produce over 15 fpe at full power. I shot 28 pellets before the point of impact started to drop. The PCP version might have an advantage when its cold but that's just a few weeks each year around here.
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That's just sexy right there! Nice job on the wood work, it's giving me completely unnecessary wants...
Can the current gen Xs60c be converted to PCP? Any suggested reads/info on performing such a task?
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Possibly archer has an adapter, some have said modify the existing one, but I find there is not enough metal to do so safely, and most likely just ruin the CO2 cap.
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That's just sexy right there! Nice job on the wood work, it's giving me completely unnecessary wants...
Can the current gen Xs60c be converted to PCP? Any suggested reads/info on performing such a task?
Possibly archer has an adapter, some have said modify the existing one, but I find there is not enough metal to do so safely, and most likely just ruin the CO2 cap.
[/quote]Stalwart Arms still advertises a range of XS60C PCP mods including calibers up to 9mm. I know nothing about them however.
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:o I did not know he is back into the custom buisness, he does good work. https://www.stalwartarms.com/ (https://www.stalwartarms.com/)
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James this looks like it would work from Andy's website to do the same as what Mike use to do with them I did send him an email asking about it.
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I was shooting some 28.5 gr Seneca hunters with the FD-PCP.
Wow... what an accurate SMACK on the targets !!
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-22-cal-28-5-grains-domed-125ct?p=1468 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/seneca-22-cal-28-5-grains-domed-125ct?p=1468)
I may need to get the chrono out today and see where this gun is compared to where it was when I first got it.
Maybe an updated thread is in order.
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Ok you enablers, my Hatsan 25 Supercharger recently died and I have been looking for a replacement yard gun. Been a long time since I owned an FD-PCP, but have some fond memories of those rifles. Time to reach out to Mike and pick up an XS60c CO2 version in .177 to keep the bird feeder raiders at bay.
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Steve... talk to Mike and see if there are any options, such as HPA conversions, to be had. I do know that he has power tune options on the C02 versions.
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Bill, don't think I want to explore HPA conversion with this one. I have CO2 laying around for use with my arrow shooter (which I also have a 13ci tank for).
I did order the power tune and after remembering that I have thousands of 14.3 pellets, decided to go with .22 cal instead of .177.
Many years ago I did own both a GEN1 and GEN2 XS60C-PCP so I know that HPA conversion is possible with these rifles. Not sure if Mike still offers that conversion these days, but I will give him a call and report back when I chat with him.
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Just FYI, this is a picture of the PCP version of this rifle I use to own.
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Cool Steve.... carry on.. ;D
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I put a scope on my.22 last weekend, only took 3 shots to get it drilling a small single hole 🕳️. Then plinking targets were taken out at will.
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Hey Bill, this is Mike's response when I asked him about converting the XS60C to HPA: "Have everything I need but for the bulk fill caps can't find any....Mike"
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Placed my order for the XS60C at about 9:30 this morning, received an email confirmation from Mike by 9:45, advising me to look out for a UPS shipping notification soon, and received the shipping notification from UPS about 12:15 saying the rifle will
be in my hands on Friday. Now that is great customer service, Mike is, and always has been a totally stand up guy.
Now that you enablers helped me find my next yard gun to replace my Hatsan Supercharger, I can put away my big bore, semi-automatic squirrel deterrent. It shoots a 68 cal projectile at just over 400 fps as fast as I can pull the trigger, with a PNTY green laser designator easily visible in bright sunshine at 20 yards. The tree rats run for the hills when the paint starts flying.. ;D
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Hey Bill, this is Mike's response when I asked him about converting the XS60C to HPA: "Have everything I need but for the bulk fill caps can't find any....Mike"
Good deal... glad he's still looking. I haven't talked to him in a while... maybe I'll give him a call.
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The Brown truck finally made it just about dark yesterday with my XS60C. Just plain disremembered how sweet these little guns can be! I took the front and rear sights off mine and mounted one of my Sig Romeo5 2MOA red dots, did a nice Ballistol scrub of metal and wood, and she looks mighty keen. The rifle arrived with CO2 installed and ready to shoot, but it was already dark (and cold, 26 degrees) so had to wait until today to put a few across the chrony. The note in the box said RWS Hobby shot at 768 fps, JSB 13 gn at 741 fps, and H&N 15 gn at 697 fps, all at 68 degrees. (Full power tune, .22 cal)
This morning I put 2 fresh CO2 carts in the XS60C and warmed them just a bit with a small portable hair dryer. Outside temperature was 40 degrees with a stiff north breeze so only shot a few across the chrony. Second shot was 759 fps using Crosman Premier 14.3 domed pellets. Strelok Pro says that is a bit over 18 fpe, not bad at all for CO2 in imperfect conditions. Hopefully later today it will warm up just a bit more and I can try to get the rifle zeroed with the Sig. I did notice that at 18fpe the XS60C has a bit of a bark, may have to do something about that down the road.
Only found one issue with the rifle so far, the safety will not engage at all. Not sure if that is because of something Mike did in the tune or if it just left his place un-noticed, but not a show stopper for me either way. I will reach out to him next week and see if anything can be done.
Overall quite happy with the rifle so far, never owned a CO2 gun before this one... ;D
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The Brown truck finally made it just about dark yesterday with my XS60C. Just plain disremembered how sweet these little guns can be! I took the front and rear sights off mine and mounted one of my Sig Romeo5 2MOA red dots, did a nice Ballistol scrub of metal and wood, and she looks mighty keen. The rifle arrived with CO2 installed and ready to shoot, but it was already dark (and cold, 26 degrees) so had to wait until today to put a few across the chrony. The note in the box said RWS Hobby shot at 768 fps, JSB 13 gn at 741 fps, and H&N 15 gn at 697 fps, all at 68 degrees. (Full power tune, .22 cal)
This morning I put 2 fresh CO2 carts in the XS60C and warmed them just a bit with a small portable hair dryer. Outside temperature was 40 degrees with a stiff north breeze so only shot a few across the chrony. Second shot was 759 fps using Crosman Premier 14.3 domed pellets. Strelok Pro says that is a bit over 18 fpe, not bad at all for CO2 in imperfect conditions. Hopefully later today it will warm up just a bit more and I can try to get the rifle zeroed with the Sig. I did notice that at 18fpe the XS60C has a bit of a bark, may have to do something about that down the road.
Only found one issue with the rifle so far, the safety will not engage at all. Not sure if that is because of something Mike did in the tune or if it just left his place un-noticed, but not a show stopper for me either way. I will reach out to him next week and see if anything can be done.
Overall quite happy with the rifle so far, never owned a CO2 gun before this one... ;D
Nice Steve! Having a hard time telling myself no, the last thing I need is yet another CO2 gun to feed but these are darn good looking guns.
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Rick I was suprised at how nice these guns look and seeing one in hand the pics I saw here on the net didn't do it justice. They're built to last I'd say 8)
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Wayne, any idea who makes a moderator or adaptor that will fit the 14.5mm barrel of the XS60C? Didn't look like Donny FL makes a 14.5 version?
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As far as the safety, the gun must be cocked to engage the safety, I just thought I would mention that, as I was shooting my Wing Shot today and that requires the safety to be off in order to cock the hammer.
The XS 60 can be used in cold weather just keep it handy by the back door where it is warm enough to still give you a few shots when necessary. 8)
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Wayne, any idea who makes a moderator or adaptor that will fit the 14.5mm barrel of the XS60C? Didn't look like Donny FL makes a 14.5 version?
I'm sure that Rocker1 has made more than one of them in the past, these guns have been around since 2010
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Unfortunately James, the safety on mine cannot be put in safe mode even when the rifle is cocked. It seems something is blocking it in the trigger group... As for cold weather, I did check how mine was shooting after shot 17 in high 40 degree weather today and it was still slinging 14.3 Crosmans at a little over 700 fps... right on!!
Thanks Wayne, I will reach out to Rocker1.
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Had some pretty nice weather today for North GA in FEB...High of 67 degrees this afternoon, so off to the woods with the XS60C. About 50 degrees starting out 11:00am this morning and warming up steady in bright sunlight all day. Fresh CO2 in the rifle so hoping the squirrels were out and about enjoying the weather.
I bought the XS60C to be a yard gun, but I think I underestimated it's potential as a small game hunter in the woods. Walking along a creek I couldn't help but take a few shots to see what I could expect from the rifle. It was slinging Crosman Premier Dome 14.3 gn pellets with authority, hitting everything I was shooting at up to 30 yards and a bit beyond. I am quite sure now that a tree rat would meet his maker within that range if it paraded in front of me.
Oddly, the woods remained pretty silent today with nothing moving other than the occational buzzard flying by looking tor a meal. I continued shooting targets until the CO2 began to fade and the POI began getting erratic, which meant time to change to new CO2 carts. At this temperture range about 12-15 good shots and then POI shifts started. Once new carts were installed, back to shooting dead on with authority, especially since the temperature had now made it to mid 60's.
At 5.4 lbs with Sig Romeo5 optic and 39.5 inches long, the XS60C was a joy to carry in the woods and performed beyond my expectations. I did own the PCP version of this rifle many years ago, but have never owned a CO2 rifle so wasn't sure what to expect. With the full power tune that mine has it is a worthy hunter for small game, and an easy tote in the field. (A couple of extra CO2 carts and you are good to go for a nice all day small game hunt) No, it can't do what my Airforce Escape UL can do, but it is great fun for what it is!!!
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IMO best CO2 rifle out there, sounds like yours is treating you well also. I just remembered I probably have a few shots left in mine after sighting in a scope last week.
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Had a nice chat with Mike at Flying Dragon about the safety not working on my XS60C and it is a pretty easy fix wiich I will do during the next 5 day rain event which starts tonight. During out chat, Mike mentioned that he would be selling the JTS pellets in bulk, expecting to have them in stock later this week. He said the website would be updated shortly... :D
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Went ahead and fixed the safety issue with my XS60C and while in there adjusted the trigger pull a bit lighter. Now I have to solve another issue... out of CO2. Off to Wally World to fix that problem.
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Just was in the basement range took the Hatsan 95 off the rest, and confirmed zero on my XS60, Still has it :)
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How did you fix the safety cause mine has the same thing cocked not cocked doesn't work
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Hi Michael, the XS60C is virtually the same rifle as the original Umarex Fusion. There is a bit more information online about the fusion with pictures and user manuals that can apply to the XS60C. This picture shows the internals of the trigger group, including the safety, which is a pretty siimple design. When you take the trigger group out of the gun and take the cover off to expose the workings you will see the safety has a rear tab that slides under the trigger tab to prevent the trigger from being pulled. In my case, the trigger itself was adjusted such that when you tried to push the safety forward to the safe position the safety tab was catching on the trigger tab which prevented it from moving forward to the safe position. Mike at Flying Dragon suggested just filing the rear safety tab down just enough to allow it to slip under the trigger tab, which I did, and now it works fine. Mike also suggested if adjusting the trigger pull to only back the screw out about 1/4 turn.
One bit of caution, Mike warned me not to cock the rifle without the trigger group re-installed because a particular bolt will drop out of place and the rifle will have to be completly disassembled to fix.
Here are some links to information that may be useful for the XS60C:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/more-detail-on-the-umarex-fusion-breakdown-and-com-t444303.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/yellow/more-detail-on-the-umarex-fusion-breakdown-and-com-t444303.html)
https://www.umarexusa.com/UMAREX/Product%20Manuals/Manual%20Umarex%20Fusion%202251306%2005R13.pdf (https://www.umarexusa.com/UMAREX/Product%20Manuals/Manual%20Umarex%20Fusion%202251306%2005R13.pdf)
https://www.@#$%^.com/Tube-Cap-for-Umarex-Fusion-and-Xisico-XS60C-p/fusionxs60ctubecap.htm (https://www.@#$%^.com/Tube-Cap-for-Umarex-Fusion-and-Xisico-XS60C-p/fusionxs60ctubecap.htm)
Hope this helps... Steve (BTW Mike is always happy to assist with issues and is a great guy to talk with, feel free to give him a call, he usually answers the phone)
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Steve that's some great info you replied with that last post, definitely things I'm not aware of that Mike warned against. It won't be long and I'll be able to get out with mine, I've now doubt
it's going to be a great gun, I'd like to eventually set it up like Avator's is for cold weather shooting.
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Ya'll are lucky....
The auto reset on the safety always messes with me.
::) ;)
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Steve that's some great info you replied with that last post, definitely things I'm not aware of that Mike warned against. It won't be long and I'll be able to get out with mine, I've now doubt
it's going to be a great gun, I'd like to eventually set it up like Avator's is for cold weather shooting.
Wayne, I'm not sure if Mike is willing to share any of the specs on what he did with the FD-PCP but it may be worth a phone call.
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Ask him to make more of these!
An XS60-C tethered to a paint ball bottle with a standard 850psi reg is a wonderful thing on cooler temps. 8)
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Ask him to make more of these!
An XS60-C tethered to a paint ball bottle with a standard 850psi reg is a wonderful thing on cooler temps. 8)
That also can support bulk fill CO2 ??? Me want :) The A-guy might have them, or I am way off , but not sure what version, as I understand there might be 2 ???
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Scott, my XS60C does not have an automatic safety, it is completely manual.
Yep, I too would love to be able to tether to a 13ci tank, but unfortunately Mike said he cannot find the bulk fill caps anymore. (I don't think he made them before?) The A-guy has a tube cap, but it doesn't allow fills, just works with the powerlets. Not sure if one of the QB versions will fit the XS60C tube...
Wayne, Mike did mention to me that he had set up an XS60C for someone to shoot in cold weather. He laughed a bit and said it probably wouldn't work in warm weather but does well in cold...hehe.
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I know Mike didn't make the fill adapters for the FD-PCP because I remember once back in the FD-PCP days he said he had run out and had to get some more.
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Has anyone tried Stalwart Arms?
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Has anyone tried Stalwart Arms?
Wayne was going to give them a shout and see if they were still in business IIR ???
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Do you just need dimensions for the fill cap? I have one of the pcp versions.
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Have no clue if this will fit the XS60C, but worth a look: https://www.trrobb.com/product/smk-qbxs-78-bulk-fill-adaptor-for-co2-or-even-air (https://www.trrobb.com/product/smk-qbxs-78-bulk-fill-adaptor-for-co2-or-even-air)
Stalwart Arms looks interesting, I may reach out to them next week to see what the possibilities are... ;D
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I have the QB 78 and 1085, threading is different.
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Thanks James... too bad the threads are different :'(
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I was out in the Red Shed moving guns back to the house that have collected in the shed safe. I ran across the FD-PCP and laid it on the bench. After moving the guns in a sat down with some Crosman Heavy Domes 19gr. Not sure how much air was in it because there is no gauge. I only fill it to 1900 max* so it had to be that or less. This gun is still a hammer. And it's bark sounds like it too.. ;) I've never been interested in silencing this gun and have no plans to in the future... I like it.
It's also right up there in accuracy at 35 to 45 yds with ANY of my other guns. If I was a hunter, this would be one of my goto small game guns.
* I fill mine to 1900 and have for several years. The recommended max fill on these 1500 - 1600 when Mike put them out. Use your's at your own risk. I do know that there were some issues with inconsistent tread sizing back in the day but I have checked mine several times over the years and the threads remain well within the tolerance. Please refer to the old FD-PCP GTA threads for more information.
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I am impressed with how many folks still have their FDPCP. Mine was sold many years ago, but like most guns I sold, wish I hadn't. The CO2 version is still a hoot, and while I would stick to 30-35 yards (especially in cooler weather) it will absolutely get the job done on small game and pest birds, and the accuracy is there too.
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I had 3 of them with .177 and .22 barrels and bolts for each. I only have one in .22 left. I sold or traded the rest. I'm glad I hung on to this one. It's got the Stalwart's massaged trigger group in it. These were my very first guns on the path to PCP. I would make the 16 mile round trip to the paintball field to get the 100cf aluminum scuba tank filled to 3300 psi about every two weeks.
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Like you Bill, the FDPCP was my first PCP and I learned a lot with that air rifle, especially that the Darkside will not so good all your money up if not careful... :D It's amazing what you can get today for the price we paid for the FDPCP back then!!
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That FD-PCP had quite the following. I think Mike only had 400 of them to sell. Folks were buying them 2 and 3 at a time.
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I see shouldn't be a big problem to fix especially with the picture. I haven't mess with the trigger it's probably the best I've pulled on a non powder burner definitely leaving it alone barely any creep an less than 1 pound of pull with a crisp break making its very accurate i was getting groups under a dime at 40 yards with crosman mags thats while it was in the high 40°. I wish i had a crony but itll go thru both sides of a bean can at that range and my ragtag spinners made of spoons have to be replaced, but once spring rolls around its going to be my go to small game gun for sure. Today it's raining and cold so I might fix the safety but thanks dude ;)
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You bet Michael, good luck with the safety, happy to help. The trigger on mine was not too bad either, but since I already had everything apart just thought I would lower the trigger weight just a bit. Assuming your gun is doing similar to mine, Crosman 14.3 gn pellets are shooting between 720 and 750 fps for the first 12-15 shots with a couple fresh CO2 carts, depending on temp. (mine has a full power tune from Mike)
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I did not get a full power tune on mine (wish I would have) but since then I have turned the power up on my own (it's been awhile since I did it it's a .177) and I did gain more power but now when I reload my co2 cartridges I have to first cock the gun or it starts leaking air as I tighten down the knob on the co2.
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Have no clue if this will fit the XS60C, but worth a look: https://www.trrobb.com/product/smk-qbxs-78-bulk-fill-adaptor-for-co2-or-even-air (https://www.trrobb.com/product/smk-qbxs-78-bulk-fill-adaptor-for-co2-or-even-air)
Stalwart Arms looks interesting, I may reach out to them next week to see what the possibilities are... ;D
Stalwart does indeed look interesting Steve, please let us know what you find out.
I've learned these were made for CO2 cartridges with longer necks (Umarex?) and placing a dime between the cartridges is necessary if using others. Most of my CO2 is Crosman, anybody have any issue using the Crosman cartrdiges in these XS60c's?
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At first I was having a problem with it leaking out the barrel, but I think it was just user error. It works fine now an I'm using crosman/daisy carts the cheap stuff but maybe I'll try the dime an see tho
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I am using Crosman carts as well. It took me a couple of tries to figure out where to set the degass pin, three turns out was not enough, required 31/2 turns out. With that setting, it seems to be puncturing both carts and holding air so far. I did order one of the end caps from the A-guy that does not have a degass pin and plan to try it out. Thanks for the heads up about using a dime between the carts.
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I have heard of the dime trick but have never had to use it on mine with Crosman carts.
... and those are strictly what I use.
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I've used Crosman and Umarex carts. The Umarex carts needed a dime between them with the stock degassing cap. My gun came with the plain aftermarket cap as well. No issues after I installed it and that's all I use now.
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Got my aftermarket cap yesterday and it works fine with Crosman carts, which is probably all I will use as well. Today I plan to test how many shots and at what velocity I will get if I use one new cart and one depleted cart in the rifle.
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Got my aftermarket cap yesterday and it works fine with Crosman carts, which is probably all I will use as well. Today I plan to test how many shots and at what velocity I will get if I use one new cart and one depleted cart in the rifle.
That sounds interesting, please let us know how that goes.
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Unfortunately, my XS60c does not like CP Domes nearly as well as the JSB 15.89 pellets. Going to try CPHPs next as I have several tins of those as well. Has anyone tried any of the Apolo .22 cal pellets in the XS60c?
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What fps are you guys getting with cros 14.3 and the jsb 15.8 out of interest
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With fresh CO2 and temps in the high 60's I am getting in the 755-760 fps with Crosman 14.3 domes. Have not run the JSB 15.89 across the chrony yet, but will do that if the sun ever comes back out in North GA... :o
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Ya'll are lucky....
The auto reset on the safety always messes with me.
::) ;)
Well Scott my AEA assassin's safety is backwards compared to most other guns, that really messes with me!
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What fps are you guys getting with cros 14.3 and the jsb 15.8 out of interest
Made me check today...
JSB 15.89 on a "Mikes"mid tune.
70 degrees ambient temp.
#1 600
#2 607
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#15 600
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#17 607
#smoke break :P
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High 612
Low 600
Avg 605.83
Stnd Dev 3.51
Ext Sprd 12
Usable shots on 2 carts... 24
FPE 12.92
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Mine has a full power tune so my fps should be a little higher with a lower shot count.
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Full power tunes run about 16 shots 700 fps + ;)
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Mine with full power tune pushes a 21.14 grain Barracuda to 703fps.
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I might check the port size on mine and maybe port it out to 80% of .220 and back off the hammer some. Mine came with a full power tune but I don't think Mike ports them when
he tunes for power, I think the only thing that he does is tighten up the hammer spring. Maybe that will be the next thing on my tinker list before the warm weather is here.
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Mine really likes the Apolo 16 gn pellets. BUT, in order to be accurate the Apolo 16 gn pellets have to be cleaned of lead flakes. In a tin of 250 pellets, none of the pellets were deformed or had bad skirts, but almost all of them had lead flakes in the skirt that had to be removed for best accuracy. Very accurate once the flakes are taken care of.
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Mine really likes the Apolo 16 gn pellets. BUT, in order to be accurate the Apolo 16 gn pellets have to be cleaned of lead flakes. In a tin of 250 pellets, none of the pellets were deformed or had bad skirts, but almost all of them had lead flakes in the skirt that had to be removed for best accuracy. Very accurate once the flakes are taken care of.
Mine likes just about anything I care to stuff into it. It even shoots the 17gr Ruger pointed pellets well. Up until just recently the 18gr AA Diabolos were best but I just tried some 17.6gr Norma GTFT in it and now they are my go to pellet for this gun.
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Has anyone put a silencer on a xs60c? Mines got a full tune an its got a decent bark. An good to know fps on the 21gr thanks
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I put a TKO silencer on my xs60c based on mikes recommendation. It is a slip on model held by 2 grub screw. Very sturdy and fits very tight. Makes it very quiet during shooting.
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Ooo, didn't know tko had one just for it. Not bad I'll have to get thanks 8)
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I have a custom made impliment on the front end of mine, added to the length (6 inch) but very quiet for yard work.
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Yeah, I have one on mine too (.177) I can't remember if it was a tko or a geo but it made a loud gun very back yard friendly.